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Chomsky writes: "American power is diminishing, as it has been in fact since its peak in 1945, but it's still incomparable. And it's dangerous. Obama's remarkable global terror campaign and the limited, pathetic reaction to it in the West is one shocking example."

Professor Noam Chomsky. (photo: MIT)
Professor Noam Chomsky. (photo: MIT)


A Roadmap to a Just World

By Noam Chomsky, Reader Supported News

17 August 13

 

'd like to comment on topics that I think should regularly be on the front pages but are not - and in many crucial cases are scarcely mentioned at all or are presented in ways that seem to me deceptive because they're framed almost reflexively in terms of doctrines of the powerful.

In these comments I'll focus primarily on the United States for several reasons: One, it's the most important country in terms of its power and influence. Second, it's the most advanced - not in its inherent character, but in the sense that because of its power, other societies tend to move in that direction. The third reason is just that I know it better. But I think what I say generalizes much more widely - at least to my knowledge, obviously there are some variations. So I'll be concerned then with tendencies in American society and what they portend for the world, given American power.

American power is diminishing, as it has been in fact since its peak in 1945, but it's still incomparable. And it's dangerous. Obama's remarkable global terror campaign and the limited, pathetic reaction to it in the West is one shocking example. And it is a campaign of international terrorism - by far the most extreme in the world. Those who harbor any doubts on that should read the report issued by Stanford University and New York University, and actually I'll return to even more serious examples than international terrorism.

According to received doctrine, we live in capitalist democracies, which are the best possible system, despite some flaws. There's been an interesting debate over the years about the relation between capitalism and democracy, for example, are they even compatible? I won't be pursuing this because I'd like to discuss a different system - what we could call the "really existing capitalist democracy", RECD for short, pronounced "wrecked" by accident. To begin with, how does RECD compare with democracy? Well that depends on what we mean by "democracy". There are several versions of this. One, there is a kind of received version. It's soaring rhetoric of the Obama variety, patriotic speeches, what children are taught in school, and so on. In the U.S. version, it's government "of, by and for the people". And it's quite easy to compare that with RECD.

In the United States, one of the main topics of academic political science is the study of attitudes and policy and their correlation. The study of attitudes is reasonably easy in the United States: heavily-polled society, pretty serious and accurate polls, and policy you can see, and you can compare them. And the results are interesting. In the work that's essentially the gold standard in the field, it's concluded that for roughly 70% of the population - the lower 70% on the wealth/income scale - they have no influence on policy whatsoever. They're effectively disenfranchised. As you move up the wealth/income ladder, you get a little bit more influence on policy. When you get to the top, which is maybe a tenth of one percent, people essentially get what they want, i.e. they determine the policy. So the proper term for that is not democracy; it's plutocracy.

Inquiries of this kind turn out to be dangerous stuff because they can tell people too much about the nature of the society in which they live. So fortunately, Congress has banned funding for them, so we won't have to worry about them in the future.

These characteristics of RECD show up all the time. So the major domestic issue in the United States for the public is jobs. Polls show that very clearly. For the very wealthy and the financial institutions, the major issue is the deficit. Well, what about policy? There's now a sequester in the United States, a sharp cutback in funds. Is that because of jobs or is it because of the deficit? Well, the deficit.

Europe, incidentally, is much worse - so outlandish that even The Wall Street Journal has been appalled by the disappearance of democracy in Europe. A couple of weeks ago it had an article which concluded that "the French, the Spanish, the Irish, the Dutch, Portuguese, Greeks, Slovenians, Slovakians and Cypriots have to varying degrees voted against the currency bloc's economic model since the crisis began three years ago. Yet economic policies have changed little in response to one electoral defeat after another. The left has replaced the right; the right has ousted the left. Even the center-right trounced Communists (in Cyprus) - but the economic policies have essentially remained the same: governments will continue to cut spending and raise taxes." It doesn't matter what people think and "national governments must follow macro-economic directives set by the European Commission". Elections are close to meaningless, very much as in Third World countries that are ruled by the international financial institutions. That's what Europe has chosen to become. It doesn't have to.

Returning to the United States, where the situation is not quite that bad, there's the same disparity between public opinion and policy on a very wide range of issues. Take for example the issue of minimum wage. The one view is that the minimum wage ought to be indexed to the cost of living and high enough to prevent falling below the poverty line. Eighty percent of the public support that and forty percent of the wealthy. What's the minimum wage? Going down, way below these levels. It's the same with laws that facilitate union activity: strongly supported by the public; opposed by the very wealthy - disappearing. The same is true on national healthcare. The U.S., as you may know, has a health system which is an international scandal, it has twice the per capita costs of other OECD countries and relatively poor outcomes. The only privatized, pretty much unregulated system. The public doesn't like it. They've been calling for national healthcare, public options, for years, but the financial institutions think it's fine, so it stays: stasis. In fact, if the United States had a healthcare system like comparable countries there wouldn't be any deficit. The famous deficit would be erased, which doesn't matter that much anyway.

One of the most interesting cases has to do with taxes. For 35 years there have been polls on 'what do you think taxes ought to be?' Large majorities have held that the corporations and the wealthy should pay higher taxes. They've steadily been going down through this period.

On and on, the policy throughout is almost the opposite of public opinion, which is a typical property of RECD.

In the past, the United States has sometimes, kind of sardonically, been described as a one-party state: the business party with two factions called Democrats and Republicans. That's no longer true. It's still a one-party state, the business party. But it only has one faction. The faction is moderate Republicans, who are now called Democrats. There are virtually no moderate Republicans in what's called the Republican Party and virtually no liberal Democrats in what's called the Democratic [sic] Party. It's basically a party of what would be moderate Republicans and similarly, Richard Nixon would be way at the left of the political spectrum today. Eisenhower would be in outer space.

There is still something called the Republican Party, but it long ago abandoned any pretence of being a normal parliamentary party. It's in lock-step service to the very rich and the corporate sector and has a catechism that everyone has to chant in unison, kind of like the old Communist Party. The distinguished conservative commentator, one of the most respected - Norman Ornstein - describes today's Republican Party as, in his words, "a radical insurgency - ideologically extreme, scornful of facts and compromise, dismissive of its political opposition" - a serious danger to the society, as he points out.

In short, Really Existing Capitalist Democracy is very remote from the soaring rhetoric about democracy. But there is another version of democracy. Actually it's the standard doctrine of progressive, contemporary democratic theory. So I'll give some illustrative quotes from leading figures - incidentally not figures on the right. These are all good Woodrow Wilson-FDR-Kennedy liberals, mainstream ones in fact. So according to this version of democracy, "the public are ignorant and meddlesome outsiders. They have to be put in their place. Decisions must be in the hands of an intelligent minority of responsible men, who have to be protected from the trampling and roar of the bewildered herd". The herd has a function, as it's called. They're supposed to lend their weight every few years, to a choice among the responsible men. But apart from that, their function is to be "spectators, not participants in action" - and it's for their own good. Because as the founder of liberal political science pointed out, we should not succumb to "democratic dogmatisms about people being the best judges of their own interest". They're not. We're the best judges, so it would be irresponsible to let them make choices just as it would be irresponsible to let a three-year-old run into the street. Attitudes and opinions therefore have to be controlled for the benefit of those you are controlling. It's necessary to "regiment their minds". It's necessary also to discipline the institutions responsible for the "indoctrination of the young." All quotes, incidentally. And if we can do this, we might be able to get back to the good old days when "Truman had been able to govern the country with the cooperation of a relatively small number of Wall Street lawyers and bankers." This is all from icons of the liberal establishment, the leading progressive democratic theorists. Some of you may recognize some of the quotes.

The roots of these attitudes go back quite far. They go back to the first stirrings of modern democracy. The first were in England in the 17th Century. As you know, later in the United States. And they persist in fundamental ways. The first democratic revolution was England in the 1640s. There was a civil war between king and parliament. But the gentry, the people who called themselves "the men of best quality", were appalled by the rising popular forces that were beginning to appear on the public arena. They didn't want to support either king or parliament. Quote their pamphlets, they didn't want to be ruled by "knights and gentlemen, who do but oppress us, but we want to be governed by countrymen like ourselves, who know the people's sores". That's a pretty terrifying sight. Now the rabble has been a pretty terrifying sight ever since. Actually it was long before. It remained so a century after the British democratic revolution. The founders of the American republic had pretty much the same view about the rabble. So they determined that "power must be in the hands of the wealth of the nation, the more responsible set of men. Those who have sympathy for property owners and their rights", and of course for slave owners at the time. In general, men who understand that a fundamental task of government is "to protect the minority of the opulent from the majority". Those are quotes from James Madison, the main framer - this was in the Constitutional Convention, which is much more revealing than the Federalist Papers which people read. The Federalist Papers were basically a propaganda effort to try to get the public to go along with the system. But the debates in the Constitutional Convention are much more revealing. And in fact the constitutional system was created on that basis. I don't have time to go through it, but it basically adhered to the principle which was enunciated simply by John Jay, the president of the � Continental Congress, then first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and as he put it, "those who own the country ought to govern it". That's the primary doctrine of RECD to the present.

There've been many popular struggles since - and they've won many victories. The masters, however, do not relent. The more freedom is won, the more intense are the efforts to redirect the society to a proper course. And the 20th Century progressive democratic theory that I've just sampled is not very different from the RECD that has been achieved, apart from the question of: Which responsible men should rule? Should it be bankers or intellectual elites? Or for that matter should it be the Central Committee in a different version of similar doctrines?

Well, another important feature of RECD is that the public must be kept in the dark about what is happening to them. The "herd" must remain "bewildered". The reasons were explained lucidly by the professor of the science of government at Harvard - that's the official name - another respected liberal figure, Samuel Huntington. As he pointed out, "power remains strong when it remains in the dark. Exposed to sunlight, it begins to evaporate". Bradley Manning is facing a life in prison for failure to comprehend this scientific principle. Now Edward Snowden as well. And it works pretty well. If you take a look at polls, it reveals how well it works. So for example, recent polls pretty consistently reveal that Republicans are preferred to Democrats on most issues and crucially on the issues in which the public opposes the policies of the Republicans and favors the policies of the Democrats. One striking example of this is that majorities say that they favor the Republicans on tax policy, while the same majorities oppose those policies. This runs across the board. This is even true of the far right, the Tea Party types. This goes along with an astonishing level of contempt for government. Favorable opinions about Congress are literally in the single digits. The rest of the government as well. It's all declining sharply.

Results such as these, which are pretty consistent, illustrate demoralization of the public of a kind that's unusual, although there are examples - the late Weimar Republic comes to mind. The tasks of ensuring that the rabble keep to their function as bewildered spectators, takes many forms. The simplest form is simply to restrict entry into the political system. Iran just had an election, as you know. And it was rightly criticized on the grounds that even to participate, you had to be vetted by the guardian council of clerics. In the United States, you don't have to be vetted by clerics, but rather you have to be vetted by concentrations of private capital. Unless you pass their filter, you don't enter the political system - with very rare exceptions.

There are many mechanisms, too familiar to review, but that's not safe enough either. There are major institutions that are specifically dedicated to undermining authentic democracy. One of them is called the public relations industry. A huge industry, it was in fact developed on the principle that it's necessary to regiment the minds of men, much as an army regiments its soldiers - I was actually quoting from one of its leading figures before.

The role of the PR industry in elections is explicitly to undermine the school-child version of democracy. What you learn in school is that democracies are based on informed voters making rational decisions. All you have to do is take a look at an electoral campaign run by the PR industry and see that the purpose is to create uninformed voters who will make irrational decisions. For the PR industry that's a very easy transition from their primary function. Their primary function is commercial advertising. Commercial advertising is designed to undermine markets. If you took an economics course you learned that markets are based on informed consumers making rational choices. If you turn on the TV set, you see that ads are designed to create irrational, uninformed consumers making irrational choices. The whole purpose is to undermine markets in the technical sense.

They're well aware of it, incidentally. So for example, after Obama's election in 2008, a couple of months later the advertising industry had its annual conference. Every year they award a prize for the best marketing campaign of the year. That year they awarded it to Obama. He beat out Apple computer, did an even better job of deluding the public - or his PR agents did. If you want to hear some of it, turn on the television today and listen to the soaring rhetoric at the G-8 Summit in Belfast. It's standard.

There was interesting commentary on this in the business press, primarily The London Financial Times, which had a long article, interviewing executives about what they thought about the election. And they were quite euphoric about this. They said this gives them a new model for how to delude the public. The Obama model could replace the Reagan model, which worked pretty well for a while.

Turning to the economy, the core of the economy today is financial institutions. They've vastly expanded since the 1970s, along with a parallel development - accelerated shift of production abroad. There have also been critical changes in the character of financial institutions.

If you go back to the 1960s, banks were banks. If you had some money, you put it in the bank to lend it to somebody to buy a house or start a business, or whatever. Now that's a very marginal aspect of financial institutions today. They're mostly devoted to intricate, exotic manipulations with markets. And they're huge. In the United States, financial institutions, big banks mostly, had 40% of corporate profit in 2007. That was on the eve of the financial crisis, for which they were largely responsible. After the crisis, a number of professional economists - Nobel laureate Robert Solow, Harvard's Benjamin Friedman - wrote articles in which they pointed out that economists haven't done much study of the impact of the financial institutions on the economy. Which is kind of remarkable, considering its scale. But after the crisis they took a look and they both concluded that probably the impact of the financial institutions on the economy is negative. Actually there are some who are much more outspoken than that. The most respected financial correspondent in the English-speaking world is Martin Wolf of theFinancial Times. He writes that the "out-of-control financial sector is eating out the modern market economy from the inside, just as the larva of the spider wasp eats out the host in which it has been laid". By "the market economy" he means the productive economy.

There's a recent issue of the main business weekly, Bloomberg Business Week, which reported a study of the IMF that found that the largest banks make no profit. What they earn, according to the IMF analysis, traces to the government insurance policy, the so-called too-big-to-fail policy. There is a widely publicized bailout, but that's the least of it. There's a whole series of other devices by which the government insurance policy aids the big banks: cheap credit and many other things. And according to the IMF at least, that's the totality of their profit. The editors of the journal say this is crucial to understanding why the big banks present such a threat to the global economy - and to the people of the country, of course.

After the crash, there was the first serious attention by professional economists to what's called systemic risk. They knew it existed but it wasn't much a topic of investigation. 'Systemic risk' means the risk that if a transaction fails, the whole system may collapse. That's what's called an externality in economic theory. It's a footnote. And it's one of the fundamental flaws of market systems, a well-known, inherent flaw, is externalities. Every transaction has impacts on others which just aren't taken into account in a market transaction. Systemic risk is a big one. And there are much more serious illustrations than that. I'll come back to it.

What about the productive economy under RECD? Here there's a mantra too. The mantra is based on entrepreneurial initiative and consumer choice in a free market. There are agreements established called free-trade agreements, which are based on the mantra. That's all mythology.

The reality is that there is massive state intervention in the productive economy and the free-trade agreements are anything but free-trade agreements. That should be obvious. Just to take one example: The information technology (IT) revolution, which is driving the economy, that was based on decades of work in effectively the state sector - hard, costly, creative work substantially in the state sector, no consumer choice at all, there was entrepreneurial initiative but it was largely limited to getting government grants or bailouts or procurement. Except by some economists, that's underestimated but a very significant factor in corporate profit. If you can't sell something, hand it over the government. They'll buy it.

After a long period - decades in fact - of hard, creative work, the primary research and development, the results are handed over to private enterprise for commercialization and profit. That's Steve Jobs and Bill Gates and so on. It's not quite that simple of course. But that's a core part of the picture. The system goes way back to the origins of industrial economies, but it's dramatically true since WWII that this ought to be the core of the study of the productive economy.

Another central aspect of RECD is concentration of capital. In just the past 20 years in the United States, the share of profits of the two hundred largest enterprises has very sharply risen, probably the impact of the Internet, it seems. These tendencies towards oligopoly also undermine the mantra, of course. Interesting topics but I won't pursue them any further.

Instead, I'd like to turn to another question. What are the prospects for the future under RECD? There's an answer. They're pretty grim. It's no secret that there are a number of dark shadows that hover over every topic that we discuss and there are two that are particularly ominous, so I'll keep to those, though there are others. One is environmental catastrophe. The other is nuclear war. Both of which of course threaten the prospects for decent survival and not in the remote future.

I won't say very much about the first, environmental catastrophe. That should be obvious. Certainly the scale of the danger should be obvious to anyone with eyes open, anyone who is literate, particularly those who read scientific journals. Every issue of a technical journal virtually has more dire warnings than the last one.

There are various reactions to this around the world. There are some who seek to act decisively to prevent possible catastrophe. At the other extreme, major efforts are underway to accelerate the danger. Leading the effort to intensify the likely disaster is the richest and most powerful country in world history, with incomparable advantages and the most prominent example of RECD - the one that others are striving towards.

Leading the efforts to preserve conditions in which our immediate descendants might have a decent life, are the so-called "primitive" societies: First Nations in Canada, Aboriginal societies in Australia, tribal societies and others like them. The countries that have large and influential indigenous populations are well in the lead in the effort to "defend the Earth". That's their phrase. The countries that have driven indigenous populations to extinction or extreme marginalization are racing forward enthusiastically towards destruction. This is one of the major features of contemporary history. One of those things that ought to be on front pages. So take Ecuador, which has a large indigenous population. It's seeking aid from the rich countries to allow it to keep its substantial hydrocarbon reserves underground, which is where they ought to be. Now meanwhile, the U.S. and Canada are enthusiastically seeking to burn every drop of fossil fuel, including the most dangerous kind - Canadian tar sands - and to do so as quickly and fully as possible - without a side glance on what the world might look like after this extravagant commitment to self-destruction. Actually, every issue of the daily papers suffices to illustrate this lunacy. And lunacy is the right word for it. It's exactly the opposite of what rationality would demand, unless it's the skewed rationality of RECD.

Well, there have been massive corporate campaigns to implant and safeguard the lunacy. But despite them, there's still a real problem in American society. The public is still too committed to scientific rationality. One of the many divergences between policy and opinion is that the American public is close to the global norm in concern about the environment and calling for actions to prevent the catastrophe and that's a pretty high level. Meanwhile, bipartisan policy is dedicated to 'bringing it on', in a phrase that George W. Bush made famous in the case of Iraq. Fortunately, the corporate sector is riding to the rescue to deal with this problem. There is a corporate funded organization - the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). It designs legislation for states. No need to comment on what kind of legislation. They've got a lot of clout and money behind them. So the programs tend to get instituted. Right now they're instituting a new program to try to overcome the excessive rationality of the public. It's a program of instruction for K-12 (kindergarten to 12th grade in schools). Its publicity says that the idea is to improve critical faculties - I'd certainly be in favor of that - by balanced teaching. 'Balanced teaching' means that if a sixth grade class learned something about what's happening to the climate, they have to be presented with material on climate change denial so that they have balanced teaching and can develop their critical faculties. Maybe that'll help overcome the failure of massive corporate propaganda campaigns to make the population ignorant and irrational enough to safeguard short-term profit for the rich. It's pointedly the goal and several states have already accepted it.

Well, it's worth remembering, without pursuing it that these are deep-seated institutional properties of RECD. They're not easy to uproot. All of this is apart from the institutional necessity to maximize short-term profit while ignoring an externality that's vastly more serious even than systemic risk. For systemic risk, the market failure - the culprits - can run to the powerful nanny state that they foster with cap in hand and they'll be bailed out, as we've just observed again and will in the future. In the case of destruction of the environment, the conditions for decent existence, there's no guardian angel around - nobody to run to with cap in hand. For that reason alone, the prospects for decent survival under RECD are quite dim.

Let's turn to the other shadow: nuclear war. It's a threat that's been with us for 70 years. It still is. In some ways it's growing. One of the reasons for it is that under RECD, the rights and needs of the general population are a minor matter. That extends to security. There is another prevailing mantra, particularly in the academic professions, claiming that governments seek to protect national security. Anyone who has studied international relations theory has heard that. That's mostly mythology. The governments seek to extend power and domination and to benefit their primary domestic constituencies - in the U.S., primarily the corporate sector. The consequence is that security does not have a high priority. We see that all the time. Right now in fact. Take say Obama's operation to murder Osama Bin Laden, prime suspect for the 9/11 attack. Obama made an important speech on national security last May 23rd. It was widely covered. There was one crucial paragraph in the speech that was ignored in the coverage. Obama hailed the operation, took pride in it - an operation which incidentally is another step at dismantling the foundations of Anglo-American law, back to the Magna Carta, namely the presumption of innocence. But that's by now so familiar, it's not even necessary to talk about it. But there's more to it. Obama did hail the operation but he added to it that it "cannot be the norm". The reason is that "the risks were immense". The Navy SEALswho carried out the murder might have been embroiled in an extended firefight, but even though by luck that didn't happen, "the cost to our relationship with Pakistan - and the backlash of the Pakistani public over the encroachment on their territory", the aggression in other words, "was so severe that we're just now beginning to rebuild this important partnership".

It's more than that. Let's add a couple of details. The SEALswere under orders to fight their way out if they were apprehended. They would not have been left to their fate if they had been, in Obama's words, been "embroiled in an extended firefight". The full force of the U.S. military would have been employed to extricate them. Pakistan has a powerful military. It's well-trained, highly protective of state sovereignty. Of course, it has nuclear weapons. And leading Pakistani specialists on nuclear policy and issues are quite concerned by the exposure of the nuclear weapons system to jihadi elements. It could have escalated to a nuclear war. And in fact it came pretty close. While the SEALswere still inside the Bin Laden compound, the Pakistani chief of staff, General Kayani, was informed of the invasion and he ordered his staff in his words to "confront any unidentified aircraft". He assumed it was probably coming from India. Meanwhile in Kabul, General David Petraeus, head of the Central Command, ordered "U.S. warplanes to respond if Pakistanis scrambled their fighter jets". It was that close. Going back to Obama, "by luck" it didn't happen. But the risk was faced without noticeable concern, without even reporting in fact.

There's a lot more to say about that operation and its immense cost to Pakistan, but instead of that let's look more closely at the concern for security more generally. Beginning with security from terror, and then turning to the much more important question of security from instant destruction by nuclear weapons.

As I mentioned, Obama's now conducting the world's greatest international terrorist campaign - the drones and special forces campaign. It's also a terror-generating campaign. The common understanding at the highest level [is] that these actions generate potential terrorists. I'll quote General Stanley McChrystal, Petraeus' predecessor. He says that "for every innocent person you kill", and there are plenty of them, "you create ten new enemies".

Take the marathon bombing in Boston a couple of months ago, that you all read about. You probably didn't read about the fact that two days after the marathon bombing there was a drone bombing in Yemen. Usually we don't happen to hear much about drone bombings. They just go on - just straight terror operations which the media aren't interested in because we don't care about international terrorism as long as the victims are somebody else. But this one we happened to know about by accident. There was a young man from the village that was attacked who was in the United States and he happened to testify before Congress. He testified about it. He said that for several years, the jihadi elements in Yemen had been trying to turn the village against Americans, get them to hate Americans. But the villagers didn't accept it because the only thing they knew about the United States was what he told them. And he liked the United States. So he was telling them it was a great place. So the jihadi efforts didn't work. Then he said one drone attack has turned the entire village into people who hate America and want to destroy it. They killed a man who everybody knew and they could have easily apprehended if they'd wanted. But in our international terror campaigns we don't worry about that and we don't worry about security.

One of the striking examples was the invasion of Iraq. U.S. and British intelligence agencies informed their governments that the invasion of Iraq was likely to lead to an increase in terrorism. They didn't care. In fact, it did. Terrorism increased by a factor of seven the first year after the Iraqi invasion, according to government statistics. Right now the government is defending the massive surveillance operation. That's on the front pages. The defense is on grounds that we have to do it to apprehend terrorists.

If there were a free press - an authentic free press - the headlines would be ridiculing this claim on the grounds that policy is designed in such a way that it amplifies the terrorist risk. But you can't find that, which is one of innumerable indications of how far we are from anything that might be called a free press.

Let's turn to the more serious problem: instant destruction by nuclear weapons. That's never been a high concern for state authorities. There are many striking examples. Actually, we know a lot about it because the United States is an unusually free and open society and there's plenty of internal documents that are released. So we can find out about it if we like.

Let's go back to 1950. In 1950, U.S. security was just overwhelming. There'd never been anything like it in human history. There was one potential danger: ICBMs with hydrogen bomb warheads. They didn't exist, but they were going to exist sooner or later. The Russians knew that they were way behind in military technology. They offered the U.S. a treaty to ban the development of ICBMs with hydrogen bomb warheads. That would have been a terrific contribution to U.S. security. There is one major history of nuclear weapons policy written by McGeorge Bundy, National Security Advisor for Kennedy and Johnson. In his study he has a couple of casual sentences on this. He said that he was unable to find even a staff paper discussing this. Here's a possibility to save the country from total disaster and there wasn't even a paper discussing it. No one cared. Forget it, we'll go on to the important things.

A couple of years later, in 1952, Stalin made a public offer, which was pretty remarkable, to permit unification of Germany with internationally supervised free elections, in which the Communists would certainly lose, on one condition - that Germany be demilitarized. That's hardly a minor issue for the Russians. Germany alone had practically destroyed them several times in the century. Germany militarized and part of a hostile Western alliance is a major threat. That was the offer.

The offer was public. It also of course would have led to an end to the official reason for NATO. It was dismissed with ridicule. Couldn't be true. There were a few people who took it seriously - James Warburg, a respected international commentator, but he was just dismissed with ridicule. Today, scholars are looking back at it, especially with the Russian archives opening up. And they're discovering that in fact it was apparently serious. But nobody could pay attention to it because it didn't accord with policy imperatives - vast production of threat of war.

Let's go on a couple of years to the late '50s, when Khrushchev took over. He realized that Russia was way behind economically and that it could not compete with the United States in military technology and hope to carry out economic development, which he was hoping to do. So he offered a sharp mutual cutback in offensive weapons. The Eisenhower administration kind of dismissed it. The Kennedy administration listened. They considered the possibility and they rejected it. Khrushchev went on to introduce a sharp unilateral reduction of offensive weapons. The Kennedy administration observed that and decided to expand offensive military capacity - not just reject it, but expand it. It was already way ahead.

That was one reason why Khrushchev placed missiles in Cuba in 1962 to try to redress the balance slightly. That led to what historian Arthur Schlesinger - Kennedy's advisor - called "the most dangerous moment in world history" - the Cuban missile crisis. Actually there was another reason for it: the Kennedy administration was carrying out a major terrorist operation against Cuba. Massive terrorism. It's the kind of terrorism that the West doesn't care about because somebody else is the victim. So it didn't get reported, but it was large-scale. Furthermore, the terror operation - it was called Operation Mongoose - had a plan. It was to culminate in an American invasion in October 1962. The Russians and the Cubans may not have known all the details, but it's likely that they knew this much. That was another reason for placing defensive missiles in Cuba.

Then came very tense weeks as you know. They culminated on October 26th. At that time, B-52s armed with nuclear weapons were ready to attack Moscow. The military instructions permitted crews to launch nuclear war without central control. It was decentralized command. Kennedy himself was leaning towards military action to eliminate the missiles from Cuba. His own, subjective estimate of the probability of nuclear war was between a third and a half. That would essentially have wiped out the Northern Hemisphere, according to President Eisenhower.

At that point, on October 26th, the letter came from Khrushchev to Kennedy offering to end the crisis. How? By withdrawal of Russian missiles from Cuba in return for withdrawal of U.S. missiles from Turkey. Kennedy in fact didn't even know there were missiles in Turkey. But he was informed of that by his advisors. One of the reasons he didn't know is that they were obsolete and they were being withdrawn anyway. They were being replaced with far more lethal invulnerable Polaris submarines. So that was the offer: the Russians withdraw missiles from Cuba; the U.S. publicly withdraw obsolete missiles that it's already withdrawing from Turkey, which of course are a much greater threat to Russia than the missiles were in Cuba.

Kennedy refused. That's probably the most horrendous decision in human history, in my opinion. He was taking a huge risk of destroying the world in order to establish a principle: the principle is that we have the right to threaten anyone with destruction anyway we like, but it's a unilateral right. And no one may threaten us, even to try to deter a planned invasion. Much worse than this is the lesson that has been taken away - that Kennedy is praised for his cool courage under pressure. That's the standard version today.

The threats continued. Ten years later, Henry Kissinger called a nuclear alert. 1973. The purpose was to warn the Russians not to intervene in the Israel-Arab conflict. What had happened was that Russia and the United States had agreed to institute a ceasefire. But Kissinger had privately informed Israel that they didn't have to pay any attention to it; they could keep going. Kissinger didn't want the Russians to interfere so he called a nuclear alert.

Going on ten years, Ronald Reagan's in office. His administration decided to probe Russian defenses by simulating air and naval attacks - air attacks into Russia and naval attacks on its border. Naturally this caused considerable alarm in Russia, which unlike the United States is quite vulnerable and had repeatedly been invaded and virtually destroyed. That led to a major war scare in 1983. We have newly released archives that tell us how dangerous it was - much more dangerous than historians had assumed. There's a current CIA study that just came out. It's entitled "The War Scare Was for Real". It was close to nuclear war. It concludes that U.S. intelligence underestimated the threat of a Russian preventative strike, nuclear strike, fearing that the U.S. was attacking them. The most recent issue of The Journal of Strategic Studies - one of the main journals - writes that this almost became a prelude to a preventative nuclear strike. And it continues. I won't go through details, but the Bin Laden assassination is a recent one.

There are now three new threats. I'll try to be brief, but let me mention three cases that are on the front pages right now. North Korea, Iran, China. They're worth looking at. North Korea has been issuing wild, dangerous threats. That's attributed to the lunacy of their leaders. It could be argued that it's the most dangerous, craziest government in the world, and the worst government. It's probably true. But if we want to reduce the threats instead of march blindly in unison, there are a few things to consider. One of them is that the current crisis began with U.S.-South Korean war games, which included for the first time ever a simulation of a preemptive attack in an all-out war scenario against North Korea. Part of these exercises were simulated nuclear bombings on the borders of North Korea. That brings up some memories for the North Korean leadership. For example, they can remember that 60 years ago there was a superpower that virtually leveled the entire country and when there was nothing left to bomb, the United States turned to bombing dams. Some of you may recall that you could get the death penalty for that at Nuremberg. It's a war crime. Even if Western intellectuals and the media choose to ignore the documents, the North Korean leadership can read public documents, the official Air Force reports of the time, which are worth reading. I encourage you to read them. They exulted over the glorious sight of massive floods "that scooped clear 27 miles of valley below", devastated 75% of the controlled water supply for North Korea's rice production, sent the commissars scurrying to the press and radio centers to blare to the world the most severe, hate-filled harangues to come from the Communist propaganda mill in the three years of warfare. To the communists, the smashing of the dams meant primarily the destruction of their chief sustenance: rice. Westerners can little conceive the awesome meaning which the loss of this staple food commodity has for Asians: starvation and slow death. Hence the show of rage, the flare of violent tempers and the threats of reprisals when bombs fell on five irrigation dams. Mostly quotes. Like other potential targets, the crazed North Korean leaders can also read high-level documents which are public, declassified, which outline U.S. strategic doctrine. One of the most important is a study by Clinton's strategic command, STRATCOM. It's about the role of nuclear weapons in the post-Cold War era. Its central conclusions are: U.S. must retain the right of first strike, even against non-nuclear states; furthermore, nuclear weapons must always be available, at the ready, because they "cast a shadow over any crisis or conflict". They frighten adversaries. So they're constantly being used, just as if you're using a gun, going into a store pointing a gun at the store owner. You don't fire it, but you're using the gun. STRATCOM goes on to say planners should not be too rational in determining what the opponent values the most. All of it has to be targeted. "It hurts to portray ourselves as too fully rational and cool-headed. That the United States may become irrational and vindictive if its vital interests are attacked should be part of the national persona that we project." It's beneficial for our strategic posture "if some elements appear to be potentially out-of-control". That's not Richard Nixon or George W. Bush; it's Bill Clinton.

Again, Western intellectuals and media choose not to look, but potential targets don't have that luxury. There's also a recent history that the North Korean leaders know quite well. I'm not going to review it because of lack of time. But it's very revealing. I'll just quote mainstream U.S. scholarship. North Korea has been playing tit for tat - reciprocating whenever Washington cooperates, retaliating whenever Washington reneges. Undoubtedly it's a horrible place. But the record does suggest directions that would reduce the threat of war if that were the intention, certainly not military maneuvers and simulated nuclear bombing.

Let me turn to the "gravest threat to world peace" - those are Obama's words, dutifully repeated in the press: Iran's nuclear program. It raises a couple of questions: Who thinks it's the gravest threat? What is the threat? How can you deal with it, whatever it is?

'Who thinks it's a threat?' is easy to answer. It's a Western obsession. The U.S. and its allies say it's the gravest threat and not the rest of the world, not the non-aligned countries, not the Arab states. The Arab populations don't like Iran but they don't regard it as much of a threat. They regard the U.S. as the threat. In Iraq and Egypt, for example, the U.S. is regarded as the major threat they face. It's not hard to understand why.

What is the threat? We know the answer from the highest level: the U.S. intelligence and the Pentagon provide estimates to Congress every year. You can read them. The Global Security Analysis - they of course review this. And they say the main threat of a Iranian nuclear program - if they're developing weapons, they don't know. But they say if they're developing weapons, they would be part of their deterrent strategy. The U.S. can't accept that. A state that claims the right to use force and violence anywhere and whenever it wants, cannot accept a deterrent. So they're a threat. That's the threat.

So how do you deal with the threat, whatever it is? Actually, there are ways. I'm short of time so I won't go through details but there's one very striking one: We've just passed an opportunity last December. There was to be an international conference under the auspices of the non-proliferation treaty, UN auspices, in Helsinki to deal with moves to establish a nuclear weapons-free zone in the Middle East. That has overwhelming international support - non-aligned countries; it's been led by the Arab states, Egypt particularly, for decades. Overwhelming support. If it could be carried forward it would certainly mitigate the threat. It might eliminate it. Everyone was waiting to see whether Iran would agree to attend.

In early November, Iran agreed to attend. A couple of days later, Obama canceled the conference. No conference. The European Parliament passed a resolution calling for it to continue. The Arab states said they were going to proceed anyway, but it can't be done. So we have to live with the gravest threat to world peace. And we possibly have to march on to war which in fact is being predicted.

The population could do something about it if they knew anything about it. But here, the free press enters. In the United States there has literally not been a single word about this anywhere near the mainstream. You can tell me about Europe.

The last potential confrontation is China. It's an interesting one, but time is short so I won't go on.

The last comment I'd like to make goes in a somewhat different direction. I mentioned the Magna Carta. That's the foundations of modern law. We will soon be commemorating the 800th anniversary. We won't be celebrating it - more likely interring what little is left of its bones after the flesh has been picked off by Bush and Obama and their colleagues in Europe. And Europe is involved clearly.

But there is another part of Magna Carta which has been forgotten. It had two components. The one is the Charter of Liberties which is being dismantled. The other was called the Charter of the Forests. That called for protection of the commons from the depredations of authority. This is England of course. The commons were the traditional source of sustenance, of food and fuel and welfare as well. They were nurtured and sustained for centuries by traditional societies collectively. They have been steadily dismantled under the capitalist principle that everything has to be privately owned, which brought with it the perverse doctrine of - what is called the tragedy of the commons - a doctrine which holds that collective possessions will be despoiled so therefore everything has to be privately owned. The merest glance at the world shows that the opposite is true. It's privatization that is destroying the commons. That's why the indigenous populations of the world are in the lead in trying to save Magna Carta from final destruction by its inheritors. And they're joined by others. Take say the demonstrators in Gezi Park in trying to block the bulldozers in Taksim Square. They're trying to save the last part of the commons in Istanbul from the wrecking ball of commercial destruction. This is a kind of a microcosm of the general defense of the commons. It's one part of a global uprising against the violent neo-liberal assault on the population of the world. Europe is suffering severely from it right now. The uprisings have registered some major successes. The most dramatic are Latin America. In this millennium it has largely freed itself from the lethal grip of Western domination for the first time in 500 years. Other things are happening too. The general picture is pretty grim, I think. But there are shafts of light. As always through history, there are two trajectories. One leads towards oppression and destruction. The other leads towards freedom and justice. And as always - to adapt Martin Luther King's famous phrase - there are ways to bend the arc of the moral universe towards justice and freedom - and by now even towards survival.

[End of presentation]

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Chomsky: It's very simple. I'd like the press to tell the truth about important things.



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+60 # fredboy 2012-10-28 09:18
I am a resident of Southwest Florida. Here massive harmful algal blooms sparked by fertilizer runoff from golf courses and neighborhoods threaten our bio health: humans and every species that contacts our waters. To artificially and intentionally create such a nightmare is off-the-scales tragic.
 
 
+35 # MainStreetMentor 2012-10-28 09:35
... wait a while. BP will come back and kill off all that algae ... and the shrimp ... and the water foul ... and many species of fish ... oh, and a few humans, too, as well as destroying the entire fisihing industry of the entire region.
 
 
+16 # brianf 2012-10-28 14:15
Fertilizer runoff is completely different from the iron fertilization the article is talking about.

If the effect of iron fertilization was to create dead zones, you wouldn't have Orcas and other life rushing to the area. An increase in iron stimulates the growth of phytoplankton, which is at the base of the ocean food chain, and they remove CO2 from the atmosphere too. The phytoplankton population has decreased about 40% since 1950, so stimulating it could help the entire ocean ecosystem and remove huge amounts of CO2.

The ocean is naturally fertilized with iron by dust storms, so it might be a relatively safe way to remove some of the excess CO2 from the atmosphere. But too much iron fertilization might lead to a dead zone or other bad side effects, so we have to be careful.

I'm totally against private companies doing things like this. But I'm for scientists doing experiments to determine how safe it is and what the side effects are. If they determine it is safe enough, we could do carefully controlled larger scale tests, always carefully monitoring the effects. We may or may not discover that it is safe enough to deploy longer term, but we will never know if we don't do the right tests.
 
 
+3 # Kitnbear 2012-10-30 09:29
The problem of iron in the water is the amount. It does cause huge blooms, some that create toxins that can cause kills, they then die and take up oxygen to decay. Not all alge/phytos are alike in the good/harm they can cause.
 
 
0 # Derek1G 2012-11-14 19:16
There are thousands of species of algae in the oceans. I'm quite confident that whatever blooms from fertilizing the very cold water off BC with iron is different than whatever blooms from nitrogen and phosphorous run-off from lawns.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't pay attention to it.
 
 
+38 # carp 2012-10-28 09:34
Fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides run off the corn for fuel fields in the Midwest into the Mississippi which dumps into the Gulf of Mexico where a growing algae field has killed the shrimp. Utah seeded the clouds for over 10 years during their quest to sponsor the Olympics in order to claim the greatest snow on earth ensuring drought and deep fog over the valley I live in east of the cloud seeding. And that is just in the old days, imagine what they will do in the future and the motive is profit and gain.
 
 
+59 # WestWinds 2012-10-28 09:36
Between this rust dump and the sonic weapons experiments being performed underwater at sea by the US Navy which implodes the internal organs of all sea life and anything else within its range, all I can say is, "We are in the hands of madmen but, for some inexplicable reason, we are addicted to them and their toxic mentalities."
 
 
+6 # Lowflyin Lolana 2012-10-31 19:55
We lose the oceans and we are done, and we're already well on the way.

Klein needs to do a lot more reading, say "the cooling" by Lowell Ponte which documents weather modification projects from decades ago.

This is nothing new and doesn't even speak to the unspeakable situation in the nuclear Pacific.
 
 
+13 # robmxa 2012-10-28 10:14
Unfortunately we are already in a grand experiment that is changing all aspects of our ecosystem. We have been at it for thousands of years. We have injected all kinds of things willy nilly into that system. Now is the time to start doing something about it. Other than have the human race stop breathing and eating or commit suicide some other way we will have to get involved with countering our bad affects in an intelligent way. After all eight billion people and growing just breathing is having an affect.
 
 
+12 # brianf 2012-10-28 13:54
Exactly right. We have been conducting massive geoengineering operations for many decades. We now know that some of them are incredibly harmful, yet we continue to expand them.

By far the worst are the operations that release greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. They have grown to the point that we will probably need to begin new geoengineering operations to counter them. Yes, this is insanity. But don't be in denial. This is our reality.

Don't be against potentially good geoengineering on principle. Yes, there are risks. So let's do experiments to reduce the risks as much as we can.

Continuing the bad geoengineering operations is way worse than risky. It is guaranteed destruction. If we can't manage to stop them (our current reality), then let's be realistic about our options.
 
 
+9 # rpauli 2012-10-30 00:06
"Lessons not learned, will be repeated"
 
 
+6 # Nominae 2012-11-02 01:49
@robmxa

Not to worry. This will not go on indefinitely.

Scientists tell us, based upon the number of species already lost to date, that we are well into the Sixth Major Extinction. "Major Extinction" being defined as those times when Mother Nature wipes out 90% or more of all living species on the planet, which she has done five times that we know of.

There have also been many lesser extinctions in which, say 45% or 60% of all species are removed.

The Extinction that wiped out the Dinosaurs was a lesser Extinction.

So, to all those bone-heads who were unable to process the bumper stickers in the '70s that reminded us of the fact that "Mother Nature Bats Last", bon voyage.

We keep screwing with cycles and systems we don't even vaguely understand, and we will get exactly what we deserve.

Let us not be so childish and naive as to think we need to "save the planet". The Planet, as she has proven many times over, is *more* than capable of taking care of herself. She will shuck us off like an old scab if need be.

We either find a way to enter into harmony with her cycles and systems or we eventually "get spanked". It's just not that complicated.

Thinking that one man on a boat with big pocketbook is going to successfully "manipulate" nature's major cycles is pretty close to proof that this species is ready for our "Natural Selection" moment !
 
 
+12 # Interested Observer 2012-10-28 10:34
Don't worry. The Free Market will correct it.
 
 
+21 # JH Gordon 2012-10-28 11:59
But of course... And the only people who benefit from these experiments are the current owners of the current energy systems like fossil fuels. So now we can dump oxidizing cars into the ocean and call it an environmental boon. The world upside down. But hey, if the geo-clowns get it wrong, it won't matter. There are so many ways to skin the energy cat, these guys should be tied to those sacks of rust and follow them down.
 
 
+39 # MainStreetMentor 2012-10-28 11:03
Man continues to saw off the tree limb on which he stands.
 
 
+25 # stonecutter 2012-10-28 11:20
Geo-engineering will happen, just as bio-engineering , genetic engineering and all other kinds of human engineering have already happened, with both intended and unintended consequences, despite the high-minded concerns of certain scientists, journalists and other self-appointed guardians of the so-called natural world. We can't even remotely agree on the relatively mundane issues of social justice, reproductive rights, medicare, social security or "defense" policy; we're still a nation riddled with racism, pernicious xenophobia, withering inequality, rising anti-scientific stupidity and political idiocy; so reaching some optimal "consensus" on the matter of global geo-engineering seems as far-fetched as reversing climate change itself,notwiths tanding some global catastrophe that literally forces the human race to change course. Even Fukishima remains an exercise in denial and blatant rationalization on a global scale, as if the problem has already been resolved and we're about to see a barrage of slick commercials inviting the world to visit the delightful Fukishima region on summer vacation (much the same as we see BP in a small blizzard of brazen TV ads trying to brainwash the public about the "safety" of the gulf coast).

We're drowning in a daily torrent of optically engineered public relations bullshit, offered up as reasonable fact, complete with background guitar music, that not even Naomi Klein can put a dent in, although I wish her luck.
 
 
+21 # Eliza D 2012-10-28 11:36
Yes, Ms. Klein, it would be better to change our behavior than to tinker with Mother Nature. There are so many things we could do, such as funding solar innovation, instead of giving tax breaks to oil companies and gas companies. We could institute polices that compel people to buy food locally, rather than fly and truck food across the country and the globe. Maybe we could learn to grow varieties of warm weather fruit in colder climes. In fact, there are varieties of lemons and avocados that are able to produce in more northern climes. But I have a more radical solution which could impact our planet positively for the foreseeable future. That is to institute government rules to mandate that government agencies and companies hire people who live within, say a two to ten mile radius of their employer. Imagine ending the nightmare of commuting on America's highways, which I do everyday-45 minutes or more each way- and dramatically reducing car emissions. In the profession I am in, employers spend weeks interviewing candidates, who, truth be told, are extremely similar in qualifications. Once hired, we get the message we are expendable drones anyway. The higher our pay, the more intimidation there is. If a person really wants a certain job, he or she must move to within the required radius. Yes, it sounds like a nanny state, and we are under the illusion that choices are our own. But much of what we do is already orchestrated by the ruling class.
 
 
+6 # brux 2012-10-28 11:38
Let's see, which is more intelligent ... chimpanzees, gorillas, baboons or human beings?
 
 
+27 # reiverpacific 2012-10-28 12:00
So presumably "Mr George" did not seek, nor need a permit to do his thing?
Hope that all you Libertarians and "who needs regulations" types are watching.
 
 
+7 # Kootenay Coyote 2012-10-28 17:51
George did not seek a permit; he did communicate with one of the three or four responsible ministries, & was not granted permission.
 
 
+2 # reiverpacific 2012-10-29 11:55
Quoting Kootenay Coyote:
George did not seek a permit; he did communicate with one of the three or four responsible ministries, & was not granted permission.

Thanks for that info'.
 
 
+31 # sameasiteverwas 2012-10-28 12:38
Credited to the Great Law of the Iroquois:
"In every deliberation, we must consider the impact of the seventh generation...ev en if it requires having skin as thick as the bark of a pine."

And then we showed up. In our seven generations in North America we have decimated human and animal populations, poisoned the water, contaminated the land and air, and now fight over everything that is left. Our skin is as thin as the layer of breathable air on this one fragile planet which is all we have. We point at other governments that rape their own lands as if that justifies our carelessness with our own. A leader like Jimmy Carter who encourages conservation and common sense is reviled.

We're a short-term race, we humans. Greedy for short-term profits and immediate gratification, short-sighted in our goals. Greed and hubris our defining characteristics . Sorry, my lovely granddaughter.. .we're screwed.
 
 
+5 # Observer 47 2012-10-28 19:48
OUTSTANDING post!
 
 
+2 # brux 2012-10-31 19:08
It's no small wonder the Indians have the despair and hopelessness they did and do .... we should let the Indians have the land back or at the very least go forward thinking primarily of how they lived with the land.

There is an absolutely wonderful book called 1491, about the American continent, before the settlers came. There is a lot of very good information in it. Like how Indians captured and living with Whites never quit trying to escape, but Whites captured and living with the Indians never wanted to go back to White culture. Native American homes were warmer and more watertight and environmentally sound, their diets also have more varied, with more nutrition and calories than Europeans.

It just seems like everything we've been told is wrong - but White culture has the guns and bombs. I sure hope we are learning, but I wonder.
 
 
+17 # Joanedra 2012-10-28 13:14
Do three things, then decide...

At first glance I wanted to shout "Hallelujah", someone in mainstream news has FINALLY addressed geoengineering! Then (did you hear me?) I screamed " 'TESTING THE WATERS', MY ASS! GEOENGINEERING HAS BEEN GOING ON WORLD WIDE FOR AT LEAST TWO DECADES!"

Where is Ms. Klein's head? Maybe it is in some dark place where she cannot see the planes spraying, hear their engines, or breathe their aerosols of nanoparticles of aluminum, barium, strontium, self-replicatin g biological elements and other unknown substances. Maybe Ms. Klein should have her blood tested, as I and others have done, revealing extremely high levels of heavy metals like the ones, you know, THEY ARE SPRAYING ON US!

Listen to Rosalind Peterson, a former certified U.S.D.A. Farm Service Agency crop-loss-adjus tor who tells how our crops and plant life are being devastated by geoengineering.

Educate yourself with the film "What In The World Are They Spraying" with G. Edward Griffin.

Learn of the in-depth and comprehensive research of Cliff Carnicom at the Carnicom Institute by clicking on "Geo-Engineerin g - Aerosol Research".

Do those three things, then revisit Ms. Klein's article. Do I hear "gatekeeper"?
 
 
+2 # Carol Sterritt 2012-10-31 19:21
I spent a great deal of the summer of 2009 on the shore of Clear Lake, the lake not the city, in California.

I would watch one plane skimming over the ridges of the city of Clearlake to my east. At that point, the plane would be between 4400 and 4800 feet in elevation. Then the plane would rise to a height of 15,000 feet or more, then again it would drop down to go to the shoulder of Mt Konocti, some nine miles from where I first saw it. I would note how the plane barely was making it over the edge of that cliff. The elevation there? Around 4400 to 4800 feet. So would FAA allow a commercial plane to do this, to go from slightly above 4000 feet to above 15,000 feet and then back down again within nine miles? No, they would not. Nor would the military allow this. So what in the world was this about? And it was routine - happening every day, all afternoon long! And of course, the chem trails flared out behind each plane, to bloom in that strange way that the chem trails do, and not leave the skies but expand and expand!
 
 
+7 # brianf 2012-10-28 13:36
I've been reading the latest reports and papers about all aspects of global warming and climate change for years, and when I put them all together, they indicate there is a very high chance that things are much worse than most people realize (or at least are willing to say), and that includes Bill McKibben and Naomi Klein.

Of course I am against private companies doing large scale geoengineering experiments. But it's past time for scientists to do carefully controlled and monitored small scale geoengineering experiments. We need to know what the effects and side effects actually ARE as opposed to what people think they might be.

I'm pretty sure we have delayed too long for prevention alone, or prevention plus adaptation, to be enough, and that is even IF we make serious changes to our energy system soon. If we add mitigation (geoengineering ), a 3-prong approach might still save us, and save the world from a mass extinction. If we don't do the tests now, we won't know which techniques are safest if and when we need to deploy them.
 
 
+18 # TomThumb 2012-10-28 13:43
Oh, great! When I went into the chemical engineering field in the early '70's, the big thing was units to remove sulfur from oil. This was to prevent the release of SO2 into the atmosphere to prevent acid rain, a problem you don't hear of much anymore. This resulted in the manufacture of huge blocks of pure sulfur that nobody knew what to do with. Now, we want to release that sulfur back into the atmosphere to prevent global warming.
The Saudi Oil Minister, no less, made the remark that the Stone Age did not end because the world ran out of stones. He was referring to the peak oil concept. However, the stone industry, in that era, was not backed by huge legally santcioned formations of capital, with rights that actually far exceed those of any citizen, like Exxon and Chevron.
The way to combat global warming is to stop putting the gases into the atmosphere that cause global warming, even if that is harmful to the business model of these formations of capital.
Tommy Rimes
 
 
+15 # pdjmoo 2012-10-28 13:54
 
 
+8 # cordleycoit 2012-10-28 13:55
See what happens when you give every thin to the rich they get to screw the planet with their harebrained ideas. One fool after another is trying to "save" us from us.
See what happens when you put megalomaniacs in charge.
 
 
0 # Derek1G 2012-11-14 19:34
Megalomaniacs put THEMSELVES in charge. One could also argue that only megalomaniacs run for high political office. That's something we need to learn to manage--because it ain't gonna change.
 
 
+10 # skywatcher 2012-10-28 14:12
Joanedra is absolutely right!

Geoengineering has already been deployed for at least 16 years, and we are being bombarded with aluminum, barium, strontium, and other chemicals on an almost daily basis. Look up, everyone--and wake up!

This is the biggest threat facing us all that we can actually DO something about. It's right in front of us, and the evidence is powerful and overwhelming, everyday--even on days when we are Not sprayed, because that proves that regular 'contrails' must not exist every day either...

Only thing to update from Joanedra's post is that a new, better documentary just came out 2 months ago: "Why in the World Are They Spraying?" -- an in-depth follow-up to "What...?" -- and it's available in full at youtube. Do yourself and your loved ones a favor and watch this Now--and then spread the word about it.

"Why" indeed. How's your weather been lately, especially the last year or so? Ours is unheard of.
 
 
+3 # futhark 2012-10-28 23:51
Funny thing, driving south on US 101 this afternoon (Sunday, 2012 October 28), from Ukiah to Santa Rosa, California, I noticed two places in the clear sky which the jet contrails stopped and started up again multiple times. My previous recollections had always been of continuous contrails. Is someone or something in the plane turning a release valve of nano-particles on and off?
 
 
0 # Derek1G 2012-11-14 19:33
Whether contrails appear depends on variations in humidity in the high atmosphere. The nano-particles are regular "soot" from the exhaust. Not that that's a good thing to have in the air...
 
 
+7 # Peakspecies 2012-10-28 14:51
Note that Russ George's intentions are good. He has great confidence that his various schemes are likely to work but still they may lead to great harm to this planet's life support systems. My guess is that he is unaware of past mega-failure geoengineering projects of the past which have been conveniently forgotten. The same level of confidence characterized the U.S. Project Plowshare program which, under federal support, sought to utilize nuclear explosions for use in massive civil engineering projects. The program lasted for over a decade before the feds finally quietly terminated it's support in response to delayed environmental analysis reports suggesting the cure was worse than the disease.

A historical analysis of how we got ourselves into this mess will show it is the result of a very lengthy string of technical fixes. Perhaps it's time we just accept the fact that adding additional beautiful humans to this planet isn't likely to increase its beauty for for us, or for the millions of other creatures that depend on a stable environment.
 
 
+4 # 6thextinction 2012-10-28 15:12
we as individuals need to speak out at every opportunity on the devastation which is resulting from our personal actions such as flying, meat-eating, procreating, etc.

geoengineering, government and industry are out of our control now. but we are in control of ourselves, and must change much of our common behavior in order to save ourselves, as well as our descendants.
 
 
+7 # lynnscott 2012-10-28 15:38
Naomi Klein. i hope your article is just you being careful not to blow the future book. Certainly you must know by now that Aerosol geoengineering goes on daily, over our heads in Calf., and seemlingly over most NATO countries. It has been going on for more than 5 years. The very secret scheme is a production of military/manufa cturing under the oversight of the oligarchy that rules the moneyed world. Look up HAARP and chemtrails and do speak out. Thank you. L. Scott
 
 
+2 # skywatcher 2012-10-30 12:51
Yes, L. Scott, thanks for being one who is awake. By my studies of this issue, I believe it's been 16 years in the U.S. Watch "Why in the World Are They Spraying?" on youtube and spread the word.

I've taken to asking people on the street whether they've heard of geoengineering or, more directly, whether they've noticed the aerosols streams in the sky. Mostly incredulous, but many are becoming awakened. Only way I can see to combat this is to make the obvious obvious, to a percentage of people that reaches the tipping point.
 
 
+5 # kindergreener 2012-10-28 16:16
 
 
+9 # seeuingoa 2012-10-28 16:30
 
 
+9 # sameasiteverwas 2012-10-28 17:58
Tried that. Worked for Jerry Brown, for Ralph Nader, busted butt for the Green Party for sixteen years, only to watch in horror in 2000 as our swing state went red by less than the amount of votes for Nader. Maybe if I hadn't made those last 150 calls, Florida would have been irrelevant. Now, I know that's ridiculous, that I am not personally responsible for George Bush winning in 2000 -- but I and many like me, stubbornly idealistic and determined to get real change, were responsible for carving votes from Gore, 1% here, 2% there. Until there are publicly funded elections and an equal voice among all parties, the Greens have to see the necessity for responsible voting. Yes, I want Obama to be more progressive -- to be progressive at all -- I wish he were a vocal advocate for environmental stewardship -- but considering the alternative, he still gets my vote.
 
 
+1 # brianf 2012-10-28 19:05
Intelligent, responsible voting = voting Jill Stein if you are NOT in a swing state, voting Obama if you ARE in a swing state. I live in a state that is sure to go for Obama, and I am voting for Jill Stein. That way I don't waste my vote - I send a message to Obama. I also contributed money to the Obama campaign, which will be used in swing states.
 
 
+1 # Rita Walpole Ague 2012-10-28 20:48
Yes, hold my nose I will as I cast an anything but enthuriastic vote for Oh Bomb Ah. St. Michael Moore, the Irish devil (takes one to know one) is so advising - vote for the disappointment of our lifetime, then push harder than hard on him to get him headin' in a far different direction, and out of being just another puppet clown for the 1%ers.
 
 
+4 # The Saint 2012-10-28 19:27
Engineering gets us into the problem and engineering will get us out? Isn't there something about our basic worldview and values that need to change that will make us a more benign presence on this planet? Is our problem simply a matter of good and bad engineering? For what purpose are we doing all of this? Where do we get the right to screw up the whole planetary system including destroying so many of the wonderful life forms and ecosystems? And our answer is a few more engineering tricks? And we consider ourselves the superior species?
 
 
0 # brux 2012-10-31 19:01
compared to nature human engineering is a pale cheap imitation.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-28 19:48
If these Engineers are So Smart why do we still have a growing Island of Plastic.

Engineers are for themselves to make a name in order to make money. Engineers think of today not future. The yesteryear had morals and ethics but since the USA and world does not...neither does this generation .... Like Drug Manufacturers it is about money. We need more Iron in the soil, silt, ocean as we do in our bodies as that is where it will end up causing childhood diseases, body malformations but hey we are the Guinea Pigs...
We allow it... I have fought so long, where has the masses been? Disease we invent and reinvent... this is another pollution and diseases to all life.
 
 
0 # Lowflyin Lolana 2012-10-31 20:01
You said it KittatinyHawk.

If nukes are so safe, why ---

oh hell, never mind. No one here can hear ---I'm convinced of it.
 
 
+1 # itchyvet 2012-10-29 01:52
Joanedra 2012-10-28 11:14
is 100% correct in her post. Chemtrails have been going for over 20 years now, where has Ms klien been during that time ? Moreover, as it has been going on for so long, how come the World is still alledgedly warming up despite the best efforts ?
 
 
+4 # RLF 2012-10-29 06:17
Face it folks...you want to keep having babies...you're screwed. There are just too many people on this little planet...time to starve!
 
 
+1 # Glen 2012-10-29 11:41
Ha. I enjoy the reactions to your posts, RLF, even when folks know you are correct! Let's see how folks respond. We should all keep pounding away in support of controlling populations.
 
 
+1 # panhead49 2012-10-29 12:00
Wonder what type of algae he is releasing? We live on the shores of the largest natural lake in CA (Tahoe is bigger but we share it with NV).

Unfortunately what used to be a lovely Clear Lake with an occassional algae bloom has now become a chronic problem. One of our algi is a blue/green mycrosistic TOXIC algae. We know the problem - nutrient loading. But that conflicts with our burgeoning vineyards and wineries. Therefore the powers that be put the monitoring stations above the vineyards, not between them and the Lake. Now the County wants a half cent sales tax to 'deal with the Lake's conditions'. Sorry, voted against it - if you were more interested in the Lake (where the vast majority of us get our potable water) those monitoring stations would be in the proper place (not the politically expedient areas).

Considering the huge detritis gyres in the worlds oceans I'll need to see more before I can get too flipped out about algae being dumped.
 
 
+1 # moonrigger 2012-10-29 16:12
Pat Mooney of www.etcgroup.org has been on this from the get-go. Go to the website to read excellent in-depth articles about geo-engineering , GMO, biopiracy, frankenfoods, patenting of heirloom seeds, and much much more. It's enlightening, but will also fill you with moral outrage, as you discover the many sinister things going on in the world of Monsanto and their megacorp ilk. Really, I can't think of anyone else who's devoted so much time and energy to being our watchdog... We owe Pat a debt of gratitude.
 
 
0 # Carol Sterritt 2012-10-31 19:25
I had never heard of this group before, so will definitely check it out. Thanks for posting this.
 
 
0 # Skeeziks 2012-10-30 07:24
One would think that getting off this planet would be more important than messing with unknown consequences. Especially on the grand scales that these guys are messing with.
 
 
+1 # Glen 2012-10-30 08:42
Skeeziks, the wealthy are attempting an escape as I write. Space programs being built, both national and private are developing rapidly globally, and tests being performed. Also, the military is promoting orbiting weapons and the U.S. declared, while Bush was in office, that U.S. military has that right, in spite of protests from other nations. Mining the moon or other planets is not that far fetched, either.

If world population survives for a few more decades, the wealthy will certainly escape. If not, they will be holed up underground or in bunkers the size of the U.S. Baghdad embassy.
 
 
+1 # brux 2012-10-31 18:59
If you think it's the weathy that are going to be forced off the planet I think you have things backwards.

First, if you think about the reality for life in space it's pretty awful. Every system man creates breaks and is full of holes. Who want to eat and drink re-cycled chemicals and atmosphere? Who wants to live on a planet or in space we did not evolved for?

Believe me, I used to love space and science fiction, but having become and engineer and learning the real science as well as the biology of humans the last place I would want to live ... at least for 1000 years or so until things can develop is in a tin can in space.

Talk about radiation, the Earth's atmosphere protects us from lots of radiation. The reality of space colonization is not going to be very romantic at all. It's mostly dead out there - human beings and life on Earth wants to be around and needs other life.
 
 
+2 # Glen 2012-11-01 15:40
Number one: There are technological advances that were never considered in the past, including computers and velcro, space stations, and so much more.

Number two: When the earth is totally polluted and ruined, folks will see bubble cities on a random planet attractive, but also on earth, if they are lucky enough to be included.

Number three: Your attitude about the advent of space living and travel and disaster has nothing to do with it. Future generations, should they survive, would not be cognizant of our sensibilities. Romantic attitudes have nothing to do with it either.

Number four: Earth's atmosphere is being destroyed as I write, therefore, those space colonies could easily burgeon on this planet.

I am not one to advocate domed cities or space colonies, but it isn't that far fetched. Also, I do not want to live underground as a result of atmospheric decline or nuclear war or any other man made nonsense. That does not mean it isn't happening.
 
 
0 # Lowflyin Lolana 2012-10-31 20:06
That's funny, two people in my birth family are named Skeezix and Glenn (with two n's)

The idea that humans can build communities on other planets is a perfect example of the science community's exquisitely seductive brain rot that infects and destroys basic common sense and valuation of the Earth's natural processes.

Look into screens all day long, become divorced from three-dimension al reality. And if everyone's doing it, no one will be the wiser.
 
 
+2 # Lowflyin Lolana 2012-10-31 19:36
I'm beginning to think the human race will not survive computers.

Good intentions, road to hell.

EMFs, EMR, Stuxnet, Fukushima, HAARP, a culture and economy based on unsustainable rape of Earth's resources. Myself included, we are all part of the machine that removes us from our immediate present, our immediate communities.

The main thing our "communications " "grid" has accomplished, that I can see, is that it gives people an excuse not to speak to each other every single day, all day. Go home, sit on couch, look into machine screen. Leave home, climb into machine. Go to work, go into another building (cave), look at another screen. I see it EVERY DAY. Every single person does this. Animals despair--they'r e wiser than we are, but we lord our power over them because the Bible said God gave Man Dominion.


All attention on screen. Attention is disconnected from touch, taste, smell, the immediate physical presence of other humans.

We worship Man's ability to create ever more machines, and not the living processes that actually give us life.
 
 
-2 # MichiganLiberal 2012-11-02 12:19
Chemtrails schmemtrails!

There is plenty to worry about (as Naomi's article suggests), but conspiracy theorists have been muddying the waters (or skies) for nearly two decades now with the notion that there's a massive on-going campaign on the part of the "New World Order" (substitute the conspiratorial synonym of your choice) to poison us all by dumping chemicals into our atmosphere. Some of them think it's geoengineering to reverse global warming, others are certain that it's an effort to dumb us all down and make more compliant "sheeple" of us. (They're trying to pollute our precious bodily fluids!)

But I'm an old phart, and I remember seeing contrails back in the 1950s that look exactly like the supposed "chemtrail" photos I see posted virtually every week on the Web. Every contrail contains the byproducts of jet fuel combustion and always has. No turbojet of which I'm aware is 100% efficient, and so there's always some amount of unburned hydrocarbons and soot mixed in with the water vapor CO2 and CO in jet exhaust. When the exhaust stream is laid-down in the stratosphere and lit a certain way (e.g., by sunlight from above) it tends to be brilliant white against a cobalt blue sky, but when it is back-lit you can see the filth that's in it -- the same old pollution that has ALWAYS been in it from the first launch of the first turbojet many decades ago.

So please, let's not confuse this very real and important issue with this "chemtrail" nonsense, okay?
 
 
+2 # Glen 2012-11-02 16:55
There was a time, MichiganLiberal , that space travel itself was beyond the ken of most human beings. How about robots and drones, computers, cell phones, the space shuttle, space stations, google earth, and much much more. The intent of technology has become militarized, as well, so there is no way to discount any motive on the part of the military, the U.S. government, or any other government.

If the atomic bomb could be devised, detonated, killing thousands, without anyone's permission, why not other forms of deadly technology?
 
 
+1 # Lowflyin Lolana 2012-11-07 22:51
Thank you Glen.

I was reading "The Fifties" by David Halberstam (great book) and it talks about the Manhattan Project setting off the Trinity test bomb. Apparently the scientists did not know whether the bomb might ignite all the oxygen in Earth's universe. They thought that it could do that.

They set it off anyway.

Searching for rationality and reason as motives is a waste of time when it comes to science like this.
 
 
+1 # Lowflyin Lolana 2012-11-07 22:52
That's funny because I can clearly see jets leaving fat trails, which cease leaving the very same fat trails, and continue on through the sky leaving trails that disperse quickly.

Then sometimes they resume leaving the fat trails.

Perhaps you have not watched the sky long enough to observe this. You might be surprised.
 

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