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Warren writes: "For months, the Trade Representative has refused any public access to the Trans-Pacific Partnership's composite bracketed text."

Sen. Elizabeth Warren speaks to reporters during a news conference, 05/02/12. (photo: Steven Senne/AP)
Sen. Elizabeth Warren speaks to reporters during a news conference, 05/02/12. (photo: Steven Senne/AP)


If People Knew What Was Going On, They Would Stop It

By Elizabeth Warren, Elizabeth Warren for Senate

28 June 13

 

We won't make the information public because if people knew what was going on, they would stop it.

hat's been the government's argument for not releasing the basic trade negotiation documents. Let me explain:

Trade agreements are important. They affect everything -- our imports and exports, wages, jobs, the environment, financial services, and even the Internet.

But if people can't follow the basic outline of the negotiations, then they can't have any real input into the process.

Right now the U.S. Trade Representative is negotiating a Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal with eleven countries, including Japan, Mexico, Canada, Singapore and Vietnam. For months, the Trade Representative has refused any public access to the Trans-Pacific Partnership's composite bracketed text – the language proposals being negotiated on by the United States and other countries.

I believe in transparency and democracy, and I think the U.S. Trade Representative should too. So I asked President Obama's nominee for U.S. Trade Representative, Michael Froman, three questions:

  1. Would he commit to releasing the composite bracketed text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership?

  2. If not, would he commit to releasing just a scrubbed version of the bracketed text that made anonymous which country proposed which provision? Even the Bush Administration put out the scrubbed version during negotiations around the Free Trade Area of the Americas agreement.

  3. Would he provide more transparency behind what information is made to the trade office's outside advisors? Currently, there are about 600 outside advisors that have access to sensitive information -- industry, labor, environmental groups and other NGO representatives. But there is no transparency around who gets what information and whether they all see the same things, and I think that's a real problem.

Mr. Froman's response was clear: No, no, no. He will not commit to make this information available so the public can track what is going on. For that reason, I voted against Michael Froman's nomination as U.S. Trade Representative on Wednesday.

I have heard the argument that transparency would undermine the Trade Representative's policy to complete the trade agreement because public opposition would be significant.

In other words, if people knew what was going on, they would stop it. This argument is exactly backwards. If transparency would lead to widespread public opposition to a trade agreement, then that trade agreement should not be the policy of the United States.

We need a new direction from the Trade Representative -- a direction that prioritizes transparency and public debate. The American people have the right to know more about the negotiations that will have dramatic impact on the future of the American economy.

Michael Froman was confirmed to his new position Wednesday night, but I'm not going to stop asking him the tough questions. We should have a serious conversation about our trade policies, because these issues matter. And it all starts with transparency from the U.S. Trade Representative.

 

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+137 # Buddha 2013-06-28 09:59
Which is why despite all his soaring rhetoric about caring about the working class, Obama is in fact just continuing the same old neo-liberal sell-out of the American working class that has been eviscerating our wages and manufacturing jobs for 4 decades. He can't be a "transformative leader" like he said he aspired to be if he is doing the same old thing that the GOP and the Dems have collectively done to the working class. These trade-partnersh ips only benefit the corporations themselves, open up more opportunities for off-shoring, and thus at the end of the day, are a huge boon to the Capital/Ownersh ip class who owns stock in these corporations. In other words, the top 10%, and mostly the top 1%. And thus the income/wealth disparity grows further.
 
 
+30 # brux 2013-06-28 13:07
> Which is why despite all his soaring rhetoric about caring about the working
> class, Obama is in fact just continuing the same old neo-liberal sell-out of
> the American working class that has been eviscerating our wages and
> manufacturing jobs for 4 decades.

i just can't disagree with that
 
 
+41 # BKnowswhitt 2013-06-28 15:10
Correct. This is the kind of sell out that they are all a part of. The New World Order and all of them think that they are above scrutiny, know better than you and I or whoever is out there wanting to know, and is the kind of rigged corporate welfare that this capitalist model uses government for. It's Republican form of economics that is responsible for our foreign & domestic policies of which the people have no right to know about. Though O is way better than the other side they are all playing this game ..
 
 
+28 # 666 2013-06-28 15:48
obama is a "transformative leader" alright: he's transforming us into a slave class
 
 
+165 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-06-28 10:09
Smart woman that Warren senator.
 
 
+4 # MidwesTom 2013-06-29 18:18
I wonder if she knows that the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, with which she was closely associated, is now busy collecting financial information on all of us; like all of our credit and debit card transactions, the amount in all of our accounts, who we write checks to, etc.
 
 
+4 # Kimberly999 2013-06-30 07:25
Banks & our government have been doing this for 2 decades now.
 
 
+165 # pbbrodie 2013-06-28 10:31
Unless we elect a whole lot more Elizabeth Warrens, we are in a completely lost cause!!!
 
 
+114 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-06-28 11:36
How about that! Senator Warren, a Harvard grad who has not only empathy for the working person but also walks the walk as well. Give that lady a salute!
 
 
+31 # tingletlc 2013-06-28 19:51
A former Harvard Law professor, but not a Harvard grad. (Bachelor's from University of Houston, JD from Rutgers.) Salute her anyway. She is one tough, smart cookie.
 
 
-2 # RLF 2013-07-01 03:47
We've seen nothing but arrogance and know-it-all-nes s from Harvard since the 70's.
 
 
+86 # dickbd 2013-06-28 11:59
I worry that the corporate powers will target her in the next election. They were against her before, but unlike Obama, she seems to be for real. So she is a special menace from their perspective.
 
 
+27 # The Ice Maiden 2013-06-29 05:16
In the end, we have to acknowledge this problem, and SEND MONEY to Elizabeth Warren so she can stay in office. In the last few years, I've sent in more campaign contributions than I sent in my entire lifetime, and every one of my candidates was elected. I don't care if the candidate is running for office in Kansas, while I live in NJ: if they appear to be enlightened (forgive me), I'm sending whatever $$ I can send. We have to put our money where our beliefs/princip les are.
 
 
+3 # hammermann 2013-07-01 16:44
Oh, they already targeted her, but it was Mass.- sweet New England as S+ G said. Brown was an aberration. Yeah, she's the real thing, and our only hope on chopping down the blanket power of the bankster criminals.
 
 
+114 # Barkingcarpet 2013-06-28 10:31
Policy is what governs our health and future. Most people seem to care not and are more interested in worthless bullshit assurances and homeland insecurity.
Ignorance and apathy are bliss, and it is just too much trouble to be involved, I guess, and hey "I got mine" and to heck with you, and who cares about anythings future, eh?
Endless Wars, Fukushima, Nuclear Wastes, Legitimate Rapist Bankers, G.M.O's. Fracking and the hits just keep on coming

We could create healthy systems, and take care of nature and each other, rather than supporting/allo wing psychopathic thugs and self serving hoodlums to inhabit most political or corporate offices.
I AM ashamed to be an American, and unless we begin to do better, soon,..... well, nature cares not a whit about our rules and laws which are laying waste to the ability of Nature to support our lives too much longer.
We ARE choosing, with every flip of the switch and every turn of the key, as we consume along in entitlement. Wake up and look around folks, and either get busy or kiss it all goodbuy.
 
 
+6 # kochadoodledoo 2013-06-29 04:53
Agree. We are doomed.
 
 
+7 # tbcrawford8 2013-06-29 08:47
Quoting kochadoodledoo:
Agree. We are doomed.


No, sir. We are choosing our future, eyes wide closed.
 
 
+5 # Rita Walpole Ague 2013-06-30 03:40
Great barking, Barkingcarpet. Hope your truthful barking wakes up loads of we the sheeple, and scares to hell the villainaire rulersm their pol. puppet whores, and their over 80,000 govt. operative 'army'. Lots and lots of 'barking' we've gotta do and action we've gotta take to...

UNDO THE COUP!
 
 
+3 # ProudPrimate 2013-06-30 20:29
Quoting Barkingcarpet:
We ARE choosing, with every flip of the switch and every turn of the key, as we consume along in entitlement. Wake up and look around folks, and either get busy or kiss it all goodbuy.


Amen to that. And the subject of Sen. Warren's remarks is for my money the direst threat we face this year, or probably this decade.

http://www.proudprimate.com/placards/placards.htm#tpp
 
 
+63 # jon 2013-06-28 10:38
I guess Mr. Froman does not understand the definition of the word "representative " - or - he does not represent the American people.

Either way, he should not have been confirmed. I would like to see how the confirmation votes went.
 
 
+27 # fdawei 2013-06-28 16:33
Jon, but he is a "representative "...for the corporations and those who will benefit from these secretive negotiations.
 
 
+12 # kochadoodledoo 2013-06-29 04:57
He is as much a representative for the ignorant, apathetic, victims of comfort who continue to allow such tyranny of our government.
 
 
+10 # tingletlc 2013-06-28 20:05
Believe it or not, only four votes against confirmation: Warren, Sanders, Levin, Manchin.
 
 
+33 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-06-28 10:42
I know this is an unrelated topic. But not unrelated to Sentor Warren's work. Few days ago, Lorraine Brown, CEO of Lendor Processing was sentenced to 5 years in prison + two years of supervised release as her firm generated 60 million dollars of revenue between 2003 and 2009. How? By robo-signing and generating false real estate/mortgage documents. Bloomberg said her firm "processed" 1,000,000 documents. Her fine? $15,000. Hmmm? Anyone can check this out by accessing this information on their computer address bar.
 
 
+51 # jbell94521 2013-06-28 11:31
Quoting Eldon J. Bloedorn:
I know this is an unrelated topic. but not unrelated to Sentor Warren's work. Few days ago, Lorraine Brown, CEO of Lendor Processing was sentenced to 5 years in prison + two years of supervised release as her firm generated 60 million dollars of revenue between 2003 and 2009. How? By robo-signing and generating false real estate/mortgage documents. Bloomberg said her firm "processed" 1,000,000 documents. Her fine? $15,000. Anyone can check this out by accessing this information on their computer address bar.


This is sort of off-topic, but it is an example of the overall problem that we have in our society. The way things are currently structured, CRIME DOES PAY. And that is a huge problem. I think there should be a Federal Law that say in essence, that if you knowingly commit fraud for financial gain, there the MINIMUM fine is 3 times the profit gleaned from the fraud. That might actually make a difference. Then any money accumulated through such fines ought to first be distributed to make full restitution to those directly harmed by the fraud, then any surplus used to publish the full details of these acts of fraud, and towards better regulation and enforcement.
 
 
+16 # The Ice Maiden 2013-06-29 05:25
jbell94521 - Sadly, you are so right. The penalties meted out to kids who steal a bottle of soda from the local 7-11 are often more severe than the penalties imposed upon individuals who - in pursuit of profit and the approval of their bosses - ruin the financial lives of other citizens.
 
 
+52 # jbell94521 2013-06-28 11:32
Bless Elizabeth Warren for her courage, commitment and integrity, not to mention her wisdom and clear thinking and speaking. She is amazing. We really need more like her, or we are sunk. Meanwhile, we should all pressure our Representatives and Senators who did not and do not support her. They need to know that their jobs and entire careers are at very real risk.
 
 
+31 # NOMINAE 2013-06-28 16:18
Quoting jbell94521:
Bless Elizabeth Warren ..... Meanwhile, we should all pressure our Representatives and Senators ... They need to know that their jobs and entire careers are at very real risk.


Totally agree in re: Sen. Warren.

However, as to most Representatives and Senators, their careers are at NO risk from the voters. The revolving door policy with Wall Street and Defense Contractors simply means that if these people DO get voted out of office, they simply go to, (or BACK to), the corporate world where they are SLATHERED in money.

Then, a few years later, when the "heat" dies down, they re-emerge into Politics and public office once again. Look at Larry Summers and Tim Geithner. They CAME from Goldmann Sachs into Obama's cabinet, and thence BACK to Goldmann Sachs.

Even if our votes WERE fairly counted (what a joke) the game is STILL fixed against the voter. That's why these politicians don't BOTHER to listen to a *THING* the voters say. They simply don't WORK FOR the voters. They work for the Giant Corporations.

And if Pols are new to Government they are INCREDIBLY careful to AVOID cheesing-off ANY corporation, because the REAL career, and the REAL money, and the REAL power accrues when these windbags rotate OUT of government, and INTO the Corporate World, where it is the Pol's Government CONTACTS that are being purchased by the Corporations. Access. Lobbying power. Cashing in on whom you know.

They are NOT afraid of the voter.
 
 
+7 # Grimstad 2013-06-29 09:18
Her fine? $15,000.

I found this a little puzzling as the 5 years in prison is the more important punishment. I presume she'd be happier to pay $150,000 or more (depending upon her financial situation) to losing five years on The Street.

More important to me is whether she will actually serve so much as one day. The sentencing gets all the news, but when it is set aside, no one notices.
 
 
0 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-01 20:52
I'll keep track, see how it all pans out on sentencing. Keep a note on my bulletin board. Regards, Eldon
 
 
+13 # Paul Scott 2013-06-28 10:52
Transparency) Definition for this government: To the extent that somebody deems needy, through a BS court under their control; called FISA, will intrude into any citizen’s life and call it protecting the nation against a foreign enemy.
 
 
+64 # Beverly 2013-06-28 11:05
I say we can only Thank God we have a Representative such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren. She represents exactly WHAT and WHERE and WHEN our representation takes a proper concern for us, the citizens!!!! Thank you, Elizabeth Warren!!
Beverly Smith
 
 
+30 # bikewriter 2013-06-28 11:08
Everything I have heard about the TPP sounds like a disaster for everyone except the high rollers behind it. It will not stand up to the light of day. http://www.triplepundit.com/2012/07/trans-pacific-partnership-threatens-environment-economy-american-sovereignty/
 
 
+14 # jky1291 2013-06-28 11:08
We can't get someone, who will represent the citizens of this nation by nominating honorable candidates to fill government positions, into the White House fast enough!
 
 
+49 # Agricanto 2013-06-28 11:10
Here's one of the major reasons we need Elizabeth Warren in government. She has brought light on one of the most secretive and opaque trade deals ever considered. It gives corporations in other countries the right to sue the US government in US courts in order to vacate regulations and anything they deem gets in the way of profits. It opens the door to the privatization of the Internet. It gives advantages to countries with weak labor laws and highly exploitative labor conditions. The entire deal is written by corporations. And it's. much worse than NAFTA or other recent trade deals.
 
 
+22 # NOMINAE 2013-06-28 16:29
Quoting Agricanto:
Here's one of the major reasons we need Elizabeth Warren in government. She has brought light on one of the most secretive and opaque trade deals ever considered. It gives corporations in other countries the right to sue the US government in US courts in order to vacate regulations and anything they deem gets in the way of profits. It opens the door to the privatization of the Internet. It gives advantages to countries with weak labor laws and highly exploitative labor conditions. The entire deal is written by corporations. And it's. much worse than NAFTA or other recent trade deals.


*SO* true, and, under one name or another (SPP, etc), TPP has been around for a VERY long time. They remain so secret that, whenever someone figures out their name, they CHANGE IT !

It is just ASTOUNDING that a freshman Senator like Ms. Warren starts *OUT* by taking on the BIGGEST DOGS on the BLOCK !

No matter WHAT the eventual outcome, Sen. Warren, you are an INSPIRATION to the WORLD and the absolute apotheosis of what it USED TO MEAN to be BE an American !

You are, in a word ..... incomparable !

Your Country (perhaps minus it's dysfunctional government) could not BE *MORE* proud of you !
 
 
+21 # Douglas Jack 2013-06-28 11:19
Thank you Elizabeth for keeping us informed even in Canada. The Conservative party here in Canada is tightening media through their control over 95% of private broadcasters. Even our public Canadian Broadcasting Corporation now has at least 50% content designed to indoctrinate the public for war. On the regular news we only hear the war report, never hearing from the Syrian government, before from the Libyan government, before from Tunisia, Egypt, Afghani's etc. Typically reports are sourced from one side who also give opinion on what the other side are saying.
It seems that Dwight Eisenhower a rabid war dog himself, is the only president to discuss the Military industrial Complex openly. We now know with the patterns of false-flag incidents, massive resource-approp riation & consumption, 40% of the US, Canadian, NATO & Israeli export economy based in war & endless wars that; war is US. Elizabeth Warren's discussion here about Trans-Pacific Partnership is welcome, but many of us realize that the extent of the deception is complete & deep.
If Representative Warren can bring both sides together in debate so the US public can hear both-sides & encourage the public to engage each other in formal debate dialogues, then we can begin to build upon our strengths & view our issues together. Gandhi's 'Satyagraha' = 'truth-search', a process of hearing & appreciation. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues
 
 
+7 # NOMINAE 2013-06-28 16:59
Quoting Douglas Jack:

It seems that Dwight Eisenhower a rabid war dog himself, is the only president to discuss the Military industrial Complex openly.


You make, as you often do, some very cogent points, and indeed we can all thank Eisenhower for his warning (largely ignored) in re: the Military Industrial Complex.

Beyond that point, however, your characterizatio n of Eisenhower as a "rabid war dog" is more than a bit naive. WWII is the last legal War in which the U.S. has engaged.

WWII was NOT a "war of choice". Had it not been for Commanders like DDE, Britain, and all of it's minions, including Canada and Australia, would now be speaking German. (Or Japanese in the case of Australia).

Refer to a history book to note the gargantuan effort launched by Churchill to persuade Roosevelt to bring the U.S. into the war. The war in Europe (including Canadian Troops) started in 1939.

The U.S. entered only at the end of 1941 after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Eisenhower, far from being a "rabid war dog" heavily contributed to saving *your* country's Canadian Bacon, and that of the REST of the world while he was about it, via STRATEGY. Not rabidity.

It might be appropriate to show some typical Canadian class by being respectful, if not actually being grateful, for that fact.

If nothing else, it would also demonstrate at least a rudimentary grasp of recent world History.
 
 
+2 # Douglas Jack 2013-06-29 07:42
Nominae, Thanks for the opportunity, considering humanity hitting the wall of perpetual-war & a planet's dying biosphere, to address this critical & fundamental misread of history.

In perspective, WW2 was a culmination of centuries of genocide with the death of 100s of millions of mostly indigenous peoples. Britain, France, Netherlands, USA, Canada, Russia, Germany, Italy & Japan in particular were right in the middle of a horrendous range of oppression including forced kidnapping of 1st Nation children to Tuberculosis infected Residential Schools. 100s of 1000s of children died during that period. Allies killed millions of children & adults during this time.

Germany was part of & responding to a Finance-Media-M ilitary-Industr ial-Complex, which had bankrupted a 'depressed' world & in particular a corrupt finance bank cabal which continues to this day. Finance being the blood of human economic relations & sustenance is involved in murdering millions even as we speak. Even with some Jewish roots in my family, I acknowledge Hitler is right about disproportionat e Jewish monetary influence, although his extreme violent reaction only added to moneyed violence. Mohandas Gandhi attempted to engage world leaders at that time in Satyagraha (Hindi 'truth-search') . Bringing together leaders & citizens in open equal-time recorded & published dialogues is key to understanding the truth of the situation we are in. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/2-satyagraha
 
 
+2 # Doubter 2013-07-01 15:59
I will repeat my statement that the same bankers & industrialists financed & profited from ALL participants in our "good war." Death & destruction are simple "collateral damage" in the relentless pursuit of profit.
The language spoken by the plebes makes no difference to the aforementioned bankers & industrialists - as long as they are controlling and milking us/them. (WWII vet)
 
 
+6 # oakes721 2013-06-28 11:23
In an OPEN Society some Closed Captions might be a useful feature to help distinguish which noise hides what fact from We, the People ~ while these political noisemakers like Michael Froman are hollering "Giddy-up!" toward the end of civilization... offering nothing but distractions and obfuscation and darkness where there should be light.
 
 
+6 # pdjmoo 2013-06-28 11:29
Good on you Elizabeth. For the readers, it is much worse than you think. It's ALL the Trade deals Obama is negotiating that will put us into Corporate Governance - and he's been quietly passing executive orders in preparation for this corporate coup d-etat. Here's why:
OBAMA'S NEW SECRETIVE TRADE PACTS WILL IMPACT US ALL. THREATENS SOVEREIGNTY AND PUBLIC OWNERSHIP http://sco.lt/74uPth
 
 
+4 # NOMINAE 2013-06-28 17:01
Quoting pdjmoo:
Good on you Elizabeth. For the readers, it is much worse than you think. It's ALL the Trade deals Obama is negotiating that will put us into Corporate Governance - and he's been quietly passing executive orders in preparation for this corporate coup d-etat. Here's why:
OBAMA'S NEW SECRETIVE TRADE PACTS WILL IMPACT US ALL. THREATENS SOVEREIGNTY AND PUBLIC OWNERSHIP http://sco.lt/74uPth


The above commentator is NOT joking, folks. The TPP is committed to everything this person mentions and MORE !
 
 
+15 # Vardoz 2013-06-28 11:51
We have already emailed and called the Obama hot line protesting the tpp and its potential for abuse and non accountability to the health, safety and welfare of our citizens and threat to our environment. Everyone should speak out. The cat is out of the bag. Time to speak out. 202-456-1111 or whitehouse.gov this combined with Citizens United and The recent ruling to weaken the VRA poses a serious threat to our society and all of our health, safety and welfare- even to those idiots who support this abuseive and aggressive partnership.
 
 
+17 # reiverpacific 2013-06-28 11:53
Looks like another job for the government-desp ised Winkileaks, what?
And people say whistle-blowers are "Traitors"!!! What about this travesty of hubristic, patronizing, pat-on-the-wris t and; "Now don't you fuss none, we'll take care of stuff -just keep sending your taxes in"!
Or more strongly-put "Shut up and mind your own business (even if THIS is part of it); who d'you think you are anyway, a human being with right to know what your government does with y'r money"?
 
 
+9 # Shorey13 2013-06-28 11:56
We can be thankful for Elizabeth Warren, but if she really thinks that "if people knew what is going on, they would stop it," I got bad news for her, "People" have exactly ZERO ability to stop ANYTHING the government is doing. ZERO. The fact that she and Bernie Sanders and a couple of others actually represent us in nice, but essentially useless. As matters now stand, the people are powerless.
 
 
+6 # NOMINAE 2013-06-28 17:05
Quoting Shorey13:
We can be thankful for Elizabeth Warren, but if she really thinks that "if people knew what is going on, they would stop it," I got bad news for her, "People" have exactly ZERO ability to stop ANYTHING the government is doing. ZERO. The fact that she and Bernie Sanders and a couple of others actually represent us in nice, but essentially useless. As matters now stand, the people are powerless.


"SHE" doesn't "think that". She shares that as the excuse she gets from the SECURITY STATE for NOT allowing the Citizenry in on these meetings, plans, and developments.

So, great rant - wrong premise !
 
 
-4 # arquebus 2013-06-28 12:20
Just a thought on jobs. First, let's keep in mind that we have the largest industrial economy in the world by factor of 3 (The next Hundred Years, Geo Friedman). The sky is not falling.

Second, most industrial and white collar jobs are not being displaced offshore. They are just disappearing--p eriod. And the reason they are disappearing is because of machines such as the ones we are using to read this article. No longer does a human put lug nuts on new cars--a machine does it; no longer does a human use a spray gun to paint new cars--it is done by a computer driven paint machine (that does a better job than the human ever did).

You can't address ills unless you see them for what they are instead of what you hope them to be.
 
 
+11 # tomwalker8 2013-06-28 13:49
Well, without categorizing which kinds of jobs are being outsourced (check this link for that: http://www.statisticbrain.com/outsourcing-statistics-by-country/), in 2011 2,273,392 US jobs were outsourced. In 2011 around 14 million were unemployed, but unemployment is cumulative, not discretely annual. In other words, a portion of unemployment in one year becomes unemployment in the next. By contrast, outsourced jobs accumulate from year to year in toto, not in some proportion. Yes, some jobs have disappeared altogether, but to think that outsourcing is a trivial issue where unemployment (and stagnating/decl ining incomes) is concerned is to view things as "you hope them to be."
 
 
+12 # reiverpacific 2013-06-28 15:14
Quoting arquebus:
Just a thought on jobs. First, let's keep in mind that we have the largest industrial economy in the world by factor of 3 (The next Hundred Years, Geo Friedman). The sky is not falling.

Second, most industrial and white collar jobs are not being displaced offshore. They are just disappearing--period. And the reason they are disappearing is because of machines such as the ones we are using to read this article. No longer does a human put lug nuts on new cars--a machine does it; no longer does a human use a spray gun to paint new cars--it is done by a computer driven paint machine (that does a better job than the human ever did).

You can't address ills unless you see them for what they are instead of what you hope them to be.

Actually, many white-collar jobs -especially high-tech, medical and engineering are being "in-sourced" to Indian engineers who get a good British-style education then come here to work for less than American graduates are accustomed to -but it's still a corporate state ruse to get as much as possible for as little as can be squeezed out of their greedy coffer.
I see government-fund ed renovation of infrastructure and foreclosed housing as a way to put both professionals and labor back to work if there was the political will and less corporate socialism; how many bridge collapses or sink holes will it take to get the attention of the power-elite?
 
 
+1 # tbcrawford8 2013-06-29 08:59
You can't address ills unless you see them ...
Whole point of not knowing what's in TPP is exactly this...we can't respond! And frankly, we are condemning the wrong "traitors". I feel betrayed ... and stupid for even believing some of the lies.
 
 
-12 # skipb48 2013-06-28 13:51
While I agree that transparency is important and I do appreciate Senator Warren, I'm not so sure full transparency works during negotiations. All sides need to be able to explore options in a studious manner which would not be possible once public politics gets involved. The Founding Fathers recognized this when they made the discussions secret during the Constitutional Convention of 1787.
The end product is what needs to be debated by the public.
 
 
+12 # tonenotvolume 2013-06-28 16:47
Skip - "The end product is what needs to be debated by the public". What, after the fact? After the deals are done, the mischief made, and payout is passed? One of the reasons corporations and administrations get away with the practices ruining our society and this country is because of the head-in-sand attitude displayed by your sense of fairness and proper negotiation etiquette. BTW, your Founding Father comparison forgets the secret discussions to allow (Sorry, not prevent)slavery . Stop being so innocent and start learning about the many ways our leadership is misleading us.
 
 
-2 # skipb48 2013-06-28 20:48
Tonenotvolumme,
Your history is not quite accurate. The 3/5s compromise was in the document proposed for the new government and was public and debated before the it was ratified to become our constitution. We do not need to approve or disapprove of all the discussions - only the end product. Had that convention not been secrete there would not have been a United States of America at all and we would be a bunch of small relatively insignificant countries today.
 
 
+2 # jky1291 2013-06-29 20:44
And at the rate of decline to which this nation is being subjected by the greed and corruption of the 1% employed government, there will be nothing left worth calling the United States of America by the end of the decade, if we fail to stand up against the betrayal and treason being perpetrated by the wealthy corporate owned "representative s" who are destroying all hope that "government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth."
 
 
+5 # soularddave 2013-06-28 18:47
I'm wondering if it would have been useful to know and debate more of the details on NAFTA before it became operational. Maybe the details were out there, and I just missed or ignored the discussion. In retrospect, it seems to me, like NAFTA isn't working out so well in every respect.
 
 
+3 # Douglas Jack 2013-06-29 08:24
The public in 1787 was still majority First Nations. Genocidal colonists were busy at both people & ecological destruction on a massive scale. Colonists massively lowered 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generatin g') Polyculture Orchard productivity, drying lakes & rivers, destroying inherent wildlife habitat as well as starting in hemispheric wars. Colonists became slave to the scarcity, which they created. While institutional 'exogenous' (L 'other-generate d') empire may win through secrecy, culture always loses. Your argument that; "The end product is what needs to be debated . . ." has been one which has made us permanent addicts to intrigue. Marshall McLuhan's "The Medium is the Message" has a wealth of understanding for all of us. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/design/1-indigenous-welcome-orchard-food-production-efficiencies

As there's never been formal immigration into these sovereign 1st nations, all invaders are illegal aliens in this destroyed land. Strange that; 60% of old families here have 1st Nation blood & 85% of 1st Nations have mixed blood, but we have all become strangers in a strange land as we engage in inappropriate imported 'processes' headed by a Finance Cabal which is completely out of touch with reality from their: space-stations, gated-communiti es, cottages, resort palaces & war-rooms. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy/7-nuclear-war-detached-housing
 
 
+4 # randrjwr 2013-06-29 13:09
Quoting skipb48:
......
The end product is what needs to be debated by the public.


Your last sentence makes sense ONLY if there is the opportunity to have a real debate AND for the outcome of that debate to change the "end product." Without the ability to effect change, debate is of little use.

That said, I am still troubled by the idea of negotiations taking place in such secrecy. If things are said which the public would find so objectionable, should they be said (or even thought) at all? And should the person(s) saying or thinking even be there? This applies whether the parties are governments, corporations or both.

Let us recall that a few years ago Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs infamy said (quote may not be exact, but it is close): "It is not the bank's duty to watch out for the public good." It seems that all big-shot CEOs and too many government leaders (under the sway of the corporations) believe the same. So if the parties aren't watching out for us, who is (or should)? The corporations' answer is obviously "nobody," as we saw in their rabid hostility to Elizabeth Warren as Consumer Protection leader, as well as Holder's excuses for not prosecuting wrongdoers in the finance and banking industry.

We need transparency so we know what we are up against and many more leaders like Senator Warren (who, herself, apparently, DOES NOT KNOW what is in the trade agreement under negotiation) who will fight for us once the facts are known.
 
 
+10 # giraffee2012 2013-06-28 15:38
The GOP does not seem to be together so Hilary may be our next President. But will she be any different than the last 2 (Bush/Obama)?

We need Senator Warren, Bernie Sanders, and a few more good ones in Congress - but we also need one of these to be our next President.

Meanwhile - vote out the old Reps/Senators bc they are all in bed with the lobbyists/money (bought and paid for)

I hope Anthony Weiner returns to Congress (and I don't care about his private life because he was also FOR the people) and would stand up to the creeps who were BSing in the House, etc.
 
 
+7 # seeuingoa 2013-06-28 17:48
"If people knew....."

WE DO !

That´s why we want you and Bernhard on
the same ticket in 2016.
 
 
+2 # dogday 2013-06-28 20:09
Sure, elizabeth is good, but I'm afraid it is way too little and way too late. We need REVOLUTION to nationalize (re-nationlize) energy, defense, corrections, education, and make a citizen army only. The revolutionary cry should be "Everyone works and everyone gets paid!" Passive income is not work, so the rich will have to find a job. The unemployed will be put to work on infrastructure projects.
 
 
+1 # Cdesignpdx 2013-06-28 21:55
Interesting post: Brief on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).
It is a document that the country of Malaysia has produced that outlines their disputes with certain chapters of the agreement.
Reading between the lines is critical here. Recognizing the issues this document raises (in consideration of Malaysia's social and economic status), tell quite a bit about what this agreement means, not for populations, but for corporate structures. Plus, I hate the document's much-referenced "liberalization ." Think neoliberal economics on steroids.
Here is a link to the pdf: http://www.miti.gov.my/cms/storage/documents/c94/com.tms.cms.document.Document_62357eea-c0a8156f-2c11008e-9a1ecbed/1/TPP%20-%20Briefing%20Notes.pdf
 
 
+2 # AreYouMadEnoughYet 2013-06-29 00:12
This is the crux of the matter: They are on the rampage. We are on the run and most of us are completely oblivious. Whether it is trade, banking, nsa, all of the rest; let's just fire all fo them who don't follow Warren's lead. Sure, we can only thank God, but we need to replace everyone who doesn't match her standards, and that requires a wake up of the nation. It also probably means we need to shut down the office of president and vp for about four years - no 'leaders' they are all crooks - let us put congress on the hot seat and make them fix it - and no other distractions. That would get everyone's attention anyhow.
And every appointment and other position in govt should also be shut down for at least five to ten years. No appointments, no nothing. Clean it up first or we don't play and EVERYONE goes home.
 
 
+3 # AreYouMadEnoughYet 2013-06-29 01:08
So much to undo and fix here.

First, the Constitution was done in secret because of the commerce clause. Get educated and go to Tom Lindsey's democracy schools to get that part right.

Second, nothing done in secret comes to any good for anyone ever it is just part of what they have taught you is what is necessary but for whom and to what end?

Third,, no ticket, no election will solve this. We have to take this all the way to the point where it is all laughable and everyone sees the charade for what it is. At that point it will take some time for something new to evolve that will more accurately reflect what the people want. But that will not happen in a vaccuum and a whole lot of other shit that no one wants to admit will happen will happen first. It won't be pretty.
 
 
+4 # AreYouMadEnoughYet 2013-06-29 01:10
We either wake up or we die. Most of us will die. Some of us are awake and will not die because we are already doing things to protect our bodies, provide for ourselves outside of the system and join together with others to begin to create the next way of being in the world. A way that sees what is happening for what it is and turns away, not with a fight, or determined to stop what is happening 'out there' because we know we cannot; but instead honors life and works every day to support and uplift the living breathing pulsing life that is here, working in it to help it thrive in spite of any or all of these obstacles..

We protect our bodies and the nature we are able to influence from the invasion. We step away from that which is 'going on' in the mass media/4th dimension world of 'mass consciousness/a ll of us" and instead move inward and outward on the personal level, doing what works and causes a flourishing of life where we are. Regardless of circum stance or predicament.

When a society is so engaged in the world as to promote death as the solution, then most of that society will die.
Right now, we are that society, and most of us will die.
Why? Because so few of us areis brave enough or willing enough to admit that this is where we are and what we have become.
 
 
+2 # AreYouMadEnoughYet 2013-06-29 01:30
I should probably point out that we all die, eventually; that is not the point. When we embrace a social order that glorifies death, we all die, some sooner than others, but in the end, the culture itself dies, and what is born out of that depends on how many of us survive that great death. It's not hard to comprehend, it is logical. It's hard to face, perhaps, but then, death is something we as a culture have never faced well. It's not the end, it's simply a tranformation.
 
 
-1 # Mainiac 2013-06-29 05:52
Why doesn’t Elizabeth Warren read into the record the Trans-Pacific Agreement like Rep. Alan Grayson did in the House? THAT would be helpful.
And if Warren were president she would take us to war against Iran because she supports Israel to the hilt. A lot of people have not done their homework in regard to Warren.
 
 
-1 # Douglas Jack 2013-06-29 09:35
Mainiac, Here is a Warren diatribe from Liberals-for-Is rael, which support your warning about Elizabeth. http://www.liberalsforisrael.org/elizabeth-warren-on-israel-and-iran.html It sounds like she can 'live-with' colonial Israel's anti-Semite imposed-state-r eligion Palestinian genocide. She does not put these human issues into perspective for either Palestine-Israe l or for Iran, for which she indulges in a 'hate-fest'. Its too bad that politicians are so easily bought or at least dumb-down their human side in a time when humanity needs clear strong voices to embrace the other. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/9-right-to-bare-arms
 
 
0 # Douglas Jack 2013-07-01 12:39
From a 24th May, 2013 GMO discussion, I just came upon Elizabeth's refusal to ratify compulsory GMO labelling. "She joined 27 Democrats from across the political spectrum-- from good ones like Tammy Baldwin, Tom Harkin and Sherrod Brown to the careful careerists like Kirsten Gillibrand, Bob Casey, Debbie Stabenow, and Jeanne Shaheen all the way to the worst worthless trash in the Democratic caucus like Joe Donnelly, Mark Pryor and Max Baucus-- to vote down an amendment by Bernie Sanders to permit States to require that any food, beverage, or other edible product offered for sale have a label on indicating that the food, beverage, or other edible product contains a genetically engineered ingredient." Yep, only 26 Democrats plus Alaska Republican Lisa Murkowski supported a bill to deal with GMO foods." - See more at: http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.ca/2013/05/gmo-no-one-is-perfect-not-even.html#sthash.7lOtmp5b.dpuf

It would seem that Elizabeth's institutionally inspired ignorance about GMO's arise from a huge colonial ignorance about 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generatin g') 3-dimensional Polyculture Orchard food production efficiencies at 100 times or 10,000% more productivity than 2-D 'agriculture' (L 'ager' = 'field') for food, materials, energy & water-cycle. While Elizabeth's heart may be in the right place, perhaps she drinks too much kool-aid. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/design/1-indigenous-welcome-orchard-food-production-efficiencies
 
 
0 # Douglas Jack 2013-07-01 13:11
Ooopss my mistake (I hope). From the same article

UPDATE: Elizabeth Warren Supports GMO-Labeling

Her Press Secretary, Lacey Rose gave me this statement after the vote yesterday: "The Senator supports labeling and supports the rights of states to set labeling standards based on health and safety. She supports the purpose of the Sanders amendment but voted no because the proposal would have eliminated the ability of the FDA to force states to comply with a more pro-consumer standard in the future."
- See more at: http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.ca/2013/05/gmo-no-one-is-perfect-not-even.html#sthash.7lOtmp5b.dpuf
 
 
+2 # ProudPrimate 2013-07-01 05:49
The same is certainly true for Grayson — http://maxblumenthal.com/2009/12/progressive-hero-alan-graysons-secret-life-as-an-aipac-tool/

But there are no perfect candidates. Any help against the TPP at this point must be looked upon as a sign of possible survival against certain destruction of our country.
 
 
+1 # hwgoldson 2013-06-29 07:03
So how can those of us who agree with Senator Warren come together to form a political alliance to advocate for the things we express on this wonderful site?
 
 
+3 # FDRva 2013-06-29 09:22
None of this would have ever happened had the sainted Barack Obama won the 2012 election, right?

Three cheers for the unprincipled 'evil of 2 lessers' approach to voting.

Instead of the usual Bush fascism--we got 'Bush in Black-face' fascism.

Multi-cultural fascism--how very 'progressive.'

God Bless the NSA.
 
 
+3 # Kathymoi 2013-06-29 13:42
Where is the line between the US government and Monsanto? Show me the line.
 
 
+3 # NOMINAE 2013-06-29 18:20
Quoting Kathymoi:
Where is the line between the US government and Monsanto? Show me the line.


Monsanto
____________ (line)

Government

End of Flow Chart
 
 
+2 # RnR 2013-06-30 04:36
Look, under no circumstances should the shills parading around in Washington as "experts" be allowed to agree to ***anything*** without total transparency. That is the fear, that we'll find out exactly who is pocketing **our** money and how badly they're screwing us over. One World Government marches onward with Barack Hussein at the helm.

This has to stop. Monsanto has to stop because Monsanto is integral to the plan.
 
 
+3 # John Escher 2013-06-30 05:23
The first of the many lessons to be gained from this is that the Obama administration has failed or is failing in public communication. Barry and his buddies take the worst corporate view that all significant business is best accomplished behind closed doors where it won't be challenged. And go after every whistleblower! Skewer him or her! Marginalization can sometimes be accomplished too, but for less expense, in their view. These people could not care less about democracy (a form of idealism) or a free and informed press and electorate.
 
 
+2 # hutchr 2013-06-30 10:00
I have just finished unsubscribing to all info e-mails that I get from different Democrats in both houses and any other Democratic groups. In the ones that ask why I am unsubscribing, including one from Elizabeth Warren, I have said that I have had it with all Democrats and that, though I have never voted for a Republican and only once for a Democrat, I will never be taken in again by such as Obama and Feinstein who seem to be further to the Right than Bush was and that I won't vote for any Democrats. After reading Warren's article, I have decided that I will more carefully pick among candidates and may vote for the odd Democrat who appears to not be a slave either to the party or the economic slavers who run the country.
 
 
+3 # Walter J Smith 2013-06-30 12:49
This is clearly a popular article, and it is also clearly eliciting a fair amount of public commment, if not all deliberation.

I admire Elizabeth Warren for all her effort on our behalf to reclaim our ancient democratic republic from the imperial plutocrats, kleptocrats, and bureaucrats.

I admire her particularly for having published this article.

And I found difficulty believing the very first sentence: "We won't make the information public because if people knew what was going on, they would stop it." I, too, want to believe this. And there is much evidence, particularly in certain circles, the statement is true.

Unfortunately, the polls tell a different story. Most of our fellow and sister Americans prefer their couch potato selves to their citizen selves.

Not to worry, though. Read Leopold Kohr: The Breakdown of Nations, 1957. Though a little of the book's content is dated, most of it is still very relevant, perhaps more obviously so than it was when I first read the book in the early 1980s.

The US Congress is stalled now, as is the Administrative Branch, because it is attempting to do the impossible: efficiently manage an unmanageable economy.

The SCOTUS is also staggering all over the judicial map and off it, because it is hopelessly lost as a result of having abandoned its anchor, the US Constitution.

Our economy is stagnant because only the top 5% most wealthy are having economic growth.
 
 
+1 # ghostperson 2013-07-01 23:48
Our trade representative cannot reveal what he is negotiating for us because it would provoke massive opposition?

Duh, asshole, if we would oppose it, don't do it.

We did we elect this new layer of royalty answerable to no one?

One must assume from these facts that he is negotiating benefits for the other side at our expense. 86 the a-hole!
 

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