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Greenwald writes: "In my first substantive discussion with Edward Snowden, which took place via encrypted online chat, he told me he had only one fear. It was that the disclosures he was making, momentous though they were, would fail to trigger a worldwide debate."

Edward Snowden speaking to the South China Morning Post. (photo: South China Morning Post)
Edward Snowden speaking to the South China Morning Post. (photo: South China Morning Post)



Snowden's Worst Fear Has Not Been Realised - Thankfully

By Glenn Greenwald, Guardian UK

15 June 13

n my first substantive discussion with Edward Snowden, which took place via encrypted online chat, he told me he had only one fear. It was that the disclosures he was making, momentous though they were, would fail to trigger a worldwide debate because the public had already been taught to accept that they have no right to privacy in the digital age.

Snowden, at least in that regard, can rest easy. The fallout from the Guardian's first week of revelations is intense and growing.

If "whistleblowing" is defined as exposing secret government actions so as to inform the public about what they should know, to prompt debate, and to enable reform, then Snowden's actions are the classic case.

US polling data, by itself, demonstrates how powerfully these revelations have resonated. Despite a sustained demonization campaign against him from official Washington, a Time magazine poll found that 54% of Americans believe Snowden did "a good thing", while only 30% disagreed. That approval rating is higher than the one enjoyed by both Congress and President Obama.

While a majority nonetheless still believes he should be prosecuted, a plurality of Americans aged 18 to 34, who Time says are "showing far more support for Snowden's actions", do not. Other polls on Snowden have similar results, including a Reuters finding that more Americans see him as a "patriot" than a "traitor".

On the more important issue � the public's views of the NSA surveillance programs � the findings are even more encouraging from the perspective of reform. A Gallup poll last week found that more Americans disapprove (53%) than approve (37%) of the two NSA spying programs revealed last week by the Guardian.

As always with polling data, the results are far from conclusive or uniform. But they all unmistakably reveal that there is broad public discomfort with excessive government snooping and that the Snowden-enabled revelations were met with anything but the apathy he feared.

But, most importantly of all, the stories thus far published by the Guardian are already leading to concrete improvements in accountability and transparency. The ACLU quickly filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging the legality, including the constitutionality, of the NSA's collection of the phone records of all Americans. The US government must therefore now defend the legality of its previously secret surveillance program in open court.

These revelations have also had serious repercussions in Congress. The NSA and other national security state officials have been forced to appear several times already for harsh and hostile questioning before various committees.

To placate growing anger over having been kept in the dark and misled, the spying agency gave a private briefing to rank-and-file members of Congress about programs of which they had previously been unaware. Afterward, Democratic Rep Loretta Sanchez warned that the NSA programs revealed by the Guardian are just "the tip of the iceberg". She added: "I think it's just broader than most people even realize, and I think that's, in one way, what astounded most of us, too."

It is hardly surprising, then, that at least some lawmakers are appreciative rather than scornful of these disclosures. Democratic Sen Jon Tester was quite dismissive of the fear-mongering from national security state officials, telling MSNBC that "I don't see how [what Snowden did] compromises the security of this country whatsoever". He added that, despite being a member of the Homeland Security Committee, "quite frankly, it helps people like me become aware of a situation that I wasn't aware of before".

These stories have also already led to proposed legislative reforms. A group of bipartisan senators introduced a bill which, in their words, "would put an end to the 'secret law' governing controversial government surveillance programs" and "would require the Attorney General to declassify significant Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) opinions, allowing Americans to know how broad of a legal authority the government is claiming to spy on Americans under the Patriot Act and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act".

The disclosures also portend serious difficulties for the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, and NSA chief, Keith Alexander. As the Guardian documented last week, those officials have made claims to Congress � including that they do not collect data on millions of Americans and that they are unable to document the number of Americans who are spied upon � that are flatly contradicted by their own secret documents.

This led to one senator, Ron Wyden, issuing a harshly critical statement explaining that the Senate's oversight function "cannot be done responsibly if senators aren't getting straight answers to direct questions", and calling for "public hearings" to "address the recent disclosures and the American people have the right to expect straight answers from the intelligence leadership to the questions asked by their representatives".

One well-respected-in-Washington national security writer, Slate's centrist Fred Kaplan, has called for Clapper's firing. "It's hard," he wrote, "to have meaningful oversight when an official in charge of the program lies so blatantly in one of the rare open hearings on the subject."

The fallout is not confined to the US. It is global. Reuters this week reported that "German outrage over a US Internet spying program has broken out ahead of a visit by Barack Obama, with ministers demanding the president provide a full explanation when he lands in Berlin next week and one official likening the tactics to those of the East German Stasi."

Indeed, Viviane Reding, the EU's justice commissioner, has, in the words of the New York Times, "demanded in unusually sharp terms that the United States reveal what its intelligence is doing with personal information of Europeans gathered under the Prism surveillance program revealed last week". She is particularly insistent that EU citizens be given some way to find out whether their communications were intercepted by the NSA.

In the wake of the Guardian's articles, I heard from journalists and even government officials from around the world interested in learning the extent of the NSA's secret spying on the communications of their citizens. These stories have resonated globally, and will continue to do so, because the NSA's spying apparatus is designed to target the shared instruments used by human beings around the world to communicate with one another.

The purpose of whistleblowing is to expose secret and wrongful acts by those in power in order to enable reform. A key purpose of journalism is to provide an adversarial check on those who wield the greatest power by shining a light on what they do in the dark, and informing the public about those acts. Both purposes have been significantly advanced by the revelations thus far.

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-52 # brycenuc 2013-12-18 11:51
A 2% increase in background radiation level is far, far, below any radiation level that has ever been considered harmful. The sailors aboard the U. S. S. Ronald Reagan must surely get more radiation than that in their normal duties. Their multi-million dollar lawsuit is a disgusting attempt to cash in on the world-wide ignorance of the true hazards (or lack thereof) of nuclear radiation. If the legal system has any scientific knowledge what-so-ever their lawsuit will fail, as well it should.
 
 
+47 # WBoardman 2013-12-18 12:19
brycenuc is correct that low levels of radiation are not immediately harmful.

brycnuc's reaction is an example of what is reportedly the kind of dismissive harassing the plaintiffs are getting from current service members, among others, and it is an ignorant position.

There is no "safe" level of radiation exposure.

The plaintiffs here may or may not have a winnable case.

But the possibility of significantly greater exposure than the average is a real possibility, based on the narrative so far. Then the question becomes how much exposure, to what kind of radiation, for how long, taken into the body, etc.

That the Navy was reportedly desalinating radioactive water for sailors to drink and bathe in raises the potential risk factors significantly.

Then there's the Navy's apparent double standard of treatment, minimization of risk, self-protective forced waivers, and suppression of evidence (especially the registry).

Since there was no apparent effort by anyone to measure the actual conditions in and around Fukushima with any scientific detachment, we may never have a reasonable understanding of the actual conditions for any particular person in any particular place, at any particular time.

All we know for sure is that officials lied and minimized.
 
 
+27 # Nuke Pro 2013-12-18 12:33
Well said.
 
 
+22 # Rita Walpole Ague 2013-12-18 13:41
WBoardman, so tragic and then some, is what I've had firsthand experience with when vets who actually get acknowledged as being disabled get totally iinadequate treatment/surge ry, etc. from the VA. My fully disabled brother, for whom I have been a longtime caregiver and now am guardian, is one such vet.

As one of many VA docs have said, and other VA med. professionals have informed me: "This isn't practicing medicine." My heart goes out to the Navy folks who are showing signs of over exposure to radiation. Scarey plus.
 
 
+26 # intheEPZ 2013-12-18 14:13
A proper dose of Potassium iodide before exposure to radioactive iodine will block the radioisotope from taking up residence in the thyroid gland where it will continue to irradiate cells and damage thyroid and surrounding tissues for about 80 days (8 day half life, times about 10 until it has decayed to nearly nothing). It is outrageous that the Navy provided KI only to officers, and not to everyone on the carrier. If you are getting an internal (inhaled or ingested) dose of radioactive iodine from the radioactive plume from an exploded nuclear power plant (or 4), you are most certainly also getting an internal dose of Cesium 137(half life 30 years) and Strontium 90(half life 23 years), among other nasties. These take up residence in muscle tissue (including the heart) and bone respectively, and continue to irradiate surrounding tissue for a LONG time. There is NO radiation dose that does not cause harm (National Academy of Sciences BEIR VII report). Radioactive damage will likely show up as cancers, leukemia, heart damage or other problems many years hence. #brycenuc has drunk the NEI/NRC Kool-Aid. The Navy too, since they're only looking at short term exposure, and not considering that sailors ingested and or breathed radioactive substances while in the area. Internal doses should be multiplied by the time they reside in the body, therefore the dose is much higher and much more dangerous than the silly brycenuc implies above.
 
 
+15 # pbbrodie 2013-12-18 21:11
You, and all previous comments, have failed to mention that we have to take the Navy at its word that these exposure levels were as low as they state, which I do not believe for one moment.
 
 
+8 # intheEPZ 2013-12-19 13:20
Nor I. Well said. When radiation contamination is the issue, it is wise not to take any gov't claim at face value. They are all too beholden to the nuclear industry.
 
 
+3 # tedrey 2013-12-22 04:34
Back in the days of nuclear testing in the Marshall Islands, sailors wore tabs in their lapels which would change color if radiation exposure reached a certain level. Some Coast Guard men chortled to me about how they had gotten off swabbing duty by wearing their tabs in their shoes and hitting that level quicker. What they didn't realize was that the feet (where the blood also flows) was exactly where the tabs *should* be to access the true danger.
 
 
+26 # ikhadduri 2013-12-18 12:05
"it leaves thousands of sailors and Marines in the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group 7 on their own when it comes to determining if any of them are developing problems caused by radiation exposure."
May one remind those concerned, hypocritically, with the PEOPLE OF FALLUJAH,IRAQ when they were smothered with American Chemical weapons and Depleted Uranium American munitions?
Or is this yet another arrogant American Double Standard, we are only concerned about ourselves, not what we do to other people?
 
 
+19 # mscw42 2013-12-18 13:23
This appears to be a further step in arrogance of those in command. Not only aren't they concerned about those who aren't Americans, they aren't concerned about those who are "merely" enlisted Americans.
 
 
+27 # jwb110 2013-12-18 12:32
My father was in the Navy during WW2 and he said that it was the most chicken shit outfit he had ever worked for. When is the Navy going to actually look at its enlisted and mustered out men and women as though they were people? Where is the social contract that protects people who put their lives on the line? And why the hell was it kept a secret!?
I am hoping that there are class action suits against the Japanese Gov't for the damage they have done and denied.
 
 
+11 # Douglas Jack 2013-12-18 13:55
 
 
+4 # RLF 2013-12-19 06:55
I know retired military in the 70's who were making more being retired than if they stayed in the military. People that VOLUNTEER for military service should have an understanding that they will not be taken care of for ever just because they mopped decks for 3 years. Now when something like this happens they could actually act honorably. This country doesn't even take responsibility for anything. My mom lived adjacent to the Trinity site (saw the flash when milking the cow) and has had three metastasized cancers including thyroid. Think she gets anything from the government for that? Hah! Only oil co.s and GE get money from the gov.
 
 
+19 # Douglas Jack 2013-12-18 12:41
You'll notice that Nuclear power proponents never look back at mistakes which place the whole of humankind into mass health consequence & vertebrate life in jeopardy. They will only look to their next crazy idea & want to evangelize it. They never look at the human systems through which their big ideas are to be or have been implemented. They know next to nothing about nature's & human abundant energy flows & show no signs of wanting to learn. Nuclear proponents are as close to the definition of psychotic as one can get. By harnessing Complementary Energy in the human built environment we have all the energy we need & as well clean up our mess. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/design/9-complementary-energy
 
 
+5 # RLF 2013-12-19 06:58
The people that design these things are incredibly arrogant like many doctors, and show little horse sense when it comes to looking for problems with their designs. They are the smartest people on the planet...why should they listen to the peons?
 
 
+24 # Vardoz 2013-12-18 13:12
The military in notorious for abusing soldiers. There is a big base in Japan too. They are being contaminated as well since the radiation has also spread across the US and EU too and we are still importing food from Japan to the US. You can find out more on radcast.org as reported by Tom Hartmann. There is no scenario where soldiers and civilians have not been subjected abuse from above ground testing , uranium tipped bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan. In the documentary IRAQ FOR SALE: THE WAR PROFITEERS soldiers testify to abuse by Haliburton. This is available on line. Also now many are homeless and as food stamps have been cut when our young men and women fought in our fabricated wars for profit and now 22 per day are committing suicide. Perhaps they were exposed to something that is causing this massive suicide rate. These wars were not paid for, & there are now tens of thousands of injured that are costing many billions after conducting the longest wars in history! This is all about profit & abuse at any cost to anything & everything & we are ALL at risk regardless. Vets and military families the middle class, education, working poor, homeless, vets are all part of the equation. We are all being abused and screwed and the military are at the top of the list of the worst offenders.
 
 
+18 # Glen 2013-12-18 14:20
Very good, Vardoz.
While reading your comments I was reminded of those on ships observing a major detonation of a nuclear weapon, and their exposure. How about Agent Orange? All that the military was exposed to in the Middle East, bunker busters come to mind immediately, which yes includes citizens there.

Even in WWII soldiers didn't have enough equipment or food. Consider what the military was exposed to in WWI, which has totally been swept under the rug.

And now, the U.S. government is abandoning all responsibility, as they always have, except that now it is worse. Much of what came about has been forgotten simply because there was no reporting and no serious assistance for veterans.
 
 
+8 # Nuke Pro 2013-12-18 13:41
NRC is asking for comments on "Waste Confidence" sheesh, what a setup.

Drop your comment to NRC, by December 20 deadline.

http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2013/12/your-chance-to-officially-let-nrc-and.html
 
 
+7 # WBoardman 2013-12-18 13:45
NEW DEVELOPMENT

Apparently the judge dismissed the lawsuit on November 26 on jurisdictional grounds --
(and I looked for the fall hearing result, finding nothing) --
as reported December 17 by Jeannette Steele of the San Diego Union-Tribune.

She reported that attorney Paul Garner plans to re-file the suit to avoid the jurisdictional issue.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/dec/17/reagan-radiation-lawsuit-dismissed-tomodachi/all/?print
 
 
+2 # JohnBoanerges 2013-12-21 14:55
Thanks. I had heard that but not confirmed. Will keep trying to stay up to date. I emailed this story last Monday to about 1,000 of my contacts.
 
 
+12 # Kootenay Coyote 2013-12-18 13:50
Another great plug for nuclear power, eh? Or, who cares or need care about the cannon-fodder?
 
 
+12 # tedrey 2013-12-18 15:27
The Navy has performed similar cover-ups before. An example:

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/Navy-Subcontractor-Breaks-Silence-About-Radiation-Contamination-at-Treasure-Island--235499911.html
 
 
+9 # Arden 2013-12-18 16:23
According to Ken Rohla who was interviewed by Dr. Rima on 12/8/13, over 800 workers at Fukushima have died, and there are 10 reactors affected in two different locations.
 
 
+5 # RLF 2013-12-19 07:01
The Japanese had an historical record of tsunamis this large and ignored it when placing their plants. Brilliant!
 
 
+5 # WBoardman 2013-12-19 11:59
As far as I know, the Fukushima plant comprises
a total of six reactors:
#1-2-3 all melted down and remain pretty much inaccessible.
#4 was empty for re-fueling, that's the fuel pool 100' in the air that they've started unloading.
#5-6 were more or less undamaged and have been shut down.

That's all I think I know.
 
 
+15 # JSRaleigh 2013-12-18 17:03
It's really no different than the way the U.S. Government treated the veterans of the atomic testing programs in Utah & Nevada during the 1950s.

Or how they treated the civilians who lived downwind.
 
 
0 # JohnBoanerges 2013-12-21 14:50
How about the entire film crew of the John Wayne movie Genghis Kahn. The location, leased from the USG, was a former nuclear bomb (above ground, of course) test site. Nearly every person who spent as much as a week there died of cancer. Ho-hum says USG.
 
 
+5 # babaregi 2013-12-18 22:15
I know the bugle-boy sailor that was on that ship.
 

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