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Tomasky writes: "It seems worth reiterating this morning that there is no basis on which Obama can make a deal with Republicans."

President Barack Obama in Tucson, Arizona, 01/12/11. (photo: Jewel Samad/Getty Images)
President Barack Obama in Tucson, Arizona, 01/12/11. (photo: Jewel Samad/Getty Images)


This Just In: GOP Won't Negotiate

By Michael Tomasky, The Daily Beast

15 March 13

 

t seems worth reiterating this morning that there is no basis on which Obama can make a deal with Republicans. Greg Sargent took note of a vote in the Senate yesterday that was telling. This was on an amendment designed to ensure that corporations could not use loopholes to avoid entirely the payment of income taxes. Note that word "entirely."

Every Republican on the Budget Committee voted no. Sargent:

Republicans have argued in the past that corporations have a responsibility to their shareholders to reduce the amount they pay in taxes as much as possible within the law. But what this vote shows is that Republicans prioritize this corporate imperative over deficit reduction, even in the cases of corporations that pay no taxes at all. This really doesn’t bode well for the chances that Republicans may agree to new revenues, does it?

When Republicans say Obama needs to show "leadership," what they mean is that he ought to just embrace the Ryan budget. They really won't accept anything else. Oh, they might accept $4.4 trillion in cuts over 10 years instead of Ryan's $4.65 trillion, but that's about all the compromise they're up for. We need to remind ourselves of this fact on a regular basis and say it often. There is nothing Obama can do to please them except drop entirely his demand for revenue, which would be indefensible on political and policy grounds.

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+54 # L. Sabransky 2013-03-15 13:55
If they are saying that there cannot be any revenue, then they are all traitors and should be imprisoned.
 
 
+19 # NanFan 2013-03-16 09:34
What CAN the president do? This:

Reject the budget...send it back to them over and over again...let the government shut down on March 27 until the lame Congress gets it into their measly heads to raise taxes on the richest among us, close loopholes on corporations trying to avoid paying taxes "entirely," and act like a Congress that cares about the people by creating revenue through this taxation without harming the poorest among us!

Otherwise, we're in deep shit-filled waters thanks to the Republicans in this Congress and the weak-kneed Dems who go along with their madness!

If I didn't know how truly hateful and careless Republicans are, I'd actually think this was a joke!

America, the 21st-century Titanic, has hit a huge iceberg, and it will soon stop listing and go down if this insane "budget" is not rejected, and if we do not cut loose the, yes, "traitor" Republicans in 2014.

The fact that Ryan was re-elected in 2012 was unconscionable! He and the rest must go.

Hang on, Mr. President, and do not cave...send it back until it's what you know We, the People can truly live with in order to keep our country afloat and thriving.

Meanwhile, we'll work to OUST THE BUMS in 2014!

N.
 
 
-22 # egbegb 2013-03-16 11:25
On the other hand, Obama could do what he said he would do and cut spending. Golf vacations? $200B in waste and duplication?

President Obama is disingenuous. Obamaphiles don't seem to recognize that. Every statement Obama makes is full of truth,
logic and no contradiction with any statement Obama has made in the past, in their minds.

Each day is a brand new day.
 
 
+2 # Annalois 2013-03-18 12:38
Compared to Republicans, Obama's statments are true.
 
 
+5 # Madmedic 2013-03-16 13:10
Quoting JazBing:
... then they are all traitors and should be imprisoned.


I say we need to start with Rush, The New Tokyo Rose of the Right, Limbaugh, who keeps pulling for the failure of the President and thereby the failure of the country.
 
 
+15 # BradFromSalem 2013-03-15 14:29
You know what. If these idiots retain the House and over 40 seats in the Senate, then the Democrats should just toss in the towel. Tell America that in order to show the entire country how Republican ideas will work out, they can pass anything they want. Remember, in 2 years after 2014, when America is in a new Great Depression, there will be another election.

If we cannot stop these fools in 2014, then just let the nuts run the asylum and move on to the future. As it is too much energy is being wasted trying to make people understand what idiots the Republicans are. Perhaps, we have to show them.

2014 OR BUST!
 
 
+12 # Madmedic 2013-03-16 09:59
Giving in to them is just what they want. Read my post about what is happening in Michigan and then Google "Rick Snyder" and "Michigan Emergency Managers" "Benton Harbor" "Pontiac" "Flint" and now "Detroit." Then come back to this board and we'll see what you think about letting them take control of the Federal Government.

$538,000 for the Pontiac Siverdome? Really! How much would they sell the White House for? how much for the Great National Parks, how much for the mineral rights under your house, etc.? What would be let after they were in for even six months.

You consider giving even one inch to these SOB's at your own peril. You've been warned !! (But then again, so were the Jews in Nazi Germany, the Poles, the French, the Dutch etc). At least our friends the Brits listened to and heeded the warnings.
 
 
+2 # Nominae 2013-03-16 20:32
[quote name="BradFromS alem"]You know what. If these idiots retain the House and over 40 seats in the Senate, then the Democrats should just toss in the towel. Tell America that in order to show the entire country how Republican ideas will work out, they can pass anything they want. Remember, in 2 years after 2014, when America is in a new Great Depression, there will be another election.

If we cannot stop these fools in 2014, then just let the nuts run the asylum and move on to the future. As it is too much energy is being wasted trying to make people understand what idiots the Republicans are. Perhaps, we have to show them.........

That might make a great teaching didactic, but in reality the situation is more like being trapped in a car careening downhill
at 115 MPH toward a Stone wall. Your driver is straight-up suicidal and intent upon making his ex-wife "sorry".

Do you just "kick back" in order to be "supportive" of your buddy and to SHOW his ex-wife how crazy he is, or do you
knock him out, switch drivers, and attempt to "redirect" the course of the car ?

Make no mistake. These corporate-owned clowns are being PAID to dismantle the U.S. Government down to the size where it can be "drowned in a bathtub" (Grover Norquist), and the idea of just helping them STOMP on the ACCELERATOR may not produce exactly the outcome that you seem to have in mind.

No one has been "taught anything" when there is NOTHING left remaining on the "playing field".
 
 
+14 # CharlieABQ 2013-03-15 15:07
At least SS is safe for another moment or two ...
 
 
+37 # F Michael Addams 2013-03-15 17:51
There is no need to " negotiate " a deficit reduction deal of any kind..If Teapublicans want to lurch from one fake crisis to the next...let 'em...Keep callin' them out and working to defeat them in'14...It's our agenda that counts...not theirs..Time to work..
 
 
+27 # Rick Levy 2013-03-15 21:47
I second that emotion, but the problem is that Obama just can't resist offering compromises when clearly he doesn't need to. I'm starting to think he has OCD: obsessive concession disorder.
 
 
+10 # maddave 2013-03-15 23:15
You have hit the nail squarely, F Michael. Let the SOB's have all the rope that the law allows and then constantly confront them over their obstinate orthodoxy. They will surely hang themselves with the 2014 voters.

However, I am still trying to figure out how and why the Senate did not solve this filibuster problem back in January when they had the golden oportunity!
 
 
+7 # Madmedic 2013-03-16 09:21
Quoting maddave:
Let the SOB's have all the rope that the law allows and then constantly confront them over their obstinate orthodoxy. They will surely hang themselves with the 2014 voters.

However, I am still trying to figure out how and why the Senate did not solve this filibuster problem back in January when they had the golden oportunity!


First, ask the citizens of the good State of Michigan how easy it is to get the Repukes out once they have become entrenched. They will never get to the point where they will hang themselves, as the will have lynched all their opposition through fraud, voter suppression, gerrrymandering , general disenfranchisem ent, economic blackmail, etc.

By the time the neofascists get done with their agenda, there will be no one left (with a vote) to stand up to them. Dems. have to realize that this is a war and those witht the $$ intend to win it.

They are not going to give any quarter
until they get their way and every little gain they make will be consolidated and defended. Much like the old Communists who only wanted half a country, then came back for another half and after that a half of what was left, et.

Two, Harry Reid needs to go now! He is only a "useful fool" at this point. That is why I refuse every Democratic appeal for $$ with an email that advises that I will consider contributing to the party when Harry Reid is replaced I urge other Dems. to do the same. (Cont'd in next post)
 
 
+5 # Madmedic 2013-03-16 09:46
Continued - I most definitely do not want the Dems. to lose the 2014 mid terms but they have to be made to understand that we do not contribute our $$ to them only to see them ignorantly give away the power our $$ helped them obtain.

Back to the 1st item of last post. For those of you that think the war metaphor is too extreme, I urge you to Google Michigan Emergency Managers (EM) and Governor (Fuerher) Rick Snyder. Over half the black citizens in Michigan are now living under what amounts to political "martial law." They are allowed to elect their local mayors and city councils, but those bodies have no real power. All real power resides in the Emergency Manager that the governor unilaterally appoints. Much like the old colonial governor's appointed by King George, before the American Revolution, the "emergency manager's" have unfettered access to sell off whatever public wealth there is left in the decaying ciies of Flint, Benton Harbor, North Muskegon and now, Detroit. An example, the Pontiac Siverdome, sold to a private consortium (of which the former EM was/became a member) for $538,000. Yes, you read that right! Probably less than the salvage value of the scrap in the facility, so that they could turn it into a casino.

I could go on about the neofascist experiment/trav esty in Michigan, but am running out of space. Before you consider "giving the republicans enough rope to hang themselves" you really need to take a look at Michigan's situation.
 
 
+2 # Regina 2013-03-16 12:12
Reid is a very slender reed. He needs a backbone as well as a brain.
 
 
+1 # Nominae 2013-03-16 20:57
Quoting maddave:
.
.... I am still trying to figure out how and why the Senate did not solve this filibuster problem back in January when they had the golden oportunity!


Because correcting the filibuster would place restrictions upon this National Political Kabuki Theatre ! That's all we're watching. The Treasury is being ROBBED while we are all being distracted and re-directed by the Political Kabuki Drama.

It has been some time since we've had an actual, functioning government. It was replaced with a Corporate-Contr olled *illusion* of a real government. Puppets on strings.

They MUST have conflict, or they don't have DRAMA.

A corrected filibuster wouId reduce the sham of "good cop/bad cop" that both parties play, and the fans remain transfixed !

If they don't have DRAMA, we might start looking at what is BEING done in the places mentioned in Michigan, et al. As it is, that is being drowned out by the Political "noise" in D.C.

And Obama, an apparent "White Hat" is the ONLY player actually placing SS on the chopping block when even the so-called "Black Hats" haven't demanded that. Obama has things to do, people to impress, and functions to privatize before his term is up.

If Obama doesn't go to work for Goldman Sachs after he's out of office, it will be only because Jamie Dimon gives him a sweeter offer over at Morgan.

This is all a GAME. "We the people" are not even allowed a seat at the snack table. We are in awe of the show !
 
 
-6 # MidwestTom 2013-03-15 21:54
A more fruitful requirement might be to require that all corporations must distribute at least 20% of their after tax profits to their shareholders. This would put the money into the hands of pension funds, and individuals, who will spend it more wisely than the government, while still allowing the corporation to retain funds for future growth.
 
 
+17 # BeaDeeBunker 2013-03-16 00:38
The only problem with the idea of distributing any % to the shareholder is just who these shareholders are. I don't have the exact figures at hand, but I recall seeing some numbers that indicate that a very, very small % of Americans, own the vast, vast majority of stocks.
That means that the same people who are not paying their fair share of taxes, get the lion's share of all profits. They are not going to spend them on anything that will benefit the general public. The pensions are a small part of the overall picture. When I can find the exact figures I will amend my post.

It has to be understood that the whole 'Wall Street World' is indeed a world unto itself.

I'm reminded of the story of the 5 blind wise men who each described an elephant completely by what they alone were 'looking' at, at the time. Likewise, if we just look at the stock market since 2008, we get a picture of the economic health of the United States as being, like Tony the Tiger would say, "IT'S GREAT!!"

Breaking the 15,000 mark did absolutely nothing for the average, unemployed, under-employed, low/stagnant salaried, over-worked, uninsured American.

But, that small % of 'stock owners' were feeling mighty 'healthy,' thank you.

That elephant in the room, low and behold, is none other than the GOP mascot. The spell has to be broken...the king is in the all-together, as naked as the day that it was born.
 
 
+4 # Madmedic 2013-03-16 09:03
Quoting BeaDeeBunker:


But, that small % of 'stock owners' were feeling mighty 'healthy,' thank you.


Including the 300,000 new millionaires who the market has just created, who will now most likely see themselves as "the makers, not the takers" and will vote for the Republican's come next election, because, after all, they "built it themselves."
 
 
+1 # Nominae 2013-03-16 21:15
Quoting MidwestTom:
A more fruitful requirement might be to require that all corporations must distribute at least 20% of their after tax profits to their shareholders.....


This would simply give Corporations incentive to "off-shore" another 20% of their profits. And WHO in the modern day is going to "make" the Corporations do *anything* ? The Congress and Obama ? The Supreme COURT ?

The Corporations specifically write their OWN laws - The government is nothing more than a Corporate P.R. Subsidiary.

Elected errand boyz 'n' girls to run back and forth between their Masters and "we the people", bcuz "we the people were allowed to ELECT our "middlemen" to promote the illusion that we have ANY power in this system at ALL.

This pretense in which we are allowed to participate is ingenious. As long as we can tell ourselves that "we elected this person, he/she works for US", the *less* likely is it that the masses grab their torches and pitchforks and march on the Corporate "Citadel" in D.C.

Game, set, match, people. The corporations control all phases of the game, including the Political Parties. That is WHY courageous and incredible voices like Sanders and Warren stand alone. There are none who DARE to join them. These Senators (at least Warren), don't yet "get" the fact that this IS a "game".

Fully fixed, fully scripted. That is IS Kabuki Theater. This is WHY politicians promise voters the moon, and then promptly renege.
They just want IN.
 
 
+6 # DPM 2013-03-15 22:37
Remember how many times you were disappointed by the president in his first term? Well, get ready for an encore.
 
 
+3 # BeaDeeBunker 2013-03-16 17:54
Stick to the issue at hand. What does the President's behavior have to do with the issue at hand.
The GOP will not negotiate. Remember how many times the GOP did not disappoint by reacting to anything coming from the White House in exactly the same way as they did from day one of Obama's presidency. Their instructions, after losing the election was to make sure that Obama was a one term president. How did that work out? The GOP does not accept the will of the people because in their pea brains they are right and everyone else is wrong. It's no, no, no all the way, come what may.

The definition of insanity is doing the same exact thing over and over again and expecting different results. By that definition the GOP is INSANE! In their case it's more than that. They are pathological... a real danger to the nation state.

Just today, I heard from the GOP 'Budget Guru' who had the simple solution that we don't spend on things we don't have money for...duh! Where was he when Bush paid for two undeclared wars with a credit card, totally off budget?
This Kooky GOP Guru never heard of the concept of increasing the revenue to pay for things that are needed. The 1% want their ill gotten gains protected, but they refuse to pay for that protection.

I. T. S. M. S.!!
It's The Simple Math Stupid!!
 
 
+2 # DPM 2013-03-16 19:03
BDB. The issue is, and I am sorry that I did not make this clear, the president will continue to try to bargain with the GOP and lose. Why? Because the GOP has always said, as you point out, it will not bargain. But, he will continue to do what he has done for four years. And, lose. Though the big losers are us, not him.
 
 
0 # BeaDeeBunker 2013-03-16 22:18
DPM,
What would you do if you were president?
Take them all out to the wood shed, take the cherry blossoms off a stiff branch and whip their sorry asses?
Send to bed without their supper?
Ask his VP, Biden to take Ryan duck hunting?

What is your solution?
 
 
+8 # dick 2013-03-15 23:26
I think Obama's "charm offensive" is oxymoronic, & is even more moronic if it leads to compromise with insanity. You want to shoot me 4 times. I don't want you to shoot me at all. But isn't only fair to "compromise" on twice? Obama negotiations.
 
 
+17 # Regina 2013-03-15 23:44
Some Repub wag has been quoted recently as saying that their aim is stopping "that black man in the White House." Four years ago the vow was to make Obama fail. The bratty tantrum will not stop. Get those racist obstructionists out in 2014!
 
 
+10 # ABen 2013-03-16 01:57
Liberals and Progressives must continue to work to send the "baggers" home in 2014! Demographics and the march of time are against this group of mostly ignorant, racist, white males.
 
 
+4 # cafetomo 2013-03-16 05:27
Overweening intolerance of any accomplishment not their own, gets tiresome. The GOP seems unified primarily through their mutual aspirations in ulterior prostitution, but it gets harder to pretend they have any opacity left to their increasingly obvious motivations. Dems are left to be outstanding in the field, but have apparently chosen to be left out, standing in the field. Has no one found means to insist the lot of them get a little skin in the game?

Ideally by way of a dull cheese grater.
 
 
+17 # golferdawn 2013-03-16 06:37
These corporate lackeys should be tried for treason. When you put corporations' interests above those of the people in your district and what's best for the country, that is treason IMO.
 
 
+6 # RMDC 2013-03-16 06:59
all this is quite true. The republicans have become the party of "no." they have no plans and no vision. they like the USG just the way it is -- fully under control by corporations.

but the republicans are dwindling in popularity. I can't see them having much chance of increasing political strength, unless things change dramiatically.
 
 
+2 # Madmedic 2013-03-16 10:13
"they have no plans" WRONG" "Republicans are dwindling in popularity" MAYBE TEMPORARILY

You think it's ending?! What we are witnessing is only a temporary power struggle at the very top of the republican party. We, the American people, are only one terrorist attack away from them reasserting and consolidating their power in this country at the national level.

Legions of simple minded voters give the republican party blind allegience, no matter who is in charge at the top. It matters not which side of the current fight winds up in charge. In the end the sheep will follow their leader.

To dismiss the repukes as a threat to democracy that is self destructing before our very eyes is exceedingly dangerous, as they consolidate more and more power at the local and state levels. Examples are: their voter suppression efforts, which while thwarted in some area, were successful in many others; their successful and uncorrectable (for ten years, anyway)gerryman dering of many congressional districts; their truly fascistic, totally undemocratic takeover of all of Michigan's government at all levels, as well as their sell off of governtment assets to their private sector cronies; the successful union busting in Michigan, Wisconsin, NJ, etc.; the successful elimination of abortion as an option in many states, while it is preserved as "constitutional " at the federal level.

No, we dangerously delude ourselves when we see the republican party's power as "ending
 
 
+3 # Walter J Smith 2013-03-16 09:26
Well, Michael Tomasky and the entire industrial news culture may have just discovered that the GOP will not negotiate.

But to put this all on the GOP ignores Obama's consistent habit of capitulating before there were any negotiations to be done.

Let's not forget the pseudo-left side of the equation. Obama brought this, as so many other things down on his own head. It is time for him to either lead or get out of the way.
 
 
+1 # Kwamined 2013-03-16 10:10
Oh, come on, sheeple!
Obambi will negotiate away Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. He is not -- repeat, NOT -- a progressive, much less a liberal. He is a Republican in drag.
Just follow the money: trillions for the Wall Street banksters who bought him in 2008 then sold him down the river (sic) last year; mere billions in ineffective programs for Main Street folks who are facing often illegal foreclosures. He and his minions have found no cause to prosecute the proven felons among the banksters.
Yet Obambi is all but begging to negotiate away the social safety net.
Wake up, sheeple! Obama is not -- repeat, NOT -- a Liberal or Progressive. He is, as Prof. Cornel West at Princeton siad some years ago, "a black mascot for Wall Street."
And just wait: He will ratify the Keystone pipeline, claiming "energy dependence" as his priority.
Ha,ha, ha: Obambi fooled us all.
 
 
+2 # Kwamined 2013-03-16 10:26
Oh, come on!
Obambi is a Republican in drag.
He cannot and will not punch above his weight to get things done. "Getit done" is the Southern idiom. Obambi just ain't got the sack; otherwise, he'd be bangin heads and threatin the Republican neanderthals, who are -- as a party -- guilty of treason.
Treason is still a hangin' offense, right?
 
 
+1 # Kwamined 2013-03-16 10:31
Aux armes, citoyens!
 
 
0 # Madmedic 2013-03-16 10:35
ONE MORE VERY IMPORTANT THOUGHT !!

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+1 # fredboy 2013-03-17 10:11
Anyone who's ever tried to reason with a rich, spoiled brat should understand this.

I left two once-great jobs because our newly appointed bosses with these jerks.

Totally, unmitigated, selfish assholes.
 
 
0 # hkatzman 2013-03-20 07:39
STOP NEGOTIATING WITH THE CONGRESS!
Like Obama did in his 2008 election,
NEGOTIATE DIRECTLY WITH THE PEOPLE!
Go over the heads of Congress, sidestep the mainstream media, and tell the public DIRECTLY what is happening. Public outrage will then convince Congress quite effectively. It worked in the election, it will still work.
 

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