Pierce writes: "One of the more subtle benefits of the nomination of Chuck Hagel for Secretary Of Defense is that it has required in our political discourse that we re-litigate...the sweeping criminal fraud that was the selling of the war in Iraq."
Pierce: 'The Avignon Presidency's excellent adventure in Iraq was a fake from start to finish.' (photo: Getty Images)
The Colossal Blunder That is the Iraq War
13 January 13
ne of the more subtle benefits of the nomination of Chuck Hagel for Secretary Of Defense is that it has required in our political discourse that we re-litigate -- or, arguably, litigate honestly for the first time -- the sweeping criminal fraud that was the selling of the war in Iraq by the administration of George W. Bush. Remarkably, at least in the prominent arenas of public discussion, the "left" side of this debate is primarily represented by people who supported the criminal fraud at first -- like Peter Beinart and, admittedly, Hagel himself -- and who then soured on the whole business either because they saw what a massive blunder it was, or because they needed to obfuscate their own hysterical support of it in order to maintain their public credibility in a country that was realizing that they'd helped play it for a sucker. And hello to you, too, Andrew Sullivan.
Let us be clear. The Avignon Presidency's excellent adventure in Iraq was a fake from start to finish, planned long in advance of the 9/11 attacks and sold to the country on the basis of "evidence" that bordered on the risible. (Remember the Iraqi drones spraying anthrax up the Hudson?) More to the point, there were people who knew it at the time, who talked about it at the time, who yelled about it at the time, and who, at best, were ignored and, at worst, slandered and marginalized. Those voices are still on the outskirts of the conversation, as though the more right you were, the less credibility you had.
This phenomenon continues today. There were the people who were right all along. These included Al Gore, Hans Blix, the Washington bureau of the McClatchy news service, and any member of Congress who voted against the resolution. A subset of this group are the people who were right all along but didn't do enough. These included all those CIA types who knew what was going on, but who couldn't quite bring themselves to raise a sufficient amount of hell. These groups have been shoved aside again in favor of the people who feel really bad about their mistake, or who, like the ubiquitous Michael O'Hanlon, have chosen not to speak much of it again. They were serious people about supporting the war and serious people now that they take their regrets out for a walk on TV. Serious is as serious does, I reckon. We never are going to get right with this colossal blunder until this kind of thinking changes. With too many people spoiling for a fight with Iran, against which Hagel already has lined up, this is not a healthy bit of business.
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Hardly a 'blunder', this shamming us under....
WAR, WAR, WAR for $$$$$ and OIL, OIL, OIL
The appointment of Hagel in the Pentagon and Brennan in the CIA seems to show Obama's preference for covert operations. That's just as bad as open war. It is all criminal.
I DO understand your frustration. I sure would have liked to see Bush/Cheney and CO.
pay for all they did to the innocent Iraqis and to our country and military,
because as Charles Pierce says that war was planned LONG before 9-11.
Wolfowitz and other Neocons worked hard at persuading Clinton to attack Iraq.
But he was much to intelligent to go for it.
Bush was itching to be a WAR president.... Before he was ever elected he said that if you were going to regarded as a great president you HAD to be a war president.
I'll continue
Considering all that, the Bush/ Neocon gang amply deserves to be prosecuted ....... HOWEVER....If the Obama admin. had started proceedings against them, we could have had an uprising......
Please remember.
Our economy was imploding, banks were failing and people were going bankrupt. Close to a million jobs a month were lost, the first several months. We all feared that it was the start of a great depression.
The Obama admin. were working night and day to "right the ship" It would have splintered the country If proceedings were initiated against the former admin.
For it is important to recall, that HALF THE COUNTRY did NOT vote for Obama. As a matter of fact too many hate him and if the first black president were to prosecute his predecessor?????
NO president walked into a bigger BLOODY MESS than Obama, and considering THAT I think his fine mind and calm temperament has served the country well. At least 51% of the country think so.
And this is also so obviously the sump into which the Iraqi "Missing Billions" were poured via KBR/Haliburton and the no-bid club.
And now the Bush clan have all this land in Paraguay which has just been sucked back via a coup, into the ever-shrinking right wing club of South and Central American nations still in league with the US and rapidly being sealed off from it's more progressive neighbors.
What next I wonder?
Is this going to be the last refuge of the warmongering chicken hawks -including Blair- as their travel options and calls for their trial become louder?
You can chuck the blessed Kissinger into that mix too.
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They did.
I'm one of these 'A & E for truth' by the way.
Which is why I always had the afore-posted opinion on the Baghdad embassy -I know the acquisition, conceptual, planning, design, construction documents and bidding timelines -and it must have been prolonged for something that size and scope, even with the "No bid" situation gifted to Cheney's old firm Haliburton/KBR.
The whole thing reeks of a grand circle of corruption and greed. And we're paying for it!
But it's far from the first time that a bellicose US govt. has cooked up a war (Mexican War, Spanish-America n War, Vietnam, etc., etc.).
There were protests, here and abroad, during the Iraq buildup, but Bush, Cheney and the other warmaniacs ignored them (and the Constitution, which gives war powers to Congress) -- because they could. IMHO, there's WAY too much unquestioning obedience in this supposedly free country.
Yes, Bush & Co. should be tried as war criminals -- but that's only for the losers. (Even worse: they ignored info. on the coming 9/11 attacks because they were so obsessed with Iraq. The govt.'s own 9/11 report says that!)
Charlie, the "cranks" were in the WHite House! They sold it to the American people like a frontier snake oil salesman. They mixed the fear with some good old revival tent Bible thumping religion and the people were ready to charge Hell with a squirtgun to stop the Sadaam threat to our very existence! The whole sordid, sorry, stinkin' episode proves just one thing and that is for the American people, if it looks like Reality TV it must be real. They'll believe anything.
Listening to William Kristol and Elliot Abrams, it looks like "the cranks" are coming out of the septic tank again. Right wing radio is on board. Season Two begins.
Never forget the quote: "We have met the enemy and he is us".
The Iraq farce. And Mr Obama seems intent on continuing the charade by killing civilians in the ridiculous Pakistan drone campaign. The lost-long-ago Afghanistan misadventure.....
Sigh....
But Jesse Jackson was right in the early 1980s when as presidential candidate he preached "war spending hemmorhages the economy." It became truer with the Iraq War's no-bid contracts that sucked our national treasure right into the corporate coffers that made the 1% rich and the 99% needier than they need to be - if it weren't for war.
The end of the depression was brought about by banking rule changes (Glass-Steagall ) along with higher tax rates on the wealthy and a continued redistribution of wealth that allowed the middle class to grow. That created demand and jobs hand in hand, which has always been the key to a good economy. Along with that came massive government spending (WPA, infrastructure, etc.)
We continued with a good economy and lower unemployment until amnesia and greed kicked in again, the banks were let off the leash, a stupid war (Iraq, Afghanistan) dried up the treasury, and the rich took control of the tax policy and the government again. Then we had the recent crash followed by the ridiculous bailout of the big banks. We will continue in peril of another crash until Glass-Steagall or equivalent is reinstated, the tax code is put in proper balance, and the people are once again given a chance to prosper.
All of this pales into insignificance if we continue to fail to confront Global Warming. The world must come to grips with that, quit the war games, quit the oil and coal game, or we all sink into broiling misery, if we survive at all.
20 to 50 feet of ocean rise by 2095? 10 feet will be devastating to the world. Wake up.
TRY "WAR CRIME"! How about murder? How about torture? How about torture to death? How about treason?
Infuriating that this country still isn't calling for their heads and war crimes trials! ufb.
Do we have a situation here where the U.S. is tied somewhere to the hip of oil emmirates? And, isn't it interesting that that would be a "right wing" connection --- oil = big money, Wall St., Banks, stock market, global economy..And (!) the same right wing, which owns 99% of our airwaves (Got Murdoch, Got Cameron?) appears to be talking up the bogey of Iran--- while democratic uprisings of cit's in places like Syria and Egypt are being painted by that same right wing as "influenced by Muslim brotherhood"? The short of it, being pushed very simply and shallowly, by Hannity, et., al, is that Israel is immenently threatened by democratic uprisings...to boot, Pres. Obama, by not thwarting "uprisings" in Syria, etc., is inadvertently acting against our age old ally, Israel.. IOW,
organic uprisings favoring democracy are a threat to Israel and therefore, the U.S.? Hmmm...
The next president didn't want to go into a real war (Although, like Obama, Kennedy did like to support little covert wars), so he was assassinated to make room for a president who did like big wars. Then when that man fell out of favor with the public, the man who would become the next president also didn't like big wars. So he was assassinated and we had a president who liked to expand the unpopular war in Vietnam into Cambodia and Laos. The military industrial moguls really liked that.
Then that president fell out of favor and the people elected a man who really disliked all wars. That was bad for business, so the big money went to an actor who also liked wars but couldn't remember why.
The moguls decided then that they needed to shape the national dialogue, so they began to take over portions of the news media and change the discourse, plus they created a cadre of like-minded politicos who took on the moniker of 'neo-cons'.
Their march to the right and the eventual take-over of the political establishment was temporarily blocked when a Democrat came into the white house. They tried to get him out of office because he did not know the meaning of sex and he didn't like to start wars.
That brings us to the 'need' to have another Pearl Harbor, the Iraq war and the utter disdain for Obama.
Please don;t presume that all of your readers are as well educated as yourself.
Case in point, you wrote:
"Let us be clear. The Avignon Presidency's excellent adventure in Iraq".
I have no idea what you are referring to as the "Avignon Presidency."
Please be thoughtful with respect to people such as myself.
That seems a pretty accurate read of the author's intention.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/11/1061243/-The-Presidency-in-Avignon-during-the-Financial-Pestilence
A good article too.
I say shame on Yale and Harvard for giving any sort of degree to someone who did not know an iota of history regarding how the term 'Crusade' would resonate in the Middle East. Or maybe Bush was just reciting the lines that he was told to say by his handlers.
Either way, I still blame the pretzel guy who made those pretzels just a little too small!
Doesn't that say something about The US Voter??? How bad did it have to get before the Party of No was replaced in the WH? (Hint: 2007 economic crash)
Some of them actually take faux as true.
WRONG.
2004 election was STOLEN in OHIO. One of the people involved admitted to being involved. He was going to testify....but unfortunately he was killed in a plane crash before he could??????
Nothing is going to change unless the people of America bring change. This means educating or informing a much larger percentage of the population and helping them to speak their mind in ways that bring the like-minded together. Obama's campaigns harnessed that force and perhaps saved us from a worse fate, despite that, one can only be horrified by many of his policies and the people he surrounds himself with.
it turns out, he had taken a cab down to me and as the cab attempted to make a detour around the protest, several armed police officers ordered the cab to drive directly into the "mob" of peacefully assembled protesters exercising their rights as Americans.
imagine my friend and his probably Muslim cab driver, crawling through a dense crowd, people touching their windshield, the meter running and my friend having to pay to disrupt an anti-war protest
they were both terrified. what a country!
Unlike in 1968, however, the fact that many being herded had cell phones to photograph and publicize the police's actions ; they had to stop herding the populace into paddy wagons because their illicit actions ended up on the evening news!
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz(the architect of the war) all walk free as we citizens are bashed with the need to continue cutting from our needs to repay the massive debt incurred from this crime. Not to mention the losses and disabilities of our loved ones who were misused and abused in this criminal act!
Let's all wake up and demand justice now. If this remains swept under the carpet, we will continue to live with the shame.
Please see Rush to War,a documentary that tells the TRUTH about
what the United States of America did to a defenseless people who
never caused us any harm. Hear George McGovern(before the war
began)talk about the true intentions of the Bush Administration.
Hear Howard Zinn speak of the true reason for our unwarranted invasion of a sovereign nation:OIL and PROFITS.
Listen to Joe Wilson talk about the fabricated nuclear threat
foisted on the American public by Bush,Cheney and Rice. Hear the truth told by authors and journalists like Chris Hedges,
Molly Ivins,Robert Scheer,Mark Danner and others. Most importantly,
think about the unintended consequences of this unmitigated disaster
for the world.
I think a big part of the problem is the attempt by Dems at the close of these disastrous events to have 'closure' by not ripping off the metaphorical bandage and seeing how deep the infection has gone.
http://moveforchangebkculturejam.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/dont-know-much-about-history/
And there's a problem if you don't reconcile truth with lies--it's now well-nigh impossible for the country to work on solutions to problems that only half the electorate recognizes. We can't continue to have a 'Tea Party' history side by side with an 'everyone else' history.
http://moveforchangebkculturejam.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/its-official-george-w-bush-is-a-war-criminal/
it takes a whole lot of searching on the internet machine to find this out. It would be nice if somebody--anybo dy--covering the Hagel hearings would bring this up.
It all came out in about 2003 thanks to the Freedom of Information Act of 1666 and you can read all about it online..!.
.....Think 'International Big Money', controlling not only The Bush Gang, but world-wide Government elements, as well, including beginning w Israel, another one of their PAWNS. War benefits who? Follow The Money!
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
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Progress! Bob Johnson
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