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Pierce writes: "One of the more subtle benefits of the nomination of Chuck Hagel for Secretary Of Defense is that it has required in our political discourse that we re-litigate...the sweeping criminal fraud that was the selling of the war in Iraq."

Pierce: 'The Avignon Presidency's excellent adventure in Iraq was a fake from start to finish.' (photo: Getty Images)
Pierce: 'The Avignon Presidency's excellent adventure in Iraq was a fake from start to finish.' (photo: Getty Images)



The Colossal Blunder That is the Iraq War

By Charles Pierce, Esquire

13 January 13

 

ne of the more subtle benefits of the nomination of Chuck Hagel for Secretary Of Defense is that it has required in our political discourse that we re-litigate -- or, arguably, litigate honestly for the first time -- the sweeping criminal fraud that was the selling of the war in Iraq by the administration of George W. Bush. Remarkably, at least in the prominent arenas of public discussion, the "left" side of this debate is primarily represented by people who supported the criminal fraud at first -- like Peter Beinart and, admittedly, Hagel himself -- and who then soured on the whole business either because they saw what a massive blunder it was, or because they needed to obfuscate their own hysterical support of it in order to maintain their public credibility in a country that was realizing that they'd helped play it for a sucker. And hello to you, too, Andrew Sullivan.

Let us be clear. The Avignon Presidency's excellent adventure in Iraq was a fake from start to finish, planned long in advance of the 9/11 attacks and sold to the country on the basis of "evidence" that bordered on the risible. (Remember the Iraqi drones spraying anthrax up the Hudson?) More to the point, there were people who knew it at the time, who talked about it at the time, who yelled about it at the time, and who, at best, were ignored and, at worst, slandered and marginalized. Those voices are still on the outskirts of the conversation, as though the more right you were, the less credibility you had.

This phenomenon continues today. There were the people who were right all along. These included Al Gore, Hans Blix, the Washington bureau of the McClatchy news service, and any member of Congress who voted against the resolution. A subset of this group are the people who were right all along but didn't do enough. These included all those CIA types who knew what was going on, but who couldn't quite bring themselves to raise a sufficient amount of hell. These groups have been shoved aside again in favor of the people who feel really bad about their mistake, or who, like the ubiquitous Michael O'Hanlon, have chosen not to speak much of it again. They were serious people about supporting the war and serious people now that they take their regrets out for a walk on TV. Serious is as serious does, I reckon. We never are going to get right with this colossal blunder until this kind of thinking changes. With too many people spoiling for a fight with Iran, against which Hagel already has lined up, this is not a healthy bit of business.

 

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+73 # twocreeks 2013-01-13 16:32
Think Syrian collateral damage is a problem? Attack on Iran would be much worse and is ignored. http://suptweetblog.net/2012/10/12/3970/
 
 
+61 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-01-14 01:39
Colin Powell was interviewed today on "Meet The Press." Colin Powell reguritated the same old Republican lies today. His comment, "we had CIA evidence that there was evidence of weapons of mass destruction." And the interviewer did not have to balls to contradict him. The U.N. inspectors found no evidence of weapons of mass destruction. Colin Powell is just another military-indust rial complex pawn. A disgrace to this country, a jackass!
 
 
+55 # MainStreetMentor 2013-01-14 06:39
Nancy Pelosi had the authority and opportunity to bring both Bush and Cheney before the American People on charges when she was the Speaker – and didn’t do her job. We now face the potential of having the punish-less repeat of a similar future disaster of another kakistocracy by the RepubTeacans. We have become a nation favoring political image over reality; reputation over fact; protocol over substance. We don’t want or honor the truth anymore – we prefer fabricated, veiled politically acceptable correctness – wikileaks proved that, i.e., shoot the messenger and ignore the message.
 
 
+3 # wantrealdemocracy 2013-01-15 15:30
These listed evil traits are not of the people of the United States. These are descriptions of the "too many people spoiling for a fight with Iran". The people of this nation do not want more wars. The Zionists in our Congress and the leaders in Israel want an attack on Iran. The government of the United State has lost all traces of democracy that we once had. The voice of the people is not heard in Congress.
 
 
+69 # Rita Walpole Ague 2013-01-13 17:57
"What we need is another Pearl Harbor." Emphatically stated, in the late 90's, at a 'closed' vs. open to the public/press planning session, that V.I.P. neo-con dicatate foreshadowed what was to come (i.e. non-election of puppet whore 'W', with 9/11 following shortly thereafter).

Hardly a 'blunder', this shamming us under....

WAR, WAR, WAR for $$$$$ and OIL, OIL, OIL
 
 
+27 # indian weaver 2013-01-14 07:11
What we need is the military defeat of amerika to get us a little humility and join the community of human love and peace at last, like Europe now, since they were devastated in WWII, and got it at last. Their military defeat and destruction of all infrastructures and millions of innocent citizens signaled the end of European fascist imperialism. Then they figured out how and why support of The People thoughout Europe, at least compared to amerika which now ignores The People. Hubris and the lack of support of the infrastructe and The People is leading to our implosion, a little by little. Collapsed, damaged and cracked enough places, the populace will suffer horribly here. Violence by punished and abused citizens, and uprisings will be commonplace soon. When studying the infrastructures ' collapse and how widespread and serious it is becoming, we see the writing on the wall: a too heavy outside collapsing the inside, making war useless because nothing is left to defend. Make war and money, that's is justification enough for our rulers to torture and assassinate and commit vicious crimes against humanity worldwide. It's good money for the rulers and military, all of whom are sold out and wage genocide for the money in it.
 
 
+65 # RMDC 2013-01-13 18:09
Yes, it would be nice to think that the US is finally learning the lesson of Iraq -- that a president who lies to start a war against a nation that has never done anything to the US is a criminal. But I really doubt that this lesson will go very far. Obama seems to want to stay out of a war against Iran and that is good. but there are bigger powers than he is in the US and Israel.

The appointment of Hagel in the Pentagon and Brennan in the CIA seems to show Obama's preference for covert operations. That's just as bad as open war. It is all criminal.
 
 
+36 # grandma lynn 2013-01-14 04:29
When Obama's presidency opened with his and Pelosi's immediate refusal to investigate the staging of the Iraq war, I felt the drop in my stomach of truth compromised. So, Hagel/Brennan - yes, no surprise - Obama was not about "change" but about getting elected. Now he's about cozying in to history books, and that means ruffling no feathers. He's falling in line with every other war-respecting- managing U.S. leader. I fault him for it. I fault all U.S. leaders who never consider what Chomsky and Zinn offer for wisdom, and others. Bill Blum. Phyllis Bennis. Bill Hartung.
 
 
+47 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-01-14 08:31
Don't forget another brave voice, United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) inspector Scott Ritter. Vilified and marginalized for speaking out.
 
 
+7 # X Dane 2013-01-14 22:33
Grandma lynn.
I DO understand your frustration. I sure would have liked to see Bush/Cheney and CO.
pay for all they did to the innocent Iraqis and to our country and military,
because as Charles Pierce says that war was planned LONG before 9-11.


Wolfowitz and other Neocons worked hard at persuading Clinton to attack Iraq.
But he was much to intelligent to go for it.
Bush was itching to be a WAR president.... Before he was ever elected he said that if you were going to regarded as a great president you HAD to be a war president.

I'll continue
 
 
+8 # X Dane 2013-01-14 23:08
grandma lynn.

Considering all that, the Bush/ Neocon gang amply deserves to be prosecuted ....... HOWEVER....If the Obama admin. had started proceedings against them, we could have had an uprising......

Please remember.
Our economy was imploding, banks were failing and people were going bankrupt. Close to a million jobs a month were lost, the first several months. We all feared that it was the start of a great depression.

The Obama admin. were working night and day to "right the ship" It would have splintered the country If proceedings were initiated against the former admin.

For it is important to recall, that HALF THE COUNTRY did NOT vote for Obama. As a matter of fact too many hate him and if the first black president were to prosecute his predecessor?????

NO president walked into a bigger BLOODY MESS than Obama, and considering THAT I think his fine mind and calm temperament has served the country well. At least 51% of the country think so.
 
 
+49 # reiverpacific 2013-01-13 23:57
I've always said to anybody that would listen, that all you have to do is look at why, where and when the US was planning and designing the largest Embassy in the world in Baghdad (It can be seen from space), which must have been conceived and begun long before 9/11, which lends even more credibility to the statement that "If 9/11 hadn't happened, they (the Dimwits cabal) would have had to invent it" or words to that general effect.
And this is also so obviously the sump into which the Iraqi "Missing Billions" were poured via KBR/Haliburton and the no-bid club.
And now the Bush clan have all this land in Paraguay which has just been sucked back via a coup, into the ever-shrinking right wing club of South and Central American nations still in league with the US and rapidly being sealed off from it's more progressive neighbors.
What next I wonder?
Is this going to be the last refuge of the warmongering chicken hawks -including Blair- as their travel options and calls for their trial become louder?
You can chuck the blessed Kissinger into that mix too.
 
 
+5 # grandma lynn 2013-01-14 04:31
In the sentence: "Is this going to be the last refuge of the warmongering chicken hawks -including Blair- as their travel options and calls for their trial become louder?" is the "this" the Hagel/Brennan combo? Or is it the Paraguay situation?
 
 
+34 # Dion Giles 2013-01-14 05:47
"If 9/11 hadn't happened, they (the Dimwits cabal) would have had to invent it"
==============
They did.
 
 
+5 # futhark 2013-01-14 08:24
New Year's resolution: stop pretending to accept the orthodox Cheney/Bush "Osama bin Laden and 19 Islamic radicals planned and executed the 9/11 attacks" because it is socially unacceptable to question this fraud. Speak out that the buildings came down due to pre-installed demolition explosives and the whole shebang was orchestrated from start to finish by an outrageous criminal conspiracy of the military-indust rial complex and surveillance state apparatus. The evidence is in plain sight. Consult Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
 
 
-8 # bmiluski 2013-01-14 12:14
Wow.......how did they invent those realistic planes crashing into the building?
 
 
0 # Dion Giles 2013-01-14 20:57
They were real planes and real people, sacrificed in a joint operation.
 
 
+10 # reiverpacific 2013-01-14 14:03
Quoting futhark:
New Year's resolution: stop pretending to accept the orthodox Cheney/Bush "Osama bin Laden and 19 Islamic radicals planned and executed the 9/11 attacks" because it is socially unacceptable to question this fraud. Speak out that the buildings came down due to pre-installed demolition explosives and the whole shebang was orchestrated from start to finish by an outrageous criminal conspiracy of the military-industrial complex and surveillance state apparatus. The evidence is in plain sight. Consult Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

I'm one of these 'A & E for truth' by the way.
Which is why I always had the afore-posted opinion on the Baghdad embassy -I know the acquisition, conceptual, planning, design, construction documents and bidding timelines -and it must have been prolonged for something that size and scope, even with the "No bid" situation gifted to Cheney's old firm Haliburton/KBR.
The whole thing reeks of a grand circle of corruption and greed. And we're paying for it!
 
 
+5 # Sully747 2013-01-14 10:22
Maybe they did invent it as you say....Look up Operation Northwoods.... 53 years ago they did it.
 
 
+53 # grouchy 2013-01-13 23:58
From the initial saber rattling leading up the the Iraq invasion, I was asking myself "What the hell is going on here"? It never did make sense nor does it now--except for the oil and the fact that so many in the Bush administration were genetically linked to that evil. In the "end" of course, the scammers of the whole mess should have gone to prison for a few decades. They never will nor will future such scammers.
 
 
+36 # grandma lynn 2013-01-14 04:33
We shouldn't forget that it turns out Afghanistan's looming mountain reaches are rich in rare earths, that our technology industry needs.
 
 
+14 # jazzman633 2013-01-14 11:27
Hear, hear, Grouchmeister!

But it's far from the first time that a bellicose US govt. has cooked up a war (Mexican War, Spanish-America n War, Vietnam, etc., etc.).

There were protests, here and abroad, during the Iraq buildup, but Bush, Cheney and the other warmaniacs ignored them (and the Constitution, which gives war powers to Congress) -- because they could. IMHO, there's WAY too much unquestioning obedience in this supposedly free country.

Yes, Bush & Co. should be tried as war criminals -- but that's only for the losers. (Even worse: they ignored info. on the coming 9/11 attacks because they were so obsessed with Iraq. The govt.'s own 9/11 report says that!)
 
 
+8 # wrknight 2013-01-14 12:08
And don't forget the personal desire to avenge the assassination attempt on "daddy" Bush.
 
 
+43 # ruttaro 2013-01-13 23:59
I see "Idiot America" all through this! The drones spreading anthrax up the Hudson? Or his missles pointing at Washington? How about Sadaam's secret submarines waiting to lay waste to the East Coast with WMDs? (I asked at the time, how did he get them through the Straights of Hormuth without being detected and what would that say about the money we are spending for the Navy?)
Charlie, the "cranks" were in the WHite House! They sold it to the American people like a frontier snake oil salesman. They mixed the fear with some good old revival tent Bible thumping religion and the people were ready to charge Hell with a squirtgun to stop the Sadaam threat to our very existence! The whole sordid, sorry, stinkin' episode proves just one thing and that is for the American people, if it looks like Reality TV it must be real. They'll believe anything.

Listening to William Kristol and Elliot Abrams, it looks like "the cranks" are coming out of the septic tank again. Right wing radio is on board. Season Two begins.
 
 
-4 # Mannstein 2013-01-14 09:16
The Simon Wiesenthal Center even claimed Saddam was building gas chambers for a repeat of the alleged holocaust.
 
 
+21 # wrknight 2013-01-14 12:20
When you say "Idiot America" you have to include the idiot voters who elect and re-elect the politicians to Congress who allow presidents to do this kind of crap. The Constitution allows only Congress to declare war on another nation, but the fools we elected to Congress have abdicated their responsibility. If we want to change that, we have to get rid of those puppets and elect responsible politicians with the guts to stand up for and do what's right.

Never forget the quote: "We have met the enemy and he is us".
 
 
+38 # PABLO DIABLO 2013-01-14 00:09
"The United States of Amnesia" --- Gore Vidal
 
 
+30 # ishmael 2013-01-14 00:26
Since WWII (the "antidote" to the Great Depression in the US), the US seems to have become economically dependent on being at war. Korea: still technically at war, a truce based on ceding the north to the Kims. The Vietnam disaster.

The Iraq farce. And Mr Obama seems intent on continuing the charade by killing civilians in the ridiculous Pakistan drone campaign. The lost-long-ago Afghanistan misadventure.....

Sigh....
 
 
+37 # grandma lynn 2013-01-14 04:35
Sigh...
But Jesse Jackson was right in the early 1980s when as presidential candidate he preached "war spending hemmorhages the economy." It became truer with the Iraq War's no-bid contracts that sucked our national treasure right into the corporate coffers that made the 1% rich and the 99% needier than they need to be - if it weren't for war.
 
 
+28 # Mannstein 2013-01-14 09:19
This war never would have happened if the US still had the draft. People would have been in the streets had that been the case. No draft meant they just couldn't be bothered.
 
 
+8 # James38 2013-01-15 08:07
WWII was not invented as an antidote to the depression. The isolationists in the US tried hard to keep the US out of the war in spite of Hitler's capacity to defeat England and end democracy in Europe. Their lack of human decency is staggering.

The end of the depression was brought about by banking rule changes (Glass-Steagall ) along with higher tax rates on the wealthy and a continued redistribution of wealth that allowed the middle class to grow. That created demand and jobs hand in hand, which has always been the key to a good economy. Along with that came massive government spending (WPA, infrastructure, etc.)

We continued with a good economy and lower unemployment until amnesia and greed kicked in again, the banks were let off the leash, a stupid war (Iraq, Afghanistan) dried up the treasury, and the rich took control of the tax policy and the government again. Then we had the recent crash followed by the ridiculous bailout of the big banks. We will continue in peril of another crash until Glass-Steagall or equivalent is reinstated, the tax code is put in proper balance, and the people are once again given a chance to prosper.

All of this pales into insignificance if we continue to fail to confront Global Warming. The world must come to grips with that, quit the war games, quit the oil and coal game, or we all sink into broiling misery, if we survive at all.

20 to 50 feet of ocean rise by 2095? 10 feet will be devastating to the world. Wake up.
 
 
+56 # Alexis Fecteau 2013-01-14 00:37
"BLUNDER"?

TRY "WAR CRIME"! How about murder? How about torture? How about torture to death? How about treason?

Infuriating that this country still isn't calling for their heads and war crimes trials! ufb.
 
 
+13 # Alexis Fecteau 2013-01-14 00:38
Actually I agree with the article, just disagree with the title!
 
 
+51 # sibbaldflats 2013-01-14 00:44
The only people imprisoned for this are the whistleblowers (think B. Manning). The criminals are on their book tours. It's beyond shameful, a rogue nation.
 
 
+31 # The Oracle 2013-01-14 02:55
They're having huge concrete libraries built in their honor. They really should be living in an 8x8 concrete room with bars on the window.
 
 
+28 # jackdresser 2013-01-14 00:49
It was not a blunder. It was deliberate, orchestrated by Israel, its Lobby and its implanted neocons, to eliminate a hegemonic Middle East rival. The mechanism was the Office of Special Plans installed at the top of the DoD in Oct 2002 to sell the war to the gullible US public. It disbanded in mid-2003 after the propaganda job was done. Wolfowitz and Feith were the key principals involved. See the "Clean Break" memorandum written by this same cabal for the 1996 Netanyahu administration and their PNAC document of 2000. Brennan followed by Negroponte implemented the same culturocidal agenda employed under Reagan in Honduras. Negroponte's former deputy is now ambassador to Syria. Are you beginning to connect the dots?
 
 
+15 # grandma lynn 2013-01-14 04:37
Remember when Wolfowitz tidied his hair with spit?
 
 
+13 # Mannstein 2013-01-14 09:31
I remember Wolfowitz the morning he appeared for a press conference at a posh Baghdad hotel dressed in pyjamas. He looked like he was about to do it in his pants. The night before an RPG hit the hotel suite next to his. I'll never forgive the Iraqi for missing such a juicy target.
 
 
+12 # bmolloy124 2013-01-14 05:36
Am I paranoid, or ....

Do we have a situation here where the U.S. is tied somewhere to the hip of oil emmirates? And, isn't it interesting that that would be a "right wing" connection --- oil = big money, Wall St., Banks, stock market, global economy..And (!) the same right wing, which owns 99% of our airwaves (Got Murdoch, Got Cameron?) appears to be talking up the bogey of Iran--- while democratic uprisings of cit's in places like Syria and Egypt are being painted by that same right wing as "influenced by Muslim brotherhood"? The short of it, being pushed very simply and shallowly, by Hannity, et., al, is that Israel is immenently threatened by democratic uprisings...to boot, Pres. Obama, by not thwarting "uprisings" in Syria, etc., is inadvertently acting against our age old ally, Israel.. IOW,
organic uprisings favoring democracy are a threat to Israel and therefore, the U.S.? Hmmm...
 
 
+29 # sdraymond 2013-01-14 01:29
It was a Republican president who warned us all about the dangers of the "military industrial complex" whose billionaire moguls were trying to take over the country.

The next president didn't want to go into a real war (Although, like Obama, Kennedy did like to support little covert wars), so he was assassinated to make room for a president who did like big wars. Then when that man fell out of favor with the public, the man who would become the next president also didn't like big wars. So he was assassinated and we had a president who liked to expand the unpopular war in Vietnam into Cambodia and Laos. The military industrial moguls really liked that.

Then that president fell out of favor and the people elected a man who really disliked all wars. That was bad for business, so the big money went to an actor who also liked wars but couldn't remember why.

The moguls decided then that they needed to shape the national dialogue, so they began to take over portions of the news media and change the discourse, plus they created a cadre of like-minded politicos who took on the moniker of 'neo-cons'.

Their march to the right and the eventual take-over of the political establishment was temporarily blocked when a Democrat came into the white house. They tried to get him out of office because he did not know the meaning of sex and he didn't like to start wars.

That brings us to the 'need' to have another Pearl Harbor, the Iraq war and the utter disdain for Obama.
 
 
+13 # yellowearth69 2013-01-14 02:04
Mr. Pierce,
Please don;t presume that all of your readers are as well educated as yourself.
Case in point, you wrote:
"Let us be clear. The Avignon Presidency's excellent adventure in Iraq".
I have no idea what you are referring to as the "Avignon Presidency."
Please be thoughtful with respect to people such as myself.
 
 
+5 # Dion Giles 2013-01-14 05:51
Google
 
 
0 # indian weaver 2013-01-14 07:18
Google is no answer. We want to know why Avignon relates to this article for the author. Just knowing about Avignon is irrelevant here.
 
 
+14 # ishmael 2013-01-14 08:18
Idea is that the Bush II "presidency" was so monstrously and unapologeticall y corrupt that it represented a near-total departure from what the US at least pretended to be.

That seems a pretty accurate read of the author's intention.
 
 
+6 # tclose 2013-01-14 08:42
This is probably the best ref. for the term "Avignon Presidency":

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/11/1061243/-The-Presidency-in-Avignon-during-the-Financial-Pestilence

A good article too.
 
 
+21 # BeaDeeBunker 2013-01-14 02:14
After 9/11, Bush called for a 'Crusade.' Think about it; a the Christian President of the United States calls for a CRUSADE in the Middle East. King Arthur, where were ya when we needs ya?
I say shame on Yale and Harvard for giving any sort of degree to someone who did not know an iota of history regarding how the term 'Crusade' would resonate in the Middle East. Or maybe Bush was just reciting the lines that he was told to say by his handlers.
Either way, I still blame the pretzel guy who made those pretzels just a little too small!
 
 
+8 # Mannstein 2013-01-14 09:45
Don't you know Bush the Shrub and Blair were falling all over themselves wanting to look like that other war criminal Churchill. Had he also taken his place in the Nuremberg dock in 1945 we might never have had an Iraq war. Think about it. Matter of fact during the 1920s Churchill was involved with air dropping gas bombs on Iraqi civilians. That's something the majority of Americans don't realize. The one thing I give Obama credit for is sending Churchill's bust which was in the oval office back to the British embassy immediately after he (Obama) was sworn in.
 
 
+26 # The Oracle 2013-01-14 02:48
The same goes for those who questioned the Vietnam War. To this day they are called unpatriotic and worse. Kerry probably lost the 2004 election because of it. Comparisons to Iraq, however accurate, are similarly treated to this day. I protested the Iraq invasion from day one because of the Vietnam War. I'm guilty of believing both wars were illegal aggression that had zero to do with national defense.
 
 
+26 # The Oracle 2013-01-14 02:53
The idea that invading Iraq was somehow a defense of the United States was so absurd that I'm inclined to think Americans are very very stupid and ignorant people. And they're not any smarter today. Look at the gun issue and the NRA. Armed teachers and fortress schools are actually being discussed as acceptable. Jeeezus!
 
 
-3 # ishmael 2013-01-14 07:27
The Oracle, Bush II 's second election was clearly legitimate although the first was an obvious sham.

Doesn't that say something about The US Voter??? How bad did it have to get before the Party of No was replaced in the WH? (Hint: 2007 economic crash)

Some of them actually take faux as true.
 
 
+20 # bmiluski 2013-01-14 12:21
Excuse me but the owner of the company that made the voting machines in Ohio declared he would do anything to make sure that bush won his second election.
 
 
+2 # X Dane 2013-01-14 23:41
ishmael.
WRONG.
2004 election was STOLEN in OHIO. One of the people involved admitted to being involved. He was going to testify....but unfortunately he was killed in a plane crash before he could??????
 
 
+7 # wrknight 2013-01-14 12:26
You think there might be a connection with the American obsession with guns and the desire to conquer the world?
 
 
+24 # Artemis 2013-01-14 02:58
Don't forget all those who went out in the streets in Europe protesting against the war. Who refused to become allies in the so-called 'war'. Who knew exactly what was going on and why. It wasn't difficult, but for their pains their countries were insulted by America.
Nothing is going to change unless the people of America bring change. This means educating or informing a much larger percentage of the population and helping them to speak their mind in ways that bring the like-minded together. Obama's campaigns harnessed that force and perhaps saved us from a worse fate, despite that, one can only be horrified by many of his policies and the people he surrounds himself with.
 
 
+15 # propsguy 2013-01-14 08:23
i remember a war protest on the streets of NYC. i was at work, waiting for a friend to come pick up something i had done for him. he was very late and when he arrived he was white as a sheet.

it turns out, he had taken a cab down to me and as the cab attempted to make a detour around the protest, several armed police officers ordered the cab to drive directly into the "mob" of peacefully assembled protesters exercising their rights as Americans.

imagine my friend and his probably Muslim cab driver, crawling through a dense crowd, people touching their windshield, the meter running and my friend having to pay to disrupt an anti-war protest

they were both terrified. what a country!
 
 
+7 # Cassandra2012 2013-01-14 16:42
There were thousands being herded on the streets of Chicago by the 'blind loyalist' Chicago police the night before the invasion of Iraq.
Unlike in 1968, however, the fact that many being herded had cell phones to photograph and publicize the police's actions ; they had to stop herding the populace into paddy wagons because their illicit actions ended up on the evening news!
 
 
+9 # mppeace 2013-01-14 04:14
The NeoCONs formed the Mad C.O.W.s(Coaliti on of Oilers & Warmongers)prio r to 9-11, in order to start the militant "surge" to dominate the Middle East. Hence, 'Shock-and-Awe' over Baghdad happened, followed by Obama & the NeoLIBs' own surge into the 'Graveyard of Empires' in AfPak. Now the entire bi-partisan Yank Imperialist War Machine has 'regime change' aims in its gunsight on both Syria & Iran. This what 'bringing democracy tp the Middle East' looks like! Until the USA empire stumbles onto its own implosion(finan cial or otherwise), there won't be any change from its addiction to endless wars of aggression.
 
 
+4 # indian weaver 2013-01-14 07:23
Implosion with infrastructure collapses adding up here and there, and then everywhere, will be our undoing. This is the developing implosion. Not military crimes against humanity, but those crimes for money, and neglect of The People and the country is what will destroy this nation, by Obama and all those currently and past in power committing war crimes worldwide and domestically for their wealth - our Wehrmacht is on the same path that led to the Fall of the Roman Empire (read Gibbons book "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, it is very relevant to what is happening right here and now).
 
 
+23 # MainStreetMentor 2013-01-14 06:22
The potential to repeat the disaster that was the Bush/Cheney kakistocracy is STILL present. Nancy Pelosi had the opportunity and the authority to bring both Bush and Cheney up on charges - and refused to do it - so these two worst officials ever to head our government walk free today. They could have been made as examples of what nation of laws could and would do to ANYONE who breaks them. Without that - we have the potential to see it all happen again.
 
 
+18 # futhark 2013-01-14 08:31
Impeachment of government officials who abuse their power should NEVER be "off the table". Ms. Pelosi was delinquent in her duty to her office and the nation when she tacitly endorsed Cheney/Bush's criminal behavior by blocking moves to impeach them.
 
 
+8 # wrknight 2013-01-14 12:32
Maybe there should be a national "Right to Recall" to evict derelict public officials by popular vote as there is in a few of the more enlightened states.
 
 
+17 # walt 2013-01-14 08:26
Will this country ever demand a full and complete investigation into the Iraq invasion that was based on lies?

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz(the architect of the war) all walk free as we citizens are bashed with the need to continue cutting from our needs to repay the massive debt incurred from this crime. Not to mention the losses and disabilities of our loved ones who were misused and abused in this criminal act!

Let's all wake up and demand justice now. If this remains swept under the carpet, we will continue to live with the shame.
 
 
+20 # JAM 2013-01-14 08:32
Compare all of this to the Republican fuss with Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton over responsibility for the embassy in Libya - quite a farce!
 
 
+18 # intheEPZ 2013-01-14 08:57
A nation that punishes truth tellers (Wellstone: assassinated, Manning: tortured and scape goated for revealing the sickening hypocrisy and bestiality of our military, Drake nearly imprisoned for life for telling the truth about the NSA's incompetence and corruption,Kuci nich and Olver gerrymandered out of office, Obama prosecuting more whistle blowers than prev. presidents while pretending to strengthen whistleblower protections); a country that protects and idolizes liars (Bush, Cheney, Colin Powell, Reagan and those involved with the 9-11 inside job) does not deserve the respect of the international community. UN: please invade us. We are being held hostage by our own codependency with madmen, who have shredded our constitution and civil rights for their own greedy ends. Scrap it, and start over.
 
 
+24 # rtw 2013-01-14 09:14
#rtw
Please see Rush to War,a documentary that tells the TRUTH about
what the United States of America did to a defenseless people who
never caused us any harm. Hear George McGovern(before the war
began)talk about the true intentions of the Bush Administration.
Hear Howard Zinn speak of the true reason for our unwarranted invasion of a sovereign nation:OIL and PROFITS.
Listen to Joe Wilson talk about the fabricated nuclear threat
foisted on the American public by Bush,Cheney and Rice. Hear the truth told by authors and journalists like Chris Hedges,
Molly Ivins,Robert Scheer,Mark Danner and others. Most importantly,
think about the unintended consequences of this unmitigated disaster
for the world.
 
 
+9 # in deo veritas 2013-01-14 10:11
What an abomination we have become due to our abysmal ignorance and denial. This will not go on much longer before the ultimate Judge brings retribution upon all who made this possible. What a shame that the networks didn't have the guts to show this documentary and expose the architects of our demise.
 
 
+13 # in deo veritas 2013-01-14 10:12
I would have shown Rush to War in my classroom but I am certain I would have been fired by my closet Repug principal for doing it.
 
 
+16 # mrbadexample 2013-01-14 09:32
This article is particularly timely for me--I got involved in one of those threads on Facebook that nobody wants to see, and I was gobsmacked at how many respondents still believe we found WMD in Iraq and that Saddam was in on 9/11.
I think a big part of the problem is the attempt by Dems at the close of these disastrous events to have 'closure' by not ripping off the metaphorical bandage and seeing how deep the infection has gone.

http://moveforchangebkculturejam.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/dont-know-much-about-history/

And there's a problem if you don't reconcile truth with lies--it's now well-nigh impossible for the country to work on solutions to problems that only half the electorate recognizes. We can't continue to have a 'Tea Party' history side by side with an 'everyone else' history.
 
 
+17 # mrbadexample 2013-01-14 09:39
Last May, the government of Malaysia tried Bush in Absentia and convicted him of War Crimes in Iraq.
http://moveforchangebkculturejam.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/its-official-george-w-bush-is-a-war-criminal/

it takes a whole lot of searching on the internet machine to find this out. It would be nice if somebody--anybo dy--covering the Hagel hearings would bring this up.
 
 
+10 # in deo veritas 2013-01-14 10:17
It would be even better if more and more countries with their sense of decency left to them to get on board with similar actions and demand that this country either do the right thing by prosecuting the Bush crime family and its gang or else they sever diplomatic relations and all trade with us. Could the chicken-**** characters running the show now take on them all? LOL.
 
 
+5 # Edwina 2013-01-14 10:13
And now we are not hearing much about our intervention via drones in Pakistan & Yemen; nor the failure of our intervention in Libya, which violence is now spreading south; nor the threats to attack Iran from Israel and some of our own foreign policy "experts". We have a choice: we can continue to try to make the world safe for (Western) capitalism; or we can negotiate treaties that allow other countries to develop as they determine is good for them. Let's not make the mistake of all empires before us, and become the means to our own end.
 
 
+6 # Sully747 2013-01-14 10:28
I’m not a 9-11 conspiracy theorist,.... BUT,.. I do remember Operation Northwoods some 53 years ago..
It all came out in about 2003 thanks to the Freedom of Information Act of 1666 and you can read all about it online..!.
 
 
+20 # Sully747 2013-01-14 10:37
To all of those who sold the war on lies and deception. You should be charged with treason…
 
 
+6 # James Marcus 2013-01-14 11:07
Treason. Including, especially, the 9/11 'False Flag' attack, planned/perpetr ated by Our Own CIA (Mossad help, perhaps)....on the 'orders' from The Powers That Be ...
.....Think 'International Big Money', controlling not only The Bush Gang, but world-wide Government elements, as well, including beginning w Israel, another one of their PAWNS. War benefits who? Follow The Money!
 
 
+5 # Gord84 2013-01-14 12:13
Here is the article drafted by the neo-cons spelling out why they needed another Pearl Harbor. Pay attention to page 51:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
 
 
+5 # Deist 2013-01-14 12:17
One key factor of the war-mongering neoconservative s is religion. The father of the neocons, Leo Strauss, believed the world should be based on the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament with Israel over all. The Christian neocons like Pat Robertson and John Hagee use the OT to scare their flocks into blind support of the Jewish state of Israel. With Hebrew Bible/OT verses like Isaiah 60:12 which says that God said any nation that will not serve Israel "shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted." it's easy for the clergy and politicians to win support for yet more wars to benefit Israel.

The American founder and Deist, Thomas Paine, was correct when in his landmark book on God, Deism and religion, The Age of Reason, The Complete Edition, he called for a revolution in religion based on our God-given reason and Deism.

Progress! Bob Johnson
www.deism.com
 
 
+5 # Sully747 2013-01-14 13:27
Great blunders are often made, like large ropes, of a multitude of fibers. -Victor Hugo.. Les Miserables
 
 
+7 # fredboy 2013-01-14 14:14
Our massive debt and deficit are all due to the Bush Wars, the conflicts of lies designed to stream trillions of US dollars to the new Daddys Warbucks. A complete, shameful, disgraceful and deadly ripoff. Yet the drooling, saluting, praying legions supported it and still salute both disgraceful campaigns because they are sandwiched in a flag. We have witnessed--with the 9/11 attack and subsequent "wars"--the greatest and most successful criminal enterprise in world history.
 
 
+1 # hammermann 2013-01-15 05:10
I was one of those who was screaming about the criminal lunacy of invading Iraq at the time, for which I got to be on the Bush enemies list. Truly incredible no one has been punished for what was simple clear treason- Obama even let Darth Cheney call him a weakling without mentioning his $45 bil of war profiteering. Debated Patrick Kennedy 15 min at the start of the war to an embarrassed "yeah, you're probably right" (only one of RI Cong delegation to vote for war). My main site is overlimit, but might upload audio of that.

http://members.surfbest.net/~mikehammer/firmmind.htm

FIRM of MIND, SOFT on FACTS - Bush has, with a steady stream of lies, deceptions, and propaganda, has managed to convince half the country that Saddam supports Al Qaida or even was behind 9-11. Iraq invasion historic blunder that may echo through the decades- (eve of war) 3-18-03 Liberal Slant, Bartcop ALT WARBLOG 3/19-5/19
 
 
+1 # noitall 2013-01-15 12:31
The history of America is one of history repeating itself; ever wonder why? The truth hurts and Americans are very adept at not "getting hurt". For starters, read Howard Zinn's "The People's History of the United States" (hint: you won't find it in our schools).
 

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