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Ash writes: "You will either confront the Israeli right wing now, or confront them after unimaginable carnage and global security destabilization."

The world is watching the United States as Israel continues its assault on Gaza. (photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
The world is watching the United States as Israel continues its assault on Gaza. (photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)



Mr. President: Call Off Benjamin Netanyahu

By Marc Ash, Reader Supported News

18 November 12


Reader Supported News | Perspective

 

ear Mr. President,

Understand this now, the ongoing assault of Gaza by the Israeli military harms the people of Gaza, harms the people of Israel and harms the people of the United States, and that may only be the beginning. You will either confront the Israeli right wing now, or confront them after unimaginable carnage and global security destabilization.

The rockets fired by Hamas have no military significance. Their sole aim is to focus world attention on the situation. It is a classic Gandhian strategy, not - as you well know - a realistic threat to the safety of Israeli citizens.

Hamas' military commander Ahmed Jabari was targeted after truce was negotiated. His assassination was an act of Israeli retribution, and was intended for the sole purpose of provoking a military confrontation.

If Israel's fortunes are harmed they are harmed by their gun-toting right-wing. There is a vibrant Israeli-left-resistance that the US has for years utterly ignored. Lend your voice to the Middle Eastern peacemakers, rather than the war makers. Act quickly, time is of the essence.


Marc Ash was formerly the founder and Executive Director of Truthout, and is now founder and Editor of Reader Supported News.

Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work. Permission to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader Supported News.

 

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+178 # futhark 2012-11-18 10:00
I hope Mr. Obama will also reconsider his oft repeated seemingly unconditional support for Zionist Israel. It does not benefit the United States to be seen as being aligned with a nation that routinely dispossesses its indigenous inhabitants and holds these displaced persons in what amounts to a gigantic concentration camp, restricting their access to medical supplies and the material resources for life.
 
 
+146 # Taymee 2012-11-18 11:18
Am I the only one that sees parallels to what Israel is doing to the Palestinians and what we in America did to the natives? If we weren't in the right for what we did, neither are they
 
 
+80 # munza1 2012-11-18 12:23
When George Bush visited Israel he spoke glowingly about how much the two countries had in common, shared the same values. He didn't mention how both had driven out the indigenous peoples, taking their land, their water, and thinking of them as The Other, savages.
 
 
-78 # kalpal 2012-11-18 14:57
No one thought of Arabs as savages till they began to attack and savagely murder Jews who had bought land and were working it.
 
 
+37 # coach777b 2012-11-19 05:36
Bought land from whom? We're these previous "owners" the true owners or like early Americans who stole the land from its true owners? The left wing in Israel is treated as traitors but they may be its last hope. War, especially nuclear war , is no the answer!
 
 
+20 # dkonstruction 2012-11-19 08:38
Quoting kalpal:
No one thought of Arabs as savages till they began to attack and savagely murder Jews who had bought land and were working it.


Actually, if you read Edward Said's Orientalism (amongst other works) it is clear that there is a long, long, history of dehumanizing people's who were not part of Judeo-Christian Western Civilization (though this of course was never restricted to Arabs but also routinely included Africans, Asians and others that were at the time not considered white.
 
 
+18 # Third_stone 2012-11-20 06:50
When Winston Churchill was trading the Palestinian land to the German Jews, he said publicly that the Palestinians were less than human. He said this of a people who knew civilization before the time your bible was written, long before Winston Churchill's people learned to build cities.
 
 
+3 # elijahblue 2012-11-20 03:00
Oh, you mean like the whites did to the Native American. Don't tell anyone, but the US failed in their attempt at genocide.Bush is gone and Obama is ignoring Israel just fine. Oh, by the way, I'm a crazy one for thinking that Iran has nuclear capability now.
 
 
+3 # Douglas Jack 2012-11-20 09:02
Elijahblue, NUCLEAR CAPABILITY Colonialism is wrong anywhere for any reason or belief system. As far as nuclear 'capability', one has to analyse not only nuclear fission, yellowcake, refinement, separation but then arduous technologies for: 1) construction of the fail-safe trigger, 2) ability to deliver ie bomb (by continental missiles or airplanes) with 3) mapping, guidance-system accuracy over great distances, 4) awareness of USSR, USA, Chinese worldwide defence-shield information & response systems & much more. Technologies for each of these capabilities cost huge investment only feasible in complex industrial economies where hundreds of millions of people in nations such as the USA, USSR, Britain, France, (NATO) China are extremely specialized, where national & alliance (eg. NATO) economies enable devoted specialization. Iran doesn't have 1 - 4. Countries like India or Pakistan don't have effective 3 & 4 so as to be paper tigers only. Israel has the most hyper 1 - 4 in the world per capita because of finance control in a diverse multi-national commerce military-indust rial infrastructure. Given its climate of religious/racia l chauvinism, institutional/p opular fear & 'hates', Israel can hyper responds to any threat so even in 20 years from now, Iran would be hopelessly out-gunned in nuclear capability. Iran clearly knows this & has stated so. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/2-mutual-aid
 
 
-50 # munza1 2012-11-18 12:28
Obama can't do anything but 'fully support Israel'. He would risk impeachment. When someone proposed that Israel become a state and have two senators, the answer was why, now we have a hundred senators. Let's hope Obama is making a deal and that is go ahead have a free hand with the Palestinians, but I'm going to stop you from attacking Iran and drawing us into it.
 
 
-48 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-18 13:55
Yes, you are the only one.
 
 
+36 # reiverpacific 2012-11-18 18:12
Quoting The Voice of Reason:
Yes, you are the only one.

To quote a late presidential candidate "There you go again!"
Nutty-Yahoo is a war-mongering, trigger-happy proto-Fascist (and I use the term advisedly and after much analysis) fanatic itching to use "Every means necessary" at his disposal to create a climate of fear and intimidation around the whole eastern Mediterranean. Israel has more fire power and a 200-warhead (at least) nuclear arsenal beyond the capability of the rest of the surrounding Arab States combined (and the most efficient covert killers in MOSSAD), supplied by the same US military-indust rial monster that arms Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Quatar, UAE, now and previously Iraq and other "Favored Nations", supplied without favor for profit -but Israel has the extra-favored status via the seemingly invincible Israeli lobby here, without which resource it would be as harmless as a toothless Cobra.
Unfortunately, the Nuttty-yahoo himself would, I have no doubt, resort on nuclear weaponry before he would work with the Palestinians he is trying to de-humanize.
Remember how both Obama and the former French PM Sarkozy agreed that N-Y was a pain in the neck to deal with and Obama seemed to avoid him on his last visit here.
I hope that Ob' garners the courage and backing to confront this perpetual itch deep in the region's anus before it draws more and fresher blood. But I'm not hopeful.
 
 
+1 # Sacrebleu! 2012-11-20 15:48
No, he is not. With me that's two.
 
 
+49 # X Dane 2012-11-18 15:04
Taymee.

No you are NOT. Netanyahu is spoiling for war and for getting rid of ALL Palestinians

He keeps STEALING more and more of the occupied land by building settlements, that he KNOWS full well is infuriating the Palestinians.

To make it even more offensive and painful for the Palestinians... they are in most cases doing the building of the homes for the Jews, because they are desperately poor and need the work.
It must be horrible....

And WHAT can any American president do??? He is totally hamstrung by American Jews, Who really should be working hard to make the Israelis understand that they are on a dangerous LOOSING COURSE by not instituting the two state solution.

Do they not realize, that SOON the Jews will be THE MINORITY?? Then WHAT?? I hope Netanyaho will be BOOTED from office in the upcoming election.
 
 
+11 # dkonstruction 2012-11-19 12:17
Quoting X Dane:
Taymee.

No you are NOT. Netanyahu is spoiling for war and for getting rid of ALL Palestinians

He keeps STEALING more and more of the occupied land by building settlements, that he KNOWS full well is infuriating the Palestinians.

To make it even more offensive and painful for the Palestinians...they are in most cases doing the building of the homes for the Jews, because they are desperately poor and need the work.
It must be horrible....

And WHAT can any American president do??? He is totally hamstrung by American Jews, Who really should be working hard to make the Israelis understand that they are on a dangerous LOOSING COURSE by not instituting the two state solution.

Do they not realize, that SOON the Jews will be THE MINORITY?? Then WHAT?? I hope Netanyaho will be BOOTED from office in the upcoming election.


Not all American Jews agree with Netanyahu or any of the other Labor politicians that have also supported similar policies vis-a-vis the Palestinians. For example, see the latest piece by Rabbi Michael Lerner and his Tikkun network.

http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/12349

Just as we are right to criticize those that paint all Palestinians with one braod brush as if they are a monolith we should not doing the same when it comes to either Israeli's or American Jews.
 
 
+3 # captain communist 2012-11-19 10:59
i agree, but we killed 90%
 
 
+3 # Third_stone 2012-11-20 06:45
The only apparent difference being that initially we did not cut off the indians flight west and North, so we were not bombing fish in a barrel.
 
 
+1 # patw 2014-01-20 19:40
no, you're not alone. To defend the Israeli settlements in the Palestinian West Bank, a Jewish settler told me,"we're just doing what you did to the Indians." I reminded him we also used to buy and sell slaves and before that women were burned at the stake for being witches, and that human beings have acted in lots of despicable ways that are illegal and unacceptable now. And that evicting the Palestinians from their land and uprooting their trees and forbidding them to pump water from their own aquifers and forcing them to buy water from Israeli water trucks instead, and other similar behaviors are all illegal today.
 
 
0 # robcarter.vn 2014-01-20 22:13
Yes I don't see how these dogooder religious of any side can quote God "thou shalt not kill"& then "Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord" then justify the 60+ American wars in as many years. That's why they hve NEVER WON A WAR THIS PAST CENTURY.

Quoting patw:
no, you're not alone. To defend the Israeli settlements in the Palestinian West Bank, a Jewish settler told me,"we're just doing what you did to the Indians." I reminded him we also used to buy and sell slaves and before that women were burned at the stake for being witches, and that human beings have acted in lots of despicable ways that are illegal and unacceptable now. And that evicting the Palestinians from their land and uprooting their trees and forbidding them to pump water from their own aquifers and forcing them to buy water from Israeli water trucks instead, and other similar behaviors are all illegal today.
 
 
+79 # Erdajean 2012-11-18 12:12
Thank you, Futhark. When Obama first called in Zionist-above-a ll Rahm Emanuel to be his first adviser, we knew the Right Wing of Israel was going to rule the roost. Clearly, the Right Wing of anything lives on aggression and an unending battle for control of all the territory it can grab. No one else has a right to be on earth.
Was it not inevitable that when Obama -- ever Mr. Conciliation -- won the election, Netanyahu felt empowered to crank up the war machine we've so bountifully supplied? Of COURSE I am thankful Obama won -- but it is past time for him to understand that Netanyahu does NOT speak for all Jews -- of whom a large humanitarian legion on the Left is actively dedicated to peace and justice for Palestine, and across the Middle East.
 
 
+20 # Rita Walpole Ague 2012-11-18 18:01
Yes! And I also hope that those of us who truly seek liberty, justice, and peace for all, will wake up to Mr. Obama's under wraps signing this past New Year's Eve (vs. vetoing, as he said was his intent) the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act, and it's total tossing of rule of law into the toilet, with military arrest of civilians permitted, no charges/due process, indefinite detention, et. al. evil et. al.. Hardly good judgment and/or responsible action.

As Michael Moore has prompted us, time to push harder than hard on this re-elected Pres..
 
 
+1 # Douglas Jack 2012-11-25 11:18
Futhark is a Norse leader who 1800 years ago instituted 'Runes' as a system of phonetic 'letters' used as the Norse writing system among other accomplishments . https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/5-collaborative-language
 
 
+1 # futhark 2012-11-25 19:06
Pleading guilty as charged, Douglas Jack: the "alphabet" is named for the first two letters in the Greek listing: "alpha" and "beta". My "futhark" is named for the first six letters, "fehu", "uruz", "thurizaz", "ansuz", "raido", and "kaunan". They are drawn as line segments and have few curves, the easier to have them engraved on wood, stone, or bone.

Mastering them was easy and allowed me to write cryptic reminders to myself of the board of my high school classroom. Some students developed enough interest to teach themselves. Well, anything to get the old intellectual juices running!
 
 
+149 # mdj 2012-11-18 10:38
The cruel and unjust treatment of the Palestinians has gone on for years. The Isreali right wing have become the very Nazi's they hated. They are inflicting the same kind of terrible treatment that was inflicted on them. How tragic it all is.
 
 
+53 # NanFan 2012-11-18 10:40
Hear, hear!

N.
 
 
-52 # DaveM 2012-11-18 10:46
Both sides need to sit down and talk to each other. Perhaps the U.S. can broker such talks, but we cannot guarantee results.

I regard the current Israeli military actions as excessive (at least 300 bombing runs by aircraft yesterday). However, they are shooting back at people who are shooting rockets at them. We can hardly expect any sovereign nation to "sit and take it" indefinitely.
 
 
+75 # David Starr 2012-11-18 11:44
@DaveM: A sovereign nation doesn't protect its soveignty by justifying the roots of this conflict: Israeli occupation and extended settlements.

Remove that, and Hamas couldn't justify shooting rockets into Israel. They wouldn't be able to.
 
 
-45 # kalpal 2012-11-18 15:01
hatred and religion is the only justification Hamas needs and has ever needed
 
 
+10 # David Starr 2012-11-19 14:41
@kalpal: Seems Israel is into that hatred and religion, of their own versions. The Israeli right gives Israel only insecure "security." The Israel Left would give the real thing by being intelligent enough to directly understand root causes.

Care to comment on Israel's occupation and settlements? I bet the Israeli Left isn't denying it. All the more they should be in power.
 
 
+49 # bingers 2012-11-18 14:34
Quoting DaveM:
Both sides need to sit down and talk to each other. Perhaps the U.S. can broker such talks, but we cannot guarantee results.


Carter was this (||) close, but then Reagan came in and undid all his good work.
 
 
-33 # kalpal 2012-11-18 15:01
What exactly do you say to a group whose charter insists it will detroy your nation and kill your people? Would "knock it off" work?
 
 
+9 # David Starr 2012-11-19 14:44
@kalpal: Don't you think "True Israelites" like Netanyahu are behaving like their ancestors? After all, God "told" them to slaughter neighboring tribes. Is this some ancient charter to destroy others' nations and kill thier people?
 
 
+29 # reiverpacific 2012-11-18 18:13
Quoting DaveM:
Both sides need to sit down and talk to each other. Perhaps the U.S. can broker such talks, but we cannot guarantee results.

I regard the current Israeli military actions as excessive (at least 300 bombing runs by aircraft yesterday). However, they are shooting back at people who are shooting rockets at them. We can hardly expect any sovereign nation to "sit and take it" indefinitely.

Palestine, "The world's biggest open-air prison" has been sitting and taking it for decades now!
 
 
+21 # Dorcas Black 2012-11-18 10:52
How dare Marc Ash sully Ghandi's name by calling the repeated Hamas rocket fire "a classic Gandhian strategy, not - as you well know - a realistic threat to the safety of Israeli citizens." Since when did Ghandi propose any sort of violent confrontation? It is a sad day when the liberal press apologizes for violence targeting innocent civilians as a "classic Ghandian strategy."
 
 
-11 # kalpal 2012-11-18 15:02
Just because your neighbor is a poor shot in no way implies he will always miss.
 
 
-2 # Cassandra2012 2012-11-19 16:11
Gandhi not 'Ghandi', but I absolutely agree with you, Dorcas.
 
 
+4 # Douglas Jack 2012-11-19 16:53
Dorcas Black & Marc Ash, Mohandas Gandhi practiced pro-active economic strategies which had gatherings & marches, but more about celebrating 'indigenous' (Latin = 'self-generatin g') capabilities of Indian people in Spinning-thread , weaving cloth, growing food, making salt, building collective ashram homes & all forms of mutual-aid than in lobbying the British colonial government.

The Palestinian people are a wonderful example of mutual-aid among themselves with extremely limited resources. Resources & food rationed to Gazan residents, the West Bank & to Palestinians living in Israel proper. Not only are resources rationed but Israeli Defence Forces IDF are bulldozing destroying an average of 13 Palestinian homes per day as well water systems, olive-groves & other infrastructure necessary for living. Palestinian people represent a wide variety of beliefs including diverse Muslim & Christian faiths (with a minority of Jews who offer solidarity) who are living & working together in the face of mostly Europeans who refuse to recognize traditional business, land & building ownership title. With now millions of displaced peoples cut-off from regional resources & without recognition for thousands of years of heritage, most Palestinians have gone beyond the non-violence which Gandhi proffered. 'Satyagraha' (Hindi 'truth-search') is a process by which all should be called to participate in. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/1-both-sides-now-article
 
 
+5 # LADELMAN123 2012-11-18 10:55
WE ARE IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT THAT IT IS A HORRIBLE SITUATION AND MUST BE STOPPED.
IF PRES OBAMA DEMANDS THAT ISRAEL STOPS, WHO WILL DEMAND THAT HAMAS STOPS THE ROCKETS?
YOUR SIMPLE DISMISSAL OF THE ROCKETS AS "not - as you well know - a realistic threat to the safety of Israeli citizens" IS RIDICULOUS!
I WONDER IF YOU WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WERE LIVING THERE AND WERE UNDER THE THREAT OF NEW AND MORE POWERFUL ROCKETS BEING RAINED DOWN ON YOU??
YES - THE WHOLE THING MUST BE STOPPED - BUT BY BY BOTH SIDES!!
 
 
+73 # David Starr 2012-11-18 11:53
@LADELMAN123: Remove the roots of the conflict, Israeli occupation and extended settlements, and that could go a long way in giving negotiations a better chance based on an equal, mtual agreement.

Regarding whoever's family is living
there, Palestinian's have a bigger cause for protest since they're facing Israeli fighter jets, bombing, a potential ground invasion, and the fact that Israel has nuclear capabilities.

Remove the root cause: Israeli occupation and extended settlements. Then, no doubt, no more rockets.
 
 
-41 # kalpal 2012-11-18 15:06
Hamas occupies Gaza. Israel does not. Israel blockades Gaza in an attempt to stop Hamas from building up a bigger arsenal. At some point it may become necessary to root out all of Hamas. This will create a massive charnel house since hamas seeks to have as many Gazans killed as possible or they would cease using them as human shields.
 
 
+7 # David Starr 2012-11-19 14:47
@kalpal: Israel has been occupying Palestinian land for years. Hamas is a rather recent entity in terms of governing. Will Israel stop the occupation and settlements?
 
 
-15 # stannadel 2012-11-19 02:52
David, read the Hamas Charter & then see if Hamas will stop shooting for long as long as Israel continues to exist. For Hamas and its supporters who chant "Palestine will be free from the river to the sea" Israel is occupied territory and Hamas won't stop shooting until there is no more Israel--they say Hudnas/truces yes, peace never.
 
 
+5 # David Starr 2012-11-19 14:50
@stannadel: Is this justification to occupy a neighbor for years on end? Perhaps this jusitifies Hamas' "charter"? If so, what an irony.
 
 
+1 # robcarter.vn 2012-11-18 22:28
Sure no need for US to interfere in every damned war in the world. Sixty + in as many years that's UK old style and did it do them any good? Noleave it be and less to fix when half are dead. We can't play genocide, but we pretend blinded CIA they have better to do in Tamper & our new cover story "Pivotal" something.

Islam & Jews have been fighting since Moses was in short pants. Over 4,000 years and what good did Lion-hardon Richard and UK cruisades achieve?

French lessez Faire sounds more appealing to USA half a world away in any of 4 diirections.

Cum to think of ot I fancy "One Direction" a great pommy pop group, & their 'why are you so beautiful'? says it well. Because your CIA make love not war, you sack 3 generals & kill an Ambassadors why? So GWB & his Blair mate don't face ICCJ fate as Sad-man did. Bush dad lost it, GWB lost it wait for Jebby to try again and make Corporate War Machine 1% richer? Least you get some breathing space to get outa debt and on track. Cleaver GOP leaving Obi-wan-can-I-b e take the nheat and they take 2016 for 2 next decades.
 
 
0 # bingers 2012-11-23 19:14
Islam hasn't existed for 4000 years.
 
 
+1 # NAVYVET 2012-11-24 06:13
Since Muhammad was born late in the 6th century AD your comment is very peculiar unless you mean it as a joke. 4000 years ago there was NO religion as we know it. Villages and nomad tribes "out in the sticks" were animists who relied on male or female shamans. The official religions of countries like China, Egypt and Babylon were designed to prop up the power of the monarch and the state. No genuinely ethical religion and no monotheist faith yet existed.

Suddenly, around 500 BC (give or take a couple of hundred years) the Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists, Greek pre-Christians, and to a lesser extent Egyptian pre-Christians and the Near Eastern Mystery religions, started developing deep ethical principles. Perhaps the rapid spread of these ideas was inspired by the Greeks, or by the Jews, or both--or simply by an increase in mystical practices that often foster freethinking and humanistic dissenting ideas. Muhammad, a mystic who had several Jewish and Christian friends, learned to admire tolerance and compassion too, but Islam began almost a thousand years later.
 
 
+1 # futhark 2012-11-24 09:09
NAVYVET, your comment shows a great deal of insight. I have been wondering myself lately at the propensity for humans to want a deity that is a hierarchical "Lord" over them. Who really wants to be a serf? By tying in the origin of monotheistic religions with the rise of nation states, most of which were tyrannies of one sort or another, we get some insight into how the thinking of people on political and religious topics took parallel paths.

I still find it paradoxical that people who pride themselves as being part of a politically democratic society, whose philosophical root is "We, the People", should prefer a tyrant God, an omniscient super-surveilla nce entity, who must be served under penalty of eternal damnation.
 
 
+2 # NAVYVET 2012-11-24 10:04
Me too, Futhark, but that's why I chose freethinking, democratic, passionately social justice committed Unitarian Universalism. Due to grassroots insistence, our hymnal makers have excised the word "Lord" or "King" from our hymnals, we have rejected the concept entirely, especially those of us who believe in Process Theology where both God and creation are evolving together. In 56 years I've never met a UU who believes in "hell". A few believe in some sort of afterlife--that 's everyone's privilege to draw their own conclusions as free people. If I could invent an afterlife if would be something like a gentler version of Dante's endlessly educational "purgatory" where we learn to be ever more deeply ethical, but I have no idea what happens when we die, maybe eternal sleep. I only know that NO human being is ready for the kind of sublime "heaven" Dante envisioned--muc h as I love that epic poem--and the 14th century poet didn't have the slightest idea of evolution, astronomy and cosmology which you and I must consider. Mark Twain was brilliant in satirizing the "heaven" most Fundies seem to want in LETTERS FROM THE EARTH. If you haven't read that, please do! Twain's question was: Why would anyone actually want to go to such a boring place? I enjoyed a waggish comment made by a UU minister about 20 years ago. She said that if the people who are in pain and need the most empathy and help are in "hell", then she hoped she could go there to be their loving friend.
 
 
+1 # Douglas Jack 2012-11-24 11:36
NAVYVET, Good summary. 'Religion' (Latin 'religio' = 'to relate') once had a sense of sharing between faiths. Humanity's 'indigenous' (L 'self-generatin g') ancestors everywhere, lived in multihome communities which impeccable ecological harvesting /planning/desig n for sun, wind, rain/snow, fecal-biodigest ion, biosphere, wildlife etc. Time-based accounting on 'string-shell' calculator/symb ols for progressive ownership from youth to elder integrating capital, currency, social-security , math-based communication, costume & other community values. Cultivating 3-dimensional polyculture orchards of every continent meant abundant crops for everyone with very little labor (1 hour / day). When 2-D 'agriculture' (L 'ager' = 'field') cuts down massive productivity of trees & other plant levels, then desertification , scarcity, poverty & civil strife, rivers flooding & drying become predominant. Indigenous people living in abundant ecological-econ omy & walkable proximity with intergeneration al mutual-aid sharing need no religious abstraction. Indigenous religion is based in acts & communication about life & love. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/design/1-indigenous-welcome-orchard-food-production-efficiencies
 
 
+1 # futhark 2012-11-24 19:39
NAVYVET and Douglas Jack - I was raised as a Unitarian Universalist, which is accounts for some of my skepticism about religions that posit an autocratic super-surveilla nce sneak of a tyrant god that must be worshiped and "served", usually by contributing money to a church of some kind.

Douglas Jack, your thinking about the place of humanity within the natural world seems very much to parallel to that of the late Paul Shepherd, whose books are as revolutionary and important as they are difficult to read. During my years of teaching high school biology I encouraged students to explore the concept of an ecological niche as it applies to humanity, which is the core of Shepherd's work. However, I never had a great deal of success with this. People would rather believe in some kind of unlimited potential for humanity and are very uncomfortable with the idea that we have evolved to fill a specific ecological niche.
 
 
0 # Douglas Jack 2012-11-24 22:00
Futhark, Navyvet, Thanks for the link to Paul Shepherd. Makes 3 of us with Unitarian-Unive rsalist ties. I have old UU family roots but my parents never told me until after I had joined UU free-thinkers. However I've gone off the boat & consider myself a Longhouse practitioner of being the religion, rather than 'believing'. If churches, synagogues, mosques, temples etc just convert into multihome dwellings in the interactive indigenous tradition, then folks can become the change which they want to see in the world. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/e-history/8-relations
 
 
+57 # beeyl 2012-11-18 10:56
My hope is similar to futhark's, but it's a long shot. Unfortunately, when you openly boast of having a due-process-fre e kill list for US citizen, it's hard to claim the moral standing to effectively call Netanyahu off of (or out on) anything.
 
 
+59 # lasholiver72 2012-11-18 11:16
I agree!! Call off Nentenyahu
 
 
-27 # kalpal 2012-11-18 15:08
In 2009 Israel was called off and was repaid by this Iranian notion that if everyone is looking at Gaza they are not looking at Iran. If there is a cease fire with Gaza Iran will call in Hizbollah to begin an attack from the north so as to keep pressure off Iran.

You can bet good money on this.
 
 
-41 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-18 11:18
When did Ghandi fire rockets?

Muslims should read their Qur'an, especially the chapter on Israel, al-Isra:

'And hearken in the darkness, for thy Lord hath destined for thee a Glorious Station, and ye shall serve the Lord with all thy might.' (17:79)

The refusal of Muslims to recognize Israel, based on the dictates of the corrupt leaders of their Faith, is in direct defiance to their own Holy Book. 'Behold, they have cast the Book of God behind their backs.'(2:101).

And here's another one:

9:107 There are some who have built a Mosque for mischief and for infidelity, and to disunite the faithful, and in expectation of him who, in time past, warred against God and His Apostle. They will surely swear, “Our aim was only good.” But God is witness that they are liars.

I have seen this mosque, and it is all of Islam today. The ones who are pious have been put to death by orders of the high command.
 
 
+47 # Felix Julian 2012-11-18 11:42
Not all the "pious" have been put to death. There are rabbis in high positions who are full-against the killing of muslims and others. And there are still many, many "pious" muslims. Your comments are painting an awful lot of people with a very broad brush. While we're at it, how about the Christian Ten Commandments of which the 4th tells us "Thou shalt not kill." God made no exceptions or qualifications.
 
 
-24 # kalpal 2012-11-18 15:13
It does not say "kill" in Hebrew it says "murder." There is a difference.
 
 
0 # robcarter.vn 2012-11-24 21:13
You are right Felix and USA claims such judeo-Christian superiority of faith. Then the Jews of Wall Street, Hollywood and 1%'rs owning the Corporate war machine demend ignor the 4th and buy more weapons, kill more etc, for my profit. Hollywood Jews expand and glorify that. Then Guns in every home, don't tamper with gun ownership, we have to sell more, how elase can Scrooge swim in bigger vats of gold? Yes Yankees can be proud of constant breaching of that 4th commandment in the name of being the most religious WASPs and Israel lovers. Thank God you firmly rejected Romney he'd be a GWBn on steroids I bet.But I don;t think they meant to win 2012 so let a dud lose it, 2016 run Petraeus after Obama suffers 4 years economic decline. Then Petraeus blew it with another commandment breach of fidelity. So who will they want next Jebb I guess? Bush family the Billy &B Franklyn inspired very religious who lost the 4th commandment onn the way to the wars, and gun laws for every gungho in the master race pilgrimage, Boston tea for energy, in that hypocritical race to oblivion
 
 
+39 # David Starr 2012-11-18 12:09
@TVR: It's quite unrealistic to think that every Muslim wants a nonexisting Israel. But Israel's historical part in this conflict, and its continuation, isn't going to give it a positive image among Arabs.

You seem to harp on Muslims defying their own Koran through violence. A story in the Old Testament of the Bible isn't exactly a case of Ghandian protest. Ancient Israelites claim their god, a vengeful and jealous one at that, ordered them to slaughter neighboring
tribes. The neighbors were "offensive" by believing in their own version. That's quite a legacy and hasn't been lost on the likes of a Netanyahu. The "True Israelite" and his right-wing supporters don't exactly get the good neighbor policy by continued occupation/inva sion of e.g., Palestinian territory.

I guess "God," as imperfect as he/she/it is, still has sense to witness liars in more ways than one.
 
 
-26 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-18 19:37
Here's what I don't get. Most of you RSN bloggers openly admit you don't believe in God, but you side with Muslims. And you are willing to overlook the most extreme, fanatic, violent, and oppressive Islamic regimes the world has ever seen. Do you think for a moment your liberal thinking, pro-abortion, pro-gay platform would last for even a second with these friends of Hitler?

What gives? Are you Muslim moles faking it as liberal bloggers? or just rabid Jew-haters at all costs. Same difference.
 
 
-15 # Robt Eagle 2012-11-19 05:16
Voice, RSN bloggers do not use logic or facts, they just "feel" that bad guys are ok to let do bad things, and we should all just live in peace. The RSN bloggers are living in a delusional bubble because they are protected by the US Military and our police locally. What would they be saying if their neighbors started kicking in their doors and beat them up? Same thing as Hamas spewing rockets indicriminately , but hey, let's not use fact or logic on the RSN blog!
 
 
+9 # genierae 2012-11-19 07:52
Mr. Eagle, there are no more "bad" Muslims in the world then there are "bad" Chistians, so why not demonize all Christians for the actions of some of them. Why tar all Muslims with the same brush?
 
 
0 # genierae 2012-11-21 11:28
Mr. Eagle, the truth is not a conspiracy, it stands on its own merit. Anyone who has been paying attention to the actions of the Israeli government for the past decades knows what its real intentions are toward the Palestinians, and those intentions are diabolical.
 
 
+8 # David Starr 2012-11-19 14:56
@Robt Eagle: You do sound infantile again. What about the occupation and settlements, which do exist? Got a response?
 
 
+9 # David Starr 2012-11-19 14:55
@TVR: I'm tempted to think you've lost your mind. Who here says they're siding with Muslims? I've said I oppose both Jewish and Islamic fanaticism. I also oppose the occupation and settlements. I also said I support Left/Progressiv e Jews/Israelis. How in the hell do get the warped impression of an RSN "anti-semitic" conspiracy?
 
 
-8 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-20 07:10
You are hysterical.

Do you oppose Jewish breathing as well?
 
 
+3 # dkonstruction 2012-11-20 08:02
Quoting The Voice of Reason:
You are hysterical.

Do you oppose Jewish breathing as well?


Someone stating that they "oppose both Jewish and Islamic fanaticism" is hysterical?

So, in your view, only those who are not in any way critical of Israeli state policies vis-a-vis the Palestinians is not being hysterical?
 
 
0 # robcarter.vn 2012-11-24 21:16
Yes I don't see how these dogooder religious of any side can quote God "thou shalt not kill"& then "Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord" then justify the 60+ American wars in as many years. That's why they hAVE NEVER WON A WAR THIS PAST CENTURY.
 
 
+5 # kalpal 2012-11-18 15:12
All religions ignore the parts of their holy books they find inconvenient. Why would they obey Allah? What has Allah done for them? Christians insist on graven images because their pagan contingent demanded that they do? Why do they ignore dietary restriction because the pagans would not join if they had to give up their comforting diets.
 
 
+76 # Barkingcarpet 2012-11-18 11:31
O.K. let me put this another way. As a human, I am sick of all the bullshit and slaughter. Period. Burn all the holy books and all the flags. Send most all the leaders to a special hell, and ALL of us, quit treating the commons of nature as
our birthright, to rape, pillage, and plunder, as we consume along, with little regard or awareness of all the destruction and wars which go into every turn of the key, and purchase. We humans go along with endless wars, we ignore Fukushima, and the gulf, we reward legitimate rapist bankers and thugs, etc. WHY, WHY, WHY? Master's, saints, and prophets, are reduced to profits, and mostly the only cheek we turn, leaves a stench, while we profess, and go to churches to do lip service, while people starve, are blown up, etc, etc, etc. Why?
 
 
-19 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-18 13:58
What we need is for a new Prophet to write a new Holy Book with new teachings for world order in this age that we live.

Any takers?
 
 
+27 # tbcrawford 2012-11-18 16:09
The last thing we need is another ideology! That's the cause of it all. Each one of us should stick to being grateful for all we have, share with those who don't, admit our mistakes and see the wisdom of innocence in the eyes of a small child. We must all be responsible for making this time on our planet a better life for all and show reverence for all we've been given.
 
 
-5 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-18 19:47
Quoting tbcrawford:
Each one of us should stick to being grateful for all we have,


Grateful to who? and by what standard? and 'reverence', careful, that's a religious word. If you want it both ways you might want to give credit where credit is due.

When you think about it, a new ideology requires a new Messenger, and an end to the outmoded concepts of who we are and how we govern ourselves. Just such a new Messenger appeared in 1844 in Iran, of all places. The Iranians imprisoned Baha'u'llah and executed His Herald. That's why they hate Israel, because they don't want to renounce their leadership, even if it means going all the way to hell for it.

Baha'u'llah's message of peace, world unity, letting our differences unite us landed Him in prison and exile for 40 years. If you look at only one page of His writings, you will see wisdom like it has never been revealed before and a plan for world order that we can all participate in bringing. Free of charge.
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2012-11-20 08:10
Quoting The Voice of Reason:
Quoting tbcrawford:
Each one of us should stick to being grateful for all we have,


Grateful to who? and by what standard? and 'reverence', careful, that's a religious word. If you want it both ways you might want to give credit where credit is due.

When you think about it, a new ideology requires a new Messenger, and an end to the outmoded concepts of who we are and how we govern ourselves. Just such a new Messenger appeared in 1844 in Iran, of all places. The Iranians imprisoned Baha'u'llah and executed His Herald. That's why they hate Israel, because they don't want to renounce their leadership, even if it means going all the way to hell for it.

Baha'u'llah's message of peace, world unity, letting our differences unite us landed Him in prison and exile for 40 years. If you look at only one page of His writings, you will see wisdom like it has never been revealed before and a plan for world order that we can all participate in bringing. Free of charge.


And of course Europe in 1844 was so full of peace, love, unity, and democracy that 4 years later (1848) there would of course be revolutions throughout the continent. And, of course, the US in 1844 was a bastion of democracy that extended full political rights to all of its citizens (except of course for those that were still defined as 3/5 of a person not to mention women or poor whites with no property/money) .
 
 
+4 # NAVYVET 2012-11-18 16:25
Read the 7 Principles of the Unitarian Universalist churches. Short and to the point. That may be what you are looking for, or at least an excellent start. When these are modified it's done democratically- -grassroots up--not from the top down.
 
 
+12 # X Dane 2012-11-18 18:27
TVR.

No holy book is needed....All we need to remember is...
TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WANT TO BE TREATED.

If we remember THAT AND live it. There is no problem. No prophet or book needed
 
 
-3 # EternalTruth 2012-11-18 20:01
Sado-masochists love that rule ;). What if we go with "treat others as they would be treated" instead?
 
 
+2 # X Dane 2012-11-19 16:29
EternalTruth.
That is splitting hairs,..... and silly. The majority of people, do understand what I said, and I think, also agrees!!
 
 
-2 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-18 19:38
I tell you what, just produce a chapter, a verse, or even a word that can guide the whole of humanity.
 
 
+2 # EternalTruth 2012-11-19 09:51
Does it have to be original? How 'bout: Love each person as yourself? That can guide all of humanity, but it doesn't. We don't need a new scripture. It's all been said. It's all there for those with ears to hear and eyes to see. The problem is that we proudly wear our blinders and call them justice and righteousness, when in reality they are but fear and ignorance.
 
 
+1 # EternalTruth 2012-11-19 10:07
Does it have to be origingal? How about: Love each person as yourself? That could guide the whole of humanity but it doesn't. I new scripture is not what is needed. Scriptures can and will be twisted to mean whatever the reader wants it to mean. It's all been written before, many times over. For those with ears to hear and eyes to see, there is no need for more scripture. For those wearing blinders, no truth can be seen and more scriptures are useless. The problem is that we wear our blinders proudly and give them names like "justice" and "righteousness" . But in reality they are but fear and ignorance. Love is the only response with the potential to overcome that fear and ignorance.
 
 
-2 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-20 07:11
Yes, it has to be original, if you deny the Bible, the Qur'an and other Sacred Writings are books of guidance.
 
 
+2 # dkonstruction 2012-11-20 08:12
Quoting The Voice of Reason:
Yes, it has to be original, if you deny the Bible, the Qur'an and other Sacred Writings are books of guidance.


So, in other words, no "secular guide" is acceptable to you such as the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights? If you object to this document as a guide or at least a fairly comprehensive starting point please let us know specifically what you have against this document and the rights/codes of conduct it spells out.
 
 
+4 # dkonstruction 2012-11-20 08:11
Quoting The Voice of Reason:
I tell you what, just produce a chapter, a verse, or even a word that can guide the whole of humanity.


It's called the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights....a good place to start...you should read it sometime.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml
 
 
-2 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-20 09:12
Congratulations ! Even though all those precepts can be found in the Baha'i Writings. But it's an excellent choice.

Now, when do the governments -- ALL governments -- live up to even one of those standards? Russia and China don't listen, ME Islamic regimes deny basic human rights to women and Baha'is and use torture as a legal sanction, the US is way too greedy to care about anything else.

How do we get the governments to behave?

The likely answer is the collapse of the present day order.
 
 
0 # dkonstruction 2012-11-20 14:01
Quoting The Voice of Reason:
Congratulations! Even though all those precepts can be found in the Baha'i Writings. But it's an excellent choice.

Now, when do the governments -- ALL governments -- live up to even one of those standards? Russia and China don't listen, ME Islamic regimes deny basic human rights to women and Baha'is and use torture as a legal sanction, the US is way too greedy to care about anything else.

How do we get the governments to behave?

The likely answer is the collapse of the present day order.


I agree with you that governments do not live up to these standards or follow the precepts outlined in the declaration.

Since we are Americans and not russians, chinese or from the middle east don't you think we should start right here at home since the US gov't does not adhere to the Declaration?
 
 
+2 # dkonstruction 2012-11-20 08:04
Quoting The Voice of Reason:
What we need is for a new Prophet to write a new Holy Book with new teachings for world order in this age that we live.

Any takers?


How about the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights?

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml
 
 
+47 # Barkingcarpet 2012-11-18 11:32
How do those of us with nothing, and no access to education EVER get access to the commons? Or even some clean water, or food, or how about shelter? We (as a whole) ARE complacent. Jews, Palastinians, Arabs, Canadians, etc, I don't give a RAT. What we have is an utter failure of communication, an unequal distribution of wealth, and the commons of nature which belong to all life, parceled, fenced off, owned, and defended, Me, mine, and mind. I was here first, or my government stole the land and claimed it, or sold it to "private" control to be exploited. Bah! We are the problem, not the idiots at the top. The world is only the way it is because WE allow it to continue along as it does, because we are ignorant, lazy, overwhelmed, comfortable, and too busy trying to make a buck to pay the bills, or staling a little bit of food, or trying to take a breath. I am so pissed at humans, how we treat each other, and the mess we have made of nature. Shame on all of us.
 
 
+2 # EternalTruth 2012-11-18 20:22
Yes. Shame. And yet, we can not begin the process of healing until we get over our anger and shame, and view the oppressors as well as the oppressed with compassion and love. If we make ourselves enemies of tyrants, we will never run out of tyrants to fight. If we love the tyrants, yet refuse to be complicit in their tyranny, we can truly change the world.
I fear that it may already be far too late for the world, yet you and I may still have a chance.
 
 
+16 # Timaloha 2012-11-18 11:40
"The rockets fired by Hamas have no military significance."

Unless it happens to fall on your roof.
 
 
+52 # Timaloha 2012-11-18 11:41
Nothing mankind has ever conceived is more evil or destructive than religion.
 
 
-28 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-18 14:00
Do you exempt Islam from that statement?

Mankind did not conceive religion, but God brought it to us through His Messengers. Man was left on his own devices when the Messenger departed this world for His retreats on high. Over time, their religions have been corrupted by selfish and 'foolish leaders who lead after their own whims and desire.'
 
 
+17 # tbcrawford 2012-11-18 16:13
You are so naive. Of course man invented deities...he needed answers to what he saw as mysteries of life. For heaven's sake, get real and don't flatter yourself as a voice of "reason"...you are not, nor can many claim this title.
 
 
-8 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-18 19:49
Then, great oracle of you, tell us the answers to the mysteries of life. And why are they mysteries to begin with? Shouldn't we know-it-alls know everything? or is it no-wit-alls.
 
 
+10 # X Dane 2012-11-18 18:32
TVR.

.....And the bible was faxed down to us from heaven???? Please grow up.
 
 
+4 # reiverpacific 2012-11-19 11:42
Quoting The Voice of Reason:
Do you exempt Islam from that statement?

Mankind did not conceive religion, but God brought it to us through His Messengers. Man was left on his own devices when the Messenger departed this world for His retreats on high. Over time, their religions have been corrupted by selfish and 'foolish leaders who lead after their own whims and desire.'

If you believe that, fine, but please change your nome de plume to "Voice of theocracy", or something more appropriate to a God-botherer of limited perspective.
Reason is for those capable of thinking for themselves and not looking for a divinity to dominate and steer them.
You appear more like the Islamist fanatics you keep diverting your ire onto no matter what the subject, than you seem to think.
Bother your God all you like but please keep it out of a socio-political forum.
May I suggest "The 700 Club" ("Club" as in blunt weapon of aggressive, exploitative deceit). There's one of the "Foolish leaders who lead after their own whims and desires" you evoke, innit.
 
 
0 # dkonstruction 2012-11-20 08:15
Quoting The Voice of Reason:
Do you exempt Islam from that statement?

Mankind did not conceive religion, but God brought it to us through His Messengers. Man was left on his own devices when the Messenger departed this world for His retreats on high. Over time, their religions have been corrupted by selfish and 'foolish leaders who lead after their own whims and desire.'


Since there are many, many who claim to be Gods Messengers or who have received messages directly from God who amongst us has been "ordained" to determine which messengers are "true" and which are "false"?
 
 
+2 # giraffee2012 2012-11-19 07:20
Quoting Timaloha:
Nothing mankind has ever conceived is more evil or destructive than religion.

A-Men, A-Women, A-Child
 
 
+44 # Justice 4 Everyone 2012-11-18 11:46
Please Please Mr President stop this senseless slaughterer of the innocents. Children are dying. Palestinian blood is just the same as Jewish blood.

To all decent freedom loving Jews and Gentiles. This has nothing to do with religion,this has nothing to do with Israeli security, this is about right and wrong. Pure and simple.

Collective punishment is exactly what the Nazis did in occupied Europe. Do not sit by silently.
 
 
+28 # Felix Julian 2012-11-18 11:47
The unfortunate use of Ghandi as an example of pushback is obvious but the thrust of this letter is spot-on. When Americans begin to understand just how much their tax dollars support the illegal zionist state (in the form of "defense grants") perhaps greater attention will be given to the reality that it is not as isolated as the occasional "over-the-top" slaughter of human beings trapped in the zionist-surroun ded Gaza Strip- it is the DAILY arrest, imprisonment, torture, abuse, thefts and overall genocide that occurs in Palestine. The President and others' use of the sickening "self-defense" defense has become hollow.
 
 
-6 # stannadel 2012-11-19 02:59
Now it's out in the open here, Israel is an "illegal zionist state." That is a call for its destruction--a real genocide as opposed to what is going on in Gaza. Where is the call for the elimination of that other settler state and the expulsion of its population--you know, the US. Why the double standard here?
 
 
-14 # Doctoretty 2012-11-18 11:48
I am not a fan of Netanyahu. But I don't think Hamas firing rockets is just "to call attention." They aim to kill Israeli's! Israel has the right to defend against them. The question is how and in what degree?
 
 
+34 # Mannstein 2012-11-18 14:18
Killing the Hammas Military leader last wednesday has consequences I'm afraid. It's called Blowback.
 
 
+11 # bingers 2012-11-18 14:38
Quoting Doctoretty:
I am not a fan of Netanyahu. But I don't think Hamas firing rockets is just "to call attention." They aim to kill Israeli's! Israel has the right to defend against them. The question is how and in what degree?


Bullspit!
 
 
-23 # rangeragainstwar 2012-11-18 12:04
Mr. Ash,

What about the carnage Israel faces?
 
 
+26 # bingers 2012-11-18 14:39
Quoting rangeragainstwar:
Mr. Ash,

What about the carnage Israel faces?


Carnage? Less than the carnage in a Colorado theater. The Palestinians face carnage and oppression from Israel every day.
 
 
-3 # rangeragainstwar 2012-11-19 13:54
bingers,

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting Israel rockets the P.A.? Are you bonkers?

Israel just wants to exist, and it is surrounded by nations sworn to its destruction. Perhaps Hamas and the Palestinians might tweak that part of their charter where it says they WILL destroy the land of Israel.

Its just not called being a real good neighbor, y'know
 
 
+10 # Billdog 2012-11-18 12:08
"Classic Gandhian strategy"??? Three Israelis were killed (and four wounded) when one of those Hamas rockets struck an apartment building in the town of Kiryat Malakhi. How, pray tell, can such a strategy be described as "Gandhian?"
 
 
+42 # tm7devils 2012-11-18 12:12
If you read enough, you will find out that the US government is the largest terrorist organization (militarily and financially) in the world. The Israeli government is probably second.
The Israeli government has broken almost every pact or agreement that it has made with palestinians and other arab factions since 1948.
A worse symbiosis - US/Israel - has never been formed!
Reading list:
"Failed States" and "Hegemony or Survival", by Noam Chomsky
"The Shock Doctrine", by Naomi Klein.
...be ready for your world to change...
 
 
-13 # jerry mack 2012-11-18 12:33
aw nuts..
 
 
+21 # Mannstein 2012-11-18 14:23
It is against US amd International law to provide military aid to any country that has not signed the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty yet possesses nuclear weapons. Such a country is Israhell.
 
 
0 # stannadel 2012-11-19 03:01
now you are making up phoney international law too. Crap.
 
 
-16 # Antemedius 2012-11-18 12:18
Marc, Obama's support of Netayahu's action - which in reality is material support of terrorism - is the evil that you urged everyone else to support on election day in your "Obama is the wiser path" capitulation on November 01
( http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/14305-obama-is-the-wiser-path )

You got what you asked for....
 
 
+16 # bingers 2012-11-18 14:40
Quoting Antemedius:
Marc, Obama's support of Netayahu's action - which in reality is material support of terrorism - is the evil that you urged everyone else to support on election day in your "Obama is the wiser path" capitulation on November 01
( http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/14305-obama-is-the-wiser-path )

You got what you asked for....



Under the Mittster we would have invaded the Gaza strip ourselves. Don't be obtuse.
 
 
+4 # Antemedius 2012-11-18 16:39
Under Obama you just did.
 
 
+20 # Erica 2012-11-18 12:23
I am not sure that our president has much control over their president. They are clearly not allies. Mr. N is facing an election and is trying to shift attention from domestic issues to national ones which he sees as more of a strength. He is not interested in furthering the peace process. There are layers and layers of difficulties in changing cultures, promoting tolerance, etc. Both sides are culpable and neither side seems able to take and hold a decent position for very long. It makes me very pessimistic about a decent outcome. Ever since Rabin was murdered by an ultra-orthodox Jew, Israel hasn't had a strong enough leader to move the country forward.
 
 
+10 # Human Right 2012-11-18 12:38
Bibi Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon are probably the most evil people to have ever walked on this planet, baring none.
 
 
+20 # Antemedius 2012-11-18 13:20
Outside of the people in Washington DC who bankroll, supply, and support them.
 
 
0 # bingers 2012-11-18 14:42
Quoting Human Right:
Bibi Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon are probably the most evil people to have ever walked on this planet, baring none.



Bad, yeah, but hardly in the league of Ivan the Terrible, Mao, Hitler, Stalin Genghis Khan, etc, etc, etc. Hell, not even in George W's league.
 
 
+7 # Timaloha 2012-11-18 15:13
Quoting Human Right:
Bibi Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon are probably the most evil people to have ever walked on this planet, baring none.


Yeah, They're SOOOO much worse than Hitler and Stalin.
 
 
+3 # bingers 2012-11-18 19:54
Quoting Timaloha:
Quoting Human Right:
Bibi Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon are probably the most evil people to have ever walked on this planet, baring none.


Yeah, They're SOOOO much worse than Hitler and Stalin.


WOW! And I got negatives for pointing out the exact thing. So Stalin's 60 million murders doesn't eclipse what the wingnuts from Israel have done? What world are you people from?
 
 
+6 # giraffee2012 2012-11-19 07:24
Quoting Human Right:
Bibi Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon are probably the most evil people to have ever walked on this planet, baring none.

Don't forget Cheney/Rove/etc .
 
 
+8 # Douglas Jack 2012-11-18 12:40
DIALECTIC RESOLUTION
Misinformation monologue fills controlled media. 4 Jewish voices stand in stark contrast for bringing us together.
We're continually being called to 'hates' (read '1984' by George Orwell) strategically by the Finance-Media-M ilitary-Industr ial-Complex. They know that; with our allegiance of 'hate' allegiance, then they can make & lead us into perpetual war & profits. Israel's election ignores social issues to feed upon war.

Cowardly side-stepping dialectic-discu ssion in relations at home, work, school, organizations, institutions leads to the same internationally . Humanity is called to bring both sides together. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/1-both-sides-now-article

Media subverts 'dialectic' ('both-sides') to report monologues, which pay their profit & salaries.
40% of Canadian, US & NATO & 60% of Israeli GNP is arms, munitions & security-force related, feeding our families while others suffer the consequences. Average citizen-consume rs feed on perpetual war economy blandly locked in hates. Military forces / ministers of defence / generals / soldiers / contractors (Blackwater etc) fight without dialectic inquiry. Continued,
 
 
+10 # Douglas Jack 2012-11-18 12:41
DIALECTIC RESOLUTION cont'd
Nov 16, The Fuller Story By Rabbi Arthur Waskow There’s a back history to the present & worsening violence between Israel / Gaza that has not been covered at all in the US media, which began to cover events in Gaza only when the Israeli government assassinated the head of the "military wing" of Hamas. ie Gaza's Minister of Defense http://www.opednews.com/populum/printer_friendly.php?content=a&id=158827

Amy Goodman, Democracy Now recent warfare around Gaza. http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/330-131/14581-israeli-negotiator-hamas-commander-assassinated-hours-after-truce

Noam Chomsky Democracy Now! recent trip to Gaza, calls on Israel to put an end to the blockade on the Hamas-ruled coastal enclave. "[Gaza] is a lesson for people from the West," Chomsky says. "If they can struggle on under really harsh & brutal conditions, it tells us we ought to be doing a lot more." Nov 14, http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33030.htm

Lior Sternfeld, Informed Comment 15 Nov. 12 Israel's all-too-well-kn own elections routine. http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/289-134/14551-wagging-the-dog-in-gaza-netanyahus-skirmish-of-fear
 
 
+21 # wrknight 2012-11-18 13:36
We must caveat our "unconditional support" of Israel to exclude Israeli aggression. That we cannot support!
 
 
+13 # heraldmage 2012-11-18 16:34
We shouldn't unconditionally support anyone !
Whatever Israel is holding over the USA its time it came out into the open. The USA population can handle it. We've paid enough in reparations and for that matter so have the Germans.
 
 
+17 # futhark 2012-11-18 16:46
Quoting wrknight:
We must caveat our "unconditional support" of Israel to exclude Israeli aggression. That we cannot support!


Unconditional support must NEVER be granted to any foreign nation. Support must ALWAYS be conditional, the prime condition being that it will not include acts of aggression. Israel has enjoyed a special relationship with the United States for far too long. It has been unhealthy for both countries.
 
 
+17 # Antemedius 2012-11-18 13:43
Netanyahu and his friends are lightweights.

And no one in Washington - not Obama nor anyone else - will ever put a leash on them.

Unless hundreds of thousands of people fill the streets of Washington surrounding the Capital and the White House - and maybe not even then. It's quite likely that Americans protesting on that scale would receive the same kind of treatment from Washington that Palestinians in Gaza receive from Tel Aviv.

........................................
"Enemies are necessary for the wheels of the U.S. military machine to turn"

"3000 major operations, and 10,000 minor operations... bloody and gory beyond comprehension.. . we have organized death squads in countries around the world... operation in Afghanistan - biggest single operation in the history of the CIA secret wars... we produced the golden crescent - the largest source of heroin in the world... we count at least - minimum figure - six million people who've been killed [by CIA ops] in this long 40 year war that we've waged against the people of the third world"

-- Former CIA Station Chief John Stockwell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3ioJGMCr-Y--
 
 
+3 # Vancouver Island 2012-11-18 13:56
Unfortunately, Obama is only a puppet. He is not free to do as he wishes.
He takes his orders first from the Rothschilds and the City of London, then the military complex and the Corporations and perhaps Israel. Never the people. It has been years since a U.S. President or any Western world Leader has been free to govern on behalf of their people. We already have a one world order. It just is not yet acknowledge.
 
 
+13 # heraldmage 2012-11-18 16:25
Just because that is the way it has been doesn't mean it has to stay that way.
The people went against the 1% when they re-elected Obama. We can change our governments direction by using people power to e-mail, fax, write & telephone the President, members of Congress and government departments.
Grassroots action works, it has stopped FCC policy changes & opened inquires. The more they hear from the people the more they will listen. The entire House is elected every 2 years as is 1/3 of the Senate. Now is the time to let your representative know, en mass, that you are watching.
 
 
-5 # stannadel 2012-11-19 03:03
Pure Antisemitism out of the pages of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Doesn't it give leftists pause when they see what creeps they are in bed with on this?
 
 
+3 # Douglas Jack 2012-11-19 18:29
Stannadel, Given that Palestinians generally have more 'Semitic' blood than European descended Jews, are you saying that; Netanyahu & modern Israelis are 'anti-semites'? Given that; the prime directive of Jewish Law is 'Pekuach nefesh' ('save-life') what do you stand for?
 
 
0 # Cassandra2012 2012-11-19 16:23
The Rothchilds? What imaginary century are you from?
 
 
+8 # humanmancalvin 2012-11-18 14:26
"It is a classic Gandhian strategy, not - as you well know - a realistic threat to the safety of Israeli citizens."
Although I agree with the basis of the article, to call firing rockets "a Gandhian" anything is absurd.
 
 
+21 # bingers 2012-11-18 14:31
LADELMAN123, I am all for supporting the legitimate Israeli concerns, but this is not in their best interests. They have been keeping the Gaza strip a virtual prison colony, and stopping that and helping with the recovery of the strip would stop the rockets. As the author correctly stated, the Palestinian rockets are not a military action, but an attempt to get the world to demand fairness by the Israelis. A huge % of the Israeli people also believe that. It's the wingnuts (theirs are just as moronic as ours) and the Taliban like fundamentalists that support this horrendous and insupportable policy.

The land belonged to the Palestinians first, both in Biblical times and in our time. They deserve caring and respect, but not so much that Israel disappears, a policy some Arabs back, but not most Palestinians.
 
 
-1 # Cassandra2012 2012-11-19 16:24
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+5 # Trueblue Democrat 2012-11-18 14:49
I forwarded Mark's letter to the Whitehouse on-line comments link.

Others should do the same until the cite is taken down by the overload.
 
 
+9 # bonnettoboot 2012-11-18 14:50
The fact is Israel started it by assasinating a Palastinian leader, along with a few others in the vicinity. We are the only Country in the that supports their treatment of the palestinians.
 
 
+10 # kerryle00 2012-11-18 14:54
"They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind"
 
 
+12 # Lee 2012-11-18 15:29
It's time to stop all aid to this animalistic, inhumane regime in Israel.

They learned their lessons well from Hitler but I don't see why the United States is obligated to aid their efforts at genocide.
 
 
-1 # Cassandra2012 2012-11-19 16:25
Animalistic, huh?
 
 
+14 # bonnettoboot 2012-11-18 15:58
Taymee uses the American Indians as an example of our Aggression, Better to use, Vietnam, Korea, Granada. This attack by Israel has nothing to do with "rockets" fired from Gaza, that is a joke. What percentage of these rockets did any harm? The fact is Israel started it by assassinating a Palestinian leader, along with a few others in the vicinity. Netanyahu used the events as a planned excuse to attack Gaza. He new Obama is tied up with Syria and problems here at home -not least many members of our congress who seem to support Israel regardless- and would find it difficult to use political force to stop the attacks. Netanyahu did it purposely to incite Arab nations into the fray, knowing that it would lead to a Middle East and perhaps World War. He is an evil man and demonstrably has no goodness in him. Yet he is the leader of a group many of whom think they are GODS chosen people and they are free to do as GOD would wish at any cost! We, the United States have to impose an Embargo on Israel. We are the only Country in the World that supports their treatment of the indigenous people, and in fact carrying out a holocaust. 1
 
 
+13 # heraldmage 2012-11-18 16:14
If the Israelis left is a vibrant growing community that loves peace, they need to take a chance & challenge thier so called "democracy". Show support for peace through public demonstrations supporting the Palestinians as well as vote for Left party candidates in the coming elections.
It is you, the peace loving Israelis, that need to lead the way to policy change & peace. The world will support you against the militant settlers & war machine but we can't do it for you or for that matter without you.
It's your choice, but isn't >60yrs of war & insecurity enough. According to UNSC resolution the land belongs to both Palestine & Israel if you can't live under 1 government than you should throw away all the previous land divisions & divide the land equally forming 2 separate but equal independent sovereign nations. Divide it length or width wise or diagonally just as long as it is equal in land, water, natural resources and sea border. Than there is nothing to argue about. It doesn't matter where the settlements or the wall is those are just material man made objects that can be used by both or deconstructed & used to rebuild.
So peace loving & left wing Israelis its up to you to stop your government. We will support you. But please make your voices heard soon innocent Palestinians are dying
 
 
+14 # dlet60 2012-11-18 16:14
Ah, but don't you see, we have become the nazis we hated.
 
 
-2 # Rathbone 2012-11-18 16:56
Obama is a secret neocon. He lectured for Leo Strauss at the University of Chicago. What more do you expect of him to support Israel? Obama is a myth. He fully supports the PNAC. Ha! Ha! He got you all faked out big time.
 
 
+12 # America 2012-11-18 17:45
While on his friendly mission in Thailand with the Prime minister of Thailand, Obama answered a question about the Gaza crisis, from a Bloomberg journalist.
Seemed like it was staged as I expected him to slam this person for asking an in-approriate question that had nothing to do with his mission in South East Asia. He went to great lengths to say how bad it was for Israelies to die but seemed indifferent about the Palestinian civilians dying in Gaza in the conflict.

IS he a hypocrite? He has a mandate to do the right thing with a second term un-encumbered by an upcoming election. He had excuses in the last two years of his presidency to waffle but not now.
 
 
-6 # Ed 2012-11-18 17:46
Smells like the result of another pre-election deal struck by Seamus O'Bama and the Jewish Lobby: you give us Hamas' heads on a stick, a thousand more dead children and sign-off on yet another scorched-earth policy, and we'll re-elect you.

Just like the deal he struck with the Pentagon in 2008 when he signed-off on the drone-strike turkey-shoot on the Afghan-Pakistan border.

Hey, Seamus, I hope your kids are reading this so they know what a real ba$tard you are.

Oh, by the way, have you polished your Peace Prize lately?
 
 
+10 # Ed 2012-11-18 18:06
BBC radio news presenter Evan Davies is generally smug and irritating, but his impromptu question to Israeli big cheese cleric Jonathan Sachs on Friday was inspired. Sachs had just delivered his usual two-minute hackneyed anodyne rant, er sorry, sermon, and when he thought he was off-air and amongst Zionist sympathisers he proceeded to reveal his true colours. Quite incredibly, this pillar of the Hebrew faith stated live on national radio that Israel’s latest murder of Palestinian politicians and civilians including children was because of Iran. Even when Evans’ co-presenter Sarah Montague attempted to save him from further embarrassment, Sachs simply could not acknowledge that his beloved Israel continues to enslave, steal from and torture a nation with total impunity.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01ntlrq

The irony of his rhetoric moments earlier, where he had declared all children blessed, was lost on Sachs. Well done, Mr Davis.
 
 
-6 # stannadel 2012-11-19 03:07
No! Sachs said that Hamas had launched a rocket offensive on behalf of Iran and that's what started this.
 
 
+7 # Ed 2012-11-19 14:50
Quoting stannadel:
No! Sachs said that Hamas had launched a rocket offensive on behalf of Iran and that's what started this.


Oh, of course, now I see, how foolish of me. Iran used Hamas to launch a pathetic and futile attack, knowing full well that it would result in the murder of hundreds of her friends in Gaza.

Following your argument, on whose behalf did Israel launch ground-attack aircraft, naval bombardment, tank and artillery shells? Or was that part of Iran's plan too?
 
 
+9 # fliteshare 2012-11-18 18:19
Gandhi would never allow anyone to strike fear into the hearts of his opponents. Fear would suppress the revulsion his opponents should feel about their acts of violence.

Just thought to point that out.
 
 
-11 # MaryK 2012-11-18 19:09
I was recently introduced to reader supported news. I have to say I'm incredibly shocked by this article. "The rockets fired by Hamas have no military significance" - Hamas BEGAN this fight and their rockets have murdered people, civilians. You think not enough Israelis have been killed and wounded to make it "of military significance"? I would like to see your view if your children, mother, spouse, friend had been one of the murdered or wounded. I am deeply disappointed at the biased nature of this article. Hamas continually says it wants to destroy Israel, wipe it off the map, and has been firing rockets for years - now upping the ante by firing into crowded cities. What country in the world would let this happen to its citizens and not respond? Absolutely none.
 
 
+8 # zebec 2012-11-18 19:44
Hey Bibi, don't ask the American people to pay one more cent for any wars in the Arab world. We're sick of it sapping our economy and we don't need you to start another war! Knock it off.
 
 
-6 # tahoevalleylines 2012-11-18 19:48
The Jews have a scriptural warning: "Vengeance Is Mine" This is a divine comfort for Israel to wait for supernatural relief from adversaries.

The ancient warning is instruction to Israel to stand down from pre-emptive attack, and let the militant Islamic factions assemble for what they would believe to be a decisive stroke against infidel Israel; a concentrated attack meant to deliver a mortal blow to Israel.

As Anthony Cordesman of CSIS suggests in Middle East war analyses papers, such Israeli passive stance would in fact result in war casualty and economic effects orders of magnitude greater than the triennial response to the rocket harassment... If Israel makes "Peace with a Palestinian State", there would be absolutely no lessening of worldwide Muslim sentiment to remove Israel from the map.

A deadly attempted surprise attack on a passive Israel by combined Islamic armies could result in a seriously damaged Tel Aviv, and other Israeli cities and military assets. Israel cornered and enraged will not be a pleasant prospect for Islam or the rest of the world used to having Muslim oil flowing their way.

Watch a seriously wounded Israel to decimate Iran and Syria. If Iraq unwisely jumps in, they will be swiftly put out of commission. Then, Egypt: War analysts predict Egypt will trade the Aswan High Dam for a few exciting hours of jumping what they believe to be an already helpless Israel...
 
 
+1 # Douglas Jack 2012-11-19 19:13
Tahoevalleyline s, So many comments are imaginary strings of "if-if" possibilities rather than statements of facts & occurrence. We are called to Pekuach nefesh, 'save-life'. Because life begins with our collective perceptions, we must engage each other in formal debates, explore our perceptions together & establish common points of agreement & collaboration. There is so much misinformation spread repetitively about what the other side supposedly believes. Only cowards launch missiles & shoot guns, when we are called to both speak & hear our truth side-by-side together. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/1-both-sides-now-article
 
 
+4 # bingers 2012-11-18 19:49
You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
 
 
0 # logical1 2012-11-18 20:02
How can you compare Ghandi in the same breath as Hamas. Saying random rockets at your citizens is no big deal. What would you think of disidents in this country shooting reckless rockets at your neighborhood. You should not be allowed to write articles for RSN.
 
 
-13 # yogi 2012-11-18 20:10
Ash and his myrmidons are insane. Israel did not provoke the missile attacks. There is absolutely no evidence of that. Yet there are hundreds of examples of Hamas aggression here Further, Hamas has had ample time to discontinue their attacks.

What, may I ask, is wrong with the Democrat party (of which I am a member) that it now represents antagonistic position against Israel in EVERY case?
You people lob bombs at Israel in the same way that Hamas does. Unprovoked. You expect Israelis to accept this aggression without exacting a cost as a means of ending it. I am sorry. You are shamefully wrong and so irrational in your positions as to suggest some kind of deep-seated hatred of the Israeli state, if not an even more deep-seated hatred of Israelis (note, this is NOT a charge of anti-semitism but a charge of anti-Zionism).

As a Democrat, I find your positions vile and your dogmatism unsettling. I wish you could all be living in Israeli border towns or sitting in a Tel Aviv park when an Iranian missile (do you understand the implications of THAT?) comes flying overhead. What flatulent arrogance you expel when you suggest that Netanyahu must be suppressed or that our support for Israel must be modified or terminated. You feed radical Islam and Iranian confidence in its subsidization of terror every time you choose to ignore the facts.
 
 
+11 # mjc 2012-11-19 08:16
A temporary ceasefire was broken...delibe rately...when Israelis with pin-prick precision sent missile into Jabari's car, killing him and ending the tenuous ceasefire. Those missiles also killed a pregnant women and her twins as well as another Gazan on the street. I am a Democrat and believe that Israel knew damn well what they were doing. Interested in provoking a war with Gazan militants, the fate of any Arab in the region may be dire.
 
 
0 # Douglas Jack 2012-11-19 19:25
Yogi, you will be interested in balancing your fear-perception s with some on-the-ground-facts.
Nov 16, The Fuller Story By Rabbi Arthur Waskow when the Israeli government assassinated the head of the "military wing" of Hamas. ie Gaza's Minister of Defense http://www.opednews.com/populum/printer_friendly.php?content=a&id=158827

Amy Goodman, Democracy Now Gaza. http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/330-131/14581-israeli-negotiator-hamas-commander-assassinated-hours-after-truce

Noam Chomsky Democracy Now! "If they can struggle on under really harsh & brutal conditions, it tells us we ought to be doing a lot more." Nov 14, http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33030.htm

Lior Sternfeld, Informed Comment 15 Nov. 12 Israel's all-too-well-kn own elections routine. http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/289-134/14551-wagging-the-dog-in-gaza-netanyahus-skirmish-of-fear

Miko Peled, A General’s Son http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=oCKWDarNdGw&feature=endscreen

Hajo Meyer, Auschwitz Survivor, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsqj3HH4NVk&feature=related

Origins of Israel Palestinian Conflict Caspian Report Mirshivan History of Middle-east http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb6IiSUxpgw&feature=related
 
 
+4 # dkonstruction 2012-11-20 08:26
I only wish the Democratic Party was "antagonistic" towards the policies of the Israeli gov't vis-a-vis the Palestinians.

And, as a democrat shouldn't you be supporting the progressive voices in Israel? for example, here is the latest piece by Israeli writer, activist and former Knesset member Uri Avnery.

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1353080494/
 
 
+4 # hilo 2012-11-18 20:20
The president has so little choice in this. Hamas has so little choice in this. Isreal has so little choice in Gaza. They do have choice in in left bank. They can stop the take over of pribate property and the building of settlements in SETTLED land--the Middle East isn't the west of the 1800's.

Leaders are going to have to far more courageous than they have been and we know that Netanyahu has no choice at all: he is a ideologue with no recourse to reason.
 
 
-5 # Cactus62 2012-11-18 22:14
The Hamas rockets may be an attempt to gain world attention, but they ARE rockets that have killed Israelis and prior to Israel's military response numbered close to 1,000 in the past year. I agree with MaryK's comment and am also disappointed by the bias of the article and the comments. I am tired of the Arab world's failure to own its part in denying Palestinians their own state--maybe it's time for the Arab countries who annexed parts of Palestine as their own to put that land on the table as part of the solution.
 
 
+12 # futhark 2012-11-18 22:23
@MaryK It is our misfortune that we live in a world in which when one group of people dispossesses another group of their land and homes and herds them together on a large "reservation", where they lead an impoverished existence and are deprived of needed medication and other material needs of support, members of the dispossessed group develop a mistrust and hatred of their oppressors. This hatred is expressed in violence, which, if answered by escalated violence, leads to more animosity and violence. Israel has let the situation in Gaza fester for decades without offering the Palestinians living there hope of redress of their grievances.

I don't condone Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, but am not surprised that they occur. What is surprising is the short-sightedne ss of the supposedly enlightened Israelis, who have within their power the ability to make concessions that would permanently defuse this situation. Continual recourse of answering violence with overpowering violence does not seem to be working for the Israelis, just as it does not seem to be working for the Americans in Afghanistan or, indeed, throughout the Middle East.
 
 
+12 # Dr Peter Sloane 2012-11-19 01:05
If I recall history, before 1948, Israel didn't exist, it was a country called 'Palestine' the friendly Americans (bless your cotton socks) kindly "returned" it to the Jews, to whom it never belonged in the first place and gained a very importand base in Eastern Europe 'co-incidentall y' Those who come first in wars not only write the 'truth' about the war, they tend to give out the spoils of wat to their friends. Thus resulted Yugoslavia, Oliver Cromwell allocated Ireland to his friends, etc etc. people don't really like their land being taken from them and given to someone else. I (to be perfectly honest) would take great issue with another country taking England from us and giving it to France!! I would also take great issue with France and the French in general who didn't really do anything. Where would I call home? the new France? I DON'T THINK SO! Where are the Palestinians supposed to call home? They're not a nomadic tribe, they used to live in PALESTINE.
 
 
-1 # Cassandra2012 2012-11-19 16:55
I HAVE SEEN THE 5 PARAGRAPH COMMENTS THAT ARE RABIDLY ANTI-ISRAELI ACCEPTED BY YOU!! THIS IS INFINITELY SHORTER!
1. It was the Brits. who returned Israel/ [aka Palestine (= from the same root as 'Philistine', btw.])
2. There has never been an independent Palestine , just a possession of among others e.g. the Ottoman Turks, then the Brits.
3. For thousands of years, archeological evidence suggests the "Palestinians"( fellahin) and the Jews as Israelites etc. have lived side by side. And those Jews expelled by e.g. the kind, sweet Romans [you know, the REAL killers of Jeshua (Christ)] ended up all over the world.
 
 
-4 # Cassandra2012 2012-11-19 16:56
This is the logical conclusion of the previous points!
4. But Jews certainly have as many "rights" to much of this land [excluding Gaza, (from which the word for their main exported product, 'gauze' originates) which was historically exclusively 'Palestinian'] as do the present-day fellahin.
5. This is NOT to say, that forced settlements in politically disputed territory are not downright stupid or to be deplored morally.
But equally immoral and stupid and criminal are firing rockets continually on civilians (including INNOCENT Israeli children -- it is not just Palestinian children who are 'innocent')) or putting bombs up against school buses, or bombing synagogues in Argentina and elsewhere, or killing Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics ETC. ETC. !!
Declaring that you will "wipe Israel off the face of the map" or "sweep them into the sea" is not likely to inspire confidence in the Israelis that you are really just poor little peaceful victims in all this. Netanyahu however, is a bully, a brute, and above all a POLITICIAN interested in saving his own skin, at any cost. To that extent, Obama should not blindly follow where Netanyahu would like to lead... .
 
 
-1 # Douglas Jack 2012-11-20 19:36
Cassandra As human practice, being that we are social creatures all interdependent upon the contributions of everyone, we start with all people who live in any given area of the world & give recognition to contributions which they make to livelihood & mutual-aid. With human-pride, we don't shy from 'debate' (French 'de' = 'undo' + 'bate' = 'the-fight') for the truths, perception & experiences we hold side-by-side with anyone & everyone. There's never reason for aggression or violence because we are brave before truth. Only cowards resort to violence be it institutional, government-dire cted or interpersonal. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/2-satyagraha
 
 
+9 # mjc 2012-11-19 08:09
Calling off Benjamin Netanyahu is probably something President Obama can do. What we have seen in the past is a president whose mantra is cool, none confrontational and certainly ready to smooth over Bibi's angry looking body language. Even with the election over and the fact that American Jews mostly voted for Obama won't change the usual approach to Israel's outrageous violence toward Palestinians and their claim that they have the right to defend themselves. American leadership might indeed change conditions there although all American interference and help lasts only for a small space of time. Israel has launched...agai n...what seems to be a racist policy of eliminating these Arabs...even from their concentration camp in Gaza.
 
 
0 # rangeragainstwar 2012-11-19 13:50
Mr. Ash,

Why should Obama not confront Hamaas or the Palestinian Authority, the reason behind the attack?

The U.S. launched two wars after ONE attack, and it didn't even target the source of the attacks.
 
 
+2 # jazzrin 2012-11-19 14:00
Thank you for writing this!
 
 
+2 # bonnettoboot 2012-11-19 20:48
It is refreshing to see so many are aware of the terible way the Palestinians have been treated for the past seventy odd years. IT HAS TO STOP>. Anyone looking for a real look at how this began should look for a book named Free For A Blast. It is the fascinating story of a young British Soldier and particularly his service in Palestine.
 
 
-1 # FDRva 2012-11-22 22:44
I share Marc Ash' s revulsion at the carnage in Gaza--and that likely to come.

Might I suggest that Bibi Netanyahu's renewed carnage in Gaza was clearly green-lighted by the Obama White House--recently reelected with the votes of many RSN lesser evil voters.

Bibi thanks you for your support--as does Wall Street's Barack Obama--who will continue to do what London and Wall Street financiers tell him to do--despite your wishful liberal wishes to the contrary.
 
 
+1 # Robyn 2012-11-23 15:50
The Israelis are not going to stop until they have turned the region into a giant graveyard. Obama could stop this but he probably won't.
 
 
0 # bonnettoboot 2012-11-24 17:30
For a truly honest look at the scenerio of the Initial migration of Jews to Palestine, search out a fascinating book Titled (Free For A Blast). This book was written from the diary's of an British soldier/adventu rer between the 1920;s and 1950's.
 
 
-2 # MaryK 2012-11-25 11:53
You seem to forget that hundreds of rockets rain from Gaza into Israel – on average 3/day – for the past decade. When air-raids go off Israelis have less than15 seconds to find shelter. If you are a mom with one child in her room and another playing outside, do you think you could collect them both and get into a safe room in 15 seconds?

Any country – US, included – would retaliate if their people were being attacked.

Imagine Mexico decided to take back California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Texas, and started firing rockets into the US. Further, suppose Mexico also declared that it would destroy the US. Plus Russia, China, and Iran declared they supported Mexico and gave them weapons, money, and troops to blow up buses, fire rockets, with the goal of destroying the US and killing every US citizen.

Then imagine that the US decided to give Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Texas back to Mexico, but would keep southern California as a buffer. And the result was that Mexico fired even more rockets into the US. And they still declared they would continue firing rockets, bombing buses, and anything else they could do to destroy the US. What would the US do? What would any country do?

But of course there’s a big difference. The US is a large, powerful country. Israel is a tiny country the size of New Jersey, with 7.8 million people. There are 22 Arab countries, with hundreds of millions of people, antagonistic to Israel.
 
 
+1 # bonnettoboot 2012-11-25 19:20
Mary K, your response is silly/ First HOW many Israelis have been Killed by these home made rockets? IT IS THE PALESTINIANS WHO ARE RETALIATING, feeble as it is.
Using examples of events from the colonial Era is ridiculous, the fact is the USA has apologized to the Indians and made efforts to repatriate them.
There may be a bigger difference in war power between Israel and the palestinian refugees than between the USA and Israel.
The 23 Arab countries were always there why would any sensible person put them selves in such a position.The occupation of this land by Europeans was WRONG and israel will never be able to make it right. You should read a Book. FREE FOR A BLAST and add to your knowledge of the event.
 
 
0 # Douglas Jack 2012-11-25 21:46
Bonnetttoboot, I've tried without success to Google FREE FOR A BLAST. Do you have any e-link etc?
Here are good links to mostly Jewish authors.
Nov 16, The Fuller Story By Rabbi Arthur Waskow Back history to the present & worsening violence between Israel / Gaza that has not been covered at all in the US media, which began to cover events in Gaza only when the Israeli government assassinated the head of the "military wing" of Hamas. ie Gaza's Minister of Defense http://www.opednews.com/populum/printer_friendly.php?content=a&id=158827

Amy Goodman, Democracy Now recent warfare around Gaza. http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/330-131/14581-israeli-negotiator-hamas-commander-assassinated-hours-after-truce

Noam Chomsky Democracy Now! recent trip to Gaza, calls on Israel to put an end to the blockade on the Hamas-ruled coastal enclave. "[Gaza] is a lesson for people from the West," Chomsky says. "If they can struggle on under really harsh & brutal conditions, it tells us we ought to be doing a lot more." Nov 14, http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33030.htm

Lior Sternfeld, Informed Comment 15 Nov. 12 Israel's all-too-well-kn own elections routine. http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/289-134/14551-wagging-the-dog-in-gaza-netanyahus-skirmish-of-fear

Miko Peled, A General’s Son http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=oCKWDarNdGw&feature=endscreen

Hajo Meyer, Auschwitz Survivor, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsqj3HH4NVk&feature=related
 
 
0 # bonnettoboot 2012-11-26 03:30
Douglas Jack. Try looking up Autobooks, a small bookstore in Burbank California.
 

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