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Thompson writes: "Let's back away from the secession ledge for a moment, see if we can’t find a compromise."

'More than 80,000 people have signed an online White House petition asking permission for Texas to leave the Union.'(photo: Getty Images)
'More than 80,000 people have signed an online White House petition asking permission for Texas to leave the Union.'(photo: Getty Images)


Go Ahead and Secede, Texas. We Dare You

By Chuck Thompson, The New Republic

13 November 12

 

n the wake of news that more than 80,000 people have signed an online White House petition asking permission for Texas to leave the Union, a single grave concern has united the minds of Americans of all political colors: If the state secedes, where are we going to get our NFL-caliber wide receivers?

As a recent student not just of secession, but the traditionally Southern mindset that drives it in this country (similar petitions for Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, and North Carolina have all topped 20,000 signatures), let me be the first to say to the aggrieved liberal community: relax. No one is talking about building a Berlin Wall around the upside-down pistol grip part of Texas.

Texans may be stubborn, but they ain't stupid. In the event of secession, mutually beneficial treaties would be drawn up between the United States and newly formed Texas Republic, ensuring both sides get what they need.

The U.S.A. would be guaranteed access to Texas's critical military bases, and to necessities such as refined oil, natural gas, cattle, cotton and cheerleaders. (By the way, anytime someone mentions jazz as America's singular gift to world culture, I hasten to remind them of the cheerleader outfit.) In return, Texas would receive from the rest of the nation such life-sustaining provisions as …

Come to think of it, what does Texas actually need from the rest of us?

It's not just that the state leads the nation in production of most of those aforementioned resources. With a rock-solid infrastructure (Texas is the only state in the continental U.S. with its own independent power grid) and stable political tradition, it's also a self-sustaining player in agriculture, aeronautics, computers, energy, high-tech research and manufacturing, telecommunications, transportation and just about any other economic category to which you care to attach a dollar value. It's home to six of the top 50 Fortune 500 companies, including ExxonMobil, ConocoPhilips and AT&T, not to mention Southwest Airlines, American Airlines and Dr Pepper. According to a 2011 Economist ranking, Texas's $1.224 trillion GDP makes it the economic equivalent of Russia - and the fourteenth-largest economy in the world, second among U.S. states only to California.

Even during the recent economic downturn, commerce in Texas has remained robust. Employment is growing at 3.1 percent annually; its manufacturing and export figures are trending up; its unemployment rate currently stands at 6.8 percent, a full point below the national average; and housing starts are up 17.2 percent over the past year.

Texan Bob Smiley, author of the witty Texas secession novel Don't Mess With Travis (Travis being the surname of a fictional Texas governor who calls for secession), is even more emphatic on the point. "In the last decade of the Great Recession, Texas has expanded by more than one million jobs, more than all other states combined," Smiley told me in an email. "And fully 95 percent of the country receives its oil and gas courtesy of pipelines that originate within Texas. That is what one might call leverage."

Texas isn't entirely without need - consider the recent drought there, and accompanying federal aid - but then again, no major player in the global economy is entirely self-sufficient. Point being, instead of freaking out about angry Texans and other Southerners wanting to control their own destiny, we'd do better to consider their position and complaints, and ask ourselves: Shouldn't shared values, cultural norms and manageable geography - not the chance tentacles of history and insatiable federal bureaucracy - ultimately be the things that unite a given population?

For two years, I traveled throughout Texas and the South researching these very questions for a book. I concluded that while on its surface secession is an admittedly absurd proposition, there's a certain logic, even a sense of humanity, in its essence. Sure, splitting the country apart feels unnatural - a crime against manifest destiny, at the very least. Americans have become so accustomed to their hard divisions - conservative-liberal, black-white, Roe-Wade, red-blue, Tea Party-sane - that the chasm separating us feels almost ordained, an organic and even integral part of the national tradition. But just because spiritual, political, racial and commercial divides have always been with us doesn't mean they must continue to define us.

So let's back away from the secession ledge for a moment, see if we can't find a compromise. Maybe the solution for dissatisfied Texans and other wannabe secessionist states that can't tolerate the oppressive yoke of the federal government is to grant them some measure of quasi-autonomy. There's plenty of international precedent. Maybe deal with Texas the way that the Philippines deals with its restive state in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao, or the way China manages economically independent Hong Kong as a Special Administrative Region, even issuing its citizens their own passports. Hell, Scotland already has a semiautonomous parliament and in 2014 it's going to vote on an independence referendum that could abolish its 300-year tie to the UK. Turn Texas into Puerto Rico or Guam; give them some form of political and social expression in exchange for diminished power in federal government.

Or maybe the solution is simply to give Texas and other secessionist-conservatives what they really want: free passage to the land of all their conservative fantasies. Send them all off with gratis one-way tickets (I'm happy to earmark some of my socialist tax dollars for the effort) to a country with: a small federal government with limited power and meager influence over the private lives of its citizens; extremely weak trade unions routinely sabotaged by the federal government (i.e., a "pro-business environment"); negligible income tax; few immigrants, legal or otherwise; a dominant Christian population, accounting for some 70 percent of the people; no mandatory health insurance or concept of universal health care; a strong social taboo surrounding homosexuality and a constitution that already states, "All individuals have the right to marry a person of their choice of the opposite sex"; and a gun culture so ubiquitous that you can find automatic weaponry displayed openly on the streets of its capital city and in many households.

Sound like a Texan secessionist's dream? Well, it's no dream. This country already exists. It's called the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Don't mess with us, Texas. You just might get what you want.

 

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+144 # bachuill 2012-11-14 13:44
with ocean warming- texas could be under water soon- then our concern would be illegal texas immigrants lol
 
 
+99 # portiz 2012-11-14 16:59
I think we should grant them their wish!

President Obama should sign an executive order to strip U.S. citizenship from anyone who signed a petition to secede and requests that they are "peacefully deported."
 
 
+92 # GeeRob 2012-11-14 18:37
I live in Texas and it's not my wish. Travis County (Austin), Dallas County (Dallas), Bexar County (San Antonio), Harris County (Houston), and El Paso County (El Paso) all voted majority Obama. In another 6-8 years, those idiots who screech secession will find their voices growing fainter and fainter.
 
 
+47 # GGmaw 2012-11-15 05:53
Hey - I live in Dallas County - look at it on the map - SOLID BLUE. We even got something probably no one else in the US has - a Latino, female, openly lesbian sheriff, who just keeps on winning elections. Not everyone who lives in Texas is crazy! Another few years and we'll be all blue!
 
 
+23 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:02
43% of Texans voted for Obama.

We aren't all childish and pigheaded.
 
 
-2 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 00:35
41% voted for Obama, and 58% voted for Romney. It's hard to spin that as a positive.
 
 
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 00:44
We live in a democratic republic. We don't live in a republic any more than we live in a democracy. There are no pure democracies or republics. We live in a compromise between the two opposing ideals.

The only reason you hear, "we live in a republic, not a democracy" is that Republicans don't believe in allowing people the right to determine their own destiny. It makes a good talking point, and like all conservative talking points, it's factually inacurate, but sounds plausible.
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 10:33
I get a negative for saying we live in a democratic republic? Explain.
 
 
+9 # mdhome 2012-11-16 09:08
Glad to hear it, sometimes it is hard to keep from lumping the sane with the rest of Texas and scorning the lot. Thanks for a bit of reality.
 
 
+4 # tanis 2012-11-17 19:33
no other state can boast a sheriff like that!
 
 
+9 # Texas Aggie 2012-11-15 09:53
Don't forget the Valley.
 
 
+52 # portiz 2012-11-14 19:03
A thought just occurred to me...

perhaps many of the people signing the petition supporting Texas' secession live in the 'blue states'. I for one, wouldn't mind to see it go!
 
 
+34 # kelly 2012-11-15 09:32
Good, The feeling is mutual. I'm from Texas, a proud democrat and I'm tired of people like you saying stuff like that. We are still the home of LBJ, Barbara Jordan, Paul Begala, Ann Richards and Molly Ivans, to name a few. By the way, how do you answer the fact that petitions of secession have risen up from all 50 states and not just Texas. There are a total of 700,000 names and rising. I, for one am disgusted and if you had bothered to research, you might have seen that as a counter measure, some of us in Austin are trying a petition to "seceed" from Texas as a form of protest. But we don't need any more divisive comments from the insensitive.
 
 
+30 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:05
I agree with Kelly.

43% of Texans voted for Obama.

We're not a red state anymore. Give us a decade for the old racist farts to die off...
 
 
+5 # mdhome 2012-11-16 09:09
OK a decade, but no more. :)
 
 
+19 # robniel 2012-11-15 11:57
Quoting bachuill:
with ocean warming- texas could be under water soon-


Watch 'em whine when Galveston goes under water and they need early warning satellite data and FEMA.
 
 
+157 # zepp 2012-11-14 14:08
I think that other than the major embarrassment the petitions are causing most southerners, they shouldn't be taken too seriously. You have eighty thousand yahoos who signed a dumb online petition (more likely 20,000 yahoos with four gmail accounts each) from a state of 25 million people.

All the polls really mean is that the crybaby right has a lot of ineffectual whiners and losers.
 
 
+76 # tswhiskers 2012-11-14 14:35
So now we may have our own "Quebec" problem. Maybe the U.S. should invade and show 'em who's boss. We invaded Texas once before when we stole it from Mexico. Texans should thank their lucky stars daily that they aren't still a part of Mexico. I'm with Chuck; give 'em what they think they want and see how well they can cope with NATO, international trade agreements like NAFTA and generally running their own economy without government bailouts and oil and farm subsidies. Then again, the Democratic Republic of Texas idea has its own charm too. Sometimes you have to let a kid go out on his own to see what the world is really all about. Uncle Sam, does this apply to states as well? Maybe so. Good luck, Texas. Sometimes you really DO get what you pray for.
 
 
+44 # readerz 2012-11-14 18:15
The trouble is that we have funded all kinds of things in Texas, from NASA in Houston, to research facilities. They don't have much oil of their own but they have refineries. There are other refineries in the U.S., and more can be built (instead of a ridiculous pipeline), although I am not in favor of fossil fuel. Maybe we should think twice about building anything else in Texas.

I am a little P.O.'d about the football and cheerleader comment in the article: there's plenty of head injuring football in the rest of the country.

But the record extreme drought that Texas has been experiencing is going to drain their economy, and they also get hurricanes, often. If everybody in Texas isn't real nice to the rest of us, we might not be there when they need us. Too bad, because I have some friends in Texas (and I don't understand what they see in the place).

I'll believe that they are behaving nicely when they remove that school textbook committee that only allows a right-wing spin on 20th century history, which results in the rest of the country only having those books available from publishers.
 
 
+30 # NOMINAE 2012-11-14 21:43
@ tswhiskers

Good analysis. This is exactly the "pouting child" phenomenon that you outline. Like the six-year-old who's going to make a sandwich, and then run away.

Given that Texas, like all Red States, receives far more money from the Fed than it pays in, LET "EM GO !

CA, NY and MA alone are the top tier of Blue States paying *far* more INTO the Fed than they ever receive. Which means that these and other Blue States literally support the welfare Red States, Texas included.

So, if the economy in TX is as good as the author indicates, they must be involved in some truly "creative accounting" to stay so low on Federal Tax Scales !

Given the "contributions" of notable Texans such as Tom Delay, Dick Armey, Phil Graham, G.W.Bush, Rick Perry - need I go on ? - I'm just not seeing the down side to letting these people go.

No, in fact, if they promise that they WILL secede, I think we should offer to help them pack !

Texas doesn't contribute anything that the Nation cannot easily find elsewhere, and I, for one, would CELEBRATE the loss of the Texas School Board which is one of only two places in the United States that makes final determination regarding what kind of religious and political censorship to apply to the final editions of AMERICAN public school textbooks.

You know .... such as when we have to teach our kids that George Washington was the first President, not Sam Houston. :)
 
 
+6 # BobboMax 2012-11-14 23:56
I've always thought the Canucks should have a plebiscite to decide if they're gonna kick the Quebecois out or maybe let them stay if they slack off a bit. Moi, j'ai toujours cru que on doit estimer des autres cultures, mais je pense, en general, que les Quebecois sont Chauvinists.
 
 
+3 # DevinMacGregor 2012-11-15 00:54
We did not invade Texas and steal it. Most at that Alamo for example were Mexicans not Gringos. Texas won its independence. Mexico though expelled Santa Ana to Cuba for signing the treaty that gave the Mexican state of Texas its freedom BUT several other states rebelled against the Mexican centralist s take over from the Federalists as well. Santa Ana squashed them before before being defeated in Texas. Texas petitioned the US years later to enter the Union. Mexico did not want to honor the treaty the Texans had from Santa Ana. They had sent 30,000 men to take it back. At the same time 7-9 thousand US soldiers what amounted to nearly our entire land forces at the time set up several forts on the Rio Grande believing that is where the treaty stated the border was. The two forces met and clashed the Mexican-America n war was on. End of the war we paid them millions for most of the Southwest. 10 some years after the war Santa Ana sold us the remaining land.
 
 
+87 # MainStreetMentor 2012-11-14 15:29
The rest of the country can do without: The Bushes and the Perry's. Just like any other outage/shortage s when confronted we find an alternative source. The Civil War proved to the Southern States, (who believed loss of "king cotton" was going to bring the world to it's knees), secession was the first step to their own demise. They were wrong in their arrogant, misguided assumptions because: there were alternatives. Let Texas go if they want - but deny any foreigh aid they may request after the first two years.
 
 
+2 # robniel 2012-11-15 12:11
Quoting MainStreetMentor:
The rest of the country can do without: The Bushes and the Perry's.


Aside from the misplaced apostrophe, when you slam the Bushes and Perrys, don't leave out Bob Perry; whenever someone buys a Perry home that person is sending money to a far right wing super PAC.
 
 
+9 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:08
Fine, but 43% of us Texans are Blue. We love our country.

Don't throw us out with the Perry's and the Bushes.
 
 
+28 # dbriz 2012-11-14 16:04
The frivolity of this current crop of secessionists should be acknowledged. It is always fun to tweak the long nosed liars posing as our "leaders" inhabiting the Empire City on the Potomoc.

Their lack of seriousness is evidenced by the thought that the same folks would no doubt be holding hands, prayerfully genuflecting and singing "God Bless America" had Romney won the election.

Their silly protestations actually do disservice to a legitimate concept for scholarly debate.

Secession is not of necessity a dirty word. We have seen it at work in the dissolution of the Soviet Union as well as some recently more serious ongoing attempts in Europe.

Some may remember that our departure from the good King George meets the requirements of the definition as well.
 
 
+14 # readerz 2012-11-14 18:21
Quoting dbriz:
Secession is not of necessity a dirty word. We have seen it at work in the dissolution of the Soviet Union as well as some recently more serious ongoing attempts in Europe.

Some may remember that our departure from the good King George meets the requirements of the definition as well.


The difference is spite and altruism. Sure, there was the triangle trade, and also stealing lots of land from the Natives, but there was some kind of protest for Due Process (now where did that go?) when we protested King George.

But Texas, since Nixon, has gotten nothing but billions of red-lined dollars, and any rights that they do not enjoy are because they themselves took them away. What plan would they have to improve their land or their people?
 
 
+5 # dbriz 2012-11-15 09:35
Quoting readerz:
Quoting dbriz:
Secession is not of necessity a dirty word. We have seen it at work in the dissolution of the Soviet Union as well as some recently more serious ongoing attempts in Europe.

Some may remember that our departure from the good King George meets the requirements of the definition as well.


The difference is spite and altruism. Sure, there was the triangle trade, and also stealing lots of land from the Natives, but there was some kind of protest for Due Process (now where did that go?) when we protested King George.

But Texas, since Nixon, has gotten nothing but billions of red-lined dollars, and any rights that they do not enjoy are because they themselves took them away. What plan would they have to improve their land or their people?


If you read the parts you left out of my quote you would find my feelings about the entire charade.

Let them have a little fun, the election loss is worse than a root canal for them.

If you examine our Revolution closely you will find that our folks comprised a varied complement of intelligentsia, commoners and even a smuggler or three. All united against the King but with an wide range of sub motives. Even including spite and altruism. :)
 
 
+19 # Primrose 2012-11-14 16:20
Wait a minute. The secession talk is a bunch of loud-mouthed yahoos that I don't speak for most Texans. The fantasy of being its our own country is written deep in the culture of the state that Texans cling too when it doesn't make sense.
 
 
+48 # Barbara K 2012-11-14 16:22
Wow, just think of all the money we would save if Texas ran away. All the hurricane damage that the rest of have to pay for, the tornadoes that we have to pay for, the wildfires that we have to pay for, the floods that we have to pay for, the military protection that we have to pay for, on and on. They can build up and support their own military if they want protection. Let them figure out where they will get water when they finish running out of it. bye bye Texas, don't let the door hit ya .....
 
 
+6 # robniel 2012-11-15 12:02
Unfortunately, the Texans you'd like to reach don't read these posts.
 
 
+7 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:10
Except 43% of Texas voted Blue. In ten years this will be a Blue state. In 20 it will be a solid Blue state.

We aren't a Red state anymore.
 
 
+14 # volcanoexpert 2012-11-14 16:24
I think this is a ploy. . .to suck money out of the US government. . .[a la "The Mouse That Roared"]

Texas secedes. . .Then, declares war on the US. . .Then, surrenders! And, demands "foreign aid" to "rebuild a democratic society!" [a la Iraq and Afghanistan]. . .Obama showers money on them; and, has George W Bush tog himself out in his flight suit to declare "Mission Accomplished!" [What better way to get the Texans to fall into the Democratic Party camp??!!] Maybe even install Petraeus as Military "administrator" to resurrect his tarnished image?

If you think I'm being silly. . .Please bear in mind, I'm just trying to get out from under the silliness of the past election!!!
 
 
+14 # NOMINAE 2012-11-14 22:03
@ volcanoexpert

Texas is a past master at playing "The Mouse That Roared". "The squeaky wheel getting the grease", etc.

Before this petition from citizens, Rick Perry himself has threatened at least once to secede.

Texas threatens to secede about every fifteen minutes.

When they were Mexican Territory, they revolted when Mexico outlawed Slavery, and put on that embarrassing military fiasco at the Alamo. Then they shouted, blustered and boasted until that sounded like something "heroic".

They were briefly a republic, and they they whined their way into the Union. Once in, and the Civil War brewing over using the Western Territories as Slave States, Texas was screaming to leave the Union before the ink was dry on their recent Statehood petition.

No less a personage than Sam Houston warned the Texas legislature that they could never prevail against an industrialized North, and they thanked him by kicking him out of office.

Yup .... "Texas Diplomacy" !

These examples of addled judgement are legion, and yet Texas somehow manages to B.S. and "spin" them all into something to be *proud* of.

Many have been the times when Texas has needed to secede from the State Of Denial!
 
 
+51 # Gnome de Pluehm 2012-11-14 16:27
I lived in Texas five years. When I went there I loved the people and hated the weather. By the time I left I loved the weather and hated the people. Let 'em print their own money, and no foreign aid from day one.
 
 
+8 # Tigre1 2012-11-14 22:44
Suggestions for Texass money...the Bullchip and the Goober...
 
 
+37 # DaveM 2012-11-14 16:33
If the Confederacy had been left alone in 1861, I suspect they would have come "crawling back" within a few years and not only would the Civil War have been avoided, but also the 150+ years of "North-South" tension. Texas has been under several owners during the history of America. By all means, if they wish to strike out on their own again and do not wish to learn from history, let them try.
 
 
+44 # happycamper690 2012-11-14 16:37
The joke is that by most estimates by 2020 or so Texas will again be a blue state. They can secede, but they cannot long keep angry white men in the majority. What then? Give the Houston and Dallas areas back to the US? By 2050 the great republic of Texas could be down to one or two redneck counties.
 
 
+20 # guyachs 2012-11-14 17:55
I don't think they'd be a democracy very long.
 
 
+13 # wantrealdemocracy 2012-11-14 21:52
None of us in the United States live in a democracy. The nation is under the control of the plutocracy. The people of this nation do not want endless wars and for our tax funds to be given to the crooks on Wall St. I live in California and I would love California to leave the union. I hate sending my taxes to those corrupt creatures in Washington D.C. California has no desire to be an empire and kill people all over the world. We want to live in peace and dignity.
 
 
-1 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:13
Actually, we live in a Republic.

You know, like as "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands"?

BTW, Smiley is a Californian, not a Texan. And what he writes about Texas for the most part is fiction.
 
 
+3 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 10:35
We live in a democratic republic. We don't live in a republic any more than we live in a democracy. There are no pure democracies or republics. We live in a compromise between the two opposing ideals.

The only reason you hear, "we live in a republic, not a democracy" is that Republicans don't believe in allowing people the right to determine their own destiny. It makes a good talking point, and like all conservative talking points, it's factually inacurate, but sounds plausible
 
 
+5 # Texas Aggie 2012-11-15 10:04
Very long?? We aren't a democracy now! We haven't been a democracy since Rove and Delay got going, Rove with his dirty tricks campaign and Delay with his sale of the state to Big Money.
 
 
+5 # bmiluski 2012-11-15 10:42
You're right. King George Bush II and his family would rule. They already have their own army....Blackwa ter.
 
 
+2 # kelly 2012-11-15 09:54
Excuse me, but Dallas is the strongest Bush territory next to Bryan Colege Station. Think Austin if you want blue.
 
 
+6 # GGmaw 2012-11-15 12:48
Then why can't a Republican win a county office? Why can't a Republican presidential candidate win election in Dallas County? Maybe Highland Park and University Park - but not Dallas.
 
 
+2 # kelly 2012-11-17 11:53
I am sorry ggmaw and feloneouscat, you are both right. I was thinking about Highland Park area. I offer my apologies. I lived up near that part of Dallas for so long it threw me. When I lived in Fort Worth we had a good turnout for Sissy Farenthold, any of you Texans remember her?
 
 
+3 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:17
Actually, you are wrong. The results for Dallas County were:

Barack Obama- 56.97%
Mitt Romney- 41.59%

http://www.city-data.com/forum/texas/1727912-2012-election-results-major-texas-counties.html#b
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2012-11-15 13:35
You're thinking of the Dallas metropolitan area. Basically, as soon as you leave the Dallas city limits you're absolutely right. The suburbs are a lot more red than most suburbs.
 
 
+2 # GGmaw 2012-11-18 16:53
Only the Northern suburbs.
 
 
+7 # Douglas Jack 2012-11-14 16:43
It sounds like a No-Fly-Zone in support of these 80,000 'real-Texans' might be warranted especially if Texans following their cowboy genetic codes react with any hint of violence. I'm sure the airforces of Canada & other NATO countries needing carpet-bombing practice will enthusiasticall y participate in reducing Texan infrastructure "to the stone-age" as we are doing throughout middle-east countries in support of our command center nation there. Supposed 'depleted' uranium covered bomb casings so as to penetrate any resistance will likely leave Texas uninhabitable for 100,000's of years. No worry however for eventually we might figure out how to live without our finger on the trigger. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy/7-nuclear-war-detached-housing
 
 
+14 # Regina 2012-11-14 16:46
Heck -- I knew that Texas was retrograde, but I didn't think they wanted to go all the way back to around 1850. I guess I'll need my passport to go visit my Texas relatives, and vice versa.
 
 
+2 # Bildo 2012-11-14 16:49
Unfortunately, they will probably get a "no fly zone" over their state. The Civil War was actually over banking. If the people of these states would just become Americans again, instead of corporate US citizens, the problem would be solved. See "The Act of 1871". Open your eyes to the truth of who and where you are. When did the servant become the master?
 
 
+28 # SkyKing 2012-11-14 16:51
As a native Texan, steeped in Texas history, I point out that Texas was an independent nation from 1836 to 1845, when it entered the US by treaty, the terms of which still gives Texas the right to divide into as many as five states. I don't think secession is likely, given that Texas has already been on the losing side of a war fought over that issue. The recent petition is an embarrassment to most Texans.
 
 
+4 # bingers 2012-11-15 06:08
I think the blue areas of Texas should become a couple of those states and let the rest secede and sink from civilization. Shouldn't take long. Alo, let's not give them diplomatic recognition.
 
 
+3 # bmiluski 2012-11-15 10:44
Well then, you folks need to get "after" those idiots who are making the whole state look foolish.
 
 
-1 # Malcolm 2012-11-15 11:04
Quoting SkyKing:
As a native Texan, steeped in Texas history, I point out that Texas was an independent nation from 1836 to 1845, when it entered the US by treaty, the terms of which still gives Texas the right to divide into as many as five states. I don't think secession is likely, given that Texas has already been on the losing side of a war fought over that issue. The recent petition is an embarrassment to most Texans.


I'm also a native Texan (SO HAPPY to be a left coaster for the last 44 years!)

I'm aware of Texas's annexation treaty, and how it gives Texas the ability to split itself into up to five states. Imagine that-eight more effing republican Senators. There goes Obombya's Senate.

I'd rather Texas seceded, myself; good riddance. But that would mean war, and i'm an almost pacifist.

I really wonder if the majority of Texans would actually agree to split Texas into five states. Before Alaska was brought on board, no way! Texans just loved being the biggest and "best" state. But now, being less than half the size of alaska (which state has threatened to split itself in half, just to mess with Texans' minds, making TX the third largest state) maybe they aren't quite as hungup on being SECOND biggest.

Boy, they'd sure gain a lot of power if they were five states.
 
 
+2 # Malcolm 2012-11-15 11:07
Quoting SkyKing:
As a native Texan, steeped in Texas history, I point out that Texas was an independent nation from 1836 to 1845, when it entered the US by treaty, the terms of which still gives Texas the right to divide into as many as five states. I don't think secession is likely, given that Texas has already been on the losing side of a war fought over that issue. The recent petition is an embarrassment to most Texans.



Pleased to hear that Big D is "liberal" now. When i lived there, there was only one REpublican congressman, John Tower, and this was when Texas democrats were generally about as liberal as Dick Nixon. Glad things are looking up!
 
 
+2 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:23
As a Texan who does research, NO STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO DIVIDE ITSELF INTO STATES.

It's kinda like part of the Constitution, guys.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiv
 
 
+3 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:22
SkyKing, you are wrong. So are a lot of other people.

Article IV Section 3 of The United States Constitution expressly prohibits Texas, or any other state, from dividing up and forming smaller states without Congressional approval. That simply is not a state right.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiv

Jeez, why do people say these things without researching. It's not that difficult folks!
 
 
+38 # Rich Austin 2012-11-14 17:13
Texas seceding from the U.S.? Wow, if that happened it would prove there is power in prayer.

My adios would go something like this: “Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Oh, and while you’re at it take Mississippi, Alabama, and a few of the other states that believe Dixie is our national anthem with you.”
 
 
+12 # Glen 2012-11-14 17:19
Texas threatened to secede once before, due to the fed government lying about oil supplies. The Texans maintained there was plenty. Oklahoma said if Texas goes, we go. Texas backed out due to the need for federal backup on the Mexican border.

By now, Texas may be ready to fight that war along the border without the feds. Chaos reigns.
 
 
+23 # reiverpacific 2012-11-14 17:25
Just leave us Jim Hightower, Willie Nelson and Julian Castro -he could be a next president; and hitch Arizona to yer wagon or ark while you are at it!
The rest of you deserve each other.
(I know, I know, there are some good Texan posters on RSN and of course I'm being facetious but I hope you get the point).
All aboard -cast off and avoid Cuba like the plague y'all! Ding-ding!
 
 
+22 # Scott Galindez 2012-11-14 17:57
Don't forget Austin...We will need a road to Austin, They cant have that...they can move their capital to Crawford...or better yet Waco.
 
 
+1 # bmiluski 2012-11-15 10:48
I thought Crawford was the capital. It has the seat of power there.
 
 
-1 # bingers 2012-11-15 06:10
Castro is a fine guy and all, but we need a Constitutional amendment prohibiting Texans from running for any office higher than state representative. 8^)
 
 
+5 # kelly 2012-11-15 10:21
Tell it to LBJ, Lloyd Doggett, Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, Bill Hobby, Jim Wright, Lloyd Bentson, and J.J.(Jake) Pickle. I could hear the conciliatory tone from reiver, but I am really getting tired of total and complete throw the entire state out with the bathwater drinkers.
 
 
+5 # GGmaw 2012-11-16 07:19
When Yankees look at that big red Texas map with the big blue counties - they don't realize that many of those red counties have less than 1,000 people voting in them whereas the cities have 100s of thousands.
 
 
0 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 23:29
If you want to "dispell myths" about texas, start by realizing that "Yankee" isn't an insult.

IT MEANS AMERICAN.

If you're not a Yankee, then you're not American.

The Civil War is over. YOU LOST.
 
 
+1 # kelly 2012-11-18 15:28
Dude, you have serious anger issues to deal with. Did some Texas guy/gal break up with you? All of your responses just reek with an animosity that seems way more than what is warranted here. We are members of the union. So some of the citizens in this state wanted to petition otherwise...mor e than 700,000 people in other states all across the land did the same. Yes, I know the article specifically cites the Texans but it is not just a localized problem. Step back for a moment and listen to yourself. We are having a real problem with divisiveness in this nation. Attitudes like the ones you're throwing out don't serve anyone's purpose but the dividers. The people you are putting down here are people who agree with the left and you keep ridiculing them. Is this the shining example of diplomacy we are now hoping to see. It wasn't the one I looked for when I voted for President Obama...or any other DEMOCRATIC president in the past.
Kelly
Proud American, Proud Texan
 
 
+2 # GGmaw 2012-11-18 16:58
Don't be so sensitive Billy Bob - Yankee means anyone north of the Red River. I had ggrand parents on both sides of the civil war. There are great Democrats in Texas having a hard time right now - they need support - not ridicule and meanness!!
 
 
+1 # Bildo 2012-11-19 11:18
Quoting Billy Bob:
If you want to "dispell myths" about texas, start by realizing that "Yankee" isn't an insult.

IT MEANS AMERICAN.

If you're not a Yankee, then you're not American.

The Civil War is over. YOU LOST.

UUUmmmmmm, "If you're not a Yankee, then you're not American"? A "Yankee" is the original corporate US citizen. After the war, the people of the south were conquered and forced into the US Corporation. The war was about banking issues(collater al for debt) not slavery. People in the north had slaves too.
Yes, the Civil War is over, but the north lost right along with the south. (14th Ammendment) That's why this entire country is ruled by "statutes" and everyone is a corporate US citizen, instead of being an American. A US citizen is NOT an American. Look it up.
 
 
+27 # The Ice Maiden 2012-11-14 17:30
Thank you, Chuck Thompson.
My daughter sent me other similar articles about the idiots in this country who have signed petitions in favor of seceding from the unon. I say GO AHEAD. The surest sign that our schools are not doing their job is how widespread this stupidity is. It boggles the mind.
Go ahead, you idiots. Move to secede! Do us a favor. There will be fewer idiots in the Union the rest of us will wisely continue to inhabit.
 
 
+3 # robniel 2012-11-15 12:06
Quoting The Ice Maiden:
The surest sign that our schools are not doing their job is how widespread this stupidity is.


And the Texas K-12 school boards (full of nutty "Creationists") largely determine what is included in textbooks used everywhere else.
 
 
+6 # Pickwicky 2012-11-15 12:46
Dear Ice Maiden,

I know public schools need improving, but ice baby, the people that signed the petition were all home-schooled!

Yours,

Pickwicky
 
 
-1 # Bildo 2012-11-19 11:21
Quoting Pickwicky:
Dear Ice Maiden,

I know public schools need improving, but ice baby, the people that signed the petition were all home-schooled!

Yours,

Pickwicky

And home-schooling has been proven to be much better than the Corporation Indoctrination Centers.
 
 
+26 # Mrcead 2012-11-14 17:31
Good riddance. Texas is shaped like a bloody anchor anyway. We'd do well to cut it loose.
 
 
+22 # bingers 2012-11-14 17:33
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Just leave everything we own, like the military bases and NASA.


No big loss.
 
 
+37 # Agricanto 2012-11-14 17:34
I hear that Puerto Rico is voting in favor of statehood. This raises a thorny issue with the flag. It has fifty stars arranged in symmetrical fashion. If we have to add Puerto Rico the symmetry will be over and we will have a vexillographic nightmare. Solution: Let the Lone Star state go and replace it with Puerto Rico. That way we won't have to sew new flags and we will still have that nice round number of fifty.
 
 
+12 # smendler 2012-11-14 17:34
I think disaffected GOPhers should head to NUNAVUT. It'd be perfect fpor them.
 
 
+37 # bingers 2012-11-14 17:35
The funny thing is that the Republican dream is alive right now....in Somalia.
 
 
+12 # David Starr 2012-11-14 17:36
I kinda like Thompson's contrast in his piece, i.e., his virtual praising of Texas's economy in laissez faire fashion, but after, bringing out the inevitable consequences of a 19th cetury-like economic outlook.

Texas, and other U.S. southern states, seem to have not gotten over the defeat of their "confederacy", i.e., a confederacy containing the roots of racism and a shoot-em-from-t he-hip ultrantionalism . Combine that with segregation, Jim Crow, etc., and present-day stirrings or remnants of the "confederacy," and you have a region in the U.S. that doesn't sound like it would be a diplomatic "nation," or even an autonomous area. Even despite racial changes over the years. The ultranationalis m and racism still remain in the form of subtle residues against U.S. citizens who still are not considered "True Americans" and a superiority complex against the "other" in particularly "Third World" nations not considered to be on equal par with "True Americanism."

Thus, I would be concerned, e.g., with an "independent" or "autonomous" Texas which, without a progressive and/or Leftist philosophy influencing it, potentially could be an imperial interventionist in itself. Would consider an invasion of another state or a foreign nation like Mexico? The latter particularly is a reasonable cause for at least potential concern, considering history. Texas, after all, was a part of Mexico when it was stolen in the Mexican-America n War, and incorporated as a U.S. state.
 
 
+10 # bingers 2012-11-14 17:48
51 stars is actually easier than 50, 3 rows of 9, 3 rows of 8.
 
 
+37 # roger paul 2012-11-14 17:49
Congratulations Texas...you made my day!
So goodby. Oh bye the way, we are tearing down the fence on your southern boarder and putting on your northern boarder. We will be closing the military bases and moving them to Kansas, there will be no disaster assistance for next hurricane, drought, fire, earthquake, or rising seas. We are going to make it illegal for American companies to do business there, no XL pipeline, and the list goes on. But most important, Bush will no longer have secret service protection, nor have his government pension...All Texans will have to have a green card, and work permit to enter the US. That includes Bush.
 
 
+4 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:27
But we really don't want to go! Seriously.

We're almost a Blue state... give us a few years to let these racists die off...
 
 
0 # Pickwicky 2012-11-15 14:00
Feloneouscat--

Taking too long.
 
 
+4 # feloneouscat 2012-11-16 07:06
Politics is about patience. People who are impatient are the ones that start revolutions. I don't want a revolution. I want evolution.
 
 
+5 # columbialion 2012-11-14 17:52
Whenever Texas is ready.....bye..bye
But we get to keep Josh Hamilton!
 
 
+22 # bandz 2012-11-14 17:52
I wish them luck. It would be a relief to be rid of Texas. If the petition to secede fails, perhaps we could just give Texas back to Mexico.
 
 
+7 # djnova50 2012-11-14 17:52
It's not just Texas that is petitioning the White House. There are 39 states that have groups of citizens that have signed petitions to secede from the Union. Including Washington and Oregon: http://www.king5.com/home/petitions-to-secede-from-US-179119631.html
 
 
+8 # reiverpacific 2012-11-14 20:12
Quoting djnova50:
It's not just Texas that is petitioning the White House. There are 39 states that have groups of citizens that have signed petitions to secede from the Union. Including Washington and Oregon: http://www.king5.com/home/petitions-to-secede-from-US-179119631.html

I live in Oregon and have checked out your thread.
"Groups of citizens" is about what it amounts to, which is from what I can gather 500,000 across the country. It averages out at about 12,821 per 39 states if you data is right. Hardly a wave of revolutionary proportions -and they'll always be there anyway, hiding in corners and sniping.
Now you can join up with these permanent malcontents, who are just offshoots of the Tea party really and just as out of touch (although their websites make them sound almost rational enough to attract the detritus from the "never enough" crowd), or you can accept the mandate of the last election.
If you burrow deep enough, you'll find enough trash from some long-buried heap to fuel sufficient rhetoric for whatever agenda you want to put forward.
Hell, I met some Albanians recently who thought that they'd been living an Nirvana for 50 years----etc (only kiddin' but you get the point I hope).
So what IS your point B.T.W.?
 
 
+3 # kelly 2012-11-15 10:29
700,000 people and it is across 50 states and you may have averaged it out but many states have more than 25,000 which, according to some white house blog makes them recognized as warranting a hearing by the president. I hate that. I don't know what their point is but mine is that even in the most liberal of states(includin g Nirvana, which is a quite liberal state of mind) there are jerks.
 
 
+24 # sameasiteverwas 2012-11-14 17:52
Let 'em go. And I speak as one with myriad relatives in the Big State. Let them fight their own battles with immigration and rising Gulf waters. Let them format their own textbooks, and let us return some semblance of reality to ours. Let them be a refuge for all who suffer under the dreadful oppression of health care, marriage rights, women's rights, and diversity. Let them elect their own President and salute their own flag. (We can annex Puerto Rico at the same time so that we don't have to change the 50-state pattern of stars on ours.) Let them fill the vast wastelands of their deserts with refugees from Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia -- and let's see how they support them WITHOUT any aid from us. Let us have our idealistic, compassionate country, and let them have their ideological, selfish one. See how long "trickle down" actually works in a big, hot, humid petri dish, without bothering us anymore. I wish we could. But it would be seen as an abject failure of this administration. Maybe after the next Democrat takes the White House in 2016?
 
 
+9 # MJay 2012-11-14 17:54
apparently there are no Americans left - or they would know President Andrew's "Proclamation to the people of South Carolina, December 10, 1832"
 
 
+28 # fredboy 2012-11-14 18:14
PLEASE secede, Texas.
Then you'll need a passport and visa approval to visit us.
You'll get no direct help when you need it, only limited foreign aide.
When you're invaded, you're on your own.
Zip subsidies. For oil. Farmers. Ranchers. Zip.
And we'll all be free of the BS swaggering and bragging.
Please Texas, pull that rip chord!
 
 
+10 # popeye47 2012-11-14 18:39
If my memory serves me correctly along with the history books, Texas and others seceded in the 1860's. I forgot who won that war.
 
 
+5 # NOMINAE 2012-11-14 22:14
@ popeye47

Popeye, please. Any red-blooded Texan will tell you that the Confederacy won that war. Just note the flags on their 4WDs. After all, who would possibly fly a "Loser" flag?
 
 
+20 # Citizen Mike 2012-11-14 18:39
Let Texas go, it is an embarrassment to the United States. Let 'em all go peacefully to establish some new republic where science ain't true and global warming is not happening, creationist textbooks teach kids that the black people were created on the Fifth Day with the animals, everyone is required to wear a gun, and sodomy is punishable by death. So long as they are prevented from ever having nuclear weapons. And I never have to visit.
 
 
-4 # Human Right 2012-11-14 18:58
If Texas or any other state can stand on their own they would do well to secede. Cessation would mean they would no longer be under the National Defense Authorization Act, they could return the habeas corpus to their law books, get rid of torture, stop helping apartheid church state of Israel and their wars, along with many other things. Cessation would be a very good thing if it were possible for Texas to stand on its own.
 
 
+4 # NOMINAE 2012-11-14 22:17
@ Human Right

Some truly great ideas there .... but do you think that any *one* of them would be adopted by Texas ???? "Our" Texas ??? :)
 
 
+1 # reiverpacific 2012-11-15 10:49
Quoting Human Right:
If Texas or any other state can stand on their own they would do well to secede. Cessation would mean they would no longer be under the National Defense Authorization Act, they could return the habeas corpus to their law books, get rid of torture, stop helping apartheid church state of Israel and their wars, along with many other things. Cessation would be a very good thing if it were possible for Texas to stand on its own.

Au contraire, I can hardly see the Texas we all know so well, the one that has executed more people than any other state for a long time now and that the late Molly Ivin's named "The University of Bad Government", embracing Habeus Corpus, would be more likely to laugh at it and re-introduce slavery, public flogging, lynching and execution, apartheid against it's own dark-skinned people and enhancing the NDAA -I mean, the Texan "Department of Public Safety" has it's own drones now, as well as several police departments. I'd say that it would be more likely to resemble a cross between the former HMS "Bounty" and Devil's Island.
Perhaps it could be bordered off and turned into a museum of Medievalism in the modern era, like Kentucky's museum of Creationism. Don't they teach that shit with compulsory bible study in Texan schools too?
It would be like removing a millstone of regression from the nation's neck. Arizona too.
 
 
+23 # Willman 2012-11-14 19:14
They should have seceded before we got the bush fiasco. They didn't mind being in our country then.We should forcibly remove them due to giving us bush.
 
 
+5 # NOMINAE 2012-11-14 22:22
@ Willman

All of these petitioners are mere children threatening that if they don't get *their* way, they are going to take their football and go home. There is no use in explaining to them the workings of a democracy.

We have two choices:

1. Ignore them
2. Help them pack

Just as one would with a six year old throwing the same tantrum.
 
 
+5 # GGmaw 2012-11-15 06:06
The Bushes were not Texans!!!! They just lived here temporarily. They belonged in New England. They were a big part of Texas' problems! Texas will be Democratic again - just wait a few years!
 
 
+1 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:54
Yup, they were "not from around here". Kinda' like that Smiley person quoted in the article who isn't a Texan at all, but really a Californian.

Here is his info:

http://bobsmiley.me/#cc2/linkedin

Born and lives in California. NOT a Texan. I guess it is fun telling lies about Texas.
 
 
+2 # Doctoretty 2012-11-14 19:18
I'd like to say, "Don't let the door hit you on the way out." But I have too many friends that live in Texas.
 
 
+9 # Scott Galindez 2012-11-15 00:33
We would have to rescue people in Austin first...
 
 
+3 # GGmaw 2012-11-15 06:07
And Dallas!!!!
 
 
+4 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:54
Heck, rescue 43% of Texas - we're Blue.
 
 
0 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 10:36
41%
 
 
+6 # allie 2012-11-14 19:24
Hasta la vista babies! So stupid. All those who signed the petitions need some whine with that cheese. Remind me how many states wanted to secede when Bush was "given" his second term. Hmmmm, think the number was zero.
 
 
+6 # logical1 2012-11-14 19:25
We would not even lose the football players.
Don't tell me the best players would not want the money from USA Football teams. Some would remain Cowboys and Texans. Those teams would want the TV money and remain NFL.
The oil companies would want to sell to Americans as does most of the world. There is not much that the USA would lose if Texas succeeded. There is a lot the US would save. Have not even mentioned if they did it years ago, the loss of George W, Enron, Lyndon Johnson, and Kennedy assassination memories that we never would have experienced.
 
 
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2012-11-14 19:34
I have read about the states wanting to leave. I believe you need percentage of population. I do not believe we need Texas
Arizona go with... Real Arizona personnas join sanity.
Colorado your racism is showing as it is in
Not surprising of the Southern Tier.
I would love to see who these people are, ages, religious background, school background.

I would like to say NJ and NY were supposedly filing and I think that is a slap in Nations Face so FEMA leave them.

Speaking of FEMA, as you notice many of the ingrates are States who have had their hands out in past ten years for FEMA... They also depend on Federal Grants, Budget and freebies. Imagine the Budget dumping these crutches. We would save bundles probably within a year run blue...Again proving why Red States and their Candidates are not good..red signifies a bad budget. Republicans are always putting USA in red sometimes within months of getting in Office.

Adios, do not come a lookin for help if Disaster strikes. You do not need us.

I believe they should go Then in their Budget needs Romnit rides in to save them by buying out their debt with Bain. Bain gives them money and then Sells their Ass ets to China.
Win Win situation for all in that scenario.

This is out dated, and I already waved goodbye. Let them go...less idiots in Congress, was hoping Boner was going also.

Now can we go in with inspectors to make sure they have no weapons of mass destruction?
 
 
+1 # kelly 2012-11-15 10:49
Thanks Kittany for saying what I have been trying to point out. That while Texas is making a huge mistake, there are many many northern states filing that people are willing to give a free pass to because their electoral vote went to Obama. I'm sorry if our votes for the President didn't count here except in the popular numbers. However, we are passed over as yahoos and "no 'counts" simply because we live here. Texans aren't the only ones calling for secession there are 49 other states pulling the same ridiculous trick. Rather than sending in inspectors, just send in the stoopid police to EVERY state who doesn't realize that freedom of speech doesn't in clude secession. We settled that beginning with North Carolina in 1861. Anyone who doesn't knowo can take their rewritten history books and &$^#%#*#%^@. You get the message.
 
 
+6 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:29
Don't forget that 43% of Texans voted for Obama... All we needed was another 8% and we would have been Blue. Don't sell us off just because some people are babies.
 
 
0 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 10:37
Don't forget 41% voted for him and 58% voted for romney. All you need is another 17% and a white candidate.
 
 
0 # JH Gordon 2012-11-14 19:49
I agree, Texas should be allowed to do what Texans do anyway. So, if they want independence they should have all but Austin, San Antonio, and the independent republic of San Marcos in between and any of the Hill Country I've failed to mention. It's all California with a Stetson anyway.

And before I get letters, it's a joke. That's for the Texans and Californians who don't git it.
 
 
0 # GGmaw 2012-11-15 06:08
How about Dallas - the most Blue county in Texas!!
 
 
0 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:30
Sorry, I looked at the city-by-city and Travis county was Bluer than Dallas County.
 
 
+7 # tabonsell 2012-11-14 19:57
Texas secession has one minor problem for them and for us up here in Civilization.

That is the United Staters Constitution (Article 4, Section3) says that only Congress can determine the disposal of property belonging to the US. Now Texas has many US military bases, the Johnson Space Center headquarters, federal highways, office buildings and courthouse. It has US national parks, forests, monuments and other property belonging to all of us, not just to Texans.

So, let's let 'em go, but first Texas must buy all the United States assets within its boards; to just leave and take all those assets with them is theft. So let's allow Texas hand over a reasonable price for what belongs to all of us, then be on its way. Maybe $16 trillion would be a reasonable offer to cover all the financial damage its Bushes, Gramms, Armeys and others have caused us. Texas could also pay rent on some of the other US assets within its orders that it doesn't purchase outright.

And let's not worry abut those NFL-calibre wide receivers. When they have few opportunities in the Republic of Texas to apply their skills they will seek asylum to the US to try out for the NFL, just as Cuban defectors now do to seek employment with Major League Baseball.
 
 
+2 # JH Gordon 2012-11-16 17:55
Texas wasn't that far from going with Obama. So you guys quit it out. But anyone with any brains, left or right wing or centrist is sick and tired of a "broken" Washington. So...

Texas has a burgeoning Justice Party and if you live there you should git on board. Texans would like a Constitution that politicians don't use for toilet paper. It's a job description, stupid...
 
 
+6 # bandz 2012-11-14 19:59
The problem with supporting the effort to have Texas secede from the United States, is that it might fail. Why not just give Texas back to Mexico? That would be a better solution. Or would Mexico have the right to refuse??
 
 
+1 # HerbR 2012-11-14 20:14
But the Mexicans would have to say a word or two about that, no ? Would they want all of that, or only the Spanish-named counties and towns ? But one guesses that the locations and contents of the banks etc etc might be a controlling force also ! One ought not to expect them to stand idly by, as the saying goes.
 
 
+4 # RMDC 2012-11-14 20:26
OK Texas -- don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. Good riddance. I can't think of anything that Texas has done to behefit the other 49 states. It is just a big whining cry baby, always acting as if it gets no respect.
 
 
+3 # m... 2012-11-14 20:28
There may be plenty of Job Opportunities in a Texas Session...

How many jobs might be created digging a large moat and putting up a tall fence all around the new Republic of Texas?

Might a real fix for the current unemployment problem..!

Thanks Texas..!!
 
 
+13 # Billy Bob 2012-11-14 20:37
I'm not daring you to secede, Texas.

I'M BEGGING YOU!

We can't afford to keep supporting big fat red states with no sense of responsibility to the rest of the country anymore.

Texas, it's time to move out of the basement and grow up.
 
 
+2 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:31
We're not red anymore. We're Purple going Blue.

43% of Texans voted for Obama. Another 10-20 years and we'll be a solid Blue state.
 
 
+1 # Billy Bob 2012-11-15 17:09
I used to think the same thing. Demographically , the truth is that it will take at least 30 years for texas. Not to worry though, Arizona, North Carolina, and Georgia REALLY WILL be blue within the next 10 years.

Texas is becoming irrelevant.
 
 
+14 # Billy Bob 2012-11-14 20:41
I lived in texas for several years. When I was finally able to get the hell out I remembered missing 3 things. But, my best friend now lives in another state, and I've found good barbeque and Mexican food elsewhere.

There's nothing left to miss.

Texas, you can leave now. Just don't ask us for any foreign aid.
 
 
0 # David Starr 2012-11-15 13:22
@Billy Bob: I would support Texas being on its own if its prevented from having control of its own "foreign policy", i.e., if its a case of the right being in control and harboring any ideas of invading its neighbors, e.g., Mexico, which of course Texas was a part of at one time but was stolen probably by the ancestors of today's Texas right.
 
 
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-11-15 13:38
Texas wouldn't stand a chance against Mexico. In fact, it would be asking the U.S. to defend it. Texas wouldn't get to leave this country and keep any nukes either. It would lose all American military bases as well. It would be just, literally, texas vs. Mexico.

Its foreign policy would consist of pleading for U.S. protection.
 
 
-1 # Billy Bob 2012-11-15 17:11
In fact, we should treat texas like we treat all other 3rd world countries:

1. If they have something we want, we steal it.
2. We make damn sure they never acquire nuclear weapons they could use to defend themselves.
3. We denigrate their populace as a bunch of backward terrorists as an excuse to do whatever the hell we want to them.
 
 
+2 # David Starr 2012-11-15 17:14
@Billy Bob: I think you're probably correct, but not just regarding a "liberated" Texas, but in either case, overall U.S. foreign policy.
 
 
+2 # JH Gordon 2012-11-16 18:09
Any place that has road houses named Hotter n' Hell Chili and Cold as Yer Heart Beer, still make me smile. Mebbe we aughta think about why we'd like to bust loose from Washington. Californians would do fine without the rest of the 49 and everybody thinks we're odd anyway. Don't know why they keep coming. I can think of a reason or two to split off... Maybe Texans are just tired enough of DC to do it. Why pay somebody to screw up when you can do it just as well yourself? Some of you act as if they don't have a reason or brains. Maybe they have both. Never know, it could happen.
 
 
+1 # Rick Levy 2012-11-14 20:54
Good riddance. Don't let the screen door hit your butt(head)s on the way out.
 
 
+9 # readerz 2012-11-14 21:08
While we are having our fun with this...

Mitt Romney now claims that Obama got African-America ns to the polls by offering them gifts.

(Of course, no mention of all the newspaper "endorsements" for Romney after he had bought the newspapers.)

I wish the 1 percent would secede (after they leave their money here).
 
 
+7 # NOMINAE 2012-11-15 05:37
@ readerz

I still enjoy a vicious smile when I recall the fact that the SALT LAKE CITY TIMES endorsed Obama. WoW ! Is that "cold" or what ? :)

And, apparently Mormons were NOT kidding. Romney got a smaller percentage of the Mormon vote than did George W. Bush!
 
 
+9 # ganymede 2012-11-14 21:17
For some reason this article bothered me.This idiotic talk of succession is straight out of the anti-bellum South. All the former Confederate States voted overwhelmingly for Romney. Asides from being dominated by a racist/slave ideology, these white southerners are obvioously the most ignorant and warmongering of all Americans. Just think of the hilarious show of stupidity Rick Perry put us through earlier this year. Fortunately a rapidly growing minority of Hispanics, Asians and enlightened whites in Texas and other parts of the south aren't taking this seriously and would never let this happen.
 
 
+5 # bingers 2012-11-15 06:25
The worse the quality of the schools, the redder the state. I don't understand the Dakotas and Montana going for Romney, but for the rest of them, it makes sense.
 
 
+8 # zaunce 2012-11-14 21:20
So they have 80,000 signatures on their petition? As a liberal Texan I can assure everyone that they have barely scratched the surface. Without too much effort they can find 10 times that many nuts to sign up, maybe 20 times.
 
 
+3 # readerz 2012-11-14 21:21
And better yet, all those who want to secede from the Union can go back to wherever their ancestors came from; the only exception being Native Americans. That way, the rest of us get to keep the land, and those who don't like it here get to secede, and those countries where they came from get to provide education and health care; oops, it's the European model. Well, too bad, they'll just have to get used to it.
 
 
0 # Bildo 2012-11-19 11:43
Quoting readerz:
And better yet, all those who want to secede from the Union can go back to wherever their ancestors came from; the only exception being Native Americans. That way, the rest of us get to keep the land, and those who don't like it here get to secede, and those countries where they came from get to provide education and health care; oops, it's the European model. Well, too bad, they'll just have to get used to it.

I see from all these posts that no one knows what UNITED STATES INC really is. It's well documented that it is a corporation. If we secede from the Corporation, that would put us back into the Republic. What's wrong with that? I'm no longer a US citizen. I'm in the Wisconsin Republic. No need to move. You can stay where you are.
And, please tell me, when the "Federal Government" (corporation) was given the authority to rule over the Sovereign States.
 
 
+6 # gusselig 2012-11-14 21:52
Dear SkyKing. I don't know any delicate way to tell you this but there is no treaty between the US and Texas nor has there ever been a ratified one. Texas did not enter the Union under a treaty. It came in under a Joint Resolution which did not give it the right to secede. Sorry about that but you are just wrong.
 
 
+4 # NOMINAE 2012-11-15 05:50
Quoting gusselig:
Dear SkyKing. I don't know any delicate way to tell you this but there is no treaty between the US and Texas nor has there ever been a ratified one. Texas did not enter the Union under a treaty. It came in under a Joint Resolution which did not give it the right to secede. Sorry about that but you are just wrong.


Well, be gentle gusselig. SkyKing self-describes as being "steeped in Texas History". If that means SkyKing grew up and was educated in Texas, then SkyKing is suffering from a life-long brain washing that began a the Mama's knee, and continued through every day of public schooling SkyKing may have received in Texas.

It is almost impossible for such an upbringing to be challenged by mere facts.

That is the very source of so many rabidly fanatic Texans to this day.
 
 
+1 # bigkahuna671 2012-11-14 22:19
ACtually, I think the best thing to do would be to let Texas, and the rest of the South that wishes to, leave the Union. As Rick Perry so succinctly said not so long ago, Texas does have the right to leave the Union at any time it wishes. So let 'em leave. Think about it, California, New York, and Massachusetts, you would no longer have to bail out the red States at the expense of your own. California is in dire straits simply because they pay so much more than they get back from the Fed, all because the red States have their hands out. Let 'em sink in their own racist slime. Who would give a big whoopee. I'd recommend shipping my home state Arizona, as well as Utah and nebraska, into that mix. Do you think Nebraska farmers would be getting the Federal $$$ they're getting right now from a Richmond-based govt? Hell, no!!! In fact, I'm willing to predict that within a year, the blue bozos would be begging to be let back in...and I say, NO WAY!!! Hey, maybe they can convince Mexico to take 'em in as new Mexican states...or maybe they'll start trying to cross OUR borders for jobs and a better life, you know, become illegal immigrants. How choice a thought. Mitt could be President or King or Emperor or Grand Poobah of the KKK for all I care. Yeah, let's let 'em all leave and then flush any thought of them out of our systems!! Good riddance to bad rubbish!!!
 
 
+1 # bingers 2012-11-15 06:27
You mean California, New York and Massachusetts wouldn't have to bail out the RED states, right?
 
 
0 # bigkahuna671 2012-11-15 10:57
Yep, Bingers, I did mean RED states, SBT. That's Marine slang for "sorry 'bout that." I think the Texans have opened a can of worms 'cause there are a lot of Americans out there who are sick and tired of all the idiots from that state who have done their utmost to destroy our country. The only two Presidents from Texas were both liars - LBJ and Dubya. I fought in the war LBJ expanded (after JFK has ordered our troops home) with that phoney Gulf of Tonkin incident and I've watched so many of our young people either die or get seriously wounded in that phoney Iraq War (really, was it a war? Nah, just Dubya's revenge for the disrespect shown to his Daddy). Neither man was honest and even though LBJ did accomplish some of JFK's dreams, Vietnam will always be his albatross, just as Iraq is Dubya's. Yeah, I'm all for Texas leaving....Go, Go, Go!!!
 
 
+2 # bigkahuna671 2012-11-14 22:21
(Sorry, but I was running out of room) As a follow-up, I'm aware that Texas can't really leave the Union, but let's let 'em do it anyway. We can pretend Rick Perry has more brains than a BB (or a Bush, Quayle, Palin, or Bachmann for that matter) and let him have his way. Yeah, Rick, you got the right idea. Go for it.
 
 
+5 # Tigre1 2012-11-14 22:33
How wonderful! Texass leaves, mounts its own currency, ie, theBullchip, which is worth five Goobers. They keep the 'Swift Boat Perrys' and the whole fam damly of Bush and the PayDay lending companies which bankrupt so many poor Americans now...oh my yes, let it be done. They'll belong to Mexico in two years...
 
 
+1 # David Starr 2012-11-15 13:25
Quoting Tigre1: "They'll belong to Mexico in two years..."

That would be historical justice, as long as Mexicans control it based on it being a part of the nation of Mexico.
 
 
+7 # WallStWallFlowerGirl 2012-11-14 23:06
Merry Christmas America! Let secessionists drop out of school! If their only interest in staying in America is for mail delivery- they need to pay up. All federal use becomes a charge: mail delivery- charge per unit delivered; driving on federal roads & highways, including the use of mass transit via road, rail or air- charge per mile; first responder calls- depends on emergency; sending kids to public schools- rated per child, per state and per years; buying food approved by the FDA, including all over the counter medicine- charge it! The list is almost unfathomable and the windfall will pay our debt to China, the deficit AND pay off invading Iraq that accrues daily interest on the VISA card it was charged to! It's the gift that keeps on giving!

It's time to call the hand of Ted Nugent Americans. Their divisiveness is more UN-American than American athletes wearing Olympic uniforms made in China. Enough! Let them eat cake and let them secede! Let them pay for what they take for granted. I'd rather feed hungry children with their UN-American money than feed their hypocrisy any more.
 
 
+22 # karenvista 2012-11-15 00:12
We're embarrassed by our Republicans and Tea Partiers and we've got plenty of them to be embarrassed about.

Keep in mind that ALL our larger cities went for Obama though and we seem to be outliving the stupid old white men who have been running this state-like Rick Perry and his cohorts.

Several of you have mentioned our illustrious State Board of Education. We have a continuing guerilla war going on with them and just got rid of a few more of the loonies in the last election but we didn't get rid of this one:

"I’m sorry. This critical thinking stuff is gobbledygook.”

David Bradley, R. Beaumont
Texas State Board of Education

Take pity on us we have a lot of cretins to get rid of before we can be allowed in polite society.

I'll bet the worst of them have signed the petition and I would agree that they should be immediately repatriated to their last known country of origin.

It would make our job a whole lot easier!
 
 
+12 # NOMINAE 2012-11-15 06:08
@ karenvista

Thank you for your very courageous comments.

While we are having our fun sniping at some of our mouth-breathing , knuckle-draggin g brethren here in this country, we are all fully aware that Texas has millions of good people (as you say, note the votes from your cities).

The truly good news for us all, and the thing that IS making the Good Ol' Boys go characteristica lly ballistic, is the very fact that Texas and other "outlying" Red States ARE changing. This secession talk is simply the noise they make as they are being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the 21st Century.

But following centuries of their bullying, blustering, boasting braggadocio, they have just set themselves up as a target entirely *too* sweet to be ignored. :)

I would like to offer my condolences to the myriad sane, sophisticated human beings who also reside in the Lone Star State.
 
 
+8 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:42
But it isn't fun for people who actually live here and take a stand on issues. People who go out on marches. People who have risked their lives saying some very unpopular things {like two people should have the right to marry, even if they are the same gender).

Texas may seem like it is filled with Yahoos - it isn't. I remember being in an auto parts store in the 60's and overhearing two men talk about how they would kill a black man if he was ever found on the Texas Women's University campus. No emotion, like they were talking about the weather.

This state has come a long way in attitudes. True, we still have our racists, but they are dying off.

Unfortunately, we still elect some of the dumbest politicians. don't even get me started on Perry.

Try to keep in mind that there are GOOD TEXANS working for change here. And it isn't all fun and doughnuts.

Just be a little more sensitive.
 
 
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-11-15 17:14
I lived in the same town where you heard that comment. Just ten years ago "Kappa Kappa Kappa" still had a chapter there. As someone who's lived in most of the U.S., believe me, texas has a LONG WAY TO GO if it wants to take part in REAL America.
 
 
+3 # feloneouscat 2012-11-16 07:09
Not true. Texas voted 43% Blue in this election.

Do we have some idiots? Yes. But, then, so do a lot of other states.

I still live in Texas. It's the old farts that have to die off. In less than 20 years we will be a Blue state.
 
 
-3 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 00:12
Obama lost Texas by 17 points!

He only lost Arizona and Indiana by 10. He only lost Georgia by 7 and he only lost North Carolina by 3!!!

Clinton did better than Obama in Texas and that was back in the '90s.

Twenty-thirty years from now texas will be a swing state. LONG BEGORE THEN Arizona, North Carolina, Indiana, and Georgia will become solidly blue states.

This makes texas irrelevant to the discussion of how American shapes itself in the coming decades. Texas is WAY behind the curve and the United States of America is going to leave it in the dust (sorry, "texas black dirt").
 
 
-1 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 23:15
Look it up. Sorry, but it's a fact. I don't know why it should be so controversial. In 10 years it won't matter how texas votes. We're already at the tipping point. Several other states will push us over before texas comes around.
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2012-11-15 08:21
If texas would finally just secede already, we could let people like you immigrate into America. Of course they'd build a fence to keep you in, East-German-sty le. I think we should deport all conservatives to texas. Let them send their kids to texas public schools. Let them drive on texas roads. Let them drink texas water.

There'll be no reason left for you to stay in that God-forsaken 3rd world anti-American little country with delusions of grandeur.
 
 
+5 # Texas Aggie 2012-11-15 10:23
"I’m sorry. This critical thinking stuff is gobbledygook.”

David Bradley, R. Beaumont

Jeebus! And I thought we had it bad with Don McLeroy!
 
 
+5 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:34
And, BTW, 43% of us voted for Obama.

Seriously, we are close to being Blue.

Don't kick us out because of a few inbred yahoos (and don't eat the BBQ in the Big Thicket either... just FYI).
 
 
+9 # ericlane 2012-11-15 03:13
Can you imagine Texas without the military teat to suck on? In San Antonio, the country's 7th largest city, the military is the largest industry. Statewide, there is really only one major industry: oil and gas. The whole state (and for that matter, the whole country) is run by the Texas oil and gas boys. And don't think if Texas turns blue things will change. You don't rise in Texas unless you know who to know. If Texas were to secede, a lot of our national nightmares would disappear and Texas would continue its march toward becoming the ecological sewer of North America.
 
 
+1 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 00:31
The irony in the truth you just stated is that texas doesn't even have any oil left. It's just has oil executives.

Either way you're right! DON'T DRINK THE WATER!
 
 
+3 # video4315 2012-11-15 07:24
As a citizen of a state other than Texas, can I sign their petition? I'll even hold the door open while they leave!
 
 
+9 # video4315 2012-11-15 07:25
PS....Does that mean W goes with them, too? What a bargain!!!
 
 
+5 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:44
As a citizen of the United States and a resident of Texas does that mean y'all will take George W. Bush back? Because, frankly, he wasn't born here and we really don't consider him a Texan.
 
 
+3 # bingers 2012-11-16 06:57
Quoting feloneouscat:
As a citizen of the United States and a resident of Texas does that mean y'all will take George W. Bush back? Because, frankly, he wasn't born here and we really don't consider him a Texan.



Sorry, he may not have been born there, but he got his attitude there. We don't want him, but if you don't want him either, if Texas were no longer a part of the USA, you could send him to the Hague for trial and execution for war crimes. As a former president, we can't do that to him.
 
 
0 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 00:13
He grew up there.
 
 
+3 # Texas Aggie 2012-11-15 10:17
"free passage to the land of all their conservative fantasies."

Actually that might not be a bad idea. There is a precedent in Liberia which was where a host of freed slaves were repatriated prior to the Civil War. Paying plane tickets and sea freight would probably be cheaper than any other type of compensation and we'd get to keep the infrastructure our tax dollars have paid for. The level of education and standard of living probably isn't too much different. I can attest from personal experience that elementary education in Botswana is superior to one of the better public schools in Texas (CSISD).
 
 
0 # MJay 2012-11-15 11:08
MJay
Apparently there are no Americans left!! Or else they would study President Andrew Jackson's PROCLAMATION to the State of South Carolina, December 10, 1832
 
 
+3 # homegirl 2012-11-15 11:27
Every signer of that petition should receive a letter from the Social Security Administration requesting information as to the disposal of their previously paid into funding, less employers' contributions, within 72 hours. Give them back their money and be done with them.
In fact I am sure the duly elected state legislators will reject any proposal to secede. They recieve more back from the federal government than they pay in and could not survive.

Just think about Texas trying to stem the flood of immigration from Mexico and South America, bloodshed and the U.N. would be forced to step in. Gun crazy Texans, no lose.
 
 
+3 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:58
Sadly, Social Security isn't a bank. There IS no "previously paid" - it is directly transferred to Senior Citizens. Why isn't it a bank? Because Republicans at the time feared a Federal bank...
 
 
0 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 00:33
Mexicans wouldn't immigrate into texas if it was its own country. It would just be N. Mexico again. They only enter texas because it's supposed to be part of the U.S. of A. Texans don't love this country very much though, or we would be hearing about its "lone star".
 
 
+3 # herman_the_german 2012-11-15 12:34
What happened to all those "These colors don't run" and "United we stand" banners we saw for the longest time.

I am frankly embarrassed by these developments.
 
 
+3 # feloneouscat 2012-11-15 13:01
OMG this article is so full of FAIL.

First, Smiley is NOT a Texan. Smiley lives in Los Angeles, California. He was born in California.

Second, despite what Smiley thinks, for the last eight years, Texas has received more from the Federal government than it has paid in taxes.

Third, we have a horrible infrastructure (except for roads: we love our roads).

Fourth, we have a $27 billion shortfall in the state budget. We had one two years ago but that was made up for by Federal stimulus money (see? that's how it works in this state).

Smiley is pushing baloney on people who don't bother to do research. Here is the info on Texas receiving more than it gives; http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20120805-texas-can-no-longer-complain-that-it-gives-more-than-it-gets-from-federal-government.ece

I'm an American first and a Texan second. The majority of Texans feel this way. Please don't write of the entire state as a bunch of idiots because some people are babies.

FYI, I voted for Obama (as did 43.6% of Texans). We are not a Red state - we are purple.
 
 
-3 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 00:18
Your love of texas roads shows how little you know of the outside world. I've lived in both places and texas needs to fix its roads DESPARATELY. By the way, somebody should clean up the shoulders. Truck tires, dead dogs and toilets that have fallen out the back of a pickup and have been just sitting their for months on end represent a serious driving hazard.

Y'all also don't know how to drive, but that's another story!

Isn't texas the only state in the union that makes it acceptable to fly its own flag higher than the U.S. flag?

Not everyone in Afghanistan is a member of the taliban either, but we went to war with them. texas is as texas does. Control your state first, then talk to us about how far you've come. Ya'll have a long way to go!
 
 
-2 # FLAK88 2012-11-15 13:21
Actually, it should be clear by now that a wide breach exists between roughly half the states in this nation. Optimistically, it's at least around 60/ 40. One group wants to move forward into the 21st Century and the other wants to head back to the 19th Century. This breach will only widen as time passes, so I concluded a long time ago that the only civil and practical solution is a 'velvet revolution', similar to what the Czechs and Slovaks worked out for themselves after the Wall went down. I know a lot of the current 'secession' stuff is somewhat tongue-in-cheek , but I'm dead serious in what I'm proposing. The USA cannot continue down this path of complete polarization without dire consequences for everyone. It's better to realistically plan and design a timetable for separation.
 
 
-3 # jazzman633 2012-11-15 17:18
I agree with the generalizations about Texas - there may be exceptions, but I couldn't live there.

I think the US should have let the all the Confederate states go in 1860. Today they'd be an agrarian, English-speakin g 3rd world-country. They'd have to free the slaves eventually. But wait -- where would we get our auto racers, football players, and obedient soldiers?

As a libertarian, I must point out that some of the things the author loathes about Texas are (or used to be) quite American, notably small government and lower taxes.
 
 
+2 # feloneouscat 2012-11-16 07:17
Your generalization is wrong. 43% of us voted for Obama. Dallas County and Travis County were Blue. The majority of Texans take a "live and let live" attitude.

It's the loud, obnoxious minority old white boys and their idiot sons that give Texas a bad name.

As for "low taxes" you'll get an ear full from many residents. Because our Gov. doesn't like federal money (except when we need to shore our our short fall), the state and cities have had to increase taxes. The Department of State Health Services is only 2nd to the CDC (IIRC) in the number of specimens it processes.

People in Texas "talk" small government, but they never implement it.

BTW, most of what is in this article is wrong or dated material.
 
 
-1 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 00:28
41% of ya'll voted for Obama and 58% of you voted for Romney.

Obama did A LOT better than that in North Carolina, Georgia, Indiana, and Arizona.

Come away from the dark side. Darth Vader may be your father Luke but he's not a role model. You can stop defending him.

Ya'll are in denial.
 
 
0 # cliff lamotte 2012-11-16 00:12
My attitude about Texas secession is like that of my grandfather when my father threatened to run away from home (in Texas, actually). Grandfather went to the bank and withdrew $50 and offered it to my father, saying, "don't come back." My father decided to stay. This was sometime between 1915 and 1920.
 
 
+6 # bingers 2012-11-16 06:48
We have the lowest taxes since the Truman administration, and that's the source of all our economic problems.

Libertarians are perfectly fine people, but nearly as dumb as teabaggers.
 
 
0 # bingers 2012-11-16 06:54
I remember when I was a kid hearing someone say that if he owned Hell and Texas he'd sell Texas and live in Hell.
 
 
+1 # fredboy 2012-11-16 08:33
Yesterday Texans drove a truckload of veterans and their spouses into the path of an oncoming train. Case closed--these are the dumbest sons of bitches on Earth.
 
 
+3 # herman_the_german 2012-11-16 16:00
A MODEST PROPOSAL (II)

On the one hand we have people from all over the world who risk their lives to come here looking for freedom and a livelihood.

On the other we have citizens who wish to leave because they are unhappy with the results of a Democratic system.

I propose to exchange one for the other, that is allow the illegal aliens to become citizens and get their former addresses so that our unhappy citizens can travel to these aliens' country of origin of their choice.

Sort of like that 'Wife Swap' TV show: 'Citizen Swap'.

It might even make for a good reality TV show.

And everyone wins at the end...
 
 
+2 # BobboMax 2012-11-16 22:22
I like it!
 
 
-1 # Billy Bob 2012-11-17 23:19
Great comment. I'll take a few million hard working Mexicans over an equal number of drama queen texans with a Napoleon complex any day!
 
 
0 # Bildo 2012-11-19 11:52
Yes, how sad it is that we were given a Republic by the founders and threw it away to become a corporate democracy where everybody is a citizen instead of a Citizen.
 
 
+1 # KeeKee 2012-11-17 05:42
I agree with Herman the German;, we're keeping the State(s); but those traitors who would sign a petition to secede and would turn their backs on America because they don't like the results of an election and want to have a little tantrum - well, they should be stripped of their citizenship and property, and forever lose the right to enter America. We should tie their names to their social security numbers and revoke their ability to work at a job or collect benefits. Perhaps then they will self-deport.

Those immigrants who are willing to come here and work and follow our laws and be loyal to our country could be granted the forfeited properties as homesteads.
 
 
-1 # Bildo 2012-11-19 12:03
Quoting KeeKee:
I agree with Herman the German;, we're keeping the State(s); but those traitors who would sign a petition to secede and would turn their backs on America because they don't like the results of an election and want to have a little tantrum - well, they should be stripped of their citizenship and property, and forever lose the right to enter America. We should tie their names to their social security numbers and revoke their ability to work at a job or collect benefits. Perhaps then they will self-deport.

Those immigrants who are willing to come here and work and follow our laws and be loyal to our country could be granted the forfeited properties as homesteads.

!) We're not turning our backs on America. We're turning our backs on the corporation known as The United States.

2) You are horribly mixed up as to the difference between United States and America. United States is a corporation. America is a country. State of is just a sub-corporation . Go to Dunn and Bradstreet or Manta.com and see that even your county is listed as a "for profit corporation".

3) Find out who is actually eligible for the Social Security Program. Are you a corporate Federal Employee? If not, then you are fraudulently partaking in a program that was not meant for you.
 

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