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Tomasky writes: "The first big thing is that a very clear majority of Americans saw the truth about the past four years."

President Barack Obama during his victory speech. (photo: Guardian UK)
President Barack Obama during his victory speech. (photo: Guardian UK)


By Michael Tomasky, The Daily Beast

07 November 12

 

his was a thrashing. I don't yet know the full electoral college total, but it's looking like at least a 100-vote margin. That's a thrashing. Over at 11:13? And the truth is, it wasn't even that dramatic. It was over around 9:00. The next two hours were just waiting around for it to be official.

You can believe, if you want, that Ohio is still up for grabs. That Karl Rove business on Fox was priceless. It's an astonishing thing, that the numbers specialists at Fox called Ohio for Obama, and the on-air talent questioned it. And not just an anchor - an on-air commentator who has also raised and spent many millions of dollars on behalf of Romney. It's as banana republic as anything that happens in a real banana republican.

But as I write, Florida is leaning Obama, and maybe even Virginia. This thing is over. Without Ohio, it's likely still 300-plus electoral votes. And after they count the votes in California, Obama is projected to win the popular vote too.

 

 

Was it the ground game? Was it the 47 percent? Was it Sandy? Was it Chris Christie? It was a little bit of all those things. But mostly it was two big things, and this election was about big things.

The first big thing is that a very clear majority of Americans saw the truth about the past four years. Exit polls showed that voters still blamed the economic problems on George Bush's administration. They thought Obama tried hard and did a pretty good job (no, he hasn't done a great job yet), and they notice the change and improvement recently. I didn't write all these things down, but in state after state exit poll as they went through them on CNN, more people thought - finally! - that the economy was headed in the right direction.

The people know who created the problem, and they know who's fixing it. That's number one.

And number two? The second big thing here is that the Republican Party is just too far to the right. Not just to win a national election. It's too far to the right even to compete really seriously in one. The thing some Republicans are saying now is absolutely true: They should have been able to win this year. No incumbent president has ever been reelected with this kind of unemployment rate, and there's no good reason it should have happened now. They could have won.

But it's a fringe party that has become too extreme to win the White House. I'd imagine they're going to blame Romney. I don't like Mitt Romney. I'm indescribably relieved that after tonight, I never have to hear that man's wretched voice again. He ran the lyingest campaign in modern history - just outright and blatant lies. But in some ways he did run a pretty effective campaign. He and his team did some smart things in the past month. They ran a pretty good race in the end in some ways.

But it was too late and too clever by half. His attempts to distance himself from the right wing came too late. I saw another exit poll number that 80 percent of people made up their minds in September. Before the first debate even happened. That large majority saw a spineless Romney sucking up to an extremist party on issue after issue. And even while Romney was pirouetting, they saw a parade of Neanderthal congressional candidates telling women to expel their fetuses.

I'll have much more to say about this over the course of the week. But tonight, America told the guy who's been trying that they appreciate it. And they told the crazy party: you're crazy.

 

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+110 # humanmancalvin 2012-11-07 12:40
Thanks to the American people for placing the value of sanity & fairness over greed & the I Got Mine Crowd. I have said for the past 2 years or so that if the president was reelected, he would not try to please the right wingers the way he did in his first 4 years. His hand went across the aisle repeatedly & was slapped each & every time. Regretfully the right controls the house but even they may recognize the need to come to the center & leave the radical right insurgency behind. I can dream can't I?
 
 
+7 # Doll 2012-11-07 15:46
But doesn't the Republican house only have a majority of one? 218 to 217?
 
 
+7 # AndreM5 2012-11-07 17:25
NO!
 
 
+8 # X Dane 2012-11-08 00:22
Doll

I think it is 243 republicans and 197 democrats. So unfortunately they have a clear majority.
 
 
0 # unitedwestand 2012-11-11 01:32
No, there are 435 total in house and 234 are definitely Republicans, several races still to be decided but that still mean Republicans in charge.
 
 
+75 # MJnevetS 2012-11-07 12:43
Now is the time to get things done. If gridlock continues DRAW LINES IN THE SAND! The American people don't want to be controlled by the craziest faction of the ultra right.
 
 
-122 # HowardMH 2012-11-07 15:43
Get things done - I don't think so. Still got the three black stooges. Obama the Wimp, Holder the puppet of the Wimp, and Justice Thomas the mute who hasn’t said anything intelligent on the supreme court in many, many years. You can also add to the list the Black Republican Congressman in Florida, Allen West who is a threat to the gene pool. What about the hearings on how bad Wall Street is screwing everyone???? Clinton put over 1000 Wall Street Crooks in jail, Bush put 1300 and Obama the Wimp and put Zero, “0”, nada, none, no one!

Wall Street, Wall Street, Wall Street. It is all just smoke and mirrors. Until there are two hundred thousand really, really pissed off people on Capital Hill (all at the same time – with base ball bats, 2 x 4s) raising some serious hell against the Lunatics, absolutely nothing is ever, ever going to happen to these totally bought and paid for by the richest 50 people in the world that are becoming more and more powerful with each passing rigged election thanks to the stupid people.
 
 
+44 # in deo veritas 2012-11-07 17:22
Race should have nothing to do with this. I agree that the govt should be prosecuting these crooks with a vengeance. The people of this country deserve justice. Nothing less than putting them in Gitmo or one of the CIA-run placs in other countries will satisfy me. Hard to believe that the shrub put anyone away as he and his entire gang including the little nazi Rove should be there already.
 
 
+40 # ABen 2012-11-07 19:27
From the opening lines of your post, it appears you are still living in the 40's. Please move into the present era and leave the racial stereotypes behind.
 
 
+20 # gopal 2012-11-07 23:26
It is interesting to me how many references there are to bush jailing 1300 wall street crooks, but not one reference that could be followed up. Perhaps, HowardMH, you could cite your source for this to help me out. I have wasted a lot of time looking already.
 
 
+5 # Barbara K 2012-11-08 20:45
We Won, get over it and try to rid yourself of all your hatred and lies before you self-destruct.
 
 
+17 # ghostperson 2012-11-07 23:30
What faction? They all fall in lockstep with the Koch Tea Pot'ers. GOP Senate and House leaders are still insisting that bipartisanship means, Democrats do what the uber-right wants.
 
 
+82 # X Dane 2012-11-07 12:47
THANK GOD!!! We didn't end up with a lot of questionable results, and lawyers fighting it out. It happened so incredibly early. And Obama got ALL the swing states, AND then some. The only one he did NOT get was North Carolina.

I hope you are happy Barbara K??? What a night.

One great thing that happened.... BOTH winners and losers very VERY gracious. That is important, for we have a lot of tough times ahead.

Many of the voters who voted for Obama to stay in The White House, may be angry at him soon. For compromises HAVE to made on the big looming problems, and there will be a lot of pain to go around.

But the bucket has been kicked down the road for too long. Now it is time to SIT DOWN act like GROWN UPS and WORK on the problems. Both parties and all of us have to face the facts, and do the best for the country and the people.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF US, AND LET'S HEAL THE WOUNDS.
 
 
+76 # Barbara K 2012-11-07 15:18
X Dane: Happy? You Betcha! I watched Romney's concession speech and Obama's Victory speech last night. Was still so excited it was hard to go to sleep and took me hours to wipe the smile off my fact today. How sweet it is!! We all worked so hard and We the People of this wonderful country of ours WON! Our President won big and now we have to give him our support and do all we can to make this a great place to live again. WE WON !!
 
 
+20 # Doubter 2012-11-07 18:13
Let's remember to press for repealing NDAA!
 
 
+20 # doneasley 2012-11-07 22:04
Quoting Barbara K:
X Dane: Happy? You Betcha! I watched Romney's concession speech and Obama's Victory speech last night. Was still so excited it was hard to go to sleep and took me hours to wipe the smile off my fact today. How sweet it is!! We all worked so hard and We the People of this wonderful country of ours WON! Our President won big and now we have to give him our support and do all we can to make this a great place to live again. WE WON !!


I feel the same way, Barb. I started this campaign in MD and ended up here in OH for the last month and a half, working with the Obama campaign in both places. I know you worked hard in MI and I in OH to put our states in the Obama column. But one unknown story to many is how VA was won with the help of Marylanders. On Saturdays and Sundays they piled into buses 1000 strong at 7 AM and motored down into the swing areas of VA to knock on doors and bring the Obama message - returning as late as 10 and 11 at night. Meanwhile other Marylanders were on the phones calling voters in selected areas of VA. One friend called me after midnite last nite describing to me the excitement at the Largo, MD office when the election was called for Barack (we're on a 1st name basis now).

It was a great victory for our president and ALL Americans.
 
 
+17 # X Dane 2012-11-08 00:53
doneasley, and Barbara too.
T H A N K Y O U. You are real heroes to me...and many others. You and ALL the people who worked so hard to help re-elect Obama can take pride in your efforts and hard work.

Because of you, Obama's victory was amazingly early AND A CLEAR VICTORY, in so many states..... We were told that the black, young and Latino voters probably would not vote in numbers as big as in 08.

Therefore it was so impressive that they voted in BIGGER numbers, in spite of all the obstacles thrown in their way. I am so impressed and very grateful You.

I have "met" so many dedicated people on this site. It makes me feel hopeful about the future. Thank you again
 
 
+4 # Barbara K 2012-11-08 20:33
X Dane: Thank you so much for your kind words. The work was really hard and even nerve-wracking to say the least; but worth every minute. We had to get the truth out and we did, all of us. Thank you for all you did too. We can take pride in what we all accomplished in returning our wonderful President to the White House in spite of all the hate and lies out there. We were able to see the truth, and the truth is always better. Now we need to work at stamping out the hate that is killing OUR Country.
 
 
+3 # Barbara K 2012-11-08 20:43
doneasley and X Dane: Thank you and thank you for all you did to win this election too. We all worked so hard and at times it was exhausting, but we all won, thanks to all who came together for a common cause of getting the truth out there and fight off the lies and hate being spread from the other side. It worked, and OUR Country is so much better because of the work you and others in Ohio did. We won! I was beginning to think that election day would never get here and when it did, the results were so exciting that I was up until nearly 3am so I could watch the speeches, and Obama's speech was so exciting and inspirational that I am so grateful I stayed up to watch it. How could anyone sleep after being so inspired? Did you see the talk that Obama gave to his Campaign Team? He actually shed a couple of tears. No wonder we like him so well, he has real Heart, and I don't think there is an ounce of hate in his whole body. The Rs could learn a lot from our President, like Grace, Honor, Integrity, Compassion, Honesty, and Caring. All things missing from his opponent. We now need to stamp out the hate in this Country of OURS before it self-destructs. There are people who harbor so much hate that it is eating them up. They really need to turn the channel and repair themselves.
 
 
+52 # NanFan 2012-11-07 12:53
A thrashing, indeed! I am thrilled and know that the next four years there is at least the hope for common decency to inject itself into the hard decisions President Obama and the elected members of Congress have to make.

I parrot your sentiments, Michael: adieu to the man behind the curtain of the craziest party ever!

As my father would say, "Don't let the door hit you in the butt as you leave!"

Thank the universe for lining up the stars for another term for President Obama and for the hope for a healthy and happy America. It won't be rosy getting there, but it will be real.

Phew! That was the longest, scariest day of my life. I'm glad at least that is over.

N.
 
 
+74 # Night Raider 2012-11-07 12:54
This was a contest between fringe craziness and common sense. Anyone who was honest knows Obama inherited a task that was impossible to fix in four years. Then his opponents began a campaign to (1). limit him to one term by putting up roadblocks everywhere and (2). create an environment where no one was ever allowed to point out the fact that Bush/Cheney left him with an economy that had been plunged into the toilet.
 
 
+66 # Tje_Chiwara 2012-11-07 12:54
Obama's victory speech was special -- subtle and focused on the truth that there is MUCH work to be done in bringing the country together. To all those who thought he didn't want to make the change we believed in, listen to that speech carefully. It tells much about the extraordinary quality of this man who has been struggling to bridge the divide. We all must help him with this difficult task.
 
 
+69 # happycamper690 2012-11-07 13:00
And, there's a third big thing. We can still proudly say that we live in a democracy that money alone cannot buy. You still have to have a better idea than the other guy. That's huge.
 
 
+46 # Majikman 2012-11-07 15:49
I'm with you, happycamper. Telling the Kochs and Adelsons etal. to stuff it was pure joy...not to mention Rove's apoplexy. I hope Fat Tony, Uncle Tom, Alito and Roberts are very uncomfortable.. .because they're next.
 
 
+19 # D12345 2012-11-07 13:02
Yes....it was a good night.With many important victories elsewhere. But the fact is that the actual voting population was split right down the middle.

Are we now acting like there is some wisdom in the electoral college? I hope not.

A
 
 
+5 # bingers 2012-11-08 10:02
Not right down the middle, 2 million + more for Obama. In a rational world Romney would have only gotten his family's votes.
 
 
+43 # WestWinds 2012-11-07 13:02
For all the money, for all the in-your-face lying, for all the bullying, for all the smug talk and dirty double dealing, for all the bought-off TV pundits (The O'Reilly Fractured)and radio hacks (Lush Limbnaugh), for all the Religious Right-wing extremism (stuff it Pat Robertson), the Right crashed and burned decisively; even the Blue Dog Caucus in the House is toast. Hopefully, America has learned the lesson that being selfish and mean spirited is NOT what America is all about. America is about FDR's Second New Deal and reaching out to give a helping hand. I'm glad the Right got their nose rubbed in it last night, and where are all those bold bloggers on RSN and elsewhere who thickly insisted the Right would prevail? Too cowardly to stick around for an, "I told you so, all along." Read the following and think on it --- always:
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always.
Mahatma Gandhi

PS: Now we know that God is a LIBERAL!!!
 
 
+6 # doneasley 2012-11-07 21:27
Quoting WestWinds:
... PS: Now we know that God is a LIBERAL!!!


There's a lot of truth in your statement, WestWinds. I'm chiming in very late, but it was a crushing victory for TRUTH! A passage in Lamentations verses 3:31 thru 3:33 reads as follows:

"For men are not cast off by the Lord forever.
Though He brings grief, He will show compassion, so great is His unfailing love.
For He does not willingly bring affliction or grief to the chidren of men."

Enuff said.
 
 
+28 # chessplayer 2012-11-07 13:05
I'm sure most of the civilised world breathed a sigh of relief at the rejection of Romney. However, a common remark by voters was that 'Obama was the best of two evils', presumably meaning they voted to keep Romney out rather than voting Obama in.
I think it's much the same across the world, that ordinary working people feel they have no voice, the word democracy meaning little, the power of the Corporations unchecked by any mainstream politician or Party.
I feel we need honesty in politics, the honesty of more 'left-wing' politicians to explain exactly why they can't or won't take on the establishment. If more were prepared to stand up and be counted, forming new organisations at a grass root level then at last working people could feel just how powerful we are.
Until that happens we'll have the continuing merry go round of elected politicians who continue to attack our wages, conditions and welfare systems telling us that these hard won rights are no longer affordable. I fear democracy is next on their shopping list, an expense they can do without.
 
 
+10 # ghostperson 2012-11-07 23:27
The rest of the world did sigh in relief.

I emailed friends in Germany and their relief was palpable.

The Brits were glued to the tube all night long. What happens to us happens to them. 90% of the population in foreign countries polled, except Israel whom we support blindly (they were 69% for Romney), would have cast a vote for Obama, the anti-Bush/Cheney/Neocon.

They are as relieved as we are.
 
 
+29 # Barbara K 2012-11-07 13:05
I think your last paragraph said it all best. People are tired of hearing craziness from crazy people in our government. They don't belong in government. The President did a job as well or better than anyone else could have done under the circumstances and all that he faced when he entered that office after taking his oath. He had absolutely no help from the Rethugs, they only wanted to take him down and took us down too. They were self-centered crazies who didn't belong in Congress. Maybe they can be more cooperative with the Dems and the President now and get serious about fixing our country.
 
 
+33 # X Dane 2012-11-07 16:00
Barbara.
we sure are all fed up with hearing the crazies shoot off their mouth, and I have been frustrated with, ...not "the American people", as politicians keep calling us as if we are on homogenous group....but I felt that too many people did not have patience, and did not realize that it would take more that 4 years to bring us back on the right track!

WELL I was WRONG. At the exit poles voters were asked, WHO was responsible for our financial problems. Close to 60% said BUSH and around 30% said Obama. And they obviously felt that he deserved and needed more time to improve our economy.

I am so glad that I was wrong.
Many obviously understand more than I gave them credit for. And I am thrilled that some nasty trolls were kicked out, Allan West and Joe Walsh, in his place is coming a strong smart woman Tammy Duckworth.

She is a REAL hero, who lost both her legs, when the helicopter she piloted in Iraq, was shot down. She has been working for the VA administration.

And not only did our all time favorite Elisabeth Warren win, but several other women are coming into the senate.
Allan Grayson, that ferocious warrior for truth, is back again in the house.

Now all I wait for, is to see Adelson, the Koch bros. and Carl Rove EXPLODE. All the MILLIONS they spent to defeat Obama, was WASTED, WENT DOWN THE DRAIN. HALLELUJAH
 
 
+21 # Barbara K 2012-11-07 16:59
X Dane: Exactly! You got it all covered. So glad they wasted all that money that they could have put into the US Treasury to help bring down the debt limit they are so worried about. Even Sherrod Brown won, in spite of being pummeled with Millions of dollars against him. We have some really good people there now and got rid of some real nasty ones. How sweet it is.
 
 
+6 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2012-11-08 09:57
Quoting Barbara K:
X Dane: Exactly! You got it all covered. So glad they wasted all that money that they could have put into the US Treasury to help bring down the debt limit they are so worried about. Even Sherrod Brown won, in spite of being pummeled with Millions of dollars against him. We have some really good people there now and got rid of some real nasty ones. How sweet it is.

I'm in total agreement with you both, X Dane and Barbara K. We spent these closings weeks doing some serious "BOOTS ON THE GROUND" work. After the last two debates, volunteers seemed to come from EVERYWHERE! I wish the both of you could have been in the Hilton Ballroom in downtown Columbus as we watched Ohio put President Obama over the top! The following day, I wore a tag that read, "Really?" utilizing the Romney-Ryan logo. My roommates backed the r's, despite my efforts to explain the stakes. As for the billionaires who tried to buy the election, they are shining examples of the saying, "A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON PARTED." Thanks for your efforts as well. Now, IT'S TIME TO GET RID OF CITIZENS' UNITED!!!

Still gotta yell about something :):):):)
 
 
+1 # Barbara K 2012-11-08 20:57
TAP: Thanks for your support, I know we all appreciate it. Spent a lot of late nights working on this election. We had to smother the lies and hate with the truth. I wish I could have seen downtown Columbus, I wonder if I did, I saw so much on TV that night, watching the polls coming in. I was actually a little afraid but always hopeful and then when the numbers started coming in, it was so exciting that I had to keep watching. Wow, it was the most exciting Election Night I ever witnessed and in awe that we were watching History being made. Obama's speech was so wonderful that I'm glad I managed to stay up to see it, who could sleep with all that inspiration and winning numbers coming in anyway? lol. Thanks for all you did too. Now we need to help him succeed in spite of the Rs who will do all they can to stop him. It is a mystery to me why they gave him the same kind of losers to work with that kept anything from being done in the past 4 years. You just can't fix Stupid, but they sure didn't have to vote for them. Now let's work at stamping out the hate and lies that will kill the wonderful Country of OURS.
 
 
+28 # Art947 2012-11-07 16:14
Dear friends, When Barack Obama was first elected President, he told us that change was hard work. He basically said that he couldn't do it alone and the PEOPLE needed to get behind the programs that they wanted and work for that CHANGE. Last night, Pres. Obama reiterated that theme when he paraphrased the late John F. Kennedy. He noted that is was not what government can do for you, but rather what we can do together.

Don't get complacent anyone. We need to demonstrate, write letters, lobby our representatives (and even those who are not our own representatives ), badger them at town hall meetings to do the right thing, and call our those who are obstructionists for an America that takes care of ALL our members.

Also remember that there is another election in 2 years. It is time to start working on getting rid of those members of the House and Senate who are NOT working for American and Americans. Let us not wait until it is too late to begin the effort to find good people to elect to office.
 
 
+16 # X Dane 2012-11-07 17:20
Art947.
You are right..We may ALSO need to URGE OBAMA.....I have been told that Roosevelt said, when asked about some measure people wanted passed....MAKE ME, And Obama may need us to PUSH..so that congress can see this is what THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT.
 
 
+31 # HahliHohli 2012-11-07 13:06
And now can we just love one another. I know it may seem like a strange concept, but the opposite just isn't working. If it is totally new to you, just start with small things....feed the birds, or squirrels in the park to 'try on' how it feels to be kind. Then go bigger, offer to help someone in need, without being paid to do it. Then go even bigger. You will find that the urge to do more will just grow and that your level of contentment and joy will increase. Life will become more satisfying and love will seek you out. If we would all do this, we would find that our government would be just what we wanted because it is a physical/cosmic law that what you put out comes back to you. If you want something better, than put out a better thought/action, like attracts like and then miracles begin to happen. And so it is! Love2All Peace4All
 
 
+21 # herman_the_german 2012-11-07 13:32
"...But in some ways he did run a pretty effective campaign. He and his team did some smart things in the past month. They ran a pretty good race in the end in some ways..."

Not of you look at the numbers. Take a look at Nate Silver's Popular Vote graph. Obama at over 50% held since the end of May with only that weird dip at the beginning of October, from which he immediately recovered.

An effective Republican campaign would have shown some competitiveness in the graph: It never happened.
 
 
+4 # bingers 2012-11-08 10:05
But an effective Republican campaign would have required them to give up their core beliefs, all of which are either hateful or just plain stupid.
 
 
+43 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2012-11-07 13:32
It's November 7, 2012; a somber 6th grade teacher named Miss Davis expresses to her class how sorry she is that Mitt Romney did not win the presidency. To try and cheer herself up, she asks her students, "How many of you are Republicans?" Every student their hands except Mary, who was sitting near the back of the class. "Mary, why didn't you raise your hand?" asks Miss Davis. "Because I'm a Democrat," Mary calmly answers. "So then, why are you a Democrat?" the teacher inquires. "Because, my Father is a Democrat, my Mother is a Democrat, so I'm a Democrat too!" Mary proudly asserts. Slight agitated with Mary's brazenness, Miss Davis sharply asks, "Well, if your Father were a criminal, and your Mother were a criminal, Mary, would you be one TOO?" "Oh no ma'am," Mary politely answers. "THEN WE'D BE REPUBLICANS!!"
 
 
+11 # jorspe 2012-11-07 13:38
This pretty much how I feel ... I HOPE very much that the feeling is general and for all of these reasons.
 
 
+26 # genierae 2012-11-07 13:38
My president, Barack Obama. Forward!

How sweet it is!
 
 
-82 # egbegb 2012-11-07 13:50
Your statement is nonsense. 52% of Americans like the handouts Obama gives them and that 52% of Americans can control all national elections. Obama has only to grow that 52% number and forever more there will be Democrat Presidents. Eventually, we will run out of other people's money.
 
 
+33 # panhead49 2012-11-07 15:39
Quoting egbegb:
Your statement is nonsense. 52% of Americans like the handouts Obama gives them and that 52% of Americans can control all national elections. Obama has only to grow that 52% number and forever more there will be Democrat Presidents. Eventually, we will run out of other people's money.


Good gravy - would you rightwingnuts at least come up with a percentage of alleged deadbeats in America and stick with it? You voted for a man that profers only 47% of us are deadbeats. Ah, therein lies the rub - telling lies and trying to remember to whom you told what lie. That was Romney's Achilles heel - he has no clue what a digital world we live in.
 
 
+7 # bingers 2012-11-08 10:16
Quoting panhead49:
Quoting egbegb:
Your statement is nonsense. 52% of Americans like the handouts Obama gives them and that 52% of Americans can control all national elections. Obama has only to grow that 52% number and forever more there will be Democrat Presidents. Eventually, we will run out of other people's money.


Good gravy - would you rightwingnuts at least come up with a percentage of alleged deadbeats in America and stick with it? You voted for a man that profers only 47% of us are deadbeats. Ah, therein lies the rub - telling lies and trying to remember to whom you told what lie. That was Romney's Achilles heel - he has no clue what a digital world we live in.


The amazing thing about that 47% is that well over half of them were Romney's base. The backward South has far more recipients of government payments than the North does. Most of the 47% the moron in chief talked about are either receiving Social Security and/or Medicare which they have paid into all their working lives. The South, because of milder weather, has a much larger % of those people in retirement. Additionally, by a wide margin the South receives more back from the federal government than they send in, while the North sends in way more than they get back. Also, that 47% also consists of retired military and active duty military in combat zones. So much of them are the Republican base.
 
 
+36 # bmiluski 2012-11-07 15:42
Are you talking about the 28 tea-bags that are in congress and collecting $100,000 per year from farm subsidies, (thus doing nothing). Or the average family of 4 that receives $16,800 per year in aid and food stamps (trying to make ends meet)?
 
 
+23 # in deo veritas 2012-11-07 17:29
Until the teabagger loonies, (especially Bachmann) are removed from office in 2014, although a thorough investigation could probably bring some up on charges sooner, it will require real hardball butt-kicking to get anything good for the country accomplished. I am still surprised that so little was said during the campaign about just how obstructionist the Repugs in the house have been the past 2 years. All their ads made it look like Obama was solely to blame for our problems. Just glad that so many voters saw through the lies.
 
 
0 # dovelane1 2012-11-10 04:54
Bachmann won in Minnesota by something like 4,600 votes, 50.3% to 49.7% over Jim Graves, who owns some hotels and who has never been a politician.

Bachmann outspent him by quite a large margine. If she doesn't change her ways, and I doubt she will, she may well be one of the next demagogues voted out. One can hope, and then, work like crazy to see it happen.

As it is, Boehner and McConnell have already gone back to their "don't tax the rich because they create jobs," obsturctionist agenda. So, apparently, they haven't learned yet. Or maybe they are just bluffing, trying to buy time to see if the American public will forget what they've been doing the last four years. We need to keep acting like fleas.

I read about a torture technique once, something about a thousand cuts. Very small cuts, all over the body, doesn't kill immediatley, but it is very painful, and eventually the accumulation of cuts is effective. Perhaps a thousand voice, e-mails, letter, all directed to these two shills will make them see the error of their ways.
 
 
+24 # in deo veritas 2012-11-07 17:33
The subsidies handed out to large farmers and oil companies ARE handouts. The people getting "handouts" as you put it are in that situation because of jobs being outsourced and employers who backed the repugs in their declared goal to beat Obama. Never one plan to solve problems, just make us hurt and blame it on Obama.
 
 
+14 # NOMINAE 2012-11-07 22:19
Quoting in deo veritas:
The subsidies handed out to large farmers and oil companies ARE handouts. The people getting "handouts" as you put it are in that situation because of jobs being outsourced and employers who backed the repugs in their declared goal to beat Obama.......


Well said ! This single fallacy on the part of the Right has been successful beyond their own imagination. That idea of calling INSURANCE PAYMENTS "entitlements", or "handouts".

Unemployment Insurance is just THAT. You pay the premiums all of the time you are working against such time as you may be out of work through no fault of your own.

Social Security INSURANCE is just THAT.
You pay Social Security premiums all of your working life against such time as you are too old, or too infirm to work.

Medicare INSURANCE is just THAT. You pay Medicare PREMIUMS every MONTH that you are covered by Medicare, even though you are lucky to find a doctor who will even consider TAKING Medicare.

From now on, every uninformed clown who insists upon calling Social Security, Medicare, and Unemployment Insurance payments "handouts", has to send back to the company any payments from his Automobile, or Homeowner's Insurance companies when there is damage to his automobile or his home.

After all, we can't be taking "handouts".
 
 
+4 # bingers 2012-11-08 10:17
Beautiful response nominae!
 
 
+14 # NOMINAE 2012-11-07 22:06
@ bmiluski

He, egbegb, could be talking about the fact that CA, NY and MA alone pay *far* more into the Federal Government than they, as States, get back.

*All* of the Red States are "debtor" states to the Fed, in that they receive *much* more in Federal dollars than they pay in.

So, the Red States, the very states bitching about "welfare queens" etc, are themselves "Welfare States", living off of the money generated by the Blue States via the Fed. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

And, of course, no hope in reminding Tea Baggers and Repub trolls that reference to the 47% that Mitty was talking about, per usual, was a baldfaced lie in saying that they pay "no taxes". They pay no FEDERAL income tax because they don't make enough money to HAVE TO pay Federal income tax. By *Law*. Even Mitty admits that he pays not a red cent more than he is required to pay by *Law*.

This includes the elderly, the disabled, the military, and the increasing number of working poor. And yet, ALL of the above pay sales tax, gasoline tax, some State Taxes, etc.

I was foolishly and sufficiently naive to think that all the trolls and low information voters adhering to, and regurgitating all of the lies, disinformation and "talking points" they have been spoon-fed over the last year would now go back to where they came from since they are now proven losers.

Silly me.
 
 
+18 # Sacrebleu! 2012-11-07 15:48
Still here egbegb?

Anyway it's not 52% who want handouts - it might be that 5% care for their fellow citizens as taught in the Bible (yes, that one).
As for the other 47% they had just been insulted by your guy.
 
 
+12 # ABen 2012-11-07 19:29
Edge: its time to stop drinking the Koolaid. The election is over and your side lost!
 
 
+4 # ghostperson 2012-11-07 23:23
No we won't. The global elite who screw with us and take jobs offshore and keep their money their can pay to stay and to receive all those "tax expenditures" they get that we the masses subsidize.
 
 
-2 # MendoChuck 2012-11-07 13:53
I just wish that it was that simple.
I will wait and see . . . . .
 
 
+27 # universlman 2012-11-07 13:58
Wild fires, drought Isaak, the memory of Katrina and Sandy all continued to remind us throughout the campaign that the GOP was wrong about the climate. Why would we rely on them to get the economy right?

The country deserves an apology for their constant misguided distractions.
 
 
+12 # in deo veritas 2012-11-07 17:36
Their actions have never been misguided but deliberate lies and obfuscations in the best tradition of the WMD's. The closest thing we will ever get from them is bringing them to justice.
 
 
+28 # Janice 2012-11-07 14:00
I knew from the start that Romney was just a puppet. Obama deserved re-election and so do we. He has accomplished near miracles with the obstructionism he faced from idiots who are living in the dark ages and say they want less government but get into our lives by telling us we can't manage our own bodies. They really are CRAZY.
 
 
+8 # robniel 2012-11-08 00:23
[quote name="Janice"]I knew from the
start that Romney was just a puppet.

How history repeats itself! Bush had the pen, Cheney had the power. During the last week before the election Ryan had already announced that he would be a reincarnation of Cheney, while Grover Norquist ranted that the GOP only need Romney to sign whatever they put in front of him.
 
 
+27 # robniel 2012-11-07 14:06
A good outcome. And of couse there was no racist element present during the campaign (I was told), but it took no time at all for conservative acquaintances and the local hate radio stations to start their racist rants after the GOP failure to win.
 
 
+8 # in deo veritas 2012-11-07 17:40
Still a lot of unreconstructed secessionists and unrepentant Nazis loose in this country who we naver forced them to learn from their medieval outlook and resulting failures. Why we spend so much time celebrating the Civil War is beyond me since it accomplished nothing except turning the coutry over to big business. If you know anything at all about American history you cannot deny that. The government Lincoln talked about at Gettysburg was already dead by that time. The railroads and war profiteers saw to that.
 
 
+3 # bingers 2012-11-08 10:21
Have you noticed the complete meltdown of the Oxy-moron (AKA Rush Limpballs)?
 
 
+24 # luvdoc 2012-11-07 14:06
And now (in my dreams at least) it is time for the House of Representatives GOP-ers to become statesmen rather than lock step Norquisters. luvdoc
 
 
+16 # seniorcitizen 2012-11-07 15:34
Indeed! Real statesmen will end this gridlock! Get jobs bills passed. Solve the tax problem and start to work for this country. Be a representative, that is what your job is. Represent your states.
 
 
+36 # seniorcitizen 2012-11-07 14:09
This article expresses some good reasons that Romney lost. I believe that Romney was a liar. He lied in almost all of his ads about President Obama. He lied about his taxes, or at least did not want to show them. He never did eplain how he was going to create jobs. He was just not a person in whom I could relate to or trust. I felt he was in the pocket of the superpac money barons, like Koch brothers, and Adelson. He wanted war with Iran, which was a very scary and unwanted prospect. He also was not genuine when he went to the hispanic voters, with suntan spray on to look hispanic. How ridiculous! His running mate was a fanatic and also lied about his voting record in Congress. I found Romney to be out of touch, out of reach and out of compassion. I don't believe he had a real plan to take America out of the recession. I think he was another Herbert Hoover who was for the rich and would have sent us back to 1930.These were my feelings and thoughts about him, and I wonder if the people who voted to give President Obama more time, feel the same way.
 
 
+11 # in deo veritas 2012-11-07 17:45
AMEN! You have summed it up brilliantly. I was also appalled at the prospect of having Eddie Munster waiting in the wings should something have happened to Mitt. Worse by far than Palin. McCain and Romney were both used by the plutocrats you named
 
 
+9 # ghostperson 2012-11-07 23:21
I am also a senior. There was just no fixed ethical center to this man. Anyone can change his or her mind from one position to another based upon new facts and conclusions. One cannot simply be a new dawn every time the mouth is opened to pander to whomever is before them. I would trust the ethically bankrupt Karl Rove before Romney because he is true to his meglomania. Paul Ryan the good Catholic is infatuated with the ranting of a sociopathic atheist. There was nothing in their agenda for real people with real lives and problems. The Tea Party's fire in the belly/smoke in the brain subservience to people who would wipe their feet on them individually and as a group frightens me. We have been SAVED and thank the Lord.
 
 
+20 # Professorjane Gilgun 2012-11-07 14:15
Thanks. Well-said. Fortunately, more than half saw through Romney's lies and the extreme positions of the far right. What about the other half? What's going on for them that they can see how mean and self-serving the far-right policies are? This nation was founded on great principles and values that we have gradually extended to include more people. Yet, there is a great resistance to fairness and we are all in this together. Do the other half believe in survival of the fittest? Shouldn't we engage in dialogue and put forth another view and that is cooperation and altruism insure survival of the group and the prosperity of the group?
 
 
+9 # in deo veritas 2012-11-07 17:49
It appears that the other half are in lockstep with medieval attitudes that only those in the Third Reich would embrace. They don't think or behave like REAL Americans.
 
 
+39 # WallStWallFlowerGirl 2012-11-07 14:21
Price of watching Karl Rove last night: priceless.

I live in a county that leans rabidly to the right yet I noticed A LOT of Obama signs. This absolutely had to do with support for Obama as it was a "Hell No!" against egregious Republican jihadists who pretend to work for people that pump gas, not own it. It took the masks off WAM (White Angry Men) who strive towards hegemony, deny global warming & pledge allegiance to a man named Grover.

And the momentum must continue- not just to remind our president the merits of his words in his victory speech last night, but to keep the plutocrats from advancing agenda on American democracy. Repealing "Citizens United," impeaching Antonin Scalia & retiring Mitch McConell & his ilk is a start. We need to bag the Tea Party & let Sarah Palin know her relevance in politics is like an umbrella in the middle of a super storm- don't need it; doesn't help.

We need to rethink priorities: behemoth, gas guzzling trucks- or carpools & mass transit? Monsanto & genetically modified food- or organic farming & diminished disease? Congressmen turned instant lobbyists for corporate welfare- or transparency on Capitol Hill holding politicians accountable? A government for the People, by the People- or a government for the rich, by the rich?

Our president is one man w/the most difficult job in the world; we cannot expect him to do everything, while we do nothing. 'Tis a new day indeed...
 
 
+12 # seniorcitizen 2012-11-07 16:01
Yes, keep the momentum going. If enough people put enough pressure on Congress, and make the president keep his promises, then "we the people" will still have a government of the people, for the people and by the people.
 
 
+10 # in deo veritas 2012-11-07 17:55
I guess I would qualify as a WAM but my feelings are directed against the neofascists you describe. They are nothing less than traitors for betraying te Constitution that they took an oath nto protect and defend. Those not in government are nothing more than uncommon criminals. We the people must DEMAND that they be brought to justice and summarily punished. How else can we have any faith in government?
 
 
+12 # bmiluski 2012-11-07 14:33
I think Carl thought his Ohio hackers had done the job like they had in 2004 against Kerry. However, it seems that our hackers out-hacked his hackers.
 
 
+28 # Banichi 2012-11-07 14:34
That's about right. I am mostly relieved at the result, rather than feeling any joy about it. I have never been faced with such clear choices in any election before, I am 65 this year and the thought of Romney & Ryan trying to dismantle everything that's good about government - Social Security, Medicare, aid for children, etc etc. - frankly terrified me. That makes Obama's win a relief since he will at least slow the slide to the right.

How much can he accomplish, and what he will be willing to take on are another question. I have not forgotten his 2008 campaign promises that were not kept, nor how the banksters have gotten off with zero jail time due to their influence. So the questions arise, how much could he really do? Was he blocked by people in his own administration as well as by the 'No-sters' in Congress for the last 4 years? I don't know.

I do recall that fairly early in his first term, he said to us all, to 'Demand from him' what we wanted. How many listened, and did so?

I do know that his 2nd term is an opportunity for him, and for us - and that 'We the People' can not relax for an instant in our fight to regain what has been lost in Liberty, freedoms, and the Constitution & Bill of Rights. We can not give up on a constitutional amendment to remove the 'Citizens United' decision, and take the money out of politics by banning lobbyists from corporations and their stooges. We have only started!
 
 
+15 # seniorcitizen 2012-11-07 15:48
Let's start by demanding that he takes action on getting Citizens United overturned. Then, he needs to change his mind about indefinate detention for Americans. When President Obama signed that bill, he betrayed my confidence in his ability to follow the constitution and uphold our rights as citizens.I cast my vote for him,in spite of many failures, but I expect some good changes to be coming about and we will have to make him by demanding it! Demand that Congress also does their job by ending the gridlock. They need to remember who they work for!
 
 
+4 # Lolanne 2012-11-07 17:42
Quoting seniorcitizen:
Let's start by demanding that he takes action on getting Citizens United overturned. Then, he needs to change his mind about indefinate detention for Americans. When President Obama signed that bill, he betrayed my confidence in his ability to follow the constitution and uphold our rights as citizens.I cast my vote for him,in spite of many failures, but I expect some good changes to be coming about and we will have to make him by demanding it! Demand that Congress also does their job by ending the gridlock. They need to remember who they work for!

I agree, seniorcitizen, and just happened to get an email late this afternoon offering a way to let the President know what needs to happen next about CU and election reform as well. Here's the link:
https://www.unpac.org/dear-mr-president/
 
 
+7 # Doubter 2012-11-07 18:36
Banichi
I'm witcha kid. (I'm 87)
and don't forget to scream for repeal of the NDAA!
 
 
+2 # bingers 2012-11-08 10:27
Quoting Doubter:
Banichi
I'm witcha kid. (I'm 87)
and don't forget to scream for repeal of the NDAA!


The NDAA has been lied about. It exempts American citizens from it. But I would like to see the Patriot act gone, as it represents a complete departure from patriotism.
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2012-11-08 13:49
Quoting bingers:
Quoting Doubter:
Banichi
I'm witcha kid. (I'm 87)
and don't forget to scream for repeal of the NDAA!


The NDAA has been lied about. It exempts American citizens from it. But I would like to see the Patriot act gone, as it represents a complete departure from patriotism.


Please cite a credible source that states that the NDAA exempts American Citizens. Here is one source from a knowledgeable attorney that dispels the myth that American Citizens are not covered under the NDAA:

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/16/three_myths_about_the_detention_bill/
 
 
+2 # Barbara K 2012-11-08 21:04
It was done on a separate Bill that Obama managed to get pushed thru Congress. I watch the Senate, you can learn a lot from watching what is happening instead of having to hear lies about it from a wrong source. You can do your own searching, it was done about a year ago.
 
 
+1 # bingers 2012-11-09 06:36
Read the bill, buddy. It explicitly exempts American citizens. Do your own homework.

Never rely on right wing posts, as right wingers always spin and lie.
 
 
+1 # dovelane1 2012-11-10 05:13
dkon - Their is difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance can learn from new and valid facts. Stupidity can not easily learn much of anything.

It appears as if you were ignorant in this case, and judging from other posts you have made, you are clearly not stupid. It is always a good thing, to be able to learn, is it not. ;-)
 
 
+2 # Barbara K 2012-11-08 21:01
bingers: I'm so glad that you spoke up too. Americans are totally exempt from the NDAA, but there are some out there with it stuck in their heads anyway. They really should just check it out and find something real to complain about.
 
 
+18 # Smokey 2012-11-07 15:00
(Sigh) I'm delighted that Obama won reelection. I get the chills when I look at the returns for the House of Representatives . It's going to be a tough four years.
 
 
+21 # Art947 2012-11-07 16:22
If we work hard enough, then it may only be 2 years of suffering. All the members of the House will be standing for re-election in 2014! If your district is represented by someone who is an obstructionist for progressive ideas, start working now to find a suitable candidate to replace that individual and work to get that person elected. Obama and his team showed the way that this can be done, let us emulate his successful campaigns.
 
 
+11 # in deo veritas 2012-11-07 17:59
We need to make it totally tough on the teabaggers to the degree that they don't want to run for re-election. Do their job or get out of DC.
 
 
+5 # NOMINAE 2012-11-08 00:35
Quoting Smokey:
(Sigh) I'm delighted that Obama won reelection. I get the chills when I look at the returns for the House of Representatives. It's going to be a tough four years.


House seats are called "Safe Seats" as a result of rampant, and often illegal, Republican "redistricting" , also known as "gerrymandering " wherein districts are (often tortuously) redrawn according to party lines such that they contain no voters from the opposing party.

Kucinich and other Democrats have seen the very districts they represent "gerrymandered" clean out of existence
by Republican "redistricting" .

Redistricting, or gerrymandering is a political tool used by both parties with varying degrees of success, and it is at least as old as Tammany Hall. It is also a "tool" that should have disappeared along with Tammany Hall.
 
 
+3 # bingers 2012-11-08 10:29
Way before Tammany Hall.

Gerry's most well-known legacy is in the coining of the word gerrymander, based on the publication in 1812 of a political cartoon criticizing the highly partisan redistricting of Massachusetts.
 
 
+2 # NOMINAE 2012-11-08 22:46
@ bingers

Hey, thanks for the historical background on that. Very helpful and informative.
 
 
0 # dovelane1 2012-11-10 05:19
bingers - If I'm not mistaken, some states do their redistricting using non-political committees. That could be another issue that people could work for in the next few years.

I just am not sure where to start working on that issue. I know Minnesota democrats took both the house and senate back, and are now working with a democratic governor. Perhaps talking with some of my local Democratic senators and representatives might be a place to start.
 
 
+1 # bingers 2012-11-09 06:42
Sadly, the 2010 elections which the thugs did so well in, driven by their "Where's the jobs" rhetoric came the same year as the census which allowed them to gerrymander like fiends. It may take years before we get fair elections. For example, Pennsylvania is blue, but there are 13 Republican districts and only 5 Democratic.

It should also be noted that the jobs where the Republican CEOs sent them, Asia. And there was and is very slow recovery because the Republicans filibustered 44 job creation bills from the Pelosi House. They didn't create one themselves until this year and it consisted almost solely of tax cuts for the rich. But they wouldn't even allow the Obama jobs bill to be voted on and have kept it sitting for more than a year.
 
 
+26 # elmont 2012-11-07 15:04
Damn right. Romney's lies were amazing. We are truly in the "post-fact" era. I'm SO happy the Big O won. It's not a perfect world, but at least Romney lost. BTW, the most recent figures show Obama ahead in the popular vote 60,193,76 to 57,468,587. That's 2.7 million more. Enough to mean something.
 
 
+17 # MindDoc 2012-11-07 15:39
Nice summation, all spot on. Comments too: especially those reflecting the huge collective feeling, of *relief*. Now at least we have a chance at an American future which leaves the Bush/Rove legacy in the rear-view window (for a while! What of Grover Norquist's continuing lifetime appointment as surrogate "We the People"?)

No gloating (that's a goal), but sheer happiness/relie f and renewed faith that America's *people* demonstrated in such huge numbers, in such adverse conditions, participatory government. Flaws and all, We the People have spoken, and hopefully Mitt McConnell will find a new tack other than proclaiming how the Senate Goal is to deny Obama any successes, no matter how it might further bring back our country from the implosion caused by 8 years of Bush-Rove-Norqu ist - Kochism.

Done (out of respect for those who honestly saw an urgent need to return to the Bush era) - but to bottle and cherish the victory of We the People over 1% propaganda and media spin - I'd bronze this sentence, and whole-heartedly concur:

Quote:

The people know who created the problem, and they know who's fixing it. That's number one.
.

Hunkering down now for a hurricane (blizzard of snow arriving now) on the heels of Sandy. Knowing America *can* come together, that we still care about helping those who can't self-capitalize , ordinary but diverse people perhaps once-again proud to call ourselves Americans - with work to be done, still - in earnest.
 
 
+19 # Traveler625 2012-11-07 15:39
I live in a rural Colorado county where all I saw coming up to the election were huge Romney signs. The signs did not make a difference as Obama won! On the ground GOVT worked here.
 
 
-40 # Martintfre 2012-11-07 15:46
Congratulations!!


The Kleptocrats won
 
 
+15 # in deo veritas 2012-11-07 18:02
Those are the Koches and their despicable inbred kind. Glad they blew so much money in a losing cauae.
 
 
+9 # ghostperson 2012-11-07 23:08
No, the robber capitalists lost dear. You must have been watching a different election.
 
 
+2 # rockieball 2012-11-08 08:23
Ah yes. They say the truth shall set you free. But way to many people refuse to see it, refuse to believe it and would rather live if slavery and fear.
 
 
+6 # bingers 2012-11-08 10:30
Quoting Martintfre:
Congratulations!!


The Kleptocrats won



Yes, some Republicans did win.
 
 
0 # bingers 2012-11-09 06:44
Quoting Martintfre:
Congratulations!!


The Kleptocrats won


Only in the House.
 
 
0 # dovelane1 2012-11-10 05:28
Martin - Your response is telling. Your priority is not honesty, but hyerbole.

Those whose main priority is honesty, won.

Those whose main priority was lying, lost. In this case, I would would categorize those who tried to buy the campaign as frightened, greedy, control freaks. And they lost.

But it is not over. Their fear will drive them to do their best to repeat their behavior. They illustrate the Einstein quote about doing the same thing over and over, proving themselves to be socially insane.
 
 
+18 # Lolanne 2012-11-07 15:54
I am ecstatic that our president won re-election. I thought he would, yet I was afraid the right's lies and money might prevail after all. So happy they did not!

I have no use whatsoever for romney, but I do have to credit him for the concession speech he gave. He actually sounded in that speech more human and maybe even sincere than I EVER heard him sound this entire, interminable election cycle. Can only hope that might signal more cooperation, a better attitude from the reps -- even, maybe (let it be so!) some real effort to work toward actually making some progress in solving the nation's problems instead of just parroting "NO" to everything!

Still, I am quite disappointed we didn't gain more dems in the House and Senate both. I think it is up to us now, both dems AND reps, to let those in Congress know we will not stand for another 4 yrs of watching them say NO and then sit idle in DC while we are paying them to work for the country's well-being -- the ENTIRE country, not just 1% of it!
 
 
+10 # in deo veritas 2012-11-07 18:04
Run the teabaggers out of DC at least in 2014 unless they can be brought under charges sooner!
 
 
+9 # cordleycoit 2012-11-07 16:51
I see a win but not a mandate. Romney as Batman was a poor choice and his Robin, Ryan,is the stuff that frightens small children. The Republican Part in Colorado just missed being a minor party not enough votes. They ought to disband and become a historic refuge for elderly conservatives and have the Tea Party as their action wing. All and all we are drifting into a Singapore style tyranny, a real unpleasant plce to to live.
 
 
+11 # Selwick 2012-11-07 17:32
I think it is time now for all of us here who were wishing that this country keeps a better place to invade the Democratic party and get our voices heard. If we want real change in this country we have to participate on a big scale.
Or start preparing for a third party with real chances. If we leave it to the existing politicians again we will be in fear again in four years.
We need to get off the couch and away from just the computer.
Shake 'em up.
 
 
-13 # Martintfre 2012-11-08 11:29
So any one want to make a guess on what the Federal debt will be when Obama leaves the White house?

I am saying $25 trillion.
In almost 4 years He added 6 trillion Putting us over the 16 trillion total But that was a huge acceleration from the past so I'm saying his second term he adds $8 more trillion.

Gas I predict over $9 a gallon
Cheap white bread $4/ loaf
Oil $220 a barrel
Gold $3200 / oz Silver $70/oz

Any one else have a prediction?
 
 
+8 # dkonstruction 2012-11-08 13:52
Quoting Martintfre:
So any one want to make a guess on what the Federal debt will be when Obama leaves the White house?

I am saying $25 trillion.
In almost 4 years He added 6 trillion Putting us over the 16 trillion total But that was a huge acceleration from the past so I'm saying his second term he adds $8 more trillion.

Gas I predict over $9 a gallon
Cheap white bread $4/ loaf
Oil $220 a barrel
Gold $3200 / oz Silver $70/oz

Any one else have a prediction?


No predictions but if you want to "put your money where your mouth is" (as my mom used to say) i'll be happy to make a wager with you (and perhaps others on this board would also like in on the action) that none of your preditions will come true in the next 4 years.

How much are you willing to put behind your predictions?
 
 
-8 # Martintfre 2012-11-08 16:09
I hope all my numbers are too high, But I'm speculating conservatively.

If I am right -- many decades of my time and effort that went into retirement plans will be wiped out.

Hard assets - not paper ones IF the feces hits the fan.

Looking at the fiscal cliff we are racing towards I am afraid my numbers will be low.


How much willing to put behind predictions ? -- Im looking at getting deeply in debt to purchase a retirement home with a low fixed interest. IF the inflation wave hits -- that property will become relatively dirt cheap. IF I leave the money in retirement plans hoping that nothing changes and inflation hits - they get wiped out and are worthless.
 
 
0 # dovelane1 2012-11-10 05:37
For what it's worth, my suggestion would be to not make your decisions based on what you are afraid will happen.

The cynic is a person who is prematurely disappointed in the future. I don't where you live, and I don't know if you can work to make a difference, but it might be the place to start - working to make a difference.

In Minnesota, we shot down both an amendment to install voter IDs, and an amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman. I heard on MPR that two of the people working to kill the marriage amendment were higher-ups in the opposing parties.

Inclusiveness works - if we let it. If we don't allow our vulnerability to shut us down to options.

Or so I believe at this point in time. Hope things work out for you.
 
 
+6 # robniel 2012-11-08 15:42
Quoting dkonstruction:
[quote name="Martintfre"]

Any one else have a prediction?


Yes. I predict you will be 100% wrong. (just like Romney's campaign team).
 
 
+5 # Barbara K 2012-11-08 21:11
Martinfre: The Debt was $13 Trillion when Obama took office. His policies added less than $3 Trillion to that. That $3 Trillion was spent to clean up the mess left by the Bushwhackers. They left such a total disaster and have the nerve to decry him for not cleaning up their mess fast enough. Some of us have enough sense to see what is really going on. You are welcome to join the intelligent people of this country if you want to, or just stay in the dark.
 
 
-1 # Martintfre 2012-11-09 12:24
Barb --
The Government (my source of data )
does not agree with your numbers.
to wit:
2008 9,986,082
2009 11,875,851
2010 13,528,807
2011 14,764,222
2012 estimate 16,350,885

see table 7.1
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
 
 
+1 # rockieball 2012-11-09 09:37
Can't say but I'd bet it will be a lot less that if Romney and his rich friends got in. At least Obama will spend it on trying to get this nation running, while the Romney Corporate government would spend it on creating jobs in China and expanding their own off shore bank accounts. We just avoided another corrupt Harding administration that led to the First Great Depression. It's sad that the American's fell for Bush who got us into the second Great Depression.
 
 
+8 # panhead49 2012-11-08 15:21
I here ya bingers - spent quite a bit of time in MS a couple years ago. And visited FL, AL,and LS too. Inbred Jed from hither to yon. And that was a neat trick the R's did with consolidating the military into southern states. Keeps plenty of money coming into their coffers. Yet somehow Obama ended up getting more donations from the military than Romney - jinkies, think our kids are battle worn and feel like if Romney wants to start $@#% in Iran & Syria - he'll need to send his own dang kids!!!?
 
 
+3 # pernsey 2012-11-09 08:38
I had to laugh, I just read a news article in yahoo, saying that Hannity says his views on immigration are evolving, I laughed so hard I couldnt breathe. Hes trying to dupe the latinos into voting republican next time, and its starting already. Soon the Fox news sheeple will be ok with immigration and the brainwashing inside the Fox bubble will continue.
 

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