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Excerpt: "Lies on Romney's scale do not simply show contempt for the intelligence of American voters. They show contempt for democracy, and display some of the features of capitalist dictatorship of a sort that was common in the late twentieth century."

Juan Cole; public intellectual, prominent blogger, essayist and professor of history. (photo: Informed Comment)
Juan Cole; public intellectual, prominent blogger, essayist and professor of history. (photo: Informed Comment)


Capitalist Dictatorship in Romney Campaign

By Juan Cole, Informed Comment

01 November 12

 

he mainstream media and even Democrats have been slow to call Mitt Romney's deliberate falsehoods "lies." But after just calling them what they are, it is also important to analyze their meaning. Lies on Romney's scale do not simply show contempt for the intelligence of American voters. They show contempt for democracy, and display some of the features of capitalist dictatorship of a sort that was common in the late twentieth century. Mohammad Reza Pahlevi in Iran, Alfredo Stroessner in Paraguay, Park Hung Chee in South Korea and P.W. Boetha in South Africa are examples of this form of government. Capitalist dictatorship has declined around the world in favor of capitalist parliamentarism, in part because of the rising power of middle and working classes in the global South.

Capitalist dictatorship has many similarities to fascism, but differs from it in lionizing not the workers of the nation but the entrepreneurs of the nation. Fascism seeks a mixed economy, whereas capitalist dictatorship privileges the corporate sector and attacks the non-military public sector. But both try to subsume class conflict under a hyper-nationalism. Both glorify military strength and pick fights with other countries to whip up nationalist fervor. Both disallow unions, collective bargaining and workers' strikes. Both typically privilege one ethnic group within the nation, marking it as superior and setting up a racial hierarchy.

One big difference between capitalist democracy (as in contemporary Germany and France) and capitalist dictatorship is the willingness of the business classes to play by the rules of democratic elections, to allow a free, fair and transparent contest, to acknowledge the rights of unions, and to respect the universal franchise. Businessmen in such a society share a civic ethic that sees these goods as necessary for a well ordered society, and therefore as ultimately good for business. They may also be afraid of the social disruptions (as in France) that would attend any attempt to whittle away workers' rights. Attempts to limit the franchise, to ban unions, and to manipulate the electorate with bald-faced lies are all signs of a barracuda business class that secretly seeks its class interests above all others in society, and which is not afraid of workers and middle classes because the latter are apolitical, apathetic and disorganized.

Sound familiar?

1. Romney's contempt for the democratic process is demonstrated in his preference for the Big Lie. In order to scare workers in Toledo, Ohio, into voting for him, he alleged that President Obama was arranging for Chrysler's Jeep production to be shifted to China. Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne sent an email to all employees refuting Romney: "I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China..." He pointed out that Jeep production in the US has tripled since 2009. Romney's political ad containing this sheer falsehood, is blanketing Ohio.

2. Romney backs Koch-brother-funded attempts to bust public unions, as in Wisconsin, even though that effort has run into trouble with Wisconsin courts.

3. Romney supports Koch-brother-funded attempts to suppress voting, typically through state legislatures requiring voter identification documents at polling booths. Such identification often costs money, so that it is a stealth poll tax. It also requires, for non-drivers, a trip to a state office and bureaucratic runarounds. Voter i.d. requirements hit the poor, Latinos, African-Americans and urban people who use public transit hardest, i.e., mostly voters for the Democratic Party. In some states, the courts are questioning the laws. But in many states they are now entrenched. Limiting the franchise was a key tactic for Apartheid South Africa's government under Boetha, which was run as a capitalist dictatorship on behalf of the white Cape Town business classes.

4. Romney's devotion to increasing military spending and his rattling of sabers at Russia, China, Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt (aren't we up to about half the world now?) are typical of the militarism of capitalist dictatorship. His repeated pledges to defer to the wishes of the officer corps with regard to whether to end the Afghanistan war suggests a certain amount of Bonapartism, where the business classes bring in the generals to make key decisions. The problem for small authoritarian business classes is that they are in competition for resources with the much larger middle and working classes and in a parliamentary system they risk being outvoted. In order to suppress the latter's claims on resources and deflect any tendency to vote along class interests, the business classes in this system pose as defenders of the nation, thus hiding class conflict and legitimating the diversion of resources to arms manufacturers and other corporations. Nationalism, militarism and war, along with voter suppression, can even the playing field for the rich.

5. The Romney campaign's remarks about "Anglo-Saxons" better understanding allies like Britain, and its support for the racist Arizona immigration and profiling law show a preference for racial hierarchy, with "Anglo-Saxons" at the top. Again, many capitalist dictatorships privilege a dominant ethnicity, as with Apartheid South Africa or discrimination against native Chileans by the Pinochet regime in Chile. Fostering racism is a way of dividing and ruling the middle and working classes, of binding a segment of them to the dominant business classes.

Obviously, the Romney version is capitalist dictatorship lite. But its strong resemblance to the full form of that sort of polity is highly disturbing. While these tendencies have existed on the Republican Right for some time, the sheer level of contempt for democracy as demonstrated in the Big Lies, the exaltation of war, the racial profiling, and the new extent of attempts at voter suppression and union-busting all indicate a sharp veering toward authoritarianism.


 

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+95 # Barbara K 2012-11-01 07:43
Your last paragraph sums it up better than I can sum it up. This is not what our country was founded on. It was not meant to be for the Corps, by the Corps and of the Corps. This soulless, heartless, evil empty suit lies to us constantly. How does one think he will govern? Not Commander in Chief material for sure. Romneyhood and his merry band of Liars, Cheats, and Thieves is not what we want in a President. That is what we would get with this freak show.

VOTE STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC so we can get some states cleaned out.

The alternative is a lying, cheating, tax dodging snake in the grass. Beware!
 
 
-92 # Martintfre 2012-11-01 08:29
FYI Barb ... the Democratic party IS an inhuman CORPORATION.
 
 
+30 # David Starr 2012-11-01 12:38
@Martintfre: You still can't tell the difference between a political party and a corporation? The former offically passes legislation for the entire nation. The latter buys the former and in turn passes legislation benefitting mainly the latter. Still, the basic functions of government and corporation are different.
 
 
+20 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-11-01 16:53
MARTINTFRE Regarding climate change. Why would anyone who thinks "heat melting ice" is just a theory. Republican slogan, "keep 'm poor and stupid and we'll (the corporations) keep all the money."
 
 
+76 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-11-01 09:06
Bill Maher made a comment about the Republican mentality that I thought was brilliant. "They douse your home with termites, then show up as the exterminator."
 
 
+24 # Barbara K 2012-11-01 09:36
EJB: Wow, thanks, that is a great description.
 
 
+35 # BradFromSalem 2012-11-01 10:46
But the chemicals they use kill your dog and feed the termites. So they have to come back and apply another treatment.
You become indebted to the extermination company until your whole family is dead, so they take possession of your home.
 
 
+34 # utjimw 2012-11-01 13:36
And then they blame the dog
 
 
+2 # MidwestTom 2012-11-01 12:03
Termites and exterminators in the real world. Remember the Ozone hole? Dupont made Freons that supposedly were the cause of the hole. In the early 80's first Allied Chemical, and then a Brazilian company stated selling Freon for half what Dupont charged. Dupont then funded research to show that the ozone hole was caused by Freon, and it was outlawed in the U.S. Dupont just happened to have replacement refrigerants that cost twice as much, and are far less efficient. The rest of the world still uses Freons, they are smuggled into this country, and the ozone hole is gone. From an energy use point of view, returning to Freons would save electricity.
 
 
+8 # utjimw 2012-11-01 13:53
Sorry MidwestTom hardly anyone uses freon any more.
 
 
+9 # WolfTotem 2012-11-01 16:36
Quoting MidwestTom:
Remember the Ozone hole? [...] and the ozone hole is gone.
But Tom, it's still there. And there are other "holes" over the Arctic and Tibet...

See, for example, http://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/
 
 
+6 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-11-02 09:16
What? "The ozone hole is gone?" Can you tell me where it "went?"
 
 
0 # Mannstein 2012-11-03 17:18
Over the antarctic it is essentially gone as reported recently by climate scientists.
 
 
+4 # Bill Clements 2012-11-01 18:37
What a zinger. Comic genius, this. Hits at the truth better than any well-reasoned exposition.
 
 
+4 # Michael Lee Bugg 2012-11-02 13:45
Eldon, the corollary to that is, the Republicans want to focus your attention on the donkey quietly nibbling in your yard while a rogue elephant is crashing through your house!

Come on you guys, join me at NPR.org and Yahoo News posting comments to a wider and more poorly informed audience! The number of dim wits posting at NPR will blow your mind! Yahoo gets your excellent comments a much larger audience. Come back here to comment after the election.
 
 
+18 # Barbara K 2012-11-01 09:34
Here is some info that was left on another story that needs to be passed on to all you know. Romney is being charged with racketeering for the Auto Bailout of Millions of OUR taxpayer money that he walked away with. CHECK IT OUT HERE:

https://t.co/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.truth-out.org%2Fbuzzflash%2Fcommentary%2Fitem%2F17613-uaw-charges-romney-with-profiteering-from-auto-bailout&sig=611403cd3d49160a9887a89574c62b4663ffb3de
 
 
+1 # utjimw 2012-11-01 13:52
Barbara check this out
http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2019582123_harropcolumntaggxml.html
 
 
+13 # Barbara K 2012-11-01 15:19
utjimw: Wow, I did check it out. There is no end to the money worshiping of Romneyhoods and their merry band of Liars, Crooks, and Thieves. We won't stand a chance, all he is after is money. I hope others check this site out. I forwarded to several friends. Hope you can get this out everywhere possible. We should have known. I had been wondering why he wanted to be President. It's all Power and Money to him. He doesn't give a crap about America or Americans, and his kid is just as greedy.

The snake is in the grass. Beware!
 
 
+56 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2012-11-01 07:45
Juan Cole, thank you for the above article. You hit the bulls-eye on all points! His LYING-TV-AD ATTACKING DOGS are FLOODING THE AIRWAVES with his lies...a prime example of how "A Fool & His Money Are Soon Parted!" We are "BOOTS ON THE GROUND" HER IN OHIO, for the Obama reelection campaign! WE ARE NOT FOOLED! In fact, Obama is LEADING quite handily on the projected early vote returns; but we are taking NOTHING FOR GRANTED!! GOP, MITT, and their minions are up to their dirty tricks, but they won't succeed because WE WILL NOT allow them to! My final thought: THE ONLY GOOD TEATHUGLICAN, IS AN OUT OF OFFICE & INTO PRISON TEATHUGLICAN!!! ! I am eager to see our fellow citizens file class action lawsuits against these vote suppressing criminals!!!

OBAMA - BIDEN 2012!!!! VOTE, AND GET OUT THE VOTE!!! LET'S "WE THE PEOPLE, RESTORE AMERICA TO GREATNESS!!!!
 
 
+18 # jky1291 2012-11-01 13:02
The citizens of this nation need to file a class action suit against the Supreme Court, because their Citizens United decision violated their Constitutional oath by declaring we are second class citizens whose opinions do not count and whose voice cannot be heard unless we are a millionaire. They do not have the right or the power to do that, and their actions necessitate that they resign or be removed for their violation of the Constitution and traitorous betrayal of our great nation. An investigation into undue corporate influence and conflicts of interest would most likely precipitate criminal proceedings against several justices. Such collusion is a disgrace and corporate criminals engaged is such activities should serve lengthy prison sentences for their reprehensible behavior.
 
 
-68 # Martintfre 2012-11-01 08:28
Capitalist dictatorship ???

So what is having the government take over failing car companies, banks, Insurance companies called?

Or Forcing ever single citizen to purchase a corporate product like health insurance --
 
 
+16 # sebastiangerard 2012-11-01 09:28
Quoting Martintfre:
Capitalist dictatorship ???

So what is having the government take over failing car companies, banks, Insurance companies called?

What planet are you living on? What government takeovers? Cite one, just one.

Or Forcing ever single citizen to purchase a corporate product like health insurance --


Now you turn around and make corporations the enemy? Do you have a clue what the mandate is about?
 
 
+32 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-11-01 09:44
So, do you prefer Plutocrat Capitalism? The Republican Party believes they are the government. Why do you need Democracy? Hell, Democracy, according to the Republicans justs "gets in the way." "We, the Republicans sold you sub-prime mortgages. What, you do not like sub-prime mortgages? You are simply ungrateful to us. We bought your home back for pennies on the dollar thru forclosure. Voter suppression laws are something we the Republicans are good at. And now you want to vote? We doused your home with termites. Showed up as the exterminators. You Democrats are simply ungrateful. You Democrats should get down on your hands and knees and thank us Republicans. What happened to the "good 'ol days" when people could show up at the emergency clinic, would not, did not buy medical insurance and free load off those who paid for health insurance? Does this sound like you, MARTINTFRE?
 
 
+21 # GreenBee 2012-11-01 10:55
Quoting Martintfre:
Capitalist dictatorship ???

So what is having the government take over failing car companies, banks, Insurance companies called?

Or Forcing ever single citizen to purchase a corporate product like health insurance --

Martnfre,

the government has not "taken over" the banks or the auto industry companies- it gave them a bailout - loans - which is exactly what Bain capital got from the FDIC ($10 million) in 2002. .some of which are being rapidly repaid. It would not have been necessary to do this but for Bush's "ownership society " agenda which fueled the mortgage mess . Bet you have conveniently forgotten that.

We already force people to buy auto insurance and right wingers are happy with that. Medical needs do not operate on a true supply and demand basis, because when you are critically ill you cannot wait until the prices come down to buy your medicine. people can't work and support themselves and pay taxes when they are disabled.
 
 
-6 # Martintfre 2012-11-03 06:08
//the government has not "taken over" the banks or the auto industry companies- it gave them a bailout -//

LOL

"Gave them" -- Oh soo generous -- government "Gave them" the equivalent of $50,000 per person. Look at Senator Saunders, Congressman Kucinnich and Paul's audit the fed bill that saw the bail outs were not the mere 0.7 trillion they told we the dopy tax payers -- it was more like 16.7 trillion.

Also this nonsense bailing out of businesses by low politicians in high places is not new -- Adam Smith in the Wealth of Nations discussed the same folly was going on hundreds of years ago. It did not work then and it is not working now.
 
 
0 # Michael Lee Bugg 2012-11-04 19:13
Martinfire, you are confused yet again. The bailout from the Treasury using tax dollars was only the $747 billion, or about 1/2 the direct cost of Bush's unjustified war in Iraq, or about 1/4 of the cost of both Iraq and Afghanistan! You got a problem with that? Most of the bailout money has been repaid. The $13 - $15 trillion additional dollars you refer to were almost zero interest loans to hundreds of banks, large and small, to keep them solvent so the federal government would not be forced to close them as required by long standing federal law. The problem with these lobes is that if they are not paid back taxpayers might be on the hook for them. This was not done by Obama but by the independent Fedral Reserve to prevent a far worse crisis than what we experienced! The other problem is that these banks are now being over cautious and are not making the loans that would get the economy going and give the banks the profits they need to repay the Fed loans. If you cannot understand this maybe your banker can explain it to you???
 
 
0 # FatEddie 2012-11-05 22:12
There was never a need to loan money to these banks; if they were insolvent, the law should have been followed, and the banks should've been closed down.

The other option would have been for the government to nationalize them, replace their management, write-down the losses, and privatize them again as regional banks. That would've preserved the banking system while removing the moral hazard of bailouts; furthermore, it would prevented "too big too fail" from emerging. Instead Bush, Obama, and Bernanke gave the banks whatever they wanted.

You know we live in a bizarre world when the GOP supports auditing the Fed and the so-called liberal and working class party supports central bank secrecy.
 
 
0 # Michael Lee Bugg 2012-11-06 12:45
Fat Eddie, in theory I agree with you and I have regretted many times that Obama didn't let the greedy bastards fail because that is the only way to stop them. At the time that was feared to have created widespread panic and a run on all the banks, many of which were already "under water" themselves! Instead they let the Fed quietly hand out at least $13 trillion in make believe money to prop them up. Besides, where would the federal government find enough competent bank managers to replace hundreds or thousands of incompetent ones we are still stuck with? This is why most people only screech about the Treasury funds because they still do not know about the Fed's far larger action, Fox News never told them!
 
 
0 # FatEddie 2012-11-06 22:37
Finding caretakers for nationalized banks isn't very difficult in a country of 300+ million people; remember many of the large banks would have been nationalized only for a short period -- to stabilize their finances -- they would then be either privatized again or liquidated if they were not capable to operate after writing down the bad assets.

I agree the Fed's 13 trillion is the real issue, and Obama could've have stopped that by supported the Fed audit bill instead of being silent and letting Reid kill it.

The idea that panic was major issue is wrong; the government can use measures to force banking holidays for instance. Also, direct government ownership for a time would've created confidence in the government, for they would have demonstrated that they were unwilling to create a moral hazard by bailing out large oligarchical firms.

There is nothing inherently wrong with a bank going out of business. FDIC exists to ensure that depositors are not screwed when a bank collapses.
 
 
0 # FatEddie 2012-11-05 22:15
If medical needs cannot be truly insured; i.e., they cannot be treated and manageable risks by a profit-seeking firm, why even have it?

The ACA largely created guaranteed profits for health insurers, device makers, and RX manufacturers. If anything, its OPEC for the healthcare industry.

It seems like in your attempt to defend the mandate, you argued against the idea of health insurance.
 
 
+13 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-11-01 11:51
MARTINTFRE, Of course you believe that by "virtue" of existencs, and by the will of God, there is only one party, Republican. That by "virtue" of existence, the Democratic party is simply the party of treason. The Democratic party, "of the people, for the people, by the people," as you see it, does not fit in with the, their Republican version of Communism. One party, Republican. All else is treason.
 
 
-6 # Martintfre 2012-11-03 06:09
Eldon speak only for your self
- you do not know what I know or believe pretending otherwise leads you to false conclusions
 
 
+2 # David Starr 2012-11-03 11:14
@Martintfre: So, are you the "keeper of the secret scrolls of political knowledge?" What else do you know besides not knowing the difference between government and corporation?
 
 
+3 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-11-02 07:46
To Martintfre: Everybody has an obligation to be a leader. Martintfre,"the re would not be enough areas to lead in." "Yes, there is. You could be a leader in mistakes." Martintfre, "why would I want ta do that?" "Well, you life would not be a complete disaster. You could alwys serve as a bad example for the rest of us."
 
 
+3 # giraffee2012 2012-11-03 05:45
Martintfre - turn off FOX - and don't quote their lies on this blog. Get real information b4 embarrassing yourself with the lies proffered by the lying liars.
 
 
+33 # TomDegan 2012-11-01 08:39
"Lies on Romney's scale do not simply show contempt for the intelligence of American voters. They show contempt for democracy, and display some of the features of capitalist dictatorship of a sort that was common in the late twentieth century."

No argument whatsoever. However their contempt for the intelligence of the American people is well-founded. Judging by our electoral history in the past forty-plus years, it's easy to believe that this is a nation of morons. Is it any wonder that we our the laughingstock of the western world? I ask you.

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan
 
 
+28 # reiverpacific 2012-11-01 08:42
Having lived in Franco's Spain, Suharto's Indonesia and Stroessner's Paraguay (the latter more of an extended visit but enough time to observe it's workings), I've felt the US drifting in this direction for some time.
You could "shop 'till you drooped" if you were one of the better off but get the the regime's crosshairs and you were in deep shit!
The Rethugs especially -and a few finks among the blue-dog dems- have been steering the Totalitarian -seeking bus for quite a while now with Rove and Norquist driver and conductor, and if the Koch's and their ilk -who to me actually seek the hereditary privileges and unquestionable absolute powers of a Monarchy- had their ways, it would take us all over the one-party cliff whilst they stood and laughed.
Send Twit to Paraguay, where he can live out his miserable, lying life in the Bush compound cut off from reality -oops, he's already there in his current mani -infestation.
 
 
+12 # jky1291 2012-11-01 14:17
Republicans are not insane to defeat President Obama because his policies failed. They are outraged that his policies prevented their 25% unemployment Depression that would enable them to buy up the rest of the country for 10 cents on the dollar. Don't believe me, believe the facts. Nearly every proposal to help those earning less than $250,000 per year has met nearly unanimous opposition from the Republicans, while nearly every Republican proposal would provide most of its benefits to the 1% only. They are more than perfectly willing to spend 4 - 6 billion dollars of price gouged consumers' money to buy this election for their puppet to reinstitute their failed policies, to insure the successful completion of their traitorous scheme. They have already extorted another $140 billion added to our national debt, with the extension of the 2003 Bush tax cuts for those earning over $250,000 per year since the 2010 election, by coercing those that their policies put out of work with fraudulent lending practices, phony securities' ratings, and illegal foreclosures. Why would anyone believe that a 1%er, who does not believe in government, has any incentive to improve conditions for the 99% by being elected to govern? In a single election the Republicans are determined to undo the results of the American Revolution and the Civil War by reestablishing the MONARCHY OF WEALTH in order to ENSLAVE US ALL!!!
 
 
+5 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-11-02 20:39
The Republicans have a plan. It's called, "someone must suffer so that another can live." The more the public suffers, the happier the Republicans are.
 
 
+31 # BradFromSalem 2012-11-01 08:55
I always thought that a Capitalist Dictatorship was another term for a Fascist state. Not that it matters much, since either way the Middle class is disappeared, the poor are enslaved, and the ultra rich live in a very similar style to royalty. But I digress from making my point.

Mitt Romney keeps telling us he has a plan. The plan he says will provide 12 Million jobs over the next 4 years with good pay too. He does not tell us how the plan is reconciled against his assertion that government cannot create jobs. If that is true, then he will not create any jobs. When asked to show us the spreadsheet with all the numbers he will not provide any constructive information, so we can evaluate hi assumptions.
When added to his outright lies, it really feels like he is hiding something. He knows exactly what he wants to do and the details that everyone else is talking about are irrelevant.
I don't want any surprises from the likes of Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan; and certainly not the other money laundering thieves that Mitt Romney is a part of.
 
 
+13 # Barbara K 2012-11-01 11:40
BFS: He has no plans. He needs to wait until he gets his instructions from the likes of Kochs and Roves. Romneyhood won't be running the government, he is just the hand with enough digits to hold a pen. HAVE YOU HEARD THE NEWS? He is being charged with Racketeering for his role in the Millions of OUR taxpayer dollars he made off with from Auto Bailouts he received. Here is the link, please check it out and forward to all you know. Thanks, we need to get this info out:

https://t.co/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.truth-out.org%2Fbuzzflash%2Fcommentary%2Fitem%2F17613-uaw-charges-romney-with-profiteering-from-auto-bailout&sig=611403cd3d49160a9887a89574c62b4663ffb3de
 
 
+3 # BradFromSalem 2012-11-02 07:05
Barbara,

That does not surprise me at all. If he wins (God forbid) will this be cause for impeachment or is Ryan his protection like Dan Quayle was Daddy Bush's protection? Just wondering.

Not to nitpick, but if Romney intends to hand the keys over to benefactors, then that is the plan he will not, can not, tell the American people about.
 
 
+20 # C.Gill 2012-11-01 08:56
The lies show that many people don't care, about truth because they are voting for Romney. It isn't contempt for the intelligence of the voter, it's reaching out to the unintelligent voter.
 
 
+29 # jmac9 2012-11-01 08:56
Republicans destroyed America.
8 years of Bush-Cheney Republican agenda drove the US in 14 Trillion dollar collapse.
Romney-Ryan are the same Republicans with the same disaster agenda.
With 9 million out of work, Republicans blocked unemployment benefits until they got useless tax breaks for the rich.
Republicans blocked assistance to our unemployed veterans.
Republicans kept the Bush-Cheney waste of giving your tax money to billionaire oil corporations.
Republicans kept the Bush-Cheney giving your tax money to send American jobs overseas.
to Republicans- profit is more important than you.
 
 
-26 # Martintfre 2012-11-01 09:32
Quoting jmac9:
Republicans destroyed America.
8 years of Bush-Cheney Republican agenda drove the US in 14 Trillion dollar collapse....


FYI -- In the unlikely case Facts mean anything Bush entered office with a $5.8 trillion dollar debt and left 8 years later with a $10.4 trillion dollar debt.

OBama added 5.8 trillion more in less then 4 years, Obama added more debt then Bush did in 8 years.
 
 
+14 # djgreeneyes 2012-11-01 10:40
Martintfre: When Bill Clinton left office and Bush took over, there was a rather large surplus, not a deficit. What are you talking about?
 
 
-7 # Martintfre 2012-11-01 17:06
Quoting djgreeneyes:
Martintfre: When Bill Clinton left office and Bush took over, there was a rather large surplus, not a deficit. What are you talking about?


What am I talking about -- the facts.

A surplus or defiCit is an annual thing, currently $16.1 trillion DEBT is the sum total of the surpluses and deficits over the years.
Make it a simple personal example::If one year your in the black (surplus) $100 billion but the next year your deficit is $300 billion -- your debt over the two years is -$200 billion .

If I make made payments on my credit cards say $500 a month and that would pay off a $5,500 debt principal, fees and interest in a year but I only pay $25 a month, the minimum charge...
So I claim a surplus of $475 a month, But what I owed - my debt - increased by $10/month --
So on a day to day basis I have a surplus of $475 a month - $5,700/year- but in long term I added $120 to the debt I owe so that now totals 5500+120=$5,620 .

That is how Clinton had a $0.230 trillion annual surplus his last few years yet the debt still rose from $5.5 to $5.8 trillion during his "surplus" years.

I hope that example explains it to some one here.
 
 
+3 # BradFromSalem 2012-11-01 19:19
And if Al Gore was allowed by the Supreme Court to take his lawful Oath of Office then we would not have embarked on a tax cut. A tax cut that was called a repayment to the wealthy for the tax increase they had to endure under Bill Clinton. Al Gore's economic plan was to begin paying down the debt with the surplus.

The Bush II (now irrevocable) reward to the wealthy began a spiral of diminishing INCOME, which lead to larger deficits, which as you describe accumulate into an increase in the debt.

In other words .... It is (selected) President George W. Bush's fault that we have increasing debt, and the first step to correcting that is to increase INCOME.
And yes, I blamed the current economic problems on two things, George W. Bush first, and austerity hawks (mostly Republican) second.

So, the plain truth is, the debt is a ghost that you cannot erase without putting more money into it than the interest due. There is a lot more to it than this simple, general discussion; but its the highlighted version and simple to understand.

Do you?
 
 
+4 # Charles3000 2012-11-02 04:43
Quoting Martintfre:
Quoting djgreeneyes:
Martintfre: When Bill Clinton left office and Bush took over, there was a rather large surplus, not a deficit. What are you talking about?


What am I talking about -- the facts.

A surplus or defiCit is an annual thing, currently $16.1 trillion DEBT is the sum total of the surpluses and deficits over the years.
Make it a simple personal example::If one year your in the black (surplus) $100 billion but the next year your deficit is $300 billion -- your debt over the two years is -$200 billion .

If I make made payments on my credit cards say $500 a month and that would pay off a $5,500 debt principal, fees and interest in a year but I only pay $25 a month, the minimum charge...
So I claim a surplus of $475 a month, But what I owed - my debt - increased by $10/month --
So on a day to day basis I have a surplus of $475 a month - $5,700/year- but in long term I added $120 to the debt I owe so that now totals 5500+120=$5,620.

That is how Clinton had a $0.230 trillion annual surplus his last few years yet the debt still rose from $5.5 to $5.8 trillion during his "surplus" years.

I hope that example explains it to some one here.

The is a very big difference between your debt and the governments debt. First, much of the government's debt is owed to itself. Second, the government has a printing press that prints legal money. You do not.
 
 
-4 # Martintfre 2012-11-02 08:48
//First, much of the government's debt is owed to itself.//

so the money came in -- SSA in particular, the government spent that money with the rest of general funds money and replaced the SSA Income with a 'special issue security' an IOU.

When that government debt it owes to it's self is to be called in -- exactly where is the government going to get that money ??? I ask ask as a nervous tax payer.
Answer :: two places
A) I will be taxed directly AGAIN and B)I will be taxed indirectly via inflation as the government prints what it does not dare take directly.
 
 
+15 # BradFromSalem 2012-11-01 10:54
Debt is irrelevant when nobody has a job. Nobody ever got laid off because the US Government was in debt.

The debt and its cousin, the deficit are distractions while we (including you, Mmartinfre) are robbed of our life savings and our freedoms by the money launderers; AKA the Financial sector. People who everyday make the mafia look tame since the mafia was ruthless, but not heartless.
 
 
+13 # barbie 2012-11-01 11:39
[ Nobody ever got laid off because the US Government was in debt.

The debt and its cousin, the deficit are distractions while we (including you, Mmartinfre) are robbed of our life savings and our freedoms by the money launderers; AKA the Financial sector. People who everyday make the mafia look tame since the mafia was ruthless, but not heartless.
We have just witnessed the BIGGEST TRANSFER OF WEALTH IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, bigger than all of the Dictatorships, Roman Empires, Banana Republic Takeovers, the banks made loans (they say) and sold them to our Institutions in amounts triple what the value of all of the assets in the Unite States were. No fraud?? come on, put some wall street crooks in jail
 
 
+2 # BradFromSalem 2012-11-01 19:21
Barbie,

Thanks for completing my post. I have often called the 2009 economic crash the all-time largest robbery.
 
 
-3 # Martintfre 2012-11-02 08:53
//come on, put some wall street crooks in jail//

So once you have incarcerated almost all of Obama's cabinet -- that sounds like a good start, then what?

By the way OBama has prosecuted zero Banksters -- he voted as senator to bail them out and as president invited them on to his staff and refused to even investigate them.
 
 
0 # FatEddie 2012-11-05 22:18
You forgot to add that his jobs "brain trust" is led by the CEO of GE -- a notorious outsourcer, and a company that has a negative corporate tax rate.

Obama was Wall Streets pick in '08. They figured McCain was going to go off his rocker at some point, so they hedged their bets, and they chose a "liberal" with an attractive background/bio.
 
 
+12 # Doll 2012-11-01 13:50
You are almost right. Before "Saint" Reagan, the deficit was in the billions of dollars. After the Reagan/Bush years it had ballooned into 5 Trillion dollars.

After the eight years of the Clinton administration, the deficit remained at about 5 trillion dollars - but he created a budget surplus which the Dems wanted to use to pay down the deficit but Repubs would have none of it. They wanted tax cuts for the wealthy instead.

Bush, part II, doubled that deficit and left two unfunded wars, and unfunded tax cuts.

The bills came due under the Obama administation. He did not cause it.

Once again I am reminded of the crawler on the humerous website, "These are Ironic Times". It said, after Obama was elected: "Black man gets worst job in the world".
 
 
+7 # bigkahuna671 2012-11-01 16:25
Doll, you are absolutely correct. Just as in the case of George H.W. Bush when the bills for Ronald Reagan's economic follies came tumbling in and creating a massive recession, Barack Obama came into office inheriting unfunded wars and tax cuts that had disrupted revenues. The fallacious BS that tax cuts for the rich create jobs has continued into this administration (maybe Obama's biggest mistake) and has not been proven to create one single job, much less the "millions" the 1% love to say they create. Job creation in the U.S. is primarily done by small businessmen who have a few hundred employees at best and not by the mega-businesses who pay poorly, attempt to destroy the unions, and outsource jobs to Asia and Latin America. Whether they will admit it or not, opposition to Obama is completely tied to the fact that he is an intelligent black man who on his worst day is still smarter than any 100 GOP nincompoops!!!
 
 
-3 # Martintfre 2012-11-03 06:13
//After the eight years of the Clinton administration, the deficit remained at about 5 trillion dollars - //

Clinton entered office with a $4 trillion dollar debt and left with a $5.8 trillion dollar debt.
 
 
+3 # utjimw 2012-11-01 13:59
Not if you include the Bill Clinton surpluses. Include those and the total turnaround under Bush was more that 10 billion
 
 
+3 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-11-02 08:13
The "Insurance Company" also known as the U.S. taxpayer found that the house was burning. Set on fire by the Republicans. Fire is now being put out, under control. Cost to the U.S. taxpayer "Insurance Company" to preserve the Capitalistic system? The Republicans say, "do whatever it takes, but we do not want to pay for any damage we created. We just want the good life. Thanks for putting out the fire. But don't raise our taxes to put the "U.S. Insurance company" back on its feet."
 
 
+2 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-11-02 15:08
To:Martintfre
Please remember that Bush funded two wars on the "under the table" credit card. Vastly expanded Medicare coverage but did not fund it. Reduced taxes while starting two wars. Drove the country into a recession so severe that it almost paralled the Great Depression. It is like Bush saying to the Mercedes Benz dealership, "thanks for the limo. my wife and I love it. Gotta go now. Send the bill to Obama after I'm down the road."
 
 
+4 # goodsensecynic 2012-11-01 09:13
In a world in which "history" is merely a convenience store in which to pick up cheap tricks with which to fool voters by claiming continuity with the "founders" or some such sentimental reimagination of the past, it may seem pointlessly pedantic to remind people of the meaning of words.

Still, calling right-wing ideologues "fascists" is really quite inaccurate. Though the specific story may be apocryphal, there is much truth to the notion that Benito Mussolini, not long before his downfall, lamented the fact that he'd called his ideology, his movement and his party fascist (in a failed symbolic attempt to link it to the mighty Roman Empire.

Instead, he wished he'd called it "corporatist," for his regime sought uniquely to unite the political authority of the state, the economic domination of capitalist firms and (to a slightly lesser extent) the moral authority of the Catholic Church) in a seamless hierarchical power structure to which the masses would owe allegiance.

In the USA, the Tea Party brown shirts, the Koch brothers and Fundamentalist Christians are mimicking Mussolini.

Mr. Obama and his associates have much to apologize for, and are largely indistinguishab le from the Republicans on far to many issues (they are too often corporatists with human faces) ... but they are the lesser evil.

Maybe one day Americans will have someone to vote FOR ... maybe
 
 
-43 # Martintfre 2012-11-01 09:14
Obama fascism in action

http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/11/will-a-swat-team-invade-your-business/

The same kind of raid on Gibson Guitar
 
 
+17 # sebastiangerard 2012-11-01 09:30
Now Obama is taking over guitars? I suggest you get some counseling, sir.
 
 
-11 # Martintfre 2012-11-01 13:12
Quoting sebastiangerard:
Now Obama is taking over guitars? I suggest you get some counseling, sir.


I suggest you get informed rather then knee jerk insult based upon ignorance.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903895904576542942027859286.html
 
 
+7 # AndreM5 2012-11-01 09:42
How many Republican swat team members do you think there are? Are ANY Dems?
 
 
-8 # Martintfre 2012-11-01 13:02
Quoting AndreM5:
How many Republican swat team members do you think there are? Are ANY Dems?


They are doing this at the decree of the democrats in power enforcing anti-business policies.
 
 
+1 # David Starr 2012-11-03 11:24
@Martintfre: Both support business-as-usu al, idelogically-sp eaking. Using the term "anti-business" is hardly accurate. It seems corporations in recent years have made record profits, regardless of a Romney and an Obama. Workers' wages haven't exactly broke that record. The gap has widened. And both Romney and Obama are, again ideologically-s peaking, on the 1% side, safe from the cliff, with workers holding onto a cliff 99% of the time on the other side.
 
 
+7 # in deo veritas 2012-11-01 10:27
Better get counseling before your Repuke hero gets in office because you won't be able to get any after that. The inmates will have taken over the asylum.
 
 
+10 # utjimw 2012-11-01 13:35
Matr "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis. Sounds Like slick Willard
 
 
+3 # reiverpacific 2012-11-01 19:44
Quoting Martintfre:
Obama fascism in action

http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/11/will-a-swat-team-invade-your-business/

The same kind of raid on Gibson Guitar

Your first thread is to "Political Outcasts", a right-of-even-L ibertarian/ Tea Party alarmist rag with a title font what looks to me like Nazi undertones; an aggressive, heavily black outlined, red fill which immediately calls the huge banners of the Third Reich to my mind. And it's just that; alarmist nonsense.
Re Gibson Guitars, Complex and multi-cultural in nature indeed and I'll come part-way with you; a meeting of lawyers with Gibson would have been a more productive and less heavy-handed approach. But no convictions and remedial action IS being taken -all on behalf of protection of the diminishing resources of rare hardwood species.
It's not even the US government that is raping the forests of Sumatra, India, the Amazon and what's left of the rest of the lungs of the planet. Private enterprise fueled by corrupt local governments in their pay is the true cause. I've seen it in action firsthand.
To call a right-of center President a "Fascist" is beyond even the realm of your normal "Spoiler" folly and infestation of this forum.
If Twit gets "selected" you'll likely get experience Fascism. Until then, belt up or move to Paraguay where you might get hired in the Bush compound as a lackey and yes-man.
I've seen fascism close up; what's YOUR experience?
 
 
-3 # Martintfre 2012-11-02 09:00
//To call a right-of center President [? who r U talking about??] a "Fascist" is beyond even the realm of your normal "Spoiler" folly and infestation of this forum. //

Fascism/corporatism is government corporate cooperative with government in charge -- it is good to have low friends in high political places with fascism.
Forcing every single citizen to purchase a corporate product -- like health insurance clearly is fascist,
taking over companies/indus tries is fascist (GM, AIG, ...) as is bailing them out and forcing the tax payers to pay for it.
 
 
+2 # reiverpacific 2012-11-02 10:45
Quoting Martintfre:


Fascism/corporatism is government corporate cooperative with government in charge -- it is good to have low friends in high political places with fascism.
Forcing every single citizen to purchase a corporate product -- like health insurance clearly is fascist,
taking over companies/industries is fascist (GM, AIG, ...) as is bailing them out and forcing the tax payers to pay for it.

Your trite definitions are as carefully massaged to suit whatever Libertarian/Rea ctionary agenda you are pushing. A large part of the current government is already in the hands of Corporations and their lobbyists and dictated thereby with a few brave souls in their way. What they are after is a one-party Totalitarian state. Twit will be right up their ally.
I've experienced real Fascist states first hand as described herein and am not going to repeat myself. But you probably disregard that too.
I guess you want us all reduced to a series of territories ruled by heavily armed war lords or cartels with the police in their pay and thrall. Your dream is a nightmare.
I'm done -give up. I refuse to rattle an intractable, blinkered, empty tin can any more. You must live in a very introspective and limited world and I rather pity you. You make me grateful for my travels and immersions in other cultures and societies including the aforementioned Fascist ones and many others in various stages of development.
Thanks for that.
 
 
-1 # Martintfre 2012-11-02 09:04
The law is not just for the little people - it is also for the government.

If you comprehend the Constitution, specifically the Bill of Rights that law tells the government -- not the people -- what it is NOT allowed to do.
 
 
+1 # David Starr 2012-11-03 11:33
@Martintfre: So, government has to abide by the law like the little people. Problem is, when greed is "good," it's unfortunate that government would be a part of violating economic rights, which should be included in the Bill of Rights.Governme nt in that sense, with corporations, etc, do not allow the abolishing the unequal relationship of capital over labor. It should be the other way around. Without labor, capital wouldn't exist.
 
 
-16 # MidwestTom 2012-11-01 09:14
Speaking of Dictatorships, do we really think that our companies will do better if their leaders are appointed by our government?
 
 
+18 # Luis Emilio 2012-11-01 09:58
Quoting MidwestTom:
Speaking of Dictatorships, do we really think that our companies will do better if their leaders are appointed by our government?

The companies will do better if they are appointed by their employees.
 
 
-7 # Martintfre 2012-11-01 14:17
//The companies will do better if they are appointed by their employees.//

Humm, maybe no -- I suggest spending a little time getting familiar with the story of the 20th century motor company. It is unlikely you will like the story, but I believe you will benefit by understanding the story.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCmJUobwKQk
 
 
+2 # Luis Emilio 2012-11-02 06:53
Martintfre: There are several points I can make about the youtube you cite:
1) In that video there is no data to verify the story. No names, no place no date, etc. So I suspect it is apocryphal.
2) What is proposed at the beginning of the video is very different from what I said: "The companies will do better if [the leaders] are appointed by their employees."
3) What is proposed at the beginning of the video is not socialism. It is what the classic Marxists called communism, and that is supposed to happen when humanity has progress a lot more than now.
 
 
-13 # Martintfre 2012-11-01 13:03
Quoting MidwestTom:
Speaking of Dictatorships, do we really think that our companies will do better if their leaders are appointed by our government?



Business will do better if the government is restrained to protecting persons from harming one another and otherwise staying the hell out of the way
 
 
+1 # reiverpacific 2012-11-03 09:20
Quoting MidwestTom:
Speaking of Dictatorships, do we really think that our companies will do better if their leaders are appointed by our government?

You've got in upside-down.
The US government are in a large part funded and appointed by "Companies" a.k.a. multi-national Corp's, the military-indust rial/correction al/complex, huge extraction polluters and fueled by their "Burrowers" (Lobbyists).
The Corporate State if you will, in which Twit would take us all faster down the already well-greased slide.
 
 
+15 # cordleycoit 2012-11-01 09:18
Since Romney has no substance no program no he is like Nixon with a secret plan. There is no plan just looting. Tell the people anything with a silver lining and they will believe or want to badly enough to suspend reality.The Romney people are running on fantasy and manufactured dreams.
 
 
0 # FatEddie 2012-11-05 22:20
Cordley,

Romney's fantasy is the only thing in his entire career that he's ever manufactured in America.
 
 
+11 # Banichi 2012-11-01 10:19
A very nice, well-thought-ou t article that says pretty well - in a chilling way - what the Romney campaign is about and aimed at.

Thank you Juan Cole!
 
 
+15 # in deo veritas 2012-11-01 10:21
It is great that Chrysler and GM have come out and slammed Romey for his outright lies about their companies. I hope everyone who owns one of their products will support them and vote against his party of liars and thieves. If he had been President there would have been no saving of the auto industry and we would all be driving foreign cars-maybe Chinese ones made in comopanies he owned or invested in. Every time Romney opens his trap there is a milignant runt named Goebbels who is thinking "that's my boy!"
 
 
+9 # in deo veritas 2012-11-01 10:25
Those of the "greatest generation" still surviving just ask yourselves "is what the GOP wants to do with this country what you risked everything for?". Your families should think about this too. I will assure you that it is NOT what I served to defend.
 
 
+10 # melody 2012-11-01 10:25
Excellent article Mr. Cole!
Having lived in Salt Lake City, I have had first hand experience(non" LDS"woman)in a Mormon run state. As an investigative journalist; married into(and divorced)from an active Mormon family and having worked in male run corporate climate, I can tell you first hand about the 'circle of communication'. They DO NOT "play by the rules", rarely speak the truth or circle the wagons with double speak. I observed how they ostracize women, people of color and people OUTSIDE "the church"... with a smile and a handshake. Business is an insider trait-- spawned by early teachings; pairing of boys-to-men sent on two year "missions" with intensive training to negotiate with non-believers; changing text to The Book of Mormon when being scrutinized for fiction; inclusion of main stream ideals to fit the times as validated by the church's 80 - 90+ year old President as the vision appears; to the hiding of original documents in a vault deep in the granite caves of Little Cottonwood Canyon (Utah). This is the tip of the iceberg (Global Warming?). That's another topic. The "religion" is a club for men with secrets beyond our understanding if we are not privileged to the rituals of their upbringing. Why has the press suppressed background information of inequality and how will a win for Romney change the world for the good if his heart beats to serve his church and his bank account?
 
 
+4 # barbie 2012-11-01 11:28
"... with a smile and a handshake. Business is an insider trait-- spawned by early teachings; pairing of boys sent on two year "missions" with intensive training to negotiate with non-believers; changing text to The Book of Mormon when being scrutinized for silly fiction; inclusion of main stream ideals to fit the times as validated by the church's 90+ year old President as he witnesses a vision; to the hiding of original documents in a vault deep in the granite caves of Little Cottonwood Canyon (Utah). This is the tip of the iceberg which is melting too fast from Global Warming... oh, what am I thinking? That's another topic. The "religion" is a club for men with secrets beyond our understanding if we are not privileged to the rituals of their upbringing. Why has the press suppressed background information of inequality and how will a win for Romney change the world for the good if his heart beats to serve his church and his bank account?[/quote
Williard Mitt Romney went to Paris for two years, what did he do in Paris?? he tried to get the Parisians to stop drinking wine, what a freaking joke. for what?? most of them are Catholics
 
 
0 # dovelane1 2012-11-03 20:45
And, apparently the French think of the Mormon religion as a cult, and they are generally not all that welcom there.

Radio talk show host Gordon Duff believes that Romney went to France to dodge the 'Nam draft. His father was leading nixon by 10 points in the Republican race to be their pres. candidate. Supposedly Romney was told that if he didn't leave the race, Mitt would be arrested and jailed as a draft-dodger. I haven't been able to confirm this yet, but, if true, this could be part of why Romney wants to be president.
 
 
+3 # bigkahuna671 2012-11-02 09:13
Right on, Melody. It's nothing but a cult in sheep's clothing. Speak to any former Mormon (and that includes one of the founder's descendants) and you'll find stories of male chauvinism and mysogynism. It's a cleaned-up, button-down white-shirt and tie, version of Scientology. Their beliefs that only they will make it to the true heaven (Calvin and Knox and the original Presbyterians must be rolling in their graves) and that after we die our immortal souls continue to "learn" that Mormonism is the one, true faith, thus giving them the right to baptize any and every one of us into their faith, regardless of how much we disdained their beliefs and opposed them, show their utter disregard for the truth and why Willard Romney can't even tell when he is lying because he's so used to doing it in defense of his "faith." As a Catholic, I feel contempt for any of my religion who actually support this man. For many of them, it's because bozos like Cardinal Dolan tell them they'll go to hell if they don't, so they line up. I am sorry, but if anyone goes to hell, it'll be Dolan for he doesn't live up to any of the values he's supposed to as expressed in the bible. He's never stood up for the poor and for immigrants, legal or otherwise. It's all about the $$ and that's how much of my church operates. That's why I don't claim to be Roman Catholic. If you really believe the bible, then believe it all and realize Romney violates all of its teachings...VOT E DEMOCRAT on Tuesday!!!
 
 
+8 # tswhiskers 2012-11-01 11:19
At last someone doesn't hesitate to use the words fascist and authoritarian in connection with Romney and Reps. I suspect Romney figures Reps. don't need or want a detailed platform; as long as he has a "plan" for the economy they're happy with that. cordleycoit says the Romney people are running on fantasy and the entire Rep. electorate seem to be running on fantasy too. So are some Dems who are impatient with Obama's inability to turn things around as fast as they think he should. Well people, democracy requires maturity of its electorate and by that I mean the ability to understand that most of the world's problems are complex and usually can't be solved according one person's timetable. We are so fortunate to have someone of Obama's intelligence and imagination as president right now. If anyone can think back to the primaries, they will remember what a weak field of candidates the Reps. offered the country and Romney was the best of a contemptible lot. Surely Obama is the only choice possible for anyone capable of rational thought and concern for the US.
 
 
+11 # barbie 2012-11-01 11:22
Especially there are a lot of racists who just want their white guy in office and they don't care what the hell he does, just get that BLACK man out. There are relatives of mine that haven't said it in those words, but I know they are prejudice, so I know there are a lot of racists out there, that don't really read a lot about what Mitt Romney has done during his career, but they just don't care because they don't like the black woman in the White House either.
 
 
+3 # BradFromSalem 2012-11-01 19:26
My favorites are the folks back in 2008 who voted for McCain and immediately made sure you knew that they weren't racist.
Every time I heard that, my first thought was, I didn't think you were a racist because you voted for McCain, but since you brought up the subject....
 
 
+8 # Floridatexan 2012-11-01 12:21
In Florida, the Romney campaign has mailed several flyers to seniors telling them that the Obama administration is cutting Medicare benefits. Mitt never met a lie or a dollar, not necessarily in that order, he didn't like. Who are these people who think he'll somehow save the economy and their jobs? Business experience? If you can call corporate raiding, leveraged buyouts and shipping jobs overseas business experience, then you really don't understand what business is, or why he's the antithesis of what our country needs.
 
 
+6 # David Starr 2012-11-01 12:53
Cole's term capitalist dictatorship does apply. Another way of saying it is dictatorship of the bourgoisie. Cole, however, seems to imply that capitalism, and its very nature, are still a viable ruling force. But it's the very nature of capitalism that makes it unreformable. It's not structured for democracy, whatever version. It's not structured to prioritize the rights of many who are essentially responsible for maintaining means of production, and without no ownership of what they themselves maintain. Keynesanism worked in limited form but that was still within the confines of capitalist rule. Years later, Friedmanism became the "darling" of economics. What is evident is a perpetual cycle of tinkering, reforms, boom, bust, lingering threats to the poor/workers' rights etc., but still not addressing capitalism's nature itself, i.e., the root of the problem. Nature-wise, capitalist rule is still capitalist rule, regarding of a "new and improved" veneer.
 
 
-9 # Martintfre 2012-11-01 13:21
the Title "Capitalist Dictatorship ..." proves the authors ignorance of the subject.

Capitalism is an economic system of individual PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.


A Dictatorship is the opposite of Private property -- well every one is the private property of the dictator.
 
 
+3 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-11-01 17:31
I'll believe that "heat does not melt ice" if you show me your grade school diploma.
 
 
+2 # Anarchist 23 2012-11-02 15:06
Quoting Martintfre:
the Title "Capitalist Dictatorship ..." proves the authors ignorance of the subject.

Capitalism is an economic system of individual PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.


A Dictatorship is the opposite of Private property -- well every one is the private property of the dictator.

Martinfre- Tell that to the property owners who are being arrested on their own property for protesting the Keystone Pipeline-by a trans-national corporation.Tel l that to citizens whose town and land have been opened to fracking and whose water is now on fire. You are allowed private property only until someone else wants it and then....
 
 
0 # FatEddie 2012-11-05 22:24
They don't mean actual property owners. Capitalists mean a system controlled by the owners of paper assets.

They couldn't care less about protecting a farmer's property rights when they stand to make a fortune off of created inflammable water in the Rust Belt.
 
 
+1 # David Starr 2012-11-03 11:48
@Martintfre: By its very nature, capitalism prioritizes private monopoly, and not necessarily property rights. Bourgois private property is where property is based on the rights of many being the "private "property" of the buyer, through economic inequality, the goal of erasing their work-related rights though they literally control production, and maintaining a worldwide imbalance of a few countries trying to dictate to many countries through, e.g., WTO, World Bank coercion, i.e., "austerity.
 
 
0 # FatEddie 2012-11-05 22:22
Martin,

A dictatorship is a political system ruled by one individual -- maybe a few -- and it has nothing to do with private property. Pinochet was a dictator, he respected property rights and ditto for Franco.

You are confusing economic systems and political systems.
 
 
+7 # utjimw 2012-11-01 13:25
These men .. Slick Willard and "the man that makes things up Ryan" lie to easily. It seems like it could be pathological. This is scary because they believe their lies.
 
 
+6 # Kootenay Coyote 2012-11-01 17:58
“I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China…”

Soooo. would that be the same Mitt Romney whose Bain Capital just a fortnight ago sold a prospering New England electronics business to China?
 
 
+5 # Big Jake 2012-11-02 02:45
The racism card is being effectively played here and it is real. The elites believe in their own superiority and overt inferiority of anyone with a darker skin then they have.
Poor Martin has drunk the Ayn Rand lunatic tea. Business, like men, need rules.
We are likely at a crossroads in our American experiment and the end result is an unknowable. However, we have the power, right, and duty to re-establish America as intended. The ability of whomever to become wealthy must be tempered with our disdain for doing so on the backs of our fellows. That has far too often been the case. The tea party fools are racist and about as patriotic as Quisling no matter what the think or declare. They represent to worst that America has to offer. Time for all of us to stand up for what we believe and their noise maching will simply be obliterated.
 

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