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Silver writes: "Mr. Romney clearly gained ground in the polls in the week or two after the Denver debate, putting himself in a much stronger overall position in the race. However, it seems that he is no longer doing so."

Mitt Romney only gained ground in one of eight national polls taken on Wednesday. (photo: Jim Young/Reuters)
Mitt Romney only gained ground in one of eight national polls taken on Wednesday. (photo: Jim Young/Reuters)


Romney's Momentum Seems to Have Stopped

By Nate Silver, The New York Times

25 October 12

 

he term "momentum" is used very often in political coverage - but reporters and analysts seldom pause to consider what it means.

Let me tell you what I think it ought to mean: that a body in motion tends to stay in motion. That is, it ought to imply that a candidate is gaining ground in the race - and, furthermore, that he is likely to continue to gain ground.

As a thesis or prediction about how polls behave, this notion is a bit dubious, especially in general elections. In races for the United States Senate, for instance, my research suggests that a candidate who gains ground in the polls in one month (say, from August to September) is no more likely to do so during the next one (from September to October). If anything, the candidate who gains ground in the polls in one month may be more likely to lose ground the next time around.

(Where might there be clearer evidence for momentum, as I've defined it? In primaries, especially when there are multiple candidates in the race and voters are behaving tactically in choosing among them. But there is little evidence of it in general elections.)

The way the term "momentum" is applied in practice by the news media, however, it usually refers only to the first part of the clause - meaning simply that a candidate has been gaining ground in the polls, whether or not he might continue to do so. (I've used this phrasing plenty of times myself, so I have no real basis to complain about it.)

But there are other times when the notion of momentum is behind the curve - as it probably now is if applied to Mitt Romney's polling.

Mr. Romney clearly gained ground in the polls in the week or two after the Denver debate, putting himself in a much stronger overall position in the race. However, it seems that he is no longer doing so.

Take Wednesday's national tracking polls, for instance. (There are now eight of them published each day.) Mr. Romney gained ground in just one of the polls, an online poll conducted for Reuters by the polling organization Ipsos. He lost ground in five others, with President Obama improving his standing instead in those surveys. On average, Mr. Obama gained about one point between the eight polls.

Smiley face

This is the closest that we've come in a week or so to one candidate clearly having "won" the day in the tracking polls - and it was Mr. Obama.

The trend could also be spurious. If the race is steady, it's not that hard for one candidate to gain ground in five of six polls (excluding the two that showed no movement on Wednesday) just based on chance alone.

What isn't very likely, however, is for one candidate to lose ground in five of six polls if the race is still moving toward him. In other words, we can debate whether Mr. Obama has a pinch of momentum or whether the race is instead flat, but it's improbable that Mr. Romney would have a day like this if he still had momentum.

The FiveThirtyEight model looks at a broader array of polls - including state polls - in order to gauge the overall trend in the race.

Our "now-cast" also finds a slightly favorable trend for Mr. Obama over the course of the past 10 days or so. Mr. Romney's position peaked in the "now-cast" on Friday, Oct. 12, at which point it estimated a virtual tie in the popular vote (Mr. Obama was the projected "winner" by 0.3 percentage points). As of Wednesday, however, Mr. Obama was 1.4 percentage points ahead in the "now-cast", meaning that he may have regained about 1 percentage point of the 4 points or so that he lost after Denver. Mr. Obama's chances of winning the Electoral College were up in the FiveThirtyEight forecast to 71 percent on Wednesday from 68.1 percent on Tuesday.

It's not yet clear how much of this, if any, has to do with the final presidential debate in Florida this Monday, which instant polls regarded Mr. Obama as having won. Instead, it's been more of a slow and unsteady trajectory for him, with Mr. Obama often taking two steps forward but then one step back. It's also not out of the question that the apparent trend just represents statistical noise.

At the same time, there is more reason to take a potential change in the polls seriously if it is precipitated by a news event like the debate. The tracking polls that were released on Wednesday contained only one full day of interviews that postdated the Florida debate. If the debate moved the needle toward Mr. Obama, it should become more apparent in the coming days.

The battleground state polls that came in on Wednesday were generally very close to our model's current projections. For instance, there were three Ohio polls published on Wednesday; one showed a tied race there, while the other two showed Mr. Obama ahead by margins of two and five points.That's pretty much what you'd expect to see out of a trio of Ohio polls if Mr. Obama's lead there were about two points, which is where our model now has it.

Some of the polls, especially the Time Magazine poll which had Mr. Obama five points ahead in Ohio, seemed to set off a lot of discussion on Twitter, as though people were surprised that Mr. Obama still held the lead there.

But these polls are really nothing new. Since the Denver debate, Mr. Obama has held the lead in 16 Ohio polls against 6 for Mr. Romney. In Nevada, Mr. Obama has had the lead in 11 polls, to Mr. Romney's 1. Mr. Obama has led in all polls of Wisconsin since the Denver debate, and he has had five poll leads in Iowa to one for Mr. Romney.

Part of the confusion (and part of the reason behind the perception that Mr. Romney is still gaining ground in the race) may be because of the headlines that accompany polls.

We're still getting some polls trickling in where the most recent comparison is to a poll conducted before the Denver debate. We should expect Mr. Romney to gain ground relative to a poll conducted before Denver. (Mr. Romney may have lost a point or so off his bounce, but he has clearly not lost all of it). But it isn't news when he does; Mr. Romney's Denver gains had long ago become apparent, and priced into the various polling averages and forecast models.

The question, rather, is whether Mr. Romney is gaining ground relative to the post-Denver polls - or if, as Wednesday's polls seemed to imply, the race instead may have ticked back slightly toward Mr. Obama.


 

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+104 # Kayjay 2012-10-25 12:08
Poll....schmoll s! All I care about is keeping Mittens' mitts off our White House furniture. Romney has a lot in common with Lance Armstrong, both will lie and cheat and say anything to get what THEY want. Follow Barbara's advice and vote ObamAgain!
 
 
+42 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-25 16:17
Do the polls suggest who will win or do the polls suggest the intelligence of the America people to choose what or who is best for them? Frankly, I think Obama is best. On the other hand, if my dog were also running, I would vote for my dog. I'm 71 years old. I have concluded that I like dogs better than politicians.
 
 
+16 # bmiluski 2012-10-26 06:48
Honey I'm only 65 and I like dogs better than people.
 
 
+1 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-26 10:47
I have ro be careful if I were to agree with you as regards all people. I'm married to a Chines lady who lives at this time in China. Now, except for my wife and you, I will agree with you. Regards, Eldon
 
 
+7 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-26 11:56
Emerson:"those whom we look upon with admiration look upon us with contempt."
When Willard was speaking to his wealthy base monitored by video and audio, we found Emerson was not just smoking weed.
 
 
-32 # jtatu 2012-10-26 07:14
And you want to return the unlawful, corrupt Obama administration to the White House? This administration is now asking defense contractors to violate/ignore the WARN Act, which Obama voted for as a Senator, and promising to reimburse them for the resulting significant liabilities. This is disgusting but consistent with the mendacity of this President and his band of outlaws.
 
 
+18 # rockieball 2012-10-26 10:45
Unlawful and corrupt surely you must be referring to the G.w. Bush administration and the lies about invading Iraq (WMD'S), the violation of human rights (TORTURE) war profiteering (Cheney and Halliburton, defrauding the government (good old Kenny Boy Lay), mismanagement in a natural crisis (Katrina). Or maybe it was Reagan and the Iran Contra, the savings and loan fraud and failure, the secret trip of old man Bush to Iran to hold the Hostages until after the elections and release them on Reagan's inaugural. Or was it Nixon and Watergate, the CREAP secret funding and account in Mexico, the taping inside the White House. Corruption in the Past Republican Administration' s seem to be the standard MOA. I know I know their was Clinton and the $50 million spent on his impeachment about a SPERM stain on a dress, when all it did was give Hillary grounds for divorce which she did not use. The only fault I find is Obama not allowing the Bush administration to be extradited to the Hague for war crimes. Hopefully in his next term.
 
 
-25 # jtatu 2012-10-26 11:37
Ah, yes Clinton. He was disbarred in Arkansas for lying under oath. And how about another of your heroes? Ted who simply walked away from vehicular homicide. This WARN thing would be a funny joke if it weren't the sad truth. And Obama wanted the notice to be 90 days in advance rather than 60. He will not tell us what he intends to do for the Russians until after the election for the same reason he wants the contractors to violate Federal law.
 
 
+20 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-26 10:56
You know, I'm not totally disagreeing with you. On the other hand, who invaded Iraq under false pretense? Doused Southern Iraq with nuclear ammunition, nuclear ammunition dust. Nuclear radiation got into the water supplies, nuclear dust carried by the winds as far away as the UK. 7-10 fold (not %) increase in cancer rates. Killed at least 1/2 million people mostly just to steal their oil. Bush and Cheney are laughing their way to the bank while returning soldiers are having babies born without limbs, eyes. And they laugh at people like you who supported them.
 
 
+7 # Cassandra2012 2012-10-26 14:44
What are you on? Why don't you stick to your trolling on no-fact GOP sites?
 
 
-12 # jtatu 2012-10-26 17:51
Can you deny what I said the administration is doing? You need to wake up and see the truth.
 
 
+3 # overanddone 2012-10-28 01:55
Forget the politics look at the man vote for Romney & your voting for a coward.
 
 
+82 # BradFromSalem 2012-10-25 12:12
Right before the first debate (seems like years!) I posited that the first debate would matter the least. It appears that I missed one factor, and that is this. There was a shitload of people that have a real hatred of President Obama. Whether its racism, a short attention span, blind religious fervor, or ignorance; it doesn't matter. These people were all just looking for a reason to vote for Mitt. He accomplished that in the first debate. They were not deciding WHO to vote for, they were deciding whether to vote.

I will leave it the Nate Silvers to calculate how many of those people would have not voted if the President more forcefully called out Romney's chicanery in the first debate.

But what was left behind was the true undecided. And their last memory of the debates was Barack Obama cleaning Mitt Romney's clock on both performance and on mastery of the facts.

I am pretty sure (blindly optimistic?) that this is where the momentum shift is coming from and if I am correct the shift will accelerate over the next week.

CAVEAT: If either candidate launches a successful October surprise, all bets are off.
 
 
+38 # Professorjane Gilgun 2012-10-25 15:47
I hope you're right. I will believe a majority of US voters have joined Mitt in his delusions if he wins. Maybe, just maybe, the voters will see through him and his lies.
 
 
+16 # MindDoc 2012-10-25 17:26
October's almost ended. For many of us, the "surprise" (unfortunately) was the 1st debate and the way that gave some juice to the 'leadership' debate. Facts have only marginally mattered, and the "legs" seem to attach to things like Looney-tunes quality 'thinking' about women and rights of "We the People". Instead it's all about buzzwords, hate, fear, and propaganda. Sad. I think the best shot for democracy and 'people power' is in painting the stark contrasts on things like healthcare, definition of "small business", fairness, "American values", history of America and the 'middle class', and all sorts of reality.

But if facts don't matter, as you say, "all bets are off".
 
 
+93 # Barbara K 2012-10-25 13:09
The more people learn about Romney, the less inviting he appears to be Presidential Material. He is a boss, not such a nice one either. He puts people out of their jobs and they lose all they had. He sends our jobs to foreign countries (not what a president should be doing). He cares now a whit about anyone who isn't on his level of wealth. The 47% of us don't matter and he will just forget about us. Those are words he said on the secret tape that managed to show us what Romney is really like. The mask was off. He is shown for the heartless, soulless bully he is. He was born wealthy and has spent his life in an Ivory Tower, he knows nothing about the rest of us and how we live on a daily basis. He just doesn't relate to us. He isn't even American enough to pay his darned taxes, for crying out loud. That is reason enough right there to send him packing. We pay more taxes than he does, and make very little money in comparison.

Obama/Biden 2012
The alternative is Liars, Crooks, and Thieves, and shown that over and over.
 
 
+42 # X Dane 2012-10-25 17:10
Barbara K.
I was never even dreaming about voting for Romney, but what made me dead certain that he should NEVER BE PRESIDENT, is the fact that he sends his money to several other countries.

He is betting AGAINST our country. If he REALLY loved it as he says he does, he would INVEST in one of a myriad of projects that need capital in order to move the country FORWARD. THAT might convince people that he really means all the lofty declaration of love for the country.

Instead he is not lifting A FINGER to keep Sensata (in Illinois) here. ( They are owned by Bain) The company is making great profits and 170 families depend on the work.....

I know he will say his money is in a blind trust, but....when he was running against Ted Kennedy, he smirked that you could easily circumvent that. He will make a bundle on the China move.

And he wants us to believe that HE will create 12 million jobs????....YEA H IN CHINA

Continued
 
 
+32 # X Dane 2012-10-25 17:29
Continued.
Since the countries we usually export our goods to, are not able to spend money right now. They are working at recovering from the mess we largely caused.

So what we SHOULD do is work hard to rebuild and expand our infrastructure, so we will be ready to pick up speed, when our customers are ready to buy from us again. It is ELEMENTARY WATSON.
There is SO MUCH to do. AND it would help the economy and get many off the list of the unemployed.

If Romney had invested in some big important project, he would have been a hero and probably a shoe in for president!! So I am glad he didn't. He stayed jerk.
 
 
+15 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-26 08:16
Bain is still selling us out but no Media attention Nit is still the major shareholder
 
 
+1 # Cassandra2012 2012-10-26 14:47
Agree, but it's 'shoo-in' just for the record.
 
 
+33 # Old Man 2012-10-25 17:30
Romney is a very shallow man if that, a person without regards for any person place or thing. We as a Nation can not let this happen again to us. He claims if Obama is given four more yrs. the nations debt will be at 20 trillion. If he is elected I expect we'll have a 30 trillion deficit.
The man if that's what you want to call him, scares the "shit" out of me, please pardon may language.
 
 
0 # Independentgal 2012-10-26 13:00
And haters.
 
 
+2 # Cassandra2012 2012-10-26 14:46
Yes, but this needs to be posted on GOP sites, not simply for preaching to the converted. Somebody please list urls for those sites here and I will contribute to bringing a few facts into their dreamland ...
 
 
+64 # margpark 2012-10-25 13:09
Probably not as many people watched the last debate but Obama was very presidential and knowledgeable and Romney kept saying "me,too" which may have distressed the tea party.
 
 
+37 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 14:43
67 million watched the first. 66 million watched the second. I think I heard about 55 million watched the third. In other words, the President still had plenty of time to bring out more ammo against moldable mitt.
 
 
+31 # Bill Clements 2012-10-25 14:57
Most of them are probably bright enough to know that this is just Romney trying to pick up the votes of moderate undecideds and women. At this point, I imagine that no matter how far right you are as a Republican, you're fine with Romney doing and saying whatever it takes to win. The bottom line for these people: just get Obama out of office!
 
 
+13 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-26 08:19
Any woman voting for the sleazes are repugnant. Same goes for Minorities voting for slave masters. Both very dumb
 
 
+11 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-26 08:18
I haven't seen Nit on as many programs including Leno as OBama and Michele O
that says a lot....
We will never get the racist vote but I hope the women they are beating..vote OB or I hate to see that person ever have a leg to stand on in court
 
 
+45 # fredboy 2012-10-25 13:11
Yes, a few of our Repug neighbors have actually pulled their heads from the buckets of water and BS and come up for air. When they listen--and few are able or willing to--to the facts, they reconsider their vote.
 
 
+2 # Phillybuster 2012-10-27 13:55
I guess you have to waterboard yourself in order to say with a straight face that Mitt is presidential material.
 
 
+44 # Corvette-Bob 2012-10-25 13:42
There are two features that I religiously follow on my computer. One is RSN and the other is Nate Silver's Forecast. Nate Silver's predictions is based not only on the polls but many other factors. I believe that based upon my study of his info that Pres Obama will be reelected based upon Obama carrying Ohio and Wis. I has been the only thing that has kept me alive since the first debate where Obama thru Romney a life preserver.
 
 
+22 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 14:42
I'll have to check that out. The one I rely on is www.electoral-vote.com. It averages all known polls for each state and gives pretty detailed analysis. It also has a daily blog about current trends I think is pretty informative. The guy who does it has a good track record. He's been doing it since 2004 and I think he's almost always right.
 
 
+6 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-26 08:23
Pa is supposedly OB Just so we get all the Rethugs out in the State, Iwill be happy...then goes Corbett
 
 
+5 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-26 08:22
I see Pa Women voters are not going R ...we can thank the others stupidity in telling us what we can do, but more so Gov Corbett and his Fracking. Women do not want to see their families dead, Governor Corbett wants to see his bank account grow.

I hope Pa stands tall. If Ohio doesn't, I would certainly be looking at the Voting Machines. in fact I would start NOW that goes for Libs, and Independents... your votes will not show either.
 
 
-1 # Cassandra2012 2012-10-26 14:49
threw?
 
 
+2 # Phillybuster 2012-10-27 14:00
I tried to religiously follow Mittkin's policy positions on my computer and my hard drive went into a perpetual loop that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates together couldn't stop.
 
 
+44 # grouchy 2012-10-25 13:55
A big problem in this stuff is that it's unlikely a whole lot of our citizens are capable of sorting out the lies from the truths. Perhaps a reward of the trend of our declining educational system which the Republicans would LOVE to turn over to the corporations--a nd we damn well know what they would then contribute to it!
 
 
-70 # edge 2012-10-25 14:30
I can, and you are a LIAR!
 
 
+33 # reiverpacific 2012-10-25 16:40
Quoting edge:
I can, and you are a LIAR!

Now there's a solid, logical and typically Reactionary statement in the name of debate for you!
I don't mind a bit of back and forth with somebody from the other side -that's healthy and sometimes revelatory- but it has to have substance and not be just a bit of infantile name-calling declamation.
RSN moderators take note; I've occasionally had a post omitted for a lot less than this; I may have been a bit strident or even pungent, as I tend to be sometimes but at least I was making valid argument in the process.
Remember a wise Frenchman who said "I disagree with what you say but will fight to the death for your right to say it"!
Come up with a valid response, discussion point or BELT UP!
 
 
+19 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 17:52
Hear! hear!

I know exactly what reiverpacific is talking about and I feel the same.
 
 
+9 # bmiluski 2012-10-26 06:56
That's such a typical republican neo-con reaction. I sometimes wonder if EDGE is just being paid to post stupidity like that.
 
 
+5 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-26 08:24
Personally I believe him to be a kid in school or drop out.
 
 
+35 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 13:56
We won't actually know how much the President was helped by the last debate until the beginning of next week at the earliest. These polls are mostly not conducted over the course of just one day. Most of them are about 5 days long. There probably aren't any significant polls out which were conducted completely after the last debate.

I'm wondering if his numbers will "suddenly" appear to shoot up in Monday's or Tuesday's headlines. We'll see.

Another thing that's pretty clear is that, once again, Rasmussen is the outlier. Their polls have averaged almost 2% lower for Obama than the average of all the other polls. By far, this sets them apart as the most different. Maybe Rasmussen is adjusting its polling procedures to account for the fact that a few percentage points are being stolen by destroyed voter registrations, voter intimidation, misleading billboards, and romney affiliated electronic voting machines.
 
 
+10 # bmiluski 2012-10-26 06:58
Your concerns are mine. I fear that if the election is very close the repugs can then steal it. After all, the romney family did own the company that makes the voting machines for Ohio. Why the democrates are not screaming about this is another concern of mine.
 
 
+8 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-26 08:27
Perhaps the best time legally to go after this point will be if problems are in elections polls.
I am waiting to hear how we can get our proof of vote. AFL-CIO says that legally we have the right to know how our vote is registered under the Right to Know Act Have any of you questioned your election board? Start today.
 
 
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-26 08:25
I believe too all the shows where he and his wife are being spoken to, will help.
I see no Nittens like previously.

Nit so far refuses to go to Letterman. I sure wish he would. Heck Trump was on last night...
 
 
-36 # MidwestDick 2012-10-25 14:32
William Hill, bookmaker, probably includes the possibility of electoral shenanigans. Here's their account.

"After the second debate, won by Obama on most scorecards, the incumbent's price was moved up to -$250, or 2-to-5.

The left-leaning media again declared Obama the winner of the third and final debate, which focused on foreign policy, but his odds remained the same. Romney is now 15-to-7, or +188 (bet $100 to win $188), to become the next president."
 
 
+16 # reiverpacific 2012-10-25 16:50
Quoting MidwestDick:
William Hill, bookmaker, probably includes the possibility of electoral shenanigans. Here's their account.

"After the second debate, won by Obama on most scorecards, the incumbent's price was moved up to -$250, or 2-to-5.

The left-leaning media again declared Obama the winner of the third and final debate, which focused on foreign policy, but his odds remained the same. Romney is now 15-to-7, or +188 (bet $100 to win $188), to become the next president."

What "Left-leaning media" would that be?
Although this isn't a horse-race (I'm an old turf betting type from UK days, quite successfully actually); it's of global concern, not just US but sadly, the reduction of the debates to two parties tied to Corporate interests makes it rather like a low-stakes bottom of the race card canter to a winning post without the stimulus of other horses to make the race more relevant and diverse.
But the "Liberal Press", or "Left-leaning media", as you so tritely put it, led I suppose by Rupert Muck-doc's Wall Street Tabloid, won't touch anything but the pre-scripted subject matter massaged by the participants in the "Beltway's got Talent" spectacles called debates.
You must be kiddin'!
 
 
0 # MidwestDick 2012-11-07 12:51
You make it sound like I said that. I was quoting.
Man, tap below the kneecap with that little rubber thing and boing! up goes the leg!
 
 
+12 # bmiluski 2012-10-26 07:00
What liberal media. Rupert Murdock own 93% of the countries media outlets. So I ask again.......wha t liberal media?
 
 
-21 # Human Right 2012-10-25 14:34
Golly, how exiting. Who will be the next to bend over for Bibi Netanyahu?
 
 
+7 # reiverpacific 2012-10-25 19:29
Quoting Human Right:
Golly, how exiting. Who will be the next to bend over for Bibi Netanyahu?

Eh?????? -Your point?
 
 
+6 # bmiluski 2012-10-26 07:00
Whaaaaat???
 
 
+35 # humanmancalvin 2012-10-25 14:41
I would bet the bank on Nate Silvers forecasts. The man has the golden system, is a proven winner picker. Hopefully there will be enough Republicans not willing to hold their noses to vote for Romney. Of course there remain the totally ignorant such as a close relative who believes he knows politics as well as I but of course all he spews are fox Non News talking points.
I live in Sarasota Florida, a wealthy community full of Baggers & I swear when Obama is granted 4 more years by we who are sane enough to vote for the man, I am going to make a sandwich board with "4 more years of sanity" & parade up & down Main Street just to watch & enjoy all the exploding heads.
 
 
+27 # X Dane 2012-10-25 17:50
humanmancalvin.
I love it. Do you know what I am looking forward to?? It is seeing the ugly mug of Adelson. He is spending close to 100 million dollars to beat Obama. I love to see him loose it and that almost goes double for Rove and the Koch bros.
I sure hope and pray that, that will happen.
 
 
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-26 08:31
However they will find ways to write it off, even though the IRS should be earmarking that this is Political Money Contributions not Charitable....
 
 
-2 # Cassandra2012 2012-10-26 14:52
lose it?
 
 
+26 # frank 2012-10-25 16:02
Massachusetts rejected Romney while governor, now for president – an omen?

People in Massachusetts know how Mitt Romney governs and most will not vote again him. Mitt Romney is consistently behind by a wide margin in Massachusetts polling. They even rejected him after he was governor for a few years.

Massachusetts voters reject their former governor for President
Polling reveals Massachusetts voters prefer Mr. Obama to Mr. Romney, 56% to 41%. http://electoral-vote.com/

62 percent of likely Massachusetts voters view Mr. Obama favorably and only 35% view Mr. Romney favorably. http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/10/president_barack_obama_holds_3.html

Rejection of Romney started while he was still governor
Early in his tenure as governor, Mr. Romney’s highest approval rating as governor was 66% (November 2003). Three years later, Mr. Romney’s approval rating dropped in half to only 34% (November 2006). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governorship_of_Mitt_Romney

“A March 2005 poll found that only 32 percent felt Romney should be re-elected if he ran for a second term as governor.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governorship_of_Mitt_Romney
 
 
+21 # wwway 2012-10-25 16:03
I used to think that the real true majority of citizens didn't embrace the right wing of religion and politics. In the last 30 years I've noticed a real dumbing down of American taste and expectations. The result is the close race and fewer and fewer number of swing states. The other problem is lact of citizen participation in every aspect of decision making. Are Americans just sleep walking?
At the park today a man commented on my bumper stickers. He'd been playing frizbe golf. He had no idea who Reed and Obama were. Said he'd "have to start paying attention." Climbed into a nice truck. Too busy making a living and playing? That describes most of my neighbors....sl eep walking.
 
 
+7 # bmiluski 2012-10-26 07:07
It helps when over 90% of the media outlets are owned by an uber-neo-con like Rupert Murdock who can spin the news whichever way he wants.
 
 
+6 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-26 08:33
Or block out
 
 
+13 # sameasiteverwas 2012-10-25 19:43
I, too, believe in Nate. The problem is, I see other factors that may take the race in another direction. First, how can we have an educated electorate? No Child Left Behind dumbed down a full decade of potential youthful voters, erasing their curiosity. The loss of local print media, taken over by conglomerates. The startling advocacy of lies and lying liars by right-leaning media, then repeated by supposedly "unbiased" media, until truth-in-report ing is a joke. Second, the nasty bag of tricks and cheats used by the GOP, from voter suppression attempts to cutting down early voting, to running compromised voting machinery left over in counties who can't afford new technology. The successful attack on ACORN and the stringent rules that left MANY more voter registration organizations -- and even high school gov't teachers -- unable to "legally" register new voters. Tactics of fear and intimidation with "True the Vote" lackeys trolling OUR polling places. This all seems part of a long-planned and carefully executed war on not just Democrats but democracy itself. Just like all this sudden "rape" controversy distracts from the fact that abortion is legal -- the question isn't, do you make an exception for rape or incest, but do you accept the law of the land?

It's all Happy Meals and reality TV -- bread and circuses for the masses who don't even bother to vote, and Kool-Aid for those who do...
 
 
+15 # ghostperson 2012-10-25 20:40
It boggles the mind to think that a man who sends American jobs offshore and who hides his money in foreign climes can even remotely be considered POTUS material. I am even more befuddled by the fact that ca. half the population doesn't find these factors offensive.

Too special to go to war to fight for his country a la Cheney, too special to be required to help build an economy domestically and too important, like Leona Helmsley, to have to pay taxes on all his earnings.

How are people not insulted to the fiber of their beings by Romney's arrogance and disdain for Americans and America?
 
 
+2 # LML 2012-10-27 00:21
A real pizzlement!!!
 
 
+6 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-26 08:38
I am hoping that his sleaziness in dealing with the Western Senator who see rape as God's will, shuts him down once and for all.
Not so much in the shiftless men who want women demeaned but that women would allow such a person to say such things. Then the Nit says he doesnot agree with the Senator's Statement but he his not pulling his endorsement.
The split tongue, jumping the circle I think Nit has to be removed as not mentally capable of running a flea circus not less the USA. How he got to be Gov of Mass still amazes me.

I believe an Independent test should be done esp in Ohio, of all Diebold's I want a receipt of my vote, we have that right...Right to Know ACT. If they cannot do that for us, then we have the right to a write in ....Stop deception now.
 
 
+4 # Corvette-Bob 2012-10-26 08:48
This election from beginning to the end is to get out the vote. The people are so polorized that no matter what either side says has virtually no effect upon the members of the other party. I am hoping that this last minute discussion of rape and how the Republicans would not throw the rapist into jail but instead would throw the victim into jail will motivate woman to vote. This is a comment that I wish alll woman to listen to and believe, "that a large portion of men want woman to be submissive and subjugated to men and if woman do not adhere to their wishes they want both the wrath of god and the government to come down upon the recalcitrant woman until she obeys the wishes of the man."
 
 
-9 # seeuingoa 2012-10-26 09:58
Of course Romney is a no go.
But so is Obama.

Tar sand pipeline: game over for the planet.

Kill list: game over for justice.

Indefinite detention: game over for
democracy.

And if you press the thumbs-down button
please inform me where I´m wrong.

Make this election a moral manifestation
and vote Green/Jill Stein and be able
to look your grandchildren in their eyes.
 
 
+4 # Cassandra2012 2012-10-26 14:53
You mean help the rombot win it?
 
 
+2 # WillD 2012-10-27 12:33
[Make this election a moral manifestation
and vote Green/Jill Stein and be able
to look your grandchildren in their eyes.

So, grandpa/ma, what did you do in 2012?
I was unable to distinguish between moral and strategic considerations and therefore I voted for a candidate which didn't stand any chance. Romney became president, the USA ended-up in a double dip-recession and became a fascist state.
But I have nothing to do with that.

Think a bit will you??
 
 
+1 # WillD 2012-10-27 12:50
I’ve been reading what the Green party and Stein wants and they make me laugh, or, rather, cry.
‘Stein’ seems to a be a phonetic - some word which constitutes the flip side to uninformed cynicism
- utopia. Since the 80s, pol. sci. research has shown that there is actually a big potential for the green parties to grow electorally in Europe - you can think of the reasons for that yourself. The thing is, this never crystallised and right now there is not one single country in the whole of Europe where the Greens remain a relevant political force. They have been, literally, decimated. This happened because, also a bit everywhere, at some point or another, the Greens decided to become a part of government (we typically have governments of 2, 3, 4 parties here). They all started with a long list of revindications - none of which they were able to translate into actual policy. The Greens have been supporting the most neo-liberal measures imaginable - under the motto ‘we are not left and we are not right, we are modern’ they have been fuctional to the elites, again a bit everywhere, to break down social rights and whatever you can name which is destructive for what Americans call the ‘middle class’ (everyone not homeless nor a filthy plutocratic). And everywhere the Greens have been flatly refusing to say anything remotely intelligent about the economy - it may not be their thing, but it’s the thing we can’t do without.
 
 
-1 # Corvette-Bob 2012-10-26 11:40
I totally agree regarding having more political parties then just Dems. and Rep. There are just to make diversions in our society and to expect us all to fit into just two parties seems unrealistic. Right now based upon where I am in my life a Green Party would make the most sense to me to support as a political party. If we had many viable parties it would force diversed groups to form goevernments together. At least is leads me to think about it since what we are doing does not seem to be leading to an effective government.
 
 
+5 # Billy Bob 2012-10-26 12:57
Republicans lead with a winner-take-all attitude when they win an election. It doesn't matter to them that they really only represent the will of about 20% of the electorate. We have a winner-take-all system. Baby bush put it well - after "winning" in 2000 by stealing the election and losing the popular vote. He said that he "planned on spending his capital".

Get it? He had NO mandate to do anything, but just because he was the guy in the White House, he acted as though he did. And you know what? He pretty much got his way for an entire 8 years.

There's no incentive or requirement for the winner in an election to share ANYTHING with ANYBODY in our system. If there are 10 viable parties and the nazi party wins with just 15% of the vote, guess what? We will have a 100% nazi regime in the White House.

Republicans know this, so they don't split their vote. What they do is challenge their "moderate" incumbents HARD from the far right. Occassionally, the righty gets nominated. Other than rant paul, they usually go on to lose the general election, because people THINK they want someone in the so called "center" in office.
 
 
+1 # Bill Clements 2012-10-26 14:20
Saw the latest poll numbers reported on HuffPost today, 10/26, and incomprehensibl y, they show Romney ahead? I really don't get it.
 
 
-5 # jtatu 2012-10-26 17:54
So what that you "don't get it." There must be a lot of people that do "get it." Thank God for that.
 
 
+1 # reiverpacific 2012-10-26 21:21
Quoting jtatu:
So what that you "don't get it." There must be a lot of people that do "get it." Thank God for that.

You're the livin' proof of the "don't get anything" theorem mate!
Poll's-schmolls!
At this point they are ALL fund-raising and/or alarmist fluff (I'm personally tired of getting multiple daily email messages from the Dem's, having identified my wife and I as minimal but still bleed-able contacts to "give a little") and I'm sure it's a barrage on the other side too.
If the money raised and spent on enriching the corporate owner-media to finance the blackmailing of the populace by careful and expensively-orc hestrated fear-mongering of "The other", were spread around the needy and the general well-being a bit, we might just have the beginnings of a sane social safety net by now.
But of course that wouldn't interest the likes of you!
 

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