Taibbi writes: "Biden did absolutely roll his eyes, snort, laugh derisively and throw his hands up in the air whenever Ryan trotted out his little beady-eyed BS-isms. But he should have! He was absolutely right to be doing it. We all should be doing it. That includes all of us in the media."
Joe Biden at the vice presidential debate in Danville, Kentucky. (photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images)
Joe Biden Was Right to Laugh
13 October 12
've never thought much of Joe Biden. But man, did he get it right in last night's debate, and not just because he walloped sniveling little Paul Ryan on the facts. What he got absolutely right, despite what you might read this morning (many outlets are criticizing Biden's dramatic excesses), was his tone. Biden did absolutely roll his eyes, snort, laugh derisively and throw his hands up in the air whenever Ryan trotted out his little beady-eyed BS-isms.
But he should have! He was absolutely right to be doing it. We all should be doing it. That includes all of us in the media, and not just paid obnoxious-opinion-merchants like me, but so-called "objective" news reporters as well. We should all be rolling our eyes, and scoffing and saying, "Come back when you're serious."
The load of balls that both Romney and Ryan have been pushing out there for this whole election season is simply not intellectually serious. Most of their platform isn't even a real platform, it's a fourth-rate parlor trick designed to paper over the real agenda - cutting taxes even more for super-rich dickheads like Mitt Romney, and getting everyone else to pay the bill.
The essence of the whole campaign for me was crystalized in the debate exchange over Romney's 20 percent tax-cut plan. ABC's Martha Raddatz turned the questioning to Ryan:
MS. RADDATZ: Well, let's talk about this 20 percent.
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: Well - (chuckles) -
MS. RADDATZ: You have refused yet again to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20 percent across-the-board tax cut. Do you actually have the specifics, or are you still working on it, and that's why you won't tell voters?
Here Ryan is presented with a simple yes-or-no answer. Since he doesn't have the answer, he immediately starts slithering and equivocating:
REP. RYAN: Different than this administration, we actually want to have big bipartisan agreements. You see, I understand the -
"We want to have bipartisan agreements?" This coming from a Republican congressman? These guys would stall a bill to name a post office after Shirley Temple. Biden, absolutely properly, chuckled and said, "That'd be a first for a Republican congress." Then Raddatz did exactly what any self-respecting journalist should do in that situation: she objected to being lied to, and yanked on the leash, forcing Ryan back to the question.
I'm convinced Raddatz wouldn't have pounced on Ryan if he hadn't trotted out this preposterous line about bipartisanism. Where does Ryan think we've all been living, Mars? It's one thing to pull that on some crowd of unsuspecting voters that hasn't followed politics that much and doesn't know the history. But any professional political journalist knows enough to know the abject comedy of that line. Still, Ryan was banking on the moderator not getting in the way and just letting him dump his trash on audiences. Instead, she aggressively grabbed Ryan by his puppy-scruff and pushed him back into the mess of his own proposal:
MS. RADDATZ: Do you have the specifics? Do you have the math? Do you know exactly what you're doing?
So now the ball is in Ryan's court. The answer he gives is astounding:
REP. RYAN: Look - look at what Mitt - look at what Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill did. They worked together out of a framework to lower tax rates and broaden the base, and they worked together to fix that. What we're saying is here's our framework: Lower tax rates 20 percent - we raise about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. We forgo about 1.1 trillion [dollars] in loopholes and deductions. And so what we're saying is deny those loopholes and deductions to higher-income taxpayers so that more of their income is taxed, which has a broader base of taxation -
Three things about this answer:
1) Ryan again here refuses to answer Raddatz's yes-or-no question about specifics. So now we know the answer: there are no specifics.
2) In lieu of those nonexistent specifics, what Ryan basically says is that he and Romney will set the framework - "Lower taxes by 20 percent" - and then they'll work out the specifics of how to get there with the Democrats in bipartisan fashion.
3) So essentially, Ryan has just admitted on national television that the Romney tax plan will be worked out after the election with the same Democrats from whom they are now, before the election, hiding any and all details.
So then, after that, there's this exchange.
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: Can I translate?
REP. RYAN: - so we can lower tax rates across the board. Now, here's why I'm saying this. What we're saying is here's a framework -
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: I hope I'm going to get time to respond to this.
REP. RYAN: We want to work with Congress -
MS. RADDATZ: I - you'll get time.
REP. RYAN: We want to work with Congress on how best to achieve this. That means successful - look -
MS. RADDATZ: No specifics, yeah.
Raddatz did exactly the right thing. She asked a yes-or-no question, had a politician try to run the lamest kind of game on her - and when he was done, she called him on it, coming right back to the question and translating for viewers: "No specifics."
Think about what that means. Mitt Romney is running for president - for president! - promising an across-the-board 20 percent tax cut without offering any details about how that's going to be paid for. Forget being battered by the press, he and his little sidekick Ryan should both be tossed off the playing field for even trying something like that. This race for the White House, this isn't some frat prank. This is serious. This is for grownups, for God's sake.
If you're going to offer an across-the-board 20 percent tax cut without explaining how it's getting paid for, hell, why stop there? Why not just offer everyone over 18 a 1965 Mustang? Why not promise every child a Zagnut and an Xbox, or compatible mates for every lonely single person?
Sometimes in journalism I think we take the objectivity thing too far. We think being fair means giving equal weight to both sides of every argument. But sometimes in the zeal to be objective, reporters get confused. You can't report the Obama tax plan and the Romney tax plan in the same way, because only one of them is really a plan, while the other is actually not a plan at all, but an electoral gambit.
The Romney/Ryan ticket decided, with incredible cynicism, that that they were going to promise this massive tax break, not explain how to pay for it, and then just hang on until election day, knowing that most of the political press would let it skate, or at least not take a dump all over it when explaining it to the public. Unchallenged, and treated in print and on the air as though it were the same thing as a real plan, a 20 percent tax cut sounds pretty good to most Americans. Hell, it sounds good to me.
The proper way to report such a tactic is to bring to your coverage exactly the feeling that Biden brought to the debate last night: contempt and amazement. We in the press should be offended by what Romney and Ryan are doing - we should take professional offense that any politician would try to whisk such a gigantic lie past us to our audiences, and we should take patriotic offense that anyone is trying to seize the White House using such transparently childish and dishonest tactics.
I've never been a Joe Biden fan. After four years, I'm not the biggest Barack Obama fan, either (and I'll get into why on that score later). But they're at least credible as big-league politicians. So much of the Romney/Ryan plan is so absurdly junior league, it's so far off-Broadway, it's practically in New Jersey.
Paul Ryan, a leader in the most aggressively and mindlessly partisan Congress in history, preaching bipartisanship? A private-equity parasite, Mitt Romney, who wants to enact a massive tax cut and pay for it without touching his own personal fortune-guaranteeing deduction, the carried-interest tax break - which keeps his own taxes below 15 percent despite incomes above $20 million?
The Romney/Ryan platform makes sense, and is not laughable, in only one context: if you're a multi-millionaire and you recognize that this is the only way to sell your agenda to mass audiences. But if you're not one of those rooting gazillionaires, you should laugh, you should roll your eyes, and it doesn't matter if you're the Vice President or an ABC reporter or a toll operator. You should laugh, because this stuff is a joke, and we shouldn't take it seriously.
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I just don't understand why anyone would vote for such a transparent pair of wing nuts as the Romney/Ryan bunch. No one in their right mind would buy into the Republican slight-of-hand, BS.
After all Rmoney wrote the 47% off himself, so them all of the 47% write him off.
Rudeness and interruption are clearly the Repug's regular tactics.
I agree with you totally..it seems to be acceptable if romney does it but not if Biden does it..
The Tar Sands issue hasn't even begun to be discussed (and won't be on the major media): the worst danger is that it goes over the worst fault/earthquak e zone in the U.S.: past Yellowstone, past the New Madrid fault system (hasn't anybody heard of 1811 and the Mississippi running backwards?), over such a long distance that it will be very vulnerable. And all because they have to send that stuff to Texas? It isn't cheaper to send it that distance, and it is far too vulnerable. Just wait until the water resources of the upper Ohio river valley and in North Dakota are ruined by fracking, and there is no more clean water west of the Appalachians or east of the Rockies.
Notice that the "American Gas Alliance" is a sponsor on NPR. I bet that quiets the reportage and discussionin that valuable medium.
I think it is time for the brave LONE STAR STATE to show courage and PROTEST. As long as we go like lams to the slaughter, that is exactly what we will be ...slaughtered.
The big oil and gas companies MUST be opposed, and I think if an angry uprising of citizens happen, the administration may be able to resist them too. The right wing will keep yelling that we need the jobs???
Do we need the jobs when we are killing ourselves and destroying the country in the process
Isn't on Majore Media now TS is already a fight in Texas and I do not understand why if we are not allowing it in from Canada...
OB and Democrats better get their commitment to Environment in line..no wonder Gore and others are not behind them.
We have four years now to get new Candidates but if the same people, esp undecided, third parties do what they did in these past four years....Well, perhaps we won't be here to have to worry about it.
Center has become virtual, these days.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
The alternative is disgracefully unbearable.
As most of us know, that's why financial support for alternative press sources like RSN is so important.
I totally agree with you, but some reporters are trying Soledad O'brien sure is and Andrea Mitchel is also showing a lot more courage lately. I think they realize that this is not an "exiting" election....If these two awful guys R+R were to win it would be the ruination of the country and us all.
VOTE DEMOCRATIC ALL THE WAY, so we can clean out some states too.
The alternative is glaringly destructive.
ProLifers are racists. ProLifers believe in War. ProLifers believe in Torture. ProLifers believe in Killing Creator's Creatures ex Buffalo, Wolves, Pa refuses to help the Brown Bat, and wildlife (discontinued research into affects of Fracking on Wildlife, and Water).
Please I want to know of one Positive thing ProLifer's Stand for? They hate Gays, everyone but themselves. ProLife has a whole new meaning since ReaGun and it has nothing to do with Postive Thinking Towards Life at all.
Rethugs, their Corporations, Churches, temples are Anti Life therefore Anti Choice.
Women are held even in the USA in low esteem. We are a hair above a slug. Look at the proof of women victimized...He ck I bet that 80% of Politicians' wives are abused or put in their place. I would not be surprised it Tea Party and Rethugs do not beat their wives. Obey and Serve is very real in Cult Religious communities, They are taught that women should be beaten, kept in their place. Mormons are not better in this backward belief. Women cannot have any say in their Faith. No allowance on Boards. I do not know if true for Evangelicals... but I have seen enough of them mistreat their wives and teach their sons that this is okay.
Pro Life whose?
That about sums it up..
That was scary to even realize how many evil minded people there are no less Stupid.
I know you have no clue about Catholics, but we do love our Church. We do not go changing Religions every time something is not the way we want it. We are working from within. May have taken a long time, but then anything good is worth doing well not sloppily.
And our Grandparents and Parents had the unquestioning Faith that did believe our Church, Priests etc could do no wrong but we never thought anyone who took the role of Leadership in Religion would...ooopps Were we wrong, every Faith and Nationality has been mistreating women and children since Creation or Evolution.
So want to smear the Church than go back in History because we the Roman Catholic Church didn't invent Rape, Sodomy, Murder. The 'dissatisfied wimps' that came after do not seem to be any better except in stealing money so they can be millionaires.
If you look around and talk to most of us Catholics, we all think people should mind their own business, look in mirrors on more subjects than what women decisions are. American Catholics have been a lot smarter, more open, definitely ahead of other Faiths.
I hope that all those children who cry rape really never were...but Shame on them if they weren't
Second, this is NOT about you, so get over yourself.
This is about bishops/pastors turning a blind eye to the abuse of children. Also, nuns are not allowed to say mass, and live in poorer conditions then the priests. Hell, priests wear a wedding ring made of gold, the nuns...a lesser metal...silver. Why, because they are considered 2nd class citizens. (I know this because I went through 8 years of Catholic Schools)..This is also called mysoginy. And YES, Catholics do change or abondon their religion. I did and I once wanted to become a nun. Then I woke up.
The Catholic Church leadership - please note that they are all men who denigrate anyone who is not just like them - have lost all credibility in the 21st Century. Heck, they weren't even credible in the 20th! The fact that they were so slow to look at pedophilia in their organization, their interest in increasing the wealth of their organization rather than serving the needs of the poor, their inhumanity to those who are "different" from them, all call to question their value in the American society. However, The VP has indicated that he follows the tenets of his religion on a personal level. He refuses to be a Taliban imposing his personal religious beliefs on those whose beliefs are just as valid but different from his is the height of the American value principle.
If Dumbledorf heard these Catholic principles being proposed by a follower of Islam he would probably be complaining about Sharia Law and terrorism. What hypocrisy!
I hope they take over Boards that govern the Schools since they have been the teachers and guiders along with the Brothers.
I went to Catholic School for 12 years, I knew in my own Family women who chose to do missionary work. But many thought they were doing the family a service like the men to military, many a woman joined convents when they should have been mothers. Thank you for giving me your lives, compassion you are very strong, secure Women.
I have community of whack jobs who keep their familys inbound on Church Property except to go to work. They beat the women and show the men child that this is what God told them to do. I forget what Faith they are but their Ministry certainly makes lots of money in those collection plates Millionaires....
Biden represents most Catholic Men who have grown up with their Faith, and Respect Women. Too bad you do not try to do the same... Their is nothing wrong with Islam anymore than any other Man made Religion. It got people thru very bad times in their personal lives.
I do not go to Church as it was against wishes of God/Jesus to have idols, Statues, I do not pay for Religion. I Believe because I know there is something greater than all of us...you who degrade Catholics are no better than Republicans. Racism isn't just about Color
Do you realize what Bishop had his Bishopric taken away in Jesus's time? That was Judas Iscariot. These Bishops take away the only support that the poor and widows have. Do they think that God doesn't see?
Man...created the Church in his own need Jesus had no need. Judas was used by the Israelites to deliver/snitch on some minor infraction Jesus did. therefore the Romans had to arrest him. Kept the blood of their own off their hands in case Jesus was actually a Prophet. DUH
You cannot read History now it seems you have less knowledge of Religion no less Catholocism
We should not care. Biden made a remark that means...Religio n and State have no business crossing into the other. With that neither have the right to Tell Women what to do. Biden is a Man who is comfortable with himself. I have always liked him, dissagreed at times but all in all this is JOE America, widower, single parent, worked his way up a ladder in order to represent the middle class and poor. God Bless him in all Faiths
Big-deal: let them eat communion crackers and shut up or pay taxes on their massive ill-begotten wealth like most churches with too much power and control over too many of the ignorant or cynical, and keep their mucky hands off the choir boys and acolytes.
Speakin' of cynical, I'll bet that they LOVE Scalia and Thomas, Opus Dei gang-bangers both and corruptly cynical as Hell!
Biden is like a babe in arms compared to that lot.
That's the unpleasant thing about facts, no matter how much you dislike them or deny them, they remain facts.
There are even women in Opus Dei. I suppose they must also be gang-bangers because you say so.
Catholics, nor any other religion, has any right to impose their narrow vieww and interpretations of reality on the entire US (or world) population.
Most religious people, no matter what the religion, have come to believe their belief system is perfect. When that happens, they usually can't admit to the possibility they might be wrong. Most of the time, their self-images are tied in with their belief system, so any threat to their belief system is seen as a threat to their self-image as well.
You have the same problem with EVERY zealot, with every person who believes they know the absolute truth, so don't try to give them any "facts." Most of the problems begin when people learn to believe their assumptions of opinions are facts. Facts can be proven where assumptions and opinions have yet to be proeven.
Tim Walz (Minnesota Dem district 1) on a recent debate says he has a sign on his desk that reads "When facts contradict ideologies, then ideologies need to change." Every politician, every relgious leader, every leader of any kind should have that sign on their desk.
Again, this won't work if the person believes their assumptions and opinions are facts.
I agree that Rand's philosophy, if you can even call that a philosophy is counter to every moral code ... I think that's why Republicans and criminals seem to like it so much.
That is why I really dislike the phony parts of these campaigns where they are always talking about the loves of their wives and children, their faith, and the shaking hands and slapping each other on the back like buddies.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/08/13/683291/why-religious-leaders-have-condemned-the-ryan-romney-budget/?mobile=nc
it may have more to do with pride of ownership, or co-dependence of one form or another.
I suspect that it bothers you because you know it's just another lie they are trying to foster. It's another case of style, not substance.
Priests, Bishops have no rights in telling anyone anything unless it is breaking the Laws of God. They can speak publicly on their Faith, and they can speak But unless a Parishoner committs Mortal Sin and is not Remorseful, the Church cannot tell anyone anything concerning their lives.
No one has anymore rights in the USA than anyone else.
Catholic Church can tell us what they would prefer us not to read, however, they cannot make us not read it.
Only people in the Dark Ages are right here in River City...
And this is relevant because . . . ?
The Catholic bishops don't get to pick the president of the United States, however much they think God gives them that right. They only get to cast their votes like other citizens. And if they try to bully ordinary Catholics politically, they deserve to be called on it.
they are no different than any pulpit, Temple stage they all think they should tell you who to vote for....that is where we must say yes dear and do what we know is best for USA
And in addition, on MSNBC, Lawrence O'Donnell interviewed a Mormon bigwig who criticized Romney's 47% comments harshly, and who was very clear about those comments not representing the tenets of the Mormon faith.
But i'truth, let's keep off the holy-roller stuff; it doesn't belong in any debate other than theological, which doesn't belong here.
If they want to intervene (and they do) tax the shit outa them -then we might get a Universal Health Care system worth fighting for!
Won't do that, love that money cause that is what Religion is Money, Money, Money
I realize that wouldn't always be right, but the percentages would certainly be on my side.
Most of the White Faiths were cry babies who left to have wives and multiple ones at that. Instead of standing like men, they ran. Instead of making the changes needed, they ran.
Not impressed with any phony Faith esp those who came after.
If I remember Churches, Temples et al were started by Men to keep dominance over the People so as to provide for themselves. HMMM similar to today. One difference is Priests do not get millions of dollars in salary. Nor do they have off shore bank accounts and many homes. They have the right to go to any Parish in the World and Rome...Vatican but they own them not.
How is your record as a human being? Perfect. I think not.
I do not know if they have kept this Dark Ages punishment but God and Jesus never told anyone to Punish anyone. They would take care of that.
Being chastised is usually done quietly with discretion so if either of these Public men were 'taken under the wing' so to speak...it would be none of our business!
Church is not so narrow minded to scorn any one who has been a leader in their community or life. Do not know if Ryan has earned that. But I know Joe has done many good works, and I know he has seen his share of sorrow. Perhaps it is time we busied ourselves in our own lives and making USA a better place ?
In the name o' the wee man, give us a bloody break -this a socio-political forum NOT a Theological one. Back on subject perrrleeze.
He would probably be very upset that he could have given the impression he did not love his Faith.
I have never met anyone no matter what Faith that wasn't a bore once they left the lower level. They then become no different than any ladder climber again...I see no difference in any Faith except perhaps Buddhists, Confucianism but most other Faiths are hypocritical.
Thank you for perceptively recognizing the difference between most religions and these philosophies of personal belief.
Biden shows courage and principles.
And the Catholic Church? It's three concerns? Continually enriching it's bulging coffers; limiting damage pedophilia has done to the church (NOT to the children); adamantly maintaining rigid authoritarian male rule in the church; denying women leadership and full participation.
Yet, it's only women of the church -- nuns -- who've demonstrated real leadership in fighting for the poor & victims of war, and shown a dedication to justice for everyone. They've also shown great courage in gently challenging the church on all it's failures.
That condemning for reading is crap. We wouldn't be allowed to go to College if we couldn't read books on that list. In fact I went to Catholic School and besides the porn we had to read many books that Church thought Blasphemous to the Church itself.
It was called learning to think and reason.
Other than that, you're absolutely right. The attacks on priests are very hypocritical coming from human beings in any walk of life, because this is a social sickness that permeats all of humanity. No one is immune. Not even protestants, atheists, or agnostics.
NO Pro Abortion, He just doesn't feel Church, Government or anyone has the right to enslave women. It is our Body as he said, and the call is between woman and doctor. Take it or leave it, but women are not going to take anyone, anywhere telling us anything. Time is coming that we are going to be a lot harder to contain than the Taliban.
I asked why. He said, "those nut job Christians may want to build A HUGE BON FIRE and roast me, eat me for real." I said, "well, you have a good point."
You do have a reliable source for that?
SO MUCH FOR THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
IN 2004 THE PRESENT POPE TRIED TO TELL BISHOPS TO EXCLUDE JOHN KERRY FROM THE CHURCH ALSO
God doesn't need a middle man. Churches are bureaucracies who as often as not are found wanting in the conduct of their earthly mission.
Good for Biden to have preserved respect for humanity in the face of man made rules.
Dumbledrorf: Did you listen to Biden? He is personally against arbortion. What he says he won't do is force his beleifs on others by using the government to push his religious beliefs. Might have something to do with a quaint document known as the Constitution. The fact that he is banned by the Bishops justs shows that the American Taliban is alive and well.
Vote DEM all the way or our future will be dumped into the hands of the dictators who own all the $$ (and therefore us)
Mittens/Ryan: "You can fool some of the people some of the time ...... not all of the time" and the VP debate shows the latter!
Good summary Matt - of the Rolling Stones!
Whom do you think OWNS these newspapers and TV?
As Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! said, when I saw her speak recently, the press corp covering the White House, for a long time, has traded access for acquiescence. Administrations , including Obama's, make it crystal clear that if the president is questioned too harshly, those who "dare" to will lose access to doing so. She said that press should be "cover power, not cover for power!"
I feel more strongly about this issue than any candidate or party. I have very low expectations of my elected/appoint ed officials in our current greed-based system. But, those who are, by design, supposed to be an extension of the citizenry - supposed to protect us from harm - but have become the fox watching the chicken coop? Become, as Amy said, "for the state, rather than the 4th Estate?" That should be of greatest concern to us.
Thank you for reminding us of this national tragedy, Matt Tabbai!
I don't know if it's better in England now or not, but this is not just an American issue.
The main problem is most people love the lie that saves their pride, but never the unflattering truth. What you end up with are people who will tell the part of the truth that makes them look good, or, at least doesn't make them look bad. But never the whole truth.
We have some excellent representatives of third Parties, now we need to stop the two party or straight voting. Only way these Players will get to learn, lead.
I don't know if he did, but he got so many of the important points out. The facts of Ryan asking for Stimulus money, while constantly saying that the Stimulus was such a waste and didn't work. And Biden telling everybody to check out Ryan's letters on his website.
He definitely got him in so many ways.
GREAT JOB BIDEN
Of course, that's just my opinion. I can't prove that any more than the conservative right can prove that ensoulment takes place at conception, or at 17 weeks when the fetus starts producing blood.
The main problem I have with Christian thinking is they want to make laws based on their opinions.
One of the hypocricies of the Repubs is they believe in the rights of the individual, UNTIL it comes to a woman having the right to control her own body, or until it comes to a person being gay, or until a person happens to be poor or disadvantaged, or what have you.
All discrimination is a form of xenophobia, which is the fear of or mistrust of anyone who is different from the prevailing norm.
All xenophobia leads to the exclusion of others, rather than the inclusion of others, based on the assumptions people have made about others.
I am sure they are patting him on his back too
A comment about the media which is totally unobjective:
I do not agree that Obama's speech was a total failure at all--yes his mood was
not jubilant, but how happy would anyone be to be debating the empty suit?
Romney stepped all over the moderator
and was obnoxiously aggressive the whole time. Did the so-called liberal media (NPR etc.) ever call him on that? I didn't hear it. Next to Romney any normal, sober being would look "depressed".
Now Biden, quick to call a lie a lie, is called aggressive.
Raddatz was wonderful.
Lehrer acted as though he has Alzheimer's at the first debate. I don't know if he does or not, but it is totally wrong for a moderator to let a discussion get so out of hand. He asked no hard questions of Romney, and let Romney talk way over his time. Yet, I felt that the President should have said much more: there was much more that should have, could have, been said. But nothing is ever gained by should've could've. I support Pres. Obama, but he needs to convince those who usually only see him through Fox glasses.
Had the President gotten obnoxious then we would have sniveled and heard worse about him. He acted like he should have. I wish he had spoken like Biden but perhaps now he will have better ammunition
I wish the news would bring up the latest Bain Destruction, or OB bring it up that 3500 more jobs gone, outsourced and a town/businesses going to be affected horrendously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5sxLapAts
Where was this complaint during the last debate? Oh yeah! You didn't mind romney doing it then, did you? In fact, you all thought it was pretty cute, huh!?!
what is sauce for the goose, should be sauce for the gander. Or the old idea about the pot calling the kettle black,
which is basically what Romney did after the v.p. debate, praising Ryan for being cool, calm, etc., and dumping on Joe for doing exactly the same thing he did.
But Joe never, never looked as grim or tight-mouthed as Romney did. Romney's smiles felt faked to me. Joe's smiles did not. They were just a pretty honest response to the b.s. Ryan was putting out.
I know I would get frustrated trying to deal with all the b.s. Romney and Ryan are spreading around. Responding as Joe did seems to me to be a good way to deal with that.
She kept PR pretty well to time. Both were very will within lines of time. I was impressed compared to Meth Head
Right on Biden! For all of us!!
Biden
Ryan reminds me of the old days too, when I used to trap "rodents & varmints" around the farm. He looks exactly like a Weasel!!!
Bet if NitMitt gets in lots of changes goin to happen.
Did you know Oprah is pro Romney....she gets Media Show number one, then two goes to Rush with Beck coming in a close third
Thought it couldn't get any worse....we will need underground....
Ryan's comparison to ANYONE in office working to reach a bipartisan agreement: they were already elected offficials; he and Romney are still running, and that's why they've got to show what's under the hood. A plan without details is only a goal.
Regarding Ryan's pathetic 'unelected judges' comment, you don't legislate rights, you just acknowledge them. That's why we have the Constitution and its Amendments.
Thanks Matt; I couldn't have said it better!
OB said he was not a good debater...
During earlier GOP primaries, audiences cheered about people dying without health insurance -- and wildly applauded poor children serve as janitors in their schools to "teach them a work ethic".
During the Biden/Ryan debate, Biden’s response to Romney/Ryan’s ever-changing policies & outright lies was brilliant, absolutely perfect, using laughter, humor and incredulous looks when Ryan lied. Brilliant!
Republicans criticized Biden’s performance, calling him ‘rude’’ and “disrespectful” .
I’ll bet Republicans – and even Democrats-- will think twice, before making fun of Joe, again!”
This is the same party that called Obama a 'liar" when he was addressing a Joint Session of Congress. The same party that depicted a monkey face for Obama's, countless times. Same party that's also referred to the first US black President in coded (and not so coded) racist terms for four years.
This same party then accuses Biden of being "disrespectful, rude and grumpy"???
Extremely well said.
Repugs know that most of their ideas have been as popular as maggot feces for the past 30 years, so the only option left to them is to hide them, disguise them, steal elections, or make up stuff about their opponents to offset the natural disadvantage they have with voters who aren't members of the undead.
However,Atwater recanted as he realized his end was near and would be meeting his maker in the short term. One must assume that he had taken stock of his life. It is unlikely that Rove has the ethics or moral insight to see what he does as wrong. People who cannot are usually personality disordered and are untreatable usually because they accept no role in their own downfall. Citizens United brought him back from disgrace because it gave him an opportunity to be a money broker a la Abramoff. He brokers money from secret donors and has a tax exemption for doing so.
The owners are not going to let mere underlings question their star protégés veracity.
I'm surprised they haven't tried to silence Taibbi already.
What we really need is a way to keep the riffraff out, and I don't mean the 99% by that.
Did you see the story a day or two ago of supposed Elizabeth Warren supported taunting some Scott Brown supporter for looking gay. This can always happen and it is what put away the Occupy movement.
Maybe at some point Democrats will start to see how important security is in politics, it sure as hell is used against us enough.
I wonder how they can sleep at night...alcohol and ambien?
Gambling on a false opportunity–Roc k, Paper, Scissor– is a school yard huckster's lunch money dupe.
Hello Romney, Ryan, Rove (Notice the three R profile on Romney's campaign logo, designed before Ryan was on board?), THE JIG IS UP!
Thank you Joe!
Furthermore, the onus is now on Obama to be just as well prepared as Romney; however, debating is not Obama's strong point and Romney is just better at it and better prepared. I heard also that Obama dislikes debate prep and perhaps even refused to prepare for it. On the other hand, Romney has more time and money to spend on this, but that isn't an excuse for Obama. If Obama is not up to the task, the Dems will take another dive.
If the press were as vigilant and persistent as Taibbi says they are not, then the outcome of the debates wouldn't matter as much. As far as I'm concerned, the GOP attempts to suppress the vote is quite enough to disqualify them. If Obama wins, and the composition of the Congress remains the same, then we will have four more years of deadlock.
I keep thinking that if Hillary had been elected, much of this tragi-comic parody of an election might not be happening.
You're right. Because Hillary is so much MORE like romney, so their wouldn't be much controversy between them. Maybe they'll be running mates in 2016.
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