Excerpt: "There is a deeply held Beltway myth of Paul Ryan, Man of Big Ideas, and it dies hard. But, if there is a just god in the universe, on Thursday night, it died a bloody death, was hurled into a pit, doused with quicklime, buried without ceremony, and the ground above it salted and strewn with garlic so that it never rises again."
Biden not only won over the audience, but he got under his opponent's skin. (photo: AP)
The Real Paul Ryan Is Bad for America
12 October 12
or the second time in as many presidential elections, Joseph Biden got to debate a young, attractive Republican candidate who was demonstrably less qualified to to be president than I am to be chairman of the World Bank. Joseph Biden is a very lucky man. The Great Political Matchmaker in the Sky keeps handing him people who are trying - and failing - to fight above their weight class, and he keeps blowing through what can now legitimately be called the Bum of the Quadrennium Club.
There is a deeply held Beltway myth of Paul Ryan, Man of Big Ideas, and it dies hard. But, if there is a just god in the universe, on Thursday night, it died a bloody death, was hurled into a pit, doused with quicklime, buried without ceremony, and the ground above it salted and strewn with garlic so that it never rises again. On foreign policy, Ryan occasionally rose, gasping, to the level of obvious neophyte. (He was more lost in Afghanistan than the Russian army ever was.) On domestic policy, his alleged wheelhouse, he was vague, untruthful, and he walked right into a haymaker he should have seen coming from a mile off, when he started bloviating about Biden's role in the "failed" stimulus program, only to have Biden slap him around with Ryan's own requests for stimulus money for his home district back in Wisconsin. He also made it quite clear that a Romney-Ryan White House will do everything it can to eliminate a woman's right to choose. This should make for some fine television commercials over the next few weeks.
(A brief note here about Martha Raddatz, who's an old pal from our baby journo days in Boston. She did a fine job holding feet to the fire until her last three questions. She asked the two men to define their Catholicism only through the issue of abortion, which is not only insulting, but also limited a more interesting line of inquiry, given the open opposition of the Catholic bishops to the zombie-eyed granny-starving that is the hallmark of Ryan's career. And that closing if-you-were-a-tree question was simply embarrassing.)
Moreover, the battering that Biden gave Ryan brought something into sharp relief that the Republican party has been fudging ever since Romney put the zombie-eyed granny-starver on the ticket - that, for his entire political career up to that point, on critical economic issues, Paul Ryan was an extremist even by the standards of the modern Republican party, which are considerably high indeed. He was for full privatization of Social Security. He was for the absolute elimination of the defined-benefit Medicare and Medicaid programs. Since being selected, it has become clear that the Romney people have forced him to soften these positions. (His stance on Medicare, for example, has evolved from Kill It Now to Arrange for Its Slow Death Later.) On Thursday night, Biden dragged out the old Paul Ryan - and, I would argue, the real Paul Ryan - and put him on display, and he made the new Paul Ryan own him. For one brief moment, he almost got Ryan to commit to Social Security privatization again. You could hear the screams from Romney headquarters all the way up the Charles to where I was watching.
Ryan got hit on the stimulus. He looked ridiculous trying to defend his refusal to specify what "loopholes" he and Romney plan to close to make the magic arithmetic in their tax plan work; Raddatz treed him completely on the mortgage-interest deduction, on the elimination of which neither Ryan nor his running mate will commit to a position. He looked even more ridiculous when Biden started pounding him on his career-long quest to end Medicare and throw old people onto the tender mercies of large insurance companies. Biden kept saying "vouchers" until Ryan, at one point, said, "It's not a voucher. A voucher is a check you get in your mailbox."
Wait. So if Paul Ryan gets his way, and Medicare as we know it gets eviscerated in favor of a pot full of offal on which Paul Ryan has slapped a label reading "Medicare," and my inadequate health-insurance allowance comes by e-mail, then it's not a "voucher" because it wasn't a check I got in the mail? And this is the issue on which Paul Ryan is supposed to be Genius on roller skates. This was humiliating enough, but when they started talking about war and peace, specifically in Afghanistan, Ryan looked like a toddler trying to cross the Hindu Kush.
He stammered. He vanished into his syntax. He gave Biden the chance to ask him if he preferred that American soldiers carry the fighting in the worst parts of the country rather than Afghan troops, a devastating comeback for which Ryan had no answer. He kept rambling about maintaining the country's "credibility" until, if you closed your eyes, he started to sound like Robert McNamara in 1965. And when Raddatz asked him, deftly, what would be worse, another war in the Middle East or Iran with a nuclear bomb, he leaped in precipitously with the latter, while about 75 percent of the country, including the two other people on stage with him, looked at Ryan as though he'd lost his mind. He did, however, demonstrate a certain talent for pronouncing long foreign words that his briefers had taught him on Tuesday. Also, he explained winter.
For years, Paul Ryan has been the shining champion of some really terrible ideas, and of a dystopian vision of the political commonwealth in which the poor starve and the elderly die ghastly, impoverished deaths, while all the essential elements of a permanent American oligarchy were put in place. This has garnered him loving notices from a lot of people who should have known better. The ideas he could explain were bad enough, but the profound ignorance he displayed on Thursday night on a number of important questions, including when and where the United States might wind up going to war next, and his blithe dismissal of any demand that he be specific about where he and his running mate are planning to take the country generally, was so positively terrifying that it calls into question Romney's judgment for putting this unqualified greenhorn on the ticket at all. Joe Biden laughed at him? Of course, he did. The only other option was to hand him a participation ribbon and take him to Burger King for lunch.
You know what's the difference between Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan?
Lipstick.
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Re Afghanistan, and the Middle East in general: heaven help us if he were to become President...he' d have to reinstitute the draft to put boots down on the ground in all the states he objects to...which might help with unemployment, but then who'd be left to flip our burgers? Probably the unwed mothers, wounded vets and elderly who lost their safety net.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/rob-zerban-paul-ryan_n_1942874.html
This was the funniest thing I've read today...the question would be where to..even the rocks on Mars would object to R/R arriving uninvited.
though i suspect i may get alot of thumbs downs for this one i think that if we are going to have a military that it needs to be one in which everyone serves (no exceptions) and everyone has an equal chance of winding up on the front lines. In that scenario i think the anti-war movement would be much bigger and sustainable and we would perhaps never have gone into Iraq in the first place and certainly would not have been involved in these wars for more than a decade.
As long as the (mostly white) middle class does not have to worry about their kids going off and dying (for what?) it will always be relatively easy for the ruling class to whip up the drums of war hysteria and engage in their imperial military escapades abroad.
Why, he wants our kids to be the cannon fodder. His kids being cannon fodder would be justice for a warmonger.
But I don't want any unnecessary war. I nearly died in one myself and don't actually want his kids there. Him though....
And it amazes me that when over 200 marines died in a terrorist bombing during Reagan's administration, the right wing gave him a pass.
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.
January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece attacked
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
attacked.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen attacked.
Reagan accepted BLAME!
The moron in the WH will never accept blame for anything because he is a LIAR!
Benghazi will be his Waterloo because he LIED, Joe continued the LIE last night and the PEOPLE will hold the LIARS in the WH accountable on election day.
Check out the tracking polls they are all moving against the Lefties
You should try hanging out with some real lefties for our critique of Obama is at least as harsh as yours but unlike yours ours is based on facts and an understanding that at the end of the day (despite their differences -- which is why i totally reject the stupid contention that there is no difference at all between the two) both are representatives of capital i.e., the ruling class who are screwing you over (unless you're one of them which i tend to doubt) as much as they are screwing me...only difference is i know that you're not the cause of the problem whereas "they" (through such dreck as fox news) have convinced you (as they always do...divide and conquer) that it is "the left" or the "the poor" or "blacks" or the "free loading 47%" that are the real enemy. As long as you keep buying into their nonsense you and the rest of us will continue to be screwed.
The difference between paul ryan and sarah palin........LI PSTICK.....LOL
Yep, he truly IS the pig.
In a group discussion the other day, Romney's peculiar affect and behavior were discussed--no one even bothered with his shape shifting because that is simply his unmoored-to-fix ed-principles self that will say ANYTHING and contradict ANYTHING he has already said repeatedly to be elected the first Mormon POTUS. One of the group, who has MS, said that he must have taken one of his wife's pills. The man who said it has MS. He explained that the eye blinking, manic behavior is a standard side effect of too much of Oxycontin so much so that the individual who was speaking doesn't complete taking the full prescribed amount until bedtime.
As for Biden acting like a hyena--says you.
Others of us watching the debate thought Biden was a breath of fresh air. He spoke about "facts"--yes, honest to God facts, something the spinmeisters on the right maul or evade at their own election.
Guess you didn't listen when Biden explained "we" [White House] did not know. The WH updated the public as they learned the facts.
Question: Why are you on this site, don't Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove have one that fits your needs?
Chaffetz and Issa are bad jokes.
If interrupting and shouting down your opponent is how we are going to conduct debates, why have them? Maybe we should have had a grade school teacher in there to stop the interruptions.
Palin's wide support demonstrated the "revenge of the C students" against what they see as the smart-ass, know-it-all A students. It's what those voters saw last night. Ryan stayed cool and in charge, and let Biden get pushy and loud.
Don't ever underestimate the willingness of most people to stay loyal to their man and their cause.
Crap, sorry about the caps. I didn't notice because I have to watch the keyboard. So in that one respect there are some wingnuts that are superior to me.
Great rhetoric! Now we all can help
by contributing to Rob Zerban's
campaign against Ryan in ! CD WI.
Zerban's web site is
http://www.robzerban.com/
None ot the publicity about Ryan
mentions Zerban; I wish they would.
He is a good moan.
Best wishes,
Alan McConnell, in Silver Spring MD
Thanks Joe, you're a class act!
Wow!! I wish I were able to phrase things like that. Truly a statement for the ages.
Oh, wait! I got confused. The VP debating a man who wants to take us back to the days of back alley abortions.
There, much better. Watching too much Lyin' Ryan started my brain to rot.
-William P. Barr who is on the Board for Time-Warner was appoionted by President George H.W. Bush to the U.S. Department of Justice as Assistant Attorney General
There's a lot more........... .......just do some research.
Everytime the main stream media screams about the liberal media, its just a ruse to get people to believe that the majority of the media is liberal. It is NOT. The majority (97%) is owned and run by conservatives.
When CBS had Murrow and Sevareid and Cronkite, when NBC had Huntley and Brinkley, no one woul go ont the air without multiple fact checkers and their goal was to present the truth on what ever side it landed. They weren't afraid to follow the stories and challenge the McCarthys regardless of what the management feared. Where are the true journalists, the real public servants, the true patriots today? Oh, I forgot- the real truth is on The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, and Bill Mahrer.
But since it wasn't we know that is probably the only true thing we will ever hear from his rotted lips.
But Ryan Incorporated Central, the constuction firm run by Ryan's cousins was awarded a $4.9 million Illinois highway project FUNDED IN PART BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
This must be the question in voters minds, is he qualified. Yeah....it's the lipstick.
It would all be very funny if these guys were not so vicious. They are vicious because they are ignorant.
I know, let's not have a debate but a vice presidential spelling bee. Let's see who can spell Potato. Or is that Potatoe?
Is it nuclear or nucular?
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