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Excerpt: "There is a deeply held Beltway myth of Paul Ryan, Man of Big Ideas, and it dies hard. But, if there is a just god in the universe, on Thursday night, it died a bloody death, was hurled into a pit, doused with quicklime, buried without ceremony, and the ground above it salted and strewn with garlic so that it never rises again."

Biden not only won over the audience, but he got under his opponent's skin. (photo: AP)
Biden not only won over the audience, but he got under his opponent's skin. (photo: AP)


The Real Paul Ryan Is Bad for America

By Charles Pierce, Esquire Magazine

12 October 12

 

or the second time in as many presidential elections, Joseph Biden got to debate a young, attractive Republican candidate who was demonstrably less qualified to to be president than I am to be chairman of the World Bank. Joseph Biden is a very lucky man. The Great Political Matchmaker in the Sky keeps handing him people who are trying - and failing - to fight above their weight class, and he keeps blowing through what can now legitimately be called the Bum of the Quadrennium Club.

There is a deeply held Beltway myth of Paul Ryan, Man of Big Ideas, and it dies hard. But, if there is a just god in the universe, on Thursday night, it died a bloody death, was hurled into a pit, doused with quicklime, buried without ceremony, and the ground above it salted and strewn with garlic so that it never rises again. On foreign policy, Ryan occasionally rose, gasping, to the level of obvious neophyte. (He was more lost in Afghanistan than the Russian army ever was.) On domestic policy, his alleged wheelhouse, he was vague, untruthful, and he walked right into a haymaker he should have seen coming from a mile off, when he started bloviating about Biden's role in the "failed" stimulus program, only to have Biden slap him around with Ryan's own requests for stimulus money for his home district back in Wisconsin. He also made it quite clear that a Romney-Ryan White House will do everything it can to eliminate a woman's right to choose. This should make for some fine television commercials over the next few weeks.

(A brief note here about Martha Raddatz, who's an old pal from our baby journo days in Boston. She did a fine job holding feet to the fire until her last three questions. She asked the two men to define their Catholicism only through the issue of abortion, which is not only insulting, but also limited a more interesting line of inquiry, given the open opposition of the Catholic bishops to the zombie-eyed granny-starving that is the hallmark of Ryan's career. And that closing if-you-were-a-tree question was simply embarrassing.)

Moreover, the battering that Biden gave Ryan brought something into sharp relief that the Republican party has been fudging ever since Romney put the zombie-eyed granny-starver on the ticket - that, for his entire political career up to that point, on critical economic issues, Paul Ryan was an extremist even by the standards of the modern Republican party, which are considerably high indeed. He was for full privatization of Social Security. He was for the absolute elimination of the defined-benefit Medicare and Medicaid programs. Since being selected, it has become clear that the Romney people have forced him to soften these positions. (His stance on Medicare, for example, has evolved from Kill It Now to Arrange for Its Slow Death Later.) On Thursday night, Biden dragged out the old Paul Ryan - and, I would argue, the real Paul Ryan - and put him on display, and he made the new Paul Ryan own him. For one brief moment, he almost got Ryan to commit to Social Security privatization again. You could hear the screams from Romney headquarters all the way up the Charles to where I was watching.

Ryan got hit on the stimulus. He looked ridiculous trying to defend his refusal to specify what "loopholes" he and Romney plan to close to make the magic arithmetic in their tax plan work; Raddatz treed him completely on the mortgage-interest deduction, on the elimination of which neither Ryan nor his running mate will commit to a position. He looked even more ridiculous when Biden started pounding him on his career-long quest to end Medicare and throw old people onto the tender mercies of large insurance companies. Biden kept saying "vouchers" until Ryan, at one point, said, "It's not a voucher. A voucher is a check you get in your mailbox."

Wait. So if Paul Ryan gets his way, and Medicare as we know it gets eviscerated in favor of a pot full of offal on which Paul Ryan has slapped a label reading "Medicare," and my inadequate health-insurance allowance comes by e-mail, then it's not a "voucher" because it wasn't a check I got in the mail? And this is the issue on which Paul Ryan is supposed to be Genius on roller skates. This was humiliating enough, but when they started talking about war and peace, specifically in Afghanistan, Ryan looked like a toddler trying to cross the Hindu Kush.

He stammered. He vanished into his syntax. He gave Biden the chance to ask him if he preferred that American soldiers carry the fighting in the worst parts of the country rather than Afghan troops, a devastating comeback for which Ryan had no answer. He kept rambling about maintaining the country's "credibility" until, if you closed your eyes, he started to sound like Robert McNamara in 1965. And when Raddatz asked him, deftly, what would be worse, another war in the Middle East or Iran with a nuclear bomb, he leaped in precipitously with the latter, while about 75 percent of the country, including the two other people on stage with him, looked at Ryan as though he'd lost his mind. He did, however, demonstrate a certain talent for pronouncing long foreign words that his briefers had taught him on Tuesday. Also, he explained winter.

For years, Paul Ryan has been the shining champion of some really terrible ideas, and of a dystopian vision of the political commonwealth in which the poor starve and the elderly die ghastly, impoverished deaths, while all the essential elements of a permanent American oligarchy were put in place. This has garnered him loving notices from a lot of people who should have known better. The ideas he could explain were bad enough, but the profound ignorance he displayed on Thursday night on a number of important questions, including when and where the United States might wind up going to war next, and his blithe dismissal of any demand that he be specific about where he and his running mate are planning to take the country generally, was so positively terrifying that it calls into question Romney's judgment for putting this unqualified greenhorn on the ticket at all. Joe Biden laughed at him? Of course, he did. The only other option was to hand him a participation ribbon and take him to Burger King for lunch.

You know what's the difference between Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan?

Lipstick.

See Also: Joltin' Joe Biden Wins the Bout

Biden Comes Out Swinging at Debate, Clashes With Ryan

 

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+126 # moonrigger 2012-10-12 06:56
Joe kicked butt, but then, Ryan made it pretty easy for him. Ryan couldn't substantiate much, falling back on the party line because he can't think on his feet. I about fell out of my chair while he acknowledged all the help he and his family got from the government he so loves to hate (him being a longtime beneficiary of our "socialist" system he loves to diss--maybe even more than the rest of us, since he's also being paid by us taxpayers. Yeah, ya gotta wonder why Romney selected this wunderkind. Why not choose some entrepreneur who borrowed $20K from his parents and became an American success story (you know, the solution Romney has put forth for getting all us moochers off the dole)>

Re Afghanistan, and the Middle East in general: heaven help us if he were to become President...he' d have to reinstitute the draft to put boots down on the ground in all the states he objects to...which might help with unemployment, but then who'd be left to flip our burgers? Probably the unwed mothers, wounded vets and elderly who lost their safety net.
 
 
+77 # portiz 2012-10-12 09:04
IMHO, Ryna not only blew any chance of being VP, but he probably also lost his race for reelection to Congress. I am hopeful that his Democratic challenger (Zerban) is preparing a whole set of ads that show what a war-mongering woman-hating grandma-starvin g jerk Ryan is!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/rob-zerban-paul-ryan_n_1942874.html
 
 
+60 # Barbara K 2012-10-12 10:10
Portiz: I'm with you. I hope he loses both races. He is horrible for this country and I don't know how he can have a budget that even the Catholic religion says was devastating for the country and still try to defend it. It is mean and demeaning to all Americans, especially the poor and unemployed thru no fault of their own. Ryan supported hundreds of billions of dollars worth of cuts to the embassies and then has the nerve to blame Obama for the killing of our Ambassador when he had cut his security. The Ambassador wasn't even at the Embassy. He cuts things that shouldn't be cut at all.
 
 
-89 # edge 2012-10-12 11:29
ABORT OBAMA retroactively on November 6th.
 
 
+49 # Billy Bob 2012-10-12 13:41
EJECT ROMNEY pre-emptively on November 6th.
 
 
+8 # tazia@aol.com 2012-10-12 21:38
Quoting Billy Bob:
EJECT ROMNEY pre-emptively on November 6th.

This was the funniest thing I've read today...the question would be where to..even the rocks on Mars would object to R/R arriving uninvited.
 
 
+2 # Barbara K 2012-10-14 10:45
tazia: lol. Mars sounds like the perfect place for them. They seem to be on another planet anyway. Good job, Billy Bob.
 
 
+2 # mdhome 2012-10-14 18:29
I sure hope he goes the way of palin.
 
 
+51 # dkonstruction 2012-10-12 10:53
Unfortunately, i think that the fact that we have a volunteer army (made up of mostly the poor and working class with no other options) is one of the reasons those in power have been able to get away with this new strategy of unending war.

though i suspect i may get alot of thumbs downs for this one i think that if we are going to have a military that it needs to be one in which everyone serves (no exceptions) and everyone has an equal chance of winding up on the front lines. In that scenario i think the anti-war movement would be much bigger and sustainable and we would perhaps never have gone into Iraq in the first place and certainly would not have been involved in these wars for more than a decade.

As long as the (mostly white) middle class does not have to worry about their kids going off and dying (for what?) it will always be relatively easy for the ruling class to whip up the drums of war hysteria and engage in their imperial military escapades abroad.
 
 
+16 # SpyderJan 2012-10-13 04:12
dkonstruction. You hit the nail on the head. As long as Romney's and other elite's sons and daughters never have to "worry" about going to war, then it is merely a game to them. I am a veteran, and I always believed that ending the draft was a bad idea. If you never have to put your hands in the fire, you won't care how big it gets.
 
 
+5 # bingers 2012-10-13 12:31
It's funny, when I was in the Army we had by far the highest average IQs by well over 10 points because of the draft. Now it's probably the Air Force. I'd love to see the Mittwit's kids as cannon fodder. It might teach him some respect for those who didn't have a $100 million trust fund. (The reason he can keep saying he only inherited $1 million)
 
 
0 # jtatu 2012-10-15 06:25
bingers, if you'd "love" to see anyone's kids as "cannon fodder," you are a very sick and dangerous person.
 
 
+1 # bingers 2012-10-15 14:54
Quoting jtatu:
bingers, if you'd "love" to see anyone's kids as "cannon fodder," you are a very sick and dangerous person.



Why, he wants our kids to be the cannon fodder. His kids being cannon fodder would be justice for a warmonger.

But I don't want any unnecessary war. I nearly died in one myself and don't actually want his kids there. Him though....
 
 
-173 # jtatu 2012-10-12 07:33
You must have seen a different "debate" than I. I saw the Vice President of the U.S. acting like a hyena. And saying that the Embassy in Libya had NOT asked for additional security. That's a whopper.
 
 
+90 # Brooklyn Girl 2012-10-12 07:52
Nobody cares about that. They care about jobs.

And it amazes me that when over 200 marines died in a terrorist bombing during Reagan's administration, the right wing gave him a pass.
 
 
+60 # bluesapphire48 2012-10-12 09:03
Not to mention three thousand people who died on 9/11.
 
 
+36 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2012-10-12 15:31
Not to mention this lineage of carnage IN ADDITION TO 9/11 that happened during the W. Bush Admin:

June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.

February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.

February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.

December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.

March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.

September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.

January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece attacked

July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
attacked.

March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.

September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen attacked.
 
 
+8 # SpyderJan 2012-10-13 04:18
Reductio. Thank you for the reminder, as sad as it is.
 
 
-99 # edge 2012-10-12 09:36
Quoting Brooklyn Girl:
Nobody cares about that. They care about jobs.

And it amazes me that when over 200 marines died in a terrorist bombing during Reagan's administration, the right wing gave him a pass.


Reagan accepted BLAME!

The moron in the WH will never accept blame for anything because he is a LIAR!

Benghazi will be his Waterloo because he LIED, Joe continued the LIE last night and the PEOPLE will hold the LIARS in the WH accountable on election day.

Check out the tracking polls they are all moving against the Lefties
 
 
+44 # dkonstruction 2012-10-12 11:02
How anyone could think that Obama is a "leftie" is beyond me. Us "lefties" wanted Universal, single-payer, publicly funded health care (the dreaded "gov't takeover) what we got was 30 million new "free market" guaranteed customers for the private, for profit health insurance companies. Us "lefties" wanted the big banks to be broken up (if not nationalized and their heads put in jail if not chopped off) what we got was a nearly $20 trillion dollar bailout. And that's just for starters (no room here to provide the full "leftie" critique).

You should try hanging out with some real lefties for our critique of Obama is at least as harsh as yours but unlike yours ours is based on facts and an understanding that at the end of the day (despite their differences -- which is why i totally reject the stupid contention that there is no difference at all between the two) both are representatives of capital i.e., the ruling class who are screwing you over (unless you're one of them which i tend to doubt) as much as they are screwing me...only difference is i know that you're not the cause of the problem whereas "they" (through such dreck as fox news) have convinced you (as they always do...divide and conquer) that it is "the left" or the "the poor" or "blacks" or the "free loading 47%" that are the real enemy. As long as you keep buying into their nonsense you and the rest of us will continue to be screwed.
 
 
+3 # bingers 2012-10-13 12:34
Obama's a basically good guy, but there's no question he's to the right of Eisenhower,
 
 
+14 # Sensible1 2012-10-12 12:53
I hate to disappoint you, but you have been lied to before, and it has severely altered your frontal lobe. when you get the help you need, you will be able to reason again and then you will know who the real liars are. Good luck.
 
 
+30 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2012-10-12 15:33
Reagan accepted blame? He ran like hell, thus teaching terrorists that terrorism works against the US if you kill a lot of people. THEN he invaded Granada in a despicable act of political grandstanding to cover up the embarrassment. HEY, WE WERE ALIVE THEN, we remember these things.
 
 
+3 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-12 22:38
Don't let facts disturn your rant.
 
 
+14 # Duster 2012-10-13 00:05
BTW, Dubbya never accepted responsibility for anything.
 
 
+6 # bingers 2012-10-13 12:33
Tracking polls don't mean rational people are being polled, and your post is positive proof you are one of the low information voters. Ryan lied, Biden told the truth.
 
 
+65 # bmiluski 2012-10-12 08:12
Joe Biden behaved how much of the country listening to lyin ryan spewing lies behaved. In fact, Joe Biden was probably more controled. Ryan's grin whenever he was called out for a lie/spin resembled a hyena.
 
 
+85 # bmiluski 2012-10-12 08:13
OMG.............
The difference between paul ryan and sarah palin........LI PSTICK.....LOL
 
 
+4 # bingers 2012-10-13 12:35
Quoting bmiluski:
OMG.............
The difference between paul ryan and sarah palin........LIPSTICK.....LOL



Yep, he truly IS the pig.
 
 
+4 # bigkahuna671 2012-10-13 13:21
Love it. Don't need to say anything else, just love it! You are so right...in fact, I suspect that Paul might even like Sarah's fashion sense.
 
 
+68 # juliajayne 2012-10-12 08:13
Seems that is the ONLY talking point you guys have. Pity for you and the country that the Republicans can't even offer a robust counter argument or any cogent ideas for how they would solve the country's problems. I also had to LOL when Ryan was talking about bipartisanship when he is a lock step zombie obstructionist. Btw, you did hear VP Biden detail how Paul Ryan voted against funding for more security, right?
 
 
+63 # ghostperson 2012-10-12 08:22
That is as opposed to Romney on whatever, motor mouthing through the moderator and opponent, interrupting both while wildly blinking his eyes and coming up with a definitive way to balance the budget: knock off a giant yellow bird beloved by children

In a group discussion the other day, Romney's peculiar affect and behavior were discussed--no one even bothered with his shape shifting because that is simply his unmoored-to-fix ed-principles self that will say ANYTHING and contradict ANYTHING he has already said repeatedly to be elected the first Mormon POTUS. One of the group, who has MS, said that he must have taken one of his wife's pills. The man who said it has MS. He explained that the eye blinking, manic behavior is a standard side effect of too much of Oxycontin so much so that the individual who was speaking doesn't complete taking the full prescribed amount until bedtime.

As for Biden acting like a hyena--says you.

Others of us watching the debate thought Biden was a breath of fresh air. He spoke about "facts"--yes, honest to God facts, something the spinmeisters on the right maul or evade at their own election.

Guess you didn't listen when Biden explained "we" [White House] did not know. The WH updated the public as they learned the facts.

Question: Why are you on this site, don't Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove have one that fits your needs?
 
 
+3 # bingers 2012-10-13 12:36
Can you say "Meth addict"?
 
 
+57 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2012-10-12 08:35
You forgot to mention that Biden nailed Ryan's hypocrisy on that subject when Biden pointed out that Ryan had voted to reduce the budget for embassy security. How could you have possibly failed to mention that? I think I know the answer — because you saw the debate as YOU wanted to see it, not as it was.
 
 
+55 # GeeRob 2012-10-12 09:10
The consulate was attacked, not the embassy. There is a big difference. Are you aware that the Republican Congress has whittled away at the security budget for the State Department for years?
Chaffetz and Issa are bad jokes.
 
 
+21 # Sensible1 2012-10-12 12:46
The embassy is located in Tripoli - the consulate in Benghazi. Now frame the question.
 
 
-19 # MidwestTom 2012-10-13 06:42
Misy true/false analyst suggest that Biden told far more lies than Ryan. I guess that most of the people watching really didn't care whether they spoke the truth or not. Such neutral news sources as my ISP, Windstream, listed five major untruths by Biden and one by Ryan.

If interrupting and shouting down your opponent is how we are going to conduct debates, why have them? Maybe we should have had a grade school teacher in there to stop the interruptions.
 
 
+9 # Cassandra2012 2012-10-13 11:48
You mean the way dishonest used-car salesman Romney bullied both Obama and Lehrer??
 
 
+27 # Corvette-Bob 2012-10-12 07:48
Wow, I did not put the debate so clearly into the Biden court. I am a dem. and after the Obama debate I have been in a fetal position. With Biden I felt his effort was adequate but not nearly as devastating as it could have been in light of all of the ammunition that was available. Biden should have been even more aggressive. He should have said when speaking regarding the budget cuts that even the nuns on the bus and bishops condemned his budget as being contrary to the teaching of the church. Also regarding economic plans he should have brought up the Romney's effort to dodge taxes by keeping money in tax havens and for Romney's failure to disclose his own tax returns and that they willl not show their taxes or tell you what they are going to do to your taxes. These points alone with have greatly helped the cause rather than smiling and laughing at Paul Ryan.
 
 
+29 # bmiluski 2012-10-12 09:29
So you didn't get the bit about how the 47% probably pays a higher % of taxes than mittens?
 
 
+19 # gardengirl12 2012-10-12 07:49
After talking with neighbors and friends who are low-information voters and/or stalwart Republicans, I think you over-estimate Biden's "win." They saw Ryan pretending to be earnest and authoritative, and they saw Biden smirking and laughing at him. They heard Biden call Ryan "my friend"and don't understand Congressional civilities. So what if Ryan didn't have all his facts - neither do they.

Palin's wide support demonstrated the "revenge of the C students" against what they see as the smart-ass, know-it-all A students. It's what those voters saw last night. Ryan stayed cool and in charge, and let Biden get pushy and loud.

Don't ever underestimate the willingness of most people to stay loyal to their man and their cause.
 
 
+39 # Texas Aggie 2012-10-12 08:52
Unfortunately you are right about loyalty trumping rationality.
 
 
+34 # bmiluski 2012-10-12 09:31
Those were NOT the people that Joe Biden was talking to. He understands that the republican party has become a cult and you just cannot talk to those people. The people he was talking to was the middle-class whom he understands better then social security raised lyin ryan.
 
 
+7 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-12 22:42
Speaking of Palin, don't underestimate the power of the mentally ill.
 
 
+2 # bingers 2012-10-13 12:44
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, IN FACT i WOULD SAY only LOW INFORMATION VOTERS WOULD EVER VOTE rEPUBLICAN

Crap, sorry about the caps. I didn't notice because I have to watch the keyboard. So in that one respect there are some wingnuts that are superior to me.
 
 
+38 # alan17b0 2012-10-12 07:49
"a bloody death, was hurled into a pit, doused with quicklime, buried without ceremony, and the ground above it salted and strewn with garlic so that it never rises again." ! ! ! !

Great rhetoric! Now we all can help
by contributing to Rob Zerban's
campaign against Ryan in ! CD WI.
Zerban's web site is
http://www.robzerban.com/
None ot the publicity about Ryan
mentions Zerban; I wish they would.
He is a good moan.

Best wishes,

Alan McConnell, in Silver Spring MD
 
 
0 # mdhome 2012-10-14 18:42
There is a deeply held Beltway myth of Paul Ryan, Man of Big Ideas, and it dies hard. But, if there is a just god in the universe, on Thursday night, it died a bloody death, was hurled into a pit, doused with quicklime, buried without ceremony, and the ground above it salted and strewn with garlic so that it never rises again.Yes, yes, yes yes if there is a god that will happen.
 
 
+41 # tswhiskers 2012-10-12 08:00
Now, if only Obama can learn fron Joe's example and call Romney on every mistake and every so-called moderate position he tries to take, then if people are paying attention Obama should win. In foreign policy, Ryan showed a good working knowledge of foreign place names but not so much knowledge of the places themselves. It's pretty plain that neither he nor Romney has any business managing foreign policy for this country. But I'm sure that the Puppeteers in Big Bus. will be glad to manage it for them.
 
 
+69 # genierae 2012-10-12 08:06
Joe Biden has been ridiculed and slandered by the right-wing media, (which now includes CNN), for decades, and so he knows how to take punches. We saw last night his excellent ability to throw them. I enjoyed the debate immensely, for once the truth was allowed equal time. Ryan tried to bob and weave, but couldn't evade the facts, courtesy of Joe. Now we witness the morning-after spinning, and downright lying by the right-wing media, trying to erase Ryan's miserable performance. The false CNN poll saying that Ryan was the winner is proof that they have lost all credibility. They have joined FOX News in the ranks of the infamous. And to think they used to be a real news outlet that was respected by all. What a comedown!

Thanks Joe, you're a class act!
 
 
+44 # Human Right 2012-10-12 08:14
Ryan is about a can short of a six pack and that can be easily seen by somebody with average intellect. However, nobody ever accused the American public of having "average or above" intellect.
 
 
+24 # CAMUS1111 2012-10-12 08:34
Lyin' Ryan looked like a memeber of the Hitler youth group [next time he should dye his hair blonde]. I particularly enjoyed the bit at the end where he sang a rousing rendition of "Deutschland Uber Alles"--very convincing.
 
 
+26 # bmiluski 2012-10-12 09:34
Actually he looks like one of the kids in "The Boys from Brazil" which was a movie about Hitler clones in Brazil.
 
 
+26 # Texas Aggie 2012-10-12 08:51
" if there is a just god in the universe, on Thursday night, it died a bloody death, was hurled into a pit, doused with quicklime, buried without ceremony, and the ground above it salted and strewn with garlic so that it never rises again."

Wow!! I wish I were able to phrase things like that. Truly a statement for the ages.
 
 
+53 # bluesapphire48 2012-10-12 08:58
I have to say I think it was a little unfair. A man who had lunch with Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill debating some high school kid in sneakers.
Oh, wait! I got confused. The VP debating a man who wants to take us back to the days of back alley abortions.
There, much better. Watching too much Lyin' Ryan started my brain to rot.
 
 
+19 # Fraenkel.1 2012-10-12 08:58
My take. Romney played the fool until last week's debate to lull the Democrats into a false sense of security. The media gave the win to Romney for his entertainment value even though what he said didn't make sense. Today CNN preferred Ryan but this time not for his entertainment value. You can see where CNN stands. Maybe we don't need all this commentary. Wait for the historians. make up your own minds.
 
 
+31 # bmiluski 2012-10-12 09:49
Well duh.........In 2005, Time Warner was among 53 entities that contributed the maximum of $250,000 to the second inauguration of President George W. Bush
-William P. Barr who is on the Board for Time-Warner was appoionted by President George H.W. Bush to the U.S. Department of Justice as Assistant Attorney General
There's a lot more........... .......just do some research.
Everytime the main stream media screams about the liberal media, its just a ruse to get people to believe that the majority of the media is liberal. It is NOT. The majority (97%) is owned and run by conservatives.
 
 
+2 # Psyanp13 2012-10-14 16:12
[quote name="Fraenkel. 1Today CNN preferred Ryan but this time not for his entertainment value. You can see where CNN stands. Maybe we don't need all this commentary. Wait for the historians. make up your own minds.
When CBS had Murrow and Sevareid and Cronkite, when NBC had Huntley and Brinkley, no one woul go ont the air without multiple fact checkers and their goal was to present the truth on what ever side it landed. They weren't afraid to follow the stories and challenge the McCarthys regardless of what the management feared. Where are the true journalists, the real public servants, the true patriots today? Oh, I forgot- the real truth is on The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, and Bill Mahrer.
 
 
+38 # Luis Emilio 2012-10-12 09:23
What I found to be the biggest hypocrisy from Ryan was his attempt to justify the 47% claim of Romney as a slip pf tongue. That cannot be a slip of tongue, if you use that claim in a well articulated argument for his (at that time) poor performance.
 
 
+1 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-12 22:46
A "slip of the tongue" if the comment was completely taken out on context.
 
 
+1 # bingers 2012-10-13 12:47
Quoting Eldon J. Bloedorn:
A "slip of the tongue" if the comment was completely taken out on context.


But since it wasn't we know that is probably the only true thing we will ever hear from his rotted lips.
 
 
+27 # cherylpetro 2012-10-12 10:33
Ryan, it looks like your dark heart, and Ayn Rand let you down! Let's keep it that way! We don't need your Rand brand selfishness, and hatred of the American people, anywhere near our government!Pack up your droopy dog eyes, and your Eddie Munster haircut, and LEAVE US ALONE!
 
 
+31 # bmiluski 2012-10-12 11:15
In his hometown of Janesville, Wisonsin, Ryan said "a lot of good happens without government commanding it, directing it or claiming credit for it".
But Ryan Incorporated Central, the constuction firm run by Ryan's cousins was awarded a $4.9 million Illinois highway project FUNDED IN PART BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
 
 
+25 # Susan1989 2012-10-12 11:25
Should the Republicans get us into another war I expect to see Romneys sonand Ryan in uniform.
 
 
+4 # bigkahuna671 2012-10-13 12:41
Susan, don't hold your breath or you'll end up turning blue. No Romney in the past 100+ years has served in the U.S. military. After all, when you have the excuse of "I have to serve on my mission," why should you? Why is it that Mormon athletes can take a two-year mission to get bigger, stronger, more mature, then come back to college athletics and compete with young men 6-7 years younger. For years now, BYU has had 25-year-old men with families still competing. Perhaps the Mormon Church could substitute military service for a mission so their membership can serve as readily as the rest of us. Five Romney sons haven't served, Joe Biden's son did. I don't think you need worry about Paul Ryan's son ever serving...like most children of the privileged, he will either 1)avoid service completely; 2)join a National Guard unit and not serve as Dubya did; or, 3)get commissioned and spend his/her time as an aide-de-camp to some high-ranking officer in Washington, D.C. as David Eisenhower did. This won't stop these two bozos from supporting wars with anyone who disagrees with them, whether it be Iran, Ireland, or the North Pole.
 
 
+22 # Old Man 2012-10-12 11:31
This proves to me and many others that Ryan is not qualified to be VP of the United States of America.
This must be the question in voters minds, is he qualified. Yeah....it's the lipstick.
 
 
+24 # Corvette-Bob 2012-10-12 12:01
I believe that we are in real danger of Romney and Ryan being elected. If so, I believe that the same neo-cons that brought you Iraq will attack Iran. This will occur I can guarantee this. The military budget will go thru the roof and social programs will be gutted. Here comes the war protest!!!
 
 
+11 # bmiluski 2012-10-12 12:43
I agree. I'm watching "Last Resort" where a fake war is started on Pakistan. Could just as easily be Iran.
 
 
+13 # BicParker 2012-10-12 12:46
MYTH ROMNEY!!
 
 
+6 # RMDC 2012-10-13 05:22
Paul Ryan is just Dan Quayle with black hair. He is also Sarah Palin without the lipstick. The republicans love these brainless vice presidents. In the case of Bush and Cheney the roles were switched. Cheney was the real president and Bush was the Quayle-Palin-Ry an vice president.

It would all be very funny if these guys were not so vicious. They are vicious because they are ignorant.

I know, let's not have a debate but a vice presidential spelling bee. Let's see who can spell Potato. Or is that Potatoe?
 
 
+4 # terrison 2012-10-13 08:59
Quoting RMDC:
I know, let's not have a debate but a vice presidential spelling bee. Let's see who can spell Potato. Or is that Potatoe?


Is it nuclear or nucular?
 

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