Intro: "Talk about a change of tone. Where President Obama was passive and, frankly, semi-conscious in his debate last week, Joe Biden was amped up and ready to attack Paul Ryan at every opportunity."
Vice President Joe Biden and Republican vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin participate in the vice presidential debate at Centre College, Thursday, Oct. 11, 2012, in Danville, Ky. (AP Photo/Pool-Rick Wilking)
Joe Biden Drops the "47 Percent" Hammer
11 October 12
alk about a change of tone. Where President Obama was passive and, frankly, semi-conscious in his debate last week, Joe Biden was amped up and ready to attack Paul Ryan at every opportunity. And nowhere did Biden show more fire than during an extended, impassioned diatribe on Mitt Romney's notorious "47 percent" remarks, a subject which Obama - puzzlingly, most observers agreed - failed to so much as mention last Wednesday. Biden, known as a blue-collar guy himself, seemed sincerely insulted that Romney had disparaged people who don't pay income taxes, including soldiers and seniors, and, apparently, Biden's parents and neighbors. It was a moment where Biden really seemed to take control. Check out the real-time dial of undecided voters at the bottom of the screen. Seems to have struck a nerve.
Ryan parried with the campaign's official "47 percent" defense: Romney just misspoke, and didn't mean it.
He cares about 100 percent of Americans in this country. And with respect to that quote, I think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way.
After allowing himself a laugh with the rest of the audience, Biden responded, "But I always say what I mean. And so does Romney."
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Ryan and Romney are deliberately being fuzzy and just hurling insults and criticisms at the Obama administration pretending it makes sense because they're combining it with the Republican obstructionism of the last decade. They know how to strategically make hay from this kind of attacks.
The message of the Obama administration is an inherently more complex one to convey, so they should stop biting on the bait and just explain their visions while pointing out lies and inconsistencies in the Republican world view.
The crux is that it take a lot of energy to do that, and presence of mind and as Republicans toss off a few words that needs a long time to refute it wears the Democrats out ... so Obama now needs to come up with a strategy to counter this from the Republicans.
Ryan lied throughout the whole debate just like Romney did, lets see who do I vote for 2 GOP liars that can act but have no substance or 2 Dems that actually care about people? Hmmm what shall I do?
VOTE Democratic in 2012!
Go JOE Go!!
Pernsey, I still can't believe that two men - Mendacious Mitt and Lyin' Ryan - have built a campaign on a foundation of lies. Mitt selectd Ryan because of his "marvelous" budget that he COMPLETELY agrees with - a budget that entirely shreds the Social Safety Net that the poor and middle class depend on. They would have you believe that there's no way to solve the problems of Social Security and Medicare except to turn them over to the same people who've already robbed us of trillions in wealth.
Mitt's 47% statement was no "gaffe". It's what he and Ryan believe. They intend to follow the Norquist "NO NEW TAXES" pledge, funnel more money to the rich, and decimate all social programs and the middle class in the process. But they can't tell us that in a public forum. Ryan is a Catholic, and his Bishops and Nuns have told him that his budget is "immoral" and "severe". What more can I say?
Ryan's goddess, sociopath Ayn Rand (Google her), is on the doorstep of the White House. She believed, as do Mitt and Ryan, that "A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights." (Where have we heard that before?)
If we're dumb enough to elect these two, she'll be sitting in the Oval Office, and it will be the end of America as we know it.
Vote for whom you want I doubt you can, you are probably in ninth grade and for how long???? Hard to move forward when you have leadership that cannot tell the truth
I would add one thing, for all of you whiners for Nit...He doesn't give a rat's ____ about a one of you. He will send you off to War and his pretty boys will be at home laughing their butts off!
I'll add one thing though. The greatest wopper of all time? That's tough one. Here's a few nominees:
1. Twit saying his healthcare plan covers pre-existing conditions.
2. George jr. saying Iraq had WMDs.
3. Twit saying he always paid at least 13% even though we don't deserve any proof.
4. Republicans suddenly getting behind Twit as though he wasn't the Wall Street whore you already knew he was during the primaries.
5. The idea that 47% of the country are freeloaders, coming from a man that appears to never pay ANYTHING in taxes unless he's running for President.
Take your pick.
If you want more, I'll gladly supply them for you.
Anyway, of course yahoo headlines are at it again. Look at some of the crap yahoo users are being subjected to this evening:
1. "Team Romney: Biden was ‘off balance’ and ‘strange’ "
2. "Ryan to Biden: ‘I know you’re under duress to make up for lost ground’ "
3. "Poll: Romney leads Obama in Florida by 7 points"
4. "Biden, the anti-Obama, brings exasperation to debate with Ryan: With moderator Martha Raddatz at the helm, the 90-minute conversation began fairly civilly, and grew increasingly snippy."
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and earlier tonight:
1. "With time running out, Biden has the bigger task tonight"
2. "Poll: Romney leads Obama in Florida by 7 points"
3. "How Biden became America's favorite punch line"
4. "Team Obama hopes Biden can halt GOP's momentum"
5. "Swing state polls show Mitt Romney on the rise"
6. "Store owner's controversial Obama protest"
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Team Yahoo is DEFINITELY on Team Twit's side, and is DEFINITELY invested in the outcome of this election!
Any right-wingers want to entertain us with some more of that "left-wing media" canard?!? That one always cracks me up!
Sense when does a little of 300 people constitute a fair poll when so many people who would have voted for Biden were left out ?
The moderator at one of these control groups got caught with her pants down when she called on a lady to ask her why she thought Ryan won and she said,, I didn't ,,I don't like these debates and I don't think anyone won ,lol.
I guess the moderator chose the wrong plant to ask !
Biden won that debate hands down and he called Ryan on all the false information he was saying about Obama's Health Care plan and all the other lies he was telling !
Sense when do the American people think the guy who can tell the most lies in a debate is the winner ? Romney told 27 lies and fact check also called Ryan on all of his lies about everything from Obama Care to Iran's capability to make a nuclear weapon !
Biden is a veteran at foreign affairs and Ryan isn't and Biden made that clear . Ryan fumbled his way through !
"Love or hate him, Joe dominates the conversation the day after"
What the hell does that even mean? Obviously the fact that he wiped the floor with ryan is unpopular with their editors.
When Twit interrupted constantly he was viewed as "more aggressive and energetic". When Biden refused to bow down and let ryan have a complete reign, he was viewed as "rude".
We all know that Biden hit the Ball and Homeruns were aimed to the American Public.
"Was Joe Biden too mean for ‘Iowa nice’ voters?: 'I thought Joe did a great job, but I wish that he didn’t interrupt so much.' ”
Apparently a Democrat CAN'T win a debate in the opinion of the right-wing press.
The idea is that if a Democrat is polite, then he's lethargic, doesn't really care, uninterested, too tired, the job's too much for him and it's getting to him, too much of a pansy and can't stand up and fight like a man, etc.
If, on the other hand, the Democrat is bold and assertive (especially with facts, which is something they REALLY hate), then he's too abrassive, obnoxious, rude, etc.
The way to win is DON'T be the Democrat.
Biden had facts, Biden spoke truthfully, sadly. Biden understands America It was an excellent discussion. Moderator kept control, she was a lil inexperienced but she did an excellent job vs OB Debate
It's in thier political nature to give a conceited smirk. Look at W (Witless). He couldn't wipe the smirk off his face. I find it a mutation of looking aristocratic-li ke and smirking like a weasel.
And take no prisoners, Barrack . . . However, if you think you must , Mister President, then do so . . . BUT keep in mind that you will have to feed them out of your own mess-kit and with your own rations.
Like Big Bird and many more, we got your back
Now of all the nice field jobs for missionary work...France. What was he praying for the grapes for harvest? I could understand if he said he was in Africa, India, So America but France...
Whew these people know how to sling the bs
At stake are nothing less than:
1. Our losing the Supreme Court & our Federal judicial system to the 1% for well past he the foreseeable future; and
2. More insane military ground action in the Middle East. In a campaign speech at Virginia Military Institute earlier this week, Romney seemed intent upon expanding our military actions to include Syria, Libya and Iran. Do you think that HIS sons will ever see a gun fired in anger? No, I don't either!
Joe did what he had to do. And he did it well!
He had dry mouth from nervousness having to tell lies to Biden's face and scared to death he would be called on them ,"which Biden did wonderfully ,".
I laughed when Biden brought up the money for pet projects, which didn't even create jobs...I laughed again when I wondered how much the Rethugs cost again in having to investigate their grab for money from Feds.
I heard no rebuttal because the investigation brought the egg facers out.
Too many loans, grants to these sleazes to get their buddies and relatives jobs
I love the half truths he tried to sneak by Biden. The one about not having enough American troops going into a very dangerous area in Afghanistan and JB saying over and over again it was because we had MORE AFGHAN troops going in.
Also, the whole Israel vs. USA misrepresentati on by ryan I loved how JB first of all refering to Netanyahu by his first name and telling him just how much communication goes on between President Obama and "bebe".
The best way to get to that point is to recognize the fact that the Wall Street securitization Ponzi scheme was an intentional fraud on all homeowners from 2003-2008 and continues to stagnate the economic recovery because the banks have not been brought to justice.
Foreclosure, eviction and deficiency moratorium NOW - and the road to recovery will open up.
Seasoned, reasoned, articulate, square-jawed -- leaving Ayn Rand's prodigy wimpering on the sidelines. The drama is summed up in the final question: "Name one unique personal trait that others don't have that would make you qualified for this job" (I'm paraphrasing). Ryan blurts out "honesty". Honesty! HONESTY?! Ayn Rand hubris all over again: "No one has it but me".
Then watch Biden pause a moment to listen and touch some human experience that can resonate with his audience...some vulnerability that bespeaks his humanity (read, honesty). Then he said what he meant. Simply so.
Obama, lesson learned. Leave the debates to your VP.
the only freeloaders are the 1%
A small observation though. I noticed Ryan was drinking water throughout the debate. I counted two full glasses but at the end of the debate it showed he had four glasses of water under the desk while Biden had two untouched glasses on his side. It crossed my mind during the Obama/Romney debate that Romney was flushed, hyper-animated and fast talking, like an old speed freak. Now Ryan can't get the water in fast enough. What's going on with republican candidates?
Now over 80% said they have more confidence now in Biden to take over than before...Yahoo
Love his humor, mocking lyin'Ryan.
Biden is our hero!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
This works, and it is about time after many elections now where Democrats have just taken this kind of rudeness and lies from Republicans that they stand up and punch back.
I am proud of Biden and I hope Jumpin' Joe has set a new precedent and standard for Democratic debate!
Joe took him apart without breaking a sweat like the pro attack dog that he is.
That was fun to watch.
He has been in so many guffaws saying one budget than nittnes corrects and then he says another...I do not listen because neither have the story straight or any written documentation. Per Usual it is hearsay.
OB may not be perfect but he at least has some background, has conferred, and has accomplishments , I never expected him to get the economy balanced in 4 years after 8 years of destroying a balanced budget. I also saw that the stops to bringing jobs back were all kept after the Dems lost control of House.
Only ones who benefit from jobs outsourced are Rethugs and Corporate Cretins
Way to go!
When ryan WITH AYN RAND ALL OVER HIS HISTORY AND FILM said that he cares about the poor and less-fortunate, that was a pathetic lie.
and,
NO republican should EVER talk about anything Canada does with out understanding that FREE health care CHANGES all other numbers
I can understand his incredulous smile,when Ryan went off on a lying spree ....but THEN he went on to refute the lies and he was passionate, and did not let Ryan get away with anything.
It was also crystal clear that if Romney/Ryan were to win,...Roe versus Wade would be gone very fast. There is NO tolerance for OUR rights. It's their way or the highway.
They will also gut medicare, and who knows what they will do about social security...they will not tell us.
I am sure a lot of people can see the writing on the wall.
I hope they get out to vote. They vote out the Congress and Senate, Governors and State Persons. We have to show Politicians and their Corporate Shills who is boss because we may not get a next time...Power does evil things to evil people.
I am talking all Faiths.
God never told anyone to put Politics before him...Said Do Not put False Gods Before Me. These Aholes think they are God as do many of these phony pyramid scheme Churches, Temples. Jesus went into the Temple and thru the gamblers, those who defied his father but putting up false gods. He pissed the Jews off that day. there was to be Shaker type of Faith no extravagant Cathedrals or Temples. The money was to be used to feed the Multitudes as Jesus proved over and over.
Religion was used by man to have dominance and submission over man's fears not to uphold any Faith. Man needs no Building to Worship the Creator. One only needs to go outside and see the splendors, to sit in a Church and told who to vote for is Evil. Satan is on your door step in the Guise of Religion... Faith is in your heart, mind. You need not pay for the Creator. He only asked that you give back. You are paying again so others can live better than you...why? Pretty dumb
As Ryan re-set into a few over-used talking points, or grinned.
Does a "win" or "loss" matter, in correcting the big bounce, or buying time until Debate #2? (Stock up on that popcorn!)
To me there are still bigger questions - we know the positions and the characters (where there is any). Questions like, what's the impact of all the early-voting before Obama self-immolation ? Will Romney be called on any of his positions one day versus the next? Will some fact checkers explain how numbers are being used to camouflage real-world trends, or Romney's math to suck up more loot while eliminating middle class deductions and basic societal supports? Ideas are great, combined with facts. Integrity, honesty, consistency - icing on the cake.
My fear is "fatigue", all around, from all the BS and spin, and etch-a-sketch resets.
We are all outraged when great moderators do not even open the door for accountability, much less press for and demand it. Martha did not go for the definitive “jugular” of either candidate, but she stopped the wheel just long enough for the candidates to take the bate and close in.
In the previous Presidential debate, President Obama actually did “show up” but never eviscerated his deserving opponent because he clearly felt that logic would win the day. History teaches us that “logic” against hollow claims to do better simply cannot work with the audience. As illustrated here with Mr. Biden and Mr. Ryan, facts and accountability in real time show an empty claim for what it is -empty.
In her own small way Martha helped to nudge the accountability in debate politics toward a more healing direction for all sides, including the moderators. This should make for better debates and at least for brief moments where one would hope that both sides of the aisle saw a healthier, fairer light.
Way to go Joe!
Only AFTER he took a plunge in the polls did he say he had misspoken!
Ryan said he doesn't understand how anyone can separate their personal beliefs from their job ! He went on to say how he felt about abortion ! Well if he doesn't understand the first amendment then he doesn't deserve to be Vice President !
Our elected officials should not govern by their own personal religious beliefs, religion has no place in government !
We are a diverse country with many religions and some of us practice no religion this is one of the reason's why religion has no place in government ! Biden gave the right answer to that question ,he said what his beliefs were but also said he was not going to judge others by his religious beliefs or tell a woman what she can and can not do with her own body ! This is how our leaders should lead !
Biden spoke the truth, I must do my job for all. I will continue to be a Catholic and give my Church its due.
Sure Glad because you cannot worship two Gods. For the Republicans they worship more like Heathens...anyt hing that has money, power .... God said you cannot put another God before me. Guess these people only read what they want.
I hope we win because I want the Draft back and no exceptions. If you want to pay off to let your kids not go, then you lose your home must leave the USA. I want one for all and all for one, time to put up or shut up.
I am tired of the tear jerk remarks about john the soldier...these cretins do not care about the soldier, they have nothing in common. Making deals with Brass is all they have in mind, selling China goods to our Military...like Phone Systems They do not stop for a moment..just steal jobs, destroy America.
Where will the next battalions come from...YOUR KIDS and Grankids Do not fool yourselves, Nitters kids aint serving, he didn't
While I am a lifetime Democrat, I for the first time feel cheap and cheated. I voted for the lesser of two presidential candidates that I know will be disappointments.
Trust is essential in leadership. It comes down to two essential components: competence and duty. And sincerity--what some might call heart. I and most I know have little trust in either presidential candidate. One ignores the truth, while the other seems as if he could care less.
Greg Palest ... check out his BallotBandits.O rg wrote a book about the many ways the vote is stolen, and says specifically - DO NOT GO POSTAL - your vote may not be counted.
None of us were braced for the Evil that came in 09. Now we can change it.
Biden well he is the working Joe you all wanted, but you all disrespected him.
I am glad you voted, hope you have made copy. But you have voted for men who do give a crap, that is more than I can say of any Rethug in Office today
Ryan came across as the sniveling whiner he is known to be.
Where were the actual 'cajones' of actual LEADERSHIP over these past 4 years?Why are we supposed to cheer a 'Coached Debate Acting' success.?
If Obama wants to change the tone and turn the election, then he can't 'perform' tough, etc. next debate. He has no choice but to take a firm STAND on principles and ideas DESPITE Polls.
For one, he could use that time to define just what the entire 'Smaller Government' ..'Less Government'.. 'Privatization of Government' Republican umbrella talking points have led all of us to-- perhaps the END of Republic..!
He could point to it and ask the simple question-- WHY DOESN"T ANYONE QUESTION THIS?
30 years of it has led to what?-- A whole lot less Government of WE THE PEOPLE and a whole lot more Government by GLOBAL Corporate Lobby. A Government which has been expensively 'for-profit' corporate contracted into a million democracy-usele ss Bits and highly corporate-profi table Pieces.
We live in a Deregulated Nightmare. We have ben plundered.
Smaller Government has given 1% control over 25% of the Nation's Wealth and untold power and dominion over all of us along with the ever greater ease to seize evermore wealth and power here and around the entire world.
SAY IT OBAMA-- Because its true!
If you believe in the value of Government AND the American People, then SELL IT hard and passionately against the backdrop of the now provable FAILURE OF SMALLER GOVERNMENT.
YOU CAN DO IT..!
I certainly have been, and you have some good points, but our choice now is Obama or Romney, that is it.
The only time Democrats even seem to get elected is when the Republicans do something so outrageous people get mad at them, but eventually they forget. That has to change, and the Democrats actually have to change to. The country however, must force them, like FDR said.
I want dignified Person to speak the truth, I hope now make the Points he can.
After you all voted in 2008 where did you go. Did you organize, start community groups. Did you take part in local, county, state government by going to meetings. No. You want, You want...You sound like Christy of NJ. Spoiled Brats who want everything done for them.
Well too bad. Smaller Government...fi rst you got to get involved on the ground floor with neighbors, friends, businesses, students to lay a floor plan, bring it to meetings and get it started. No one did this...you just kept buying foreign goods and not giving a crap about Business, Lives, Jobs just your life and stuff.
Do you understand You created this mess.
Did you protest, join OWS, do anything...most on here an other sites have done nothing but criticize. Well, don't bother. Either put up or shut up.
Don't talk the talk we hear it from Rethugs daily and we know they like you cannot walk the walk.
Want something done and done well, than do it yourself. Now is the time to get everyone involved. If we lose this election, that too is all your faults.
The majority of the "American people believe that the upper 10% are NOT paying their fair share of taxes. It is the neo-cons that are spinning that into "redistribution " and people like you are falling for it.
If that was true it really doesn't matter because now what is cutting us down to size as you put it is an economy that makes being an active super-power not as easy as it once was.
Bush cutting taxes to disastrous levels and Romney's insistence that we increase military spending and add to the deficit instead of attacking the real problem of investing in and building the economy is the problem!
You might also note that spending more on weapons and systems of weaponry does NOT make us stronger. In fact, it makes us weaker as a nation when we have insufficient funds to help our fellow Americans live and improve our nation.
Most of you do not even realize he did help balance budget with Delaware. He also helped private sector and union jobs.
Most of you did nothing but criticize this man for four years....now look who's laughing!
To have replied to MethaMitt would have been hard for anyone Moderator did not handle the debate, or have control I figured he wouldn't as he is a bore
"Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide."
John Adams
Democracy is when the indigent, not the men of property, are the rulers."
-- Aristotle
"As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy."
-- Abraham Lincoln
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."
Where are we in the sequence?
I say between apathy to dependence and dependence back to bondage
There are good reasons why we were created as a constitutionall y limited republic.
A real President with real courage would have confronted such obvious wrongdoing and challenged each false assertion. Obama instead chose to lower his eyes, bow his head, and let the lies linger unchallenged. We need a President who will stand up for the truth. And our nation.
THEY CAN TALK THE TALK ON TV
AND FOOL SOME OF THE PEOPLE.
But more important is that they would be be utterly incompetent as leaders of our nation. If they can't negotiate with their fellow Americans how could they negotiate with the leaders of other nations?
that had words like Biden, Democrats, Clinton, Obama, etc......had been defaulted to spam. Has anyone else had this happen to them?
The "trash" folder is automatically emptied for me if I don't check it. I thought only I could put something into "trash". Apparently not.
Naturally, yahoo says this is just a bug they're "trying to fix". Yeah right. The only thing they're trying to "fix" is whether or not I get information they don't want me to have. It's been going on off-and-on for about a year and a 1/2 now.
So yeah. I know exactly what you're talking about. The trouble is that I've been using yahoo for well over 10 years and would have some serious problems with telling everyone they could no longer contact me at that email.
Let Mr. Romney tell my students in person that they are "victims," who "believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it." Let him look them in the eye and say his job is "not to worry about" them. Let him admonish them by saying that he could "never convince them to take personal responsibility and care for their lives." Let him tell Jerome, whose mother is dying, and has to support his family, or Donna whose parents both died tragically a year apart, or Marisol who goes regularly for chemo treatments but still finds the time to do her homework, apologizing for her absences, or Jason who is living in a motel because his father is out of work.
Had Romney been in my class that day, he would have seen outrage and sadness in the faces of the children before him. But he would have heard, too, the eloquent defense of their dignity. He would have seen the pride on their faces when they spoke about their families. He would have witnessed the character, kindness, and innate goodness of that 47 percent of Americans who have the strength and the will to depend on themselves.
James Mulhern, www.synthesizingeducation.net
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