Excerpt: "Take a deep breath, Obama supporters. Stop refreshing the Real Clear Politics polling page every twelve seconds. Get some perspective. Be patient. And step away from the edge."
Obama speaks to the press. (photo AP)
Why Obama Supporters Should Not Freak Out
09 October 12
oming on the heels of a Pew poll that showed Mitt Romney up by 4 points, a new PPP poll conducted for Daily Kos/SEIU in the days after the debate has Romney leading President Obama by 2 points, even despite a sample of 40 percent Democrats to 37 percent Republicans.
This is not going to help calm the nerves of worried Obama-backers like the Daily Beasts's Andrew Sullivan, who wrote a post last night called "Did Obama Just Throw the Entire Election Away?":
Look: I'm trying to rally some morale, but I've never seen a candidate this late in the game, so far ahead, just throw in the towel in the way Obama did last wee ...
A sitting president does not recover from being obliterated on substance, style and likability in the first debate and get much of a chance to come back. He has, at a critical moment, deeply depressed his base and his supporters and independents are flocking to Romney in droves ...
I've never seen a candidate self-destruct for no external reason this late in a campaign before ...
I'm trying to see a silver lining. But when a president self-immolates on live TV, and his opponent shines with lies and smiles, and a record number of people watch, it's hard to see how a president and his party recover.
A little later, Sullivan added in a new post, "This race is now Romney's to lose. Not just because Romney is shameless liar and opportunist. But because Obama just essentially forfeited the election."
Well now. Obviously it's a bit jarring to see the polls, which had shown a fairly stable Obama lead for more than a month, flip nearly overnight. But Sullivan and his fellow Obama supporters need to step back and look at the big picture. Or let Nate Silver do it for them:
[The] exact math is probably not as important as the broader conclusion: that the economy is [in] line with Mr. Obama being a very modest favorite.
In Denver ... Mr. Romney presented himself as an acceptable and competent alternative. Challengers also generally profit from the first debate: in 8 of the 10 election cycles since 1976, the polls moved against the incumbent, and a net gain of two or three percentage points for the challenger is a reasonably typical figure.
At the same time, incumbent presidents just aren’t that easy to defeat. Mr. Obama’s approval ratings are now hovering around 50 percent and don’t seem to have been negatively affected by his performance in Denver ...
In some ways, then, the election might not be quite so unpredictable as it appears. There was reason to believe that Mr. Obama’s numbers would fade some after his convention - and the first debate has quite often been a time when the challenger drew the race closer.
In other words: While Obama clearly shit the bed last Wednesday night, none of this is totally unexpected, and the fundamentals of the race aren't quite as dire as the bounce-driven polls.
Not to mention: There are still two presidential debates left. Just as quickly as the first one shifted the polls one way, the second two can shift the polls back another way. And does anyone expect Obama to be the same passive, unfocused empty chair that was the first time around?
So, take a deep breath, Obama supporters. Stop refreshing the Real Clear Politics polling page every twelve seconds. Get some perspective. Be patient. And step away from the edge.
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PEOPLE, the link is about how rude and obnoxious romney was and how he got away with it.
Explain why Henry gets 11 thumbs down for showing a link to prove that point...
Thanks for checking out Henry's link. I for one had not given him either an up or down. based on your say so, I gave him an up.
If MSNBC is so g-d liberal, then why were they attacking the president for not calling out lies, instead of just calling out Romney's lies. The President did not have the advantage during the debate of having fact checkers and number crunchers. He was likely tired and not prepared for the enormity of the lies and factual misrepresentati ons Gov. Romney dumped into the empty brains of the undecided.
A proper coverage of the debate would have noted that Mitt Romney was animated in his presentation of lie after lie. The commentary should have been (from the so-called liberal bias networks) that it is hard to believe the voters would elect a person that lies so frequently as President.
The media has to own up to their role in the public's decision making, not just sit there and pontificate about the candidate's performance is a measure of their ability to be President.
OK, I had to get that rant off my chest. In the end, I believe Obama now armed with the facts to disprove Romney's lies will prevail. Also, if Romney changes his tune again, which is likely, then all he has to do is calmly note thatthe Governor is agin contradicting himself, and the etch-a-sketch particles are getting all over the floor.
I don't think Obama can be prepared for the next wave of Twit-lies however. These ones will be about fir-in policy. Twit will, once again, position himself far to the left of anything he's said before. The only response I can think of to that would be to ask if the real Twit romney will please stand up.
There could be eminem parodies about him being slim AND shadey.
True, the media should have pointed that out, but the media has been failing since 911, it is now the permanent organ of propaganda ... so one would think the President would know and understand and say something about it.
Who knows what Obama did or why, he has not explained it, and I think the bad night excuse is just that. Whatever it was he was not doing his job and he did not adequately explain why.
I'm sure he appreciates your personal sympathy and defense, but that is not going to get him re-elected.
The main problem with Obama's performance, and in fact every time he talks about the economy is that either he is talking down to Americans he does not think understand the problem, or he doesn't understand the problem himself.
I think Obama decided or was told to appoint TO DELEGATE the same people in the same jobs that caused the problem and to go off and do something else - like health care.
The problem is that Obama got double-crossed - by the same criminals who caused this problem, and who did not fix it, because it cannot be fixed by austerity, but Obama cannot say that.
Pride has painted Obama into a corner and it will be a miracle if he is re-elected, but even if he is re-elected there is no guaranteed that he will fix the problem because there is no evidence that he really understands it.
Polls do you really believe Polls than you are dumber than sheeple. Polls are a very sly fox. These Pollsters are used to get numbers form who ever pays them...sometime s if the people who are in charge of the poll personnel are GOP guess what, they have the whole state, county and the USA mapped out on where to call, how many phone slams in locals, how many not ever gonna pick up.
I have done it so I know that it is just more numbers of people who may or may not even get called. Please get a life
If these creeps would spend one third of that money on feeding America's Children they would all get better responses.
I noticed that Casey in Pa has gotten millions, he has spent only one third I hope when he is done he gives that money to food kitchens and shelters where it can be used better. The Republican is in debt the same amount so who is doing the spending again Seems the GOP.
I do not know if your State is doing this but Pa is charging people for signs to put up Once again the Republican State even has the Democrats doing some dirt bag things I asked them why when the Seniors cannot afford it, Disabled or unemployed so that is why there are no signs up. Guess it will show you who has money.
I would also like to see the OB headquarters let people know about the 3500 new employees laid off by Bain
"WIN" to most people. That says something about the moral pathology of this society.
True, Obama is a disappointment. He did act like he was disenchanted. That would be an honest emotion--him being in a situation where he is set up for theatre when he should be doing his job as president.
AS I noted the day after the debate, the President gave numbers that were attached to labels and had context. Romney on the other hand, gave either numbers or labels, and very little context. Not only was nearly everything he said a lie, it was also devoid of meaning.
Why didn't the so-called moderator ask him for a jobs program or how a single policy of his would create a single job. Lie and empty word, not a winner in my world and not yours either.
Obama has no choice but to call him out. But what he has now, and I don't think it was intended, is a baseline for what Romney claims as truth. The governor (sic) is stuck with defending his lies, because a switch is an open invitation to the President to call him out. The best part is that Obama won't need the facts and figures that he would have needed during the first debate.
Lastly, this coming debate is a "town hall", maybe not Obama's strongest venue, but certainly one where Romney is most likely to make a near fatal gaffe.
Not to be too outwardly religious (I hate that), but I pray you're right.
I doubt it since he will answer every question with a variation of well rehearsed lies/lines.
I hope Biden just sits there leaving the rope out.
If you want blood it is time to bring the women in
OB doesnot have to rant and rave at all, It is sad the America is looking for first blood. Not goin to happen, I am sure he will be better at the next debate, but I remember quite a few debates, that is why I believe them boring happening the same.
I also remember OB stating he is not a debater so we were warned.
If you want blood go after the Moderator who did not do his job
He cannot lend himself to act like a ranting idiot...that is what Romney is trying to do Get his Goat. OB just wasn't going for it But the reality show mentality of people today want blood.
Ain't goin to happen I am praying that Biden also let's Ryan go off like the imbecile he is. Biden like Ob can get angry not worth it on National even International TV President of the USA has to look like he can control the world, the button and have dignity.
Romnit looked lie he was on Meth, Lehrer was the imbecile of not keeping the loon in place. But the moderator is a Bore so hope we have a better one this time
I offered to coach Gore and Obama, and both rejected my offer. Know I can prep him best. But I will be ignored. The weird thing is I can contact the Romney camp and, even though I am a Democrat, they will invite me to help.
The ones who did it were pawns for lowlifes
happened with Nader at too many meetings. I met them both, they are great in their fields but if the people do not know what your are talking about, you lost the race.
People understood OB, the Polls were mostly GOP Journalists if they are that, Reporters again a misnomer, wanted a screaming match. Is that what we want Jersey Housewive Trash talking...prett y sad that is where one's iq is.
Next debate I want some fire and brimstone under the demise of being Quiet, Smart and the President who is in charge of not pushing Buttons
Obama may not be FDR, but he's no Karl Rove, either.
The reason Europe has multi-party elections is that they have an electoral PROCESS that promotes it. Ours punishes it.
I looked up all the parties today, I see no major runners in Green in Pa but I saw some Libertarians that look good, and have worked themselves up to local jobs so I am voting for them for State Jobs. That is how you get feet in doors.
I want to see New Party System, this dual bs has gone on long enough
Oh...you mean that guy who leads his money and American jobs offshore and puts people out of work for a "taste." That leader? Right?
The same one who insulted the U.K., the owner of the famous donut shop, the one filmed denigrating 47% of our population, who thinks transvaginal probes are the order of the day for small government. That leader, huh?
You need to continue coming to the wrong site [RSN] because you have entertainment value that is peerless. It is not often that thinking, reasoning, caring, sentient beings actually get to interact with those who pay blind obeisance to the GOP's (Grand Old Plutocrats) Karl Rovian party line.
Again I query, what is it about the GOP and those chinless blobs that rule the roost: the Limbaughs, the Roves and the Norquists and formerly the Abramoffs till he blew the GOP up.
Keep those comments coming, we all need a good laugh.
Neither is appropriate but neither is banned.
Meanwhile the Repugs are firing up their minions. See http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/forum/topics/romney-by-a-landslide-direct-from-caesar-s-palace
The left is pissed because its leadership doesn't seem to lead and appears to cave into bullies.
I listened in on Tim Kain's (VA) conference call the other day. Now that is a substantive, factual, no spin leader.
Go back and watch the Bush I, Perot and Clinton debate. The brain power and exchanges were substantively powerful. I was so impressed by the interaction that it is now my standard for what I want to see.
However, if someone is going to bald face lie, I wanted it countered instantly.
Angry? No, I want real. The candidates (except Biden) joist about bull shit while the U.S. Rome is burning down around out heads.
I just want to slap 'em upside the head the way mamas do where I am from and say speak English and it better be true.
You are delusional!
When will you ever give O-Blamer responsibility! He has been there almost 4 years and you don't expect him to be in command yet?
Why? Is it he is black and you think that impairs him, you seem to have a racist point of view, Bush was bad for ALL 8 years but O-Blamer still has no responsibility!
Can anything other than race be affecting your thinking... apparently not!
I do not believe OB is full black anymore than any white is fully white given the history of the World part one and two.
Race I see no race that is for the 'Christians' to judge
Truman had a sign " The Buck Stops Here"
Obama changed it to "THE BUCK STOPS WITH BUSH"
Where will the buck stop under President Twit? My guess would be in his Cayman Islands account so he doesn't have to pay taxes on it.
How long has it taken to rebuild the World Trade Center in NYC? How long did it take to build them in the first place?
When something is destroyed as were the twin towers or the entire economy of the planet, first you have to clean up the toxic mess. On that I give Obama a C as far as recovering the economy. Then you need plans, again a C. Lastly execute the plan. In that I give Obama an A-, final grade incomplete.
Blaming Obama for Bush's incompetence and then expecting him to repair the world when he does not even get the courtesy of co-operation from the loyal opposition is way more racist than any silly idea that he is a magic negro, as you folks tend to think he should be. President Obama is a man, imperfect as all of us are.
Mitt will do anything for anybody he doesn't even have the class of a hooker I doubt wifey does either
RAPES
U.S.A
If he had given in to the blood bath nittens wanted you would all be bashing him anyway OB cannot win as long as no one knows what they want.
He is the President, he has to have decorum. I realize that Reality brains do not know the meaning of that word but obviously OB does
Moderator was the worst...Too bad there was no better to choose from Letterman would have been better
Based on data from PolitiFact article: FACT-CHECKING THE DENVER PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE [http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/03/fact-checking-denver-presidential-debate/]
Does accuracy Matter? From Competitive Debate—Rules and Techniques by George McCoy Musgrave (1957): Rule 5c. Facts, presented in a debate as such, must be accurate. If the judge is certain that the evidence is deliberately falsified, he is justified in giving the decision to the other team on this point alone.
I also heard Dems say he looked like he'd just wet his pants. Or he looked like he was about to blow lunch.
So "shit the bed" may have horrified the squeamish, but it nailed the president's performance to a tee!
What I heard was:
1) an overbearing Romney, speaking of fantastic/incon sistent policy projections,
2) a moderator seemingly limited in maintaining a balanced format, and
3) President Obama presenting cogent arguments in a gentlemanly fashion.
I did not go to bed feeling that Obama lost any part of the debate. I did recognize that he failed to slam Romney for most inconsistencies , but I didn't need him to do that for me.
In other words, the *spectacle* of a
passive president was lost on me, and
the bluster of his opponent was inescapable.
How sad that we may have this election resolved by the tenacity of a salesman (evidently good visuals, but selling what, you may ask) versus that of a pretty straightforward , hardworking statesman.
In order to regain his lead, it seems that Obama needs some acting lessons so that he will *look* as good as he is smart. Maybe George Clooney can stand in?
Salesman v. Statesman
This about sums it up.
It is quite obvious that most people do not really listen to what Romney is saying anyway since they don't really notice the lack of substance or truth in what he says.
Remember the movie “Network”? Actor Peter Finch – as TV host Howard Beale – exhorted viewers to throw open their windows and yell, “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore”?
We are being swindled. Candidates speak in platitudes. They do not provide facts or explain their so-called plans. “Creating jobs” is just not enough information.
How will they create jobs?
Everyday folks want to know the specifics. They want to know how jobs will be created, and what they will pay. For any politician to say that “job creators” will do right by us is disdainful.
Allowing lawmakers to get away with such malarkey begins the dumbing-down of America is underway. George Orwell’s Oceania is just over the horizon!
Health care? No prob. Hand more of it over to the free marketers. After all, the lie goes, they’ve been doing a fine job, right? Huh? Health care costs have risen 2000% in the last 40 years. 2000%!
Education? They want Charter schools. Their ultimate goal is to charge for education. Here is the disturbing part: They do not believe poor people need educations. (That is another rule of Oceania.)
Housing? What about it? They have houses.
It goes on and on.
The swindles that we allow to victimize us (yes, we allow it to happen) ignore truth. Myths and fables replace facts and solutions. (Take the birthers...plea se.)
The GOP is morally bankrupt (and basically un-patriotic) --all you need do is realize that the dinner where Mitt decried 47% of us as 'moochers' cost $50,000 a PLATE (consider that a mid-level urban teacher makes ca. $50,000 a YEAR! and aruralone ca. $30,000 a YEAR). The twit and his pals live in a self-aggrandizi ng never-neverland where all they think they have to do is throw their $$$money around and continue to believe they are so superior that they are ENTITLED to bully the rest of us... the way they bully their serfs/peons as CEOs of their companies.
Want jobs? Get out of NAFTA, WTO, and other anti-worker free trades schemes. Restore tariffs to even the playing field. (Stop China from dumping goods produced by exploited workers on the U.S. market.) Severely tax corporations [investors] that choose to move to offshore locations governed by dictators.
Medicine? Implement single payer health care. Politicians know it is the solution to our nation’s health care crisis, but their loyalty is being purchased by the medical industry complex.
Return education to educators. Get religion out of our public schools, and vote zealots off school boards.
Housing? Build them as needed. (Few people need 2000 plus square foot houses. 1200 – 1400 is reasonable. That is the size most of us over 50 grew up in, and magically we survived.
Cut war spending! Big time.
Require the top .01%, 1%, and 2.5% to pay their fair share. Multimillionair es and billionaires need to sweeten the pot. Boo-hoo, they would only be left with enough money each year to live 1000 lifetimes each year. (When do we get a turn?)
Let’s declare a swindle-free holiday, and then extend it into infinity. Let’s demand fairness.
Are you mad as hell? Let’s hope so. Use that anger. Vow to vote against union-busters and fat cats who treat America’s working class as if we are their personal peons.
And whatever you do, DO NOT vote for Romney!
If I were a presidential strategist, I would wait until my opponent spent his ammunition and had not left. I would send my blue tick hound - my attack dog - to go after Eddie Munster, then I would destroy my opponent on foreign policy in the last debate. But I'm not a presidential consultant. Just a Midwesterner tire of the hand wringing going on over this race.
Rufus Cornpone
This first debate was basically meant to be an assessment of how Romney was going to fight. In fact his tactics were so outlandish that Obama was stunned. Not helped by oxygen starvation and presidential fatigue he but his arms up and wished for a quick end of the round. Now that he knows what Romney is up to will be different as his latest campaign speeches attest.
I expect a pissed off Obama evening out the score, and winning the debates. My worry is that when the end of the campaign draws near there is going to be an unstoppable barrage of money spent by the 1% that will skew the contest irreparably.
Did I say I worry? The fact is that I am sick with worry about it.
Unless, of course you already have the idea of Privatizing water supplies, then you would not want to use THAT approach. POTUS, are you familiar with NAWAPA? Just askin'...
Another thing the great white LDS hope might try, intellectually honest disclosure of tax returns. That is about as likely as recanting his counterfeit religion belief system, a profitable franchise at best, and a satanic attempt to demean the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth. Discipline and family values of Mormonism are the best of virtues, but cherry picking O.T. scriptures and ignoring Christ's once and for all sacrifice in place of works is a no-no...
Now this is especially for Willard Romney: Read I Kings 22 V.22-23 and see what lying spirits do to a leader and the country he wants to lead. Beware. There are also some scriptural warnings on false prophets, directed at all comers, including some people trying to sell the world some oil.
Funny thing about these oil guys; they seem hell-bent on ignoring Divine warnings against meddling with Israel and Jerusalem. apparently, there are some parts of the Bible their leaders won't tell them about...
Sure, I'd love to relax and think everything is going to be OK, but I think last Wednesday's debate showed Obama really having to over-think about what to say so much that he looked a total loss. The reason that is so anxiety producing is that there are implications to it other than just a bad night.
The problem that implies is not just that he had a bad night, but that President Obama really does not understand the whole economy thing, and what he did delegate or what he was told to do, was to appoint Bernanke and the same old people to handle this ... but he did not at the time nor does he now really understand it well enough to talk fluently about it now.
In other words, Obama seems to have delegated the whole economy over to the same people who cause the collapse and who are responsible for extending it and not giving him a good option of what to do.
I think the fact that someone who is expert, someone who has spent their 10,000 hours with something should know it and be able to discuss it fluently and easily ... so by deduction what Obama's performance last Wednesday indicated is that he has been aloof and hands off as President, not the tireless fighter for the middle class that we want and have to see.
This doesn't make Mitt Romney look good, except to the low-infomation voter or those who just do not care or are rightfully questioning Obama's performance,
OBama could have fallen into a War of Words but he would have looked worse. You would still be trashing him. In case you do not know this he is Human Being, not perfect nor made any assumptions of being such. On every station I watched, he admitted to being a poor debater. He didnot lie to us.
He also didnot let himself get washed up calling names, or rebutting lies.
All the sites I have seen, my friends researched, all anyone does is bash OB or whoever else comes to mind.
Moderator did not do his part at all. But then he is a bore. I didn't watch because I forgot but what I saw was a calm President and some goon on Meth. I was not impressed with the goon.
Not a one of you watched Pres tells, he really didn't get worked up to give any away. Media really had nothing to Bash him on.
Media is now feeling he was calm, mannered, even one on CNN said that Moderator didn't do his job. It is hard controlling a manic on drugs.
Perhaps the Moderator like Obama didn't want to get this man to lash out, but wish he would have. Believe he will yet.
Waiting to see what Nittens has to say about Foreign Policy unless his Station buds keep that out. He has no foreign policy or knowledge of. Wrong He sold out American Jobs.
These guys want to go down from 35% to 25 or 28% and cut the 15% Cap. Gains tax (a real killer). Once they are in power, Great Depression II is not far off.
http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/78-78/13832-post-mortem-of-obamas-debate-defeat-sense-and-nonsense
Good analogy "Vardoz".
Would any of YOU buy even a NEW car from a heavily-pomaded , overly-loquacio us. spray-tanned-lo oking, vulturine, grinning, conversation-do minating, say-anything-to make-a-sale but can't back it up mediocrity-spec ialist?
Obviously many Americans would -that's what the Owner-Media expects of them and what this ectoplasm of a candidate is counting on.
Can't wait to hear his next schpeilen on what his current force-fantasy of choice might be, as cheered on by Fix news. Any guesses? ("War makes for Peace you can't afford". "Trust me, I'll not screw you for at least ten days after inauguration". "Give me your taxes and I'll squander them in ways you'll love and can watch on my new "Twit-El Leder" channel -PPV of course". "I may take up golf to show what a regular down-to-earth guy I am -on my own course though". "Wait 'till you see what Anne and I do with Air Force one: it'll piss off the allies we have left!").
Add your own to taste and imagination -I could go on all night but have better things to do!
And just when I thought that Dimwits was the worst ever!
but so is Obama.
Tar sand pipeline: "game over for the planet" (NASA scientist).
Indefinite detention: game over for justice.
Kill list/drones: game over for
democracy.
This is the time to make the election
a moral and ethical issue.
Vote Jill Stein/Green Party and look
your grandchildren in the eyes.
There is a substantial portion of the hard right who literally WANT the end of the world to happen in their lifetime because they think they'll be "raptured" and not have to face the consequences.
100% of them vote.
100% of them vote a straight repug ticket.
Repug politicians pander to them. Many repugs are members of this group.
You forgot to mention a few issues:
WWIII involving Iran and Pakistan (then, who knows?)
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
student aid
public schools
public infrastructure
THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
cont
If you want a 3rd party you'll need to change the electoral process to make it more like it is in Europe. You'll need a Constitutional Amendment to do this. I'll sign the petition.
Until then, THE ONLY WAY to elect the Green Party is to REPLACE the Democratic Party. The election can be between:
1. Green & Repug
2. Democrat and Repug
3. Repug and a bunch of other little parties who can't work together.
What do you think we can get done in the next 3 weeks?
There's only one way your logic makes any sense from a strategic standpoint. That's if you want President Romney to begin a war with Iran in January.
Otherwise, you're sabotaging our country.
The real situation is that neither party represents YOUR interests. Glenn Greenwald wrote an article in the Guardian UK that goes into this quite well.
The US presidential debates' illusion of political choice
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/04/third-party-us-presidential-debate-deceit
My guess is that regardless of who "wins" the public--you and me--the 99% will LOSE. Whoever becomes the appointed one will impose austerity, run the wars...you name it. If it is Obummer, it will simply be a "kinder, gentler" screw job than Romney and the Rethugs would run, and it would be carried out with a little more finesse.
This is a very very unpopular view and the supporters will slam me roundly for even mentioning it--but that's the way it goes.
What matters is Obama's great progressive movements in America - (Lilly Ledbetter, getting rid of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Affordable Health
Care Act, Iraq war ended, clean energy promotions, an improving economy) and ALL progressives of every party standing up and voting for Obama.
(Only Clinton won his first debate)
But good the polls are close a Democrat core support is a lower socio/economic group, and like swingers many won't even turn out to bother voting hassles if they believe their guy has a massive lead.
On the other hand the higher socio/economic Rep voter can't wait to vote and be seen at the polls.
Close polls will bring out more worried usually reticent Democrat Votetr5s I feel sure and Obama is a much better human anyhow.
For those on the fence, I agree, such a performance could be disasterous. However, for supporters, there is no reason to panic.
We know Obama will come out strong this next debate, and will pick up where our man Joe left off.
Stop over-reacting MSNBC and other left-leaning channels!
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