RSN May Fundraising
FB Share
Email This Page
add comment
Print

Chomsky writes: "With the quadrennial presidential election extravaganza reaching its peak, it's useful to ask how the political campaigns are dealing with the most crucial issues we face. The simple answer is: badly, or not at all."

Noam Chomsky. (photo: Bloomberg)
Noam Chomsky. (photo: Bloomberg)


Issues that Obama and Romney Avoid

By Noam Chomsky, Nation of Change

06 October 12

 

ith the quadrennial presidential election extravaganza reaching its peak, it's useful to ask how the political campaigns are dealing with the most crucial issues we face. The simple answer is: badly, or not at all. If so, some important questions arise: why, and what can we do about it?

There are two issues of overwhelming significance, because the fate of the species is at stake: environmental disaster, and nuclear war.

The former is regularly on the front pages. On Sept. 19, for example, Justin Gillis reported in The New York Times that the melting of Arctic sea ice had ended for the year, "but not before demolishing the previous record - and setting off new warnings about the rapid pace of change in the region."

The melting is much faster than predicted by sophisticated computer models and the most recent U.N. report on global warming. New data indicate that summer ice might be gone by 2020, with severe consequences. Previous estimates had summer ice disappearing by 2050.

"But governments have not responded to the change with any greater urgency about limiting greenhouse emissions," Gillis writes. "To the contrary, their main response has been to plan for exploitation of newly accessible minerals in the Arctic, including drilling for more oil" - that is, to accelerate the catastrophe.

This reaction demonstrates an extraordinary willingness to sacrifice the lives of our children and grandchildren for short-term gain. Or, perhaps, an equally remarkable willingness to shut our eyes so as not to see the impending peril.

That's hardly all. A new study from the Climate Vulnerability Monitor has found that "climate change caused by global warming is slowing down world economic output by 1.6 percent a year and will lead to a doubling of costs in the next two decades." The study was widely reported elsewhere but Americans have been spared the disturbing news.

The official Democratic and Republican platforms on climate matters are reviewed in Science magazine's Sept. 14 issue. In a rare instance of bipartisanship, both parties demand that we make the problem worse.

In 2008, both party platforms had devoted some attention to how the government should address climate change. Today, the issue has almost disappeared from the Republican platform - which does, however, demand that Congress "take quick action" to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency, established by former Republican President Richard Nixon in saner days, from regulating greenhouse gases. And we must open Alaska's Arctic refuge to drilling to take "advantage of all our American God-given resources." We cannot disobey the Lord, after all.

The platform also states that "We must restore scientific integrity to our public research institutions and remove political incentives from publicly funded research" - code words for climate science.

The Republican candidate Mitt Romney, seeking to escape from the stigma of what he understood a few years ago about climate change, has declared that there is no scientific consensus, so we should support more debate and investigation - but not action, except to make the problems more serious.

The Democrats mention in their platform that there is a problem, and recommend that we should work "toward an agreement to set emissions limits in unison with other emerging powers." But that's about it.

President Barack Obama has emphasized that we must gain 100 years of energy independence by exploiting fracking and other new technologies - without asking what the world would look like after a century of such practices.

So there are differences between the parties: about how enthusiastically the lemmings should march toward the cliff.

The second major issue, nuclear war, is also on the front pages every day, but in a way that would astound a Martian observing the strange doings on Earth.

The current threat is again in the Middle East, specifically Iran - at least according to the West, that is. In the Middle East, the U.S. and Israel are considered much greater threats.

Unlike Iran, Israel refuses to allow inspections or to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty^. It has hundreds of nuclear weapons and advanced delivery systems, and a long record of violence, aggression and lawlessness, thanks to unremitting American support. Whether Iran is seeking to develop nuclear weapons, U.S. intelligence doesn't know.

In its latest report, the International Atomic Energy Agency says that it cannot demonstrate "the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran" - a roundabout way of condemning Iran, as the U.S. demands, while conceding that the agency can add nothing to the conclusions of U.S. intelligence.

Therefore Iran must be denied the right to enrich uranium that is guaranteed by the NPT^, and endorsed by most of the world, including the nonaligned countries that have just met in Tehran.

The possibility that Iran might develop nuclear weapons arises in the electoral campaign. (The fact that Israel already has them does not.) Two positions are counterposed: Should the U.S. declare that it will attack if Iran reaches the capability to develop nuclear weapons, which dozens of countries enjoy? Or should Washington keep the "red line" more indefinite?

The latter position is that of the White House; the former is demanded by Israeli hawks - and accepted by the U.S. Congress. The Senate just voted 90-1 to support the Israeli position.

Missing from the debate is the obvious way to mitigate or end whatever threat Iran might be believed to pose: Establish a nuclear weapons-free zone in the region. The opportunity is readily available: An international conference is to convene in a few months to pursue this objective, supported by almost the entire world, including a majority of Israelis.

The government of Israel, however, has announced that it will not participate until there is a general peace agreement in the region, which is unattainable as long as Israel persists in its illegal activities in the occupied Palestinian territories. Washington keeps to the same position, and insists that Israel must be excluded from any such regional agreement.

We could be moving toward a devastating war, possibly even nuclear. Straightforward ways exist to overcome this threat, but they will not be taken unless there is large-scale public activism demanding that the opportunity be pursued. This in turn is highly unlikely as long as these matters remain off the agenda, not just in the electoral circus, but in the media and larger national debate.

Elections are run by the public relations industry. Its primary task is commercial advertising, which is designed to undermine markets by creating uninformed consumers who will make irrational choices - the exact opposite of how markets are supposed to work, but certainly familiar to anyone who has watched television.

It's only natural that when enlisted to run elections, the industry would adopt the same procedures in the interests of the paymasters, who certainly don't want to see informed citizens making rational choices.

The victims, however, do not have to obey, in either case. Passivity may be the easy course, but it is hardly the honorable one.

 

Comments   

We are concerned about a recent drift towards vitriol in the RSN Reader comments section. There is a fine line between moderation and censorship. No one likes a harsh or confrontational forum atmosphere. At the same time everyone wants to be able to express themselves freely. We'll start by encouraging good judgment. If that doesn't work we'll have to ramp up the moderation.

General guidelines: Avoid personal attacks on other forum members; Avoid remarks that are ethnically derogatory; Do not advocate violence, or any illegal activity.

Remember that making the world better begins with responsible action.

- The RSN Team

 
+45 # orwell, by george 2012-10-06 13:08
back to rationality, noam.
i totally agree. :)
 
 
+28 # RLF 2012-10-07 03:29
I think it is the Republican plan for fixing global warming...Nucle ar Winter!
 
 
+2 # JayS 2012-10-09 08:59
And the Democrats are happy to comply.
 
 
+16 # RICHARDKANEpa 2012-10-06 13:27
Thank you it add to your last post on voting,

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/13751-noam-chomsky-on-how-progressives-should-approach-election-2012


Some people get beyond the box they are supposed to be in,
 
 
+37 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-06 16:18
I was raised a Republican. Then, as I became a little older, I thought, "if I was raised as a Republican" then why am I so short on good economic principles?" It becamme apparent as time progressed that the United States was a country that did thrive on Socialism-for the 1%.
Why do the Republicans fight so hard against social prgress for those who are classified as "the worker?" I think their position is fear based. Since the Suprene Court seemed to serve as the "law firm" for the Republicans, CITIZENS'S UNITED decision, it would seem that there was a fear that the workers would take over "too much" power in America. Citizen's United decision effectively blocked Obama from "becoming too powwerful." Mitt Romney is merely a corporate errand boy for the Republican Party. He is actually a political moderate. The Republican Party is jambing ideas down his throat. That is why he looks so much like a bird who cannot fly on his own wings. The issues of the debate were most likely pre-negotiated. Romney probably went "off script"-caught Obama with his "pants down." Obama was not prepared to procceed with no pants. I wish there was another way to put it, make excuses for Obama.
 
 
-9 # brux 2012-10-06 19:49
Cute post ...

> "if I was raised as a Republican" then why am I so short on good economic principles?"

Not "if" ... "because" ! ;-)

> Socialism-for the 1%

Or in other words fascism.

It would not have matter how powerful Obama was, he was not going to anything like revolutionary change, he masterfully used his blackness to tug at our hearts to get the Presidency before he was ready for it.

Now that we are stuck with him is it any wonder people are disappointed and trying to put lipstick on the disappointed pig.

Here's a pretty good article on this whole conundrum if you are interested:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/07/opinion/sunday/what-happened-to-obamas-passion.html?pagewanted=all&src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB
 
 
0 # RMDC 2012-10-09 02:43
Why is anyone negging Brux. He's right. "Socialism for the 1%" is a phrase that never should be used. If you think about how language works as propaganda, this phrase actually indicts socialism and that is just the opposite of what we need.

"socialism for the 1%" does have a proper name and it is "fascism." Capitalism is also a good word.

Obama is a pig. He is the proverbial "pig in a poke." We voted for "hope and change" in 2008 and got neither. This is not the fault of citizens united or the republicans. It is the fault of Obama. He simply never planned to be a liberal president. He's a protoge of Bill Clinton, who's whole career was built on carrying out the republican agenda.

So you can either have a real republican (Romney) or you can have a pig with lipstick. I can tell you the pig with lipstick is much better looking and sounding. I'd take a pig with lipstick anyday over Romoney. And that is exactly what Obama is.

Thanks. Brux.
 
 
0 # lincolnimp 2012-10-11 12:50
I "neg" anyone who raises the race card.
 
 
+29 # readerz 2012-10-06 21:43
I kinda agree halfway. I was raised in a Republican town, and those people said conservative meant conservation of our forests (Teddy Roosevelt conservatism). I haven't seen people think that way since. Romney has been cozy with the extremists for months; suddenly he was borrowing part of a script, and lying about other parts. RSN has other articles about those lies. I'm disappointed that the President didn't force the conversation back to its original topics, but he was not the moderator, and he was trying to play by rules, which some thought was "weak." In the nuclear age, we really don't need a cowboy as POTUS. Jim Lehrer is probably too old to be a moderator. They should have picked a woman. Because of that performance, how about Rachel Maddow for the next debate.
 
 
+27 # Doctoretty 2012-10-07 05:33
I was raised in Teddy Roosevelt's HOME town. And he would not be a Republican today.
 
 
+17 # Ray Kondrasuk 2012-10-07 05:39
readerz, I'm puzzled, too.

Why do liberals want to conserve old growth forests, and conservatives want to liberally log them off?
 
 
+3 # futhark 2012-10-08 21:16
The reason is that "liberals" are, by and large, the group most interested in conserving and preserving our natural resources, public health, and universal access to educational opportunities. These are the real sources of national wealth and security. Many "conservatives" want to deplete and squander natural resources, deprive lower income people of access to affordable medical care, and make educational advancement an exclusive privilege of their wealthy elite.

The eventual and inevitable consequence of such a program is to destabilize the natural environment, put the economy in wildly gyrating boom and bust cycles, and undermine public confidence in democratic government as poorer people are effectively disenfranchised on the basis of their lack of wealth and/or education. These tendencies, if allowed to continue, lead to increased vulnerability to external attack and, eventually, to civil war.
 
 
+26 # futhark 2012-10-07 00:23
The present whole political system in America is based on fear, both in the Republican and Democratic Parties. The Republicans seem to be more inclined to raise alarms at slighter provocations, but both parties try to build support by claiming to protect the American people from bogeymen. This is a cheap trick that has been employed by dictators, oligarchs, and other tyrants for centuries. Trying to live without fear channeling your thoughts and attitudes has become one of the hardest things for Americans to do, especially for the ones who enjoy more prosperity.

Stop hating Muslims, pick up an occasional hitch hiker, and give the next panhandler your run into a couple of bucks. You may be surprised how much better you feel about yourself and more optimistic you become. Support what is ethically right, not "the lesser of two evils".
 
 
0 # independentmind 2012-10-08 09:52
Thank you! You have hit the nail on the head.
 
 
+3 # Granny Weatherwax 2012-10-08 12:50
Well said, Futhark.

As for peddling fear:
"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

(Hermann Goering)
 
 
+18 # ritaague 2012-10-07 00:34
Yep, Eldon, you hit the nail on the head when citing "...fear that the workers would take over "too much power"...". For, that's what this evil coup is all about - greed and power addiction of the villainaire rulers. And, per usual, Prof. Noam is making us all think (ouch, that hurts, but correct he is - think we must, a.k.a. being rational, and trashing all the karlroving MSD - manipulation, spin, distraction, and instead, zeroing in on what is really vital to debate/act upon).
 
 
+1 # brux 2012-10-06 19:46
Noamy homey .... this debate was on the economy, so no wonder all of that stuff was missing.

This is as on point and sharp as you can be ... when the leader of the free world performs like this, all you can talk about is global warming?

How about some ideas as to what Americans with a brain can do to get out from under the inertia of 250 million idiot Americans who have no idea of what is going on, and a government who by the day learns how to exploit that for the benefit of the 1%?

I guess I expect a little more from my favorite intellectual!
 
 
+18 # Eliza D 2012-10-07 07:12
What Mr. Chomsky is saying, is that the issues described are of paramount importance and no one in high office is discussing them. You know what to do, brux. You can write letters to editors of newspapers, to your congressional representatives , participate in protests (like Daryl Hannah just did). You can educate others in a patient and non-judgmental way. Mr. Chomsky is a writer, and as you observed, an intellectual, therefore, on the thinking, rather than the action side of things. I appreciate his clarifying the whole election extravaganza so beautifully.Man y of the comments here give the simplistic "I hate Republicans" response, which is really off-topic. We must move beyond that. For me, this means voting third party and giving whatever money I can, since neither Obama nor Romney seemed very concerned about the blighted earth we are leaving our children.
 
 
-1 # brux 2012-10-07 15:00
God you honestly sound just like the Republican thralls who sit on their message board boards and just slap each other on the back and "like" each other's posts.

RSN people here are a little unnerving in their knee-jerk reactions ... and to put the lie to what you imbued with Chomsky ... the debate was on domestic economic issues ... virtually nothing he talked about, and nothing he talked about was vital or relevant to what is going on in the country.

But by all means play to the choir and collect your charity points!
 
 
0 # independentmind 2012-10-08 10:06
I would like to see more discussion on the things Mr. Chomsky is talking about. Foreign affairs are an important part of the role of the president - more so than press coverage would indicate, because Americans think the sun revolves around them. We are also not addressing out of proportion role that Israel has in American politics.

The whole debate on the economy was one huge mess and quite frankly a waste of time. The issues they should have been addressing like controlling the banks, were only touched upon with platitudes. One question on the economy should have been enough - as we are not about to hear anything new or exciting on that topic from either side, and because quite frankly the president's powers to affect the course of the economy are limited at best! If these debates are not going to be anything other than political ads, then we should just switch off the TV.

Where are the hard hitting journalists when you need them, and since when did any presidential candidate ever take the risk of addressing the difficult and controversial topics?
 
 
-69 # Abigail 2012-10-06 19:49
Long before there were people, long before there were smoke stacks, long before there were automobile emissions... there were long periods of global warming and cooling. There were multiple Ice Ages, interspersed with periods of much warmth(as evidenced by fossils of palm trees near the Great Lakes), and not one human being contributing to them. Why are we now putting the onus of climate change on the activities of human beings? Please explain.
 
 
+15 # brux 2012-10-06 20:55
Surely you jest?
 
 
-21 # brux 2012-10-06 21:02
I got to admit ... I think Chomsky, who is a real encyclopedia has reached his serve by date.

At a time when the so-called leader of the free world, and leader of the so-called Democratic Party has without explanation or apology let down and failed most of the country for Chomsky to he re-warming his political meat and potatoes arguments I have heard and read hundreds or times now, just seems about as deflating as Obama's debate performance.

Right now, I am not interested in any of that stuff - except as to how it would relate to giving the American peolpe a clear alternative to the corporatocracy Chomsky roundly criticizes when it comes to anything Israel.

I just have to say, this sounds BS to me. It's a waste of time and Chomsky seems to be totally losing focus, probably because this underlying thesis that he has always carried around is that things are getting better over time.

Noam!, as our wise elder of the tribe, we expect something from you in terms of leadership and relevance - and we want the people who we give fame, wealth and power to to work for the people, not turn around and shine us on or kick us in the face.
 
 
+1 # Granny Weatherwax 2012-10-08 12:54
I disagree.
The two points Chomsky raise are rightfully the most important that could be raised at this time, no matter what the debate is supposed to be about.
 
 
+18 # Carbonman1950 2012-10-06 21:50
If I understand you correctly you're argument is essentially...

Because there were forest fires before the human species was present on the planet, human beings cannot cause forest fires?

Because that is what you are saying.
 
 
+29 # maddave 2012-10-06 21:59
One cannot deny that humans pollute, cripple or destroy forests, croplands, rivers, lakes, subterranean aquifers, fisheries, non-human animal populations and the very air that we breathe. So, have we not proved---to the satisfaction of all but the most obtuse and those who profit from the rape of Mother Earth---that we are fully willing and able to destroy ALL that we survey---our climate, our planet and our progeny included?
 
 
+5 # brux 2012-10-07 20:38
Yes, read Jared Diamond's books "Collapse" or "The Third Chimapanzee" to understand just how much human beings have destroyed of the Earth environment and species. In the past it was unconscious and we had no idea what we were doing ... we simply cannot pretend that anymore.
 
 
+15 # futhark 2012-10-07 00:02
The following books may be available through your public library. They were written by University of Washington paleontologist Peter D. Ward and are not excessively technical.

"Under A Green Sky" and "Flooded Earth"

It is your obligation as a steward of this planet to educate yourself on this vital issue. If your inquiry is sincere, I think you may find these books and the references in them very helpful.
 
 
+15 # Holmes 2012-10-07 02:42
Good question, but the records are in the rocks and ice. Long before people were many, there were variations in the way the globe was warmed. This triggered ice ages or warming. For example the Milankovitch cycles.

What is scary is that humans have added to the relative normal levels of green house gases (well for the last 3-5 million years or so) so that we are at a point which has not been seen for last 15 million years or so, and sea levels were 75-120 feet and temps up 5 to 10 degrees up. That would tend to swamp most major cities on river deltas. Where do the people go??

Humans have increased the level of CO2 to ~400 ppm from 275 ppm through land clearing, and fossil fuel use since the start of the industrial revolution. Also have a look at the potential methane releases from a warmer Arctic as well as our fracking.
 
 
+23 # Glen 2012-10-07 04:37
Abigail, it is the rapidity of this newest event, along with chemicals on the planet and in the atmosphere that did not exist in the distant past. Those chemicals are heavily contributing to the changes we are experiencing. Most serious researchers, and many have been studying the atmosphere their entire adult lives, give very little hope of reversing the damage done by the chemicals, most especially since there is no attempt to end the dumping of same. There is also no stopping human activities, such as cutting down millions of trees, which also affects climate.

Human activities are very dramatic.
 
 
+14 # aljoschu 2012-10-07 07:24
Dear Abigail,
I am assuming you ask with sincerity. As many of the commenters wrote, there is plenty of evidence that this time climate and environmental change has been induced by human intervention, specifically by significantly contributing to the rise of CO2 levels in the atmosphere. According to what we observe, it has been the excessive way of life of mainly our contemporary generation that left a very damaging foot print on the earth's surface. Currently, we observe that the predicted changes in the world's climate and the natural environment are even accelerating to a pace beyond what has been expected so far.
We already know that the consequences for the human race, i.e. for our children and children's children, will be beyond what we are currently able to grasp: rising sea levels, tremendous floods in many heavily populated costal regions, desertification in other areas leading to mass migrations of people who lost their livelihood in many parts of the world. As a consequence, there will be new kinds of wars for water, for land and for pure survival.
Be assured: Your US military strategists have already run through all kinds of conflict scenarios that your country will have to face as a consequence of this devastating humen foot print which foremostly your county, the USA, has caused. Even though your presidential candidates would never dear to talk about this in public.
So, as they say here in Europe: Don't happy - be worry!
 
 
+11 # reiverpacific 2012-10-07 08:07
Quoting Abigail:
Long before there were people, long before there were smoke stacks, long before there were automobile emissions... there were long periods of global warming and cooling. There were multiple Ice Ages, interspersed with periods of much warmth(as evidenced by fossils of palm trees near the Great Lakes), and not one human being contributing to them. Why are we now putting the onus of climate change on the activities of human beings? Please explain.

OK, I'll try to take you seriously here.
Homo Sapiens din't exist in the early formative settling and torment of the planet's long developmental millennia. We didn't have scientists until relatively recently, nor did we have the means to artificially pollute the planet and bring about our own annihilation and that of everything that lives, breathes, flies, swims, crawls, or evolves in this beautiful miracle of diversity we call home which exists in a tiny "Goldilocks zone" of probability for the evolution of intelligent life.
From comments like yours in the face of proven and published facts by those qualified and unafraid to do so, being consistently and conveniently ignored in concert with the dominant power-drunk-qui ck-profit forces, it looks like the word "Intelligent" is a bit of a misnomer dunnit?!
We are becoming a cancer on our own mother-body.
As Robert Burns wrote "O' wad some power the giftie gei us, to see ourselves as others see us".
 
 
+1 # independentmind 2012-10-08 10:15
Abigail, what you state is true, there are a lot of factors that affect earth's climate, and those cycles (the angle of earth's axis, whether earth's path is along a circular or elliptical path) these all contribute to the climate, BUT so does human activity and it is clear that we are contributing much more than we should.

The concern is that we create a "snowball effect" that will make the climate so different that we may not be able to feed the population that will be leveling off at about 9 billion by 2050. It is very complicated but we are definitely causing some changes that will have extremely negative effect on our descendants.
 
 
0 # noitall 2012-10-08 13:25
There are natural things that have always happened that cause 'abnormalities' with the atmosphere, tis true BUT these things happen regardless of whether there are critters here or not. These 'critters', humans, are masters at competing with the violent and polluting outputs of Nature, something Nature doesn't necessarily count on but here we are, justifying our output of shit by what Nature has always done. Nature is the master, not us. We are the shit.
 
 
+9 # fredboy 2012-10-06 20:12
Amen. It has mainly been broad claims and allegations and emotional appeals. The real ringmasters will not allow anything more.
 
 
+12 # Liberalthinker 2012-10-06 20:49
Noam is not just an intellectual liberal ,he's a somewhat RADICAL liberal..but ,dear Abby, NOW that the world is inhabited by more "civilized " humans ,should we all just say :"That's the way it is ", and ignore the fact that there ARE things we can do as responsible inhabitants of our planet to make climate change less destructive ? Please explain.
 
 
-18 # Doctoretty 2012-10-07 05:36
Noam is not the left. He is the extreme left and for his own twisted reasons, hates Israel, no matter who is in it's government.
 
 
+7 # Human Right 2012-10-06 21:21
We voted for Obama & change
What they got was a president who took the entire defense department bureaucracy of a previously discredited administration into his administration inclusive of the Generals, Secretary of Defense and all the rest ( this has never happened before); then gave us more phony war. While president Obama was receiving the “Nobel Peace prize” he simultaneously and successfully defended the architect of torture in a San Francisco federal court. In addition, he sidetracked attempts of the ACLU to remove the illegal overseas prisons and never gave even a feeble attempt to close the infamous Guantanamo prison. He has never tried to return our revered habeas corpus or remove the immoral, illegal, Patriot Act. As this is written he has placed ill advised military intimidation and economic sanctions over innocent Iranian people and continues to fund the illegal Zionist settlers three generations removed from WWII, (many from New York) in the Middle East. Recently Obama signed a law (National Defense Authorization Act) making the “Patriot Act” permanent and the USA is now officially a military/police state with the habeas corpus long gone.
 
 
-10 # tahoevalleylines 2012-10-06 21:35
Remember, Pakistan is right next to Iran for arsenal change; Noam, what were you thinking? Israel erased is just job #1 on list of aims & goals of little Muslims as soon as they see the children's books with Jews as apes...) Then all is peace on earth?

Global warming will happen most assuredly with the carbon overshoot how in progress. Time to re-orient transport, upgrade water resource engineerng (NAWAPA).

Special to esteemed Noam: Please see Gerardo Jaffe's page "F.L.A.M.E." for lively conversation on your treatment of Israel. A time for intellectual moderation of Israel's affairs was May 1967, when protection of Egyptians was called for; human shields along the border would have saved West Bank for local residents.

Another opportunity lost was just prior to the 1972 Olympics, when a large contingent of PhD's and visiting fellows of note coulda formed a human ring around the Olympic village, and the Israeli athlete's apartment... Other incidents of too little too late come to mind. 1976 (hijacked airplane); 1985 (Achille Lauro). Wish you had been
there, Noam. It would add some first person quality to your writings on Israel.

Oil pays for war industry. America and the EU and China & India all find transport and distribution based on less fuel efficient rubber tire mode preferable to railway based transport. Does anyone have Richard Heinberg's address?
 
 
+12 # readerz 2012-10-06 21:36
Economics and health care affect:

1. Women. That was hush-hush in the debate, although it is one of the biggest differences, how women are treated by the two Parties. They didn't need to touch on abortion; they could have stuck to equal pay for equal work. But women need more healthcare; read my lips: p r e g n a n c y.

2. Global warming. Good rehash, actually, the arctic ice minimum for 2007, the second worst year, is still more ice than it is right now today. This fits into economics in exploitation: shipping and methane exploitation instead of protecting the jet stream that prevents deserts. The Great Plains and other places around the globe have been having terrible extreme droughts because the jet stream is stuck; there is no warm to cold wind pump in the arctic during the summer. We are stuck in the doldrums, and all the Republicans care about is shipping (which uses our military to protect) and oil. The USGS (U.S. Geological Survey) sent a ship up there supposedly to measure carbon absorption (yeah right) but first priority is how big is the continental shelf so they can claim it and drill baby. Carbon absorption? Sure it is a sensitive place, but how about measuring carbon in the path of the smokestacks?

3. Nuclear: also defense INDUSTRY, a losing money export of the U.S. But Mitt showed what he will do for nuclear: he will bully others, anger others, and let everything fly apart.
 
 
+12 # janie1893 2012-10-06 22:36
to Abigail---becau se if we do not try to moderate climate change and/or learn to cope with it, we will be an extinct specie.

There is only one solution to the nuclear weapon issue at this time. That is diplomacy by world leaders to convince all countries to stop making and never again use nuclear weapons. Again, if we do not find a way to do this,mankind will be extinct. I believe The USA and Israel are the biggest threats to civilization at the present time.

One happy note about we humans killing ourselves off----no other living entity on the planet will even notice, let alone care, and the earth will mend itself.
 
 
-1 # hjsteed 2012-10-07 00:46
Are the Russians dumping nuclear waste in the Arctic Ocean?

If so, could that be a factor in melting the ice cap and making it easier to drill for oil while destroying life as we know it?
 
 
+8 # Smokey 2012-10-07 01:10
Something is happening in the environment - you can call it "climate change" or you can call it "chopped liver" - and it's becoming very obvious every spring and summer. Extended droughts, major heat waves, extreme weather events, and related problems are having a big impact on the economy.

West Nile virus has been found in the mosquito population in New England The Lyme disease season has been extended. Something is happening.

So what do we get in response?

Al Gore and his buddies worry about the fate of the polar bears. They propose conservation and "green energy" programs that - maybe - will produce some "trickle down" results in 30-50 years. Meanwhile, let the nation sweat... Dealing with the here and now problems of climate change - for example,
improving FEMA and public health services - doesn't interest the big environmental protection groups.


Conservatives? They don't believe in "climate change." So they don't intend to do much of anything. If Missouri gets flooded and hit by a tornado epidemic - well, that's just too bad. Cut back on FEMA.

Economics and the environment? The connection is obvious. Ask the farmer who experiences three years of crop failures.
 
 
-6 # barbaratodish 2012-10-07 01:15
Chomsky says"...(T)he(p ublic relations) industry...in the interests of the...paymaster s certainly don't want to see informed citizens making logical choices." Well, neither does Chomsky himself seem to want to make logical choices, because he refuses to see the ego and drama and the "RELIGION" THAT IS DEPRESSION", namely that ALL identity politics including Noam Chomsky's identity politics that he focuses on in this article IS "RELIGION"! Chomsky adopts global warming,& nuclear war as his IDENTITY politics off ear,and distraction,ins tead of becoming aware that all distractions of fear are symptoms of ego and drama that distance us from the LOGIC of SELF VALIDITY! We can replace IDENTITY so that we can all choose HUMANITY instead of ego and drama! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkh8cpkjEsA I'm almost positive that this comment and video will never be seen because moderators reading this will ALSO have to risk being aware that they themselves prefer being illogical and want to remain addicted to ego and drama! I myself have life/death issues to be concerned with, namely that I'm so much like a black male that I have to worry about being treated like most black males are treated, namely I am always at risk for "death by cop" etc, because I'm considered to have the "balls" of a male and though I'm white, I "BEHAVE" BLACK, as I'm frequently told by my mostly urban black students at Essex County College in Newark, NJ: "Barbara, you're the BLACKEST WHITE WOMAN WE KNOW!" My logic!
 
 
+9 # Peakspecies 2012-10-07 08:17
Brovo Mr. Chomsky. You've hit two nails on the head that are off the table for most of the homo sapiens species that occupy this planet. Another topic that dropped off the table in the mid-1980s was the threat of the planet's exponentially growing human population. In response to the impending planetary life support system collapse our protective natural denial mechanisms are showing their muster.

Of the 29 comments, that followed this article, many hardly touched on the issues Chomsky addressed. None addressed the following point he made. "This reaction demonstrates an extraordinary willingness to sacrifice the lives of our children and grandchildren for short-term gain." Billions of people continue to distract themselves via procreation and sometimes justify that by claiming future generations will find the solutions that we couldn't. How may of us consider the ethics of adding to the human glut, for even the kid's sake?

One commenter commented about the planet going on despite the loss of humans. Our egos tend to blind us to the fact we are taking down millions of species along with us. But then again, why would any other organisims want to survive without the company of our egos.
 
 
+3 # Activista 2012-10-07 10:20
" threat of the planet's exponentially growing human population" with consumerism/ene rgy consumption/gre ed as a religion. In USA living on debt.
"Americans make up only 5% of the world's population and yet consume 20% of its energy"
www.worldpopulationbalance.org/population_energy
so both energy (materialistic crap) and population growth MUST be controlled. In population ecology one learns that with "standard of living" population growth goes to negative (Europe) but consumption growth exponentially - the threat of the planet is exponentially growing consumerism where US leads.
 
 
+3 # Peakspecies 2012-10-08 10:00
Exponential world population growth is rapidly overwhelming the attempts to reduce consumerism.

"Take, for example, a hypothetical American woman who switches to a more fuel-efficient car, drives less, recycles, installed more efficient light bulbs, and replaces her refrigerator and windows with energy-saving models. If she has two children, the researchers found, her carbon legacy would eventually rise to nearly 40 times what she had saved by those actions."

Source: Kate Galbraith, "Having Children Brings High Carbon Impact," New York Times, August 7, 2009.

Also see "Man Swarm and the Killing of Wildlife" by Dave Foreman.
 
 
+1 # Activista 2012-10-08 19:43
"hypothetical American woman who switches to a more fuel-efficient car, drives less, recycles, installed more efficient light bulbs, and replaces her refrigerator and windows with energy-saving models .." with any systemic thinking manufacturing cost (carbon legacy) is likely more than what 2 children consume (during their lifestyle) in Africa. And her 2 children continue her mother lifestyle - 2 more cars ...
The car became such a symbol/status/a ddiction of American life. Here people sit on expressway 2 hours each day in their $30 000 cars (most of them bought on credit card) getting cancer due to pollution they created - this is INSANE - Homo Destructor
 
 
+9 # Activista 2012-10-07 08:28
"Israel refuses to allow inspections or to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferati on Treaty^. It has hundreds of nuclear weapons and advanced delivery systems, and a long record of violence, aggression and lawlessness, thanks to unremitting American support"
Agree, both candidates are blind on the issue of Israel starting another war - militarism bankrupted USA.
There will be economic meltdown in the next year - but with militarism end the domestic situation will worsen (for the 99%)
 
 
-8 # brux 2012-10-07 15:08
The status with Israel is one area I totally disagree with Chomsky and I see no rationality for his support of radical Islam. I have listened to many of his CDs, DVDs and read his books, and mostly I agree with him or appreciate his opinions, but I think he is dangerously wrong when it comes to Islam.
 
 
0 # Activista 2012-10-08 19:56
"rationality for his support of radical Islam" ?
Did not read so much Chomsky - yes he is repetitive, BUT do not see ANY support for any fanatical ideology (there is pretty fanatical government in Israel right now, and this is what Chomsky criticizes).
Iranians, young in the cities, have good education, are pro-american. The difference is country - uneducated. Iran is a victim of USA/cold war policy. And now are victims of fanatic Netanyahu.
Could not comprehend how anybody with little scientific background can watch his "bomb" drawing and red lines crap.
The US and Israel both know that Iran does NOT have a nuclear weapons program
 
 
+1 # Granny Weatherwax 2012-10-08 13:02
Actually they are not (both) blind, they are just avoiding to hit the soar spot in public.
The recent news shows that the current sitting POTUS is well aware and has been as willing to temperate as politically possible while bibi has been pressing his advantage knowing that his political clout would deflate on the first Wednesday of November.
 
 
+3 # Kathymoi 2012-10-07 12:44
Remember in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy there was a planet where all the government officials were reptiles. This was a democray in which the public voted to elect the officials. And the public was made up mostly of humans, a more intelligent and creative species. When a visitor to the planet asked why humans didn't elect humans to the government, the answer was that the planet had a two party system, and all the humans feared what would happen if the reptile from the other party were elected.
 
 
+1 # brux 2012-10-07 15:05
LOL! I either missed of forgot about that one. Yes, we do have a lot of reptiles in leadership ... I wonder if we cut open and peeled back their skin if we would see aliens underneath!
 
 
0 # Granny Weatherwax 2012-10-08 13:03
Actually I don't remember that.
 
 
+12 # Kathymoi 2012-10-07 12:48
What we desperately need is organized and united public support for a candidate who is neither republican nor democrat but who represents the interests of the humans.
 
 
+9 # brux 2012-10-07 15:04
I kind of like Jill Stein ... since I live in California I'm thinking of voting for her. She was really awesome in the parallel debate on Democracy Now! last Wednesday night.
 
 
+1 # Activista 2012-10-08 20:02
I will vote for Jill Stein/Green Party in 2012 as I did vote for Green Party in 2008. also.
Watching the parallel debate on Democracy Now is a must. Best thing in media there.
Check also:
www.war-times.org/presidential_debate1
 
 
+10 # Big Jake 2012-10-07 13:16
Chomsky is a national treasure. While I disagree with most of his politics, his statements of fact are honest and refreshing.
I would remind him that unless we deal with a rapidly collapsing economy, we will likely fail with any real solutions to many of the problems he is concerned with. The elites that have created this economic nightmare have thus far been very successful. The most amazing part of this is the baffling of so many of the working poor into buying into their tea party nonsense. Stunning isn't it?
 
 
-2 # brux 2012-10-07 15:03
Yes , it is stunning and I don't think anything Chomsky wrote about here was relevant or point-ful to what is happening right now. NC is a treasure, but rehashing his same standard speech that he always gives does not seem to have a whole lot of point to it, except for those people who have to cling to their "puns and anti-religion".
 
 
+1 # Granny Weatherwax 2012-10-08 13:04
Actually I disagree with you there: a collapsing economy would decrease the production of CO2 and the yahoos in the middle east would be less likely to go at it with nuclear toys if there is not a pliable big brother from overseas to come to the rescue if the fighting gets sour.
 
 
0 # TomThumb 2012-10-07 23:30
Nial Ferguson has specualted on an entity called Chimerica, the fusion of Chinese and American economies. There is a similar entity fusing the American and Israel defense and foreign policy establishments. Both the American and Israeli public should think long and hard about whether this entity is in their best interests.
America has changed to the point that the only way it deals with problems is the short term profit motive. Some years ago, the coal companies featured an older television spokesman who compared the environment with a Timex watch. "Takes a licking and keeps on ticking." This given with no evidence. It undoubtebly will though, just maybe without humans. Tommy Rimes
 
 
0 # DurangoKid 2012-10-11 22:02
Another factor in the cost of business is energy. By 2020 we'll be well down the backside of Hubbert's Peak and no one in either party has done squat to address this fundamental issue. In this universe nothing moves without energy. Nothing is transformed without energy. Oil is still the transport fuel of choice. The production peak is happening now. Coal will suffer the same process in a couple of decades or less. I have yet to see any substantial investments in infrastructure that runs without coal, oil, or gas. Even the so-called alternative energy sources need fossil fuels to build and maintain. Has anyone run a steel rolling mill with a wind turbine or wave energy? As Jarred Diamond points out in Collapse, if the elites are removed from the consequences of their actions, society will crash sooner or later. To prevent the coming collapse perhaps we need to start a discussion on how to swap out the current political class for people who actually have a better idea of how the universe works. Left to their own devices the current crop of nabobs will surely run us over a cliff or into a wall. I don't care to end up like Wile E. Coyote.
 

THE NEW STREAMLINED RSN LOGIN PROCESS: Register once, then login and you are ready to comment. All you need is a Username and a Password of your choosing and you are free to comment whenever you like! Welcome to the Reader Supported News community.

RSNRSN