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Taibbi writes: "I think both candidates lost. I think they both sucked. Romney told a series of outright lies - the bit about the pre-existing conditions was incredible - while Barack Obama seemed unaccountably disinterested in the intellectual challenge of the exercise, repeatedly leaving the gross absurdities hurled his way by Romney unchallenged."

President Obama (r.) greets Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney during the first presidential debate at the University of Denver on Wednesday. (photo: David Goldman/AP)
President Obama (r.) greets Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney during the first presidential debate at the University of Denver on Wednesday. (photo: David Goldman/AP)


Mitt Romney Wins All-Important BS Contest

By Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone

06 October 12

 

didn't watch the debate - I just couldn't. I read it in transcript form afterwards. I know it is widely believed that Mitt Romney won, but I don't agree. I think both candidates lost. I think they both sucked. Romney told a series of outright lies - the bit about the pre-existing conditions was incredible - while Barack Obama seemed unaccountably disinterested in the intellectual challenge of the exercise, repeatedly leaving the gross absurdities hurled his way by Romney unchallenged.

Romney's performance was better than Obama's, but only if you throw out criteria like "wasn't 100% full of shit from the opening bell" and "made an actual attempt to explain who he is and what his plans are." Unfortunately, that is good enough for our news media, which drools over the gamesmanship aspects of these debates, because it loves candidates who sink their teeth into the horse-race nonsense that they think validates their professional lives.

For instance: in my local paper, the Star-Ledger in New Jersey, I read an analysis entitled, "Romney's debate performance was presidential game changer, analysts say."

The unnamed authors of this analysis delivered a blizzard of sports metaphors about Romney's performance. "It's a new race for the White House," they said, after Romney "changed the game with an aggressive, confident performance" - needed, because "Obama's forces had hinted earlier that all they needed from the debate was one good punch to knock Romney out," after the challenger "spent the summer and early fall stumbling."

On the internet, they complemented this keen analysis with a cartoon picture of the two candidates as superheroes punching each other, complete with "Pow!" and "Bam!" Batman-style effects.

Why was Romney so effective, according to the Star-Ledger? Because "the Romney viewers saw during the nationally televised debate from Denver was the one his friends have long known: a conversational, smart, decent-on-his-feet guy, eager to defend his plans to cut taxes and change government health insurance for future generations."

Obama, meanwhile, came off as "wonky and lacking punch," because he was "so intent on answering questions."

The piece literally had nothing to say about the substance or accuracy of the two arguments. Like, not one thing. It did, however, speculate that Obama might be in trouble if his performance ended up getting parodied on the Daily Show, because he might end up with a reputation for being "too academic, too cold and uneasy with being challenged."

What the hell does any of this have to do with being president? It's one thing for reporters to talk shop behind the scenes about which candidate they think is doing a better job of slinging bull. But to legitimize it as real is just nuts.

Analysts like this were, however, right in a way. Romney did come across as the more confident and aggressive candidate, and Obama did come across as "wonky" and "lacking punch." Just visually and dramatically, Romney met the spectacle on its terms better than Obama did, much the way John F. Kennedy did in his celebrated debate with Richard Nixon. In that legendary meeting, radio viewers thought Nixon won, but TV viewers, blown away by Kennedy's smile and tan, thought was a landslide for the Democrat.

Journalists who cite that Nixon-Kennedy debate always forget that the lesson of that night is that the new broadcast media technology made superficiality and nonsense more important - that thanks to the press, it was now possible to get someone elected to the most powerful office on earth because he had a superior tan. Reporters love this story because it reminds everyone that the medium they work in has the power to overcome substance and decide elections all by itself. What's amazing is that they don't have the good sense to be ashamed of this.

I read the transcript of the debate and all I got from Romney was either outright factual lies, or total rhetorical dishonesty. He even tried out a version of the for-years-debunked death panel business:

In order to bring the cost of health care down, we don't need to have a - an - a board of 15 people telling us what kinds of treatments we should have.

Really? Hey, Mitt - what do you think health insurance is? It is, by definition, a bunch of people deciding what kinds of treatments we should have.

Of course, Romney's point is that there's allegedly going to be a bloodless government board somewhere deciding upon treatment options, as opposed to some bloodless corporate board making those decisions, but even that's not true at all. Romney was talking about the Independent Payment Advisory Board, which exists solely to make cuts in Medicare if its costs rise beyond a certain level and congress doesn't do anything about them.

That board is specifically barred by law from making the kinds of care decisions Romney is talking about. Obama did at least point this out, but weakly, and that's not even the point. I mean, practically in the same breath of his "unelected board" attack, Romney criticized Obama's plan because it cut Medicare. So he's clearly not against government bureaucrats making decisions about treatment, because what the hell does Romney think Medicare does? He should try getting an eye job and billing Medicare for it. The whole thing was a non-sequitur, insincere and substantively meaningless - but if you had no clue what you were watching, it looked like Romney was confidently attacking and Obama was backtracking.

Romney's entire debate performance was like this. He said absolutely nothing, but got lots of credit for style points. Here's Romney's answer on what budget cuts he would make, addressing perhaps-soon-to-be-ex-PBS employee, Jim Lehrer:

I'm sorry, Jim. I'm going to stop the subsidy to PBS. I'm going to stop other things. I like PBS. I love Big Bird. I actually like you too. But I'm not going to - I'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from China to pay for it. That's number one.

Number two, I'll take programs that are currently good programs but I think could be run more efficiently at the state level and send them to state.

Number three, I'll make government more efficient, and to cut back the number of employees, combine some agencies and departments. My cutbacks will be done through attrition, by the way.

So the answer to the question, "What will you do to rein in the biggest budget deficit in history?" comes down to, "I'll cut PBS, which is about one millionth of the federal budget, and some other stuff."

For God's sake - "I'll take programs that could be run more efficiently at state and send them to state"? Is that a joke? That's worse than a Bill Belichick answer: "What's our plan against the Broncos? We're going to watch the film and do what's best for our football team."

Reporters should have instantly pelted Romney with bags of dogshit for insulting the American people with this ridiculous non-answer, but he was instead praised for the canny "strategy" hidden in the response. Despite the fact that Romney is running as a budget hawk and yet has refused to name any actual programs (except Obamacare and PBS) he will cut, reporters gave him credit in the debate for being willing to be the bearer of bad budgetary news, because he essentially advance-fired Jim Lehrer on TV. Many also complimented the "humor" of the line about Big Bird.

Typically, Obama is the recipient of the breathless media plaudits for meaningless imageering and iconography, but Romney scooped it all up this time. Ugh. At least there are only two more!

 

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+115 # brux 2012-10-06 11:06
Pretty clear now why they ban third parties from the debate ... both of these candidates would have looked like idiots against a Ralph Nader or even Jill Stein.

The one party two-faced system we have would come to an end.
 
 
+9 # Texan 4 Peace 2012-10-07 20:52
They learned their lesson with Ross Perot -- whose most notable effect at his presidential debate was how similar he made the other two candidates seem.
 
 
+4 # noitall 2012-10-08 09:43
The Democracy Now! 'expanded' debates were great! Jill Stein clearly kicked ass.
 
 
0 # Eduardo3 2012-10-09 22:18
Very true. Both she and Rocky Anderson actually dealt with the issues in a much more substantive and impassioned way.
 
 
+6 # noitall 2012-10-08 09:46
With the pundits declaring Mitt the winner of the "debate", Mitt's "win" leaves him wearing the dubious medal of one winning a shit eating contest.
 
 
+128 # AMLLLLL 2012-10-06 11:13
So, does this mean that Romney wants to go to war with Iran and borrow from China to do so? Let's see...going to war with Iran....saving Big Bird....I think I'll go with Big Bird.
 
 
+63 # James Wilson 2012-10-06 11:14
Hyped-up Crazed Used Car Salesman on Crack VS. Sucker that Bought Used Car From Said Salesman
 
 
-28 # NOMINAE 2012-10-06 12:38
@ James Wilson

Great analogy ! I thought Mitt must have just downed his first cup of coffee !

Aside from all the lies on both sides, I have to take Matt to task for a second.

Really, Matt .."radio viewers"? I know you weren't around at the time you discuss, but your fact checkers used to be better than Mitt's !

People who used radios back in the day were "listeners" rather than "viewers" most of the time. Trust me, I was there.
 
 
+24 # soularddave 2012-10-06 16:09
I don't have a TV, so I view the world through the many great programs on the radio. Many of my friends noted that they couldn't bear to watch the candidates, so they viewed the debate without the visual images.

Just sayin'
 
 
-6 # NOMINAE 2012-10-06 17:05
@ soulardave

WoW ! Bit of a monster stretch there.
Enough to make a spin doctor proud.

BTW, I know nothing about soulardave's personal case, but have you ever noticed how many people who *aggressively* "don't have TVs" *DO* have computers upon which they can view televised content by the hours?

Just sayin'
 
 
+32 # readerz 2012-10-06 17:29
More like used car salesman on crack not letting the customers see that there are no brakes and the transmission is broken, and the engine needs a ring job. Mitt shouted down the President, said Jim Lehrer would be fired (although Lehrer is past retirement and probably doesn't need the job); I didn't know the debate was about foreign policy, but just think of that demeanor when talking to foreign heads of state. And considering his choice of running mate, who would be the Secretary of State, Akin? Bachman? Or are they just going to aim nukes at the rest of the world? Since when have all the media not cared that a person could cause WWIII?
 
 
+93 # Barbara K 2012-10-06 11:15
BS Contest, yes, that is what Romneyhood turned the debate into. You are spot on with that. He can spout so much and say nothing. He shook the old Etch a Sketch and changed his rhetoric completely the opposite from what he had been campaigning on. Who can debate a guy that changes everything he says to suit his circumstance? It does prove a very important point: Romneyhood stands for nothing. This is the "Nowhere man" personified. He is even trying to steal some of Obama's agenda since his own isn't working for him. Well, good luck with that one, his people don't like the Obama agenda. We cannot believe a single word that spills from the mouth of Romneyhood and that means we cannot trust him either. He has no morals, no scruples, no honesty about him. Not what we want in a President.

Bye bye Romneyhood.
 
 
-16 # brux 2012-10-06 11:36
Obama seems to just as much stand for nothing.

It was very telling that he said his Social Security plan and Romney's were about thesame ... he will not do what is necessary to fix social security for good ... that is raise the ceiling on contributions.

I'd wager he is going to maintain the Bush tax cuts again if he can get himself re-elected through some kind of sad BS story like last time.

Maybe what had Obama so down was his realization that he has stabbed in the back the very people he has to claim to be fighting for every day ... and he is not as good at fooling himself as Romney and was having guilt pangs.
 
 
+48 # WestWinds 2012-10-06 13:42
I don't think he was having guilt pangs. I think he was right on script. Since the very beginning, he has done nothing but due deference to the corporate Right. He was just not going to torque off any Right-wing leaders or constituents. Some say it's because he is afraid of being portrayed as an angry black man. I say he's hoping for Right-wing constituent votes from any of those disillusioned with Romney, and he's auditioning for a job in the corporate sector after he finishes up in the White House. I've never really ever seen him go on the offensive where the Right is concerned. He is a corporatist and they are corporatists. As such, they may have different approaches to the same problems, but at the end of the day, both of them work for the same 17 ugly, old, greedy white men that are currently screwing this country to the wall. The American people are nowhere in their equations; Right or Left. If we want any kind of change in DC, then we'd better make sure we put in a Congress that answers to We the People and not the Gang of 17. And that means getting all of those Tea-gaggers OUT of the House of Representatives . So, for heaven's sake, GET OUT AND VOTE!!!
 
 
+4 # RLF 2012-10-07 03:25
Problem is...Who do you put in. There is no way for people to run who are not mainstream corporatists.
 
 
+17 # pbbrodie 2012-10-07 07:00
Not true at all. Elizabeth Warren is no corporatist and neither is Alan Grayson. We simply have to work extremely hard to find and support these people to get them elected. It will be considerably easier to change the Democratic Party this way than to try to create a third party and completely change or current system.
 
 
+12 # Spence 2012-10-07 11:48
In spite of the fact that Elizabeth Warren is one of the most qualified candidates to ever run for the Senate, it is a close race. Why?
 
 
+41 # soularddave 2012-10-06 16:18
The President can't "fix" Social Security, nor can he extend, modify, or end them. He certainly can sign, veto, or pocket veto a bill to do so, but that has to come from Congress - the Senate ratifies such a bill when it is introduced and passed in the House.

This is why it is soooo important to vote the right people into Congress, and that's really where our efforts should be the strongest. It could take another 4 years to eject the radical t-party reps from the House. We have neither the time nor the patience to wait for them to go. I suggest that we start recall procedures to get rid of them A.S.A.P.
 
 
+32 # readerz 2012-10-06 17:41
No coincidence that Rove is pouring millions to defeat good people like Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio. Any even slightly progressive Democrat needs help. Don't forget state, local, and judge positions as well: state representatives often keep the club going, and if it is conservative, tend to influence what goes on in the future. If you can vote early with a paper trail, do so.
 
 
+15 # RLF 2012-10-07 03:23
Exactly! Its easy to fix SS...get rid of the $110,000 cut off and make it means received. Why should I pay 8% and Mit pay .08% SS tax?
 
 
-11 # RLF 2012-10-07 03:22
Obama stole his agenda from Bill Clinton, who stole his agenda from Ronald Raygun. The minute Obama swears off the world free market and trickle down, Chicago school spookonomics... I'll think he is a democrat. You're so gun-ho that you must work for O.
 
 
+115 # cubberly 2012-10-06 11:26
Romney's Debate Strategy:

1.I am a CEO. Obama is only an ordinary person, who cannot comprehend how superior I am.

2.I have a terrific agenda for what I will do in office. I won't actually define it for you little people. So don't prod me for details.

3.Just ask anyone on Fox News about what Obama is doing wrong.

4.I just love William F. Buckley. I adore his sophisticated disdain for bleeding heart liberals. Practice the look of disdain. Wear it like a mask.

5.If Obama brings up anything I have said, just Etch-a-sketch.

6.Don't let anyone, especially that television whatshisname, try to tell me what to do.

7.Spend a lot of time in the makeup room. Don't get suckered with another cheap tan job.

8.Remember, no matter what I do or say, my media people will declare victory! That's what they are paid to do.
 
 
+12 # brux 2012-10-06 11:38
Why do you bring Buckley into this .. do you know his son took a lot of heat for supporting Obama against the rabid Conservatives.

I wonder what he is saying this cycle?
 
 
+69 # vitobonespur 2012-10-06 11:41
One thing that sticks out in my mind is when Obama was making a point and Romney interrupted him. Lehrer said nothing, and, worst of all, neither did Obama. What I hoped to hear was something like:

"WHOA! Stop right there. Gov. Romney, I know you and the people whom you represent don't like me. But then you like so few Black Americans. But remember, I am STILL the President of the United States and I ask that you treat me with respect and let me finish speaking."
 
 
+17 # 666 2012-10-06 12:34
i think they were all just following the pre-written script (pre-written by alec or some such private industry group)
 
 
+19 # Glen 2012-10-06 13:23
I'm with you, 666. This is more entertainment, feeding amazing profits for the media and those who participate in the game and stage show. The game is fixed and the actors paid well.

Want to make a bet that Obama will "win" the next debate?
 
 
+11 # Cassandra2012 2012-10-06 13:55
Hmm 666 wouldn't that number seem more appropriate for Mitt??
 
 
0 # 666 2012-10-09 05:18
nah, hello mitty is just a sub-demon
 
 
+8 # Kasandra 2012-10-06 16:01
i"m wondering why Obama and Romney joked together during the beginning and ending of their supposedly opposed views. Was there some kind of silent agreement between them? were they laughing and joking at US?
 
 
+14 # ghostperson 2012-10-06 22:26
Please....I want to see the angry Black man especially hurling facts as the weapon of choice.

I was so stunned by Obama's docility and lack of fight at this moment that I was yelling at the TV. Then, when the Mormon prince seized control of my television set and also of the moderator who sat there like plankton, when (mendacious) shit for brains babbled about killing kiddie icon, Big Bird, all I could think of was that this was had to be an outer body episode of Twilight Zone. What Romney won was the motor-mouth award for spewing the most propaganda in the least amount of time because the leader of the free world was obviously playing with his Blackberry or otherwise engaged.
 
 
+27 # Merschrod 2012-10-06 11:49
The real looser was Jim Lehr 0 he needs to be let out to pasture.

The makeup artists for both men need to be fired - no life on those grey skins.

Or, perhaps the lighting manager switched colors on them?
 
 
+2 # terrison 2012-10-07 02:47
Quoting Merschrod:
The real looser was Jim Lehr 0 he needs to be let out to pasture.

The makeup artists for both men need to be fired - no life on those grey skins.

Or, perhaps the lighting manager switched colos on them?


This non-comment, and the few before it sound
exactly like the ones the ridiculous pundits were making about Mitt winning on "style points." Who cares about the lighting colors on their faces? Did you miss the whole point of Matt's piece?
 
 
+122 # dyannne 2012-10-06 11:49
I could not believe my ears and eyes at what the pundits were saying after this debate. I was shrieking expletives at the TV screen when they declared Romney the winner. Hell, I was shrieking expletives during the debate at his bald-faced lies and his rude behavior. THIS is what people think is presidential??? While I agree that Obama was not as engaged as he should have been, I do think he was the better man for not lying, for being composed, rational and polite. Only once did he push the moderator and I think that was only because Mitt had done so repeatedly. Politics in this country is so important and treated so ridiculously by the press. Why is it allowed? It makes me sick, despairingly so.
 
 
+37 # AMLLLLL 2012-10-06 14:17
You were not alone here. In a womens' focus group they were not charmed by Romney's brash elbowing. Ten thousand bucks says the gender gap remains the same.
 
 
+34 # Doctoretty 2012-10-06 12:01
My sentiments exactly...Great job of getting catharsis for the rest of us too, Matt! Thanks!
 
 
+5 # fredboy 2012-10-06 12:05
Remember, via Herr Goebbels' playbook, that they tell no lies but instead say anything over and over again until it is deemed truth.

Master Obama, on the other hand, must have a beautiful belly button: He stared at it on national TV last Wednesday for 90 minutes. And left each lie unchallenged. Occasionally uttering "uh, uh" as if passing gas. If that was Presidential, we are in one hell of a mess.
 
 
+12 # Scott Griffith 2012-10-06 12:42
Agree with you, Matt. They both sucked. These occasions are pitifully weak. Please stop perpetuating weakness by publicly mis-using words: Obama was uninterested, not disintered.
 
 
+1 # Spence 2012-10-07 12:02
That is why we needed a challenger to the President and Democratic presidential primary debate. At least it would have sharpened Obama.
 
 
+44 # Regina 2012-10-06 12:43
Romney isn't there to be "presidential." He's there campaigning to be a front stooge who could, and would, sign on the dotted line wherever and whenever the back-room power-elite would direct him to do. He's there to sell his empty suit to the voters, who are expected to set him up with the desk and the pen (and the $400K annual pittance). Karl Rove and his squadron would take care of everything else. Meanwhile, the President has other things to do, some of them world-shaking, at the same time. He earns the presidential salary. Let's vote to keep paying him.
 
 
-61 # marstob 2012-10-06 13:04
My goodness, what comments preceding this - all negatives and without substance. And, that is putting it mildly - and obviously the commentators are Democrats - not being democratic. Living in a fantasyland while the country is drowning and losing all respect in the world. The Ambassador murdered - slaughtered if you will, along with the Seals and the President goes off to Las Vegas - the President being the Commander in Chief. A real does of reality? Copy Canada's performance of rules and regulations and see the country turn around - but, under Obama - socialism will bankrupt the country totally. Let each State be its own master and productivity will reign supreme.
 
 
+20 # Cdesignpdx 2012-10-06 15:09
You need to turn of FOX. The official report on the Ambassador is not yet out, but intel knew of the attack and moved the victims to a safe-house where the attack took place.
Makes one think that someone inside provided information to the terrorists, but unconfirmed to date.
 
 
+9 # CL38 2012-10-06 17:06
Go regurgitate this on Fox. They'll eat it up.
 
 
+3 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-07 22:38
I can only laugh at your missive. The Republicans have been turning college graduates into slaves with their userous interests rates. Obama stopped that. Cut out the bank pigs at the trough. Corporate welfare promoted by the military-indust rial complex-this corporate socialism is driving our country into bankruptcy. You have "slogan solutions" that literally mean nothing. Bush and Cheney using the American 9-1-1 shock to invade the wrong country-but in reality the "right" country to steal the Iraqi oil. 500,000 Iraqi civilians dead. Thousands of American men and women killed. Thousands and thousands of soldiers physically, intellectually maimed. "Let each state be its own master and............ " What a dumb comment. States were their own master in certain regards. Have you ever heard of slavery?
Have you ever heard of the Civil Rights Movment? Feel sorry for you!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
+16 # Smokey 2012-10-06 13:13
Is it possible that the liberals and the conservatives were both among the winners? Give it some thought.

Obama shifted around, and he looked uneasy, and, finally he declared that the "free enterprise system" makes America great. That made the conservatives smile. Of course, the big corporations don't really want free enterprise - what they want is government protection, subsidies, and rescue money - but that's a secret.

Romney did his usual flip-flop routine. He said that he loves government regulation and he loves Medicare. So he's moving towards the political middle and, already, he has betrayed his supporters in the Tea Party,
So the liberals, too, can celebrate.

Everybody gets to be a winner! Gosh, that's really nice.... I've thought about the recent debate. At first, I thought that it was a gigantic bore and rather pointless. Maybe I was right.
However, the debate was good for a few laughs. Keep smiling, America.
 
 
+43 # ispeakup 2012-10-06 13:16
Interesting that you said "They both SUCKED". Actually, Vampire Mitt was doing the sucking. He sucked the energy right out of the room, the President and the moderator! Even viewers were affected by his bad energy...some even turned their TVs off! Beware of the candidate who memorizes zingers without taking responsibility for the content. The real Mitt has no clue about the needs of average Americans. How could he when he won't even admit to his own true identity? Lies and egos are a dangerous combination. We've seen it before.

Hopefully voters will look beyond the facade of the wind-up Ken doll and give Obama another four years to finish the job he has executed so ably with dignity and perseverance in spite of a viscous and mean-spirited congress.
 
 
+15 # angelfish 2012-10-06 13:53
Quoting ispeakup:
Interesting that you said "They both SUCKED". Actually, Vampire Mitt was doing the sucking. He sucked the energy right out of the room, the President and the moderator! Even viewers were affected by his bad energy...some even turned their TVs off! Beware of the candidate who memorizes zingers without taking responsibility for the content. The real Mitt has no clue about the needs of average Americans. How could he when he won't even admit to his own true identity? Lies and egos are a dangerous combination. We've seen it before.

Hopefully voters will look beyond the facade of the wind-up Ken doll and give Obama another four years to finish the job he has executed so ably with dignity and perseverance in spite of a viscous and mean-spirited congress.

VERY Good ispeakup, you can speak for me, ANY day!
 
 
+37 # angelfish 2012-10-06 13:18
It was a Beauty Contest in the eyes of the Media. All style and NO substance. Romney LOOKED the part, President Obama looked tired. However, the President, at the very least, was TRUTHFUL. Romney had his lies well rehearsed and looked energized, if not high on something. Hopefully, he will get his clock THOROUGHLY cleaned in the next two contests. Just remember to never, EVER vote ReTHUGlican!
 
 
+4 # ghostperson 2012-10-06 23:22
Even the truth has to be well presented.
 
 
+33 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2012-10-06 13:35
Mitt Romney reminded me of Dan Quayle — impertinent, egocentric punk.

By the way, Paula Kerger, the head of PBS says pointed out that PBS raises six times as much money as it gets via federal funding.it is privately funded, and technically, it's the stations that get some government assistance: "We receive about 15 percent of our funding from the federal government. Thats an aggregate number. The funding actually goes to our stations, it doesn't come to PBS. Some of our stations get a much smaller percentage, seven or eight percent. Others, particularly in rural parts of the country, it can be as high as 40 and 50 percent.
 
 
+15 # WitsEnd 2012-10-06 13:45
Can't we start a "boycott the debate" movement? Then people who still think we have a democracy can vote, if they really feel it will make any difference - and they can read the transcript later. But it would send a loud and clear message to the debate commission that no one is going to watch until they include Jill Stein.
 
 
+3 # ghostperson 2012-10-06 22:31
I vote that we boycott all campaigning. It goes on too, too long. By this point, Americans are sick to death of the parties, the candidates and the bull shit.
 
 
+15 # Old Hoot 2012-10-06 13:49
Old Hoot
Obama may have been affected by the 5,000 feet altitude. Romney had been in Denver for several days--long enough to become acclimated. Obama flew in from sea-level for the debate which might explain his lethargy.
 
 
+20 # Deboldt 2012-10-06 13:52
The only person who could have handled the analysis of the charades better than Matt is no longer with us—Hunter Thompson. As in those old cartoon sword fights, Matt, with one swipe, decapitated both candidates and all the brain-dead, attendant members of the 4th Estate!
 
 
+34 # Susan1989 2012-10-06 14:33
Mitt Romney gives off huge amounts of negative energy to the point of poisoning the environment that he occupies. I experienced this when I attended a small event where he was present a decade ago. He was unmistakably one of only two people I have met in my lifetime like this. I read debatelast spring that many of his fellow Republicans were viscerally repulsed by himduring the debates. I suspect that Obama felt this...but even more intensely because it was a one on one debate. Unless one has experienced this, it is difficult to imagine, but a person like Romney is capable of sucking the energy out of a room as well as out of the psyche of everyone in it. I suspect this is what we feel when we are subjected to evil...strange as it may sound. Has anyone here ever had this happen to them? I have...and I could very much identify with Obama.
 
 
+9 # hoodwinkednomore 2012-10-06 14:51
Presidential debates might be modeled after speeling bees: ask the origin, use it in a sentence, then spell the word. One chance to get it right or you're outta here! 'Mittsnomer' was lying out his privates, and Mr. President may have had a bit of altitude sickness but none of this matters in a good-old fashioned spelling bee! Seriously, Matt, would you kindly moderate all future debates?
 
 
-23 # Mainiac 2012-10-06 14:52
Keep in mind that Obama also lies. Sometimes his are a little different — like misleading all the people who voted for him in ’08 here in US and many around the world. Also, keep in mind he is a war criminal and if justice reigns will end up with the rest of them in the International Criminal Court in the Hague.
 
 
+9 # guyachs 2012-10-06 16:53
And what were Obama's lies? You sound like Romney now. We all know what lies Romney tells. And how is Obama a war criminal?
 
 
0 # Spence 2012-10-07 12:12
Obama will let Social Security get killed off. He lies that he will defend it. His drone strikes are war crimes.
 
 
+1 # unitedwestand 2012-10-08 16:03
You mean like Bush and Cheney, Rumsfeld et. al. are? Get serious.
 
 
+1 # Jaysson Brae 2012-10-06 14:54
Maybe when ENOUGH voters can't any longer deny the fraud of the USA's illegally locked down, phony 2-party system (aka: the Duopoly), they'll finally start voting for 3rd party/Independe nt candidates in bigger numbers, just to move things off this rigged dead-center.

But until or unless that time comes, nothing will even have a snowball's chance in hell of changing our rottenly corrupt politics and our corporate controlled federal election system.
 
 
+18 # seeuingoa 2012-10-06 15:24
Americans are awfully immature.

Romney won on style and Obama on
substance, and in America style will
always win.

How sad for the rest of the world.
 
 
+11 # rradiof 2012-10-06 15:38
We are one step closer to the LDS grand plan: the State of Deseret. Look it up and investigate the Romney family's involvement as important members of the LDS elite. It has taken the LDS almost two centuries but they are ready to taste success. Eat your heart out, L. Ron Hubbard. Over and out.
 
 
+21 # Kasandra 2012-10-06 15:53
Why should President Obama bother to rebuke, buck or challenge Romney when it was obvious Mr. Mitt was already making a total fool of himself? Our President has a more subtle wisdom and awareness that the aggressive media doesn't quite understand. They just wanted to sell tickets to watch the two in fierce combat and to duke it out in public! Have we not yet grown out of the terrible twos?
 
 
+1 # MendoChuck 2012-10-06 16:15
Maybe Clint Eastwood would have been better asking the questions???
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-06 22:34
Funny. It would have been just as effective.
 
 
+6 # Old Uncle Dave 2012-10-06 16:18
Bullmitt!
 
 
+9 # stonecutter 2012-10-06 16:30
Matt Taibbi once again tells it like it is better than virtually anyone else. I loved the Belichick analogy; most of what passes for commentary by sports coaches and athletes on TV makes Romney during the debate sound like he was reciting the Gettysburg Address. Here's another legendary coach's enduring aphorism: "Winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY THING!" If we can see someone WINNING, WTF cares about inconvenient truthes like facts, arithmetic or simple logic?
 
 
+10 # jbell94521 2012-10-06 16:36
If you take this shit seriously, then you end up scratching your head and wondering why someone as smart and articluate as Obama put on such a lackluster and generally lousy performance. (Not that I am any fan of Obama's. He has largely carried out and even escalated the most egregious of the Bush policies, and continues to carry them ou, to say nothing of his studiously avoiding holding any of those crimminals accountable at all.)

I go back to a very wise man of who said in the mid 1960s: "Politics is the entertainment division of the military industrial complex." Thank you Frank Zappa for explaining what otherwise cannot be explained.
 
 
+27 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-10-06 16:54
I'm just getting to this comment page; had to WORK most of Wednesday and Thursday, but I did get to watch that thing called a debate.
My blood has finally had time to return to normal from its near boiling point. I now fully understand the usefulness of the expression, "You make my blood boil."

I've written some revised dialogue for the debate; what I would have liked to hear from President Obama. I present it to everyone, and look forward to your comments.

The scene opens about 1/3 into the debate. It's President Obama's turn to start answering the question. He turns to Romney and says:

..."Are you going to continue to interrupt me while I'm speaking? I address you as Governor even though you are no longer a governor. I AM your President; I AM your Commander-in-Ch ief. Show me some respect, and respect the ground rules of this debate. For the remainder of this debate, please DO NOT interrupt me while I am speaking.

Now Mr. Lehrer, to answer your question..."

President Obama turns away from Mr. Romney, and addresses Mr. Lehrer directly, in a calm, clear voice.

The debate continues with a different tone in force.
 
 
+9 # ghostperson 2012-10-06 22:43
Yes, yes, yes.

Romney, the patrician whose religion allows light-skinned males to go unchallenged, would have been undone by actually having to go toe-to-toe in a pit fight where the challengers have to take blows one at a time.

What was Obama thinking of? Not wanting to look like an angry Black man doesn't explain tolerating intentional humiliation. I want to see agressive verbal return fire to see what these guys have going for themselves outside of the comfort zone of memorized, canned remarks prepared by others.
 
 
+3 # JJS 2012-10-07 15:24
Thank you BeaDeeBunker.

My one word reaction to the "Debate" is "Rude" and it applies exclusively to Willard.
 
 
+22 # CL38 2012-10-06 16:59
1 of 3 comments: Romney couldn't 'win' the debate if he outright lied to the American people... unless the wrong criteria are being used to measure his performance. For instance:

As a woman, I see the debate differently than white male pundits. For me, domination and bullying are never signs of leadership. They're character traits of authoritarians who have no respect or consideration for others. Authoritarians USE people.

How can Romney WIN a debate by YET AGAIN erasing & redrawing his etch-a-sketch to show completely different positions and descriptions of what he'll do. Night and day different from what he promoted for a year??? He can't. He's lying. Do we really want to declare that he honestly won the debate for the office of President of the United States of America? Have we really sunk that low???
 
 
+14 # ghostperson 2012-10-06 22:56
As a fellow distaff individual, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Do male pundits actually believe that Romney converted any females who can smell a liar, especially a repeat offender or rather serial offender, 2 miles away? Think any Latinos were persuaded by a eye-blinking, bull shit artist. How many Blacks does anyone think were converted to Romney's cause? As for old people, of which I am one, does anyone believe that this is an individual that the elderly would trust to do the right thing by them? And for the young people, who would vote for a man that wants to deprive even more youth of the ability to obtain and fund affordable education?

What amazes me is that Romney doesn't seem to understand that his shape shifting has been duly noted. Message received loud and clear. Repeatedly. He apparently has such low regard for the intellect of average Americans that he thinks they are not capable of tracking his position swerves. I find him insulting. Where I am from, we have a saying that captures the essence of people like Romney. They are "like piss on a plate," rolling around all over the place.
 
 
+19 # CL38 2012-10-06 17:00
2nd comment: A theatrical performance doesn't win a Presidential debate, unless we, too, have lost our way. We need to expect and demand much more substance, truth and integrity from politicians. Fake tears over those in need (after condemning the 47%) are phony as a $7 bill. I want facts, not false promises he has no intention of keeping.

Romney is a slick, dangerous, greedy, psychopath corporate raider, who has shown for decades he will say or do anything to grab the Presidency. He learned well from his father, George Romney. Despite Mitt's father's reputation as a liberal Republican and a “champion” of civil rights, he used the power of the Mormon Church to publicly denounce supporters of the Equal Rights Amendment as “moral perverts,” labeling the movement a homosexual conspiracy to destroy the American family.
 
 
+17 # CL38 2012-10-06 17:03
3rd comment: "First, a little background: In 1979-80, just before Reagan was elected, ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution was all but assured. Thanks to an intense and well-organized campaign waged by George Romney and the Mormon Church, the ERA was stopped in its tracks in Utah and a handful of other states, where Mormon influence could make the difference.

Most political analysts believe that had the LDS Church not taken such an aggressive position against the ERA, it would have been easily ratified by the required thirty-eight states, and would now be part of the U.S. Constitution.” http://www.alternet.org/blowin.... Romney's father was a bigot.

Think about that for a moment. Women would have had equal rights as a part of the constitution, if it weren't for Mitt Romney's father! Today we struggle to hold onto rights we fought for in part, because of George Romney's actions and extreme right republicans.

I don't want the son of George Romney to practice his own version of dirty tricks in 2012 and take the Presidency.
 
 
+17 # CL38 2012-10-06 17:03
4th comment:

We need to respect ourselves and hold political candidates to a much higher standard. Most Republican politicians only represent straight white males. They're failing most of their constituencies! They rarely, if ever, legislate on behalf of women, people of color, gays, Latinos, etc. They pass legislation that only benefits corporations, the rich and straight, white males. It's past time for them to go.

We've had enough of hate, discrimination, racism, misogyny and homophobia. We've had enough of the view that only the wealthiest deserve rights or benefits, at the expense of everyone else. Let's continue moving forward by standing up for ourselves and for Obama, against a Romney Presidency.

Let’s move forward to reelecting a humanitarian President and voting out the racist, misogynist, homophobic obstructionists from the bottom up--anyone who is holding back the country because a black man is reelected President.
 
 
+8 # impartialtodd 2012-10-06 17:50
Romney used the Pig in the Poke strategy of not running partial ideas and plans. When he's acted he simply changes his plan and accuses his attackers of not getting it and that's exactly what he did throughout the debate but the Emperor has not clothes or in this case no plans and that's what people need to focus on. https://www.impartial-review.com/stories/mitt-romney-s-thirteen-health-care-deceptions-from-the-debate
 
 
+12 # ghostperson 2012-10-06 23:15
I don't think that it is a pig in a poke. Romney is simply unprincipled and contemptuous of those who are not wealthy. His position will always be whatever will do him and his cult the most good. So he has no fixed standards in his quest for the prize. He has a new dawn every time he opens his mouth. Ryan, by contrast, is a cabbage patch doll-eyed, misogynistic adherent of the cult to Ayn Rand without basic math skills. There is nothing either could do to make me trust them, singly or collectively. They have been bought and paid for with Koch money. They are the people with the fingers to hold a pen that Grover Norquist, an effete prick, says is the only qualification needed to be the chief and vice chief executive.
What's with these wingnut, chinless, homophobes, the Roves and the Larry Craigs, who bat for both teams? Hypocrisy is not an endearing quality. From the standpoint of truth telling, the GOP elite seem to be without scruples, morality or even the ability to summon either. Wonder what Bible they read that sanctions violating most of the 10 Commandments? I would rather be a pagan that an adherent to the gospel of evil.
 
 
+6 # ghostperson 2012-10-06 23:20
Didn't work except for those who are predisposed to vote for him. He has shape shifted so many times that, to those not in the GOP, it is presumed that he is lying every time his lips are moving. He is without a moral compass where politics are concerned.
 
 
+2 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-06 17:51
Think debate was "pre-negotiated " as to issues. Most likely, Willard went "off script." Caught Obama with his pants down. What else to say?
 
 
+3 # ghostperson 2012-10-06 23:17
Now that is a thought. Turn abouts is fair play since we know that the wooden stick figure, Mr. Manchurian Candidate, doesn't do well improvisational ly. I want to see the return match when no holds are barred.
 
 
+3 # Human Right 2012-10-06 18:53
We voted for Obama & change
What they got was a president who took the entire defense department bureaucracy of a previously discredited administration into his administration inclusive of the Generals, Secretary of Defense and all the rest ( this has never happened before); then gave us more phony war. While president Obama was receiving the “Nobel Peace prize” he simultaneously and successfully defended the architect of torture in a San Francisco federal court. In addition, he sidetracked attempts of the ACLU to remove the illegal overseas prisons and never gave even a feeble attempt to close the infamous Guantanamo prison. He has never tried to return our revered habeas corpus or remove the immoral, illegal, Patriot Act. As this is written he has placed ill advised military intimidation and economic sanctions over innocent Iranian people and continues to fund the illegal Zionist settlers three generations removed from WWII, (many from New York) in the Middle East. Recently Obama signed a law (National Defense Authorization Act) making the “Patriot Act” permanent and the USA is now officially a military/police state with the habeas corpus long gone.
 
 
+6 # moreover 2012-10-06 22:13
It would be rational to ask whether the debating candidates have espoused positions that are so idiotic as to make them objectively unsuited for office.

Case in point:

Mitt Romney provided an easy decision point in the first Presidential debate when he called for a gigantic increase of the military budget. His promise is nothing short of insane. No, this is not too strong a word: As with his monstrous tax cuts this boondoggle is unfunded. Most importantly, it's not needed: The US military is already bigger than the next 10 countries' combined. This is crazy.

The mere fact that such an absurd plan was stated by Romney (and approved for release by his team) completely discredits him as a credible leader.

Especially since it highlights that Romney only ever alludes to "plans" while never allowing us to see any details that would enable us to assess its viability.

Now, this is actually NOT crazy but the only way a flimflam politician can sell empty for full. It's disgusting.
 
 
0 # 666 2012-10-09 05:31
while I agree with you, his "base" - the military-indust rial complex, wall st., neocons, the israeli right, militarists, and all those who depend on the above for their jobs will eat this bs up.
 
 
+5 # tswhiskers 2012-10-07 08:00
I agree with a lot of comments that if the media insist on judging presidential debates as beauty contests then why should we have them? I was disgusted by MSNBC in particular whose pundits insisted that since Mitt showed himself to be human that he usually does and Obama seemed not to want to be there that Romney won the debate. No mention made of the fact that Obama while running for the presidency still has to BE the president and so was probably exhausted at the debate, or of the fact that Romney, in spite of his charm was no doubt well rested and spoke lies in every sentence, some of which his campaign people had to correct soon after the debate. The first prize for Idiocy here must go to the media for its insistence on the importance of style over substance. Jim Lehrer was no help. Maybe the debates should use a very loud buzzer, like a smoke alarm, when a candidate's time is up.
 
 
+6 # Insightful43 2012-10-07 08:30
Domineering men like Mitt Romney will never let women make their own decisions about their lives, health, etc.I worked with Domestic Violence victims for 20 years and I have seen those same abusive men when confronted with their abuse become very glib and agreeable to being fair with their victim.Then turn around and abuse them again and again They were not beneath promising, crying, and guilt,etc to try and get that woman to go back to them. It might have taken some women more than once to see through it but all of them eventually did, that's if they didn't get murdered. Women see through this kind of man and that's why we know that since 2007 President Obama during his campaign and during his presidency has never varied from his message of supporting women's rights. His style is low-key and it's obvious he adores his wife and daughters. He's been the same yesterday, today and he will be tomorrow.
So many men,even the good ones,think that chest bumping is what matters. NOT!
AND,don't forget we woman know the value of Big Bird,Sesame Street and PBS/NPR. This is not over. 81% of children watch these shows. They have been proven to enhance children's learning. Watch how mother's, grandmother's and great-grandmoth ers like me show up at Romney's campaign to protest what he plans to do.
 
 
+3 # wleming 2012-10-07 08:42
the media desperation to make romney a "viable" candidate despite his manifest stupidities and his plan to dismantle the federal govt. in line with corporate vulture capitaism is one of the stories of the age. its a story the media won't tell on itself. remember, folks, these are the people who brought you george w. bush--- remember him? hes the ex prez who the republicans didn't want at their convention.
 
 
-4 # Spence 2012-10-07 11:37
It's a shame that only one of these guys will lose.
 
 
-5 # hone@newmex.com 2012-10-07 15:17
I am really surprised at you Matt Taibbi for so much energy in this article about two phonies. Writers of up to date political knowledge should be helping the American public feel comfortable with a REAL party for the people. Let's take a closer look at an effective Independent candidate for the people of this great nation, like Gary Johnson from my state of NM. He did a find job, ethical and professional. Yes, unique these days. Spread the word Matt, on that which can effectively change today's DC theater back to straight public business.
 
 
+5 # billeeboy 2012-10-07 15:59
Matt is correct the press coverage of the debates was pathetic. The press, instead of praising Romney's agressive stance, should have (in addition to pointing out the lies), noted that Romney was simply behaving like a bully. Romney talked over Obama and Lehrer, ignored requests from the moderator. He behaved like a schoolyard bully, and indeed he has a long history of bullying going back to cutting the hair of a gay boy in his prep school. Bullying may work in the board room but that is not a characteristic we want in our President. Like in a hockey game the press simply praised the guy who, against the rules, injured opposition players! Shame on the press!
 
 
0 # Athena1943 2012-10-07 20:45
Please watch this, and there will be no doubt that Romney cheated as well as lieing during the debate.. How do you debate a liar and a cheater.. especially with a moderator who let's the liar and cheater take control.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FWd6ZtVCgY
 
 
0 # unitedwestand 2012-10-08 16:01
"radio viewers"? Somebody had to mention this, I think that even Matt might agree that that was a faux pas, but so what, it doesn't change the content of the point.
 

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