Intro: "The instant analysis after the first presidential debate - even on liberal-leaning MSNBC - was that Mitt Romney was the decisive 'winner.' But Romney not only ducked the specifics of his plans but looked sneaky and nervous in doing so."
Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama after the first presidential debate at the University of Denver, Oct. 3, 2012, in Denver. (photo: Charlie Neibergall/AP)
Did Romney 'Win' the Debate?
04 October 12
The instant analysis after the first presidential debate - even on liberal-leaning MSNBC - was that Mitt Romney was the decisive "winner." But Romney not only ducked the specifics of his plans but looked sneaky and nervous in doing so, writes Robert Parry.
n the presidential debate that I watched on Wednesday night, Republican challenger Mitt Romney was shiftier than Dick Nixon in 1960 and less coherent than George W. Bush in 2000, but the TV pundits, including on MSNBC, overwhelmingly declared him the winner.
When I tried to follow Romney's logic, I couldn't. Somehow the federal government was supposed to rein in rising health care costs but his only idea for doing so was to let the free-market work when it is clear that - whatever the shortcomings of "Obamacare" - the old model of health insurance was broken.
Romney also claimed that his health-insurance plan would cover people with pre-existing conditions and do other positive things that are in the Affordable Care Act, but, as President Barack Obama noted, Romney hasn't offered a serious explanation as to how that would happen.
Romney treated any reference to his 20 percent across-the-board tax cut costing $5 trillion over decade as a lie, likening the President to his "five boys ... saying something that's not always true but just keep on repeating it." After all, Romney has declared that his plan would be revenue-neutral. But he continued his pattern of refusing to specify how he would make it so.
In the debate that I saw, Romney seemed to be on the defensive, in large part, due to the incoherence and incompleteness of his arguments. And that reflected itself in his body language. He shifted nervously, blinked rapidly and displayed a forced smile. It looked like he was about to tear up during his closing remarks.
I saw a man struggling at the end of his rope. By contrast, Obama looked, well, presidential. He was never flustered and mounted vigorous defenses of his policies, offering details about what he had done and what he would do. Yet, he didn't sound overly defensive or whiny, a big risk in such a setting.
One could fault Obama for not being more aggressive with host Jim Lehrer, who curiously seemed determined to stop the President from exceeding his time limit while letting Romney ramble on. But that is more a criticism of Lehrer, who behaved like PBS types often do - they go weak in the knees when a Republican talks about slashing the subsidy for public broadcasting, as Romney pointedly did.
So, I came away from watching the 90-minute debate thinking that Romney had come as close to melting down in front of a huge national audience as anyone I have ever seen in my half century of watching presidential debates. Pundits often fall back on the cliché that "no one landed a knock-out punch," but this was as close to having one candidate lying on the mat as I have ever seen, although it was mostly Romney doing the damage to himself.
Yet, immediately after the debate - even on liberal-leaning MSNBC - Republican commentators were given the floor and allowed to set the tone of the meeting. On MSNBC, Rachel Maddow deferred to GOP campaign strategist Steve Schmidt, who gushed over Romney's performance. The verdict was "Romney won."
Everyone on the set except for Al Sharpton fell in line. Ed Schultz blasted Obama for not lashing out at Romney and especially for not blasting Romney's portrayal of 47 percent of the U.S. population as irresponsible moochers.
For the past several days, pretty much every pundit I watched had predicted that the "the 47 percent" comment would be the centerpiece of the debate, but I never thought that was likely, having watched Lehrer handle other debates. He almost never goes for the "gotcha" question, favoring bland policy discussions.
Without Lehrer introducing the remark, it would have been difficult and clumsy for Obama to shoehorn the comment in. Frankly, it would have elicited groans from many Americans as an overreach. But the pundits had decided that it had to be at the heart of the debate, so they blamed the President when it wasn't.
What was particularly startling about the MSNBC commentary was its lack of substance - except for Sharpton, who zeroed in on the discrepancies between Romney's months of campaign statements as a "severely conservative" ex-governor of Massachusetts and his reinvention of himself as a caring fellow on Wednesday.
Yet, even on style, it was amazing to me that the pundits were favoring Romney, who looked more ill at ease than Nixon did in his infamous 1960 debate debacle with Kennedy and goofier than Bush in 2000, who was so unserious that he elicited a famous "sigh" from Al Gore. Romney wasn't as much on the offensive all night as he was testy. He talked fast, lacked specifics and nagged Lehrer about getting more time.
If Romney were a car salesman, he would be the one urging me to overlook the car's lousy mileage and poor repair record and begging me to buy his vehicle so he could meet his quota and not get in trouble with the boss. On Wednesday night, I was a bit worried that he would dissolve into tears during his closing remarks.
His shaky behavior and watery eyes brought to mind Ann Romney's comment last Thursday that her "biggest concern" about her husband getting elected president "would just be for his mental well-being." In a TV interview in Nevada, Romney's wife pronounced him competent and qualified but worried about "the emotional part of it" for her husband.
More on Point
Some of the newspaper commentators more closely represented the debate that I watched. Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times noted that "Mr. Romney managed, despite a dry throat and some rapid blinking, to keep a choirboy smile pasted on his face while Mr. Obama spoke.
"Mr. Obama was quicker to drop his bonhomie and adopt the look of a long-suffering headmaster enduring the excuses of a bright student he is going to expel."
The Times also did a solid job of assessing the claims and counter-claims from the two rivals. And the Times' lead editorial took Romney to task for his mendacity and Obama to task for not holding the Republican accountable.
But how to explain the behavior of the TV commentators, especially those on MSNBC, whose instant "spin" on behalf of Romney surely influenced the opinions of millions of Americans in their own assessments of who won?
Though MSNBC has done a relatively good job of creating some balance in a cable TV environment that Fox News has tilted sharply to the right, its hosts are under corporate pressure to present themselves as neutral newscasters in situations like Wednesday's debate. (Remember the trouble that Keith Olbermann encountered.)
So, aspiring careerists like Rachel Maddow can be expected to demur in a situation like Wednesday night. After all, for her there are grand career opportunities, like a regular gig on NBC's "Meet the Press" or possibly even replacing David Gregory as the host, a big step indeed.
So she immediately turned to Steve Schmidt, who did what you would expect a Republican political operative to do in such a case. He spun the outcome for Romney and did so with such confidence that he seemed to influence the remarks of MSNBC show anchors, Chris Hayes and Chris Matthews, who promptly fell in line.
For his part, Ed Schultz sounded more like a disgruntled lefty who wanted Obama to be the perfect gladiator mercilessly chopping Romney to pieces and then asking the American TV audience, "are you not entertained?"
But that approach would have opened Obama to another line of attack, the angry black man, a balancing act that Obama instinctively senses but that white liberals don't seem to get. The only MSNBC anchor cutting through the "Romney won" spin was Sharpton.
While it's true that Obama could have been tougher in demanding more time from Lehrer and in going after his rival, the President did resist Lehrer's curious eagerness to impose time limits on Obama but not Romney.
Obama also made the key point about how Romney and his running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan, keep evading specifics on their various plans. Indeed, that was my primary takeaway from the debate, that a shifty and shifting Romney won't tell the American people what he actually intends to do.
Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, "Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush," was written with two of his sons, Sam and Nat, and can be ordered at neckdeepbook.com. His two previous books, "Secrecy & Privilege: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq" and "Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth'" are also available there.
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Arrogant Romney was all over him .. neither offering rational and plausible solution to US economic problem. Fighting more wars on Chinese credit card will accelerate US bankruptcy. Romney will get more $$ from his peers - what are the options for the middle class?
Romney passed so many lies thru his lips last night and continually interrupted the moderator. Moderator didn't have any balls to call him on it.
The biggest lie was cutting taxes and closing loopholes. My god!!! That is how Romney made his money and kept it protected. And he is going to do away with that. Think not. Are people that dumb????
Yeah, about 50% are.
Of course, the other 50% were dumb enough to think Mr. Obama would succeed in bringing "change you can believe in!"
Ultimately, the choice is between the lesser of the evils and, in this case, Mr. Obama wins that contest hand's down.
They've done neurological studies of people where they mask the words or the consonant sounds so that the words cannot be understood, and asked people what they thought was going on. I think Obama's body language negated a lot of what he said, plus the constant hedging and qualification of his own comments .... "I think" he kept saying "I think" all the time arguing from an authority he did not back up with his posture.
Romney stood with confidence, machismo, arrogance and entitlement--bu llying and dominating both Obama and the moderator. He even lectured the President, all the time he was lying through his teeth about everything he said.
I'll be voting for the very human Obama who's also dealing with despicable racism from Romney and the right.
On the other hand, I agree with Rev. Sharpton that Romney handed so much attack material to Obama that once the President hits the campaign trail, any bump Romney received will be totally reversed by the next debate.
Neurological studies show that a human being has a finite amount of energy, and if you are mad and spending a lot of energy to conceal that, you will not be thinking well on your feet or looking good in body posture.
Romney used that against him in a refined way of basically bullying, and for a President of the United States to get bullied in a big negative non-verbal comment that looks bad.
Obama held his cool and was very Presidential!
If you notice Republicans use insults and questioning the manhood of the opponents. For example early in the debate Romney basically called Obama a liar, but he said something like, he had 5 BOYS and was used to hearing "stories" from them, ie. comparing Obama to his boys.
And why were all of them at the debate along with the grandkids.... isn't it a school/work night???? Oh yea, private schools, too rich to have to work...
I'm thinking the Obama's kids were at home doing homework and going to bed early for school the next day....
My thought... if the Republicans start to agree maybe the American people will forget the 4 years that Obama had the biggest fight of his life just to make this country survive.
"Winning" is about being the most aggressive. Romney refused to cede to the moderator at several times.
I have listened to Romney's speeches ongoing and almost everything he said in this speech was a contradiction of what he has said on the campaign trail,
Besides saying almost nothing specific--
techno-garble is not necessarily specific--he said things like that he was not going to cut taxes, but would give tax relief..... Give me a break!
the entire "debate" was a disgusting joke.
Debate Watchers - who won the debate?
Obama 25% Romney 67%
these are the "American People" - guess that it would be hard to find the poll of the debate watchers that would be different. For most Americans watching the stupid TV contests or football games the reality does not matter.
Obama was much more realistic and actual - except his military complex - feeding the beast with trillions.
Forget the thinking part. Ex. Asked for his economic plan, Romney spun off five points, but number - bing bing bing. Obama just mumbled on no clear framing.
In Ohio the Democrats aren't in your face, but the Republicans sure are. Reminds me of Donald Trump, Linbaugh, etc and they always think they are on top.
We have work to do.
Jill Stein, and Rocky Anderson, are not corrupt self serving sellouts like either the Asses, or the Elephants. I always used to wonder, how could the Romans not see the empire collapsing around them.... Appearance are more important than substance I guess.
Get more seats in State, Local Get known.
Actually stand up or against something....do you see I see none of these groups fighting for wolves, against fracking, tarsands. On person making a voice is great but where are the rest of them....I want to see them, I want to hear them. Otherwise I must vote OB or die under Romney Thanks
When you are against something, you hit a brick wall, when you are FOR SOMETHING, you move FORWARD. And I believe Obama is moving FORWARD for all living beings. He sees a BIGGER picture, Romney only sees $$$
I don't vote if there is no one worth voting for.
When a woman becomes President are you going to call it a "woman house"?
Personally many I met were airheaded snobs.
In other words, he pulled a Justin Bieber.
Everything he said was either a contradiction of what he said before the debate, a contradiction of something else he said during the debate, a complete lie, or a combination of the above.
The only area in which he 'won' was by appearing more aggressive by ignoring the moderator and cheating.
then, back to the TV and beer. Me, I'd prefer the laid back easy going humorous doode to run my country if I had only these 2 losers from which to choose. Happily, I'll choose a real human: rocky anderson for my vote. I don't vote "the lesser of 2 evils", and that is my disgusting choice with obama and romney.
We need a better candidate. NOW, but start looking, because it ain't over,period. 2016 is thundering down upon us...
Rant on next year under Romnitts you will not longer be allowed to Go ahead vote us to death!
If you want someone to hear us, we need a Council of Grandmothers around a Fire.
I think you need to smell the flowers and not the gunpowder!
That gunpowder blocks your brain and so does your finger.
I say "fake" because if it was real he would have had to spend so much energy on maintaining his composure, as if he was debating another Democrat, and he would have had energy to think.
At every point Romney interrupted and broke Obama's stride and conversation, and Obama was not ready for it and got unnerved.
I was somewhat disappointed with Obama's lack of spark, but I'm nevertheless gobsmacked at the media--especial ly MSNBC, I agree--describi ng Romney as "exciting," "presidential," and other positives. To me his eyes looked bloodshot and watering, and he was excessively blinking like someone desperately trying to stay awake. And that frozen smirk! And all those lies. Disgusting. And what a wimp Jim Lehrer was.
I felt like it was a set up from the moderators side, and Romney was very busy knocking Obama off-stride with interruptions and questions, and Obama acted like a "pussy" returning Romney's rudeness with submissive head bobs and saying yes, and when he talked about his own ideas kept saying "I think" instead of having the courage of his own convictions, like "When the Middle Class Does Well, The Country Does Well" ... he prefaced that with "I think", as if there is a debate or he is giving nods to those who disagree with him.
He had Santorum on ....if you can stream it...it was interesting I do not believe Santorum is a supporter of Mittens.
When you do see, there is a challenge to Mitt to come on Letterman or people should not vote. I love it, been going on for at least ten days... Imagine getting the hohums due to this challenge. Off to see the top ten tonite
Scary guy.
I was thinking Obama was out of his comfort zone for sure, and he looked like he felt guilty and all he could do was chirp out some tepid facts while Romney was hot and aggressive.
The Replubicans use a neuroscience advertising guy that tells it like it is, "the reptile always wins" and Obama was like a mouse trying to argue with a snake.
My gut feeling within just a few minutes of listening to the debate on the radio was that Obama has just pissed away the election. I hope I am wrong, but the gut does not lie.
Romney will hang himself... look at his secret tape... and now he is changing his mind, yea right.
And Romney's tie and shirt... for all his money, he certainly didn't dress well. Maybe he had Ann dress him???
Anyone remember four years ago, a photo of Obama came out, with his feet upon his old desk, and his shoes were worn out? That to me said, this man knows what this country needs because he has walked in our shoes and I believe he still does..but Michelle made him buy new shoes.
Open with "When I took over, the country was faced with another Depression, caused primarily by the policies of the Governor's Republican Do-Nothing Congress. Why in the world would we want to return to the failed policies of the past?"
Every time Willard went off the rails: "Who ARE you? Every appearance you make contradicts the last. I don't think the country needs a shapeshifter as President." Over and over. "Who ARE you?"
On Energy: " I believe that America needs to lead the green technology revolution. You believe in the past. It's as simple as that."
When Willard hops around to lie to make a point: "Look, we all recognize a good salesman when we see one. Well I'm not buying what you're selling till I see the CarFax!
Case closed. Mittens is toast!
Plus, the Republicans are always pushing the edge as to what kind of rudeness and underhanded antics they can get away with. I don't think I've ever really seen a Democrat do any of that kind of stuff.
What is poisoning the environement at the WH and poisoning this country is the Republicans who won't pass anything just to try to take over again.
The twitter was the best line to follow.
Jim Leher was the clear looser - he was out of his league and should be put out to pasture. Sad to see. After all this was a paid show by the Dems and Repubs and the action should have been smoother.
Too bad the Dems and Repubs through the debate corporation was engaging in restraint of free expression. Conspiracy actually against the democratic system. Vote for Rocky Anderson! Go Green
I'm grateful to Robert Parry for giving voice to what many people undoubtedly saw and heard: Apart from the creepy laughs and herky-jerky movements and obvious lies,I was struck by Romney's line about having ( and managing) five "boys" who insisted on repeating untrue stuff--dog whistle, anyone?-- and also his preference for the term "the poor" (which he once corrected to "low-income.")
Why do we call these presidential debates? Jim Lehrer hoped for a serious discussion,whic h he did not get, but he also refrained from throwing out the kinds of questions that might elicit buzz-feed responses. If he'd done that, would it have been more like a debate?
I also expect to see John Stewart put up clips of Romney from the debate last night with Romeny from Romney debating other Republicans and on the campaign trail.
For the record challangers always seem to win the first presidential debate so it is no surprise that at first blush Romney seemed to win this one. But what is surprising is that instead of using this opportunity to be equal to the president and present his views Romney instead gave so much amunition to Obama by flipping and flopping on issues and avoiding spicifics, much like Paul Ryan's convention speach, that I suspect by the end of the election this debate will be a positive for Obama.
I listened to this thing on the radio, and I could hear Obama's breath in the mike and he was really nervous and letting it show. He behaved like there was a sniper out there, like he was afraid of the people. Maybe he was on some kind of medication?
This type of thinking was pervasive when NAFTA was passed, the Glass-Steagall Act revoked, welfare reformed and arguments advanced that workers were being overpaid particularly government workers who needed to have their pay frozen even while prices continued to rise.
Totally agree, but since Obama spent his whole administration on what is a Republican program, that even the Republicans attacked him for, and he never strayed from trying to be the dutiful civil American citizen, he showed he was unprepared for a street fight, and whatever Romney looked like, Obama looked weak.
Let's call this "Commission" what it is: an antidemocratic bipartisan obstacle to DEMOCRACY.
The time for the mews media (N Y Times CBS, NBC, Democracy now, PBS, pacifica Radio and others) to denounce this and call for a debate where ALL presidential candidates get equal time!
NOW NOW NOW!
Banksta Boys...Both!
These things should be on radio, not TV. The "analysts" apparently think style trumps substance and factual accuracy is irrelevant.
On this basis, Romney was clearly superior in this debate. He was well organized in his presentations, had good body language, had very few "ums" and "ahs", and good vocal variation.
These are the facts, even if many of us would like to think differently. Let's not be like "their" side and create our own little reality where everything that agrees with us is better.
That being said, Romney seemed to be suffering from (as predicted by some, including me) schizophrenia. He completely and directly contradicted many of the positions he articulated during the primary debates. He made it clear that Barney Frank had been right when he said that Mitt had no core principles, except for the confidence that he would be able to do the task.
Romney obviously didn't become a big success in business without being a solid communicator. He just doesn't have any underlying substance and certainly doesn't understand that leading this country will take more than the right personality.
President Obama had prepared for the Romney that had been seen before, not the new, re-worked, flip-flopped Romney. Obama will be MUCH sharper next time - you can count on it.
I was in Toastmasters too. I prepared for what I wanted to say....not what I thought others wanted to hear. And I never prepared a speech thinking I wanted to win everyone's approval because that would have included lies.
You can't be a "solid communicator" if you lie...that's not solid. Romney can say he is successful because to me success is not from lies and cheatings!
Whatever the case this should destroy the myth of the "liberal media". Yet I got into an argument with a conservative leaning friend who said "the media was liberal". If it was so "liberal", why would it be fawning over Romney "winning the debate?"
Anyway I must have seen a totally different debate. Without the benefit of sound Romeny's body language made him look like a jerk. But I guess that maybe I just didn't it. And I guess that the vast majority of everyone else, who says that Romney won, must be right.
Obama was TOTALLY unprepared to defend his green choices.
Green politician, green environmentalis t, lazy debater.
The Corporate news "analysts" are clamoring for a story-which in presidential politics means a close race. Being mindful of their corporate backers is always on their minds.The "spin" must always be "fair and balanced." That is why we need a fighter.
Going into this ring of fire-Obama was poorly managed. Or perhaps he was just tired and bored(that is how he appeared.)
All this viewer saw were a few Obama jabs-while the Great White Hope was letting it rip-all or nothing (like a fictitious Rocky Balboa.) Or maybe the "fix" was in. Was Obama playing Sonny Liston to Romney's Ali? Was Lehrer the "paid off" referee? It is hard to imagine a weaker performance than what was offerred last night.
President Obama had two major difficulties last night. One, as a "black" man, he had to restrain himself so as not to appear angry and unpresidential. Two, the number of lies that were being thrown by Romney far exceeded the amount of time alloted to counter them!
Personally, I would have wanted our President to have slapped Romney in the face many times throughout the evening. Unfortunately, our President is an extremely civil individual. His intelligence and personal quality showed throughout the evening. It is too bad that the commentators were too ignorant to appreciate his talent.
Who lost the debate? Jim Lehrer seems to have lost as he merely blinked when the bully Romney blasted right through any time limits tried on him. I think we got a glimpse of the real Romney last night and it wasn't good.
The president was clear and considered in his answers, no funny business, but if this is about the bathing suit portion, yes Romney won - but its an empty suit.
I am one of your LOG term admirers for accuracy, precision and objective analysis of facts.
This time, your piece must be a desperate effort to do damage control.
The basic thing we agree upon is "By contrast, Obama looked, well, presidential."
Yet Romney looked like he was more energized and sure of himself as a true commander in chief should be vs an analytical serious Obama sticking to a school teacher style...
I am not stuck on the lack of mentioning the 47% as much as I am about the president not jumping on opportunities to catch Romney.
For ex, The answer to "trickle down government" was (perhaps - " Mr Romney, we've tried Trickle down economics for almost 30 years (with a short moderation under Bill Clinton) and it lead us to the worst economic + financial crisis sine the great depression. It also caused a 40% drop in middle-class buying power while the wealthiest 1% did very well increasing their wealth by ...%"
Trickle down government does work: it takes some time to come up from the abyss your party left us in 4 years ago.
Trickle down government may not have worked as well as Americans hoped for but "gush up economics" started under Mr Reagan and which you want to put on steroids will only lead to more poverty for American workers and extra billions in the hands of the few who could care less about the many"
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Let's get serious. To fix this everyone will have to suffer. People will be required to make less money.
Jobs must come back from china. Continuing to fill walmart with Chinese garbage will NOT employ anyone.
The old adage that the economy is "70 percent consumption" - if you consume all Chinese garbage- there will be no jobs.
Everyone cannot sit at computers cranking out useless reports - for a manufacturing concern in china.
You MUST MAKE SOMETHING HERE.
TELEVISIONS
ELECTRONICS- not for the military
I thought we had the beer market cornered but nope INBEV a Belgian company bought anheuser - Busch.
We as a nation must all suffer to stop the gross spending without a plan for recovery. Even the Russian Pravda sees our plight.
Obama did a terrible job on the 90 billion green energy investment: he could have said that not all investments could be successful in a world open market and that green energy investment remain a security issue for the US at a cost lower than fighter planes with built-in obsolescence.(t rue for all military equipment).
Even Nasa, a program we are all proud of had some failures.
Has INBEV Laid of workers? If not then we should NOT be worried about foreign investments in our country.
Mitt's investments thru Bain Capital destroyed jobs
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Facts, Lies Truths, Flip Flops don't matter, if it looks like you won you won.
Romney etch-a-sketched himself again. He tried to appear more middle of the road...which he isnt. He flip flopped on all his points, but dang it he said it forcefully...so what.
This is my honest assessment, Romney flip flopped on everything he said he stands for previously, he was rude to the moderator and rude to the president. If rudeness and lies are good debating then I guess he won. Also he had that creepy smirk on his face while the president was talking, he reminded me of a crazed lunatic. More lies, more creepiness, and more empty suit, but dang it he said it with fervor...SO What!
Thats it!!! Mitt Romney reminded me of Mr. Burns from "The Simpsons". That crazed look on his face when he thinks his tactics are working. The only thing he was missing was the wringing of his hands and saying "Excellent" in a sinister voice. Mitts forced creepy smile looked crazed like a dog who hadnt had any red meat in a long time.
I was thinking the same - what drug makes person act as Romney did?
Debaters, like Olympic athletes, should require the drug test.
Tswhiskers, he hasnt changed his views, or become more moderate. His staff has apologized for him, or said he didnt mean to say half the stuff he said last night. He will say or do anything, he changes positions and his mind to suit his purpose. He just tells whoever hes in front of what they want to hear. Shake the etch-a-sketch clear the slate and let the lies spew forth...thats Mitt.
On Obamacare, he failed to remind us that the reform was needed to put us on the same competitive level as modern nations that have offered national heath insurance for years; they have seen huge benefits for their economy and people. "The current system promoted by my opponent was proven to bankrupt the country as reported by top economists"
Also "Mr R was for it as Governor of Pennsylvania and now he's against it?"
How can voters know what your policies are: they keep changing!
“I am asking my opponent: Why is it that what was GOOD for Pennsylvania is NOT GOOD for America!?"
How can voters trust SO whose views are constantly changing (and repeating that every time R went back on his positions).
Anheuser-Busch Companies
The Howard G. Buffett Foundation
Sheldon S. Cohen, Esq.
Crowell & Moring LLP
International Bottled Water Association (IBWA)
The Kovler Fund
Southwest Airlines
The "Commission On Presidential Debates" IS a partisan corporate sponsored event. The days of open unbiased debates hosted by the League of Women Voters is history.
What we had last night was more fact-free theater of the Politically Absurd, where theatrics are the sole criteria of determining who "won", instead of "who is telling the truth". Under that criteria they both lost, Obama was closer to the truth.
Oh Cry, the Pathetic Country.
IT can't happen with the current bipartisan commission of course but it NEVER happened before either.
Ross Perot had to sue to get into a debate!!!
Ask Ralph Nader how many debates he had with the 2 main candidates ask all the past green party candidates.
Where is memory of history in this nation?
U will hear the answers of 2 candidates who are not bought and owned by LARGE corporations and the wealthy 1-2% who have benefited from both republican and democratic policies.
Pathetic country indeed! A BANANA REPUBLIC IS the term for it
A plutocracy is our regime of govt and it has been since the 1963 coup d'etat
Eisenhower would be shocked if he listened to Romney or even Obama because
he knew how big MONEY interests could highjack the government and bring fascism.
They would both call him a radical, a communist (think of a 92% marginal tax rate the wealthy - above $3 million in today's dollars - had to pay)
I think Romney will be crushed if he don't get to be president because it is on his bucket list, it gives him more status in heaven.
President Obama looked like he resented being at the debate and was detached.
Romney appeared to be enjoying himself and why shouldn't he as President Obama let him get away with one mistatement after the other. President Obama never brought up the 47 million people in the US that did not have medical care prior to the enactment of the new health bill. President Obama never shot down romney's statement that Obama Care would cost the nation 600 billion dollars. Further,if Romney was such a great governor of Massachusetts why did they boot him out after one term?
Why didn't President Obama say Tip Oneal never said "he was going to make sure Romney was a one term Governor" like the minority whip for the Republicans said about Obama. Romney did not win the debate President Obama gave it to him.
Pathetic.
Romney talked about the Constitution. This was a perfect time to jumped in: with " U forgot the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS Sir.For democrats hat means a RIGHT to the same high quality healthcare for ALL Americans , not just a for selected few"
"We have proof that trickle-down economics, which GHW Bush called voodoo economics, did not work. The same is true for healthcare left to the goodwill of a few insurance companies only motivated by greed."
Finally, at no point did Mr Obama reminded voters of the obstruction by the party of NO with endless debates and a record high level of threats to filibuster legislation in the senate (comparing with dems under G Bush)
The president needed to blame republicans for preventing a strong recovery by blocking investments in American infrastructure and schools (name specific bills that were blocked).
On solar and wind:
"we are so behind in this area that a bold move was needed and yes, some beneficiaries failed while others are thriving.
Republicans opposed ANY government intervention as jobs were lost at record levels: they opposed subsidies to solar and wind but like my opponent,they also opposed saving the American auto industry."
The most generous interpretation I can put on Mr. Obama's baleful performance is that it was political "rope-a-dope," and that he was allowing Mr. Romney to strike out in anyway he pleased in order to be able to attack him after he had tired.
Today, as Mr. Obama addressed a friendly audience at the University of Wisconsin, he seemed to have more than a faint pulse, and went after the "man who played Mitt Romney" with some gusto.
Perhaps last night's mess was planned all along, and the corporate media will learn that, once again, they missed the point.
Perhaps ... perhaps
ONE OF THE BIG LIES that's been going around for 4 years is that the president is responsible for creating jobs.
Business creates jobs and they don't want the fed. gov't regulating them.
This is one of those Catch-22 crazymaking conflicts that need to be called.
Romney has quite consistentlhy demonstrated the ability to say whatever he needs to say whether or not it connects with reality; To contradict himself without effort; To promise anything.
And the present group of so-called "Republicans" have shown no ability to govern, no ability to negotiate even with their fellow Americans. They have been a do-nothing Congress in chorus to blame Obama for their own failures.
Don't buy their lies. Don't get upset by their craziness. Don't try to match them in their corruption.
Be an example of integrity. That's what people need and want to hear.
They convince themselves of their own lies and so can sound like they're telling the truth.
But the parts don't fit together in the long run.
Romney established health insurance for all in Mass. and claims he did the right thing. But he wants to condemn Obama for doing it for the nation.
He refuses to accept that the rules he make for others apply to him also.
Obama, at the next debate, should shut his jets down the first time he does it, interrupt him before he is finished. Romney can only machine gun memorized junk he is allowed to fire for effect at his own election.
If Obama doesn't correct this in the next debate, I will not vote for him.
After being stonewalled since he was elected by the house and senate minority leader, what the hell is the matter with him that he can't say Romney and company should look in the mirror whenever they say Obama did nothing.
It is going to take me a long time to get over this debate. Obama took an eyelash curler to a knife fight.
I applaud his not getting sucked into womans' rights.
I cannot wait until the next debate...wow Mittens diary of lies are opened again. I hope Biden is as elegant as he was at the DNC,,,,Let ryan hand his diapers out....Biden used to be a good fact man, budget man...hope he stays kewl.
I hope we get a better Referee...perha ps I should call the AFL-CIO and see who we can get from Sports.
No one wins Debates...most never really bite into the questions we want to ask.
And I would love to see the Polls and areas that were polled I did these most companies know exactly where to call, what is general partyline in the area. Polls tell you what the party or media? wants you to hear. Polls are for dumb people....The average person does not care about debates... I forgot it was on until the last couple minutes after all I could stream it, or believe what Media said. I just know OB looked dignified compared to the goon next to him.
When do the wives get their shot at discussion or debate. Let's see what their made of...get the gloves (Ann would probably bring the latex)
I tried all night long to cast my vote, but could not find anywhere I could do that. I don't think they asked any of the 47%.
I like OB smirk seems everyone missed that....I belive OB got something up his sleeve
Or,and I would not put this past the Republicans, if he was drugged or poisoned? He sue did not seem to be himself.
Amerikkkan politics is horribly broken. It does not even retain the slightest hint of "democracy" or representationa l government. These two clowns don't represent the american people. They are puppets and empty suits sent out on stage to entertain and distract americans while the real powers are somewhere else. They don't even hide who the real powers are.
I don't care who won. The american people and the people of the world lost. This will be one more political whore in the Whore House who will continue the rape and pillage of the world on behalf of billionarie banks, corporations, and militaries.
I thought debates were about giving both sides to an issue ? Romney wouldn't even reveal the specifics of his plan let alone debate it with Obama !So how do they get Romney won this debate ?
Obama may have had an off night for one of many reasons that we don't know about . Or maybe just being on the same stage with Romney makes him nauseous, as it would me !
If you do the math Romney's so called plan doesn't hold water ,its impossible and he knows it but he figures the American people are too dumb to figure that out ! We already know that he thinks of 47% of us are moochers so I guess he also thinks we are dumb too!
BTW anyone interested in voting for Rocky Anderson or Jill Stein you should remember that Rocky is a Republican which means if he were to win this election ,"that is a really big if," he would add two more Republican's to the Supreme Court ! There is no Justice Party so he would have to run as a Republican ! As far as Jill and actually the same goes for Rocky ,they have no base and wouldn't have the electoral votes to get elected, so all you are doing when you vote for them is throwing your vote away allowing Romney to win ! Haven't any of you learned anything from when you sat out 2010 and the crazy Tea Party took over Congress?
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