Sanders writes: "At this pivotal moment in American history, it's important to note how we got into this deficit crisis, who was responsible and what is the fairest way to address it."
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt). (photo: WDCpix)
Deficit Hawk Hypocrites
29 August 12
Republican Deficit-Hawk Hypocrites
itt Romney, Paul Ryan and the Republican Party are now mounting a massive attack against Social Security and other programs. Using "deficit reduction" as their rationale, they are attempting to dismantle every major piece of legislation passed since the 1930s that provides support and security to working families.
They are being aided by at least 23 billionaire families, led by the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson, who are spending hundreds of millions of dollars in this campaign as a result of the disastrous Citizens United Supreme Court decision. Despite paying the lowest effective tax rate in decades, the billionaires want more tax breaks for the very rich. Despite the fact that the elimination of strong regulations caused the Wall Street meltdown and a terrible recession, the billionaires want more deregulation. Despite outsourcing of millions of good-paying American jobs to China and other low-wage countries, the billionaires want more unfettered free trade.
At this pivotal moment in American history, it's important to note how we got into this deficit crisis, who was responsible and what is the fairest way to address it.
Let us never forget that when Bill Clinton left office in 2001, this country enjoyed a healthy $236 billion SURPLUS.
Under George W. Bush and his fellow "deficit hawks," we went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Bush and Congress "forgot" to pay for those wars that will end up adding some $3 trillion to our national debt. Where were Paul Ryan and the other "deficit hawks" when we spent trillions on wars and added to the deficit? They voted for those policies.
Under George W. Bush and his fellow "deficit hawks," we gave huge tax breaks to the wealthiest people in this country, which cost $1 trillion over a decade. Where were Paul Ryan and the other "deficit hawks" when Bush and Congress spent a trillion dollars on tax breaks for the very rich and added to our national debt? They voted for those policies.
Under George W. Bush and his fellow deficit hawks, Congress passed an overly expensive Medicare prescription drug program written by the insurance companies and drug industry. The government was barred from negotiating lower drug prices with the pharmaceutical industry under the program, which will end up adding $400 billion to our national debt over a 10-year period. Where were Paul Ryan and the other "deficit hawks" when Bush and Congress spent $400 billion for a much too expensive prescription drug program? They voted for those policies.
Now, having run up huge deficits, our born-again "deficit hawks" want to cut every program in sight to save money. In order to cover the costs they incurred in Iraq and Afghanistan, they want to cut Social Security. In order to cover the costs of the tax breaks for the rich, they want to cut Medicare and Medicaid. In order to cover the insurance-company-written Medicare prescription drug program, they want to cut education and food stamps.
This approach - balancing the budget on the backs of the elderly, the sick, the children and the poor - is not only immoral, it is bad economic policy. It is something that must be vigorously opposed.
The $16 trillion national debt and the current $1 trillion deficit are serious problems, but they must be addressed in a fair way that will not cripple our economy, lead to the loss of jobs and punish people who are already hurting.
At a time when the wealthiest people in this country are doing phenomenally well and when their effective tax rate is the lowest in decades, the richest people in this country have got to be asked to pay their fair share of taxes.
At a time when corporate profits are soaring and when about one in four major profitable corporations pays nothing in federal income taxes, we must end corporate loopholes and demand that corporate America starts paying its fair share of taxes.
At a time when this country loses $100 billion every single year because wealthy people and corporations stash money in tax havens in the Cayman Islands and elsewhere, we must crack down on abusive tax cheats.
The United States military budget has virtually tripled since 1997, and we now spend nearly as much as the rest of the world combined. It is time to take a hard look at military spending.
There are serious and responsible ways to move this country toward deficit reduction. Unfortunately, that's not what Romney and Ryan are talking about. For them, it's the same old Republican saga: more tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires, and more austerity and pain for the most vulnerable people in this country.
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Right on!
You are a light to lighten the (fill in the blank) _______.
Now we agree the Pubs have no clue so, pray tell, what is the Obama plan?
And Bernie, before you answer I know YOU understand that there is NO way we come to grips with the enormity of the problem without drastic (and I'm not talking about cutting rates of increases) slashes in the current defense budget.
You can tax the rich 90% and we won't get enough to amount to more than a few drops of rain on a drought.
So yes, go ahead and tax the rich but...do you think for one New York minute Obama and the Dem's will make the kind of defense cuts necessary?
Hope springs eternal Bernie, but it ain't gonna happen under this administration.
The time for minor pain is gone and this guy has no courage (or desire for that matter) for inflicting the kind of painful defense cuts necessary. His Corporate Crony/MIC/CIA empire building masters will cut him loose yesterday if he tries.
Nothing will stop the train wreck ahead Bernie.
A few like yourself, Kucinich, Feingold and the old naysayer Ron Paul tried to tell us, but we wouldn't listen (and still aren't).
To you who tried your best to warn us the old song refrain applies:
...it's too late baby, it's too late,
but we really did, try to make it...
"You are a light to lighten the (fill in the blank) _______."
Genitals?
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The Center for Budget Policies and Priorities has optimistically estimated that taxing the rich would increase revenues over ten years by 900+ Billion.
Our national debt is now 16 Trillion. Our current interest payment on our debt is 464 Billion yearly.
So, raising taxes on the rich (even assuming they don't find ways to shelter their earnings) might pay for two years of interest payments.
If you are of the opinion that taxing the rich will "...help return us to surplus very quickly..." you simply aren't doing your math. There is no way we can return to surplus "quickly". Even with severe cuts it will take 10-20 years. We can however begin a process that will enable us to avoid default.
I have no problem with allowing tax cuts for the rich to expire, or for tax reform that closes loopholes, but it's time for Americans to understand that we cannot continue to spend on defense as much as the rest of the world combined. There will have to be drastic cuts in defense spending or we have no hope of avoiding default.
We haven't even talked about the 150-200 Trillion of unfunded liabilities coming due.
As to your belief that the entire debt could be paid off by 2016, I would be happy bet you a pint or two of your favorite beverage on that happening.
Even the Amazing Magical Accountants of the Empire City can't make that happen.
At this point, we're not in a position to push any source of revenue off the table just because Ayn Rand would have disapproved of it, which is basically the Romney-Ryan position.
Tell it to those who are supporting the Romney-Ryan smoke and mirrors.
Now back to defense cuts. Yes or no?
If yes, how much?
You can not change the ideology of the idiotic (terrorists) with a gun ever.
Dbrriz's did not advocate leaving the rich alone. He/She has no problem with raising taxes on the rich and closing loopholes. Dbriz is correct, that raising taxes on the rich alone will not solve the problem. But it should be part of the overall plan.
Question: Is not the simple answer for the government to print its own money so that it can at least buy back the debt (i.e., the principle owed) so that at least we are no longer drowning in debt interest payments that we will never be able to pay off?
Short answer:
Obama is no Lincoln, he has zero political support for such a move and it's a much different world from 1863.
Longer answer:
IMO the banking lobby alone would never allow it to happen. Your earlier example of Lincoln and his "greenbacks" eventually fell victim to the banking interests.
We now are controlled in part by international banking interests who have co-mingled both the problem and the solution into their own self interest.
Traditionally the FED simply allows inflation to de facto default on debt by devaluation but this time it really is different.
We are faced with a worldwide glut of overproduction in goods and services with severe deflationary results in many areas. This compounds the currency wars and takes away the FED's best weapon i.e. printing more money.
Then factor in the already existing debt at 70% of GDP (second quarter produced $2.33 of debt for every $1.00 of GDP, scary!), unfunded liabilities and you have a real Catch 22.
As much as I criticize the FED and big banks in general, these people aren't stupid. There are reasons why they aren't listening to the Paul Krugman's of the world.
They really are pushing on a string and Bernanke puts on a brave face while playing his fiddle.
Hard times ahead I'm afraid.
He has cut the "rate of growth" which means he has not cut the defense department at all.
This amounts to (assuming it even happens) a 0.005%
cut followed by another 0.005% on a budget that is approaching 1 Trillion.
These numbers are so overwhelming that too many Americans have trouble conceptualizing them. We need to wake up...the sooner the better.
5 Billion into 1 trillion is 0.5%
Under Clinton the budget was heading the right direction, but it was still 6 trillion in debt.
Bush added another 6, and then his first bailout 7 trillion.
Now there is not enough revenue so every year that goes by the tax cuts are still in place we add another trillion, then plus Obama's stimulus ... almost 14 trillion now.
The interest on this along is eating up much of what we actually pay in taxes forcing us to borrow more.
This is all about grinding working Americans down so we can compete with the Chinese.
We need the rich to pay this back, and they do not want to.
Let's hear some solutions?
Joe Stiglitz and Robert Reich know what to do ... why don't we ever get some of you guys to join together with a plan and lobby it to the people?
You could run for President, I'd vote for you.
So we are going to have a huge military, and desperate citizens with nothing to do? Remind you of anything ... like the Fascist countries before WWII?
No, it reminds me of the Arab Spring. We already got a taste of it with the Occupy Movement.
Brux, the government essentially printed trillions of dollars (by issuing treasury bonds) which it then sold (so that it became debt which we are now paying interest on for the stimulus, the wars, etc. Why should not the government actually print its own money which is then issued without debt and then use that money to buy back the debt that we currently owe so that we would not be paying interest on this forever and saddling generation upon generation with debt we racked up? Isn't the issue at the same time the fact that "we the people" via our government in fact do not control the creation of money which in reality is created as government debt owed to the private banking system? Wouldn't that solve the debt problem?
Can anyone find out how many times speakers have mentioned the name GWB? I have not heard it once.
Are they all ashamed about their own last 2-term president?
And we should want another one?
IF YOU LIKED BUSH, YOU'RE GONNA LOVE ROMNEY.
"I'm Mitt Romney and I'm here to help your business"
BOTH the Republicans and the Democrats are now sending us on a very common 'Fiscal-Course- to-Disaster'. And, yes; It's mostly hidden within 'Plain Sight' (shhh!, it's a Secret!): the Military, and Para-Military 'Budgets' (more aptly called 'Fudgets'.)
After auditing The Fed, also Audit the U S DoD, including all the hidden 'Et Als'. There to be foundSquandered , and pilfered, trillions, for sure!
Now, who will it be? Tweedle Dee, or Tweedle Dum?
The 'Big Bankstas...In-T he-Sky'.....'ow n' BOTH Parties' Candidates. AHhhh! 'Campaign Contributions'. ......
Whether we face Democratic Armageddon, or Republican Style has gotta be irrelevant.
How about Another Path/ 'Party' Entirely?
The only 5 reasons for voting Republican are ignorance, stupidity, insanity, bigotry and greed. There is no other reason, period!
I didn't forget it, the fear falls under ignorance.
WE'RE STILL FALLING.
This time, it’s not just the US of A + a few Allies (ALL LIES) that got dragged through that window (without parachutes) along with Afghanistan, Pakistan & Eye-Rack. This time, it’s the whole world!
You could call it a conspiracy, but it’s plain that plutocrats have been dreaming of this, their own private Idaho – their Very Own Oligarchy – ever since they were weaned.
Remember Philip Larkin’s little poem? It seemed gratuitously outrageous at the time. Does it now?
I want to see them starving,
The so-called working class
Their wages weekly halving
Their women stewing grass.
When I ride out each morning
In one of my new suits
I want to find them fawning
To clean my car and boots.
To “working class” add “middle class” + a (20 year old) snippet about America’s official motto and its real one:
so in THI$ we trusted
with THI$ made free
till even our new mastermammon got clapped out
but not us
till we’re down to our last sixgun
we trust
you’ll pay
Now Obama's 3 year debt has passed that of Bush's 8 year debt including 2 wars... clearly Obama is UNPATRIOTIC...right?
Zero out the Corporate income tax and tax dividends instead! If a company spends it on workers and buying things it adds revenue!
Fix immigration so the businesses that hire them pay their taxes and they pay taxes too!
The operative word here is "IF."
A company can spend it or save it for the future or disperse it as dividends.
Spend it on salaries or business expansion will add to GDP and more Government revenue.
Send it out as dividends and it gets taxed.
Eventually they will do something with it and the government will get its cut.
Quoting conniejo:
You are very confused as to the Budget and the Debt!
The Wars were ALWAYS part of the debt, they were not budgeted for but the debt is what we borrow over what we take in!!
The last statement is only in your dreams and another lie by Obama fabricators!
Quoting bingers:
It's always funny to hear a person so dumb they support Republicans, who lie about everything nearly everytime they make any statement calling someone who supports Obama a fabricator. Even the repulsive spin machine that is Fox News called Ryan out for the pack of lies that constituted his acceptance speech.
The Republicans have adopted the Nazi tactic of the big lie. No I'm not calling them Nazis, so don't get your panties n a bunch, they just act like them with the propaganda.
What about the businesses that are sending jobs overseas in the name of the bigger profit Gods? There doesn't seem to be a political will anywhere to "fix" that except to perpetrate it and bail out the criminals.
"Fix immigration" -now there's a vague, blurry, "let somebody else-figure it out" statement. How would you "fix" it -details pray (I can hardly wait!).
When corporations paid 52% of the federal taxes we flourished, now that they pay 8% of them we're in the toilet.
Corporations are the problem and should not be allowed to spend a cent on political action of any kind.
Such an act used to be considered just a misjudgment or a poor opinion. Not so, these folks are putting the rest of society in danger. A convicted criminal is isolated and put in prison so that they will no longer harm other people. What should be done with individuals who advocate the destruction of our cities and our country?
One just has listen to the nonsense platitudes and irrational statements of these Republicans. If permitted, we can easily show their statements to be irrational. In the meantime, uneducated citizens are easily convinced that truth is being expressed.
The American Republican candidate for President has publicly stated that he prays several times a day. There is no way that this may be proven. However, how can the American public support someone who exposes to lead a nation, based on superstition and unsupported ‘faith’, rather than actuality and facts?
Years ago, Republicans said about Democrats that all they do is "tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend". Republicans, on the other hand borrow, borrow, borrow, spend, spend, spend.
And then they bitch about the deficit (but only when Democrats are in office).
It's hard to comprehend how anyone such as Bernie, who is so obviously a very loving/caring people server (and very bright to boot) can endure living a politican's life today, particularly in Washington, D.C., national capitol of the U. S. of (greed and power) A.(ddiction).
Sen. Sanders, it's you and a very few others (i.e. Kucinich) who are rays of hope for we the sheeple, here and around the world. Please hang in there, and keep working hard, speaking up and out, and doing any and all you can do to...
UNDO THE EVIL COUP !
Part of the discussion at this point needs to be the creation of publicly controlled financial institutions and public control over money creation.
To think you are ever going to be able to "regulate" the private banks at this point so they behave is dillusionary.
Great! Coffee all over the screen. It's almost certain though that a few hundred hobos would do a better job of running the banks than Jamie Dimon and his buddies.
While i certainly agree we need another WPA style program it's important to remember that the WPA (and the New Deal as a whole) was greatly flawed and did not go nearly far enough. As conservatives love to point out these days, the New Deal did not get us out of the depression; World War II did. This is absolutely true. Of course, what the conservatives leave out is that the war effort was a huge government program (both through employment but perhaps even more importantly as consumer through government procurement of everything from planes, cars, trucks etc., to clothing, food, etc). So, in the end whether it was the New Deal or the War Effort that got us out of the depression both were the result of massive government programs. At the same time, most of the New Deal legislation expressly prohibited blacks from being the beneficiary of such benefits e.g., blacks could not get FHA loans to purchase a new home. Finally, the New Deal did not go nearly far enough not just in regulating the banks but in carving out a space for publicly owned financial institutions so that "finance" was also treated like a "public utility" instead of simply a completely privatized system in which money simply makes more money but produces nothing.
If you believe that the US went to war in either Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria for Israel i think you are deluding yourself. The US has always engaged in its imperialist, militarist adventurism to serve its own imperial aims. Israel is viewed as being a necessary ally in that effort but it is for our benefit not theirs. Not to mention that the recent lovefest between American Fundamentalist Christians and Israel again has nothing to do with their love for Israel but rather in their belief that the biblical "apocalyspe" will be a war between Israel and the Arab states out of which both will be destroyed which will then usher in "the Rapture."
It is one thing to be completely critical of Israeli state policy and to talk about the power of the Israeli lobby in washington but that is very different from believing that the US ruling class ever does anything to benefit anyone other than themselves (if someone else benefits in the process that is fine but that is a mere consequence and not the reason for it being so in the first place).
I like them just fine.
Fred
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