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Cole writes: "A white terrorist cell on a military base in Georgia plotted to assassinate President Barack Obama and stage a military coup. It murdered two former members of the cell. It bought $87,000 of military grade weaponry and land in Washington state. It planned to bomb a dam in Washington and poison its apple crop. It planned to take over Fort Stewart in Georgia."

File photo: US Army Sgt. Anthony Peden, 25, right, and Pvt. Isaac Aguigui, 19, depart after appearing before a magistrate judge at the Long County Sheriffs Office in Ludowici, Georgia, 12/12/11. (photo: Lewis Levine/AP)
File photo: US Army Sgt. Anthony Peden, 25, right, and Pvt. Isaac Aguigui, 19, depart after appearing before a magistrate judge at the Long County Sheriffs Office in Ludowici, Georgia, 12/12/11. (photo: Lewis Levine/AP)



White Terrorist Plot to Assassinate the 'Commander in Chief'

By Juan Cole, Informed Comment

28 August 12

 

white terrorist cell on a military base in Georgia plotted to assassinate President Barack Obama and stage a military coup. It murdered two former members of the cell. It bought $87,000 of military grade weaponry and land in Washington state. It planned to bomb a dam in Washington and poison its apple crop. It planned to take over Fort Stewart in Georgia.

The National Security Agency is massively and illegally spying on ordinary Americans. Peace activists are bothered by police and put on watch lists. Journalists like Amy Goodman have been beaten up for covering peaceful protests. The NYPD conducted extensive espionage on American citizens of Muslim heritage not only in NYC but far beyond their jurisdiction. Rep. Peter King of New York keeps holding hearings on the alleged radicalization of American Muslims (who are mostly pillars of the American establishment; King himself supports IRA terrorism).

But extremist white Christian soldiers want to kill the president and privately stockhold thousands of dollars worth of military grade weapons? Apparently if they hadn't started murdering people they could have flown under the radar on all that.

All those right wing politicians and commentators who kept hammering Obama as a foreigner, a Muslim, illegitimate, a budding dictator– they created the hothouse atmosphere that fostered this kind of evil.

Indeed, apparently one of the four plotters was a page at the 2008 Republican Convention.

Republicans aren't responsible for having crazed assassins among them– that would be guilt by association. But they are responsible for promoting irrationality by using fear, demonization, taboos, innuendo and coded race discourse. It is reasoned argument that makes for democracy. Karl Rove and Rupert Murdoch and Koch brothers' rhetorical tactics release chickens that eventually will come to roost.

And don't get me started about what the Bush White House would have done if minority members in uniform had gotten up such a plot against W. They'd have used it to put progressives in concentration camps. Because Democrats are not on the whole demagogic, this plot will likely not even get that much air play.

Nor will the National Rifle Association come under any pressure to stop insisting that extremists and the mentally ill have free and constant access to military grade weaponry.

What I'm afraid of is that demagoguery and semi-automatic weapons will keep dominating our society until something very bad happens, something which may cost us even more of our liberties.

 

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+142 # Kwelinyingi 2012-08-28 13:00
White and Terrorist seems to be a contradiction in terms --- according to our mainstream media that is. Until now I thought that was an exclusive domain of colored folks. Thanks RSN!
 
 
+3 # Jim Young 2012-08-29 08:30
My old party's provocateurs, do seem less mindful of unintended (I hope) consequences. I hope they don't have another Smedley Butler episode in mind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot). It does seem the Truethevote group is dangerously provocative with their "Plan B" talk. See http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/2012-election/video-tea-party-group-true-vote-send-whites-intimidate-blacks-polling
 
 
+135 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2012-08-28 13:42
Kwelinyingi, they are THE ORIGINAL TERRORISTS, but do not see themselves as such. They honestly believe they are "devout Christians," while committing murder, stealing, and other heinous crimes. It is only "terrorism" when someone of a different hue committs these criminal acts. On the upside, there are MANY MORE white people who face down this type of thing. They don't just look the other way and pretend that nothing's happening, anymore. The "Rigidous Right" (because there's NOTHING CHRISTIAN about them) wants those times of yesteryear to return.
 
 
+75 # Kwelinyingi 2012-08-28 14:48
I'm with you on this one TAP and your point is well taken. Part of the problem is the ignorant, bigoted and usually lazy journalist's recourse to stereotyping to avoid the challenges of credible and responsible journalism. As a result, some groups suffer racial profiling disproportionat ely and become innocent victims of entrenched stereotypes. When was the last time for instance have we heard of Israeli atrocities in occupied Palestine couched in terms of "terrorism"?. Hardly ever. The negative impact of such stereotyping (that coincides with media control by closet racists) on some groups is huge when we think about it --- wars, drone attacks, cyber warfare, harsh economic sanctions and on and on.
 
 
+63 # WestWinds 2012-08-28 21:48
You are correct when you say the rest of us whites are facing them down. Here in Tampa, there was a protest rally to greet Romney's entourage. Several persons in black shirts showed up and I guess they were contemplating starting something, but the Occupiers were having none of it and stared them down. They soon melted away and the protest was not marred by agitators of the Right-wing persuasion.
 
 
+20 # bigkahuna671 2012-08-29 08:32
TAP, I've been saying for years that these so-called Christian patriots are neither. Christ would condemn these phonies to the hell they say the rest of us are going to because we're not "born again." As for being patriots, most of them never served and if they did, it was in the rear with the beer and the gear. Ah yes, the righteous "Christians" truly want America to return to the days when only whites rules and them damned coloreds knew their place.
 
 
+5 # Anarchist 23 2012-08-31 09:54
People should read about Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who helped found the 'Confessing' church (which 'confessed' Jesus and the teachings found in the Gospels) and the struggle against the 'Official' German church, which put Hitler and the Nazi party before the teachings of Jesus. It seems these 'Xtians' at the Tampa convention have followed the Nazi playbook.
 
 
+113 # freeportguy 2012-08-28 16:15
Watch the very people (Limbaugh, Hannity and other usual suspects) who accuse the Obama Administration of lacking accountability washing their own hands of all these domestic terrorist cells...
 
 
+39 # cordleycoit 2012-08-28 19:46
most of these plots turn out to have the FBI supplying the stuff and putting everyone together in the same place. These guys might be real remember the Order they were dangerous after all they shot Alan Berg one of the inventors of modern talk radio. Generally these plotters are barroom commandos used as excuses to take another right or finish off our liberty under guise of protection. Been going on since Rome 230 B.C.
 
 
+38 # WestWinds 2012-08-28 21:53
You're so spot-on. America is really due for a big overhaul. We need to get the corruption out and go back to striving to be the best that we can be in this world and not a bunch of rogue anarchist imperialists. Thanks for making this point.
 
 
+9 # kalpal 2012-08-29 03:08
Been going on since Rome 230 B.C.

Hey, I remeber those days sitting in Ceasar's bar and grill next to the coliseum, having a cold flagon of wine and a chicken leg and telling my buddies how I was going to overthrow the empire and start a new religion. They said, give it up, Paul. Well, I showed them.
 
 
+48 # Todd Williams 2012-08-29 03:43
Well these assholes were NOT barroom commandos. They are the real deal. What scares me the most is that they were trained by the US military and had the automatic weapons to pull off their plot. I wonder if they were also Oath Keepers?
 
 
+23 # genierae 2012-08-29 08:52
cc: They killed two people so their plot wouldn't be exposed, so I think it's safe to say they are as real as it gets. I know from relatives who are soldiers just how much white supremacist hatred affects the ranks, and those who are open to that are always those who have no one to care about them. It becomes like the family they never had. We must heal this society or it is finished.
 
 
+7 # Jim Young 2012-08-29 14:02
Quoting cordleycoit:
...These guys might be real, remember the Order, they were dangerous, after all they shot Alan Berg...


I do remember Alan Berg (after your timely reminder). What a sad day for free speech when a few can't contain their festering hatred, fed by such an unrelenting stream of high priced garbage.

I do believe we face similar levels of threat, that our DHS may not be protecting us from as "well" as they claim to be from external threats.
 
 
+17 # TrustMovies 2012-08-28 19:57
Juan--
When you say
"And don't get me started about what the Bush White House would have done if minority members in uniform had gotten up such a plot against W. They'd have used it to put progressives in concentration camps", you are using your imagination to supposedly create what would have happened. You can't KNOW this. As much as I hated the GWB regime and all it did, I would not be willing to say that I know what would have happened in any particular imagined case.

I suggest you go a little easier with the imagination from now on. This will make your writing stronger, clearer and more honest.
 
 
+43 # noitall 2012-08-28 20:34
Quoting TrustMovies:
Juan--
When you say
"And don't get me started about what the Bush White House would have done if minority members in uniform had gotten up such a plot against W. They'd have used it to put progressives in concentration camps", you are using your imagination to supposedly create what would have happened. You can't KNOW this. As much as I hated the GWB regime and all it did, I would not be willing to say that I know what would have happened in any particular imagined case.

I suggest you go a little easier with the imagination from now on. This will make your writing stronger, clearer and more honest.

I agree, "supposing" is the stuff that Fox Noise programming thrives on. But don't we get tired of playing the PC game while the ignorant masses eat up the "suppose" journalism and vote accordingly? The democrats and the left in general are far too fair in this neo-American culture of "don't give a sucker and even break" and the realization that lies take time and money to un-do. No longer does this culture cast a stern eye at liars, cheats, thieves (unless they're petty), and ass holes.
 
 
+32 # WestWinds 2012-08-28 21:56
I think the operative word here is "extrapolation" . Based on past behavior, I don't think it's a far stretch to "know" how the Bush regime would have responded to such a threat. You're getting lost in epistemology; how do we know that we know.
 
 
+36 # kyzipster 2012-08-29 04:58
Conservatives are still using a short YouTube clip from the 2008 election of a member of the New Black Panthers acting inappropriately at a voting precinct to further their racist agenda. Charges of a violation of the Voting Rights Act were dropped by the Bush Justice Department but they've successfully made their base believe that the Obama Administration showed racial bias by not prosecuting. Laws have been passed across the country making it more difficult for minorities and others to vote, the result will favor the Republicans.

I don't believe it's a stretch at all to suggest that conservatives would use a similar plot to further their agenda while the left will allow this news to pass without much fuss. These are the same people who wanted to put HIV+ people in concentration camps in the 1980s and today they want to deport tens of millions of illegal workers. The only way to accomplish this would be to round up these millions, tearing apart families and communities, and place them in detainment camps while they wait to be placed on trains and buses for deportation. It would be absolute chaos and inhumane to say the least. Conservatism in this country is a fascist and evil movement in my opinion. We can't KNOW the future, but we have plenty of evidence to back up our conjecture.
 
 
-10 # DaveM 2012-08-28 19:59
"Nor will the National Rifle Association come under any pressure to stop insisting that extremists and the mentally ill have free and constant access to military grade weaponry."

The average American has no access to any form of "military grade weaponry", unless they wish to purchase it illegally (which I have no doubt some do). The so-called "assault rifles" often discussed in the popular media do indeed LOOK like military weapons, but lack several key features--notab ly fully automatic fire--and do not function at all in the same way as "the real thing".

Meanwhile, during the U.S. occupation of Iraq, every family was allowed to keep an AK-47 (a real one, not a lookalike) at home for self-defense purposes. We permitted Iraqi civilians a freedom our own do not have.

I would be interested in learning the details of the "stockpile of weapons". There is no question that these are violent, bad-intention men. They are hardcore criminals who had no qualms about committing murder. Beyond that, they had "plans", which have been genuine or may have been angry talk spewed across a barroom after a few beers. A fair number of "terrorists" are currently serving long prison sentences for less.

Yes, the bad guys need to be attended to--these were. But we must take care that we do not become what we claim to fight, or lose what we claim to fight for.
 
 
+13 # brux 2012-08-28 20:15
oh come on dave, do you really equate the us with iraq ... and what if iraqis having guns is actually hurting them, you want the same thing here too?
 
 
+35 # kyzipster 2012-08-29 05:07
The Colorado theater shooter managed to shoot 70 people with legally obtained weapons in a matter of minutes. The police could not even calculate the number of rounds fired. The definition of a 'military grade weapon' is an irrelevant technicality in my opinion, we have a problem in this country.
 
 
+10 # bigkahuna671 2012-08-29 08:18
You've got to be kidding. Automatic weapons aren't available to people at gun shows? You're full of it. The NRA totally supports any and all types of gun ownership including any automatic weapon a person would like. Thanks Wayne and Charlton for making sure we all feel totally secure. You might wish to pretend it's not so, but hiding your head in the sand doesn't erase the facts.
 
 
+12 # genierae 2012-08-29 08:58
How fortunate for the Iraqis that we were so generous to "allow" them to have a weapon in their houses, DaveM. Never mind that we illegally invaded their country, and killed hundreds of thousands of them, destroying Iraq in the process. What an illusion to think that the USA is still a benevolent democracy, we are a warmongering, corporatized plutocracy, and we will run over anyone who gets in the way of profit.
 
 
+6 # MylesJ 2012-08-29 11:44
the next town over from us has a store on main street that sells machine guns

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/general-firearm-discussion/6247-west-coast-machine-guns-cottage-grove.html
 
 
+6 # lbn108 2012-08-28 20:07
Seems one wouldn't get much in the way of land And military weaponry for $87,000...
 
 
+6 # carpepax 2012-08-29 07:56
I'm pretty sure he means that "$87,000 worth of military-grade weapons" and "land in Washington state" are two different things. It is slightly unclear, though, based on Juan's sentence structure.
 
 
+13 # brux 2012-08-28 20:14
Seems like a good idea not to totally get rid of the death penalty as long as we have violent criminal lunatic types like this. This is scary. Where do people get these kinds of idea ... a military coup .... and they expect to be able to force the whole country to abide that?
 
 
+69 # Street Level 2012-08-28 20:17
"after appearing before a magistrate judge at the Long County Sheriff's Office in Ludowici, Georgia"?
These guy's plot to kill the President, have an arsenal of military grade weapons and get held at county jail? No CIA and DHS? Oh yeah, they're white.
 
 
+34 # fedupinredmond 2012-08-28 20:25
The Obama administration has carried on and increased the surveillance of Americans and is continuing to erode our rights, while at the same time it furthers American terrorism around the world

Meanwhile Republicans are whipping up homegrown hate, by fear-mongering and out-right lies that are being eagerly consumed by the ignorant masses. For the last 30 years, Republicans have been fostering ignorance by destroying our educational system to such an extent that CIVICS to most americans refers to a brand of car rather than knowledge of how our government is designed to work.

As long as we as a country continue down the road of partisanship both sides are going to take us right over the brink.

Neither of our two political parties offer any answers. Nor does the corporate road of profit and greed.

If not now, when do we actually begin to LIVE the essential teachings of every religion on this planet: treat others like we would wish to be treated, practice tolerance, forgiveness and understanding, and individually and as a society adopt the attitude of gratitude and love.
I know this sounds trite. But If we do start "becoming the changing we want to see" soon than we will surely destroy ourselves and the on which we live. Perhaps we are already too far gone. But at some point we must realize that we are in a very deep hole and we have to stop digging!
 
 
+1 # carpepax 2012-08-29 08:02
Your last paragraph reads as if typed from a state of desperate panic.

Slow down. Breathe. Meditate on what you want to say before you let your fingers touch the keys. Don't leave out important words like planet. ;)
 
 
+33 # fedupinredmond 2012-08-28 20:26
It is time to focus on what unites us instead of what divides us.
 
 
+64 # cascadian12 2012-08-28 20:32
The point of this article was to discuss the double standard on terrorism that we have in the U.S. The NSA spies on peaceful occupiers, and federal law actually makes it a TERRORIST act to defend animals from the cruelty that is pervasive in animal-related industries (factory farms, etc.). The military and government are completely unaccountable, just like in the good old days of Indian genocide. As was pointed out, if a leftist ever employed violence in the pursuit of justice, the government would bring the full weight of its power to crush that individual and every person associated with that individual, and we'd all lost what's left of our civil liberties. In the meantime, the list of white supremacist and violent groups continues to grow aided and abetted by the GOP. Do they foster an atmosphere of violence? Absolutely. Ask former Representative Gabrielle Giffords.
 
 
+18 # WestWinds 2012-08-28 21:59
Excellent response.
 
 
+50 # readerz 2012-08-28 20:43
Why hasn't this been page 1 on all media? I know that there are a lot of these terror cells, but suppressing the news will only make it worse.
 
 
+14 # WestWinds 2012-08-28 22:00
Dubya said it, "It will take time to restore chaos." For in chaos, they are free to do their worst.
 
 
-17 # Johnny Genlock 2012-08-28 22:34
. . . because this is old news from 2011 and is likely being misrepresented here for your "fear" edification.
 
 
+5 # Johnny Genlock 2012-08-28 23:04
These folks were arrested in 2011. Why only news now? Here are some anomalous statements:

Fort Stewart spokesman Kevin Larson said the Army has dropped its own charges against the four soldiers in the slayings of Roark and York. The Military authorities filed their charges in March but never acted on them. Fort Stewart officials Monday refused to identify the units the accused soldiers served in and their jobs within those units.

"Fort Stewart-Hunter Army Airfield does not have a gang or militia problem," Larson said in a prepared statement, though he said Army investigators still have an open investigation in the case.

"However, we don't believe there are any unknown subjects," he said.

District Attorney Tom Durden said his office has been sharing information with federal authorities, but no charges have been filed in federal court. Jim Durham, an assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Georgia, would not comment on whether a case is pending.

No other unknown suspects does not sound like some huge militia underground. It sounds like a few nuts here that killed their own; one of which turned States Evidence and is no doubt the source of the info. Plot on POTUS = reduced sentence for him.
 
 
+18 # Billy Bob 2012-08-29 09:50
Why is it that whenever these TERRORISTS are self-described republicans we must treat them like lone nuts with absolutely no connection to all the other "lone nuts" who have the same goals?

When they're Islamic terrorists we send them to torture camps until they die of old age. We also have to look under our bed at night for other Muslims that might be lurking about. In short, we go into panic mode.

BUT, when they're just white republican terrorists who's only crime is taking AM radio seriously, we must turn the other cheek.

WHY IS THAT?
 
 
+12 # JetpackAngel 2012-08-29 01:33
Because they're white, and white people do no wrong. Only brown people and gays are terrorists.

*bangs head against wall*

"We are all brothers under the skin, and I for one would be willing to skin humanity to prove it." --Ayn Rand
 
 
+12 # Nel 2012-08-29 03:23
That's is the point. We have a Joseph Goebbels' style media, academic journalism included.
 
 
-18 # loonard 2012-08-28 21:04
LOOK OVER HERE!!! Someone is doing something!!!!

DO 'NOT' LOOK AT YOUR LEADERS AND WHERE THEY ARE TAKING YOU!!!!



LOOK OVER HERE!!! Someone is doing something!!!!
 
 
+26 # Erdajean 2012-08-28 21:33
"What I'm afraid of is that demagoguery and semi-automatic weapons will keep dominating our society until something very bad happens, something which may cost us even more of our liberties."

It is nothing short of a miracle, Mr. Cole, that "something very bad" has not happened already. Given the blatant lies, hatred of race and religious differences and any gender other than ass-kickin' white male, along with abysmal ignorance, sick media, joblessness, economic tragedy and a bunch of other incendiary issues, we have been sitting on a powder keg as the fuse burns right past our feet.

Meanwhile, our "officials" spy on and arrest peaceful people for saying what MUST be said. It is as though there is one act of "terror" that the U.S. won't tolerate, and that is the spreading of the Truth.

Amazing that this reported "incident" so far has been "brought to justice" by a magistrate in Ludowici, Georgia -- heretofore known as the Speed Trap of the Universe. Where are the FBI and CIA? Spying on the League of Women Voters, without a doubt.
 
 
+2 # Anarchist 23 2012-08-31 10:03
Poor MSM writers-somethi ng 'bad' already happened-911 Truth Movement is out here telling people-and still the masses don't get it! 911 was an inside job-everything that has happened-loss of civil liberties, 2 wars, surveillance state, THS/DHS 'strip search' to travelers,VIPR road blocks, 'papers please'-all is traced back to the Big Lie of our time-911. This Sept 11 do something meaningful-inve stigate for yourselves the 911 myths and lies.
 
 
+26 # giraffee2012 2012-08-28 23:36
Why the hell doesn't the South form its own "union" - country. They lean on CA/NY for bread/butter and in return bring their alleged "christian" (which is not christian) hatred of any non-white person. The NRA can stay with these Southern states. I have no idea how any person of any color can stand to live among this white trash - which includes their elected officials (most of them) and judicial system etc.

I'm so sick and tired to hear the King and Bachmann thypes spew their whiteness over the networks as if "we care" about their phobic rhetoric. They live in hatred and breed it and pass it on from generation to generation.

If the white supreme type states don't want to cecede then why don't the rest of us leave and form our own "perfect union"

VOTE DEM, VOTE OBAMA or we will be ruled by this white trash and another one like Scalia will be appointed to the Supreme Court (maybe more than one)

VOTE - d..n it -- don't repeat 2010 by staying at home and complaining about Obama (He ain't king and Congress holds the purse -so he cannot DO ALL YOU THINK HE SHOULD)

And BTW - he's done a lot but gets absolutely no credit - even the Dems in Congress seem to have lost their voices.

VOTE
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2012-08-30 09:29
Quoting giraffee2012:
Why the hell doesn't the South form its own "union" - country....

I'm so sick and tired to hear the King and Bachmann thypes spew their whiteness over the networks as if "we care" about their phobic rhetoric. They live in hatred and breed it and pass it on from generation to generation.

If the white supreme type states don't want to cecede then why don't the rest of us leave and form our own "perfect union"

VOTE


Um, they tried this one already...it was called seccession and it led to a little thing called the Civil War.

What about all of the african american, latinos and other minorities currently living in the south not to mention poor whites or workers fighting for the right to organize? would you simply abandon them to the whims of the ultra-right wing in the south?

And, King and Bachmann are not southerners so to say that the south should again secceed because you are sick and tired of King and Bachman (as am i) is a non-sequitur not to mention that it either ignores or covers over the racism that existed then and continues to exist in the north. The north on its own has never been the
"perfect union" you seem to be suggesting it would be without the south.
 
 
+19 # vgirl1 2012-08-29 04:01
White terrorism in this country has existed since the Civil War. The KKK and its idology has been terrorist based since its inception. It's just that when the terrorism was against a minority it was never considered terrorism and generally not condemned. Only when minorities from other parts of the world started to pursue stealth attacks upon the majprity innocents similar to what the KKK had done for years on minority innocents that the term terroists came into being. Only then did clandestine attacks on civilians including women and children become appalling to so many in the US majority community.
 
 
+14 # mike/ 2012-08-29 04:02
?white terrorist cell on a military base in Georgia" is the scary part. this was taking place on a military base where there are usually safeguards in place, though not foolproof.

though it reads like a really bad B-movie, it makes you wonder about the possible connections to higher personnel. was there a Gen. Jack D. Ripper from "Dr. Strangelove" is a very easy leap.

we are living in a very sad time right now...
 
 
+11 # sapereaudeprime 2012-08-29 04:03
If these men are found guilty, they must be executed publicly to get the message across. Otherwise the whole thing will be forgotten by the very demographic base that needs to be warned. Also, this country needs to reinstate the draft, and make voting contingent on national service in uniform for two years. That would not include "missionary" service in Europe or hiding in a family-owned business or a political party. If we had a real militia like that of Switzerland, we wouldn't need a huge military-indust rial complex like the one we have now, which is exactly what Eisenhower warned us about.
 
 
+10 # in deo veritas 2012-08-29 05:42
RIGHT ON! Since the draft was suspended, way too many have been getting a free ride as citizenship is merely an accident of birthplace. Even with the draft if it was conducted as criminally corrupt as it was during the Vietnam War lots of cowards like Cheney, etc. would slip through the cracks.
 
 
+18 # in deo veritas 2012-08-29 05:47
Also it would be great to require the period of national service in uniform as a requirement for holding public office. I know- the chimp didn't really perform his commitments but still got to pose in a flight suit. Also make the candidates pass the same test on government and history that prospective citizens take to earm their naturalized citizenship. I seriously doubt that very many of the teabaggers in Congress could pass the tests I gave my high school seniors.
 
 
+8 # bigkahuna671 2012-08-29 08:26
in deo veritas, I taught American Govt for many years and I know darned well that most of the teabaggers, as well as the people they glorify (Bachmann, Palin, et al), couldn't pass a high school government test, nor could Wayne LaPierre. I've always stressed to my students that the Bill of Rights was written at a time during which the advances (?) we see in technology today could not even have been imagined. Additionally, an actual organized, government-fund ed full-time military was off in the distant future. As a result, the 2nd amendment is twisted until it's been turned into something our forefathers would never recognize.
 
 
+5 # Billy Bob 2012-08-29 09:14
We don't execute terrorists. People even accused of terrorism are usually taken (without trial) to a secret location where they are tortured...

FOREVER.

They WANT to die, but we FORCIBLY deny them that right. We FORCE them to live so they can continue to be tortured and we can continue to "have a little fun".

If that's what we "must" do to deal with terrorism, then we MUST DO THE SAME THING TO THESE REPUBLICAN TERRORISTS.
 
 
+5 # mickeynow 2012-08-29 12:11
Seems to me that execution is a pitiful way of spending money. It costs so much to try and effectuate our desires of retribution. Because that is all it is. No scaring other people off from doing the same thing. Far better to let them languish in jail for life without the possibility of parole. Maybe, a yearly report on the progress of their slow demise in the national papers is a better way to remind the populace of their crimes. Of course, none of this will deter the rest of the nut jobs. As for the rest of your comments, I'm all for national service of two years, but it doesn't need to be tied to military service. We have way too much military now. A draft is the best way to spread out the risk of service among the citizens. Particularly with higher income groups who never seem to be affected by the decisions of congress. The numbers of military personnel that come from political families is abysmally low. Some suggestions from number crunchers is that it approaches zero. No deferments of any type. Whatsoever. None. As it is, the risk is now carried by mostly lower income groups. Especially now, with unemployment so rampant among those groups.
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-08-29 17:56
I agree. A no-deferment draft would help the peace movement, because the rich would have to choose between their profits and their children.
 
 
+19 # brenda 2012-08-29 05:14
Republicanism of today = High Treason. Just look at all the things they are doing against the Democrats and voters. UNBELIVEABLE !!! I am writing in response to all the unchecked Republican crap that's been going down. It's genuinely a Corruption and a "never in the history of the United States" conspiracy to subvert the entre 98% of the American population, including the Republican dupes that have drunk the Republican's Kool-aid and are gleefully marching into the "2%" filthy rich's crematory ovens.
 
 
+23 # Billy Bob 2012-08-29 05:36
Now that we know republicans not only "pal around" with terrorists, but some of them ACTUALLY ARE actively engaged in terrorist activities...

WILL WE BE SENDING THEM TO GUANTANAMO?

I'd like to know, because either we need to shut down Guantanamo and put people on trial so they can be held in American prisons, or we should be consistent and TREAT ALL TERRORISTS THE SAME.

I wonder how well these repuglicans would stand up to the torture techniques they believe in using on little brown skinned people.
 
 
+16 # in deo veritas 2012-08-29 05:38
Just use the new antiterrorist law recently signed into being and send these vermin to Gitmo to rot forever. I am sure they will enjoy the company of the untried or unconvicted Muslims there.
 
 
-11 # RobertMStahl 2012-08-29 06:25
An agenda is an agenda. Ever read More Die of Heartbreak by Saul Bellow, thusly murdered afterward, like clockwork? An agenda is an agenda.

Drones. And, I am not saying Romney's death squad money is better. It may be worse. The constitution is debased over time by wordiness in regulations over the basics of the statutes. Larkin Rose epitomizes this. Also, "I did not have sex with this woman." Now, take Abdul-Rahman al-Awlaki as the same precedent.

The Old Guard we must replaced. Where is Indira Singh? Who is William Binney? What did Bernard Von NotHaus stand for?
 
 
+7 # Billy Bob 2012-08-29 09:46
What are talking about?

I think it's interesting that you chose an article about republicans trying to murder the Democratic President of the United States, to make some snide remark about President Clinton committing a sin.

Clearly the guys who wanted to murder OUR PRESIDENT felt he isn't up to their moral standards either.
 
 
+6 # reiverpacific 2012-08-29 17:41
Quoting RobertMStahl:
An agenda is an agenda. Ever read More Die of Heartbreak by Saul Bellow, thusly murdered afterward, like clockwork? An agenda is an agenda.

Drones. And, I am not saying Romney's death squad money is better. It may be worse. The constitution is debased over time by wordiness in regulations over the basics of the statutes. Larkin Rose epitomizes this. Also, "I did not have sex with this woman." Now, take Abdul-Rahman al-Awlaki as the same precedent.

The Old Guard we must replaced. Where is Indira Singh? Who is William Binney? What did Bernard Von NotHaus stand for?

In English please?!
 
 
+7 # Peace Anonymous 2012-08-29 06:26
Now do you understand?? This is what they have been promoting all over the world to create enemies. This same thought process and influence gave birth to the thing we call "terrorism" in the Middle East and elsewhere. We cause the problem. And the solution is to invade at taxpayers expense while the revenue (weapons, oil, and drugs) all flow into the same hands - over and over again. The same tactics used to get Iraqi oil are being used here. Control the power (government), control the people, control the wealth. Think about this America...do you really want Romney's fingers anywhere near THE BUTTON?
 
 
-31 # jtatu 2012-08-29 06:42
"Because Democrats are not on the whole demagogic." Are you kidding? Their whole approach is to appeal to prejudice, envy and a sense of entitlement plus trying to convince their followers that they are victims. This article is Exhibit A. And by the way where was the news media outcry when the gay-rights activist shot the guard at the RFC?
 
 
+9 # reiverpacific 2012-08-29 17:39
Quoting jtatu:
"Because Democrats are not on the whole demagogic." Are you kidding? Their whole approach is to appeal to prejudice, envy and a sense of entitlement plus trying to convince their followers that they are victims. This article is Exhibit A. And by the way where was the news media outcry when the gay-rights activist shot the guard at the RFC?

Backup and reference please.
And where was the outcry when tea-bastards carried guns openly to Obama public appearances? I suppose you'll say the wanted to protect him.
We are talking about home-based terrorism here, poisoning reservoirs, blowing up dams as well as assassination.
Again, only in America!
 
 
+13 # pencinio 2012-08-29 07:07
Might we say that the first "domestic" terrorists in the U.S. were those Civil War veterans from the Confederate side who refused to accept defeat, many of whom became, and came to be known as, the KKK?
 
 
+6 # genierae 2012-08-30 07:50
I often wonder pencinio, if we shouldn't have let them secede. Then all the right-wing extremists would live in the south, while we in the north could create a new society where everyone really is equal, and the common good is the top priority. We would soon see who had the better country, the contrast would be impossible to ignore.
 
 
+6 # Buddha 2012-08-29 09:04
Meanwhile Rep. King held anti-American-M uslim witchhunt hearings protraying their "radicalization " as the only real terrorist threat we face today. Right.
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-08-29 09:28
I think it's time to take these white REPUBLICAN TERRORIST SLEEPER CELLS more seriously. They pose a threat to our homeland security and must be routed out. Anyone known to be sympathetic to their cause (Sharon Angle, Michelle Bachmann, Bill O'Reilly, Anne Coulter, etc.) should be treated the way we treat ALL other known terrorist sympathizers.

WHY DO REPUBLICAN TERRORISTS HATE AMERICA?!? I think they hate us for our freedoms.

Therefore, I don't think it would be safe for our homeland security to give these people a trial in the U.S. They need to be removed from our country where they can pose no threat. Afterall, we don't want our first warning to be a mushroom cloud, do we? After extraordinary rendition proceedures and a little creatively applied ENHANCED INTEROGATION, we will be able to rest in the knowledge that our country is still safe for freedom and democracy.

Just like Donald Rumsfeld said about brown-skinned terrorists, "ALL AMERICANS NEED TO WATCH WHAT THEY SAY". Any comments against the President of the United States (OUR President) should be taken for what they are: TREASON, and TERRORIST SYMPATHY.
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-08-29 09:42
The ONLY difference between these conservative terrorists and the conservative Muslim terrorists who attacked us on 9-11 is that, THIS TIME no one sat back and intentionally let them get away with it.
 
 
+1 # Anarchist 23 2012-08-31 10:10
Yesm, be very afraid of those Muslim terrorists! They suspended the laws of physics when theyu brought down WT)1,2 & 7 at free fall speed , melting tons of steel instantaneously with purified jet-grade kerosene-a hydro-carbon. And those silly steel workers thought they had to use blast furnaces to make steel for all those years! Poor fools! Oh yeah-some of the 'hijackers' are still alive in Saudi Arabia1 wouldn't you love to learn the magic that allowed them to apparat a la Harry Potter out of the suicide plane before they crashed and presumably-died ? MIHOP not LIHOP-it's scarier agreed but remember 'The Truth Shall Set You Free' 911 Truth in 2012!
 
 
+10 # Skanner 2012-08-29 11:57
It's great that RSN and Huffington have covered this story so well, but why is the story being mostly ignored elsewhere? It should be 'front page news' on Google News, but you have to search on "militia assasination" to find even the few stories on it, nationally. Why the silence?
 
 
+9 # reiverpacific 2012-08-29 17:42
Quoting Skanner:
It's great that RSN and Huffington have covered this story so well, but why is the story being mostly ignored elsewhere? It should be 'front page news' on Google News, but you have to search on "militia assasination" to find even the few stories on it, nationally. Why the silence?

Welcome to the US owner-media tabloids.
 
 
+9 # Billy Bob 2012-08-29 17:54
I'll give ya a hint:

And it ain't because we have a "liberal" media.
 
 
+6 # Activista 2012-08-29 12:26
"Four U.S. military (active) servicemen are suspected of forming a militia group with the aim of assassinating President Barack Obama and overthrowing the government, the Detroit Free Press daily reported.... They are also suspected of killing their group’s comrade and his girlfriend to keep their plans secret after he had decided to leave the group."
It is ironic that NON-CENSORED news about USA is available on en.rian.ru/world/20120829/175490481.html

Who is the TOTALITARIAN state now?
 
 
+5 # Mrcead 2012-08-30 03:54
"What I'm afraid of is that demagoguery and semi-automatic weapons will keep dominating our society until something very bad happens, something which may cost us even more of our liberties."

You've uncovered their plan methinks. Such a measure would only allow the elites and their acolytes free reign over America.
 
 
+5 # Antler 2012-08-30 21:00
When violence is carried out for a political or ideological agenda, then the word "terrorist" is the correct word to use. You got it right this time. Good job.
 
 
+3 # the wizard 2012-08-31 02:06
Summary court martial and summary punishment. Blindfolds and cigarettes are in order.
 

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