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Intro: "If you've ever noticed an inconspicuous dome-shaped camera out in public, chances are good that a private company called Abraxas, consisting of highly-skilled CIA elites in Northern Virginia, have noticed you. And above just noticing you on camera, they have your face on file, track your movements from place to place, and know what car you drive, your home address, your occupation, and only God (and the CIA) knows what else."

'Those who make nonviolent revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.' - JFK (photo: unknown)
'Those who make nonviolent revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.' - JFK (photo: unknown)


Time for a Revolution

By Carl Gibson, Reader Supported News

17 August 12

 

"Those who make nonviolent revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion." - Thomas Jefferson
"Power concedes nothing without a demand ... The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." - Frederick Douglass

f you've ever noticed an inconspicuous dome-shaped camera out in public, chances are good that a private company called Abraxas, consisting of highly-skilled CIA elites in Northern Virginia, have noticed you. And above just noticing you on camera, they have your face on file, track your movements from place to place, and know what car you drive, your home address, your occupation, and only God (and the CIA) knows what else, thanks to a program called TrapWire unearthed by Wikileaks and Anonymous. A whitewash scrub story by the New York Times calls the program "counter-terrorism software," but these leaked Stratfor emails show that TrapWire is mainly used to monitor activists, not terrorists.

The biggest news of the week that nobody's noticed thanks to the Olympics and Miley Cyrus's new haircut is that the Obama administration is appealing Manhattan federal judge Katherine Forrest's ruling that the indefinite detention clause of the National Defense Authorization Act is unconstitutional. The White House has presented no evidence to support their case, but they're still appealing, based on their claim that the executive branch has the right to put anyone deemed a potential terrorist threat in military jail for an indefinite period of time. The most troubling part of this story is that the White House refuses to say whether or not they're still indefinitely detaining people even after Forrest's ruling.

And the anti-protest law, HR 347, that was easily passed through both houses of Congress and signed into law by President Obama without so much as a peep from the media, makes it a felony for anyone to protest anyone, anywhere, where there is secret service protection. To capture the sad irony award of the year, the Department of Homeland Security assisted the Philadelphia Police Department in arresting dozens of nonviolent protesters guilty of nothing else than expressing First Amendment rights of free speech and free assembly at the Occupy National Gathering, in the same city that's home to Independence Hall and the Liberty Bell of all places, on the 4th of July weekend, of all times. On this chilling video, the last feed of the last livestreamer shortly before an unjustified arrest, you can hear the cameraman remind his fellow kettled protesters that they haven't been given any charges, nor any opportunity to disperse before a mass illegal arrest, which is technically a kidnapping.

Perhaps the calculated media silence is because corrupt governments and corporations don't like to have their corruption documented on film and seen by the public. In my current city, Manchester, New Hampshire, one man is facing 21 years in prison, or 3 7-year counts of felony wiretapping, for recording a Manchester police officer slamming the face of a high school student into a cafeteria table.

Our securitized surveillance police state has shown how it reacts to nonviolent protest movements - harsh and brutal retaliation. Protesters nonviolently demonstrating at a meeting of Northeastern governors and Canadian officials in Burlington, Vermont, were attacked with pepper balls and rubber bullets. Anaheim, California, is under what amounts to martial law after the unprovoked murder of an unarmed man by police. Even chalk drawings now are apparently cause for police to shoot artists with rubber bullets, like they did recently in Los Angeles. And in London before the Olympics, a group of bicyclists were tackled by police, pepper-sprayed and arrested for doing nothing other than riding bikes.

So, just to recap - we live in a country where your every move is monitored and tracked by thousands of cameras, where you can be deemed a terrorist threat without a shred of evidence, where protesting politicians and filming police is a felony, and anyone can be indefinitely detained without trial or representation at the order of the President. This means the entire bill of rights is being blatantly disregarded by the current government, with the exception of amendments 2 and 3. The only things that don't appear to be serious crimes worthy of government action are mass shootings like the recent ones in Colorado, Wisconsin and Texas, and, of course, the deliberate mortgage fraud perpetuated by the world's biggest banks, who all just got a free pass from the United States Department of Justice.

The only appropriate government response to mass shootings seems to be thoughts and prayers, combined with more prayers and and thoughts. And the government's official response to bankers kicking families out of their homes so they could buy a newer Bentley was to not press any charges. After all, there are more serious criminals to pursue, like people protesting the behavior of banks.

In a nation with a somewhat reasonable government, like Iceland, a nonviolent protest movement can sometimes lead to the current government being voted out, tried for their crimes, and replaced with a new government that arrests bankers, forgives fraudulent mortgage debt, and crowdsources a new constitution directly from the people.

Concerning less reasonable governments, like the Assad regime in Syria, a nonviolent protest movement had no choice but to take up arms against their government when their protesting was met with cold-blooded murder of children at the hands of state military and police. And after the loss of thousands of lives, the people appear to have almost achieved the seemingly impossible victory of overthrowing their tyrant. Good for them.

Though our elections are rigged, the state isn't yet massacring its citizens in the streets. I'd like to think the ability for the US government to be reasonable lies somewhere between Iceland and Syria. Because Occupy's methods of nonviolent, momentary disruption of society for the sake of civil disobedience were only met with state-sponsored violence and blatant suppression of freedoms, this means tactics must now be amplified if we're to force meaningful change. Acts of protest must now become acts of rebellion, like refusing to waive your 4th amendment rights at a border patrol checkpoint. It can mean blocking the Texas leg of the Keystone XL pipeline. It could even be similar to Roger Pion's retaliation to police in Vermont, when he ran over all their cruisers with his tractor in response to their constant harassment.

The state's first mistake was thinking they could continue their goal of redistributing the last of the wealth owned by the middle class to the richest 1% without resistance. Their second mistake was brutally suppressing the nonviolent uprising that swept the country last Fall, and then continuing their class war as if nothing had happened. If this government makes the third mistake of not responding to the multiple demands that have been made for accountability, for fair elections, or even just an equal shot at a good life for everyone, then the citizens have every right to do what according to Jefferson, should've rightfully been done a long time ago. If small acts of rebellion are ignored, the United States could become the next Syria. In all of history, no tyrannical power has ever conceded peacefully.


Carl Gibson, 24, of Lexington, Kentucky, is a spokesman and organizer for US Uncut, a nonviolent, creative direct-action movement to stop budget cuts by getting corporations to pay their fair share of taxes. He graduated from Morehead State University in 2009 with a B.A. in Journalism before starting the first US Uncut group in Jackson, Mississippi, in February of 2011. Since then, over 20,000 US Uncut activists have carried out more than 300 actions in over 100 cities nationwide. He currently lives in Manchester, New Hampshire. You may contact Carl at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

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-14 # johninnc 2012-08-17 07:42
yes - and soon they will try to outlaw and confiscate all our guns to make any revolution impossible.
 
 
+42 # independentmind 2012-08-17 08:09
And if we all start shooting at each other who wins?
 
 
+36 # RLF 2012-08-17 08:19
No one wins until its over...Just because you're a liberal doesn't mean you have to be a wimp also. Attn: The JFK quote above. (Last ditch!)
 
 
+66 # HowardMH 2012-08-17 08:57
RLF, Agree, but it really isn't about liberals or conservatives. It is more about stupid people than anything else.

As one Idiot Senator said how can there be global warming when we can build a snow man and igloo on the mall in Wash DC, which his kids actually did a couple years ago. However, the real problem is the millions of idiots that voted for these morons. Until food prices doubles or triples these stupid people will not get it – and by then it just might be too late to stop global warming.
As long as the oil and coal companies continue to own the politicians, nothing is going to change on Capital Hill. Until there are two hundred thousand really, really pissed off people on Capital Hill (all at the same time) raising some serious hell absolutely nothing is ever, ever going to happen to these totally bought and paid for by the richest 50 people in the world that are becoming more and more powerful with each passing rigged election thanks to the stupid people.
 
 
+12 # William Bjornson 2012-08-17 18:33
Yeah, it's that guy over there, not me! You are doing exactly what Corporate wants you to do: Pointing at someone else and saying it's 'their' fault and I, myself, don't have to do anything, those people have to change. WRONG. YOU have a beef, YOU have to do something about it. Gov will not help you to make gov healthy again. We must all unite, you, me, and those "stupid" people over there pointing at us and calling us "stupid". We must unite and remove the tumorous disease that has taken over our country, our elite. The best cure for this is a rope but a long range scope is effective also. Avoid gov completely because it is gov's current twisted assignment to protect this parasite at all costs and gov is designed as a buffer for these monsters. We must go around gov. Anyone who points at gov as the enemy is the enemy. They would point you at the cape and sword rather than the hand holding them. It is the elite as individuals that we must remove in toto or erode by attrition, assisted attrition in this case, over time. For the artists out there, it's time to design us a deck of cards with the first 208 faces of the 1% selected for attitude adjustment. Psychopaths are more resistant to change even than pedophiles and do much more damage, not only to children on a massive scale, but to us all. Our grandchildren will visit our graves to thank us for allowing them back their freedom. Ganbatte kudasai!!.
 
 
+7 # wantrealdemocracy 2012-08-18 10:29
We are coming to the anniversary of the birth of the Occupy movement. It is time to make our DEMANDS! We must get out on the streets and STAY THERE. We must follow the advice of Mario Savio and stop the machine---shut it down with our bodies. We must DEMAND a sales tax on all transactions on the Stock Market. We pay a tax when we buy a pair of shoes. Let the banksters pay a tax when they buy stocks and bonds. This money, and the money saved by ending all the wars can be put into a major rebuilding project in our nation. We can put people to work with good pay and benefits to repair our crumbling infrastructure. Then we need to INSIST that our Constitution be enforced as written as the SUPREME LAW OF OUR LAND.
As we prepare for the rebellion we must not vote for the re election of anyone in federal office now. Kick out the corrupt creatures who infest our government.
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2012-08-17 16:26
Wimp equals not trying to overthrow the American government by force?
 
 
+15 # carpepax 2012-08-17 10:16
Hahahahahahahah a! This is where those on the right and left will agree...to disagree with that notion. From millions of cold dead fingers? Why do you think law enforcement left the Tea Party activists alone but cracked down hard on Occupy Wall Street? Because they know the peaceful protesters at Occupy aren't armed. Law enforcement is terrified of the 2nd Amendment crowd which, if things proceed to their likely end as this article warns, may just save any popular movement from total suppression.
 
 
+13 # Billy Bob 2012-08-17 18:28
NOPE. I KNOW some of that law enforcement. They cracked down on OWS for two reasons:

1. They were told to.
2. They disagreed with them anyway.

They don't crack down on the t-baggers for the same reasons in reverse.

Honestly, if you think the U.S. government couldn't squash an armed revolt like a bug, you're kidding youself.

Besides, suppose there REALLY WAS another civil war...

How do expect that to go down? This time it wouldn't be divided so much on geographic lines as purely ideological ones. While 99% don't belong in the 1%, at least 25% of us agree with them anyway, and another 30% or 40% wouldn't commit to a fight.

NOW, add the fact that the police and U.S. military would be fighting against us...

Ever pissed into the wind?
 
 
+4 # mdhome 2012-08-18 08:37
Sad, that you have it exactly right. Only a total massive revolt with tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands killed would have any chance and that chance would be damn slim.
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2012-08-18 10:40
A total massive revolt is a lunatic fantasy. Most of your own neighbors would go against you. The cops and the military like things just the way they are now.

Think about it, a hundred thousand or so military personel were able to take over the entire country of Iraq and Afghanistan. That's taking over FOREIGN countries with entire populations that want them out. Imagine our ENTIRE military against a few thousand nut cases. Imagine that no one else wants to join the few thousand goof balls. THAT'S REALITY.
 
 
+1 # shraeve 2012-08-20 18:30
That is reality - now. If things continue to get worse, many of those people will change sides.
 
 
+1 # shraeve 2012-08-20 18:29
There would not be a serious revolt until most of the police and military were on the side of the revolutionaries , or at least neutral.

One reason the Russian Revolution succeeded was that the Cossacks refused to fight the people.

Leon Trotsky said that as he and a crowd of proletarians were marching past a policeman, the policeman winked at them. Trotsky said at that moment he knew they were going to win.

The violent OWS types who talk about fighting the police are fools. They are not fighting the cops, they are merely testing their patience. If the cops wanted to, they would wipe those fools out in two minutes.
 
 
+14 # Billy Bob 2012-08-17 16:25
Your guns are useless against the U.S. The only purpose they serve is to terrorize your neighbors.
 
 
-1 # shraeve 2012-08-20 18:31
No, they also help us defend ourselves against criminals.
 
 
+10 # William Bjornson 2012-08-17 18:16
Forget, completely, the word "revolution". It is confusing and misdirecting. We do not target the government any more than give a traffic ticket to an automobile. In both cases our target is the 'operator'. In design, our gov works ok but its main program, the Constitution, has one major flaw. It requires humans operating it to function properly. These humans in our gov who are charged with this duty have been selected largely because they are 100% corrupted and respond to the wrong driver, our parasitic elite. The Constitution has no defense against a greed deranged psychopathic elite. This last is our true disease. Class War is what has been going on since at least 1913 when the blackmailed W. Wilson allowed the rothschild bankers to take over America ("Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes its laws." -papa rothschild. Class War has been waged against the American People for generations and the total surrender may be near. Or not. Our elite, both the nouveau and our traditional elite who have betrayed us completely and allowed these pathologically greedy to take over our government, we must remove both of these groups from history. We must do it now. Every one of these people and all of their progeny are infection centers, psychopathic personalities (no empathy, sympathy, altruism), and their removal will 'restore' our true national values which have been skewed exclusively toward greed. The "common good" is a much better idea.
 
 
-26 # ecoforestree 2012-08-17 08:03
You are misinformed about Syria. The government is only trying to protect citizens from foreign terrorists led by Al CIAda and the corrupt US government. This article is not about revolution, It is about promoting another illegal US war against the people of Syria and Iran. The US government loves to brainwash people in to killing for democracy and this another excellent example of the not so subtle way they do this
 
 
+31 # bmiluski 2012-08-17 09:13
So let me understand this. The Syrian government is trying to protect its citizens by killing its own women and children. Oh, I see.
 
 
+13 # dbriz 2012-08-17 12:57
You do understand the geopolitical background in which Syria finds itself.

Then you are likely aware that Syria is (soon to be was) one of the few Middle Eastern nations where Christians are free to worship.

And that our sworn enemy Al Qaeda(now our friends strangely enough)are leading players receiving financing and encouragement in no small way from CIA/MI6 (Turkey and the Mossad have also provided fingerprints) sponsored operatives so they can bring "democracy" to the people of Syria (unless they are Alawites or Christians of course).

The illogic of all this is trumped by the reality that it pleases Bibi and his Likudnik friends in Israel and Washington.

And a final thought about the acts you ascribe to the Syrian government; you are aware that our benevolent Emperor in DC claims exactly the same right for his government?
 
 
+5 # Activista 2012-08-17 12:57
Please read the author reference:
www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/20/syria-protests-continue-a_n_838120.html
from USraeli mass media - pay attention - shooting at the government forces and burning down government buildings IS NOT PEACEFUL protest. Then google bit - and find out that Syria "revolution" was started by Al CIAda with Saudi, Qatar, Bahrain men and arm insurgency.
"The government is only trying to protect citizens from foreign terrorists led by Al CIAda and the corrupt US government" is correct ....
 
 
+17 # pernsey 2012-08-17 10:36
Fox news loves to brainwash the uninformed...lo oks like they claimed another victim.
 
 
+9 # Majikman 2012-08-17 11:18
I agree, ecoforest. The only possible way to understand what's really happening in Syria is via indy media and indy reporters who are actually on the ground. The rest of the garbage media is propaganda...do ing what they do best.
 
 
+9 # spritzler 2012-08-17 08:11
If you think it is time to start thinking about revolution, about whether it is necessary and--more controversially --whether it is possible in the U.S., then please read "Thinking about Revolution," which I co-authored, at www.NewDemocracyWorld.org/thinking.pdf .

--John Spritzler
spritzler@comcast.net
 
 
+39 # Activista 2012-08-17 08:37
man is facing 21 years in prison, or 3 7-year counts of felony wiretapping, for recording a Manchester police officer slamming the face of a high school student into a cafeteria table ...
Where are the media .. they are in Moscow criticizing Putin!
we live in a country where your every move is monitored ... anyone can be indefinitely detained without trial or representation at the order of the President (Obama). People WAKE UP!
 
 
+41 # scotttonto 2012-08-17 08:48
One of the best articles I have read in a while now..... it is this serious... yet... this is the time.. we must ALL... turn up the heat.. and yes... they will kill more of us... this is true Fascism... and communism for the 1%. The so-called... good hearted people of this country.. just keep voting for the same people... party... that wants to leave them in the streets and fight for food with the dogs..... It is truly amazing... the blindness of the American people...so self absorbed.. they absolutely can't see the forest from the trees.
 
 
+9 # bmiluski 2012-08-17 09:16
Instead of groaning and moaning about our 2 party system, go out and start a new party and start at the grass roots in city/state government. Pay your dues and then get national.
 
 
+24 # Erdajean 2012-08-17 10:53
Fine idea that comes WAY too late. Here we are faced with an election of either a very low-functioning criminally-prog rammed automaton and his blank-eyed,tota lly evil conjoined twin, OR another guy we KNOW -- by watching while he boosts his power to imprison us forever. Next he is going to sell us down the river to pick cotton for some of his richest plantation friends. A guy who is going to blame US, the poverty-stricke n, should he lose, for not "giving enough" to offset what the robot rakes in from the richest thugs in the world. A guy whom all the Pink-Toes in Birkenstocks support without a qualm -- or a solitary caution.
No I do NOT like this man. Yet if we do not vote for him, Evil Robots Inc. take over.
We are in TERRIBLE trouble, my friends. I am very old, and my dreams go back to the rise of the Third Reich -- and the people, THEN, who thought if we just "went along" and ignored it, it would all be OK.
They, and their apathy, would soon be ashes.
 
 
+12 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-08-17 08:53
I have a suggestion for me-legally move to Canada.
 
 
+29 # indian weaver 2012-08-17 09:15
Canada will get you if Amerika doesn't. Don't kid yourself. Canada is no place to hide. They are becoming a carbon copy of Amerika. It wasn't always this way. During Viet Nam, many did emigrate to Canada. My wife and I had an appt. with the Immigration Officer in Chicago in June, 1970 to flee the Viet Nam nightmare but I was exempted from serving in Viet Nam by a high draft number in May, 1970. Again, Canada is no longer a place to hide.
 
 
+26 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-08-17 09:54
I'm 71 years old. Just have had enough of America trying to build an empire. War after war after war. Things being relative, Canada is a peaceful country. Viet Nam, Kennedy authorizing a weapon of mass destruction-Age nt Orange. Bush and Cheney authorized a weapon of mass destruction in Iraq-nuclear alloy ammunition. Several medical people (highly respected doctors) have stated (depends wich doctor you listen to) there has been a five to seven fold increase in the incidence of cancer since before and after the Iraqi war.
Nuclear ammo penetrates tank armor. Enters operator's environment-bur ns at a very high temperature, creates fires-sets off nuclear radiation, poisonous gases. If the operator is not instantly killed, slowly may die of nuclear radiation. Many soldiers return home with radiation diseases- usually affects reproduction. Bush and Cheney have to be very careful about which countries they wish to vacation in-several countries (including some Eastern states in the U.S.)have outstanding arrest warrents for them. The book, "The Ugly American" while written some time ago, is worth reading.
 
 
+12 # indian weaver 2012-08-17 12:44
Canada does remain a more peaceful country but is mimicking amerika more by the minute - witness the tar sands oil fiascos getting underway in their arctic, displacing the native canadians there and destroying their lives and environment, just one example of Amerika Jr. today. During Viet Nam War Spring of 1969, we had to sew Canadian flags on our backpacks while hitchhiking thru Europe to avoid derision or worse by the French who'd just been defeated in Viet Nam in the earlier 1960s, like we were in 1975. The French during that time despised America due to our Viet Nam policy that they knew by then was b.s. I got a haircut in Nice, France in May, 1969 and the barber shaved my head when he found out I was an American. I wasn't paying attention to what he was doing to my hair, cutting off my long hippie hairdo down to my skull! I learned a lot at that moment - about European perception of us and that we weren't god's gift to planet earth and all people on it after all. In those days, I could hitchhike from Bloomington, IN to India via the middle east / Afghanistan with no problem, hard to believe isn't it. Try that now, and I covered 1/2 of the globe with $200 and endless kindness of strangers the entire way giving me rides and places to stay, or rent a bed in a youth hostel overnight or for weeks on a few dollars. Those were better days.
 
 
+25 # reiverpacific 2012-08-17 08:58
My contempt for the paranoid, pathetic, pokin' into people's lives is unlimited (England is just as bad if not worse).
I hope that they enjoy my less-than-purty moosh on their cameras. It's not goin' to stop me being a raving lefty!
I may have to start wearin' my kilt on windy days, just to give the poor, humorless ol' darlins something to eyeball -might get done for indecent bum-showin or worse.
To quote the Monty Python/Johns Cleese Kn-n-n-iggit on the battlements "Ah fart in their general directions"!
 
 
+7 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-08-17 09:25
This is a message for Abraxas.
Officially, I see no evil, I speak no evil, I hear no evil.
Unofficially, as you already know, it's a different matter.
Didn't your parents teach you that it is not nice to peek?
Stop doing it, or I will send you to bed without your supper! And definitely no dessert for you.
 
 
+23 # Kootenay Coyote 2012-08-17 09:30
If you tie the teakettle lid down tightly enough while it’s on the fire, you get an explosion. Same difference: so far, we can see it coming clearly, & the Establishment can’t act sanely
 
 
+34 # walt 2012-08-17 09:33
We are in a dangerous mode now as government and the big money of the "security" industry have joined hands against the people.

Most shocking of all is the Obama administration supporting the NDAA and even challenging in court when a judge declared it unconstitutiona l. Yes, American citizens can be arrested and detained indefinitely by their own military. Every founding father has rolled over in the grave several times on that one.

John Kennedy said it best with "Those who make nonviolent revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

If we don't demand change, we are headed for massive troubles.
 
 
+24 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-08-17 09:41
The "Citizens United" decision robbed America of a chance for improving our "err" Democracy.
 
 
+24 # Capn Canard 2012-08-17 09:42
I would like to believe that we can all agree that we are currently in a fascist Police State. The 0.01% control our government as well as the Mainstream Media that "informs" us all. The voices of the oppressed are not heard and it is rare to hear the voices of well over 90% of the population. We get fed the opinions of assclowns like Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Annderson Cooper, Bill O'Reilly, Piers Morgan, Drew Pinsky, Greta Van Susteren, Joy Behar, et al. The middle class is an empty husk, a withered patch of sterile ground during a wicked drought. Besides frustration and agner, what could possibly grow given such conditions? The people are restless and the powers that be are at best apathetic, sorry to say this but revolution is coming whether we want it or not. We are very near the tipping point. In the meantime some of us have other fish to fry.
 
 
+18 # Above God 2012-08-17 09:57
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. Pubilius Tactius 56-117 AD. I guess nothing has changed in 2000 years.
 
 
+2 # bmiluski 2012-08-17 10:11
My dear, if things HAD changed we would have had a different species running this planet. Our DNA is what it is.
 
 
0 # Billy Bob 2012-08-17 18:40
Our current Congress hasn't been able to pass ANYTHING lately. Does that mean we're finally above corruption?
 
 
+4 # pernsey 2012-08-18 06:18
It means that the GOP isnt going to let anything pass, because it might make Obama look good, and their goal is make him look bad. They are actually just making themselves look bad in the long run.
 
 
+3 # wantrealdemocracy 2012-08-18 10:30
Don't be fooled. The two major corporately funded political parties are equal in their degree of corruption.
 
 
+1 # Billy Bob 2012-08-18 10:42
You're right. If that's not corruption I don't know what is. That proves that more corruption doesn't lead to more laws being passed.
 
 
0 # reiverpacific 2012-08-18 17:25
Quoting Above God:
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. Pubilius Tactius 56-117 AD. I guess nothing has changed in 2000 years.

Thanks for that quote -and it's inferences.
 
 
+19 # SMoonz 2012-08-17 10:17
"So, just to recap - we live in a country where your every move is monitored and tracked by thousands of cameras, where you can be deemed a terrorist threat without a shred of evidence, where protesting politicians and filming police is a felony, and anyone can be indefinitely detained without trial or representation at the order of the President. This means the entire bill of rights is being blatantly disregarded by the current government, with the exception of amendments 2 and 3."

It is time for everyone to stop and think long and hard about where we stand as a nation. If you still think there is a "lesser of two evils" you are sadly mistaken. Evil is evil any way you look at it. Unless we all wake up and start voting differently, paying attention to issues that truly matter and stop living in fear we will end up in really bad shape as individuals, as communities and as a nation.
 
 
0 # Billy Bob 2012-08-17 18:39
The only problem I have with your comment is that I also know you happen to want Romney to win and Obama to lose.

It sort of helps you to talk lefties out of compromising to vote for the lesser of two evils, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SUPPORT THE GREATER EVIL.
 
 
+21 # Gwydion Frost 2012-08-17 10:28
First solution-- Forget "Voter Fraud". Classify "Election Tampering" as what it really is: TREASON. Make it punishable by death. That should shake some of the corruption off the tree.
 
 
+2 # mdhome 2012-08-18 08:59
Voter fraud is what the republican governors and legislators have been doing this spring and summer. Denying hard working decent Americans the right to vote should be a felony.
 
 
+4 # orwell, by george 2012-08-17 10:41
yet, so many democrats remain loyal to their fascist, murdering, war criminal president, obama.
sad. and a self-indictment .
 
 
+17 # Majikman 2012-08-17 11:28
I don't think it's an issue of loyalty to Obama (I loathe what he's done---or allowed to happen) so much as a total hatred and fear of what would happen if the repugs got in. It may be moot, maybe not.
With every solicitation for funds from the dem's that I get, I send them a scathing letter in return, sans $$$, telling them to earn my support. I'm sure I'm not alone.
My few bucks goes to the Eliz. Warrens and her ilk.
 
 
+15 # Erdajean 2012-08-17 13:08
Sir, you are NOT alone. You are right a hundred times over. I send back those demands, too, with the response that if Obama had acted with INTEGRITY, all the GOP's money could not have defeated him.

Of course should he lose, his freaks are going to holler that if ONLY we, the penniless, had give money equal to what Romney brought in, he would have won.

And, it does no good for the wise to speak up because the STUPID are so much louder.
Plus, the wise will soon be made non-people, and only the idiots will be allowed to speak. Pretty much as is already true, on the broadcast media.

We are in a re-play of Europe, 1939, but there is NO memory, and the country is too dumb to know it. Like Rachael, I am weeping for my children.
 
 
+3 # Majikman 2012-08-17 15:13
Thanks, Erdajean, but I'm a ma'am, not a Sir. "Majikman" is my feisty, very opinionated Arabian with more horse sense than a lot of people I've met.
 
 
0 # noitall 2012-08-19 08:55
I think the sad reality, as usual, although more dire than at any other time that I can remember, the choice is foul but the alternative is sick and lethal in addition to being foul. In other words, this country is going to continue it's downfall from which our fathers or grandfathers fought for in WWII. Wars since have basically been a boondoggle and economic opportunity for the American war machine made worse by the privatization of war by corporate-owned congress. People have to take the country back by any means. But then we're always amazed when we see who supports the Republican ideal; I just heard that Arlo Guthrie is a Republican and supported Ron Paul last go-round. What's that all about?! So, orwell, by george, I'm not so sure how much 'loyalty' there is, it's just a choice of whether you want to step in dog shit or cat shit, because that is all that is offered as stepping places.
 
 
+16 # Majikman 2012-08-17 10:58
Did you ever imagine that when you first read "1984" that it was a blueprint?
 
 
+6 # Mrcead 2012-08-17 11:34
$10 says the feckless men of state plagiarised "1984".
 
 
+15 # noitall 2012-08-17 11:02
When Americans have the guts for revolution, it will come. Right now most Americans are too well off, or to fucking stupid, or in denial, to take the leap that is revolution. Many will have to die to get Americans off their ass. It will take masses of people at demonstrations to start the flow. We can't rely on an objective media, they won't report truthfully what is happening. Turnouts like what showed up for the Rally for Sanity in D.C. 300,000 (although reported as much less). You get turnouts like that and the military will show rather than just tax paid goons.
 
 
0 # Glen 2012-08-17 11:53
Yes, noitall, many thousands of Americans would die in a revolution. It isn't the time for that. Does anyone every want that, truly? Research the War Between the States and the aftermath. Does anyone desire such suffering?

The deaths would be for nothing. Citizens would not win. This isn't a revolution in France. Citizens cannot win in modern U.S.A.
 
 
+9 # indian weaver 2012-08-17 12:34
Yes we can.
 
 
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-08-17 16:29
That's what david koresh and timothy mcveigh thought. How are they doing lately?
 
 
-1 # Tigre1 2012-08-17 18:18
They didn't read, they had a stupid mindset, they underestimated. ..they were stupid sitting ducks. There are a LOT of materials you ought to be reading, and libraries are harder to TRACK than this half-a$$ medium. Ever a Boy Scout? you're full grown now. BE PREPARED.
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2012-08-18 05:10
Anybody who comes to a left-wing web site and tries to incite comments promoting a violent "revolution" is a RIGHT-WING PLANT!

PERIOD!
 
 
+2 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-08-18 20:11
Quoting Billy Bob:
Anybody who comes to a left-wing web site and tries to incite comments promoting a violent "revolution" is a RIGHT-WING PLANT!

PERIOD!

Mr. Billy Bob,
Just where do you come off labeling RSN as a 'left-wing site?'
You disclose a complete misunderstandin g of what an open forum is all about, PERIOD.
 
 
0 # Billy Bob 2012-08-19 05:44
Left-wing isn't an insult.
 
 
+2 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-08-19 14:40
Again, you miss the point.
Insult was not the essence of my question.
Why do you label this site at all?
Is the First Amendment Right-Wing, Left-Wing, or Helicopter-Wing?
What does 'Open Forum' mean to you?
What ideological restrictions would YOU like to put on RSN's WEB site?
Do you want only American citizens to post comments?
Should non-citizens be barred from commenting?
Should foreign nationals be barred from commenting?
If you consider yourself left-wing and want to submit comments to a left-wing WEB site, then you should start your own LEFT-WING WEB site.
You have no right to usurp the authority to label a site that is not your own, PERIOD!
 
 
+1 # bmiluski 2012-08-20 07:49
You have to remember. According to the neo-cons you are only allowed to pubish, air, etc. their side of an issue. If you dare to present the other side for a fair and balanced report, you are a left-winger.
 
 
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-08-17 18:42
A negative? Seriously? Did I offend someone by making a joke at the expense of david koresh and little timmy mcveigh? I'd like to know who was offended by that...
 
 
0 # Glen 2012-08-17 16:30
How are you gonna do that, indian weaver?
 
 
-3 # indian weaver 2012-08-18 12:38
Just like Paul Revere (and the raiders - ha ha), George Washington, Ben Franklin, the folks who gave you and me our country did it. Those folks and thousands like them and me, not like you.
 
 
+1 # Glen 2012-08-18 14:36
Boy are you naive. We are long past those days, fella. Let's see you revive the myths of the past and organize 300 million people.
 
 
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-08-18 15:39
So your plan is to ride by horseback and use muskets to keep out the King of England? What if you run into a MODERN army that has the support of a democratically elected government?

No. I don't think you can do what you're wanting to do just like the Founding Fathers. In fact, you don't even have the same goals as they did. They wanted a chance to vote for their government. You're trying to undo the vote that's already taken place.
 
 
+13 # indian weaver 2012-08-17 12:01
Well put Mrcead. Most folks are committed to remaining ignorant of what Amerika has become and is becoming. Avoidance of truth, by choice, is the norm for now. Anyone can learn for themselves what is going on and choose not to learn. In 99% of Americans' cases, it is the personal human condition that rallies one to fight back. Once folks become homeless, starving, shot and imprisoned for no reason other than demonstrating, friends / family imprisoned for no legal reason other than fascist terrorism of state, kin folks blown to pieces in stupid pointless wars made up to make the rich richer with killing, torture and worldwide assassinations - making money off war machine weapons / parts / services thru Pentagon corruption = fascism, stuff like that. When you are cornered with nowhere to go, that's when the shit hits your fan and then you will have to decide whether to fight back or lie down and die. Once ultra hardship hits you, it's decision time for the cushy lazy of amerika. It'll come soon, not soon enough. Revolt is due now.
 
 
+13 # Mrcead 2012-08-17 11:30
Ah, I misunderstood. I thought beating back the Nazis was a victory for freedom itself. Apparently freedom is rented and the landlord is merely adjusting his rental rates after fitting the property with shiny new cameras and placing frowny guardsmen all about.
 
 
+5 # Glen 2012-08-17 12:35
Did anyone notice that the author of this piece is 24? That is an age that traditionally calls for revolution, rebellion, fighting a battle that cannot be won, joining the army, quoting members of society that earned their status through suffering and knowledge or experience in the subject, without having experienced anything close to that themselves. He was born toward the end of the Reagan era. He has experienced, as an adult, or close, three presidents. Where is his basis for comparison?

Sure this author has experience in all that he is credited for, but has he witnessed hollow point bullets hitting a comrade in the streets of Omaha Neb.? How would he feel when his town is firebombed?

All the above sounds extreme until one examines the realities of the domestic militarization of the U.S. To blythely even use a photo of the word revolution is irresponsible and ignorant of what a true revolution is.
 
 
+9 # Erdajean 2012-08-17 13:28
So, Glen, exactly what do you propose that we do? I want to know what you think.I would love to know what those who watched Hitler and offered no opposition thought about, later, as their neighbors were hauled to the death camps and their left-behind belongings plundered.
Sheep kind of do like that -- i.e.nothing -- when the wolves are among them. Life at best is short, and eternity is a really long time to reflect, I fear.
 
 
+9 # Glen 2012-08-17 14:17
I understand all of that. Believe me. What I wrote is the truth. Modern Americans have no idea what violence could be visited upon them should there be a genuine revolution.

Folks quote past leaders and the situation as in Europe and elsewhere, without truly understanding the genuine sacrifice made. A revolution means death, destruction, loss of homes, towns, a way of life. Just ask the people in New Orleans what it means to lose a way of life - and without a revolution, just a hurricane.

It is far too easy to rebel, as an adolescent. It is harder to make a plan to resist and not see your family killed.

This is not a military poster with Uncle Sam declaring "We Want You". It would be a very real situation with blood in the streets. People will die, damnit. Everything you know will be gone.

If you do not understand that, then you are blowing bubbles into a rainbow.
 
 
0 # Tigre1 2012-08-17 18:20
Be Prepared.
 
 
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-08-17 18:30
It's good to see us on the same side of an argument again.
 
 
+2 # Glen 2012-08-18 05:27
If you are aiming that remark at me, Billy, you are correct. Realists must stick together with a better plan than automatically following the emotional call to revolution.

Americans generally have no concept of violent death of the type a military can inflict. Why the hell do they think U.S. service people are killing THEMSELVES.
 
 
+3 # reiverpacific 2012-08-18 17:46
Quoting Glen:
I understand all of that. Believe me. What I wrote is the truth. Modern Americans have no idea what violence could be visited upon them should there be a genuine revolution.

---A revolution means death, destruction, loss of homes, towns, a way of life. Just ask the people in New Orleans what it means to lose a way of life - and without a revolution, just a hurricane.-----
----This is not a military poster with Uncle Sam declaring "We Want You". It would be a very real situation with blood in the streets. People will die, damnit. Everything you know will be gone.

If you do not understand that, then you are blowing bubbles into a rainbow.

Right on! And this gives lie to the NRA and pro-gun wankers who advocate for ever-more lethal weapons in the hands of ignoramuses hating any kind of governance (but who meekly pay their taxes!).
See what these li'l pop-guns, no matter how many and seemingly powerful, stashed in yer basements or bunkers, can really accomplish against a state so armed to the teeth that the rest of the world combined can't match it!
Know where it starts? In the classroom, the community meeting places, pubs, community, humor, love of life, celebration and self-expression ; everywhere.
I'm NOT a "dream-on woo-woo" BTW, rather a hard-handed pragmatist who has had his share of bruises, expecting more. Live life to the full and gulp it down -let 'em see you doing it!
Make 'em envy us!
 
 
+1 # Glen 2012-08-19 05:13
Reiver, I have found it difficult to leave this thread for two or three reasons, the first being how alarming it is to read folks claiming the ease with which a revolution could be carried out, as if the authors are filming a movie. They obviously have no concept of death and suffering. Bet they have never been punched in the face, much less shot.

Rainbowsally, sounds like a military recruiter.

Yes, the NRA and other organizations, individuals encourage paranoia and a false sense of the second amendment. They are excellent keeping citizens off balance and misinformed. The fact that they are so successful in keeping citizens misinformed is of great concern.

Citizens will take a dozen different actions should anything serious occur in the U.S. You can't trust 'em. Been with a group when only a minor emergency occurs? They can't stop yapping, no action, and then random anger. All I do is get away from the group. A revolution called up by a couple hundred thousand people would create so much chaos among citizens they would be more danger than those defending the union.

Yes, itt starts in the classroom and elsewhere. Kids quote shallow comments made by adults, and come to believe it over the years, without question. The truly heinous aspects of what state and federal governments are doing goes unnoticed by most citizens.

Thank you for advising enjoyment. I advise being smart and clever, as well.
 
 
0 # shraeve 2012-08-20 19:10
What starts in the classroom? Learning that revolution is impossible? Any dictatorship would love that.

What makes you think the people teaching in our schools are any wiser than anyone else?
 
 
0 # Glen 2012-08-21 04:01
American mythology, a design to steer kids into blind adherence to the U.S. and U.S. policies. The NRA, the military, misguided adults, the government, corporations, encourage division and misguided rebellious attitudes with no where to go with it except to join the military. Sure, that's simplistic, but listen carefully to folks in general and you will hear and see the random rebelliousness.

If enough people want a revolution and they can organize themselves, they'll do it whether or not the rest of us believe that is an effective means of fighting back. A couple of people on this thread offered an alternative, and there are many that would not cause death and destruction. Folks just must be clever and smart, as I said.

You reminded us of the non-violent revolutions in Europe. That is my point. However, never assume there was no violence in Spain. The Eta alone was responsible for killing over 800 people.

I suspect most folks on this thread are recommending violent revolution, although they never said that outright.
 
 
0 # shraeve 2012-08-20 19:00
Not necessarily. There are different kinds of revolution. Have you forgotten the color revolutions of Eastern Europe and the former USSR two decades ago? They were non-violent.

In the 1970s Spain made a transition from a repressive, backward fascist government to full democracy entirely without violence.

Tunisia had a revolution last year that was almost completely non-violent.

Some people called the election of Reagan a revolution (I didn't). And that kept power within the current two major parties.

Violent revolution is the worst way to change a country. In general, the less violent the revolution, the less oppressive is the succeeding government.
 
 
+1 # tref 2012-08-17 21:07
If this were 1776, Glen would be a Tory. Many Tories did not support King George III. They either saw themselves as loyal British subjects or they believed as Glen does that no raggle taggle bunch of farmers could face down and defeat the mighty Redcoated Army.

indian weaver is right. We can rise up and if we do, we can win because like in 1776, we can attack and hide. The Redcoats/US military cannot hide.

How ironic that many here are speaking of the coming Second American Revolution and guess what? That revolution will be brought to you courtesy of the efforts of the NRA and the pro-gun lobby. Imagine how hopeless it would be if the Liberal Establishment had won the gun control war and Abraxas and the CIA had already confiscated all our guns. We would have no defense against tyranny.

So fellow readers, perhaps you'd best re-think your position on gun control. If revolution truly IS coming, along with the violent disruptions to our social order and to the food supply chains, you without defense will not be a happy lot. As carpepax said, the police felt pretty safe beating up the Occupy folks, considerably less confident about viciously attacking the Tea Party protesters.

Funny how bedfellows can change :)
 
 
+4 # Glen 2012-08-18 07:41
Tref, you really don't know my stand on this subject other than declaring a revolution to be a desperate, emotional reaction to heinous government policies and laws.

As I said further along in this thread, you cannot win. This isn't 1776. This is an era of heat detectors, heat seeking missiles, bunker busters, infrared, night vision goggles, helicopters, you name it, the military (and even cops) have got it. You think you are going to hide in an old barn or basement? That only happens in movies.

The military does not HAVE to hide, and you cannot, either. If you think guns will do it for you, boy do you need a reality check.
 
 
+1 # shraeve 2012-08-20 19:18
I am not going to re-think my position on gun control. I am opposed to it.

I find it amusing that the same people who say "Power to the people" want to disarm the people. Don't they remember their lefty hero, Mao Zedong, said that power comes from the barrel of a gun?
 
 
+1 # Glen 2012-08-21 04:06
Shraeve, I was thinking about Mao just yesterday! He is another of those folks who fought the good fight but was corrupt himself and then fell under the power of partners who were much more ferocious and misdirected.

That an example of folks calling for violent revolution without considering the aftermath.

Those who consider guns to be useless against the government and U.S. military are not against guns. They simply know it isn't enough to win their violent revolution.
 
 
+3 # MHAS 2012-08-17 13:08
However serious the crises we face, violence can hardly be the solution. Most of the people involved with Occupy will have nothing to do with it. Only if the military and police lay down their arms, or join us as in Wisconsin, would a more militant response succeed.
JFK may have said "Those who make nonviolent revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" but he wasn't talking about this country in this day and age. No nation has ever had the weapons and tools the police and military have at their disposal. We have to use other more skillful and positive means, as means and ends are connected...art , music, dance, humor, poetry, street theater... creative protest and awareness raising. I takes bravery to remain peaceful in the face of riot police and we need a lot of courage right now.
 
 
+2 # Glen 2012-08-17 14:05
Right, MHAS. Nevertheless, the U.S. government will pay no attention to creative protest.
 
 
0 # MHAS 2012-08-18 19:16
Glen, I'm not worried about the US gov't paying attention. I'm concerned with the 99%. The creative forms of protest I suggest are part of what help people understand what's happening and also give expression to that understanding. They infuse a movement with spirit and energy and in turn draw on the energy and spirit.
 
 
0 # Glen 2012-08-20 16:41
Having lived through the sixties I do understand your sentiment. Sorry I missed this post of yours. Getting folks to understand is not that easy. Infusing a movement with spirit and energy will only be appreciated by the movement, and there may not be many in that movement.

This is not the sixties. The U.S. entered an entirely new era toward the end of the Reagan years, and that era has morphed into something pretty terrible. Having said that, I will reiterate that citizens MUST be smart and clever and not participate in a violent, traditional revolution.

While listening to Jimmy Cliff in the car today, I was reminded of your comments. Sad stuff happening, which has always been happening. Music truly has lightened the load.
 
 
+4 # pbbrodie 2012-08-17 18:00
Plenty of people died in the American Revolution. Should they have simply complained and waited? Do you honestly believe that any revolution in history did not begin with people like you saying that it was against impossible odds? That the powers that be are simply too powerful?

Of course a true revolution would entail death and destruction but the alternative is fast becoming completely intolerable. There are people literally starving in the US today and it sure isn't getting any better. What would it take to get someone like you to react, death camps?
 
 
+7 # MHAS 2012-08-17 18:26
Are you seriously suggesting that the corporate coup can be reversed by armed insurrection? The minute violence is used is the minute the 1% have every advantage, including an excuse to use more severe means of repression than has been used so far. There is no comparison with 1776 as regards the strategic wisdom of literally fighting. Only if the police and military lay down their weapons would that make sense. Far more skillful and creative means are needed for this fight....art, music, street theater, poetry, cartoons--creat ive forms of protest--to bring an awakening...the realization that another world is both possible and necessary to avert irremediable catastrophe.
 
 
+5 # Billy Bob 2012-08-18 05:51
"art, music, street theater, poetry, cartoons--creat ive forms of protest--to bring an awakening"

All good examples of doing nothing.

HOW ABOUT A GENERAL STRIKE?
 
 
+2 # Majikman 2012-08-18 14:29
I'm with you, BB. The only thing these bastards understand is money so that's their Achilles heel. Massive boycotting and strikes everywhere raised to an art form. Worked for the French.
I have an extensive airline background. Before St. Ronald fired the air traffic controllers and dismantled the union, the ATC had a very effective means of change: they simply "worked to the rules". Perfectly legal. By following the rules to the letter, it slowed down air traffic nationally to almost a standstill until everyone was screaming for the ATC to go back to biz as usual -- cutting corners. The union got to bargain and everyone was happy. Until you spend time in an ATC tower at a major airport on a Fri or Sun night or in bad weather, you have no idea of the skill of those folks or how truly frightening it can be.
Point being, there are many ways of creative non violence revolution ...when we resort to violence, our cause is lost.
 
 
+11 # Billy Bob 2012-08-17 18:34
Are you trying to incite something? Some of us aren't stupid enough to take your bait.

If you want a "revolution" organize about 100,000,000 people into a GENERAL STRIKE.

If you can't manage that, stop wasting our time with your fishing expedition.

Seriously, when anyone talks about violence I wonder who they're working for. IT CERTAINLY ISN'T THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
 
 
+1 # shraeve 2012-08-20 19:22
Violent revolution is the absolute last resort. It is the kind of thing you do when all else has failed. If the people can't do a general strike, they sure as hell can't do a revolution.
 
 
+2 # Glen 2012-08-18 05:37
pbbrodie, this is NOT the 1700s and a huge number of folks were against the revolution. Certainly, many were merely comfortable, others had already tasted death and destruction and did not want to experience that again. Those in that revolution were limited to one part of the U.S.

As I said, take a look at the Civil War. Then multiply that with planes, bombs, illegal weapons, helicopters, tanks, amazing weapons never before seen in the world. Yaddayadda. It took a long damn time to recover. There would be no recovering from revolution today.

Ya gotta be smarter than that. Reacting is not the same as suicide. There has to be more. Oh, and good luck organizing the U.S. population in your futile attempt to beat off bunker busters.
 
 
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-08-18 10:46
Not to mention getting the American people to stage a coup against a government THEY ELECTED!

Also, we still haven't fully recovered from the last civil war. In reality, another civil war wouldn't even be possible. You have to have an equal number of people fighting on both sides. The Civil War may not be the best analogy. david koresh's lunacy might be more apt.
 
 
+2 # Glen 2012-08-18 05:38
Oh, and don't forget, pb, there are a few million citizens who SUPPORT what the government is doing. They will fight you, also.
 
 
0 # shraeve 2012-08-20 19:25
They will fight for the government now. When things get far worse they will turn against the government. When the police and military turn against the government, that is when a revolution will succeed.
 
 
+1 # Glen 2012-08-21 13:24
That may have been true in the past. Today, no matter who turns against the government, they will lose. There is too much power out there, too many sophisticated weapons that even the cops don't have.

A lot of folks assume cops and military won't turn against citizens, but that is a myth.
 
 
+1 # Observer 47 2012-08-22 20:43
Oh....kinda like when the SS turned against the Nazi party???? Uh....no. The police and the military know which side their bread is buttered on, and since they have all the weapons, why in the world would they turn against the government? Your hypothesis holds no water.
 
 
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-08-18 05:50
I've NEVER heard any of the "revolution" talk when there's a repuglican in the White House. NEVER. It ALWAYS crops up as a result of a Democrat in the White House.

As soon as Mittens in inaugurated all the "revolutionarie s" will be satisfied.

AND, if they aren't, MITTENS WON'T STAND FOR IT. He WILL be arresting people and sending them away, just like our last repug President did when people said the wrong thing.

Terrorist talk is what the right-wing uses to justify death camps. Is that what you're really trying to accomplish?
 
 
0 # shraeve 2012-08-20 19:42
Not entirely - there were small, hardcore groups in the Reagan years. There large demonstrations against US involvement in Central America. Those demonstrations were almost completely ignored by the media.

But you made a good observation. In 1968 the "leftists" trashed the Democratic Party convention, but left the Republicans almost completely alone. Four years later they elected Cold-Warrior Nixon in a huge landslide over moderate-left McGovern.

Twelve years after that they gave ultra-conservat ive Reagan another huge landslide.

Where were all these committed "leftists" who took to the streets in 1968? I can't help but conclude that many of them voted for Reagan in 1984.
 
 
+1 # Glen 2012-08-21 04:12
Quite likely, many of them were Republican supporters to begin with. The government, and Reagan was good at it, plant shit stirrers all the time. The remainder of those in the streets at that convention, those who had been beaten mercilessly, certainly learned a lesson relative to revolution, and some probably never voted again.
 
 
+7 # Shea Brown 2012-08-17 22:03
I think everyone on this comments page could benefit from reading a short 32 page article called "the Obviousness of Anarchy" by law professor John Hasnas. You can Google it. Corruption begins at the local and state levels, and travels up to Washington, where it is far away from the voters and in a world all its own. We need to keep the good parts of our federal govt, and eliminate the bad and unnecessary. As it is now, most lobbyists can see everyone they need to see with a ten minute cab ride. Washington has way too much power. We have lost control. Not to say it cannot be fixed, and fixed well,, but it will take a lot of work, and some very committed and intelligent young folks, who still believe that our country can be better.
 
 
+1 # wilma 2012-08-18 05:53
How right you are
 
 
+1 # rainbowsally 2012-08-18 06:52
Carl, I shouldn't have been surprised that someone that thought election integrity in this nation was worth mentioning (and more than once) was also aware of so many other troubling things going on in our nation, but I was.

Some of you young guys just ROCK! Yer blowin' my mind. From the pic at the top, to the quotes, right on down the line.

Excellent work.

BTW, I was trying to pick a paragraph to copy with a link to this page. "But which one?", I thought. Maybe this one? No, wait... there's also this one... and... good GOSH!

And it was hopeless to try to choose because every single one was a knock out.

Not familiar with your work or whether you keep this up as your normal pace but let's call this one a "hit" for sure!

And thank you.

:-)

For others, see why the "election integrity" issue is indeed a high priority at this time in American history.

http://blackboxvoting.org
 
 
+2 # ssrodes 2012-08-19 08:23
It's very easy to protest and hit the fraudsters where it hurts - pull all your money and investments out of the money-center banks (BAC, JPM, GS, C, WFC, etc.).

To compound the misery for the banksters, take as much money as possible that you pulled from these banks and buy physical silver (and gold) and keep it outside the system.

And for God's sake if you do hold stocks, make sure they are directly registered (http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/holdsec.htm). Your broker will push back (because they don't want your stocks OFF of their balance sheet, but it can ABSOLUTELY be done.

Now get busy and replace words with action!
 
 
0 # shraeve 2012-08-20 19:44
It would have to be organized.
 

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