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Intro: "Here's a treasure trove of background info on the woman who inspired Romney's VP pick to go into public office."

Paul Ryan's budget is filled with endless cuts. (photo: WSJ)
Paul Ryan's budget is filled with endless cuts. (photo: WSJ)



Lunatic Ayn Rand, Paul Ryan's Biggest Influence

By Jan Frel, AlterNet

13 August 12

 

Here's a treasure trove of background info on the woman who inspired Romney's VP pick to go into public office.

he reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand." That's freshly minted GOP vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan talking - statements he would eventually recant - at a party celebrating what would have been the prolific author's 100th birthday,

Rand's books are a big driver in the long-term right-wing campaign to delude millions of people into believing that there's no such thing as society - that everyone must look out only for themselves. Lately, Rand's work has enjoyed a major revival of interest. Besides Ryan, she's inspired yoga-wear company Lululemon to publish her quotations on its products, and she's even made inroads into the North American semi-socialist enclave of Canada.

AlterNet has kept the pace with Rand's resurgence, doing our best to educate people about what a nutcase she was and how harmful her ideas are. These 10 articles, previously published on AlterNet, shed light on why Rand's influence on Ryan is so dangerous.

1. How Ayn Rand Seduced Generations of Young Men and Helped Make the U.S. Into a Selfish, Greedy Nation

"When I was a kid," AlterNet contribuer Bruce Levine writes, "my reading included comic books and Rand's The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. There wasn't much difference between the comic books and Rand's novels in terms of the simplicity of the heroes. What was different was that unlike Superman or Batman, Rand made selfishness heroic, and she made caring about others weakness."

Bruce Levine's explanation of how Rand has captured the minds of so many is a must-read. "While Harriet Beecher Stowe shamed Americans about the United State's dehumanization of African Americans and slavery, Ayn Rand removed Americans' guilt for being selfish and uncaring about anyone except themselves. Not only did Rand make it 'moral' for the wealthy not to pay their fair share of taxes, she 'liberated' millions of other Americans from caring about the suffering of others, even the suffering of their own children."

2. Rand's Philosophy in a Nutshell

The bloggers at ThinkProgress explain that the philosophy Ayn Rand laid out in her novels and essays was, "a frightful concoction of hyper-egotism, power-worship and anarcho-capitalism. She opposed all forms of welfare, unemployment insurance, support for the poor and middle-class, regulation of industry and government provision for roads or other infrastructure. She also insisted that law enforcement, defense and the courts were the only appropriate arenas for government, and that all taxation should be purely voluntary. Her view of economics starkly divided the world into a contest between 'moochers' and 'producers,' with the small group making up the latter generally composed of the spectacularly wealthy, the successful, and the titans of industry."

3. Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them

AlterNet's Joshua Holland has the goods: "Her books provided wide-ranging parables of 'parasites,' 'looters' and 'moochers' using the levers of government to steal the fruits of her heroes' labor. In the real world, however, Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor).

4. Rand Worked on a Movie Script Glorifying the Atomic Bomb

According to author Greg Mitchell, Rand called the nuclear weapon capable of incinerating entire cities "an eloquent example of, argument for and tribute to free enterprise."

5. Billionaires and Corporations Use Rand's Writings To Brainwash College Students

Pam Martens reported that Charles Koch, who pushes "millions of dollars through his foundation into economic programs at public universities and mandating approval of faculty and curriculum in some instances," partnered with the "southern banking giant BB&T ... mandating that Ayn Rand's book Atlas Shrugged is taught and distributed to students."

6. How Rand Became the Libertarians' Favorite Philosopher

Author Gary Weiss explains how the "Rand movement, which was little more than a cult when the Atlas Shrugged author died 30 years ago, has effectively merged with the vastly larger libertarian movement. While many differences are likely to remain ... this means that Objectivism, Rand's quasi-religious philosophy, is going to permeate the political process more than ever before."

7. Ayn Rand in Real Life

Author Hal Crowther writes, "For an eyewitness portrait of Ayn Rand in the flesh, in the prime of her celebrity, you can't improve on the 'Ubermensch' chapter in Tobias Wolff's autobiographical novel Old School. Invited to meet with the faculty and student writers at the narrator's boarding school, Rand arrives with an entourage of chain-smoking idolaters in black and behaves so repellently that her audience of innocents gets a life lesson in what kind of adult to avoid, and to avoid becoming. Rude, dismissive, vain and self-infatuated to the point of obtuseness - she names Atlas Shrugged as the only great American novel - Rand and her hissing chorus in black manage to alienate the entire school, even the rich board member who had admired and invited her. What strikes Wolff's narrator most forcefully is her utter lack of charity or empathy, her transparent disgust with everything she views as disfiguring or disabling..."

8. Red-State 'Parasites,' Blue-State Providers

Ayn Rand loved to throw around the word "parasite." If you aren't a psychopath billionaire, in Rand's eyes you're a parasite. It's a psychology totally in keeping with the myths of blue-state/red-state America, as AlterNet's Sara Robinson explains.

9. Ayn Rand Was a Big Admirer of a Serial Killer

No exaggerating here. Mark Ames writes, "Back in the late 1920s, as Ayn Rand was working out her philosophy, she became enthralled by a real-life American serial killer, William Edward Hickman, whose gruesome, sadistic dismemberment of a 12-year-old girl named Marion Parker in 1927 shocked the nation. Rand filled her early notebooks with worshipful praise of Hickman. According to biographer Jennifer Burns, author of Goddess of the Market, Rand was so smitten with Hickman that she modeled her first literary creation ... on him."

10. We've Already Had a Randian in High Office (Alan Greenspan), and It Was Devastating to the Middle Class

"The most devoted member of [Rand's] inner circle," George Monbiot writes, "was Alan Greenspan, former head of the US Federal Reserve. Among the essays he wrote for Rand were those published in a book he co-edited with her called Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal. Here, starkly explained, you'll find the philosophy he brought into government. There is no need for the regulation of business – even builders or Big Pharma – he argued, as 'the "greed" of the businessman or, more appropriately, his profit-seeking … is the unexcelled protector of the consumer.' As for bankers, their need to win the trust of their clients guarantees that they will act with honour and integrity. Unregulated capitalism, he maintains, is a 'superlatively moral system.'"

 

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+42 # Antler 2012-08-13 07:30
Wrong.

The Republican Corporatists cite Rand and try to associate with Objectivism because they think it makes them look sophisticated to their ignorant base. It makes them seem intellectual to people who do not have any idea what is actually happening on Earth.

There is --nothing-- libertarian about the Reagan, Romney or Ryan. Ryan is a big government control freak, as big as there is in Washington. If he was not, he would not be there. He is an altar boy for the Bankster Priests who ream you, and they need the -authority- of Government to force you into the rectory.

It does not serve the Left to keep on conflating libertarianism with Republicans. You are falling into a trap set by Milton Friedman, who could not use the word that actually describes the policies of him and the Chicago Boys, because -Fascism- is an unfashionable word.

"'Libertarian' is a cool word, it has the word 'liberty' right in it. Let's use that instead. The base won't know the difference and the left will fall for it hook line and sinker, and now we can consolidate power for 30 years and we'll get the Democrats to do half our dirty work for us."

So yeah.. the idea that there are Republicans who know as much about Rand as this author does is dubious at best. Don't kid yourselves. Quit it, please.. These people do not even read the Bills they pass.. so you think they read Rand? Really? Suckers.
 
 
+10 # Jim Young 2012-08-13 09:11
I must admit I can't even begin to read Ayn Rand, but my question is about speculators instead of the capitalists she glorifies. It seems many want to believe her version of capitalists were the ones that at least earned what they made by being producers of something of value, or investing in real producers. The current market seems to have 5 times as many speculator/gamb lers as actual investors or producers according to Bogle's "The Clash of Cultures: Investors vs Speculators." I believe the "real" investment is worth roughly $150 trillion while the "notional" value of derivatives (speculation/ga mbling, to me) is around 5 times higher. We do need some, but 5 times more gambling than productive investment? Just for laughs how about reversing that to 5 times as much real investment than gambling, for starters?

What does Ayn Rand say about speculator to investor ratios?

Seems she never picked up on what Hoover called "anarchical" capitalists either, the ones he never anticipated being so different than his idealized vision of egalitarian capitalists.
 
 
+4 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 11:12
Speculation does not "produce" anything. I am pretty sure Rand would be as disgusted about it as I am.

Speculation in hedges and derivatives is also not "capitalism", since the capital is not being invested in capital goods that are suitable for production.

This is one of the biggest mistakes I see many people making today: equating corporate gambling and greed with "capitalism". They are NOT the same things, at all.

You can be a capitalist. Or you can be a Wall Street investor, broker or banker. There are very damned few who are both.
 
 
+28 # doneasley 2012-08-13 10:13
Quoting Antler:
... These people do not even read the Bills they pass.. so you think they read Rand?...


Thank you, Antler!!! As long as Ryan has been in the picture as the House Budget Committee Chair, people have thought of him as a harmless Libertarian. My responses on this site have tried to wake people up to the insidious danger that this man brings to Right Wing thinking. He is no ordinary congressman. This man is an Ayn Rand disciple, requiring his staff to read her works. And now with his appointment as Rmoney's Veep in waiting, the sociopathic atheist Ayn Rand is now knocking on the door of the White House. Catholic Nuns went on a multi-state bus tour talking the dangers of the Ryan budget, and the Catholic Bishops have condemned it as failing a “basic moral test”.

In addition to Ryan and Greenspan, the GOP God, Ronald Reagan; Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI); Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX); his son Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY); Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas; and former South Carolina governor Mark Sanford were all influenced by Rand. Since Reagan and the air traffic controller's union, the GOP has gradually chipped away at all unions and the Social Safety Net. We've been like the proverbial frog in a pot of water, which will leap out if the water is boiling. But, if immersed in cold water over a flame, he won't know what hit him until it's too late.

If the Rmoney/Ryan ticket prevails in November, WE WILL BE THAT FROG!
 
 
+6 # Antler 2012-08-14 07:53
Yes, these people are dangerous. But no, they are not Libertarians, not even close. Just because someone reads Rand does not mean they are following her, any more than Christians who claim to love Jesus and the poor because they read a Bible.

Nothing they do follows Libertarian principles. They use the force of big government every chance they can to expand a non-defense Military budget, to give away your hard-earned money to oil companies and "defense" contractors, big agriculture to poison you. not to mention pharmaceuticals .

And, unfortunately, and I know our Partisan friends are not going to like this and give me all kinds of ugly "thumbs downs", but the Democrats just put a friendlier face on most of this. They are saying they want to stop fracking, but wait till the election is over. It's always the same.. just wait till the election is over and we will see once again who turns the screws.
 
 
+1 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 11:20
I don't know which people you are referring to, but I can assure you that Libertarians in general do not consider Paul Ryan to be one of them.

But then, as long as I've been reading RSN, I have yet to see a single unbiased, honest description of Libertarian philosophy anyway. I seriously wonder sometimes whether the authors are truly ignorant of what it is all about, or just being deliberately dishonest.

And by the way: Rand was not a Libertarian, and Objectivists are not Libertarians. Some people I know who were in our local Libertarian party who became Objectivists quit the party, which is just as well because if they hadn't, they would probably have been asked to leave.

Further, as much as he professed to be, Greenspan was neither. He might have been a Rand sycophant at one time, but nobody who honestly believed in either Objectivism or Libertarianism could run the Fed. They would try to destroy it instead.
 
 
-27 # DaveM 2012-08-13 07:50
Those who proclaim Rand as a prophet appear, in most cases, never to have read her work. The same applies to her critics. Barbara Branden wrote, in her biography of Rand: "those who deify her and those who damn her are doing her the same disservice". I quite agree.

I do not find Ayn Rand an admirable human being. Her personal life was far from an example of "her" philosophy (which itself was neither original nor unique to her). And she spent much of her life encouraging a personality cult which survives today.

You will not find this in her books, which are simply potboilers which include ideas. Those of us who like a few things to think about while reading tend to enjoy that sort of thing. Rand was an expert at challenging the status quo, which brings out the inner rebel in those who have one and can be a delightful ride.

Yes, you will find industry leaders and the ultra-rich in "Atlas Shrugged". You will also find philosophers, writers, janitors, factory workers, and a truck driver, all of whom are referred to in favorable terms. The central character of "The Fountainhead" is not wealthy, and is largely unable to practice his profession, working in quarries and other commonplace jobs to earn a living while he pursues his dream.

Rand's tone is very shrill when referring to those of whom she disapproves, both in fiction and reality. But there are lessons to be learned from her writings. For all of us.
 
 
+57 # Antler 2012-08-13 08:36
Absolutely DaveM. The definitive hero trait in Rand's writing and philosophy is the person who creates or produces value for society. She recognizes that this trait transcends income, and she recognizes that non-creators and non-producers also transcend income and position.

That is why there is the inherent distrust and villainizing of politicians in her work, because they produce nothing, but control the production of others. That is why some politicians misrepresent her, and that is why some politicians want to associate with her.. so they can pretend they are different than "those other" politicians. But they are fooling less and less people all the time.. and that is a good thing.. Paul Ryan will be one of the last politicians who will be able to hide behind Rand. It's time to end this.
 
 
+66 # CAMUS1111 2012-08-13 09:38
forget the protofascism--s he is one of the worst writers of all time
 
 
-94 # Martintfre 2012-08-13 11:16
Obama despises the hero --

I half expect Obama to Tell Michael Phelps about his 22 Olympic Medals --You didn't do that, truth be told - Phelps did.
 
 
+55 # Jim Young 2012-08-13 13:08
He might say that Phelps didn't build the infrastructure by himself, which is closer to what he said, and clarified when talking about the infrastructure that the business also benefited from.

If you want to insist on the distorted extract, where the only words in the video clip that came out as something he clearly didn't mean, does that mean we can hold Romney to the little video clip where he introduced Paul Ryan as the next President of the United States?

Perhaps we should take a longer look at both, and agree with what they said they actually meant.
 
 
+13 # AMLLLLL 2012-08-14 11:07
Not to mention the fact that Romney gave a speech at those Olympics about how the contestants didn't get there by themselves; they had support. Now he's demonizing infrastructure and support. If he had a library of everything he's ever said, he would be speechless, lest he contradict himself.
 
 
+51 # reiverpacific 2012-08-13 13:15
Quoting Martintfre:
Obama despises the hero --

I half expect Obama to Tell Michael Phelps about his 22 Olympic Medals --You didn't do that, truth be told - Phelps did.

You're really strugglin' for anti-Ob' rhetoric with this one Bubba!
 
 
+19 # Todd Williams 2012-08-13 13:34
What in the hell are you talking about? Are you nutz?
 
 
+17 # CAMUS1111 2012-08-13 15:01
@Martintfre: fool
 
 
+16 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-14 09:55
Martintfre,

CUT IT OUT!

Obama made a small mistake in a speech where he left out the 2 words "by yourself". He has made the same speech over and over and over. Once, just once he skipped a phrase and its like he issued a declaration of some sort.

It's just like the Romney slip of "I like to fire people". We know he meant that he likes being able to fire people that are not doing their job.

Both cases are simple mistakes. If you want to discuss the Obama administration rationally, then do so.

Your first point that Obama despises the hero? What the bleep does that mean? How did you come to that conclusion?
 
 
-9 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 12:22
It doesn't much matter. Most small business owners (and small businesses are STILL the backbone of our economy) DID do it by themselves, and not with the government's "help", but IN SPITE OF the government.

The government hinders more than it helps. I know some people the government put out of business because of a mistake their tax preparer made, and should have been accountable for. But because of the "guilty until proven innocent" attitude of the IRS at the time, they hadn't a chance in hell.

Small businesses pay more than their fair burden of taxes, and get less help than their fair share as well. Obama hasn't changed that; he's made it worse, with his Corporate revolving-door Cabinet and the like.
 
 
+4 # GreenBee 2012-08-15 10:16
Quoting Martintfre:
Obama despises the hero --

I half expect Obama to Tell Michael Phelps about his 22 Olympic Medals --You didn't do that, truth be told - Phelps did.



To state that someone had support and assistance for their heroic work does not equate with "despising" them. Even Phelps had parents who probably drove him to swimming practice on roads paid for by taxes, in pools paid for by taxes etc. So , in fact, a lot of infrastructure was in place to assist him.
 
 
+32 # kelly 2012-08-13 12:02
Another definitive hero trait is that none of her heroes had any children. Those that were deemed unworthy were punished prolifically and with many, many pages of endless monologue to glorify and justify their downfall BUT-- also criticized in her books was the loss of the human spirit, the unwillingness to create, the lack of ability to succeed. The very things she was looking for come from the children within the societies she and her characters of greatness destroyed. Her books are, at best, unfinished serial dime-store novels. What are the consequences from her views of society? Perhaps the downfall of our own.
 
 
+20 # Antler 2012-08-13 12:41
Wow, "Reader" supported news is a control freak organization. My post that had upwards of 22 thumbs up was removed because I exposed the fact that Ryan's base have never read Rand and that the only reason he claims to like her is because it sounds sophisticated to his ignorant base.

I exposed: The fact that these corporatist politician tools do not even read the Bills they pass, let alone Ayn Rand. And that Milton Friedman was a fascist who commandeered the word "libertarian" because it is a cooler looking word than "fascist".

The fact that there is NOTHING libertarian about Reagan, Ryan or Romney, and that they are big guv control freaks who use the FORCE OF GOVERNMENT to push through the wishes of their Bankster employers as they fleece you.

The fact that Friedman's conflation of Republicanism and libertarianism has served to confuse Americans about the corporatist agenda of the two-party system as they have agreed on the VAST majority of legislation while your lying television keeps repeating all the disagreements as being significant, when really, more and more they just keep passing corporatist happy law, one after another.

None of the politicians in Washington have an understanding of Rand. There is nothing small govt. or pro- free-enterprise about either of these two-parties. They know who writes the real checks, and it is not you, you allow them to put you in debt any time they need more money printed. That's your role.
 
 
+23 # doneasley 2012-08-13 15:19
Quoting Antler:
Wow... My post that had upwards of 22 thumbs up was removed...


My post is missing too, Antler. They must have deleted your post and any responses, one of which was mine. Catholic Nuns have been on a multi-state bus tour in opposition to the Ryan budget. The Catholic Bishops condemn Ryan's budget as failing a “basic moral test”. Ryan is under the spell of the sociopathic atheist Ayn Rand to the extent that her works are required reading for his staff. Since the GOP god - Ronald Reagan, another Rand disciple - came on the scene, put down the air traffic controllers union, and said "government IS the problem", everything has trickled downhill. Everything but money and jobs, that is. America is not the same since the Regressives began chipping away at all social programs. By the way, Daddy Bush called it "Voodoo Economics".

We've been put to sleep by this gradualism. But, unbelievably, Rmoney/Ryan are putting forth the same policies - ON STEROIDS. Grover Norquist has already said, "We want the Ryan budget. We don't need an idealogue in the White House. All we need is a person with enough digits to hold a pen to sign the legislation that will be coming from Congress".

Of course, we're like the frog in the pot of water. If the water was boiling, he'd immediately jump out. But if he's immersed in cold water over a fire, he'll gradually be cooked before he knows it.

ARE WE GONNA CONTINUE TO BE FROGS???
 
 
-10 # Antler 2012-08-14 07:57
I do not hold Rand responsible for the actions of fascists. The vitriol against Rand is irrational in my view. These people who claim to follow her do not reflect objectivism or libertarianism. They only throw her name around so they have some kind of an icon and to look sophisticated to their ignorant base, and it helps to maintain the partisan divisions by fueling the ignorant base on the left who have never even read her books.
 
 
+4 # David Heizer 2012-08-14 15:39
Quoting Antler:
Wow, "Reader" supported news is a control freak organization. My post that had upwards of 22 thumbs up was removed because I exposed...

Um, you mean your post of 2012-08-13 07:30? It's still there. It's up to 31.

A little paranoid, perhaps? :-)
 
 
-7 # Antler 2012-08-14 19:12
They must have decided to put it back up.. but since the tired, boring "paranoid" accusation works for you so well, go ahead.. keep it up, you genius.
 
 
+17 # Todd Williams 2012-08-13 13:32
So after reading Rand, I suggest you read Mein Kampf. It's a potboiler that includes ideas and is a great read. Although he spent much of his life developing a personality cult, Hitler was an expert at challenging the status quo. There's a lesson to be learned from his writings. For all of us.
 
 
-1 # Antler 2012-08-14 08:48
Doing the Nazi dance is always something intelligent people do. Just imply there is some kind of comparison to someone you have never read. Especially when she is someone who fled an authoritarian govt. that killed millions of people and came to the US to save her life.
 
 
-1 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 12:26
It's just another example of Godwin's Law. Sooner or later somebody was bound to use the Nazi analogy, no matter how ill-fitting it may be.

FYI, Mr. Williams, Rand hated Fascists as much as she did Socialists.
 
 
+65 # independentmind 2012-08-13 07:52
Power and Greed and lack of empathy, just what we need..
 
 
+48 # Patch 2012-08-13 08:35
It's what we already have, and will get worse.
 
 
+36 # AndreM5 2012-08-13 08:52
But it is what we have in huge oversupply.
 
 
-87 # Antler 2012-08-13 08:52
If you had ever actually read Rand you would know that she does not represent greed and a lack of empathy. Your television told you that is what she was about, so you just assume that is the case. But your television is a liar.. in fact, it is an appliance that is plugged in to an outlet that is connected to the power companies who control TV News. It is an appliance that it applied to -you-.

"Greed is good", is a short, sound byte phrase that has been taken out of context by the very types of people Rand warns you about in her writings about working class people aspiring to do great things but are then thwarted by avaricious politicians who have no valuable skills.
 
 
+105 # conniejo 2012-08-13 09:41
I have read several Ayn Rand books, and she certainly does represent greed and a lack of empathy, if not in so many words, certainly in the values she espouses. There is nothing wrong with celebrating the individual who works hard to achieve something, but as Elizabeth Warren (and the unfortunately selectively quoted Obama) pointed out, no one makes it on his/her own. Rand does not recognize the need for all of us to invest in and support a society in which we have specialized jobs. No one builds his/her own business alone. The raw materials, communications systems, laborers who do the actual work, police who maintain order, etc., make building a business possible. Rand's bottom line was "I got mine and I deserve it. Your well-being is not my problem in any way." If you don't recognize that as greed and a lack of empathy, perhaps you need to rethink your definitions of those terms.
 
 
-47 # Martintfre 2012-08-13 11:21
//Rand does not recognize the need for all of us to invest in and support a society in which we have specialized jobs. //
False

//No one builds his/her own business alone.//

We trade value for value. Each working honestly for their own interest.

Your gang of government bureaucrats also work for their own selfish interest - Problem with them is unlike a private business where you the customer can walk away - with Government they stick the tax collectors gun in your face and make you pay them.
 
 
+27 # ericlipps 2012-08-13 13:36
Quoting Martintfre:
//Rand does not recognize the need for all of us to invest in and support a society in which we have specialized jobs. //
False

//No one builds his/her own business alone.//

We trade value for value. Each working honestly for their own interest.

Your gang of government bureaucrats also work for their own selfish interest - Problem with them is unlike a private business where you the customer can walk away - with Government they stick the tax collectors gun in your face and make you pay them.

On the other hand, "your gang of government bureaucrats" is, at least in principle, answerable to the voting public. Take away government regulation and your gang of coporate overlords are answerable only to their shareholders.
 
 
-15 # Martintfre 2012-08-13 20:12
//On the other hand, "your gang of government bureaucrats" is, at least in principle, answerable to the voting public.//
really - I see my now US Senator Bob Casey (D-Pa) using government force to remove the Green from the ballot in 2006 then fine him for the trouble of screwing the people out of a choice.

But the larger fail here is the fact that government in principle is a GUN - it is force, unlike a private entity where you may choose to engage with them or choose to ignore them.

As to regulation -- do a serious read on the phrase Regulatory capture -- A few months ago RSN published an article by Matt Tibbi (I hope I have this all correct) wailing about how the SEC failed to do its job .. even worse they were helping the big companies .. again research the term regulatory capture -- before you falsely get enamored with the foolish notion that government regulations will protect you.
 
 
+8 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-14 18:33
Martin,

Of course government is a force. We have designed the government for that very purpose. However, the design also puts restrictions on the the amount of force, such as the prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment.
There are ways to corrupt the legitimate power of government to create and enforce laws that would ultimately benefit the nation as a whole. Minimal funding of enforcement and rule making agencies. Outsourcing the writing of laws and regulations to the very target of those laws and rules. And, the ever popular, hiring only persons that are sympathetic at best or leaders from the very industries being regulated at worst.
These are some of the ways that the Conservatives have made the US government into a puppet of the financial, energy, agricultural, chemical and military industries. That is what laissez-faire (sp?) accomplishes, an oligarchy of those in charge of the industries that are in charge of running the government. And it does not bode well for any other businesses, especially startups, regardless of the rhetoric. And it ain't looking too good for those that speak out either.
 
 
-4 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 13:04
"Conservatives" ? Obviously you haven't been keeping an eye on Obama's Cabinet. It's even more of a revolving door than the one under Bush.

Methinks thou dost protest too much.
 
 
+2 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-16 04:44
What does cabinet turnover have to do with Conservatives blocking nominations to management posts and slicing agency budgets? The budget cutting especially occurs at management levels below the Secretary. A lot of the same goes on with blocking nominations, where Bush appointees remain because Obama is not allowed to hire the people that will actually regulate instead of engage in drunken orgies with the very persons they are supposed to regulate.
 
 
+8 # Todd Williams 2012-08-13 13:38
Paranoia again.
 
 
-4 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 13:02
Quote: "I have read several Ayn Rand books, and she certainly does represent greed and a lack of empathy, if not in so many words, certainly in the values she espouses."

No, she doesn't. You may have read her books, but you certainly did not understand them. Which is quite amazing to me, since she was very repetitive about the points she was trying to make.

Just for example: if you don't think she recognizes the need to support and invest in a diverse society, then you must not have read the part about the little city they were all hiding in.

It has a viable society, and people invested in it. The difference was that EVERYBODY invested in it.

Quote: "If you don't recognize that as greed and a lack of empathy, perhaps you need to rethink your definitions of those terms."

Perhaps you need to re-think your analysis of what Rand was trying to tell you. Because it wasn't anything like that, at all.

I'm not trying to defend her. I'm just pointing out where people are mistaken about the philosophy. I am not an Objectivist. But at least I do understand what it is supposed to be.
 
 
+52 # mnemosyne 2012-08-13 08:21
Society need both people who care about and serve the greater good and are nourished for their efforts. It is a reciprocal maintenance cycle. When either service or nourishment fails society cannot grow and improve.
 
 
+83 # The Saint 2012-08-13 08:21
It's a dirty shame that a man named Ryan has lost or never had touch with the great Irish freedom fighter and advocates of social and economic justice. Immigrant Irish-Americans have had bitter experience of corporate abuse and fought mightily against them. The sense of community and solidarity rooted both in the Irish people and the (now seemingly forgotten) Catholic teachings on social justice. He's gone over to the dark side with Ayn Rand and might as well just align himself with the traditional British persecutors of the Irish. He should read Tom Haydn's work on the Irish. He's betrayed a wonderful tradition that the Kennedy clan at least tried to keep faith with. His Ryan ancestors must be rolling over in their graves neath the old sod.
 
 
-55 # Antler 2012-08-13 08:38
Those Irish grave spinners are too busy generating electricity for the City of Chicago to worry about Ryan. :D
 
 
-24 # RobertMStahl 2012-08-13 08:45
It is funny how I THUMBED DOWN this comment and it registered as a +. What is really going on, I ask?

Bluffdale, Utah is coming on line in September. The match has been ignited. Know William Binney, Indira Singh, www.RememberBuilding7.org.

Evolution is substitution. What substitute is there for the Old Guard if hierarchy is all we can assess? Lynn Margulis, et alia. Really, this is not so expensive, or complicated, but, it is somewhat.
 
 
+28 # Doubter 2012-08-13 09:33
It has been pointed out (more than once) that while you are busy thumbing down a comment, there are others who disagree with you, busily thumbing it up.
(or vice versa)
 
 
-33 # RobertMStahl 2012-08-13 10:52
Fair enough. Irish luck, and all that. Good luck to them, but I think, with BO a child assassin, somewhat walking in the footsteps of "I did not have sex with that woman," setting a precedent marked by this moment in history, and with Anything but a true Mormon Mitt having won the political entrails of the madness attributed to Ron Paul being ousted by the press, likely a drug lord, in cahoots might matter, Ayn Rand or not.

http://www.opednews.com/populum/printer_friendly.php?content=a&id=154033
 
 
+3 # mdhome 2012-08-13 11:40
"Mission accomplished" Riiiiiiiiiiiiig ht!
 
 
+21 # JessJuan-d-Ring 2012-08-13 11:34
As the descendant of poor Irish Catholic immigrant Ryans, I concur mightily. I can never understand those who so easily dismiss and forget their own ancestors and the brutality that led them to this country.
 
 
-2 # Antler 2012-08-14 09:01
Spend a little time in Chicago. The Irish Cops there are the most brutal in the Country, Mayor -Daley- Richard -Devine- the States Atty. who ruined his political career defending torture covered up the torture of Blacks for years.

That brutality that immigrants leave behind from other countries manages to serve them well here in this country far too often.

One of the Cops indicted was named Ryan, and one of the St. Atty who was involved as well.

Yes, your freedom fighters could easily power the city of Chicago with the spinning in the graves.

Would be nice if all immigrants learned the lessons that you did.. indeed.
 
 
+95 # Dumbledorf 2012-08-13 08:35
"1. How Ayn Rand Seduced Generations of Young Men and Helped Make the U.S. Into a Selfish, Greedy Nation....."

I don't think Ayn Rand can be held responsible for this horrible mess. I think Ronald ("red ronney") Reagan is more responsible for the greed and selfishness destroying this country than anyone else.

After all, it was his bogus "TRICKLE-DOWN" theory,which stated that if you increased the wealth of the already rich, that increase would "trickle-down" to lower income/minority /poverty groups and uplift the entire country. This, of course, was a bold-faced lie!!! How stupid can people be??? Americans believed these lies and they were supported by famous economists, academicians and elites. The rest is history, as they say. Our illustrious government -- aided by corporate elites and bankers--couldn 't wait to deregulate the banking industry, wall street,and anything else they could think of, and then began outsourcing tens of millions of jobs, stripping America of her dignity and real source of wealth, the PEOPLE.Then after their dirty little game blew-up in their faces (housing bubble collapse)they continued on with more than 16 TRILLION in bailouts! Thank Ronald Reagan and George Bush for this debacle. Ayn Rand is just window dressing-- an excuse used by the greedy to hurt other people economically, socially, morally and spiritually!
 
 
-54 # RobertMStahl 2012-08-13 08:54
Under the current topological transitivity of TV, and, with BO as the child assassin (http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/12409-focus-the-lethal-presidency-of-barack-obama), Mormon Mitt (http://truth-out.org/news/item/10481-mitt-romney-gold-medal-in-dishonesty) the recipient of Ron Paul's condition not to be 'able' to play hard ball (http://www.opednews.com/populum/printer_friendly.php?content=a&id=154033), it seems the pickup truck driver needs a little more (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/08/08/the-dispossessed-majority/). It gets worse.

Where is Indira Singh?
Who is William Binney and what is Bluffdale, Utah?
www.RememberBuilding7.org
Joe Vialls:
1. http://educate-yourself.org/cn/viallssumatra2004tsunami05jan05.shtml
2. http://www.reformation.org/joevialls.html

The match is lit.
 
 
+20 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-13 11:41
child-assassin ---too much Faux Noise and the Rush Limburger headcheese?
 
 
-4 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 13:08
That article appeared in Esquire, and right here in your own liberal Reader Supported News. So what's your problem?
 
 
+8 # Todd Williams 2012-08-13 13:42
Please stop this nonsense, it's driving me crazy!
 
 
-4 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 13:08
I can certainly understand it driving you crazy, but it's not nonsense.
 
 
+51 # bmiluski 2012-08-13 09:23
I think you are right. I never bought into that how great a president he was. He was just a "B" actor playing a role.
 
 
+23 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-13 11:42
Yes, if you are referring to RR -- the boy who though ketchup was enough of a vegetable for school kids...
 
 
+16 # Bob P 2012-08-13 12:33
Fabulous salesman, but didn't know his product!
 
 
+14 # JessJuan-d-Ring 2012-08-13 11:19
Dumble is right... Rand just gives (a)moralistic literary cover to, but is not the reason for, savage capitalism. And of course, neither was Ronny Ray-gun, notwithstanding his (and his budget director, David Stockman's) championing of "trickle down" economics. There has probably always been this undercurrent of unrestrained greed within capitalist economies. While many if not most in the working classes recognized it for what it is, Rand and Reagan helped make it seem morally acceptable.

Actually, I find that while the term is generally avoided today, it is probably the central tenet of the G.O.P.

Furthermore, though they would vehemently deny it, I believe many D's effectively espouse it too. At the local level, "economic development" subsidies to fat-cat developers. At the federal level, the bank bailouts, and possibly too much of the stimulus packages reflect this thinking, as do many subsidies given in the name of "job creation" - none of which come close to the kind of programs that FDR championed (CCC, PWA, NYA, etc.)
 
 
+8 # kelly 2012-08-13 12:14
Who do you think was in office in 1987 when Alan Greenspan was elected Chairman of the Fed.?
 
 
-4 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 12:36
To be fair, Reagan was taken in by his economic adviser Art Laffer, in regard to the "Laffer Curve" which supposedly justified "trickle-down" policy. Reagan would never have come up with it on his own.

However, before you vilify either one too much, keep in mind that the "trickle-down" theory is wholly Keynesian in nature, and Keynes is still the darling of Democrats. (Art Laffer is fully a member of the Keynesian school and has always maintained that he learned of the so-called Laffer Curve from John Maynard Keynes himself.)

If you want to get away from ideas like Trickle Down, you need to get away from Keynes. You can't have it both ways.

Of course it helps that Keyenesian economics has been thoroughly discredited, and has had a track record of very close to zero accurate predictions about the economy. But that DOESN'T help when you realize that the White House and Wall Street are enamored of Keynes anyway... because his errors are their stock in trade.
 
 
0 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-16 05:00
"Art Laffer is fully a member of the Keynesian school and has always maintained that he learned of the so-called Laffer Curve from John Maynard Keynes himself."

The Laffer curve was originally written on a napkin in a bar. Based on the above statement that Laffer based it on Keynes; I am fairly confident that whoever reported back to Reagan what was on the napkin had it upside down.
 
 
0 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-18 17:08
Art Laffer did indeed draw it on a napkin in a restaurant (not a "bar"). But that wasn't the "original". Laffer always maintained, and continues to maintain to this day, that it was shown to him by John Maynard Keynes himself.

Is he lying? How the hell should I know? But that's what he says. And if you look at Laffer's bio (or even Wikipedia for that matter), under "influences" there is listed only one name: John Maynard Keynes.
 
 
0 # globalfamily 2012-08-16 08:31
All part of the same parcel.
 
 
+50 # jwb110 2012-08-13 08:47
She insisted that all taxation should be purely voluntary.
How do you think that the rich would feel if the infrastructure that the middle class has built for them would suddenly disappear because they, the middle class, decided to not not volunteer their tax dollars.
If the majority if the tax dollars paid are from middle class pockets, even using Rand's logic, belong to the middle class for having paid them. You are entitled to "entitlements" when you paid for them in the first place.
 
 
-8 # dick 2012-08-13 09:00
Yes, Rand is a crackpot. Yes, Greenspan was a totally phony "propped up" oracle. But it was Slick "Willie" Clinton that repealed Glass-Steagal. Ayn would have LOVED that. & she would have let Goldman & AIG collapse. Then Obama was handed Summers, Rubin, & Geithner as "his" team, the EXACT SAME GUYS who had produced the collapse. The bricks fell on hapless W, but Clinton-Rubin-S ummers-Geithner -Bernanke, & now Obama, are the Wall St. enablers, puppets, the Randian NON-Regulators( see recent Chase-Dimon follies). PAINFUL.
 
 
+6 # JessJuan-d-Ring 2012-08-13 11:26
I'm not sure why your comment wasn't appreciated, but your points are correct. (Though Rand being a bit of a hypocrite, it's arguable whether she REALLY would have supported letting the banks collapse.)
I suppose that no one wants to read any detraction of Obama given the alternative faced in the election. Personally, I feel he should be held even more accountable given his "Change" promises in 2008. His cabinet appointments were very much an early signal that he wasn't going to pursue and substantive change at all.
 
 
+12 # ericlipps 2012-08-13 13:39
No, it wasn't Clinton who repealed Glass-Steagall. It was the Gingrich Republican Congress. Clinton could have vetoed the repeal, of course--but most likely they'd have overridden his veto with help ferom fellow-travelin g Democrats.
 
 
+11 # Todd Williams 2012-08-13 13:45
Yea, right. Perhaps you forgot it was Bush who bailed out the banks. Short term memory loss.
 
 
-5 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 13:11
No, it was Bush's idea. It was Obama who actually did it.
 
 
+63 # erogers 2012-08-13 09:06
Ayn Rand was typical of the greedy hypocritical pigs who feed off government. She raged against any social program but made sure she got her share from the government. The same can be said for any Tea Party member or other nutcase who rages against social programs. Those hypocrites; including Paul Ryan will be first in line for benefits. He takes a salary, has a staff, and all those perks that come with his position. If he truly cared he would not take tax payer money. I am sure that if a forest fire or some other calamity threatened his home, he would demand priority coverage from guess who; the Federal government. You can bet your last dollar this hypocrite will receive every penny in retirement and health care from the programs he hates. They are all damned greedy hypocrites.
 
 
+51 # Jorge 2012-08-13 10:06
Like Rand, Teapublican sociopath/hypoc rite Paul Ryan took Social Security. From the age of 16 to 18 he received SS survivor benefits after his father died. Now he wants to gut Social Security and Medicare while lowering or eliminating taxes for the uber-rich.
 
 
-21 # Antler 2012-08-13 12:33
The Republican tell their base that they want to gut SS and Medicare for the same reason that the Democrats tell you there is going to be free health care.. because you believe them. When are you going to figure this out?
 
 
+16 # Jorge 2012-08-13 14:00
A- Do you just rant in your responses or can you provide a reasoned response to my post (the joint hypocrisy of your hero Rand and Paul Ryan in taking Social Security but wanting to deny others a safety net)? I saw your insult ("extreme depth of ignorance") to another RSN commenter and wonder why you are still on RSN.
 
 
-7 # Antler 2012-08-14 19:22
The response is what it is.. they lie to their base just like the Democrats lie to you.. and they do it because it gets them votes.. the response does not need an explanation.. but i can expound if you'd like.. but first.. If you took the time to follow this thread you would know that Ryan is not my hero. I understand better than you do about what he is about and how much damage he can do. And since Democrats are unable to organize their way out of a wet paper bag, and keep committing the same STUPID mistakes over and over.. I am also not a Democrat. I have actual thoughts and the ability to reason, so your neither of your corporatists parties work for me..

The reason that That I know what Ayn Rand says in her writings is because I have actually read it. That is the reason I know that Paul Ryan is not an Objectivist or a Libertarian. He has almost -ZERO- Libertarian traits. If Democrats were honest.. or even -intelligent- they would point that fact out. But they are not, so they don't, because the vitriol against Rand serves the two-party agenda.. which to Democrats and Republicans is more important than you and your SS. your Medicare and your health care.

I will place the deeper explanation in the next post.
 
 
-6 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 13:18
There are 2 primary reasons that Democrats target Objectivists and Libertarians in particular: (1) They are both fundamentally against Big Government, and (2) they don't play the game "properly" like the Republicans do.

Many intelligent members of the Democrat party actually know what Objectivists and Libertarians are all about. But you never see them discuss those groups in an honest fashion. Why is that?


It is far easier to demonize them than to actually discredit their philosophies. (Especially when you consider that in many respects, they have the facts on their side.) So you never see them trying to do the latter. They just demonize.
 
 
-8 # Antler 2012-08-14 19:34
YES it is a DEPTH OF IGNORANCE to equate somebody who escaped from Stalin.. with Stalin.. Read a Book.
 
 
-3 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 21:42
I don't know about Rand. But Ryan -- whether I like him or not -- is not being "hypocritical" about that.

The system today is set up such that you pay into Social Security, and then you get your money out of it later. Ryan did not make those rules, and he paid in, so he should get his money out. Yes, he's working to change the system, but so what? I don't see him actually proposing to deny anybody money that they actually have coming.

As for "denying others a safety net", I don't think anybody's really doing that. First, getting rid of Social Security does not necessarily mean denying money to people who have paid in. It simply means there will be a point at which young people will cease to pay in. At that time -- presumably -- there will be some other kind of system in place.

But it's clear that Social Security has become nothing but a big Ponzi scheme, and it MUST be phased out before it crashes. It can't go on this way. It's simply not possible.
 
 
+20 # Jorge 2012-08-13 14:13
A- You may want to read about Ryan before writing. He has a plan to reduce Social Security and Medicare (across-the-boa rd cuts in everything but the military). Was Fox News your source for the statement that "Democrats tell you there is going to be free health care"? Free??? Name the Democrat?
 
 
-9 # Antler 2012-08-14 19:33
Ok, politics 101. When a sociopath politician from one of -your- Parties says something like they want to gut SS and end Medicare, they are lying. The reason they do that is so they can throw you off of all the other crazy $#!^ that's in the Bill they want to pass. Then, the geniuses in -your- party say "We will not gut SS and Medicare.. that is immoral and uncouth and we have to represent our constituents". And they act like they invented morality and then all the comedians on TV do a lot of jokes and you feel all righteous and vindicated.. and it feels great, you are all high on your big victory.

Meanwhile, in the middle of your predictable victory dance every other crazy thing in that Bill got passed and it turns out to be a lot of great things for corporations and the 1% and it screws over poor people and the middle class in 100 other ways.

And -your- heros in the Democratic Party, while acting on TV like they just discovered science or something -know- that is what is going to happen... the whole time, but they don't care because you are dumb enough to keep voting for them and keeping them with their cushy job..

That is the way it works.. I don't know where you were in High School but it's the first thing I learned in my Govt. class. It's called "asking for the whole pie in order to get half".

Quit it!! you do this to yourself.. you only have yourself to blame.
 
 
+21 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-13 11:46
Yes, there is a recent essay by Paul Beglala in Newsweek which details [you know, with actual facts rather than mere opinions] hw Romeny destroyed GST Steel and then managec to charge the taxpayers with $44 million to do it....
 
 
-7 # Antler 2012-08-14 19:50
Precisely. It is NOT a libertarian principle to take wealth from people and give it to others. When these people tell you over and over that they believe in small govt. and then do stuff like that.. and then try to pretend they are Libertarian.. the only people they are fooling is YOU. Why don't you get this? Why you pass up such easy meat? You should be picking that up with your eyes closed.
 
 
+67 # Ritchings 2012-08-13 09:14
Most of these 10 points are too close to sound bytes to be of much value.

I was enamored of Ayn Rand's ideas when I was a teenager in the late 1960s. Her work had a very damaging psychological effect, worsening a tendency to contempt, isolation, and judgmentalism that took a long time for me to dispell.

I sat in a hotel ballroom in Manhattan in 1989 when Nathaniel Branden was promoting his book about his personal relationship with Rand, and when he assured the objectivists gathered that Rand had a very inadequate grasp of human psychology and that her work did psychological and emotional damage to a great many people, many people burst into tears, obviously at having had their deepest suspicions confirmed by someone who knew Rand very well.

The best reading on Rand I've encountered is Ann C. Heller's biography "Ayn Rand, And The World She Made." Recommended for anyone who wants to understand the tortured and troubled psyche that produced the ideas (I refuse to call them a philosophy) that have so infected our society.

Gene Ritchings, novelist

www.winterinasummertown.com
 
 
-14 # RobertMStahl 2012-08-13 11:03
The psychology of Gregory Bateson's is not on the map, but that was his point, wasn't it. And, he said, "The map is not the territory." In addition, he said, "The mind is a map." What could that mean but what the late, (likely murdered), Francisco J. Varela said. Or, Lynn Margulis, "Life goes after the living." The Darwinian aspects of an Old Guard need to be accounted for.

Who can account for anything?

GUT-CP?

James Lovelock and global warming?

Saul Bellow murdered (vis a vis Gus Alex) after publishing More Die of Heartbreak about how the mob was fixin to rise a level...

Cognition is what it is about, that you can be sure of.
 
 
+4 # Todd Williams 2012-08-13 13:48
I was busy reading Karl Marx, Malcom X, and Abbey Hoffman and had no time to spare for freaking Rand. What an asshole!!!!
 
 
-4 # Antler 2012-08-14 09:03
and you reveal that you are criticizing something you have never read, and that you know nothing about the person who wrote it. clever.
 
 
+18 # adolbe 2012-08-13 09:23
Rand was also contemptuous of all religion and supported abortion. I believe her political idol was Gerry Ford (who inreal life was not that bad). She would have fit in perfectly with Stalin's crew had she stayed in Russia and adapted.
 
 
+7 # FLAK88 2012-08-13 10:18
Quoting adolbe:
Rand was also contemptuous of all religion and supported abortion. I believe her political idol was Gerry Ford (who inreal life was not that bad).
She would have fit in perfectly with Stalin's crew had she stayed in Russia and adapted. She's not the one who would have needed to adapt !
 
 
-8 # Antler 2012-08-13 12:32
Wow, purporting that a woman who fled Stalinism for her life would have "fit right in" with Stalin's crew exposes an extreme depth of ignorance.
 
 
-27 # dick 2012-08-13 09:56
So EASY, so VERY EASY, so tempting, so FUN to take potshots at crackpots like Rand & Greenspan, although there are good reason that so many people were enchanted by her emphasis on
self reliance. So HARD, so VERY HARD, so tempting, so FUN, to pretend it was not Democrats who repealed Glass-Steagall, de-regulating Wall Street CRIMINALS. So HARD, so VERY HARD, to admit it is Obama who is engaged in impeachable Obstruction of Justice to PREVENT bankster accountability. BETRAYAL is PAINFUL. & he betrayed US, his family, YOU!
 
 
+17 # Ritchings 2012-08-13 11:43
"So HARD, so VERY HARD, so tempting, so FUN, to pretend it was not Democrats who repealed Glass-Steagall, de-regulating Wall Street CRIMINALS. So HARD, so VERY HARD, to admit it is Obama who is engaged in impeachable Obstruction of Justice to PREVENT bankster accountability."

Very true, and very revealing that this comment got only negative evaluations.

I view the self-emasculate d Democratic Party with their dependence on corporate campaign contributions as another extension of the political domination of wealth and power that wasn't spawned by Reagan but certainly encouraged and promoted by him and every politician of whatever party ever since. In selling their political souls, they have sold our government and turned it into an engine of injustice and a haven for white collar crooks.

Obama, the cypher, is a perfect symbol of a soulless and bankrupt Democratic Party. But until progressive and humane people restore the party to its historic values -- pro-labor, pro-econmic justice, pro-civil liberties, pro-environment -- he is, sadly enough, all we've got. To fail to vote for him is to enable a far darker and crueler future for everyone.

Gene Ritchings, novelist

www.winterinasummertown.dom
 
 
+7 # Todd Williams 2012-08-13 13:54
Whatever. I'm not bummed out about Obama. I think he's smart, trustworthy, liberal and compassionate. He's my kind of presidennt and I support him 100%. For those who don't, I respect your opinion. But don't hand me any crap about my inferior intellect. That's elitist crap and you know it.
 
 
+5 # Todd Williams 2012-08-13 13:50
He didn't betray me, and just who in the hell are you to disparage my intelligence?
 
 
-9 # Antler 2012-08-14 19:35
You do it to yourself Todd. You don't need any help.
 
 
+36 # jackson47 2012-08-13 10:04
I read Atlas Shrugged many many years ago as a teenager. What I remember is a dark gloomy world where the ultra rich sat in their skyscraper apartments watching the poor minions scurry around for food and shelter.
I don't plan on rereading this book to see if my recollection is correct. There are far too many good books on the shelf.
 
 
+23 # reiverpacific 2012-08-13 10:17
I'm pretty well read generally from classical and historical literature, the poetry and philosophies of many cultures and especially socio-political ly but have never read or even perused (I was vaguely aware of "Atlas Shrugged" but it was pretty much dismissed as being in the same category as "Mein Kampf" by every English teacher I ever had in the Scottish education system, in terms of intent) anything by this seemingly nasty piece of maladjusted humanity, who appears to fascinate RSN readers and contributors disproportionat ely -and I've read deeply on all sides of the left-right spectrum. This is after all, where many of us get our early basis for our future political paths, hopefully with some elder guides or mentors.
So was she particularly relevant and did she address herself mostly to a certain demographic in the US almost exclusively?
I'd really like to know why she is so significant here.
I mean, I doubt that even Paul Ryan is THAT deranged and was only trying to court the attention and support of the established looney-right fringe and the power-drunk oligarchy in citing such a black-Mamba-lik e predatory, egotistical, meant-spirited blot on the literary and social landscape.
I'd believe it of Pat Buchanan (¡Viva Franco!) Eugene McCarthy, Oliver North, The Dulles Bro's and their latter day mani-infestatio n the Koch-pest and several other but a VP running mate for a milquetoast, featureless cypher like Twit R'? Hardly, but help me out here.
 
 
+17 # mdhome 2012-08-13 11:49
" (I was vaguely aware of "Atlas Shrugged" but it was pretty much dismissed as being in the same category as "Mein Kampf" by every English teacher I ever had in the Scottish education system, in terms of intent)"
As a person who read "atlas shrugged", I have to agree with that assessment.
 
 
+11 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-13 11:49
'Eugene'??? McCarthy7 ? Do you mean Joe (nasty HUAC everyone is a commie )Mc Carthy?
 
 
+12 # reiverpacific 2012-08-13 13:25
Quoting Cassandra2012:
'Eugene'??? McCarthy7 ? Do you mean Joe (nasty HUAC everyone is a commie )Mc Carthy?

Sorry, you're right of course (still half-asleep when I posted this). Thanks for the correction and my apologies to the excellent Eugene and other McCarthys out there.
 
 
+16 # kelly 2012-08-13 12:21
I'll agree but with one change. Instead of Eugene, make it Joe McCarthy. Eugene was a good man. Joe was a nut...of course, it's doubtful Joe ever read anything but the comics.
 
 
+2 # silenus 2012-08-14 00:31
Quoting reiverpacific:


. . . I'd believe it of Pat Buchanan (¡Viva Franco!) Eugene McCarthy, Oliver North, The Dulles Bro's and their latter day mani-infestation . . .


Just a point of information: You mean Joe McCarthy, not Gene -- who was the nice guy liberal who ran for the 1968 Democratic Party nomination.
 
 
-2 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 14:04
I don't think anybody is claiming that Rand was an angel. She certainly had her foibles. And maybe she was even crazy... it happens. Van Gogh was crazy, Steinbeck and Hemingway certainly had their own emotional troubles, etc. (And I'm not trying to say that her writing was on par with Steinbeck or Hemingway, either... but she WAS an influential writer. To me, her stories were rather tedious to wade through, but then so were Steinbeck and Hemingway. But she was writing parables, not your everyday fiction, so it's hard to compare directly.)

But regardless of what she was like personally, she espoused (but apparently didn't particularly follow herself) a philosophy that many people have found compelling. And no, it is not at all like, or in any way comparable to, "Main Kampf". Whoever told you that was either ignorant or lying. Rand despised Fascists and Socialists alike.

Not that you'll find a good description of her actual philosophy on these pages. For one, it would take too long to explain, and for another, people would be too busy actively distorting it with misinformation for it to get across.

I'm not defending it. I'm not an Objectivist. But if you want truth about it, you won't find it here.
 
 
+16 # Billy Bob 2012-08-13 10:38
AYN RYAN

It has sort of a ring to it, don't you think?
 
 
+33 # Billy Bob 2012-08-13 10:41
Ayn Rand -
Rand Paul -
Paul Ryan...

(sort of a 3-headed beast)

Now, if there's another loony right-wing talking head named "Ryan Ayn" it will be the final sign of the apocalypse.
 
 
0 # globalfamily 2012-08-16 08:30
perhaps it is!
 
 
+37 # Shorey13 2012-08-13 10:52
One addition to the discussion re Rand and her acolytes: during a very severe drought in Calif. in the late 1970's, another of her slavish acolytes, Milton Friedman, wrote a serious letter to the SF Chronicle, insisting that conservation was "community masochism" and suggesting that the only appropriate response to the drought was to send water tanks through the streets, selling water to those who could pay the (elevated) market price. Also, the Reagan/Thatcher Devolution was not really about "trickle-down" -- that was just a smoke=screen. The real agenda was to starve the "beast" (government) so as to justify shredding the social safety-net -- high unemployment and no safety net provide heaven on earth for the privileged class -- easy to hire desperate people to do crappy jobs for crappy wages. Ryan is just a late-comer passenger on this train.
 
 
-19 # Martintfre 2012-08-13 11:13
Now to protect the harry chested nut scratcher (or some such cause of the week) - government is blocking the flow of water from the Colorado into the San Juquin valley drying up those fields.
 
 
+1 # mdhome 2012-08-13 11:51
Yep
 
 
-1 # Antler 2012-08-13 12:25
Wow, "Reader" supported news is a control freak organization. My post that had upwards of 22 thumbs up was removed because I exposed the fact that Ryan's base have never read Rand and that the only reason he claims to like her is because it sounds sophisticated to his ignorant base.

I exposed: The fact that these corporatist politician tools do not even read the Bills they pass, let alone Ayn Rand. And that Milton Friedman was a fascist who commandeered the word "libertarian" because it is a cooler looking word than "fascist".

The fact that there is NOTHING libertarian about Reagan, Ryan or Romney, and that they are big guv control freaks who use the FORCE OF GOVERNMENT to push through the wishes of their Bankster employers as they fleece you.

The fact that Friedman's conflation of Republicanism and libertarianism has served to confuse Americans about the corporatist agenda of the two-party system as they have agreed on the VAST majority of legislation while your lying television keeps repeating all the disagreements as being significant, when really, more and more they just keep passing corporatist happy law, one after another.

None of the politicians in Washington have an understanding of Rand. There is nothing small govt. or pro- free-enterprise about either of these two-parties. They know who writes the real checks, and it is not you, you allow them to put you in debt any time they need more money printed. That's your role.
 
 
+2 # Antler 2012-08-13 12:29
But the only problem with your television induced theory is that they DID NOT starve the beast. They GREW the beast. They gave it more power to force people into accepting a corporatist consolidation of power under a corporate govt.

Reagan GREW the govt. and raised taxes. He GREW the non-defense Military.. also not a Libertarian principle.

Some of you people need to learn what words mean. There are definitions for words. You can't just throw words around like Milton Friedman did and expect and ignorant population to just buy the whole thing.

you can tell me you are a banana, but that does not make you a banana any more than Milton Friedman having a crush on Ayn Rand makes him a Libertarian.

Stop doing this to yourself.. you look silly.
 
 
+23 # NAVYVET 2012-08-13 11:09
I wholeheartedly agree with those who consider Ayn Rand an abysmal writer, lacking style or even decent sentence structure. I've been an avid reader of everything since age 2, and at age 76 still average every week 6 books and magazines like NATION, BBC MUSIC, SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, & FANTASY & SCIENCE FICTION (all of them cover to cover), plus numerous online articles and short stories, not counting my own writing. I love classics like WAR AND PEACE, and enjoy science fiction that encourages thoughtful discussions with friends--such as the stories of Sturgeon, Farmer, Vonnegut, LeGuin, Bear, Wolfe, Card, Baxter, and many others who've made me think. And empathize.

Ayn Rand may write potboilers--but NOT speculative fiction. I couldn't get past page 100 in a single one of her turgid diatribes--and gave up on Heinlein's novels after he converted to libertarianism. There's something intrinsically boring about single-minded ego-worship and I feel sorry for the narcissist pre-adolescents to whom the Ubermensch appeals. They lack personalities with the "elements mix'd" in Shakespeare's words, they take no pleasure in self-contraditi on as do Emerson, Whitman and Dickinson, a quality necessary to form a completely grown-up human being.
 
 
-28 # Martintfre 2012-08-13 11:10
Ayn Rand is a lunatic because she believed that no one had a right to the life of another.

There is no right to enslave
-- and progressives are all about enslaving others for their selfish benefit.
 
 
+13 # reiverpacific 2012-08-13 13:37
Quoting Martintfre:
Ayn Rand is a lunatic because she believed that no one had a right to the life of another.

There is no right to enslave
-- and progressives are all about enslaving others for their selfish benefit.

You seem to be obsessed with your own slavish adherence to the Libertarian ideal of damning others who desire a measure of order and services (including the protection of basic freedoms) by a government of, by and for the people and progressive taxation for the common good rather than for -as it is now-, the further aggrandizement of the already wealthy who mostly inherited it anyway, and consider themselves on a rarified plane beyond the reach of government and the commoners -so what are you complainin' about? You already have much of what you crave.
Come to think of it, you sound just like the author's portrayal of the subject who, from what I've read so far, would be the true enslaver with her retinue of black-suited yes-men.
Love that idea do you, o' fancy-yourself- free one?
 
 
-10 # Martintfre 2012-08-13 20:24
//You seem to be obsessed with your own slavish adherence to the Libertarian ideal of damning others who desire a measure of order and services (including the protection of basic freedoms)//

How can you have 'basic freedoms' when the majority can vote to enslave you for their selfish benefit?


"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship." (Alexander Tyler - 1787)

And now we are $16 trillion in short term debt, $120 trillion in long term debt - accident?
I think not.
Predictable, entirely.
 
 
+8 # reiverpacific 2012-08-14 07:24
Quoting Martintfre:
//You seem to be obsessed with your own slavish adherence to the Libertarian ideal of damning others who desire a measure of order and services (including the protection of basic freedoms)//

How can you have 'basic freedoms' when the majority can vote to enslave you for their selfish benefit?


"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship." (Alexander Tyler - 1787)

And now we are $16 trillion in short term debt, $120 trillion in long term debt - accident?
I think not.
Predictable, entirely.

I'm glad you agree that you certainly are entirely predictable: who writes y'r Libertarian scripts.
I rest my case -'nuff said.
 
 
+13 # wwway 2012-08-13 11:23
Rand was an angry Russian woman who smoked and drank and used uppers and downers regularily. The Cato Institute has teamed up with her followers with the recent hiring of a Randian to lead Cato.
It's amazing to me how many Republicans I know never heard of her. That's because they've been brainwashed with religion...of which Rand was against.
 
 
-29 # Martintfre 2012-08-13 11:24
Why is it mean and greedy to want to keep what you earned your,

But selfless and virtous to have government plunder others wealth for your personal gain?
 
 
-26 # Martintfre 2012-08-13 11:27
16 tones and what did we get?
one day older and
4 Billion more in debt

By the way Before Obama and the democrats - who had total control of house,senate and white house Fed Gove was spending 2.5 trillion / year and now it is 3.5 trillion - income has not increased.

IT'S THE SPENDING STUPID!
 
 
+22 # Ellioth 2012-08-13 11:30
So yes, we can, and should rail against Ryan and Rand. However, where's the positive vision that will lift us all to a new and truly possible future? Railing against is just OK. It is not going to move us and our nation to the real future that we can co-design. Yes, we can create the new reality. We definitely cannot do that simply by thrashing at the awfuls - yes, Ryan, Romney, Rand, McConnell, DeMint, and so many of our political "leaders" are just awful human beings who have clear;y sold their souls to the very greedy.

To inspire the masses of people who are dying for a new future, we have got to create and not simply tell ourselves how awful these people are. Elliot H
 
 
+10 # Antler 2012-08-13 12:40
Right on Ellioth.. Some people create and others destroy.. That is the real class warfare..
 
 
+24 # Jaycie 2012-08-13 11:39
Paul Ryan claims to be a Christian, a Catholid, even! I would like to hear him explain just how his Randian "philosophy" fits in with the idea of Christian Charity. Some Catholic nuns have already denounced the Ryan budget and I hope there will be others of all faiths or no faith at all who do the same.
 
 
+8 # Antler 2012-08-13 12:42
Paul Ryan's eye sockets are full of ghosts.
 
 
+23 # artsci 2012-08-13 12:41
I read Atlas Shrugged when I was a fifteen year old in high school. I thought then that is was a badly written piece of junk and was amazed that any thoughtful person could take it seriously.
 
 
+23 # Majikman 2012-08-13 12:44
At the end of Atlas Shrugged, Rand has all her "producers" holed up in a gated community protected by all sorts of technological gimcrackery. She then proceeds to take over the airwaves to tell the world how it screwed up and everything will be done her way from now on, or they can all go to hell in a handbasket.
Ryan would fit in with that group of REAL looters and moochers.
 
 
-9 # Martintfre 2012-08-13 20:27
Majikman:
What was .. her way?

What was the status quo that was being rejected?
 
 
+10 # WolfTotem 2012-08-13 14:08
A REAL Leader's Words about Hyper-Individualism

You have perhaps seen a severed hand or foot, or a head lying by itself apart from its body. That is the state to which a man is doing his best to reduce himself, when he refuses to accept what befalls him and breaks away from his fellows, or when he acts for selfish aims alone. Then you become an outcast from the unity of Nature; though born part of it, you have cut yourself away with your own hand. Yet here is the beautiful thought: that it still lies in your own power to reunite yourself. No other part of creation has been so favoured by God with permission to come together again, after once being sundered and divided. Behold, then, his goodness, with which he has dignified man; he has put in his power, not only initially to keep him inseparate from the whole, but afterwards, if separated, to return and be reunited and resume his membership as before.

Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, Book Eight, 34
 
 
-6 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 14:30
But you're comparing apples and oranges, because what Rand meant when she mentions "selfishness" is not the same thing that Aurelius meant.

What many people don't realize (or are lying about... I don't know which and don't much care) is that Rand was not against helping others at all. But that help had to be VOLUNTARY. Not coerced.

Taxation, then spending on "entitlement" programs, is government coercion. The individual does not have a reasonable choice in the matter.

The same holds true for helping some businesses over others, or helping certain groups of people over others. If the government is doing it, then it's not VOLUNTARY.

THAT is what Rand was against. She didn't advocate not helping others. What she said was: "YOU don't have a right to take from me, in order to help others that YOU choose. It is my individual right to choose, to help anybody or nobody, as I please."

Now, don't go telling me that if not coerced, people won't help. That's simply not true. Before we had government entitlement programs, we had private charities and organizations, which did a damned fine job.
 
 
+14 # Josippie 2012-08-13 15:10
Over 50 years ago, I read The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged during my college years. I remember being enthralled by them, but my moral core is nothing like Rand's, so I am perplexed about the attraction. I can only guess that the books hooked my need for individualism, for being my own person, for self-expression , and perhaps I admired those characters because they had the courage of their convictions. Yet, I outgrew Rand so very many years ago...
 
 
+14 # unitedwestand 2012-08-13 15:44
I don't disagree with you except for this: " if not in so many words, certainly in the values she espouses."
I read several of Rand's books decades ago, when I was an impressionable young student, and I specifically remember reading in one of of her books, something to the affect that we do not need to feel that "you must donate or help" anyone in need, and that when you see that jar at the grocery store asking you to donate you should ignore it. SO, in my opinion she had NO empathy in her very own words.
 
 
+6 # DurangoKid 2012-08-13 18:43
To the followers of Ayn Rand I offer Richard Wolff, Michael Hudson, Karl Marx, Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges, David Graeber, Michael Parenti, Gore Vidal, Paul Grignon, and as long as we'er in the neighborhood, Dr. Albert Bartlet.
 
 
+10 # dyannne 2012-08-13 21:08
and Dr. Seuss. He makes a LOT more sense than Rand.
 
 
-3 # ied@ied.info 2012-08-14 03:18
In Liberal Conspiracy, Peter Coleman explains the only way to get published throughout the Cold War was through the Congress for Cultural Freedom, an American and European writers’ support group covertly established by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). In short, Ayn Rand is a total creation of the CIA. CIA director William Casey said it bluntly: “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” Within 60 days my book, No Poverty No Wars No Taxes, demonstrating almost everything we believe is pure perception management, will be out. It's forerunner was the first $100 book in ME Sharpe's catalog 12 years ago. This is many times more powerful and you can have it for a $5 bill. Thank you. J.W. Smith
 
 
+2 # kelly 2012-08-14 07:46
Hello, editors! Could someone please get rid of this piece of blatant promotion? First off the paranoia is way too much and second, the obvious attempt of salesmanship of his own disinformation is impossible to miss.
 
 
+14 # granny6 2012-08-14 06:18
It is obvious that Paul Ryan has had no personal growth since he read Rand. He is stuck in his own delusional world and wants us to join him instead of him joining the thinking and caring world out here. Three Cheers for the Nuns on the Bus. They are in hot pursuit of both Romney and Ryan. They even asked Romney to join them so he could meet some poor people. They are not going to let up on them. Sister Simone Campbell and your fellow bus mates, you have my undying support and respect, and I'm not a Catholic.
 
 
+2 # Don Thomann 2012-08-14 08:54
Like mentor like student!
 
 
-5 # Antler 2012-08-14 19:40
He is nothing like her and his policies do not reflect her writing or her policy ideas.

She was pro-choice, she believed in only funding a defense Military, she did not believe Religion should play a role in politics. She did not believe in the government and corporations being in bed together. She was not into military expansionism.

She was barely a good writer. You need to be honest about this. You will do much better when you learn about what you speak and then employ some honesty about this phony Rand worship that Republicans do.
 
 
+3 # JSRaleigh 2012-08-14 20:55
Ayn Rand was a hateful psychopath with a "philosophy" for hateful psychopaths. The teabagger "rank & file" are fools to revere a selfish crank who considered them "moochers" and sub-humans.
 
 
+1 # kelly 2012-08-15 09:48
Unless it's because the last few people who read this article were Randians, I can't see why what you said should have gotten 2 thumbs down. Well, I clicked one of them off and hope someone else will take the time to do so also. But you must realize, JS, most of the people who are revering her either haven't read her, remember only the bits and pieces they picked up when the scanned through when they read the Cliff notes for the book reports in high school or they only know what they are are told by the politicians trying to stir up a base.
 
 
+5 # GreenBee 2012-08-15 10:06
I just heard a clip from 2005 of Ryan talking about Rand and how he made all of his staffers read her stuff as a job requirement. He and the Repubs are using Rand, et.al, to frame this race as one of the collective against the individual (and of course the collective is "the evil government" in their spin), but it is just the opposite. the biggest evil we face is the collective powers of corporations with whom he seems to be in bed with (witness the bank bail-out he voted for with no provision to repay the taxpayers, and the Medicare donut hole fiasco which was a juicy treat for Big Pharma but expensive for the taxpayers.) .

No system can work if there is not a balance of power. They would give all the power away to private enterprise in the name of "individual liberty.". Why they even want the roads to be owned by private sector. just think, where would we go to exercise our constitutional rights to assemble and protest if every piece of land is owned by private multi-nationals corps that will deny any permits to be issued for assemblies of this kind on their property?

The "collective" that is oppressively taking over is big business thanks to "unregulated" capitalism.
 
 
+1 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-15 14:17
"Capitalism" is not the problem. Quit blaming the GOOD part of our economy. The problem is corporate greed, and government being in bed with it. But that has NOTHING to do with capitalism, at all.

Even Adam Smith -- who, though he did not use the exact word "capitalism" nevertheless defined its principles -- recognized that a reasonable body of antitrust regulations would be necessary to keep everybody playing WITHIN the capitalist system. Without that regulation, you end up with monopoly (or oligopoly) and cronyism.

So: there is no such thing as "unregulated capitalism". Capitalism, in order to exist, MUST have at least some working antitrust laws. Those are the meta-rules keeping everybody working within the actual capitalist system, in which there are no monopolies, or oligopolies, or government interference (as opposed to antitrust) in free markets.

It is our DEVIATION from true Capitalist principles (honest voluntary trade, and profit free from government interference EXCEPT antitrust and reasonable taxes) that has led to this problem. You can hardly call our domestic markets "free" anymore... everything in sight is "regulated" in one way or another. I should say "mis-regulated" because Wall Street has certainly been regulated, but not in ways that were healthy for our economy.

There is no way you can convince me that the main problems behind Wall Street are not caused by the Government itself.
 
 
+2 # globalfamily 2012-08-16 08:25
She's not a lunatic, but a sociopath, and if she's the GOP's & Paul Ryan's role model, now their policies all make sense.
 
 
-1 # ied@ied.info 2012-08-16 15:16
I am watching "Animal Farm" which I knew was a CIA Creation as per Liberal Conspiracy by Peter Coleman, as I mentioned two days ago. I was stunned that it was nothing but Ayn Rand's classic which I had read. I have not read Animal Farm. Either Ayn Rand did not make any difference in her two books or the CIA, who created that movie, wanted to create a redo of her fraudulent classic written under their "Congress for Cultural Freedom," the easy way to get published and become famous. Everything she, and a ton of other authors, wrote was pure manufactured nonsense to manage your perception. As this monstrosity of an economy collapses, that will all become apparent. Thank you. J.W. Smith
 

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