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Reich writes: "As Bill Clinton is resurrected by the Democrats, George W. Bush is being erased by the GOP - as if an entire eight years of American history hadn't happened."

Portrait, Robert Reich, (photo: Perian Flaherty)
Portrait, Robert Reich, (photo: Perian Flaherty)


Erasing W

By Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Blog

11 August 12

 

s Bill Clinton is resurrected by the Democrats, George W. Bush is being erased by the GOP - as if an entire eight years of American history hadn't happened.

While Bill Clinton stumps for Obama, Romney has gone out of his way not to mention the name of the president who came after Clinton and before Obama.

Clinton will have a starring role at the Democratic National Convention. George W. Bush won't even be at the Republican one - the first time a national party has not given the stage at its convention to its most recent occupant of the Oval Office who successfully ran for reelection.

The GOP is counting on America's notoriously short-term memory to blot out the last time the nation put a Republican into the Oval Office, on the reasonable assumption that such a memory might cause voters to avoid making the same mistake twice. As whoever-it-was once said, "fool me once ..." (and then mangled the rest).

Republicans want to obliterate any trace of the administration that told America there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and led us into a devastating war; turned a $5 trillion projected budget surplus into a $6 trillion deficit; gave the largest tax cut in a generation to the richest Americans in history; handed out a mountain of corporate welfare to the oil and gas industry, pharmaceutical companies, and military contractors like Halliburton (uniquely benefiting the vice president); whose officials turned a blind eye to Wall Street shenanigans that led to the worst financial calamity since the Great Crash of 1929 and then persuaded Congress to bail out the Street with the largest taxpayer-funded giveaway of all time.

Besides, the resemblances between George W. Bush and Mitt Romney are too close for comfort. Both were born into wealth, sons of prominent politicians who themselves ran for president; both are closely tied to the nation's corporate and financial elites, and eager to do their bidding; both are socially awkward and, as candidates, tightly scripted for fear of saying something they shouldn't; and both presented themselves to the nation devoid of any consistent policies or principles that might give some clue as to what they actually believe.

They are both, in other words, unusually shallow, uncurious, two-dimensional men who ran or are running for the presidency for no clear reason other than to surpass their fathers or achieve the aims and ambitions of their wealthy patrons.

Small wonder the Republican Party wants us to forget our last Republican president and his administration. By contrast, the Democrats have every reason for America to recall and celebrate the Clinton years.



Robert B. Reich, Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley, was Secretary of Labor in the Clinton administration. Time Magazine named him one of the ten most effective cabinet secretaries of the last century. He has written thirteen books, including the best sellers "Aftershock" and "The Work of Nations." His latest is an e-book, "Beyond Outrage." He is also a founding editor of the American Prospect magazine and chairman of Common Cause.

 

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-54 # dbriz 2012-08-11 13:27
Bob, you are a funny guy.

Actually, the "resemblances" between Obama and Bush are "too close for comfort"; i.e. budget crunching expansion of wars in AfPak, Libya (where things are worse rather than better) and Syria (with MI6 and CIA fingerprints all over it).

Then we have extension of Bush tax cuts, bailouts and corporate cronyism combined with a domestic policy consisting of more egregious assault on civil liberties in the conduct of the ephemeral GWOT.

Led by an Attorney general who would be right comfortable with the notorious John Yoo.

C'mon Bob, you are an alleged "insider", you well know that both candidates are Goldman Sachs, CIA-MIC approved.

The charade will continue and liberal/progres sives will play their chosen part
 
 
-34 # James Smith 2012-08-12 03:27
You are correct. Obama, for all he has really changed, could be the chosen successor for "W". The gulag at Guantanamo Bay is still operating, the "patriot" Act has been extended, we are still in two counter-product ive wars, and the robbery, I mean "bail-out" was not stopped. Really, what has changed?

The GOP should save their efforts and forget this election. They could devote their resources to finding a candidate that might defeat Hilary Clinton in 2016.

As you say they are all nothing more than politicians under the control of the money interests and nothing matters except one test, "Will this help me get (re)elected?" If there was a one-term then go home rule for all elected offices, a lot of that problem would go away.
 
 
-32 # RLF 2012-08-12 04:56
Not to mention that the Dems feel like they can wheel out the man(Clinton) that destryed Glass/steagal and continued the probusiness abuse that started with raygun. Clinton was the first repugnecrat, and Obama proudly continues the tradition.
 
 
+32 # brux 2012-08-12 09:38
Apparently people here cannot handle the truth. The truth is the truth, nothing to be gained from disliking it, the only think we can try to do is learn from it.

I am pretty skeptical that Obama will live up to his words any more in a second term than in the first term, but I'd rather see Obama in office than Mitt Romney and especially Paul Ryan.
 
 
-5 # James Smith 2012-08-12 11:07
Excellent points. It's the terrible thing about facts. Even if no one believes them, they are still facts.

I agree, "Change we can believe in?" What change? As I said, little, if anything has changed from Bush. Will it? I doubt it. Rethugnicans or Democraps, they are still wings of the same carrion-eating scavenger,
 
 
-2 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:01
Exactly, for all of those with thumbs down. what kind of idiots are unable to think on this venue? All those giving thumbs down to everyone commenting.
 
 
-5 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:00
I give brux my support in general, but neither obama nor romney are decent humans beings, both cowards, big mouth losers, not to mention obama's daily crimes against humanity. and we all know romney is just another loser / coward / know nothing / jack a..s too. no hope ahead, the article published today about seeing civil war break out in amerika by 2016 sounds right to me, i wish it'd get started today so we can begin to get into it, because it's almost here.
 
 
+11 # robniel 2012-08-13 14:27
The second term will be productive only if Congress is stripped of the Grand Old Obstructionists .
 
 
+6 # Jim Young 2012-08-14 07:45
Quoting robniel:
The second term will be productive only if Congress is stripped of the Grand Old Obstructionists.


That is the most critical mission, to start to turn the long building tidal wave of ALEC legislator, judges, school board members, and dog catchers, that they want to carry out the continued sabotage and starving of the honest agents in what is left of our understaffed and overworked civil structure that actually did things useful for us. They want the competent cops off the beat so they can do their dirty work.

They will not even allow what they supported to be done if their is any possible way for Obama to get credit for even stepping out of the way. They have staked him to the ground and given the bus driver the high tech night vision goggles to find him and run over him.
 
 
+6 # X Dane 2012-08-14 18:04
Jim Young.

It simply can NOT be said any clearer than you just did.

It is so dangerous what the right wing wants to do: Privatize pretty much everything:

Schools, prisons, police, hospitals, fire fighters, medicare, social security, and heaven knows how much more.

It pretty much boils down to: YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN BUDDY. Cant swim? sink! just get the hell out of my way.

It blows my mind that the low income white voters can not see that.
 
 
-2 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 11:57
I agree with all these comments which are receiving thumbs downs. Obama is merely dubya jr., maybe worse as deficit has increased, afghan war has collapsed like dubya's iraq lies and deception, has continued gitmo and other torture black holes worldwide. I can't think of a single good thing obama jo mama has done, and many horrible criminal actions he is continuing as we write: worldwide torture, worldwide incineration of innocent people like you and me for personal wealth, a total coward and liar having done nothing he said he'd do. both are horrible human beings committing Crimes Against Humanity moment by moment. Neither deserves to be alive, unless they are being tortured to death, exactly what both War Criminals deserver, oh - let's throw cheney rumsfeld rice and rove under the water board while we're talking about War Criminals, OK?
 
 
+142 # pernsey 2012-08-11 13:34
No matter how badly the right wingers want to blame it all on Obama...G. W. Bush was president for 8 horrible grueling years. He started the war in Iraq, he said hell of a job Brownie after Katrina, he was a mess, and hes left us with his mess. While he falls into obscurity and Fox news brainwashes the right wing masses telling them things that Bush did and are blaming it on Obama. Bush and Romney are a lot alike, 2 idiots that dont know their armpits from their elbows running for president. With Cheneys stamp of approval on Ryan, to me thats scarry too. I hope no ones ADD is so bad they cant remember the hell we went through with Bush/Cheney for 8 years, I know I remember...righ t wingers take a breath and see that the GOP ruined this country and they want you to vote them in for round two. Crack open a history book...W is in there as the worst president we ever had. Obama is not as horrible as Fox news facts say he is, most of what they say he is, is what Bush was.

Here is another news bulletin...Fox News lies when its convenient for them to lie. Look up their facts in a non biased place of history...pleas e I implore you. Dont just vote in another George W. Bush because you think Obama is bad. Romney will destroy any economy we have, and some how magically it will be Obamas fault...stop the madness.
 
 
+51 # RLF 2012-08-12 05:00
Not to mention NPR which was calling Ryan an 'intellectual'. They should definitely get four Pinocchio noses for that! They could hardly have been less critical of the man...or analytical. NPR needs to get out of Washington...th ey are crown princes of conventional wisdom from there...too involved to see straight!
 
 
+13 # DaveEwoldt 2012-08-12 08:40
RLF, I don't disagree with your overall critique of National Petroleum Radio, but I think it is a mistake to undersell the right wing-nuts of the elite. Their intellectual history, while based on erroneous assumptions that lead to conclusions that are not just incorrect, but anti-life, can be traced back to Plato, through Machiavelli and up to Leo Strauss. If one believes in the Divine Right of Kings, their philosophy is _logically_ sound. You're not going to win by discounting them--that's how we ended up with the shrub.
 
 
+5 # CL38 2012-08-12 18:24
I heard similar comments and coverage regarding Ryan from WBUR in Boston. They've caved in to save their hides and are now presenting 'unbiased' (dishonest) news coverage.
 
 
+3 # robniel 2012-08-13 14:23
Did the "intellectual" actually finish college?
 
 
+10 # brux 2012-08-12 09:41
Yeah, that is true, but Obama has mainly been a placeholder.

This government will not fix what ails the country no matter who is in the White House - that is the job of the peoeple, and apparently from what I read in the news the country is evenly split for some odd reason. I don't see how that can be, except that a lot of people believe Republicans lies.
 
 
+2 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-13 12:41
They are avid wat hers of Faux Noise nad their repeatec lies, and of the pernicious vitriol of Rush (the Slut) Limbaugh,... what else would they beieve with such evisceraterd media choices ... Romney the robot and Ryan the regre4ssive would turn the US into Grover Norquist's puppet wet dream ... of a fertile 'Hunger Games' landscape ripe for exploitation by the uber-wealthy oligarchs... .
 
 
+23 # X Dane 2012-08-12 12:32
pernsey
THANK YOU.... This needs to be said LOUDLY and OFTEN. there are WAY too many, who will only harp on Obama, totally discounting what he was stuck with upon entering the Oval Office. And that makes the weak of heart falter and think:

Maybe Romney would be better...... What a horrible thought...... An awful lot of our country men and women have the memory of an ant. come to think of it that may be offending ants, who are very good at working together for the benefit of their colony.

BUSH DESTROYED THE ECONOMY AND THE COUNTRY.
NEVER forget that
 
 
+1 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:05
I like the ant comparison. Yes, ants are way up the pole on genetic superiority, when compared to humans. And so are all those millions of Native Americans whom we so gladly eradicated, with cultures based on sharing and helpfulness, not the Capitalist greed and arrogance of our evil culture. Ants and Native Americans, I salute you for your superiority over European War Criminals, like our presidents and 95% of congress people.
 
 
+11 # CL38 2012-08-12 18:20
If Romney gets in through citizens united, he & Ryan will finish what Bush started. They will finish what the right worked to implement for 40 years. Things will never be the same, once the right gets permanent control...and that is what they intend.

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, student loans, the middle class & poor, unions, decent jobs: all will be devastated & the militarization of our police and government completed.

Please get out and vote to get Republicans out of the government they say they hate.
 
 
+5 # Observer 47 2012-08-13 07:36
Pernsey, the commenters above who got all the thumbs-down markings are most assuredly NOT right-wingers. They are merely truth-tellers. I'm about as liberal as anyone can be, and I'm msssively disappointed in Obama. He HAS continued many of W's most egregious policies, even escalating in Afghanistan. Even if W started many of the messes, Obama has carried them on, and there's no denying that. He made a back-room deal on healthcare that buried single-payer and handed the private insurance companies 43 million new customers, all at taxpayer expense. It's a safe bet that anyone who criticizes Obama on this forum (i.e., points out uncomfortable truths) will accumulate dozens of negative marks, but that doesn't change those truths.
 
 
+9 # bmiluski 2012-08-13 11:30
Let's not forget Mitch McConnell's number one priority......t o make sure that President Obama serves only one term.
Not the economy, environment, security, etc. just make sure that President Obama fails and country be damned.
 
 
-5 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:08
Exactly. We have many here with massive thumbs down who have the courage to think for themselves. Those giving thumbs down are unable to think for themselves, being cowards and / or idiots. Yes, obama is every bit the horrible human that is dumdum dubya and his sick sidekick dick the pri.k.
 
 
+30 # Rick Levy 2012-08-11 19:15
Obama has mishandled the economy. But it was one based on the crash that happened under Bush's watch. Let's not let America forget that between now and the election.
 
 
+90 # pbbrodie 2012-08-11 21:39
That statement is walking right into the Republican propaganda trap.
How can Obama have mishandled the economy, when the Republicans blocked over 90% of everything and anything he proposed to do to help the economy? Put the blame where it belongs, with the Party of NO!!!
 
 
+58 # pernsey 2012-08-11 22:47
Quoting Rick Levy:
Obama has mishandled the economy. But it was one based on the crash that happened under Bush's watch. Let's not let America forget that between now and the election.


Do you really think Mitt is the answer...if you do, God help us all!
 
 
+7 # in deo veritas 2012-08-12 09:07
If we are that stipid, God will turn his back on us if He hasn't already.
 
 
+11 # James Smith 2012-08-12 11:12
It's believing in what is not true and even provably false that makes the Republicans still a factor in the USA.
 
 
-1 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:10
Well, the Buddha is more compassionate and laughs, knowing humans have a lot to learn, but have no insight or courage to face our greed and arrogance based culture. God, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, they all shake their heads daily at our headlong descent into the maelstrom of self destruction.
 
 
+1 # robniel 2012-08-13 14:31
Superstition and mythology are not the answer.
 
 
+76 # pernsey 2012-08-11 22:54
Quoting Rick Levy:
Obama has mishandled the economy. But it was one based on the crash that happened under Bush's watch. Let's not let America forget that between now and the election.


NO Bush mishandled the economy and Obama got stuck with it. Since Obama has been president the GOP has made every effort to block everything he does no matter what it is. Bush made the mess! Please dont drink the Fox news koolaid, they are magnifying everything Obama does, and blaming him for Bush's blunders. They lie about things that are convenient for them to lie about, and unfortunately no one calls them on it, because sane people dont watch Fox.
 
 
+21 # X Dane 2012-08-12 12:51
pernsey.
That is what frustrates me immensely, Most of the time interviewers let republicans get away with outright lies. I DO NOT understand why they do not call them on it. It actually makes them complicit in the lies. Shame on them,
for it is not only Fox. CNN is also guilty.
 
 
+13 # CL38 2012-08-12 18:34
They're Republican owned media, most of the media now is GOP owned and controlled. Part of the Republican strategy set up 40 years ago to control the message.

Read John Dean's book, "Conservatives without Conscience."
 
 
+70 # pernsey 2012-08-11 22:59
Lets not forget the economy tanked before Obama became president. The housing market tanked, the stock market crashed, and the TARP money handed out, while Bush was president, and Bush would have let the auto industry fail, while he bailed out the big banks. For some reason the right wing wants all this to be Obamas fault NO its Bush's...it all happened while he was still president. Rewriting history only works on the uninformed and the wholly diluded . Bush ruined the economy it all tanked a few months before he left as president.
 
 
+76 # Ralph Averill 2012-08-12 02:33
"Obama has mishandled the economy."
You might want to keep in mind Obama has been dealing with a Republican opposition whose only goal, loudly stated, is to make him fail, even if it is at the expense of the Nation. The president is not a dictator. In fact, only Congress can enact laws and approve expenditures.
Just a reminder.
It's all about Congress in 2012!
 
 
-10 # DaveEwoldt 2012-08-12 11:13
I really think it would serve Democrats/liber als/progressive s (the so-called left in general) well to take a hard look at how the elite kleptocracy works under corporatism. Obama is a foil to make sure no challenge arises to neoliberal economics (the Washington Consensus) and neoconservative militarism/nati onalism. This is the imperialism of the New World Order.

The foundation has already been laid for a "unitary executive" (dictator) in the U.S. The blame game is a distraction. Obama has no desire to make a fundamental policy shift, and the fact that so many of you give him a pass because the Republicans won't "allow" him to do anything is just classic.
 
 
+2 # bmiluski 2012-08-13 11:35
Wow, what excellent double speak. But please, give me an example of what President Obama has no desire to change and your proof.
 
 
-2 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:15
Exactly, with Obama we continue our descent into fascist terrorism and hell. Obama is just another criminal coward, like dubya, the yes boy puppet of the big money killers, assassins and torturers. No different from dubya except, just cuter, and a big mouth with hot air coming out of it.
 
 
+3 # robniel 2012-08-13 14:36
New World Order???? Have some more Kool-Aid.
 
 
0 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:13
Wrong, Obama's executive orders are overpowering any congressional actions. obama signed off on NDAA, and increased the Afghanistan conflict on his own, with no approval of The People or Congress. Obama is every bit the War Criminal as dubya. All power now exists in Obama's slimy lying cowardly left hand thumbs.
 
 
0 # X Dane 2012-08-13 18:09
Indian.
While I have respect for Indian people and disgust for the way they were treated by white settlers. and even our sainted first President, George Washington, who was helped by some Indians tribes,
turned around and order them killed..... Even great men do disgusting things.

However, you are WRONG in saying that Obama increased the Afghan war on HIS OWN. The GENERALS wanted more troops, and so did the republican HAWKS. You may not...but I sure remember how the generals put the thumbscrews on Obama by making public how many more troops they wanted and it was more than the 30.000 Obama agreed to.

As he was deliberating. They, and the Hawks kept pressing him. Personally I wish he had told them all to go to hell. Biden didn't want to send more troops either. But I did see the pressure he was under.
 
 
0 # Carol Sterritt 2012-08-14 13:25
Let's see, Obama under pressure. Well, that is what being a leader is about - facing pressure and dealing with it. And anyway, just which Republican put a gun to Obama's head and made him select Geithner as the Head of Treasury? And then apparently made him re-appoint Bernanke? Or made him choose the shills for Monsanto, Valsick and Mike Taylor as Head of the Dept of Agriculture, and Head of the FDA? In short, just who is it who made Obama do everything he has done that certainly looks far too similar to what Mr Bush used to do?
 
 
0 # ABen 2012-08-14 08:30
Please, your vitriol is unseemly and your bias is showing.
 
 
0 # brenda 2012-08-17 00:23
I just hope that the people of America choose to throw out the Republigoon Congress and Senate, and also replace the Republicrats like Leiberman with true Democrats. We need to send a STRONG message to the Filthy rich that they can't get away from trying to destroy America.
 
 
+15 # X Dane 2012-08-12 12:45
Rick Levy.
You, like MILLIONS of other Americans are disappointed, that Obama were not able to turn around the economy in THREE AND A HALF YEARS
An economy, that Bush systematically DESTROYED for 8 years. First, Obama is not a magician, he is only president, aaaaand, he has had nothing but obstruction from the NOT loyal opposition. Open your eyes, and SEE the reality
 
 
0 # Carol Sterritt 2012-08-14 13:28
[quote name="X Dane"]Rick Levy.
You, like MILLIONS of other Americans are disappointed, that Obama were not able to turn around the economy in THREE AND A HALF YEARS
An economy, that Bush systematically DESTROYED for 8 years. First, Obama is not a magician, he is only president, aaaaand, he has had nothing butb obstruction..."

Oh please, Obama has been nothing but a puppet for the Big Wall Street firms. And for the Big Insurers as well. We needed a leader and we got a snivelling politician. Eighty percent of every Presidency is about who gets appointed. So who did Obama appoint? The same people Bush wold have appointed if he had a third term.
 
 
+1 # pernsey 2012-08-14 17:49
An economy the republicans have done everything they can to block Obama from having any progress or doing anything good.
 
 
0 # Texas Aggie 2012-08-12 15:57
What pbbrodie just said. It was the first thing to come to mind reading your post. Don't blame Obama or the Democrats for what the right wingers have done to block their program. And that includes shutting down Guantanamo.
 
 
+2 # ABen 2012-08-14 08:27
You say that "Obama has mishandled the economy". While his administration has made some economic policy missteps in his first term, I would suggest that turning an economy contracting at an annual rate of 8.5% under W to a growth rate of 1.5-2% is no small accomplishment, especially with the most obstructionist oposition since FDR's second term.. Along the way, he saved the US auto industry (aprox 1.3 million jobs) when the financial gurus on the right said let it go into bankruptcy. A wise person does not make the perfect the enemy of the good.
 
 
+31 # Candide 2012-08-11 20:09
"By contrast, the Democrats have every reason for America to recall and celebrate the Clinton years."

Well, maybe not EVERY reason. Clinton pushed NAFTA which helped create new billionaires in Mexico and the US while creating millions of economic refugees who had to leave their villages and farms in Mexico when subsidized US megacorporation corn hit the Mexican market and subsistence farmers and small business people in Mexico were bankrupted. Now with such trade policies having exported jobs from the US, and millions of Mexicans having come here, Clinton robbed the Democratic Party of the ability to claim to be champion of jobs for US workers and ethnic profiling of Latinos is expanding state by state.

Seriously damaging the social safety net is another Clinton “accomplishment.”
Thanks a bunch, Clinton. We all saw how appreciative the Republicans are of Clinton’s Republican style economics and the adoption of such attitudes by many so-called Democratic Congressional Dems.
 
 
+102 # seakat 2012-08-11 20:21
Whenever the opportunity presents itself, I remind people about Bush every time they try to blame something he did on Obama.

They may try to re-write history, it is our job to prevent them from doing so.
 
 
+32 # pernsey 2012-08-11 23:00
Quoting seakat:
Whenever the opportunity presents itself, I remind people about Bush every time they try to blame something he did on Obama.

They may try to re-write history, it is our job to prevent them from doing so.


I try to bring my right wing friends back to reality every chance I get too.
 
 
+13 # in deo veritas 2012-08-12 09:09
I realized that I have NO right wing friends. They are diseased and I have given up trying to cure them of their delusions.
 
 
+2 # X Dane 2012-08-12 11:03
in deo veritas
I THINK it would be difficult to cure a diseased person.....unle ss you are Jesus, who raised Lazarus from the dead??? I wasn't born here, but......Just a little humor, in deo
 
 
+10 # Texas Aggie 2012-08-12 16:01
It's funny, but whenever I mention reality to my right wing friends, I get a note about talking points from them. The right wing mentality doesn't seem to distinguish between facts and talking points. They seem to think that they're the same thing. I don't know why.
 
 
+2 # X Dane 2012-08-13 18:26
Texas Aggie.

Have you noticed that the republicans NEVER answer a question....the y immediately enter into a tirade about aaaaalll the terrible things Obama is doing. They all have the same "talking points". They are like "wind up" dolls. .
 
 
+1 # Jim Young 2012-08-14 08:02
Quoting seakat:
Whenever the opportunity presents itself, I remind people about Bush every time they try to blame something he did on Obama.

They may try to re-write history, it is our job to prevent them from doing so.


Case in point is Peter Wallison's 60+ page dissent from the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission report http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/07/wallison.html

Though I'd rather take Lakoff's Little Blue Book advice and not respond to their commandeering the terms to be used, I'd encourage anyone to go through the dissent and see if they notice, as I did, that he time shifts events a bit to make it seem as if some things occurred just before, or just after, the Bush administration. To me, the slide started under Clinton (and Libermann types falling for idiotic financial reform and "modernization" ) and got far worse by the mid Bush years. Wallison seems to have tried to entirely cloak those years with a shield of invulnerability .

I won't fall into the trap of blaming only one side or the other, but will scream from the mountain tops that more people on one side have seen that the experiment failed again, even those on the very top of Wall Street that did the most to get Glass-Steagall killed. CitiGroup's Sandy Weill was just the biggest surprise (since he was the major force getting it killed), but is far from alone.

If they don't believe guys like Weill, just who would they believe?
 
 
+41 # Billy Bob 2012-08-11 21:11
Republicans love to support the damage one of their own does, while it's being done, and then wash their hands of it immediately after he/she's out of office.

Fool me for 30 or 40 years, shame on me.
 
 
-10 # Susan W 2012-08-11 21:16
If the only argument the Ds have is to run on the economy perhaps they could wake up and find that there is more to life than money. The ongoing never/ending wars; the rape of the environment; the violation of Constitutional rights; the health insurance bail out plan and so many more disgusting policies benefitting the rich and screwing the average citizen are much more pertinent to the long term survival of the earth and the Republic than jobs.

Until there is a clear difference between the two parties on these important issues the Ds will be merely trying to out do the Rs at their own game and lose their base in the process.Clinton was an R in sheep's clothing the same as O and all of us out here are not so stupid as to believe a D after a name makes any difference at all.
 
 
+8 # colpow 2012-08-12 04:32
Whenever someone refers to the USA as a 'Republic', I need to ask a question. In what capacity our we a 'Republic'? You mean, like the Peoples Republic of China? The Czech Republic? Where does 'Republic' appear in our title? Please inform.
 
 
+11 # James Smith 2012-08-12 11:20
The USA is not, and never has been, a democracy. It has always been, from the first day, a Republic, a representative republic.

China has never been communist, either. The terms "Communist, Socialist, and even Republic have been stolen by totalitarian dictators and governments to attempt to conceal what they are really doing.

When Franklin was leaving the building after the Constitution was approved, he was asked what king of government we now had. His reply was, "A republic, if you can keep it."

Please note that "Democracy" doesn't appear anywhere, either.

Also, isn't China officially the "People's Democratic Republic of China?" For that matter what about North Korea? Neither are democratic, a republic, nor communist. Both are totalitarian governments where the people have ho say in how things are run at all. I wonder if the same is not now true of the USA?
 
 
0 # Billy Bob 2012-08-12 17:21
Republican democracy or democratic republic mean the same thing. If they U.S. is not a democracy it is also not a republic. We are an approximation of both. That's all that is possible and all that is desirable. In a 100% democracy we would vote on everything rather than having representatives "represent us". That's not practical.

We DO have a representative DEMOCRACY by any definition of the phrase whether it fits your narrative or not.

Do we vote? Do we have elections? If so, then WE ARE a democracy. PERIOD.

We are not any more republican than we are democratic. There are many definitions of "republic". We only partially fit any of them.

Being a stickler about details that are extraneous to the debate does do your end of the argument any good. Like too many posters on here, you're bound by your own need for rhetoric.
 
 
+2 # bmiluski 2012-08-13 11:40
Our votes mean NOTHING as long as there is an electoral college. IT can vote any way it wants to. No matter how the majority of the country votes, how many state delegates it picks up, the college can name it's own winner. Don't be surprised if the neo-cons use that next, to get their person into the presidency.
 
 
0 # ABen 2012-08-14 10:05
You may have a misconception of how the electoral college works. First, it is not an entity or institution but a process. While one might argue that electors can vote for whomever they chose rather than which candidate received the most votes, there is no record of than having happened. Please note that the existence of the electoral college is the only reason that states with little population would have virtually no impact on presidential elections were it not for the electoral college. If we elected by popular vote, 9-12 states could pick the president and thumb their nose at the rest of the country. While the process has occasionally gotten it wrong, the most recent example being Bush vs Gore in which Gore won the popular vote by a very slim margin, eliminating the process would render most of the plains states and all the inter-mountain west states utterly irrelevant to electing a president.
 
 
+1 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:21
Yes it is the same: "totalitarian government where The People have no say ...". This is not our government anymore. We need a government someday again that represents The People, one way or another.
 
 
-1 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:19
I read these comments such as Susan W's gladly, happy to see some people can think for themselves. But, not enough unfortunately. Meanwhile millions of The People are arming themselves to the teeth. Now, why would that be? Maybe not in your subdivision, but, maybe they are too and you just don't know it, and they aren't talking, for good reasons.
 
 
+1 # X Dane 2012-08-13 18:45
Indian,

Susan certainly makes a point, but the right wing shoots down anybody who talks about the issues she mentioned. They totally refuse to see that the climate is going haywire. They WILL NOT see that humans have a lot to do with it, so until something better comes along, I will vote democrat, for voting for a third party candidate is synonymous with voting for the right wing.

I very much want to see a strong third party...(I come from a country with several parties).....BU T it takes some years to develop third or fourth parties.
 
 
+2 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-13 12:50
It is Romney, Ryan and the self-serving Repugnicans that WORSHIP money, always ready to put PROFITS ahead of the people, to put profits ahead of the environment, to put corporations ahead of human beings, ("my friend, corporations are people" said Romney the robot) willing also to support Corporate Welfare to the death, but put people at death's door to save their pals in the corporate world of oil, GMOs, agribusiness, and yes, the health care 'INDUSTRY" ....
 
 
-23 # dick 2012-08-11 21:34
Dems are resurrecting Slick Willie despite his having stabbed America in the back by repealing Glass-Steagall. Dems are counting on Dem's notoriously short memory. Bill was flinging the wrong thong while financial stability burned. Then Obama selected the EXACT SAME criminal creeps, Summers & Rubin, to make economic policy for him. Why? We learned that fast talking Barry was Wall St.'s pawn right then. And, as promised, he has feloniously taken their $$ as bribes to Obstruct any Justice for Banksters. Should be impeached, removed, indicted. He BETRAYED his supporters, his family, his country, YOU! DO NOT reward him.
 
 
+43 # colpow 2012-08-12 04:35
OK, relax, cowboy. You are correct. But for one reason only I am voting for O - because he will, in the next 4 years, be putting one or two folks on the SC bench. Now, imagine who Romney would pick. I'm sure someone Ryan would like. No more Citizens United decisions, please.
 
 
+27 # in deo veritas 2012-08-12 09:12
If Clinton was so bad for repealing Glass-Steagall, then GET ON the scumbags in the House who are NOT signed on to HR1489 to restore it! Not just Repugs but Dems too. It is the only chance to save the economy and our national soverignty!
 
 
+1 # in deo veritas 2012-08-12 09:14
Geithner, Summers, et al ARE criminals and traitors and Obama has done nothing to remove them, making him an accomplice.
 
 
-1 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:25
Obama is the War Criminal because he's "in charge". Geithner and Summers are just yes men, accomplices to Crimes Against Humanity and the destruction of The People of amerika, the Earth and humans and animals / plants planet-wide, for the big money, like our entire government now.
 
 
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-08-12 17:24
Whenever I meet Repugs I remind them how refreshing it is to find out that after all these years, they really want MORE GOVERNMENT REGULATION!!!!

I AGREE! WE NEED TO BRING BACK MORE GOVERNMENT REGULATION.
 
 
+1 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:22
Exactly.
 
 
+24 # ReyHinckley 2012-08-11 21:47
The Republican party is controlled by the 1% that makes it money off of investments. Most of these investments are supported by the Pentagon. If the Pentagon was forced to close if for some reason the people learned the many truths about its operations and the lies that have been told for so many years about why there is war, and what has been done over the years to civilians seeking to support the system, the entire financial system would crash and Americans would be forced to either find a way to live in peace on a new system.
Frankly, America is not following the teachings of Jesus as much as they are the dead Emperor Constantine. We are trying to keep the 1% happy at all costs.
 
 
+7 # in deo veritas 2012-08-12 09:17
The Pentagon started lying to Congress and the nation with the fabricated Gulf of Tonkin incident and they have been escalating it ever since. The only way for it/them to redeem themselves will be to block the DC warmongers wanting to get involved with Iran and/or Syria just to placate Israel.
 
 
+36 # Peace Anonymous 2012-08-11 21:49
The greatest thing Bush did was show us all how badly this system needs to change. The fact that the people paid with their tax dollars and the lives of their children to kill thousands of innocent Iraqis and destroy the US economy so the VP could make enormous profits. George W. Bush being involved in this election would be a death knell for Romney and if I were Obama I would start running ads reminding us all of the 8 years the GOP wants us all to forget.
 
 
+12 # in deo veritas 2012-08-12 09:18
These SOB's will not get us to forget Bush. We STILL remember Hoover!
 
 
-22 # dick 2012-08-11 21:50
Whenever the opportunity presents itself, I remind people that it was Democrat Slick Willie-Summers- Rubin-Citi that repealed Glass-Steagall, NOT W. Some may try to re-write history, but it is OUR job to ADMIT & tell the truth. Likewise, it is Obama who is Obstructing Justice to PREVENT prosecution of CRIMINAL banksters. If GOPers did that, we'd DEMAND impeachment, removal, prosecution, & rightly so. Obama met with the criminals & promised to protect them from the mob "with pitchforks": US.
 
 
+22 # Rascalndear 2012-08-11 23:42
The road to hell may be paved with good intentions (Obama) but evil intentions are the superhighway to hell (Romney)... what a choice! But it's still a choice....
 
 
+32 # seeuingoa 2012-08-12 00:34
I never had a good answer to my
question:

What does it say about the American
people that they voted for W the SECOND
time?
 
 
+30 # Gary Kleppe 2012-08-12 07:12
Nothing. Because they didn't. Had the counting been fair and honest, Bush would've lost Ohio, Florida, and probably other states too.
 
 
+1 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-13 12:55
Yes, the one thing Repugs are good at is STEALING elections [with the help of Diebold machines], (and the instigation of Karl Rove's lying techniques); then you have the arrogance of tyopes like Cheney and Scalia whose reaponse to charges of abetting election fraud si always "so?"
 
 
+11 # in deo veritas 2012-08-12 09:20
Nothing good for sure. But again with the voter fraud, especially in Ohio, it was just made easier. Anyone consciously voting and/or supporting this party of thieves and liars is a willing accomplice to their crimes.
 
 
+14 # X Dane 2012-08-12 11:26
seeuingoa.
SOME did vote for him...BUT they did STEAL that election. Maybe especially in Ohio.
Remember the manufacturer of Diebold telling Bush: "We will deliver Ohio to you" AND HE DID
Helped by very few machines in the poor areas. resulting in terribly long lines and waiting in bad weather.....PLU S a dishonest counting.

I still do not understand that Kerry did not protest.

They obviously plan to repeat 2004, for the republican areas will have several early voting days....THE DEMOCRATIC AREAS WILL NOT? Time to sue.
 
 
-1 # Rascalndear 2012-08-12 13:22
Quoting seeuingoa:
I never had a good answer to my
question:

What does it say about the American
people that they voted for W the SECOND
time?


It says that Kerry suddenly started talking about raising taxes and BINGO, people went over to Dubbya in droves.
 
 
+17 # bmolloy124 2012-08-12 01:01
Yes, Clinton made a BIG mistake (Candide)in promoting NAFTA. But, do note that Clinton himself has stated that that is one of his biggest "regrets" in his post-presidency . IOW, Clinton can at least own up to his mistakes w/ a modicum of humility and candor. At the time, Clinton faced a Republican majority in the Senate (if I remember correctly).. Thus, wasn't he trying back then, (Like Obama today) to "negotiate" w/ the opposition? And, as often is the case, it wound up advancing corporate interests over American int's. Not to give too much kudos to Clinton. He was, afterall, playing "politics," like the best and worst of'em. bmolloy...www.d earpundit.com
 
 
+32 # eldoryder 2012-08-12 02:02
PLEASE let us not forget that it took Bill CLinton FIVE YEARS to undo the Reagan/Bush41 deficit he was handed, by passing an economy bill that not ONE Republican voted for. All Republicans cried that this budget would end up causing massive unemployment, create massive inflation, and destroy our international standing.

Instead, we had a few years of the greatest peacetime expansion of our economy in history. Which ultimately ended up as a "budget surplus" (remember the arguments from the Republicans on how we should just 'give it all back') which was handed off to Bush 43 when he assumed office.

President Obama has had 3-1/2 years to try to undo 8 years of Bush's financial malfeasance. He deserves a second term to see if he can obtain the results that Clinton did.
 
 
+18 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2012-08-12 08:29
All the chicken-little predictions of the Republicans never came true, but that doesn't stop them from continuing to scare Americans with a constant flow of dire prophesies. America needs to be reminded of that with a long, long list of the things the Republicans got so very wrong.
 
 
+17 # doneasley 2012-08-12 08:56
Quoting eldoryder:
... President Obama has had 3-1/2 years to try to undo 8 years of Bush's financial malfeasance. He deserves a second term to see if he can obtain the results that Clinton did.


You're so right, eldoryder. We're still suffering from what Bush did to our economy, and the Regressives talk as if they expected his avalanche to be turned around overnite. And all the while Dick Cheney was saying, "Deficits don't matter". What does it take to stop an avalanche? You don't! You get a crew of hardworking people, all with shovels, start clearing pathways in the snow, start digging for survivors and getting them to shelter. But with the lack of cooperation by the GOP, it's as if they went to the top of the mountain and started shoveling more snow down the hill, clogging cleared pathways, and burying more people - to hell with survivors. And that's not all, they put shovels in the hands of the survivors while the guy whose reckless skiing started the avalanche, is now sitting in the coffee shop enjoying the view with his buddies - and wondering "Why is everybody pickin' on me?".

A vote for Romney/Ryan is a vote for a return to Bush/Cheney policies and further thoughtless destruction of the American Way of Life by people who claim to be more RELIGIOUS and more PATRIOTIC than the rest of us.
 
 
+11 # X Dane 2012-08-12 11:35
doneasley.

I can't for the life of me understand that people DO NOT GET THAT. Your metaphor is so spot on. It is so frustrating and very difficult to have republican friends.
 
 
0 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:32
Difficult to have Republican friends is right. When that Republican is your mother, what then? Ha ha. Many of us have had to consider this quandary, for years. This is not an easily resolvable dilemma, as an example to consider. I have no answer.
 
 
+1 # X Dane 2012-08-13 18:57
Indian weaver.
There are so MANY things the republicans are doing right now a LOT of harmful things against women, ....and other living beings... Do you have a sister? Ask your mom if she wants her daughter's rights to be denied and trampled on. Or simply women's rights!
 
 
+3 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-13 13:00
Not paying taxes is NOT patriotic --- just the opposite.
And the repellant Rovian technique of never5 allowing your opponent to speak, by TALKING OVER THEM LOUDLY AND INCESSSANTLY ... needs to be pointed to over and over again. Politeness to Repugnicans seems to be a waste of time ...
 
 
0 # X Dane 2012-08-14 20:44
Cassandra.
I wish more people would understand the IMPORTANCE of what you wrote! If you want a well functioning community You HAVE to pay for it. it doesn't "just happen"

Rugged individualism was all right when our country was young, but when you are a country
with over 300 MILLION PEOPLE, you HAVE to have order and rules, we need to work TOGETHER as a successful family does.

I think our country began to fall apart, when big companies decided that the bottom line IS EVERYTHING. they have ZERO loyalty to the country that gave them a start. And they will do anything and everything to avoid paying taxes.

They shovel in money and leave the taxes to all the "worker bees" and we simply CAN NOT earn enough, to make up for what the rich and the big companies could do.

As you said THAT IS DAMN UNPATRIOTIC.

The right wingers TALK OVER their opponent, because they want to DROWN THEM OUT. THEIR voice should be the only only heard. Too often it works.
 
 
+42 # Ralph Averill 2012-08-12 02:37
Hey DNCC, MoveOn, etc. Bumper sticker/billboa rd idea:
"If you liked George W. Bush, you'll love Mitt Romney."
 
 
+13 # X Dane 2012-08-12 11:36
Ralph.
SUPERB. Start printing them.
 
 
+2 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:33
Please put these bumper stickers up for sale so we can all get a few.
 
 
+19 # dovelane1 2012-08-12 02:50
It's been written that 80% or 90% of politics is based on figuring out who to blame. Maybe it's time to stop blaming the politicians totally, and look at who voted them into office.

If we want politicians to be committed to being accountable for their decisions, perhaps it would help if the electorate were also committed to holding themselves accountable for their decisions.

If we want politicians to be able to think about long-term consequences of their decisions, perhaps we the people also need to start thinking about the long-term consequences of our decisions, including the decisions we make about who we elect.

Right now, the conflict between our political parties seems to be mirroring the internal conflict most people have within themselves about holding themselves accountable for their decisions,as well as the conflict many people have about telling the shole truth, as compared to just the part of the truth that makes us look good, or, at least, doesn't make us look bad.

Many people love the lie that saves their pride, but never the unflattering truth. Until people can handle hearing the "unflattering truths" of life, I'm not sure if we can handle or support politicians who will tell us unflattering truths. For a fully honest politician to be elected, wouldn't the majority of the electorate also have to be committed to being fully honest as well.
 
 
+10 # in deo veritas 2012-08-12 09:24
AMEN! Great post. We only get as good a government as we demand and we scarcely let out a peep while Bush stole two elections and drove us to the abyss-shame on US!
 
 
+1 # bmiluski 2012-08-13 11:45
What a great sticker.......I want one.
 
 
+3 # bmiluski 2012-08-13 11:47
And yet, where were most of you during the "Occupy Wallstreet" months? Those kids just said out loud what a lot of us are too lazy to say. And they were vilified for it by the neo-con media.
 
 
0 # Jim Young 2012-08-14 08:17
Quoting bmiluski:
And yet, where were most of you during the "Occupy Wallstreet" months? Those kids just said out loud what a lot of us are too lazy to say. And they were vilified for it by the neo-con media.


I was there, got my 3 minutes, and learned a lot from the engineers, teachers, and other professionals there.

Didn't get to NY but am impressed by what Cathy O'Neil saw and does now (part of Occupy SEC) with advice on how she and her fellow risk analysts could game a system that had too few enforcers of even the lax rules, and few with the inner workings knowledge she could share to help keep carelessly self-interested , or even deliberately unethical people from getting away with it.

Read the last half of "It's Even Worse Than It Looks" to see some suggestions like a shadow legislature made up of our favorite old legislators and civil service experts that can comment on the tricks used to stop progress (and hopefully tell us how they go the good things done in the old days. I also like the Australian requirement to vote/fine if you don't, that made sure people didn't stay too apathetic to bother to vote. They also show how rule changes aren't what they seem. Dropping cloture from 2/3 (actually 66% of those present to make a quorum) to 60% (but of the entire 100 senators) actually made it almost impossible to stop a determined, and now more powerful, minority.
 
 
+9 # X Dane 2012-08-12 11:53
dovelane.
THAT is the crux of the matter. Very few voters wants to face the facts. As the T bags holding up signs: KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE"? That seems to me the hight of stupidity and an uninformed person.

But too many others will not listen to a candidate, who will tell them that "righting the ship of state" will be difficult, take time and require sacrifice of us all.

An honest statesman like that, sadly doesn't have a chance. It seems, that people WANT to be lied to.
SO AS YOU POINT OUT, THEY SHOULD LOOK IN THE MIRROR. WHEN THEY DISTRIBUTE BLAME.

As you say the naked truth doesn't stand a chance against a beautifully dressed lie.
 
 
+29 # JCM 2012-08-12 03:10
This isn't Obama's economy; it is the Republican obstructionist economy.
 
 
+11 # kitster 2012-08-12 03:23
what about cheney? he's always popping off from time to time. will he be there?

w has said more than once that he doesn't want to be in the public eye any more. for whatever reason, he doesn't want to be at the big pachy party either.

i agree his sins were great, he was the greatest greedster/gangs ter president of my lifetime...but i think he just wants to be left alone.

not that, by his presence, he wouldn't heap more negative bull onto the head of the great bullmitter...
 
 
+11 # in deo veritas 2012-08-12 09:27
If the present administration or the American people had any self-respect or respect for decency both Bush and Cheney would be in the custody of the World Court awaiting sentencing for war crimes. When judgment day arrives,niether he nor Cheney will be able to talk their way out of what awaits them.
 
 
+1 # indian weaver 2012-08-13 12:35
We can only hope. If I were God ...
 
 
+2 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-13 13:02
Why wasn't he (Cheney) and his war-profiteerin g companies --- Halliburton and KBR (and pals like BlackWater and Bechtel) ever PROSECUTED!!!??
 
 
+24 # Barbara K 2012-08-12 03:28
I do wish that the once Supreme Court had not been involved that put Bush in charge. Just think how nice all would be if Bush had never been President. We cannot erase him, we can only wish he hadn't run in the first place. With a Dem President, our country would have been so much better. To blame the numbskull's debacle years on Obama isn't going to work. Obama has already accomplished more than Bush did in his entire 8 years; all while trying to clean up after Bush.

DON'T VOTE REPUBLICAN AT ANY LEVEL

DO VOTE AS IF OUR LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON IT, AS IT DOES DEPEND ON OUR VOTE.
 
 
+9 # X Dane 2012-08-12 12:19
Barbara
I wish the same. And I think Judge Sandra Day O Connor bitterly regrets voting with the 4 republicans on the Court. I have heard, she has said as much.

Unfortunately she retired to be with her husband, who had Alzheimers, sadly it was in vain, because he had to be put in a medical facility shortly after. Imagine if we had not had Alito??
Alas, THAT is water under the bridge, but we DO NEED to realize, that if Romney wins, we are in for more reactionary judges, since Robert Bork will be Romney's adviser in regard to Supreme Court selections!!!!

So as you say: DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN. We need to take "the house" back and keep the senate, in order to move forward.
 
 
+3 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-13 13:04
There seem to be no real Republicans left - no conservatives-- just Rightwing radical extremists determinec to '
win' at any cost---ready to tear our democracy apart so they can eliminate a half-black president Obama.
 
 
0 # X Dane 2012-08-14 21:17
Cassandra.

Yes and they will make millions more poor, and too many homeless. Do they care??? NO
 
 
+3 # ShamanX 2012-08-12 03:46
I have been an independent supporting third-party candidates virtually my whole adult life, (47 now). In 2008 I supported Obama because how could any sane person not... after the previous eight years. I felt the political pendulum needed to swing back the other way after being pulled so far over to the corporatist right and held there for so long.

But after about a year and a half of the current administration I felt like a dupe. The promise of enlightened leadership was not being delivered on.

We were still prosecuting undeclared wars of aggression overseas. We were still persecuting peaceful Americans with the War on Drugs and it was responsible for the deaths of thousands in Mexico. GMO foods were still flooding the food supply with nary a care. As the evidence piled up.. I fell free again of the two-party flypaper that I had assiduously avoided in the past.

I realized that there were no substantive differences between the two parties when it came to honoring our founding principles and defending the rights of individuals. The Democrats want control of people's lives through massively invasive social programs and the Republicans want to use government to help leverage corporate exploitation at home and abroad.
 
 
+4 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-13 13:07
Massively invasive social programs like Medicare? (You prefer private insurance industry companies taht cost 8 times what government Medicare costs to administer????)

There ARE bad Dems, but there is quite a bit of substantive difference between the Dem,s and Repugs.
Read "The Betrayal fo the American Dream,, by Barlett et al .... for just one take on this.
 
 
-15 # cordleycoit 2012-08-12 04:28
Any one who celebrates Bill Clinton ought to pull their head out of recital position. Clinton did Wall Street's dirty work and set the stage for W. Clinton started killing innocents in the Afghan mountains and of course there was their famous 'Death List.' The Clintons were brilliant, anti social, self centered people. History may be made up of lies but spare us "telling us things we all ready know"-Warren Zevon.
 
 
-8 # fredboy 2012-08-12 05:54
Clinton set the economy up for a fall by repealing Glass-Steagall, crushing those who tried to regulate derivatives, supporting NAFTA, and keeping Greenspan at the Fed--thus allowing him to upend the economy just before the 2000 election to smash Al Gore's chance of winning. The only way to stop the Democrats was to stop the roaring economy, so Greenspan and the heavily-GOP Fed did.

In doing all of this, the Democrats handed W defenders the perfect argument: "We didn't harm the economy, we just played the cards we were dealt by the previous Democratic administration. THEY made everything that happened possible, and inevitable."

Sorry, fellow Democrats, but there is no counterargument to this. Clinton reportedly screwed everything with legs, and that includes us.
 
 
+8 # in deo veritas 2012-08-12 09:32
Whatever happened was possible but not inevitable. The Repugs CHOSE to take advantage of the situation and do their best to ruin us. Their CHOICE brought all this about and they STILL choose to block everything Obama has tried to do to repair the damage. We ALL have free will and when we make bad choices must be held accountable!
 
 
+10 # CL38 2012-08-12 10:27
Yes Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall, (and he's admitted this was a mistake), but it was Phil Gramm, Republican who pushed it along and hid it in another bill when it came up for voting.

Have you ever heard the republicans admit that their much greater part in this was a mistake??? No? And you never will. It did exactly what they had in mind.

Trying thinking instead of taking the easy way out.
 
 
0 # Jim Young 2012-08-14 08:27
Sandy Weill, of all people admitted it, too. If the biggest proponent on Wall Street admits it, when are Phil Gramm and Dick Armey going to? Don't forget Joe Lieberman either, he lost me when he and Dodd helped over ride Clinton's veto of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act.

There are many who disappointed us back then, including many Democratic Senators, the ones that stick to defending the failed experiment (after it didn't work any better than Harding/Coolidg e/Hoover) can't be as easily excused as those earlier experimenters.
 
 
+2 # bmiluski 2012-08-13 11:51
Sorry fredboy, your buddy gwbush had 8 years to correct that. If he really wanted to do something he wouldn't have instigated 2 unfinanced wars and the biggest tax cuts in history for his wealthy buddies.
 
 
+14 # fredboy 2012-08-12 05:57
As I lean closer and closer to becoming an independent, I do so because my fellow Democrats--like the Republicans they despise--are unable to see the truth under their own sheets. They panic-respond to any challenge, shoving the facts off the table--just like the Repugs. Increasingly, based on the past 12 years, I am having a hard time telling the parties apart.

Perhaps Wall Street and Big Corps are truly in control now, and politics is just a playground they condone to distract us.
 
 
+6 # Kimc 2012-08-12 13:56
Yes, Wall St and the Big Corps are in control now: they control the media, and they have the money and the Citizens United to buy our "democracy". It is too late for us to take back the government without taking back the money first. We must take our money away from corps and banks and start our own worker-owned businesses and our own currency and banks.
 
 
+25 # bikewriter 2012-08-12 06:55
Beware of these so-called Progressives who love to harp on how the two parties and their candidates are identical. That is completely shallow rhetorical bulls**t. Sure they are both more comfortable with the military-indust rial-fossil fuel-pharmaceut ical-financial complex than we'd like them to be. But that is where the resemblance ends. Does anyone really think we'd be where we are now if Gore, after winning, had been allowed to take office. Republicans are completely shameless in their desire to privatize everything and go back to a feudal society. Yes, Obama disappointed us in many ways. But he did pass health care, left Iraq, passed fuel economy standards and is trying to do something about climate change. Do you think Romney-Ryan would do any of that?
 
 
+9 # CL38 2012-08-12 10:23
It's also republicans who repeat this mantra: the two parties are identical.
 
 
+1 # punch 2012-08-14 21:17
That's totally untrue and you're either lying or very ignorant. Republicans always try to separate themselves from every Democratic policy they can - even so far as policies that USED TO be Republican (Romneycare).

No, the people who say the two parties are identical, are the true progressives who see the truth. You should read more Noam Chomsky or Chris Hedges. Or just read history. Just actual history, that's all.
 
 
+3 # X Dane 2012-08-12 12:20
bikewriter.
In a word NO
 
 
+6 # Texas Aggie 2012-08-12 16:15
You forgot about going into Iraq, creating Guantanamo, passing the Patriot Act, and ignoring the intelligence that told Shrub that something like 9/11 was going to happen when pointing out the difference between W and Gore.
 
 
+13 # vgirl1 2012-08-12 08:50
This only happens if Democrats let it happen.

Democrats let Republicans raise Reagan to heights he never deserved.Democr ats hopefully have learned their lesson.

Democrats need to define and define Ryan as quickly and as sharply and accurately as they defined Romney.

They also need to simultaneously tie the ideas of the Romney and Ryan ticket to the policies of GW Bush, using the double down, Bush on steroids language .
 
 
+11 # Working Class 2012-08-12 09:10
We will not see a real solution unless, and until, we change how elections are financed. Money buys results. If we can't change the concept of "money = speach" we will continue to see government for sale. We need to take over the Dem's from the ground up. If that can't be done then we need a third party. Corporations fund (own) two parties, the people deserve at least one.
 
 
+3 # Kimc 2012-08-12 14:02
I agree, except third parties won't work unless we are willing to do to the Dems what the T-party did to the Repubs. We have to take over the Dem party, but we have to get the money out of politics, and how do you do that? It's not possible now, it's too late. We can't make the government vote to take money out now, and how else would you get it out? The only thing we can do is take the money away from the banksters and the greedsters until they fall of their own weight. I heard on the radio this morning that small investors are out of the stock market, and they don't know why. It's because it's immoral and is killing America.
 
 
+11 # railroadmike 2012-08-12 10:09
Paul Ryans budget is nothing more than the rehash of the 1934 "Business Plot" with the goal of destroying all our social programs to reduce taxes for the rich. The Wall Street Bankers and GOP was so angry at FDR over SSI and all his social programs they attempted a Coup of the US Government and FDR. The GOP and bankers thought FDR's social programs was a Communist plot. The Dickstien-McMco mrick House Committee On UnAmerican Affairs confirmed the plot in 1937 behind closed door sessions. Info can be found all over the web. "The Business Plot" or Maj Gan. Smedlaye D Butler the General who discovered the plot and informed FDR and the FBI.
 
 
+8 # CL38 2012-08-12 10:22
If Democrats repeat the following information from Reich's article for the next 2 months, it will make a huge difference in motivating voters:

"Republicans want to obliterate any trace of the administration that told America there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and led us into a devastating war; turned a $5 trillion projected budget surplus into a $6 trillion deficit; gave the largest tax cut in a generation to the richest Americans in history; handed out a mountain of corporate welfare to the oil and gas industry, pharmaceutical companies, and military contractors like Halliburton (uniquely benefiting the vice president); whose officials turned a blind eye to Wall Street shenanigans that led to the worst financial calamity since the Great Crash of 1929 and then persuaded Congress to bail out the Street with the largest taxpayer-funded giveaway of all time."
 
 
+9 # independentmind 2012-08-12 10:53
I think that by choosing Ryan, Romney has shot himself in the foot and handed Obama the election. All the Obama campaign has to do now is to tell the truth about the Ryan budget and stress the difference in philosophy between his approach and that of the republicans.
 
 
+5 # Texas Aggie 2012-08-12 16:18
One would hope so, but never discount the ability of the American right wing voter to disregard reality in favor of his preferred fantasy. It takes more than just presenting facts and reality. It means changing the whole definitional framework.
 
 
+9 # fhunter 2012-08-12 11:14
Reich wrote: "as if the entire 8 years ... hadn't happened". But it did, because more than 62 million MORONS voted for W the second time. That after the horrible mishandling Iraq where he led the army without a plan; announced that "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED before thousands died or maimed;converte d a budget surplus to a huge deficit. Anyone voted for him in 2004 must have been a MORON.
 
 
+8 # vgirl1 2012-08-12 11:18
I am copying for posting here, the best idea I have seen to prevent this from happening - a bumper sticker that reads:

"If you liked GW Bush, you'll love Romney".

As the originator of these words said, the Obama campaign, DCCC, Moveon.org or the Obama SuperPac should make this an available bumper sticker ASAP.

I know I would buy one.
 
 
+4 # Kimc 2012-08-12 14:05
The other good idea for a bumper sticker I've seen is:
Vulture/Voucher 2012 "You people are on your own."
 
 
+5 # michelle 2012-08-12 11:30
The Democrats could have some real fun by inviting W to their convention! Generosity of spirit, and all that. His side shuns him but we extend the hand of friendship (pity, actually).
 
 
+10 # angelfish 2012-08-12 11:40
No matter WHAT they say or do, Bush will ALWAYS be the 2000 lb. elephant in the room! They can certainly run, but they CAN'T hide! Everyone, PLEASE, get out and encourage all the folks you know to VOTE! ...and, oh yes, never, EVER Vote ReTHUGlican!
 
 
-2 # dquandle 2012-08-12 12:38
After all, what's more worthy of celebration than the repeal of Glass-Steagall, the deaths of a million and a half Iraqi's under the gorgon Albright's beneficent direction, the subversion of democracy in Haiti and the kidnapping of it's democratically elected president, replacing him again with a crew of murderous thugs, the selling off of tens if not hundreds of thousands of acres of old growth to Maxxam, and the active creation of a war to shore up the gangrenous and festering NATO, spreading death and depleted uranium throughout eastern europe,the inflicting of GATT and NAFTA on the citizens of this nation and the hemisphere, the introduction of outsourcing as a form of "economic growth", the destruction of welfare as we know it, and a deep treatise on the semantics of the word "is"......
 
 
+5 # Texas Aggie 2012-08-12 16:12
What an excellent argument for voting for Ryan/Romney!! I'm sure that the very next thing that they will do once they've trashed Obama/Romney Care, social security, medicare, veterans benefits and given away the bank to the uberwealthy while raising everyone else's taxes is to rectify the problems you mention. Why they probably will immediately withdraw from Afghanistan and bring back all the military that happen to be scattered all over the world. Not to mention, I'm sure, that they will defund most of the war profiteers the same way that they plan to defund NIH as per Ryan's budget.

Do you realize how silly your post is?
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-08-12 17:29
I LOVE YOUR POSTS!!!

It cracks me up to read right-wingers complain about Clinton signing the death of Glass-Steagall. They of course NAGGED HIM to do it at the time, and fully supported the repug Congressmen who wrote it.

They'll do anything to insult a Democrat, even if it means insulting him for doing something conservative that they agreed with at the time. Suddenly, out of nowhere, repugs want MORE GOVERNMENT REGULATION. Where were all these proponents of "more government" when Glass-Steagal was repealed? Oh that's right: CELEBRATING!

KEEP UP THE GREAT COMMENTS!
 
 
0 # punch 2012-08-14 21:04
There is absolutely nothing suggesting that dquandle is a right-winger. He seems like a true progressive to me, able to see past party tribe mentality (unlike you). Everything he criticizes about Clinton, obviously the Republicans are even more guilty of. If he really were are right-winger he would criticize Obama for bullsh*t like "stifling businesses" and "over-regulatin g" and things that are untrue (rather the opposite is true). That you cannot see this and actually think that people telling the truth about your Democratic heroes, are right-wingers, is very sad, and I see that the US will probably never be free of the blinders-on two party charade. Not any time soon at least.
 
 
+15 # pernsey 2012-08-12 13:19
This article is about Bush and how bad he was, not about Obama or Clinton. Lets not let the righties in here change the subject or redirect the conversation as they are inclined to do.

Bush and his 8 years of hell ruined this country...anyth ing Bill Clinton did Bush put it on steroids.
 
 
-4 # DaveEwoldt 2012-08-12 13:33
Oh, yes. Whatever you do, don't let anything approaching a full picture of reality impinge on your consciousness. Believe me, the status quo is _counting_ on you not connecting the dots.
 
 
+1 # CL38 2012-08-12 18:48
Liar.
 
 
0 # punch 2012-08-14 20:58
I don't think I've seen any "righties" commenting on this article at all. Nobody who's said something positive about Romney or the Republicans. Rather they've been saying that the two parties are not much different, which is true. Sure, there are differences, and the Rs are obviously worse. But it's wrong to vote for immoral, harmful and callous people no matter what. The only way to change is to actually change, vote third party.

I would think anybody who's said anything negative about Clinton or Obama, are TRUE progressives who are voting third party instead of casting another corporate vote. Of course, there could also be some planted right wingers parroting what we are saying, but there's no way to know.
 
 
+2 # Texas Aggie 2012-08-12 16:05
"They are both, in other words, unusually shallow, uncurious, two-dimensional men who ran or are running for the presidency for no clear reason other than to surpass their fathers or achieve the aims and ambitions of their wealthy patrons."

Oh, you noticed, did you? Have you also noticed that water is wet and granite is solid?
 
 
0 # Jim Young 2012-08-14 08:39
Quoting Texas Aggie:
"They are both, in other words, unusually shallow, uncurious, two-dimensional men who ran or are running for the presidency for no clear reason other than to surpass their fathers or achieve the aims and ambitions of their wealthy patrons."

Oh, you noticed, did you? Have you also noticed that water is wet and granite is solid?


I'm actually a bit afraid the attention to the top of the Richie Rich (R/R) ticket might be a welcome distraction to the real powers behind ALEC so that voters, in sick idea of creating balance, vote in even more of the ALEC boss's stooges. Many of the corporate ALEC sponsors seem to not have entirely grasped what the real bosses were up to. The backlash from the public seems to have gotten their attention, and withdrawal of support. We just need the bulk of voters to see what the casual corporate sponsors realized, and likewise withdraw their support, and even oppose any who fell under the ALEC spell.
 
 
-4 # nancyput 2012-08-13 08:09
George W. Bush did an interview recently and made it clear that he was OUT OF POLITICS. Out of respect, I am sure the GOP is not going to force him to support them at the Republican Convention. It's amazing at how things like that get twisted. GW Bush won't be there because he wants to stay out of the limelight, and out of politics. Say what you will, but I think he is making a good choice... Bill on the other hand likes the attention. That's why he will be at the Democratic Convention. I wish he and Hillary would decide to get out of politics and go home.
 
 
0 # Jim Young 2012-08-15 08:07
I prefer the opposite, I want former legislators, judges, etc to be part of shadow legislature like that described in "It's Even Worse Than It Looks." My understanding is they wouldn't have any authority but would be sort of elected to a more balanced and comprehensive forum that could discuss what their experience could add to the current debates.

Th George W. Bush Institute connected show "Ideas In Action" is carried by pbs stations in my area. How balanced it is can be argued about but I appreciate them at least providing a more balanced forum than most MSM outlets. I usually find the guests repeating old theories I think have been proven not to work, but they do provide an occasional idea I do agree with. Their Devil's Advocates present a side I do want to hear. Whether I agree with it or not is less important than finding out what the real meat of the arguments should be.
 
 
-1 # nancyput 2012-08-13 08:15
And just so you know, turning a blind eye to Wall Street began with Jimmy Carter. Do your homework. Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act was signed by President Jimmy Carter on March 31, 1980. That was the beginning of mistakes by BOTH PARTIES. Download a copy and educate yourself at: http://www.cepr.net/index.php/publications/reports/a-short-history-of-financial-deregulation-in-the-united-states/ Stop misleading the public!
 
 
-2 # pernsey 2012-08-14 17:55
This article is about how terrible Bush was, you people would rather talk about anything but the sugject at hand...W did exsist and ruined the country.
 
 
0 # Jim Young 2012-08-15 08:24
I gave you a thumbs up, instead of staying neutral, because of the gem of a source I agree far more people should look at. It clarified some faulty memories I had (thinking part of the act you referred to was in Garn-ST. Germain). My father-in-law, whom I have almost unmatched respect for, couldn't understand why I was against something that benefited him so much. I didn't know about Marquette vs First of Omaha but saw the disaster coming when South Dakots became the first state to benefit from what credit card companies could get away with once states could eliminate usury rate laws on their books.

One glaring omission is the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act, the one Joe Lieberman (and Dodd) helped over ride a Clinton veto on. It left us with no real protection from the lower level but still dangerous hype of lousy or deliberately criminal/unethi cal securities traders felt freer to offer. I (stupidly, as it turned out) voted more against Joe Lieberman than for GW Bush, and have regretted it ever since.

The site referenced does add some meat to the debates, though, even if not as complete as I'd like.
 
 
0 # clarion52 2012-08-17 13:02
I loved my bumper sticker in '73 that read, "Don't blame me; I'm from Mass." I've never voted Republican & I'm certain I never will. That said, I won't be casting my vote for Obama again, either. In spite of the mess he inherited, the obstructionism of the right, etc. he lost me almost from the beginning when he appointed his cabinet. Instead of choosing new people from the left, he continued with the same ones who helped to create the mess! Whenever he had an opportunity to make a free-handed decision, he let his base down, with a loud thump! Corporate insiders going back & forth between the government & the agencies they are supposed to regulate....?! Can anyone say "massive conflict of interest?!" I'm tired of voting for the "lesser of 2 evils." I refuse to vote for any evil this Nov. I will continue to act with conscience, voting with my dollars, every day. "Better than" is no longer good enough. I thought Obama was going to pull out the horrific weeds that Bush managed to plant. Instead he fed them fertilizer! Was he naive, thinking he had a real choice to make change? Was he a willing puppet? Who knows? Perhaps time might eventually disclose the truth. In the meantime, "que sera, sera." Continue the "good, non-violent fight" at the grass root level. Namaste
 

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