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Cole writes: "Sanity: Former US officials and academics (including me) call on the Congressional leadership to remove dangerous conspiracy theorist Michele Bachmann from the House Intelligence Committee."

Michele Bachmann announces the end of her presidential campaign, 01/04/12. (photo: Reuters)
Michele Bachmann announces the end of her presidential campaign, 01/04/12. (photo: Reuters)


Sanity and Insanity in American Politics (Bachmann, Sessions, Romney, and Chicken)

By Juan Cole, Informed Comment

03 August 12

 

anity: Former US officials and academics (including me) call on the Congressional leadership to remove dangerous conspiracy theorist Michele Bachmann from the House Intelligence Committee. Bachmann has not only embarrassed herself and Congress by saying that the federal government is riddled with “Muslim Brotherhood moles,” but her crackpot ideas have hurt US diplomacy in Egypt. Moreover, she is openly linked to the MEK terrorist organization. She shouldn’t be privy to intelligence or making intelligence policy!

Insanity: Michele Bachmann is a sitting representative in the US Congress!

Sanity: France has passed a tax on financial transactions. Since the finance sector has clearly become corrupt and a big casino in which our futures are gambled, this measure might rein in the irrational exuberance, and it is an obvious place to go in a recession for governmental resources for the public good.

Insanity Mitt Romney’s tax plan would cut taxes on the rich and increase them for you and me! He is campaigning on this plan and openly telling you that is what he is going to do. And no one thinks that is weird. Are we serfs, and he’s the candidate of the House of Lords?

Sanity: Today, 47 million women are now eligible for preventive care services, including prescription contraception, as a result of the Affordable Care Act.

Insanity: Rep. Mike Kelly (R-PA) compared birth control to Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

Sanity: The campus policeman who pepper-sprayed student protesters last winter no longer works for the university.

Insanity: The government has found a way around Posse Comitatus, the law that prevents the US military from arresting people on US soil. They have just turned local police forces like that in Anaheim into special forces operatives with full battle gear.

Sanity: Over 60 percent of Californians continue to favor the state’s greenhouse gas reductions program, and Californians say that the candidate’s position on climate change will affect how they vote in the presidential election.

Insanity Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions, when told by Barbara Boxer that 98% of scientists reject his contrarian position on climate change, said he was “offended by that…” We’re offended that you’re playing Russian roulette with the lives of our children and grandchildren, senator. Plus, have you been back to Alabama this summer?

Sanity: KFC says it supports gay marriage rights.

Insanity: Evangelicals are lining up at Chick-a-Fill fast food joints to show support for the bigotry of the chain’s owner.

The gay chicken wars have come to America.


 

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+82 # dkonstruction 2012-08-03 11:58
Sorry, Juan, but "insane" people are not responsible for their actions. These folks are and they should be held accountable. It's also an insult to the truly insane whom i would much rather see in office than any of these slime buckets.
 
 
-55 # dkonstruction 2012-08-03 12:37
Quoting dkonstruction:
Sorry, Juan, but "insane" people are not responsible for their actions. These folks are and they should be held accountable. It's also an insult to the truly insane whom i would much rather see in office than any of these slime buckets.


Another commentless thumbs down...Don't you folks even have confidence enough in your beliefs to at least tell the person you are disagreeing with why? I guess not. So, i guess this means either that you do think these folks are "insane" or that you believe that the truly insane should be held accountable for their actions or that you would prefer to have any one of these bums than someone who is truly insane?
 
 
+41 # David Heizer 2012-08-03 15:42
Quoting dkonstruction:
Quoting dkonstruction:
Sorry, Juan, but "insane" people are not responsible for their actions. These folks are and they should be held accountable. It's also an insult to the truly insane whom i would much rather see in office than any of these slime buckets.


Another commentless thumbs down...Don't you folks even have confidence enough in your beliefs to at least tell the person you are disagreeing with why? I guess not. So, i guess this means either that you do think these folks are "insane" or that you believe that the truly insane should be held accountable for their actions or that you would prefer to have any one of these bums than someone who is truly insane?

Quoting dkonstruction:
Sorry, Juan, but "insane" people are not responsible for their actions. These folks are and they should be held accountable. It's also an insult to the truly insane whom i would much rather see in office than any of these slime buckets.


I think you both are missing his meaning. He is not saying that Bachmann, Romney, et al., are insane; he is calling the fact that they are supported and enabled by half the country "insanity," and he is not using that word in either the clinical or the judicial sense.

And yes, most folks on here, it seems to me, give thumbs-downs to say, "that violates my knee-jerk beliefs" rather than, "that is a lousy argument." So I don't usually bother with the thumbs.
 
 
+23 # jacksmedium 2012-08-04 06:11
Sometimes I find it aggravating to have to explain the obvious and just give it the thumb.
 
 
+12 # Majikman 2012-08-04 01:33
dkonstruction.. .WTF???? Are you arguing with yourself? You get a bunch of people agreeing with you and in the very next post throw a hissy fit because they thumbed down? I must be missing something.
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2012-08-06 05:49
Quoting Majikman:
dkonstruction...WTF???? Are you arguing with yourself? You get a bunch of people agreeing with you and in the very next post throw a hissy fit because they thumbed down? I must be missing something.


When i posted the comment i only had thumbs down...i don't argue with myself online...only in private...and, i was not throwing a "hissy fit" but i do think it is obnoxious (and lazy) for people to disagree with a thumbs down instead of taking a minute to post the reason such that there can actually be some reasonable and intelligent back and forth on this board...i know, too much to ask for too much to expect....
 
 
+23 # humanmancalvin 2012-08-04 04:23
dkonstruction asks; "Don't you folks even have confidence enough in your beliefs to at least tell the person you are disagreeing with why?"
It all stats & ends with hitting your head against a brick wall repeatedly dk. Through frustrating experience, it is folly to try to debate a right winger. Facts have no place in the conversation; if it is promoted on Fox-News or by the likes of Beck or Limbaugh then like their view of the bible, it is the unassailable gospel. They phoo-phoo facts, hard researched unimpeachable facts as not worthy of consideration if said facts do not meet their version of reality. So in essence dk, it is easier to click a red thumbs down to show dislike, or disdain in some cases rathe to attempt an argument/debate with one that walks with their head in a right wing cloud. I by the way awarded you with a thumbs down but decided to scribble this & await your reply & its version of truth direct from talking points & twisted non-logic.
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2012-08-06 05:54
Humanmancalvin, to some degree i agree with you but not completely. there are some conservatives that i think we can and in fact need to engage...e.g., there are some in the base of the t-party that in some ways have a similar critique (such that it is) to those on "the left" -- namely, that government doesn't work for us. We would tend to agree though probably for very different reasons or at least reach very different conclusions as to what "the answer" is.

I keep remembering back to the pictures from "the battle in seattle" when teamsters were holding signs saying "save the turtles"...so there is hope (sometimes). bottom line though is that we need to figure out how to talk with and engage people who don't already agree with us otherwise we just keep talking to ourselves. but, i hear ya, and you're right that with some folks there is just no talking rationally.
 
 
0 # David Heizer 2012-08-06 18:20
Except the initial comment is hardly the rantings of a right-winger. (I didn't realize that both comments were the same person! LOL) That is the problem with thumbs-downing everything you happen to disagree with. There is a certain intellectual rigor in formulating an actual critique of what someone wrote; sometimes you wind up changing your opinion before you're done! Sometimes you realize in the process that you misunderstood, or that you don't actually disagree, or that the original writer had a point you didn't appreciate right away.

I try to thumbs-up anything I think is intelligent and reasoned (even if I disagree), and only thumbs-down the really hateful mindless spew (even if I happen to agree in principle).
 
 
-1 # jacksmedium 2012-08-04 06:07
Here's a thumbs up from me. So there!
 
 
+59 # pernsey 2012-08-03 15:25
Quoting dkonstruction:
Sorry, Juan, but "insane" people are not responsible for their actions. These folks are and they should be held accountable. It's also an insult to the truly insane whom i would much rather see in office than any of these slime buckets.


I agree with you, Michelle Bachman should be held accountable and should not be on the intelligence comittee. Putting Michelle Bachman and intelligence in the same sentence is about as insane as the stuff she says and does is.

In my mind Mitt and the things he says and flips flops on things is acting insane also.

I will say Mitt and Michelle act insane trying to appease their party and the rich corporations they serve. I dont think they are actually insane but they do things that would indicate they are.
 
 
+35 # gzuckier 2012-08-03 22:56
The insanity is treating the vocal behaviorial tics of Bachmann, Palin, Bush et al as though they were some sort of speech with thought and meaning behind it. Some dim mental connection sparks to life and they flap their gums a bit and bits and pieces of things they've heard which seem relevant float to the surface and flow outwards. Muslims! Obama! Socialism! Fear! Squawk!
If you want meaning, you'd be better off listening to a well-trained parrot.
 
 
+8 # mdhome 2012-08-04 20:59
I wanted to give you 2 thumbs up for the first statement that made sense.
 
 
+10 # pietheyn 2012-08-03 19:46
Just possibly she is a leaker merely voicing what actually transpired at "Intelligence" committee meetings.
 
 
+17 # gioia 2012-08-03 20:26
I would suspect that ulcers ahd other gut wrenching stomach ailments await those ignorant creatures who consume all that hate filled chicken.
It's inevitable.
 
 
+34 # angelfish 2012-08-03 20:32
Allowing Michele Bachmann to continue sitting on the Intelligence Committee SEVERELY damages it. Since she hasn't a SCINTILLA of intelligence, it is DANGEROUS and a threat to National Security to have a Moron on that Committee! Just give her some crayons and let her sit in a quiet room somewhere where she won't do any more damage.
 
 
+11 # MichaelArchAngel 2012-08-04 19:33
I could not understand how Ms. Bachmann earned a l;aw degree. Then learned her degree was from Oral Roberts. Enough said.
 
 
+22 # unitedwestand 2012-08-03 21:11
Bachman is insane, everything else is just giving me too much of a headache to respond to.

Bachman should have a job sweeping the floor in Congress' rooms. (No offense to the good people that actually have to do that.)
 
 
-32 # James Marcus 2012-08-03 21:38
Bachman's Insanity is fairly irrelevant.
Our Commander-in-Ch ief:
Enters and maintains Undeclared Wars Without End;
Approves of Human Torture;
Dismantles Constitutional rights to Privacy, and Due Process;
Sends yet more CIA goons to 'Help' other Nations;
Has more Secrets, and 'Cover-Ups', than we know; Sends drones anywhere and everywhere, which just happen to Kill Innocents, women and children.
Gives away the US Treasury to his Banksta Buddies ( who are too Greedy to Fail);
Don't, please, get Distracted by 'Bachman Insanity'.
We have Real Trouble; far, far beyond her.....
 
 
+26 # pernsey 2012-08-04 07:09
Quoting James Marcus:
Bachman's Insanity is fairly irrelevant.
Our Commander-in-Chief:
Enters and maintains Undeclared Wars Without End;
Approves of Human Torture;
Dismantles Constitutional rights to Privacy, and Due Process;
Sends yet more CIA goons to 'Help' other Nations;
Has more Secrets, and 'Cover-Ups', than we know; Sends drones anywhere and everywhere, which just happen to Kill Innocents, women and children.
Gives away the US Treasury to his Banksta Buddies ( who are too Greedy to Fail);
Don't, please, get Distracted by 'Bachman Insanity'.
We have Real Trouble; far, far beyond her.....


This aritcle is not about Obama, I think you righties have no defense for your party or candidates so you just keep attacking Obama. This is a distract and deflect strategy. The article is about the insanity of Michelle and Mitt.
 
 
+12 # freeportguy 2012-08-04 17:32
Trying to wash your hands of the conservative mess by passing it to Obama, huh?

As Colin Powell stated it early on: "You break it, you own it"...
 
 
+3 # James Smith 2012-08-05 06:29
You must be talking about GWB. All of those things started during his administration. Obama's failure is he has not done anything to counter those things.
 
 
+5 # James Smith 2012-08-05 06:31
Bachmann shouldn't just be removed from COngress, she should be removed from an open society and placed in an institution for the criminally insane.
 
 
-2 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-08-03 22:21
BULLETIN! This just in. Crazy Eddie of cheap electronics fame, has just resurfaced. He has announced that crazy Mitt & crazy Michelle have teamed up for the elections of 2012.
In typical Crazy Eddie style, with his hands waving crazily in front of him said, "These elections are just INSANE! Sale ends November 6th."
 
 
+29 # Larry 2012-08-03 23:40
Rather than debate the mental state of Bachman, Romney, et. al, how about focusing on the mindset of all those voters who, knowing these characters and what they stand for, nevertheless support them! Absent this nation's emerging addiction to right-wing extremism, characters like Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh would never garner celebrity and adoration, but only the obloquy and obscurity they so richly deserve. As Pogo so astutely observed, the real enemy is us.
 
 
0 # bmiluski 2012-08-06 06:34
There is a "brain-washed" mentality of the people in the republican party (Probably why its so popular with the religious right.) A friend of my parents a (German concentration camp survivor) was a staunch republican supporter. When asked if he would vote for Hitler if he were a republican candidate for president, my parent's friends answered yes.
 
 
0 # James Smith 2012-08-06 09:12
our anecdote about voting for Hitler would be hilarious if it were not typical of the blinders-on thinking of the religious reich and the neo-cons.
 
 
+33 # hi honey 2012-08-03 23:45
I'm a Minnesotan, living near Bachmann's district. It is truly frightening to drive through that district. There are mile upon mile of billboards lining the freeways to Duluth and Fargo that speak to that "insane" extremist right wing propaganda. There is a Cabellas store in Rogers Mn. that is located on David Koch Dr. Seriously??? Yes. Camo clothing is the preferred mode of dress.
Politicians who spread the fear & hate spread the fear & hate. There is an epidemic in too many parts of the country, the 6th district in Minnesota included.
 
 
+15 # jacksmedium 2012-08-04 06:16
Thanks for the insight. I'm not in the least surprised.
 
 
+13 # JetpackAngel 2012-08-04 10:53
You poor, poor person.

Right now I'm thinking of what it would be like to have a bunch of billboards with Bachmann's eyes staring at you every day on the way to work. And I'm shuddering.
 
 
0 # AndreM5 2012-08-06 08:05
I know the territory. It was previously prime real estate for the "Impeach Earl Warren" billboards, also courtesy of the Koch family.
 
 
+8 # barbaratodish 2012-08-04 01:51
Bachmann's photo brings this quote to mind :"Appearances tyrannize over truth and are Lords of happiness"!Inst ead of having her appearance, and her eyelashes, Michelle Bachmann's appearance, and her eyelashes, HAVE her!
 
 
+32 # Barbara K 2012-08-04 03:28
It's no wonder that our Congress has become so dysfunctional with these crazies running it. Why do some people think they should be sending crazies to represent them? The nutty utterances of the craziness of these nutjobs should be a warning that they are too far gone to be rational or to even think rationally. Stop putting the crazy ones back in Congress. We need sanity so we can get this country functioning again. And now Romney, the etch-a-sketch empty suit who lies, distorts, cheats on his taxes, erased his Governorship records (wonder what he had to hide there?), can't show his tax records because they would be "scrutinized". That's the best they have? Not Presidential material.
 
 
+15 # Independentgal 2012-08-04 06:55
Agree 100%!
 
 
+2 # MichaelArchAngel 2012-08-04 19:38
I try never to say that I agree 100% with anybody.
 
 
+25 # riverhouse 2012-08-04 04:15
Let's give up the psychiatric defining of insanity and just appreciate the contrasts which I believe was the intent of the writer. That we have become so accepting of such nonsense, some of which is seriously damaging to our nation, from our lawmakers and others in power is a serious issue.
 
 
+31 # fishmother 2012-08-04 05:51
Putting Michelle Bachman and intelligence in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
 
 
+28 # 2lilluc 2012-08-04 06:05
The writer was pointing to the insanity of too much of the goings on in our government, and that is certainly true.
The Bachmann's and Romney's and much of the Republican party are far from insane. Yes, Bachmann is certainly dim.. as for the whole, they are dishonest, greedy, rascist, corporate a**-kissers,
oligarchic, and self-seeking and I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them...and not even that!
 
 
+24 # Lolanne 2012-08-04 06:23
Another POV on thumbs up/thumbs down... I read a great many of RSN's articles and follow-up comments, but I don't always have time to add comments. When that is the case, I do use the up or down clicks to signify agreement or disagreement. I don't think that's useless or spineless. It helps provide info on how the articles are being received by readers and the prevailing opinions of readers.
 
 
+4 # Majikman 2012-08-04 09:32
Moi aussi, Lolanne. Sometimes I agree with a portion of a post, and disagree with another segment. My guide post is those 1 - 5 questions of "strongly disagree, strongly agree" with mid range getting no thumbs at all if I can't comment. I love well meaning but differing opinions from knowledgeable posters, and frequently go to sites they recommend. Being challenged in my own beliefs can be annoying, but I'll gladly consider it (unless it's from one of those fool trolls)
I love the comments format for RSN and delight in the debate, so have at it, sez I.
 
 
+4 # Lolanne 2012-08-04 09:58
Quoting Majikman:
Moi aussi, Lolanne. Sometimes I agree with a portion of a post, and disagree with another segment. My guide post is those 1 - 5 questions of "strongly disagree, strongly agree" with mid range getting no thumbs at all if I can't comment. I love well meaning but differing opinions from knowledgeable posters, and frequently go to sites they recommend. Being challenged in my own beliefs can be annoying, but I'll gladly consider it (unless it's from one of those fool trolls)
I love the comments format for RSN and delight in the debate, so have at it, sez I.


Agreed, Majikman -- the comments are my favorite part of RSN. I enjoy knowing what others are thinking, especially when the postings are thoughtful and reasoned or offer info I didn't have (though sometimes the ones that just express anger are very good too!). I do object to the obvious flamers who NEVER have a positive thing to say! We do have a few of those, and often I don't even bother with the red thumb on them -- no point, and I rather think if we all just totally ignored them, they'd eventually go away.
 
 
0 # bmiluski 2012-08-06 06:38
The obvious flamers will not go away. Many of them are paid to post that sort of garbage. They want you to respond to them so that the article looks like a lot of interested folks have read it.
 
 
+10 # crinvegas 2012-08-04 09:48
Too many of you are arguing over semantics. The facts are that persons like Bachmann and Romney are a danger to our Democracy. This is an important article. Pay attention to the facts presented; forget the meanings of 'insane' and 'insanity.'
 
 
+3 # rcossebo 2012-08-04 10:08
Or bring back someone who knew a little something about paranoia, terror and persecution; and I mean could DISH IT OUT! Know who I'm referring to? Mr. Commie fighter himself; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy
Joseph Raymond "Joe" McCarthy was an American politician who served as a Republican U.S. Senator from the state of Wisconsin from 1947 until his death in 1957.
 
 
+6 # David Starr 2012-08-04 10:25
Given the conspricy theories that don't even deserve the benefit of the doubt, like Bachman's conjuring of an "evil, dark shadow of mystery" wanting a B/W version of world domination," typical of the others like it among the Right, I seriously wonder if Bachman was once an obedient follower of Lyndon LaRouche, given his own like-minded theories.

And given that Sen. Jeff Sessions was offended by Boxer's assertion regarding climate change, I am offended that he's offended by such a facade of "moral indignation."
 
 
+14 # GravityWave 2012-08-04 10:49
I just made a list of the ideas and behaviors, of the Republican Party, that are well known to the educated and scientific communities around the world. It was not a complete list and I hit only the most obvious examples.

Then I went through and listed by each behavior what could possibly make a sane human being say and do what our current crop of so-called conservatives say and do.

98% of the items listed could definitely be attributed to delusion. That much delusion certainly warrants a pathological way of perceiving and dealing with the world.

This is, of course, not scientifically rigorous. But put together with the Bachmanns, Romneys, the Pauls, W. Bush, the banksters, Dickhead Armey, The Tea Partiers, et al, this article presents a serious indictment and a serious step that shd be just a start of what we need to do with some of our Congressmen.

My friends, educated in the psych. field, have recognized for years that Wall Street and the banisters are sociopaths. Anyone who believes that humans will physiologically change to be able to live in chemical filth, or who think that with enough money they can escape the destruction of this planet, is delusional in the extreme. That is exactly what an oil CEO said in the last week.

When you let irrational fears guide your life decisions and deny the truly dangerous issues we face, you are not just a coward, you are insane.
 
 
+4 # rcossebo 2012-08-04 12:16
I would love to see you complete list! I think it would be informative and entertaining; maybe even a WAKE UP call to all of us on some level!
 
 
+6 # doneasley 2012-08-04 12:54
GravityWave, don't leave the big lying bloviator, Donald Trump, out of this discussion. He's gone off the deep end with the Birther nonsense. The GOP has besieged Hawaii with requests for Barack Obama birth information, just as they besieged Arkansas records for info about Bill and Hillary Clinton. Hawaiian officials were so exasperated and these fishing expeditions so costly that they began to charge more than the normal fee for copies of the president's birth certificate. When this Birther business was going hot and heavy, Orly Taitz, on 2 separate occasions, created and circulated Kenyan birth certificates, both of which proved to be phonies. And yet, she remains in good stead with her Regressive party. And there sits Rmoney with the Israeli priminister spouting off a script written for him by his money backers at his side - led by Sheldon Adelson.

Which brings me to a sore subject. Much of this extreme nonsense is being conjured up by naturalized citizens:
1. Rupert Murdoch - owner of Fox News, originally from Australia;
2. Ayn Rand - Atheist sociopathic writer from Russia, who has influenced the "I've got mine" group among GOP lawmakers (Paul Ryan being the foremost proponent); and...
3. Orly Taitz, a Russian import.

These are anti-American Ideas coming from a party which claims to be so religious and so patriotic! Rmoney cozies up to and takes his marching orders from these people. We're in trouble folks if he's elected!
 
 
+3 # Lolanne 2012-08-05 05:27
I would also love to see your completely list, GravityWave. Would you consider publishing it somewhere?
 
 
+11 # robniel 2012-08-04 11:28
This situation provides clear evidence for why Congress is called an institution. Although every time one of the inmates gets TV time, the clowns line up behind him/her to show it's also a circus.
 
 
+4 # Noni77 2012-08-04 12:33
Yup, just as insane as the laughably ridiculous rumors coming out of Europe in the 1940's that Germans were "gassing" their OWN citizens!!! How insane was that?!
 
 
+4 # castaway5555 2012-08-05 11:47
Bachmann in Congress is like a voo-doo doctor in a hospital.
 
 
-1 # bmiluski 2012-08-06 06:46
Watching "mittens" with Sheldon Adelson brings home all my fears regarding "Citizens United". I wonder which country will own us first?
 

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