Taibbi writes: "We all know Pat Buchanan is a little crazy. We also know that he has a reputation for racially explosive rhetoric. He's staked out this very territory before, in his last book, which hilariously had a chapter entitled, 'The End of White America.'"
Pat Buchanan. (photo: Fox News)
Buchanan: "Decline of White Population Dooms GOP"
27July 12
o the Mad Hatter of the American conservatism, Pat Buchanan, wrote a piece today called "In the Long Run, is the GOP Dead?" It’s basically a fatalistic prediction that the GOP is doomed because it can’t promise enough free lunches for the inexorably rising percentage of nonwhite voters. And there's a line in there that I hope he clarifies, because it seemed crazy even for him.
The piece starts off by looking at California as a test case:
In the Golden Land, a state Nixon carried all five times he was on a national ticket and Reagan carried by landslides all four times he ran, the GOP does not hold a single statewide office. It gained not a single House seat in the 2010 landslide. Party registration has fallen to 30 percent of the California electorate and is steadily sinking.
Buchanan first posits that perhaps this problem is specific to California, a place where conservative positions on abortion and gay rights make statewide wins a challenge. But then he switches to demographics, quoting generally-astute Karl Rove acolyte Steve Schmidt, the hero of Game Change.
"When you look at the population growth," says GOP consultant Steve Schmidt, "the actual party is shrinking. It's becoming more white. It's becoming older."
Buchanan then goes on:
Consider ethnicity. Hispanics were 15 percent of the U.S. population in 2008 and 7.4 percent of the electorate. Both percentages will inexorably rise.
Yet in their best years, like 2004, Republicans lose the Hispanic vote 3-to-2. In bad years, like 2008, they lose it 2-to-1. Whites are already a minority in California, and Hispanics will eventually become the majority.
Say goodbye to the Golden Land.
Um … what?
We all know Pat Buchanan is a little crazy. We also know that he has a reputation for racially explosive rhetoric. He’s staked out this very territory before, in his last book, which hilariously had a chapter entitled, "The End of White America."
That amazing work contained lines like, "Whites may discover what it is like to ride in the back of the bus," and "Every New York cabby must know the odds, should he pick up a man of color at night." He even wrote wistfully of the segregation era, seeming to suggest it was a time that even nonwhite Americans should remember with fondness.
Back then, black and white lived apart, went to different schools and churches, played on different playgrounds, and went to different restaurants, bars, theaters, and soda fountains. But we shared a country and a culture. We were one nation. We were Americans.
Right, except for the fire hoses and the lynchings, there was unity then! A sense of collective purpose! Sure, we used black men as lab rats for syphilis experiments, but dammit, we were all in this thing together. As Americans!
Buchanan’s mind is clearly ripening quickly and it’s been ages since he mattered in the Republican party, but this is pretty crazy stuff, even by his standards.
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The republicans are such cry babies, boo hoo my guy isnt going to win the reason really being that...hes a souless, heartless, and empty suit of a drone for the corporations. Hes tactless too, hes so rich he doesnt even know hes insulting people. Hes the new bubble boy.
When they can no longer spew their racism, xenophobia and homophobia, they will have to stand behind their economic ideology which makes about as much sense as Buchanan. Good luck with that.
Now, having committed everything to the Southern Strategy, Republicans worry about "losing their country." The same region experienced the same desperate fear 160 years ago, and in fact, the Confederacy did lose its country. For reactionaries, this is deja vu.
Today, a shrunken base of Pat Buchanans — aging white men (and often enough their wives and families) — trembles at the demographic handwriting on the wall. Obama represents a racial future impervious to the Southern Strategy. His life story ratifies immigration. His marriage exemplifies the power and equal dignity of women. As the country continues to urbanize, Obama represents the necessarily more liberal attitudes of diverse people living in close proximity. He is friendly toward gays, open-minded and tolerant in religious matters. Every element of the ascendant national demographics is identified with Obama.
Pat Buchanan is afraid because he knows that "Southern Strategy" must lose its meaning of 1970 and regain its meaning of 1870: "Reconstruction " — the dead end of a rotten social structure and its attendant political regime. Tough, Pat.
It sounds like I'm arguing with everything you said. I'm not. I agree with everything else.
I just wish everybody knew the elderly as well as I do. It's heart breaking and I don't think most of you will know what you missed until it's too late.
Pat buchanan doesn't represent their values either.
When we're pitting generations against each other that's what we're all doing.
There are regional, political and socio-economic differences between seniors just like with any other group of Americans. Some of them may be strongly conservative, although I don't know any senior skinheads. I DO however know many seniors who are as liberal as anybody on these threads, with one exception. Many of them actually did something about it.
I can't imagine younger generations ending segregation, protesting the Vietnam War, standing up to Hitler for the right reasons, or willingly paying a high income tax rate to fund the middle class the way that generation did, unless you count the voices that are only speaking up right now, due to the precedent that was set in the 1950s and '60s.
When people talk about how much racial strife there was back then, they conveniently forget that that had occured for hundreds of years prior. It wasn't UNTIL that time that someone actually did something about it.
If our generation had inherited the Great Depression, WWII, and the racial issues of that time, OUR generation wouldn't have had the courage to do anything about any of those problems. Our generation would be too busy arguing about the finer points of the nazi perspective to actual draw a line in the sand.
CONT.
We worked in different nursing homes. Our elderly parents are entirely different people. We are seeing different sides of the same social problem, that goes much deeper than an arbitrary divideb between generations.
To give the racist fox viewing seniors credit, at least they're more honest about it. The H.O.A. lawn manicured YOUNG repuglicans in my own neighborhood, when they're not cleaning their cars twice a week, are just as racist, but a lot more savy about which code words to use.
Besides, at this point, the last thing we can afford to do is turn away natural political alies, like people relying on the very Social Security and Medicare that repugs want to take away.
I really don't understand the political strategy behind insulting people who might actually agree with you.
Otherwise, politics is just reality. Death and disease are as well, and they can't be fixed by assuming they'll fix themselves.
It would be great if you're right. I just wouldn't get my hopes up.
LOL
The left completely destroyed my generation, you don't have a future now.
Meanwhile Conservative youth like myself are just waiting to totally lead this generation.
btw I am 23, you can panic now.
LOL
Lumping all seniors together is like lumping all GenXers or all Baby Boomers or all women or all people of color. Don't fall into that trap! It's what keeps us apart and fearful of each other. It's what Hitler did and it's what Republican strategists have been doing since 1968.
The MSNBC with a known black supremacist named Al Sharpton as a host of his own show?
Whites have done it for years. Now that hispanics are the biggest population in Cali they have earned the right to vote in the people they believe in.
The fact that you call Sharpton a black supremist shows your ignorance too btw.
Some good points, my mother would be about 89 had she lived...she always stressed that blacks were equal, but her father was about the most bigoted person I ever knew...and probably would have adored Pat Buchanan.
The only thing that's changed is that younger racists are less honest and better able to maneuver around the code words. If you've lived in the deep South recently you know it's much like it always was.
How many 20 and 30 year olds have we had to read on these very threads who think ron paul and his son rant are the messiah? If you think racism is dying out ask any black person.
Black people and Hispanics DON'T seem to think it's getting any better. Wouldn't they know?
but integration hasn't ruined education in the cities! education in the cities is fine! im a product of urban education- i was *until* my parents moved to a VERY affluent suburb of DC (one of the ten richest in the nation), and in 11th grade, they were using the *exact* same texts as we, in the city, were using in 9th grade.
it's not integration. it's political correctness. it's the idea that it's considered rude and even racist when a white (or even light skinned biracial, which is what i am) person/teacher dares to correct the speech of a black or latino or other "minority" student.
Wow. Just wow.
Great Scott did you really write this pointless post?
Inner cities are a mess because the middle class, of all colors, fled to the suburbs. Suburban public schools, I hasten to add, are as integrated as urban public schools.
It's the "starve it, wreck it, blame it on liberal gov., then privatize it to your own image" model. Don't fit the "own image" profile for the newly privatized educational model? Sucks to be you...
Only a complete fool, or equivalently, someone who is politically correct, can ask this idiotic question. Only a complete fool, or equivalently someone who is politically correct, can fail to see the difference between white and non-white cultures in the world.
The only thing buchanan got wrong is that he acts like the demise of the GOP is a "bad thing". No. In fact, it might save America.
Well, actually, the other thing he got wrong is assuming whites still go for the GOP like they did before bush jr. took the mask off and revealed he was the beast of the Apocalypse. Even whites are starting to get the big picture. Even whites are starting to turn away from the GOP.
Really, the only demographic the GOP still speaks for is people who own dresage horses.
And that is why the GOP is agonner.
God forbid we'd subject a republican to the same ridicule.
For the record, I respect the people who ride the horses. I also respect the horses.
I don't respect billionaires who think they can BUY athleticism.
Don't I wish. They're "reaching out to youth" these days, and I would bet the farm that the message is, "They're paying for THOSE people [fill in the blank - seniors, poor, minority, people who don't look like you] with YOUR money." With the systematic gutting of civics education, let alone civic values, in lieu of the culture of greed and privatization, they're counting on youth to believe that they could do a lot better "investing" their own money instead of having Gubmint give it away. Imagine, just for a second, what would have happened in the 2008 crash had Bush been successful in "privatizing" Social Security.
The Romney's give dressage a bad name.
Art Torres
Chairman of California Democrat Party
As long as Democrats put people like this in power and host people like Louis Farrakhan in liberal universities while refusing Conservatives, I will do everything in my power to destroy your disgusting and hypocritical party and ideological stance.
Torres was voted in by the leading population in our state, the hispanics..if that bothers you its too friggin bad. And if you don't like his ideological beliefs that is too bad as well since he was voted in by the Democrats in the state, ALL of them, regardless of their race. You are the one that is hung up on race here hypocritelol.
buchanan's is the politics of fear and he's becoming less and less relevant.
If only those "Mitt Twits" weren't so obscenely wealthy, and the minds of so many of the electorate so easily bought by well-funded untruth. There's no penalty for lying - it's free speech! - and no inclination on the part of so many to educate themselves about what's true and what's not. And the media, for the most part, are a "wholly owned subsidiary" now.
And what is wrong with looking at demographics and trying to consider the future. We will face problems. Our "dominant culture" is far from perfect, but attendant with all the immigration has been a lot of crime and problems. Does it make me a Nazi if I say I wish we would limit immigration - illegal and legal, if we want to have a decent country where we can afford to invest in our citizens - we simply cannot afford to have everyone in the world moving here.
That's the way Buchanon sees it, does not mean it is true. It's not like Buchanon is a member of the KKK, or a Nazi, in fact when you place him on the political spectrum he is a bit of a moderate compared to the NeoCons.
This idea of picking out people, saying how bad they are and having a big convulusion over them is so "right-wing". If that is how the left thinks they are going to win back public opinion I don't think it looks any more appealing when they do than when Ann Coulter or those on the right spews their vitriole.
I admit. I still pine for the 60's-early 70's.
But I also remember salads consisting of ice berg lettuce, a tomato and cucumber. A blandness of food and choice of textures.
I LOVE what greater diversity has brought to America. The multicultural intertwining and various forms of fusions, as well as all the still stand-alone 'What was America + What's been added to become America now.'
We live in a colorful soup, with a 'blend of flavors' that is US but still with all the individual, recognizable chunks of this and that which makes us what we are today. I love it.
What I loath is the Corporate Greed and growing nasty, separatist-like intolerance flowing from the ignorant actions of too many simple-single minded people now allied with super wealthy corporatists who seek dominion over everything and to force their intolerant, retro, anti-truth, anti-human condition, exclusive vision of America upon all of us for the sake of greater profit and power for fewer and fewer. Done through their sea of cash drowning our Republic and their deliberate media-construct ed driving force behind it all-- Division and Fear..!
I think they are anti-American and systematically destroying our Republic as they claw at trying to control everything because they are either greedy, afraid of and despise 'Others' unlike them, or both.
They don't make white people in China, do they?
LOL!!!
Hint: "Don't touch my Medicare"
All you did was prove how the extreme right votes against their own self-interest time and time again. They vote for the extremists on the right who want nothing more than to do away with Medicare and turn it into a voucher system, ala Ryan's budget plan.
If the GOP wanted to keep Medicare and fix it Ryan sure as hell wouldn't want to turn it into a voucher plan...thats a no-brainer. Polls show that the extreme rightwing voters don't even realize that Medicare is a federal program.
http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com
Tom Degan
Life has too many problems and opportunities, too much love...to be wasting time on confederates whose entire
premise is to return most of us to their basic cruelty and sadism: SLAVERY! Adios, reeps, and cut it short, please: just LEAVE. Go!
Yeah, I'm white and my family has been here since a Brit sea captain jumped and decided to stay in 1730...we'll get along just FINE.I've got too many friends to worry about those dirty old reep-sheets.
However, you also made the statement "Integration has wrecked US education in the cities."
I'm afraid that rather audacious statement requires some proof. If you'd care to provide any proof, I'd be happy to read it.
Can the electoral college. We don't need a filter. To the contrary, we need to be heard.
Fifty years ago public school in the US were great. I'm from a very poor state, poor county, all coal miners, like the place the writer of 'The Glass Palace' slandered (great book though), the schools, despite the book, were excellent.
Integration has destroyed public education in the US, but you can't say it. You'll be all but arrested.
My mother was a teacher, she used to joke about the new arrivals. Not funny any more. I'll give you something to read .... google "What it's like to teach math to black students'.
Now that public education is dead, the vultures are circling trying to privatize the whole thing. Political correctness is fine for a while, but to sit by as it destroys the entire society is a little bizarre.
But back to Taibbi - he is a great financial writer, the best. And then he writes this idiotic piece which consists of calling Buchanan names and NOTHING MORE. What gives with that? Why
With a Democratic party full of CIA plants an fake Democrats who needs the Republican party to survive anyway?
You sound like a Tea-Part fantasy-finder like Lionel Marcus, who accused Obama of being a racist, or the South Central LA T.P. ("Tripe-politic s" I calls 'em) founder and leader "rev" Jesse Lee Peterson raving on at Maxine Waters for comin' at the with their own strong rhetoric.
Nothin' white about these twits and others.
We are not victims, we are accomplices because we don't raise enough hell, long enough or loud enough. Nixon didn't get out of Viet Nam until public outrage was incendiary. We are in our third cycle of Republican "overdrive." The Gilded Age, the Roaring Twenties and the Reagan Revolution that caught fire then escalated Darwinian capitalism into vampire/grind-e conomies-into-t he-ground corporatist feudalism. The corporate state does not seem to fear people. The masses are robots to them. But the 1% is thin-skinned. Especially, the Boch Krothers. Ridicule is a delicious weapon against those who see themselves a deities. They cannot fathom that the unwashed masses would have the audacity to challenge their obvious superiority. Ask the clueless, Romney fund raiser guests interviewed in their chauffeur- driven limos as they slowly inched into the sumptuous estate where the event was held. One dowager dipstick said, "Ordinary people just don't understand." What's to understand. The rich get the uranium mine and ordinary people get the shaft along with a hail Mary, one-fingered salute to heaven to top it off. How hard is that to misunderstand?
If they don't adapt, they'll go the way of the dinosaurs.
Boo Hoo.
White people in the inner city are not treated as a minority, they simply don't exist according to local govt.
You couldn't pay black people a billion dollars to be a white person in Detroit.
So now, there really is no party for people who believe in honest, grass roots free-enterprise . Between the Democrats and the Republicans that is pretty much a thing of the past. The degree to which the two Parties agree on that by far outweighs their differences. It is just a question of which type of central control we are going to have, neither Party believes in the virtues of Individual Rights. And since the major media outlets are corporatist interests, they are certainly not going to cover that alliance.
The Hispanic voting population is diverse, (racially as well as ideologically) and their daily needs are as varied as the non-Hispanic. Most, as immigrants or first, second and third generation US citizens, comprehend the real "America" the America of opened arms and a land of dreams. The fact that the Republicans want to stifle those dreams or the opportunity for them probably makes the Republican Party unattractive, perhaps down right repugnant.
But while the white supremacist faction in the US may be shrinking (that god) it has never given up power easily. The first move it is making is to limit the voting rights on non-whites and to move back to the good old days (for them) of Jim Crow. The South has always had a left of center majority (a few liberals and most African Americans) but white and racist republicans have almost always been able to dominate southern politics. They know how to play minority politics.
It is not voters who decide elections but money. With the right advertising campaiggns Americans could be made to vote for dog shit for president (the last two presidents prove that). Americans are just politically stupid and infinitely gullible. So race and party don't really matter. The rich will still rule no matter what the racial make up of the nation is or what the party composition is.
Want to learn the background of all this? Read W.J. Cash's "The Mind of the South", an old book written by an honest, blunt Southern historian who reported what he knew and what he saw back in the 1930s. The white settlers wrecked humane society and democracy with slavery and genocide. They wrecked their land with carelessness and single crop farming, then, like slash-and-burn primitives, packed up and kept moving west.
One day they looked up and hollered, "Whoops! There's the Pacific Ocean! We can't go farther!" No wonder Southern California is notorious for so many neurotics and nuts. I lived there, too, and was glad to leave for New England, where conservatives are often actually conservative (i.e., careful and cautious, not Southern wimps and haters.
With rapidly increasing global warming, the hothouse South will become even more a place to escape from. I did. I'm a old (76) white person who's been marching Leftward all my adult life, and HARPERS wrote that we redheads are doomed since the sun will kill us off. From a rational perspective, I can't see why any person should give a damn about the survival of paleface whites.
So white americans will drive themselves into extinction and the Americas will return to the the brown people who originally inhabited it. That's all good. It will take some more time, but the future is pretty certain. Of course, there are some whites who do not carry the genetic defects for violence, aggression, greed, and destructiveness . But they are trampled by the whites who do.
Buchananan (or maybe better Gingrich) is the spokesperson for this cohort of bad seeds. He does not know it. He thinks they are a super race. this is really a delicious irony.
and you reward the whites in Europe with mass immigration and extinction.
You are a anti white piece of crap, nothing more.
You are a perfect example for me to use to destroy any shred of moral high ground the left thinks it has.
and the 13 likes proves there is at least 13 sickos like yourself.
Rove & the Banksters should be in prison; Dems chickened out AGAIN.
UNtil people like him are laughed out of public like, they will always be a danger to responsible, rational leadership.
They obstructed any progress for the last 4 years. Our infastructure is to the point of not being safe at all, but they don't care. The man who barely won the GOP nomination. It's pretty much a fact now that he can't talk without being insulting and putting his foot in his mouth. He wants to be elected and goes to England, and insults the Olympics. If you can't communicate how are you going to have good foreign policy or be a positive leader? The arrogance of the GOP makes it impossible for self examination and they have to blame someone because it could never be their problem. Both parties have allowed the financiers to dictate their every move. If you're not in charge....it gets away from you. It's gotten away from both parties and the financiers are in charge. That's the problem.
The game in America is doing whatever it takes to maintain the myth of democracy and America while in fact evolving a global elitist empire that does its best to crush the individual and keep the average American so far from power that democracy doesn't matter anyway.
I wasn't aware that the left thinks that everyone in the spotlight was a leftist. I was sure that they are upset with lots of prominent people for being wingnutters.
You'll excuse me for pointing out that you have a real conspiracy problem that needs attention.
Good God man, how misinformed can you be? Trying to get the left organized is like herding cats while the right marches in lockstep behind every scurrilous hatemonger and always does what they're told. Little frightened sheep fueled by hatred and ignorance.
Why else would a majority of Republicans continue to believe that President Obama is not a Christian?
Remember, this is the git who declared that Francisco Franco was one of his heroes and has been known to physically attack debate opponents who got the better of him.
"Crazy" is far too kind a word for this bully-pulpit sociopathic opportunist!
Pat mollified his behavior some when he entered the political stage as a player, but that's over now, and he's back to his own self. The fact that he still has a paying job as a "spokesperson" is a testament to the fact that this country has a hard right wing media. Like Nixon, Buchanan's time has passed. There is hardly a point to listen to him now, and there never really was.
Is it any wonder that this country is having so much difficulty getting it back together. The "One Per-centers" are the only winners and the division between The "Ninety Per-centers" gets wider and wider.
I still wonder why COMPROMISE has become a dirty word.
The life blood for "Reader Supported News" is getting contaminated by election year BullShit . . . . .
The Human Race seemed to be headed towards being a failed experiment.
One can only hope.
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Cheers!
Tom Degan
The GOP is, without doubt, the party of elderly white Americans. That is Pat's demographic and people of his ilk reminisce about "the good old days" in only elderly white guy terms.
This will soon pass, however, there are still many who adhere to this propagandized philosophy.
Well, if you lived in the Chicago suburbs you would feel American Graffiti was a documentary. It was exactly like that here.
They don't care what you call them - democrats or republicans - as long as you buy their two party scam and elect them.
The Tea Party is made up primarily of Baby Boomers in their late 50s and 60s who are vocal but not all that numerous, and almost all southerners (the TP is almost non-existent on the West Coast). The next wave of "conservatives" are mostly technolibertari ans in their 30s and 40s, and they by and large tend to self-identify as independents. There are very few Millennials (1982-2000) that self identify as conservatives, but since they are also the first major Internet generation, I suspect that their internal identify as a generation is far stronger than association with either political party.
So yes, Pat's right. The GOP - in it's present form - will be extinct within eight years. Most of the major oil money players right now are in their 70s or 80s, and their hold is already beginning to slip as one by one they grow old and die. The Tea Party is busily self destructing - I expect that they will get hit hard everywhere except in the Deep South. There will be conservatives, but I think the GOP banner will end up being left where it falls.
The Tea Party is made up primarily of Baby Boomers in their late 50s and 60s who are vocal but not all that numerous, and almost all southerners (the TP is almost non-existent on the West Coast). The next wave of "conservatives" are mostly technolibertari ans in their 30s and 40s, and they by and large tend to self-identify as independents. There are very few Millennials (1982-2000) that self identify as conservatives, but since they are also the first major Internet generation, I suspect that their internal identify as a generation is far stronger than association with either political party.
So yes, Pat's right. The GOP - in it's present form - will be extinct within eight years. Most of the major oil money players right now are in their 70s or 80s, and their hold is already beginning to slip as one by one they grow old and die. The Tea Party is busily self destructing - I expect that they will get hit hard everywhere except in the Deep South. There will be conservatives, but I think the GOP banner will end up being left where it falls.
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