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Parry writes: "The 'independent fact-checkers' might want to dust off their Pinocchios and pull out their 'truth-o-meters' in reaction to Mitt Romney's latest calculated lie."

Mitt Romney delivers remarks in New Hampshire, 07/20/12. (photo: Getty Images)
Mitt Romney delivers remarks in New Hampshire, 07/20/12. (photo: Getty Images)



Mitt Romney's New Lie

By Robert Parry, Consortium News

22 July 12

 

he "independent fact-checkers" might want to dust off their Pinocchios and pull out their "truth-o-meters" in reaction to Mitt Romney's latest calculated lie, applying deceptive editing to President Barack Obama's remarks about how public infrastructure supports private enterprise.

This is a clear case where Romney and the right-wing media know what they're doing. They clipped Obama's remarks in such a way as to make it seem that the President was saying that business owners didn't build their own businesses, when the comment actually refers to the building of roads and other public investments.

In a talk in Roanoke, Virginia, on July 13, Obama was describing the contributions that the public sector has made toward creating conditions that help businesses succeed:

"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

Though Obama's syntax is slightly mangled, the context is obvious. Obama is saying that businesses did not build the roads, bridges and the Internet. But the right-wing media quickly lopped off the context. Fox News applied its classic selective editing.

On Tuesday, Romney joined in, telling a rally in Pennsylvania that Obama "said this: ‘If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.'" Romney then extrapolated from this misleading quote that Obama wants Americans to be "ashamed of success" and that Obama is "changing the nature of America."

"I find it extraordinary that a philosophy of that nature would be spoken by a president of the United States," Romney said.

But Obama wasn't saying that someone else built the business; he was saying someone else built "that," i.e. the public infrastructure that businesses use. Given this clear context, Romney and other right-wing figures know exactly what they're doing. They're lying.

Yet, reflecting again how poorly the U.S. news media handles such distortions, the Washington Post reported Romney's rendition of Obama's statement without context or contradiction. The willful distortion by Romney was allowed to flow unchecked into the public discourse.

If there is a purpose for "fact-checkers," it is for situations like this, where one candidate wrenches out of context a comment by another with the intention to mislead voters. It also is the responsibility of reporters and editors to supply context even in spot stories.

Blocking the Facts

Where "fact-checkers" are less useful - and indeed can be downright harmful - is on larger and more nuanced questions, such as the one about Romney's precise departure date from Bain Capital. In that case, Romney created confusion over when he left by signing a series of conflicting forms and making contradictory statements. [See Consortiumnews.com's "Romney's Fact-Checker Cover-up."]

However, the Annenberg Public Policy Center's FactCheck.org and the Washington Post's Glenn Kessler chose to accept Romney's latest assertion that he had nothing to do with Bain Capital after Feb. 11, 1999, when he left to work on the Winter Olympics.

FactCheck.org made a big point that Romney would have committed a felony if he lied on his campaign disclosure form, suggesting that the public should believe him because the potential penalty for filing a false statement would be so high.

FactCheck.org (and Kessler) stuck with that position even after the Obama campaign - and many journalists - brought forward dozens of Securities and Exchange Commission documents , including some signed by Romney, showing him to be Bain Capital's owner, chief executive officer, chairman and controlling person.

Despite the obvious contradictions - and the fact that is also a felony to make false statements to the SEC - the "independent fact-checkers" took the position that the Obama campaign must prove to near 100 percent certainty that Romney actually was continuing to direct Bain Capital's decisions after February 1999.

However, that evidence was beyond the reach of anyone outside of Romney's inner circle and his Bain Capital associates - and they were stonewalling requests for information like meeting minutes, phone-call records and recollections of Romney's post-1999 contacts. Romney himself rebuffed media inquiries for details about conversations he might have had with Bain executives.

Thus, by giving Romney a pass and simply accepting his current self-serving claim, the "fact-checkers" became accomplices to a cover-up. Citing these "independent fact-checkers," Romney stiffened his refusal to answer more questions or to provide more than his last two tax returns.

When I asked Kessler in an e-mail if he felt uncomfortable being used this way - a "fact-checker" being exploited to cover up facts - he responded by saying:

"I think you misunderstand my role. I vet political statements on a case by case basis, as do the other fact checkers. … In the case of Romney's departure from Bain, I have always maintained that 1999-2002 is a grey area. I have tended to say that transactions in which Romney was personally involved before 1999 are fair game, even if the bankruptcy (such as Ampad) came later. …

"Romney could certainly clear this up by releasing more information, but in the meantime the Obama campaign has not provided enough evidence to back up claims of Romney being personally involved in deals post-1999. The burden really is on them since they are making the charge."

Yet, the same point could be made about any investigation. You start out with some evidence, which - especially in the face of stonewalling - you can legitimately cite, even if there remain some unanswered questions. In this case, the Obama camp produced official Bain Capital filings with the SEC that contradicted Romney's current claims.

If you went back four decades and looked at the Washington Post's reporting on Watergate, you would see a similar pattern: President Richard Nixon and his White House insisted there was no cover-up while reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein kept uncovering contradictory pieces of evidence.

It wasn't until the end of the process - when Nixon was forced to disclose internal tapes - that the mystery was solved. Nixon was lying and the Post was vindicated.

However, if Kessler's standards had been applied, the earlier Post stories would have received four "Pinocchios" - for a "whooper" - because Woodward and Bernstein could not prove categorically a high-level White House cover-up. They had evidence pointing in that direction but it wasn't ironclad.

So, Kessler and his fellow "fact-checkers" might want to reexamine how they operate. If they don't consider themselves investigative reporters - but rather people who simply "vet political statements" - they should stick to a narrower set of parameters.

They certainly shouldn't jump into the middle of a complex investigation and begin denouncing the investigators for not knowing everything that might conceivably be known. That only guarantees that the public never gets the full story. However, they might take issue with some dishonest selective editing.



Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, "Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush," was written with two of his sons, Sam and Nat, and can be ordered at neckdeepbook.com. His two previous books, "Secrecy & Privilege: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq" and "Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth'" are also available there.

 

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+105 # Barbara K 2012-07-22 07:48
Yes, that is the style of this etch-a-sketch empty suit. He lies, he lies, he lies some more. He has made money off the backs of ordinary working Americans by sending their jobs out of the country and firing the workers of several countries. He hides his millions (billions?) in offshore accounts to avoid paying his share of taxes. He can't be honest about anything. He won't show his taxes because "people will find things to hurt him". Well, that is what we want to see, how he could be hurt by what is in his taxes is important. He wants us to just vote for him without knowing a single important thing about him. He has been hiding in his Ivory Tower all his life and knows nothing about what we ordinary citizens face day after day. Not what we want in a president.

Never vote republican, our future is at stake.
BUT DO GET OUT AND VOTE FOR THE GOOD OF US ALL, NOT THE PRIVILEGED FEW.
 
 
+34 # NanFan 2012-07-22 11:18
Someone who was an insider at Bain and knows the truth about Romney's uber-involvemen t needs to get some cajones and come forward with the truth.

This lying sack of junk needs to be seen as the felon he is, and he needs to be arrested for his lies. He needs to be stopped NOW.

If he is allowed to continue on and on and on with this bogus campaign to be president, AMERICA is to be blamed! The man and all who financially support him are criminals!

We had criminals in the White House under Bushco for eight years based on all that was hidden about W and his criminal activity prior to him being in office, and we all know the havoc his administration wreaked.

I won't even talk about Reagan's lies and cover ups prior to his election. George Bush, Sr... same deal... Nixon ... same deal.

Arrest this man! Someone of authority or in the know with actual facts, come clean, be unafraid now or the fear that will permeate America AFTER this man is put into office, if it happens -- and don't kid yourself, it CAN happen -- will be beyond your wildest imaginations.

Mitt loves only one thing: money. America and its people mean nothing, nothing, nothing to him.

He must be stopped!

N.
 
 
+23 # X Dane 2012-07-22 19:52
Nan Fan.

This Morning I was listening to Obama's former "Car Zar" (I forgot his name) He was on Fareed Zakaria's program. This gentleman explained, that more than likely Romney did not do anything ILLEGAL........ .But, he said, many big business people do SOME of what Romney does, because they legally CAN. But NOBODY does ALL THAT ROMNEY DOES....in other words Romney stretches the rubber band as FARas it will go ....without breaking.

And if we saw ALL that he legally did, we would be so DISGUSTED. because the cards are stacked AGAINST US and totally in his favor.....AND he takes EVERY SINGLE ADVANTAGE HE POSSIBLY CAN. He is as GREEDY as can be.

So all his BS about how much he loves America. is nothing but EMPTY WORDS. He will gladly fleece us and the country.
And stay.... JUST.....on the right side of the law.....

THAT IS HIS CRIME.....AND IT IS SICKENING, for he is nothing but an OPPORTUNISTIC HYPOCRITE
 
 
+4 # Old Man 2012-07-25 10:55
Quoting X Dane:
Nan Fan.

This Morning I was listening to Obama's former "Car Zar" (I forgot his name) He was on Fareed Zakaria's program. This gentleman explained, that more than likely Romney did not do anything ILLEGAL.........But, he said, many big business people do SOME of what Romney does, because they legally CAN. But NOBODY does ALL THAT ROMNEY DOES....in other words Romney stretches the rubber band as FARas it will go ....without breaking.

And if we saw ALL that he legally did, we would be so DISGUSTED. because the cards are stacked AGAINST US and totally in his favor.....AND he takes EVERY SINGLE ADVANTAGE HE POSSIBLY CAN. He is as GREEDY as can be.

So all his BS about how much he loves America. is nothing but EMPTY WORDS. He will gladly fleece us and the country.
And stay.... JUST.....on the right side of the law.....

THAT IS HIS CRIME.....AND IT IS SICKENING, for he is nothing but an OPPORTUNISTIC HYPOCRITE

X, I think it's called the "PINK EDGE of the REDLINE".
 
 
+20 # doneasley 2012-07-23 12:13
It seems pretty simple to me, NanFan. If Romney signed ANY Bain documents and received income after the time he took over the Winter Olympics, then he's liable for the Bain operation, whether he was actually there or not. If Bain had committed a crime, he certainly would've been liable. By the way, did you see the Ann Romney interview with Robin Roberts where she referred to the rest of us as "YOU PEOPLE"? "We have given you people all you need to know.", she said. She also talked about how generous Mitt is to his church. Many people are generous to THEIR charities and their family and friends, but "you people" will never get inside that circle. As an example, the evil Dick Cheney is generous with his family, immediate friends, and his GOP inner circle, but you will never meet a nastier person.

Mr. & Mrs. Mitt are looking at the presidency as the cherry atop the Romney cake. As long as he can hear "President Romney" and she can be called the "First Lady" for the next 4 years, they will be as happy as 2 pigs in slop. He will sign any extreme legislation that comes his way. As you know he has signed onto the Ryan budget which guts the social safety net and funnels more money to the rich. He has absolutely NO core values and will be led by a Right Wing Crazy leash throughout his presidency. Would you believe "Bush on Steroids"?

He must be stopped!
 
 
+5 # NanFan 2012-07-25 13:19
Romney has committed a criminal offense if he lied to the SEC! That is a felony, and if someone who's in the know, at Bain, has any documentation that that was true, then, s/he should come forward and STOP this charade of "running for president."

If he is arrested and found to be a felon, he cannot be president.

Someone needs to stop this rabid person now!

N.
 
 
+51 # angelfish 2012-07-22 08:27
Yes, "There he goes again" as his "god" and Mentor, Ronald Reagan, would say. You'd think that Romney might give half a poop about lying to the American people BEFORE the Election! God knows he'll be telling Whoppers if elected! This man is seriously delusional if he thinks most of us buy any of his tainted Bull-Puckey. He has "Flip-flopped" so many times I don't think even HE knows the difference between fact and fiction! Sadder still, I don't think he CARES! Neither, apparently, do his handlers since they let him run off at the mouth like Bachmann half the time. Never, EVER vote ReTHUGlican! The People, UNITED, will NEVER be defeated! What are you hiding Willard? How can we trust a person who won't/can't tell the simple truth about his finances? Your business has made you a Multi-Millionai re. WHY won't you come clean? Have you lied to your Mormon Church and NOT REALLY tithed as you should? That's a mighty HEFTY sum to give it EVERY year, isn't it? You Betcha!
 
 
+43 # CoyoteMan50 2012-07-22 08:39
He's another Ronnie Raygun. Republicans always want to go back to the good old days of the 15th Century.
lol
 
 
+49 # bingers 2012-07-22 08:41
I've been waiting for years to hear Romney tell the truth about ANYTHING. It still hasn't happened.
 
 
+25 # AMLLLLL 2012-07-22 08:43
Romney is such a bimbo as to believe everything his campaign says to put out there. My guess is that they handed him an edited version and he went with it. At least it's easy to fact check, unlike his time at Bain.
 
 
+28 # annbromm 2012-07-22 08:46
I've just finished Stieg Larsson's Salander trilogy which shows just how much lying and cover up can go on in the corridors of power. It's very familiar, probably easier to uncover in a smaller country. There are too many people who benefit from the way things are in the good ol' USA.
 
 
+33 # rcossebo 2012-07-22 08:48
When are people going to hold these peoples feet to the fire? Something has GOT to be done about them!
It's been said that the TRUTH will set you FREE, but when you have JERKS like the Right Wing, FOX, and ROMNEY controlling things that will never happen unless they get put in their place and lose a lot of the MOOLAH they so idolize! Didn't a great person (GOD) say that we should have no IDOLS before HIM??? Seems to me that the Christian Right is so very Non-Christian Wrong; they seem to be walking the path of the DARK LORD and not the PATH OF LIGHT AND LOVE! Greed is one of the DEADLY SINS, I think they'll all meet in HELL, no matter what South Park says about Mormon's!
 
 
+11 # mdhome 2012-07-22 15:48
I don't know what south park said about the Mormons. I wish there was a hell for FAUX, RoMoney and Rush and their lying cheats to go to.
 
 
+46 # Tazio 2012-07-22 08:52
This is the second major Romney ad campaign to be based entirely on misquoting the President by taking his remarks out of context. A clear form of lying by omission and unacceptable in any formal debate. It's like claiming that the Bible says,"...kill." or "...commit adultery."

Amazing to watch such large large piles of Adelson's overseas gambling profits being wagered so foolishly.
 
 
+4 # mdhome 2012-07-22 15:53
It's like claiming that the Bible says,"...kill." or "...commit adultery."

Ayup, ain't that the truth. I knew the bible was advocating killing and adultery.
 
 
+14 # suzyskier 2012-07-22 08:53
Thanks Barbara K, your comments are always right on track.
 
 
+14 # jwb110 2012-07-22 08:58
If this guy is elected, everyone of his cabinet members will have to be a proctologist.
 
 
+5 # NanFan 2012-07-22 15:55
Quoting jwb110:
If this guy is elected, everyone of his cabinet members will have to be a proctologist.


No, they'll be criminals of the worst kind!
 
 
+34 # soularddave 2012-07-22 09:04
Seems like a pattern for the rethuglicans. As Cheney once remarked, "we create our own reality".
If there's little need to stick to the truth, then there's little reason to understand how the 99% are affected by the decisions and actions of the 1%.

Unfortunately their practice has served them well and they've taken over the country. No they're using us to take over the World.
 
 
-75 # fhunter 2012-07-22 09:22
"If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Unfortunately, 4 years ago we have overestimated the intellect of Mr. Obama. Unfortunately, the Romney group has all the right and reason to give him hell for this statement.
 
 
+47 # Todd Williams 2012-07-22 10:39
Apparently fhunter didn't even read the article! My God, are these rightwingers insane?
 
 
+43 # JCM 2012-07-22 11:02
Totally taken out of context. Obama was saying that the business owner didn't build the highways and infrastructure not that he didn't build his own business. If you listen to Fox you are not getting the truth.
 
 
+32 # Regina 2012-07-22 11:12
It wasn't a statement! It was selected pieces of a statement, deliberately selected to give a reverse impression of the REAL statement. In other words, bilge!!
 
 
+24 # oldibtgdy 2012-07-22 12:05
Nope. Yer wrong. He said something quite different than that and you know it. Just like the first rove ad that took a McCann quote and attributed it to the pres. Knowingly misrepresenting the truth to promote your own agenda is a lie.
 
 
+8 # freeportguy 2012-07-22 19:47
"You people"...
 
 
-62 # kwiac1 2012-07-22 09:42
When are you dips gonna finally get the idea? First comes business then income then jobs then taxes which gets distributed for infrastructure, defense and social programs. In the words of a leading democrat(whom I used to despise, but now would welcome back) KISS. It's the economy, stupid. You people seem to line up to cast vileness at anyone who doesn't support your ...I'll not go there.
 
 
+11 # ruttaro 2012-07-24 04:48
Following your logic, then roads, depots, airports, i.e. public goods, don't come into existence until businesses are up and running. Well, a little review of American history might illuminate and inform the illogic of your proposition. Early on in the Republic's infancy, the supply of roads, for example, was left to the private sector, especially between towns and cities. They were known as toll roads and for the most part were ill maintained and of course unregulated. Even when goods were transported over the roads the amount was minuscule and commerce was mostly very local. Then something took hold. The idea that the government should supply routes for transportation of goods, services and people. One of the first was canals - the Erie for example - opening up the midwest to trade. Roads followed and - long story short - the U.S commerce thrived. So I guess the right wing would like to tell a different history but let's be logical. The collective goods problem is the result of free riding and every rational economic actor will free ride unless forced to contribute to supplying a collective (public) good. Taxes provide the revenue to hire private companies to build the roads, ports, etc, so business can grow and then increase jobs which increase revenue so government can supply more public goods. No business will expand without an associated expansion in demand. Without public goods, businesses would remain local and small. That's the tradeoff.
 
 
-51 # Fungib3 2012-07-22 10:00
I'm sorry. What a stupid statement for anyone that has never owned a business to make. The same people that use the infrastructure are the same businesses that are paying the taxes. Have any of you intelligent people heard of the excise tax on motor vehicles or income taxes. It's a shame that more of our professors, politicians, and news writers don't expose themselves to what small business has to pay to exist. The small business that no one seems to be able to define. That's because they don't have a clue who they are. Many are using the Internet and are paying taxes on what they earn. Small business owners also employ the bulk of the Nations workforce. Guess my only exposure is having been a CPA that works with those people for the last 40+ years. What do I know?
 
 
+40 # oldibtgdy 2012-07-22 12:00
We all pay for the roads that carry our goods. I get the profits for the goods I sell. The more I profit, the more I benefit from the community investment -- and the more I should expect to pay for the privilege. Get it?
 
 
+14 # JCM 2012-07-22 16:48
Way to go! Thanks!
 
 
+8 # edwin_ 2012-07-22 19:13
I don't think the're getting it
 
 
+13 # edwin_ 2012-07-22 19:25
funguy , let me explain ..romney removes the part of the presidents qoute where he says that the gov't created roads & infrstructure. This takes the presidents quote out of context. implying that the president said that business people did not creat business. Well the next campain stop romney says that the gov't DOES created roads & infrstructure.. GET IT NOW??? Maybe I'm wasting my time --Read the article please
 
 
+15 # Feral Dogz 2012-07-23 09:53
Quoting Fungib3:
I'm sorry. What a stupid statement for anyone that has never owned a business to make. The same people that use the infrastructure are the same businesses that are paying the taxes. Have any of you intelligent people heard of the excise tax on motor vehicles or income taxes. It's a shame that more of our professors, politicians, and news writers don't expose themselves to what small business has to pay to exist. The small business that no one seems to be able to define. That's because they don't have a clue who they are. Many are using the Internet and are paying taxes on what they earn. Small business owners also employ the bulk of the Nations workforce. Guess my only exposure is having been a CPA that works with those people for the last 40+ years. What do I know?


What you don't get is that Big Business (the GOP) rigs the system so small businesses (who aspire to be big, so they back the GOP) pick up the tab and suffer under regulations while the big boys bribe the regulators to keep them at bay. The regulators stay busy and justify their existence by beating up on the little guys. The GOP blames big govt. while they scoop the up the profits and bleed the nation white with wars, off-shore labor and secret foreign bank accounts. But I guess you don't know about any of that.
 
 
-44 # Fungib3 2012-07-22 10:04
Thanks fhunter for your comment. The Romney group as well as the Obama are clueless who pays for anything. Its my guess that either side cares.
 
 
+26 # oldibtgdy 2012-07-22 11:57
The SEC filings are more than sufficient to establish mutt's involvement with Baine subsequent to 1999. Rather than looking for a "smoking gun" in the form of an incriminating document only available from the source (subpoena aside, you ain't gonna get it) -- ask the question from the opposite perspective. Had the firm been sued, who'd have been named as the respondent? Why, that would've been mutt, right? Then he was in charge, baby --- and he lied about it.
 
 
-17 # Fungib3 2012-07-22 12:02
Fhunter and kwiac1
Looks like the far left or right as it may seem as well as the uninformed are against us. I suggest that we take our businesses and move them to another country or join those living off the Government tit. I don't disagree that The Romney group is full of it, but so is the other side.
It's really hard for politicians to tell the truth when they are pressured and influenced by major donors through PAC's supported by Unions, Lawyers, and major Corporations.
 
 
+13 # freeportguy 2012-07-22 19:50
Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

Truth is: you are not gong anywhere! If there was more money to be made elsewhere, you'd already be there! You're in the US cause there is NO better place for you to do business, same as when Clinton raised taxes.
 
 
+6 # ABen 2012-07-24 03:38
Please do so as soon as possible, and let us know how that works out for you in Somalia.
 
 
+15 # Ray Kondrasuk 2012-07-22 12:06
I invite the businessman who "build it all himself" (remember Joe the Plumber?) to start a new enterprise by parachuting into the mountainous hinterlands of... say... Borneo with a million in cash in his back pack. No roads, no communications, no banking system, no educated potential workers. Hand out the bundles of Franklins; the natives will amusingly use them for kindling or hygiene.
 
 
+37 # Working Class 2012-07-22 12:23
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

- Joseph Goebbels

What we need is a critical press that calls bull on this type of campaigning. Problem is that would have a negative efffect the money from corporate ads.
 
 
+18 # veggiebabe 2012-07-22 14:16
His campaign knows he cannot be elected on merit or the truth. He also thinks the YOU PEOPLE, meaning us, are too dumb to get it but, I think he will find out that is not true. He thinks he is too rich, too entitled, and way too arrogant to get caught lying. His retroactive resignation from Bain will not hold up. He is scum, the Regressionist Party is scum, and so are the Regressionist voters!
 
 
+8 # spenel334 2012-07-22 19:28
How about this one for Romney's character: Romney,in a recent speech/campaign forum, said that Obama has a 'secret agenda'. In today's Boston Globe, an article discussed 4 points Obama's detractors are planning to promote about Obama: a. A Muslim America b. land seizures c. outlaw guns d.rebrand 9/11 as a holiday to celebrate ethanol,carbon emission controls, and radical community organizing. Thus Romney's timely mention of a non-existent 'secret agaenda' is no accident. He wouldn't dare, at least not yet, accuse Obama outright, but rather chooses a more slimy way to support blatant, not to mention bizarre lies.
 
 
+11 # Art947 2012-07-22 19:59
It is a shame that the Washington post has degenerated as far as it has. To think that a "fact-checker", i.e. Glenn Kessler, doesn't believe that it is his job to check the facts is reprehensible. Is it any wonder that this newspaper has joined many others in America and will probably soon be history?
 
 
+12 # MindDoc 2012-07-22 20:23
Bravo, this so clearly documents what some of us have witnessed, in interviews with Kessler and factcheck.org in particular. And of course the deception and spin.

IMHO, Parry really hit the bull's eye (sic) in both describing the double standard imposed by 'independent' fact checkers, even as their benefactor (in this case Romney) has been caught with the cherry pie on his face.

The analogy to Watergate and the role of the press is spot-on. Couldn't be clearer... Great summary of 'where we are' in terms of what is "fact" and what is "fair" reportage.
 
 
+10 # granny6 2012-07-23 06:20
Looks like we all have a lot of work to do exposing Romney. I feel he is in the 7th grade mode. Bullying to get his own way, has no regard for others and when questioned laughs that mirthless laugh to intimidate people by making it look like they are stupid for saying what they did.
 
 
+7 # MylesJ 2012-07-23 10:15
Question for Mitt, the self made man. How did you conceive, gestate and deliver yourself before you had a corporeal presence?
 
 
+10 # medusa 2012-07-23 13:46
When we list the infrastructure that makes business possible, we shouldn't forget the rule of law; domestic tranquillity; honest police; freedom of the press; dependable social order, from traffic to the US Mail--only the ignorant or ungrateful can talk about "doing it all myself" or saying that "government is the problem." Roads and bridges are the easy part.
 
 
-4 # cypress72 2012-07-25 12:17
The fact of the matter is that Government doesn't build anything without our tax dollars, they just allocate resources. Private developers who build homes also build many access roads and bridges and other infrastructure at their own expense so all infrastructure is not the result of a Government project.
 

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