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Cole writes: "Two congressmen are attempting to insert a provision in the National Defense Authorization Act that would allow the Department of Defense to subject the US domestic public to propaganda."

A bipartisan amendment introduced by Rep. Mac Thornberry and Rep. Adam Smith would allow the Department of Defense to utilize propaganda. (image: Telegraph UK)
A bipartisan amendment introduced by Rep. Mac Thornberry and Rep. Adam Smith would allow the Department of Defense to utilize propaganda. (image: Telegraph UK)



The Creeping Fascism of American Politics

By Juan Cole, Informed Comment

20 May 12

 

wo congressmen are attempting to insert a provision in the National Defense Authorization act that would allow the Department of Defense to subject the US domestic public to propaganda. The bipartisan amendment was introduced by Rep. Mac Thornberry from Texas and Rep. Adam Smith from Washington State.

Nothing speaks more urgently to the creeping fascism of American politics than the assertion by our representatives, who apparently have never read a book on Germany in the 1930s-1940s or on the Soviet Union in the Stalin period, that forbidding DoD and the State Department from subjecting us to government propaganda "ties the hands of America's diplomatic officials, military, and others by inhibiting our ability to effectively communicate in a credible way." And mind you, they want to use our own money to wash our brains!

As Will Rogers observed, "This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer."

I love our guys and gals in uniform, but they can be extremely obnoxious in any discussion about US government policy that 'gets off point' or 'doesn't serve the mission.' At Washington think tank events, I've seen them repeatedly close down discussions among e.g. State Department foreign service officers. You don't want most of the DoD types providing information to us, because it won't be in any way balanced.

Of course, having a Pentagon propaganda unit at all is highly anti-democratic. The best defense of the truth is a free press. It should also be remembered that nowadays everything in Washington is outsourced, so government propaganda is often being turned over to Booz Allen or the American Enterprise Institute, which have a rightwing bias.

Doing propaganda abroad has the difficulty that it doesn't stay abroad. False articles placed in the Arabic press in Iraq were translated into English by wire services, who got stung.

Then, another problem is that the Defense Intelligence Agency analysts *also* read the false articles placed in the Arabic press by *another* Pentagon office, which they did not know about. So the analysts were passing up to the White House false information provided by their own colleagues!

I was told by an insider that one reason Washington analysts often read my blog in the Bush years was that I had a reputation for having an accurate bull crap meter, and thus my judgments on what was likely to be true helped them fight the tendency to believe our own propaganda!

Not only should this amendment be gotten rid of quick, but their constituents should please vote out of office Reps. Thornberry and Smith next November.

 

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+142 # pernsey 2012-05-20 13:10
This sounds like an all out war on information. I got a pretty good BS meter too, and this stinks to high heaven. It doesnt surprise me at all this is coming from the GOP. Fox News is the biggest propaganda machine they got going, they are just trying to add more lies to whaty they all ready shovel forth to the general public. This scarey because the lines of truth and BS will become more blurred as the people not smart enough to think for themselves will lap it up like hungry puppies, and talk about it like its the truth.
 
 
+57 # Barbara K 2012-05-21 03:56
pernsey: I'm with you. The GOP won't be happy until there is nothing left that is true, so we might as well stop listening. If the GOP wants war in Iran, send them to fight it and leave our kids alone, they've been thru enough. So have we.
Kick all the Republicans out of our governments, State and Local too, that is where they are just as bad.
 
 
+27 # John Locke 2012-05-21 06:32
This is nothing new, we have been receiving propaganda from "our" government sources and their media allies for over 100 years now...why is this a surprise?

The best defense to this is not to buy into any "news" except what we can obtain from foreign media.
 
 
+13 # goodsensecynic 2012-05-21 09:09
Don't be so hard on Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert (never mind the occasional wisdom of Bill Moyers). Granted they can't be overly critical and are also part of the corporate structure (serving as semi-offician "fooles" at the Court); but, they at least highlight some of the more egregious calumnies of their official competitors.

Or, maybe Steward and O'Reilley are just the good cop/bad cop of the media? Hmmm. Scary thought!
 
 
+5 # John Locke 2012-05-21 17:09
goodsensecynic Sorry I forgot Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert they do give us real news!
 
 
+41 # RLF 2012-05-21 05:06
I believe Adam Smith is a Democrat and certainly the guy that signed it into law is! The military has nothing to do with fighting for freedom like they like to boast about and get paid for...they now fight for the rich and corporate control of our country...and christian control of our country...the military is stupid and should be kept as far from any control of this country as possible!
 
 
-54 # Martintfre 2012-05-21 07:11
wierd - the article was talking about GOVERNMENT controlling the media and the vast majority of shallow liberal whiners totally missed the point that FASCISM IS BIG BROTHER GOVERNMENT and jumped on private enterprise as the source of fascism -- proof of the total failure of our education system -- we are a nation of morons.
 
 
+32 # rockieball 2012-05-21 08:36
From a man who knew.
"Fascism should more appropriately be called CORPORATISM, because it is a merger of STATE and CORPORATE power."
Benito Mussolini...
So guess private enterprise is the source of fascism. But then again when that fails they call Liberal's communist.
 
 
-21 # Martintfre 2012-05-21 09:22
Exactly where will your fascism (Corporatism works even better) be with out Big Brother government caring,feeding and protecting various 'private' companies that have favor with low people in high government places?
 
 
+18 # Cassandra2012 2012-05-21 09:23
Quoting Martintfre:
wierd - the article was talking about GOVERNMENT controlling the media and the vast majority of shallow liberal whiners totally missed the point that FASCISM IS BIG BROTHER GOVERNMENT and jumped on private enterprise as the source of fascism -- proof of the total failure of our education system -- we are a nation of morons.


"Fascism should rather be called corporatism, as it is the merging of government and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini
 
 
+7 # byard pidgeon 2012-05-21 20:27
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, for it is the merger of government and business interests"...Be nito Mussolini.
 
 
+23 # Feral Dogz 2012-05-21 09:03
I love how the term "fact based journalism" is redundant, oxymoronic and ironic all at the same time.
 
 
+73 # universlman 2012-05-20 13:13
Right wing "think tank" is a poor description based on what they always seem to come up with.
 
 
+34 # harbormon 2012-05-21 06:13
"Right wing think tank"...surely there is no better example of an oxymoron that that simple expression...
 
 
+85 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-20 13:24
Government has been propagandizing Americans for decades now; making it 'officially legal' only makes it worse.

I think this has all gone past the tipping point, with no way back -- leaving only popular uprising and installing a new system altogether. The issue, then, is what sort of system, and how can people minimize the misery in the process. How soon can a shadow government and alternative society be put up and running?
 
 
+56 # maddave 2012-05-20 20:38
Amen, Bro! If this is "creeping fascism", God save us from a rampant avalanche!

Lets say that this bill passes and propagandizing of the American Public is legitimatized-- -like torture of state enemies was by Bush---just who will set the policy, tenor and slant of the lies? Will it be a reincarnation of Hitler's propagandist Joseph Gobbles? If not, why not?
 
 
+22 # Texas Aggie 2012-05-21 03:35
That was my first thought, too. If fascism in the US were a horse, it would win the triple crown in a breeze.
 
 
+23 # John Locke 2012-05-21 06:36
This has been in the works since the 1930 when JP Morgan attempted to over through the constitutional government of the US and to change us to a fascist system of governance.

The one percent do not like a democracy! They want control of the government

bluepilgrim I fear you are right,
 
 
+59 # teachnet 2012-05-20 13:42
The insertion of such a provision is propaganda itself: It's reassuring the public that propaganda doesn't already exist, because it isn't legal.
 
 
+55 # dbrown 2012-05-20 19:46
How could anyone think we aren't *already* being fed a tremendous amount of propaganda!? Pretty much the sole remaining purpose of the mainstream media is to force-feed us whatever horse-dooky–lac ed pablum the government hands them.
 
 
+26 # Texas Aggie 2012-05-21 03:41
This weekend I was in a hotel in Africa that had Al Jazeera as the news canal. It was the first time I had actually seen it, and it beats CNN and the BBC hands down. The topics that they cover tend to be those that the Powers That Be would prefer that the hoi polloi not know about, so unlike the corporate media of the US. And their reporting is based on people on the ground, not on some government news dispatch that they then copy. An indication of the extent of their professionalism , compared to a certain well-known broadcasting channel in the US, is that their female announcers and their female weather reporters are not in states of partial undress.
 
 
+3 # Elusive Pimpernel 2012-05-21 07:05
Aggie, I watched al Jazeera when the Egyptian revolution was happening last year, and I agree with you about their reporting being more truthful than American media.

However, there is a flip side to this positive observation, and that is, Al Jazeera also slants news against Israel with regularity. Not that I think Israel does not need to be criticized, but Al Jazeera reports lies by local Imams who constantly make false claims about Israel and the US, and they air it in all the Muslim countries with regularity as you noted it was in Africa.

Although I would categorize Al Jazeera as leaning towards more openness in reporting, it does have bias, and that makes their reporting ethics questionable.
 
 
+3 # Guy 2012-05-21 09:43
Yes I would agree that Al Jazeera has a different way of reporting and most of it is from "on the ground" reporting.I once thought that they were the best.That is until the invasion of Libya.Al Jazeera was very instrumental in supplying us all the lies that led to and ended up destroying that country.I believe that they are headquartered out of Qatar which very much hated Gaddafi.
There were few realistic reports of what happened there and it was all a smokescreen. Yes I know that Gaddafi had few friends,that is why the world at large wanted him to go down,what with all the propaganda beamed at us 24/7. You could start doing some research with what Cynthia McKinney reported after her trip to Libya.
 
 
+10 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 11:13
Al Jaz has or had some good journalists -- and there has been a revolt of sorts among them recently, but the Qatari government has taken control rather directly now, and there was some change in management before that to make it more sympathetic with the empire -- maybe a year ago? --- I'd have to look it up.

AJ, and the west/Arab gang is also mounting an immense propaganda campaign against Syria and Assad (not they are wonderful, of course). One needs to get into the politics and such of the Middle East to get some idea of the rivalries and factions there, which is extremely complicated.

A lot of people think thay undesrstand US politic, when they don't, but Middle Eastern politics is maybe ten times more difficult, and they have been practicing it for thousands of years -- yet the American media portrays it as if it was simple or primitive (which suits their purposes of propaganda).
 
 
+4 # Guy 2012-05-21 12:25
I believe you have a good grasp of what is going on bluepilgrim.
 
 
+40 # charsjcca 2012-05-20 19:49
There is no such thing as balance when government begins to orchestrate charades.
Government should be the subject not the tyrant. At one time they were bureacrats.
Now they are technocrats who use information to persuade the misled that their actions are necessary for the sake of the targets. What happened in the DoD regarding the American Psychology Association is all you need to know. You will be declared mentally incompetent if you protest and they will be in Court testifying as expert witnesses to validate their pre-set conclusions.
 
 
+50 # Pondering and Pandering 2012-05-20 20:02
If the survival of the United States as a Republic and democracy depends on propaganda it deafeats the entire idea of Republican government. This legislation is redundant as we already have Fox News!
 
 
-3 # John Locke 2012-05-21 06:38
Both the right and the left use propaganda!
 
 
+27 # engelbach 2012-05-21 07:24
What "left" is that?

All I see in the government is centrists and rightists, except for Bernie Sanders.
 
 
+2 # ghostperson 2012-05-21 12:56
Yeah.
 
 
+1 # John Locke 2012-05-21 17:11
Would you prefer I use the term Liberal and conservative? as apposed to right and left?
 
 
+2 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-22 09:28
Personally, I would. I don't think liberal is the left; liberal is generally and traditionally big on free trade, commercialism and business, and capitalism -- and especially it's morph into neoliberalism (it's evil twin brother). That's how David Harvey referes to liberal in his classes on 'Reading Capitalism' (available on Vimeo).

Social liberals also have a tendency to run over individual rights and pass laws to protect people from themselves (we see that in anti-smoking laws), which I haven't seen from most socialists.
 
 
+20 # mervie 2012-05-20 20:04
Thanks for the warning, but a tad late, wouldn't you say? not your fault. you probably weren't around when this all started. those two congress people are just dumb. they don't let sleeping dogs lie.
 
 
+45 # DHa7763100 2012-05-20 20:15
It's about time somebody started talking about facism. I have been touting that for 1 year.
Fascism in the US is real, it's hear and we have to stop it in it's tracks. They think we are too stupid to realize. But , folks, get it in gear, we have to put a stop to is, as was warned by a previous President...it will creep in when you are not looking...we must be diligent.
 
 
+4 # DHa7763100 2012-05-20 20:16
how long does it take before my response is shown????


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+42 # giraffee2012 2012-05-20 20:17
Vote Dem in all areas of USA - support Bernie Sanders' "motion/bill" to overturn Citizens' United' "person hood" who sponsors all these puppets of the Koch brothers.

Until I can marry a corporation and have a family with one = no pre-nup and then divorce one... a corp ain't no person.
 
 
+60 # Dumbledorf 2012-05-20 20:23
THIS IS UTTER NONSENSE!

WE'VE ALREADY BEEN SUBJECTED TO ROUND-THE-CLOCK -PROPAGANDA SINCE BUSH/CHENEY WERE APPOINTED BY SCOTUS IN 2000!

THAT'S ALL WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN FOR NIGH UNTO 12+ YEARS, MAYBE FAR LONGER.

NO TRUTH, NO RESPECT FOR THE FACTS. NO REAL INTELLIGENCE. JUST NON-STOP, MIND BLOWING PROPAGANDA AND LIES BY THIS GOVERNMENT. WAKE-THE-HECK-U P EVERYONE!
 
 
+23 # Bill Clements 2012-05-20 20:37
Please stop screaming; none of us are deaf or hard of hearing.
 
 
+5 # Elusive Pimpernel 2012-05-21 04:50
Our subjugation to propaganda has been longer than the Bush era. One only need to read Dwight Eisenhower's last official speech in office as well as John F. Kennedy's speech when he said "No official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news"

We have been incrementally brainwashed through the media, advertising, entertainment, and lying politicians. I say incrementally because that is a typical MO for the elite known as the Illuminati.

Oh, and I agree with the comment made by the poster using the moniker of "Bill Clements", your post is way too loud, we are not all failing in sight.
 
 
-30 # Yakpsyche 2012-05-20 20:29
It not what you think it is, folks. Just relax. Don't get excited. This is nothing new. We've been subjected to propoganda for a long time. this is simply a legal technicality. Make it legal. That's all. These representatives are to be admired. They're going the extra mile to put a "legal" stamp onto what's being done already. They're demonstrating good morality. Best practices, and all.

You want to get outraged about the existence of propaganda and how your govt is using your dollars to do this to you? Huh? Great! Get outraged, but not at these two trusty dudes.. They're doing the right thing. Its their PREDECESSORS and their superiors at whom you need to get outraged.

These two reps are just doing the grunt work. Make it legal. Then no one can get upset later on. No cumpunctions and all, hey! Its legal now you know..........
 
 
+11 # Granny Weatherwax 2012-05-21 05:11
No - if the predecessors and superiors (who's that, by the way? The people who paid for their election?) did somethign wrong, that wrong needs to be righted.
Making it legal not only prohibits righting the wrong but also ensures there will be more of it.
Again, legal does not mean right, just or moral.
 
 
+22 # Rich Austin 2012-05-20 20:42
Alert to Washingtonians and Texans, particularly those [respectively] in Washington’s Ninth Congressional District and in the 13th CD in Texas : Tell Smith and Thornberry their jobs are on the line! (Who the hell do they think they are?)
 
 
+21 # railroadmike 2012-05-20 20:45
Will Rogers. "I dont write the jokes, I just watch the government and report the facts". Just turn to FOX NOISE that would save money from putting it in the bill.
 
 
+25 # cordleycoit 2012-05-20 21:06
It's not a question of balance it's a question of telling the truth. Congress is a pack of lying incompetents only a couple of them seem to have common sense. The Rethugs are the most idiotic but Dems run a close second. They hate the people, they fear the people,the rob the people are they human? Every week they try and steal another right from the people they represent.
 
 
+52 # reiverpacific 2012-05-20 21:08
I would put it's present stage as "Galloping" Fascism rather than "Creeping"! feels more and more like Franco's Spain.
Pity that our fathers and Grandfathers fought, bled and died fighting this very thing, sent out by the self-same forces that now look to perpetrate war in Iran and anywhere else they can get a foothold as long as they and theirs don't have to do the physical, dirty, de-humanizing work!
 
 
+19 # 666 2012-05-21 03:45
agreed 100% It's a tsunami of fascism

I also differ with the author when he writes "Nothing speaks more urgently to the creeping fascism of American politics than the assertion by our representatives , who apparently have never read a book on Germany in the 1930s-1940s or on the Soviet Union in the Stalin period"

-- I think the point is that they've read EVERY book on it, and they're trying to emulate it without making the same mistakes. The only "sustainability " the GOP is worried about is "sustainable authoritarianis m". Hitler, Stalin, North Korea give these idiots a hard-on for what we could have here in this country with a little bit of work, a lot of propaganda, and some god-fearing thugs to keep the masses & brainiacs in their places.
 
 
+13 # Elusive Pimpernel 2012-05-21 07:16
You are very right, the folks changing our rights and limiting our freedoms are very well versed in the art of propaganda and tyranny. Their lessons were not only from Nazi Germany, but also Stalinist Russia as well as Mao's China. All the laws America used as an objection to over the years, have slowly crept into our society.

Read the Patriot Act, and find similarities to the processes used in Germany and Communist countries to subjugate the population while misinforming them ala Joseph Goebbles.
 
 
+6 # ghostperson 2012-05-21 13:00
Query? Why do most of the fascists have no chins? Rove, Limbaugh, Beck, Norquist? Is fascism genetic?
 
 
+1 # ghostperson 2012-05-21 12:58
Actually, it dun arrived.
 
 
+16 # freeportguy 2012-05-20 21:44
We saw the "good" that came out of the propaganda that following Pat Tillman's "heroic death" and Jessica Lynch's "fight and escape".

While we love the military, please let's not go back there.

What I'd like to know is this: on who's "orders" are Thornberry and Smith submitting this, because they're obviously actug as henchmen doing someone else's dirty work here... Who profits from this?
 
 
+15 # Chuck H. 2012-05-20 22:10
I was in high school during WWII and experienced the propaganda put out by both sides. It appears that history is repeating itself once again. When will we ever learn? I agree that we are experiencing a similar thing that happened to the Germans in the '30s. The horrible propaganda we are being showered with today is righgt out of Goering's playbook.
 
 
+13 # tm7devils 2012-05-20 23:28
Free Press? FREE PRESS?? The term has become an oxymoron - for at least the last 30/40 years.
In print, radio and TV most of the information flow has been taken over by conglomerates owned mostly by right wing ideologues with their own agenda.
The dearth of unspun, factual and honest reporting(not even counting what's not reported at all) undercuts what is left of what is laughably called 'democracy' in this country.
It's a sorry state of affairs when we need a "Snopes" to check the veracity and usefulness of that which is proffered by our media.
It is evident that the cost of our "free press" is more than we can afford.
 
 
0 # CandH 2012-05-23 21:14
The "free press" hasn't been around for quite sometime. The 4-part series by the BBC, called "The Century of the Self" documents the birth of "public relations" (ie Propaganda) by Edward Bernays, based on his Uncle Freud's work profiling the human subconscious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhxfArTAcfM

And Operation Mockingbird was a CIA program in the 50s (and the 60s, 70s, 80s....) to influence the MSM, with embedded agency assets and using Bernays propaganda techniques in their efforts.
 
 
+14 # seeuingoa 2012-05-21 00:42
F.D.Roosevelt in a message to congress
in 1938:

"The liberty of a democracy is in
danger if the people tolerate the growth
of private power...

(Corporations,Adelson/Maher, AIPAC)

...to a point where it becomes stronger
than the democratic state itself.
That, in its essence is fascism."


Please google Naomi Wolf: 10 steps
towards fascism.
 
 
-18 # Martintfre 2012-05-21 07:06
//The liberty of a democracy is in
danger if the people tolerate the growth
of private power...

//


And the growth of government power is better?
 
 
+15 # reiverpacific 2012-05-21 10:12
Quoting Martintfre:
//The liberty of a democracy is in
danger if the people tolerate the growth
of private power...
And the growth of government power is better?


Will you Libertarians ever get the fact that the ONE IS INSEPARABLE FROM THE OTHER in this country now!
This is the very DEFINITION of Fascism as set forth by "Il Duce" Benito Mussolini and subsequently embraced by Hitler, Franco, The Dulles Brothers, Stroessner, Rhodes the Boers, Suharto and a whole cabal of worldwide and subsequent US administrations , accelerated since Reagan.
I recognize that Stalin's Russia was the similarly totalitarian and bloody but was begun at the grass roots against the inherited absolutism of the Royal families -like the the original intent of the US but leading to the subsequent rise of the robber-barons and repression of labor and the newly available immigrant population (whom they pitted against each other and kept under-educated, the better to manipulate them) that they're now trying to get rid or have control of but who are an now evolving majorities.
Both ends become out of control when the ego(s) of one or a few groups of power-hungry individuals replace ideology with dictation of terms to the many and have swollen militaries, total sway over their legislators and judiciary as puppet-members of exclusive clubs of lock-stepping and bribed conformists.
Sound familiar or relative yet?
Democracy where?
 
 
-12 # Martintfre 2012-05-21 12:57
//Will you Libertarians ever get the fact that the ONE IS INSEPARABLE FROM THE OTHER in this country now!//

False premise:
Government has a legitimate role of protecting person and property.

There is no need for government to grow massively or at all once those fundamentals are taken care of.

and more often then not it is government that grows massively and like a parasite that turns into predator who eventually kills the host.
 
 
+5 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 15:45
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

Section 8, US Constitution
 
 
+4 # reiverpacific 2012-05-21 16:09
Quoting Martintfre:
//Will you Libertarians ever get the fact that the ONE IS INSEPARABLE FROM THE OTHER in this country now!//

False premise:
Government has a legitimate role of protecting person and property.
There is no need for government to grow massively or at all once those fundamentals are taken care of.

and more often then not it is government that grows massively and like a parasite that turns into predator who eventually kills the host.


I give up in trying to make any point here, against an obvious concrete-like block of intractability.
I can't and won't debate the immovable and entrenched.
I tried! The rest is silence; 'nuff said.
 
 
+4 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-22 01:23
Keep in mind that as in pool, the best shots are often carom shots made against the cushion or opponents balls. Right wingers and trolls can be used for such purposes, to meet the talking point head on and lay out information for all readers.
 
 
+3 # ghostperson 2012-05-21 13:01
We are on Step 20 now.
 
 
+14 # RMDC 2012-05-21 02:05
This must be some kind of joke. The US is the most heavily propagandized population in all human history. Hitler and Goebels cited Woodrow Wilsons Committee on Public Information as the model for all propaganda. Between 1945-65, the Pentagon, CIA, and State Department ran a program of "psychological operations" against the American people. Roper and Gallup worked in this program to invent modern techniques of "scientific" political opinion polling. Political polling is not observation of public opinion but rather the construction of public opinion.

The Pentagon does not need a new law. It has the largest press office and news bureau on earth. Much reporting comes entirely from the pentagon.

The State Department runs the US Information Agency (now with a different name) and Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, China, ______ (you insert the name).
 
 
+7 # Elusive Pimpernel 2012-05-21 07:34
I believe you left out of your list of those misreporting a couple of names out, CIA, and NSA (the worlds largest information gathering agency as well as misinformation agency)
 
 
+8 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 08:22
1935! When Butler retired -- talking about his career in the years before that.
"Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
[...[
After his retirement from the Marine Corps, Gen. Butler made a nationwide tour in the early 1930s giving his speech "War is a Racket". The speech was so well received that he wrote a longer version as a small book with the same title that was published in 1935 by Round Table Press, Inc., of New York.
[...]

http://www.warisaracket.com/

Chapter One - War Is A Racket

WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
[...]
 
 
-33 # brucbaker 2012-05-21 03:36
I read the comments and I see there are two sorts of propaganda already in use .. the LEFT that loves to accuse Fox News, and the RIGHT that loves to say we are under attack and Constitutional Conservatism is the way to go.

Well, for every positive there is negative .. that is science as well as the NATURE of the world around us. Get over it... see the facts for what they are and HOW the SPIN is put on the facts as each side tries to sway you toward their spin so you are a puppet of their way of thinking.

Indeed, Fox seems weird if you are a Zombie of the leftist Democrat Spin that makes you think you are part of the once great rich elite that used to be the Democrats but now is advertised as the avatar of the down-trodden and lower class. Enough already with Faux-news .. your Faux News is the lamestream media and the propaganda from your bombardment of CNN, MSNBC, and the other major news sources with all the leftist liberals leaning towards the Socialist Utopia... GET A CLUE!
 
 
+13 # engelbach 2012-05-21 07:26
What???
 
 
+20 # tm7devils 2012-05-21 08:09
I did get a clue...
I found out that some scientists made a study, and they found out the following:
If Fox(faux)News is a persons main source of information, that person is 37% less informed.
That means that person is 37% less able to make critical decisions on which way to jump - particularly in the political world.
Here's what pisses me off...I, along with the remainder of the more informed people in this country, have to live with the 'Fox watchers' thinking and voting decisions.
It's they who haven't "GOT A CLUE"!
 
 
-33 # brucbaker 2012-05-21 03:40
How about some of you who put up the dumbest comments .. Fox Faux News???... actually see the FAUX LAMESTREAM MEDIA PROPAGANDA that has programmed you into being Leftist Nazi's or Fascist propaganda thugs? Yeah, you need to realize how you are UNAWARE of your condition.

BECOME AWARE!

SPEND as much time doing some research as you do bitching in comments and I bet your comments will drastically change.

That goes for becoming aware of the SLANT on this website too.. yeah, there is a slant and once you are aware of it .. you can choose if you want to call it propaganda or information.
 
 
+21 # engelbach 2012-05-21 07:27
There's no such thing as a "leftist Nazi." That's like saying "leftwing rightwing."
 
 
+10 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 08:35
You apparantly have no idea what the actual left is about -- and it sure isn't Democrats or 'liberals'.

sorry, but saying'everythi ng is false' or giving a silly platitude about science and nature is not analysis at all, but poppycock.
 
 
+2 # ghostperson 2012-05-21 13:02
What mainstream?
 
 
+15 # walt 2012-05-21 04:04
If America does nor stop the love of military and war, we are finished. As the author states well, "..You don't want most of the DoD types providing information to us, because it won't be in any way balanced."

We saw it in Vietnam and again in the tragic occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. The military says what it wants and the country caves in under the "Support our troops" banner. It must stop! The military is for defense of the USA and not for setting policy for the country.

Just one more example of the out-of-control "military/indus trial complex!"
 
 
+4 # ghostperson 2012-05-21 13:06
I bought a book 10+ years ago that gave the 10 biggest "everythings."

It said that our defense budget exceeds the collective defense budgets of the rest of the world and that our closest competitor wasn't. Its budget was 9 times smaller.

What do we need more defense spending for to fight 19th century wars?
 
 
+5 # John Locke 2012-05-21 17:13
We need a large defense budget so we can make the 1% wealthier while we conquor undeveloped nations
 
 
+14 # bingers 2012-05-21 04:46
Any time you allow teabaggers access to government you're voting for fascism. Why would anyone be surprised by that? It's always been in the interest of the military to lie to us and that will always be the case. Front line troops deserve support and respect but the Pentagon only deserves to be under microscopic surveillance. The military should always be totally subservient to civilian rule and no lawmaker who attempts to allow otherwise doesn't belong in congress.
 
 
+11 # MainStreetMentor 2012-05-21 05:04
( The best defense of the truth is a free press. )

Within the United States, for some period of time, the "free press" hasn't been "free" (in terms of expressed content). Corporate greed dictates what is printed or aired, often at the expense of suppressed news. (How long, as an example, did it take for the Wall Street Occupy Movement to be covered by main-stream media?) "Free Press" is nearly non-existant - and can only be found in on-line blogs and news services such as ReaderSupported News. Americans must demand that "Free Press" be re-established, and, if necessary, removed from the privatized corporations, becoming ONLY a public-interest controlled entity.
 
 
-19 # Martintfre 2012-05-21 07:05
//Corporate greed dictates what is printed or aired, //

humm - so you would be happier if the government had sole dominion over that?
 
 
+13 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 08:55
Please explain the difference between government and corporations now....
 
 
-15 # Martintfre 2012-05-21 09:44
a corporation is a PRIVATELY held entity - When they want to sell goods and services the customer has to choose to buy their goods - and often the fickle customer goes some where else.

GOVERNMENT does not have to worry about pleasing anyone - they raise taxes and have to the power to throw you in prison after taking away all your things if you dare to choose to not support them.

Fascism/Socialism is blending the two together getting the worse of each.
Does that help
 
 
+10 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 11:34
It helps for understanding your attitudes, but you are very wrong about what you think, and do not undestand what fascism is.

Government has become dependnet upon and entwined with corporations and the rich -- a similar thing happened in feudalism -- the wealthy always gets disporportionat e social and political power through using the money and capital they control. Government does have to worry about pleasing the wealthy and corprate power -- the oligarchy.

Fasciam is the opposite of socialism: it is about the benefit of and control by the oligarchy instead of the people. Get your terms right.

As for customer choice, there is little left to that because of manipulative advertising and monopoly. In many ways corporations not onlu use government to enforce their will but also act directly -- sometimes with mercenaries (so far more common in other countries, but by the same international corporations).

Socialism is an increment towards communism in that it benefits people but still gives the corporations most of the control over the government and virtually all control over production, Communism is control over both government and production by the working people.

Go forth and learn, and sin no more... you can't really be free until you understand the truth.
 
 
-15 # Martintfre 2012-05-21 13:03
//Fasciam is the opposite of socialism: it is about the benefit of and control by the oligarchy instead of the people. Get your terms right.
//

Ha ha -- that is really funny - but wrong.

Socialism is total government ownership, Fascism is partial government ownership of some companies over others -- they are two similar flavors of big brother.


Communism is total negation of individual rights. I doubt the millions of victims caused by Fascism, Socialism and Communism will move your heart an inch away from their false utopian dreams

They all deem the individual as an expendable cog in their big machine.
 
 
+11 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 15:50
You are just making that up. You have no clue what you are talking about. You simply don't know anything, but that doesn't stop you from writing stuff -- so you write nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Socialism /ˈsoʊʃəlɪzəm/ is an economic system characterised by social ownership and/or control of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy,[1] and a political philosophy advocating such a system. "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, direct public ownership or autonomous state enterprises.[2] There are many variations of socialism and as such there is no single definition encapsulating all of socialism.[3] They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets versus planning, how management is to be organised within economic enterprises, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[4]

A socialist economic system would consist of an organisation of production to directly satisfy economic demands and human needs, so that goods and services would be produced directly for use instead of for private profit driven by the accumulation of capital, and accounting would be based on physical quantities, a common physical magnitude, or a direct measure of labour-time.[5] [6] Distribution of output would be based on the principle of individual contribution.
[...]
 
 
+6 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 15:53
Again -- you just make stuff up -- this is the actual meaning, more or less, and implies the people having the power over any governemnt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.
[...]
 
 
-5 # Martintfre 2012-05-21 13:04
Oh One more thing Blue:
Look at the 10 planks of the communist manifesto. Then look at the ten amendments to the bill of Rights.

Now honestly ask your self which one protects the people from government and which one deems people as expendable components of government?
 
 
+5 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 16:00
It's here to read:

http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/61/pg61.html

The main point is to form a classless society where all people have equal rights -- certainly NOT expendable components of government (nor of an oligarchy or corporate power as we have in the US now).
 
 
+5 # reiverpacific 2012-05-21 18:45
Quoting bluepilgrim:
It's here to read:

http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/61/pg61.html

The main point is to form a classless society where all people have equal rights -- certainly NOT expendable components of government (nor of an oligarchy or corporate power as we have in the US now).

"Bluepilgrim".
Please don't waste y'r valuable time with this Libertarian-tea bagger. I tried and failed completely with attempts at reasonable and reasoned debate and gave up, the effort being to much effort for my persistence against all penetrable odds.
It will keep ahold of any point you try to make and counter with all sorts of nonsense in order to hold on to the tatters of any given debate with a Pirana-like grip and a similar mindlessness (except that the Pirana is at least trying to feed itself at any price, even if it's jerked out of it's watery environment to it's own destruction).
It's not worth your goodness, or what hair you might have left.
 
 
+5 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-22 01:33
But for this discussion, it presents a good opportunity to explain some things that tend to fuzzy in the minds of many people (as well as for those who wish to counter such points on other forums).
Over the years I've learned a great deal from reading responses that people who have studied the subjects and use that information to respond to trols, right wingers, and those who are simply still ignorant. Many people don't understand what fascism, socialism, and communism actually means, and have been subject to the confusion of years of propaganda and misinformation.

It can be like a dialectic, or even Plato's device of the Socratic dialog. As one studies and gains knowledge and understanding it's good to spread it around. This is also a good way to learn, and to refine your understanding, as other knowledgeable posters respond to what you may write.
 
 
+5 # 666 2012-05-22 03:38
I suspect the more trolls this site collects, the more relevant it is becoming...
 
 
+6 # ghostperson 2012-05-21 13:11
Corporations take taxpayer dollars and government subsidizies and keep the profits.

Government takes taxpayer dollars and gives them to corporations along with subsidizies.

So we could save money by eliminating the middleman. All money ends up in the same place.

Then we could create an off the books economy and make the corporations hunt us down because they wouldn't have IRS to do it for them.

Before anyone gets "nutz" on me, this is a joke.
 
 
+5 # Peacedragon 2012-05-21 05:21
Another Will Rogers quote under a different article:

This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hsmmer.
 
 
+7 # erogers 2012-05-21 05:28
This should prove to be the stuff of more great lies. I can already hear a Fox Lies commentator loudly announcing the following: "Breaking news American Volk!! Field Marshall Friedrich Von Paulus has broken out of the trap at Stalingrad. He did not surrender on January 31, 1943. Those troops are now marching to the nearest airfield and will fly to the relief of members of Congress trapped in the Congressional bunker in Washington D. C. Now stand and raise your right arm and sing the Horst Wessel". Yes in deed the further lack of any truth in an America headed down the wrong road. Josef Goebbels would be proud.
 
 
+8 # USA2012??? 2012-05-21 05:46
You mean more blatant propaganda than the "conditioning information" that already permeates the US media at present? Agreed: throw these two brazen anti democratic American turkeys under the bus please: Rep. Mac Thornberry from Texas and Rep. Adam Smith from Washington State!
 
 
+16 # genierae 2012-05-21 06:00
I don't think fascism is "creeping" in this country, I think it's galloping. It's hurrying to take over before the final reckoning, when it will be left behind in the dust. These Republicans sense that they are running out of time, and so they are getting desperate. Their puny weapons are no match for the truth, and they know it.
 
 
+12 # CoyoteMan50 2012-05-21 06:12
Yes it's like Germany in 1930-1940 and of course Republicans and the sons of Joe McCarthy hope you didn't attend history classes.
I've been predicting a more Chinese communist fascist type of gov't here for years.
I get poo-poo'd a lot when I write that.
Look at the drones in skies watching us all. Look at all the eavesdropping on many citizens without warrants. Indefinite detention sounds like the first step into a ride to Auschwitz!
See the writing on the wall before the US becomes Jesus-Freak Land.
 
 
-9 # Martintfre 2012-05-21 07:04
//Nothing speaks more urgently to the creeping fascism of American politics than the assertion by our representatives , who apparently have never read a book on Germany in the 1930s-1940s///

Actually Nothing speaks more directly to fascism then a president and his party and even the opposition party who against the wishes of the people at large, bail out their low corporate friends in high places in many industries - CAR, Finance, Banking, Housing,Insuran ce, energy ...
 
 
+7 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 08:59
Sort of, but not that simple.

You don't want to hear it, but the root problem is capitalism, so-called 'libertarianism ', and the liberal-neolibe ral 'free mearket' nonsense. The answer, for now, is socialism and authentic Marxism, until something better is invented and developed. That translates into a government run by the people -- the working class -- instead of an oligarchy.
 
 
-14 # Martintfre 2012-05-21 09:40
Capitalism is PRIVATE property rights .

In Capitalism there are no bail outs - they meet Larry the Liquidator - not socialst/facist BailOut Billy and his tax payer check book.

Soo many want to blame capitalism for the failures of Fascism/Sociali sm .. I guess that is safer then blaming your holy thieving bureaucrat.
 
 
+8 # paulrevere 2012-05-21 11:14
Would you please illuminate my beleagured mind as to when and where ANY capitalist entity has been successful?

Seems to me the constant critique of so called free market capitalism ALWAYS dumbs down to "privatized profits and socialized losses' and that is the fact of your little dream whirled Martintfre.

You were sayin'?
 
 
+7 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 11:40
Read my above comment and break free of the propaganda. There is no such thing as socialist/fasci st any more than up/down or off/on. Two opposing ideas completely. Fascist is dictatorial control by the oligarchy; socialism is democratic control by the people. And don't mistake state capitalism (as in the USSR, with with socialism. Remember that most working people OPPOSED the bank/financial bailout, and socialists were appalled by it.
 
 
+6 # paulrevere 2012-05-21 12:26
...and I'd add that close to 50% of all electricity generation in America is 'socialized', hundreds of thousands of jobs are with employee owned businesses and cooperatives abound unpublicized in this country.

SOCIALISM, by WETHEPEOPLE, for WETHEPEOPLE does work!
 
 
+9 # Guy 2012-05-21 10:00
If you look around the world ,there are countries that have a combination of both capitalism and socialism and have a very good living standards.Norwa y comes to mind ,but there are many others.I am Canadian by the way, and we have a social health care system,( and please don't tell me about the waiting lines ,because that is mostly propaganda also)an unemployment safety net,a guaranteed pension after 65 etc. etc.Yes but our far right PM ,Harper wants to dismantle all this and carbon copy your system,which I do think is way too focused on ME,ME,ME.
There must be a middle of the road when one considers politics.I do think that capitalism has shown us that in it's pure form,left on it's own ,will end up burning itself out.And yet there are good values in it.It can only survive if we start caring for each other and apply some socialistic values into it.IMHO.
 
 
+6 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 11:50
The good values are hardly unique to capitalism, and in fact they are largely borrowed from socialism -- creativity, use value, working together, long-range planning.

Capitalism grew out of and is transitional to socialism: it was originally freedom for people to work and organize out from under the control of the monarchs, lords and land-owners. That's what the 'free' in so called 'free trade' meant people were free of. The communistic worker owned and run companies, such as the software entrepreneurs, broke free from the corporate masters, even while still having to contend with the capitalist system which constrained what they could do by demanding profits and competing agains corporations.

Now corporate power is moving the world back towards feudalism and monarchy -- and that's inherent in capitalism. We are back to struggling to break free of the plutocracy.
 
 
+1 # Guy 2012-05-21 12:30
A good video for us all to watch,by Max Egan,"The transformation" I believe applies very well to today's times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q0PykgS42wo
Enjoy !
And to all on this forum,that read the underground news such as this one,my best regards.
 
 
+1 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 16:07
I'm downloading it. The first few minutes look interesting.
 
 
+8 # Woody41 2012-05-21 07:24
Once someone feels it is necessary to proclaim "I love our guys and gals in uniform," the horse is already out of the barn. This kow-towing to the military is inherently a bowing before fascism, whose material basis is the accumulation of capital via military/police endeavors. A free people need not--should not--feel or offer such kneejerk professions of love. Similarly, "service" to one's country should not be conceived only as participation in the military.
 
 
+6 # Listner 2012-05-21 07:43
Most of what I read here I agree with. The media has become slanted and jaded to the point where I rarely believe the story as it's presented.I try to watch PBS as it's about as close as we're apt to come to responsible reporting.
I don't know anything about Adam Smith but I'll find out quickly as I live in the N.W. He is not in my district but there are ways to reach the people who are in HIS district.
Rather than yelling and screaming and waving your arms, quietly and effectively present the people with the truth. We still have the right to vote these people out of office.When they're exposed as liars, they will be removed.
We absolutely have to respond at the polls to what we see as wrong. Not voting just gives them the upper hand.
Organize people to vote. It's how these people got there in the first place.
These blogs make me feel better but talking about the issues just starts the process. Had a few more people voted instead of blogged in 2000, we might have had Gore instead of, well, you know.
The one tool we all have is our vote. Extend that to the people around you.
Organize the people in communitys where getting to the polls is hard and show them how to sign up for absentee ballots.Many more people will vote in the comfort of thier own home rather than hassle going to the polling place.
Organize people to vote. It's our only hope.
 
 
+1 # Elusive Pimpernel 2012-05-21 07:54
A very noble idea, using peaceful means such as voting to effect change, but I disagree with that approach.

You see, these candidates are the ones jaded and dishonest, and voting them out merely opens the door for yet another ego driven candidate full of promise and ideas which eventually end up being backtracked by them.

Elected officials and potential candidates are like cockroaches, you stump on a few of them only to discover they will be replaced by a few more nasty cockroaches.

The voting process has been rendered ineffective and its time we the people become aware of that.
 
 
+6 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 09:03
PBS is not reliable -- it's very dependent on corporate funding and also embedded in the overall capitalist and imperialist mindset, particularly the last decade or so. It was heavily biased in favor of the wars on Iraq and Afghanistan, for instance (I finally got fed up with McNeal News Hour and stopped wathcing the network altogether).

You have to go to the altenative and foreign journalists to get decent information and commentary.
 
 
+3 # ghostperson 2012-05-21 13:17
The Republican party is a party of the evangelical South and white males.

The efforts they are making to cut out voting by dark people, old people, young people and poor people is intended to preserve a dying segment population. (God, knows what they are doing to women? Transvaginal probes?)

What democracy? We have politics by the crazy for the crazy.

How many groups can a party piss off and remain relevant?
 
 
+12 # upthecrik 2012-05-21 07:48
Of course the Feds will outsource the propaganda. The U.S. gave birth to propaganda with the advent of behavioral psychology...an yone remember Skinner and Watson (Walden II...Baby Albert)? We tend to think that we are not being psychologically bombarded every day; but it's just that the techniques have become so much more refined and subtle since Hitler's "propaganda". But make no mistake, the U.S. invented, perfected, and employs psychological manipulation through the use of media more widely than any other nation in the world. Hitler was crazy not stupid. He'd absorbed the American version of psychology created in the earliest years of the 20th century. Our government and corporations have been pumping propaganda into our national psyche for nearly a century now. As one observes the 50/50 political divide that currently shapes American politics, it not hard to conclude that the two party propaganda machine has perfectly captured their respective audiences and effectively ground the democratic political machinery of this country to a halt. Thus, the door is left wide open for a (fascist/corpor ate) demagogue to step in and subvert the democratic process. Deja Vu anyone?
 
 
+5 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 09:05
Don't forget Edward Bernays and Walter Lippmann.
 
 
+2 # goodsensecynic 2012-05-21 09:23
Don't be so hard on Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert (never mind the occasional wisdom of Bill Moyers). Granted they can't be overly critical and are also part of the corporate structure (serving as semi-offician "fooles" at the Court); but, they at least highlight some of the more egregious calumnies of their official competitors.

Or, maybe Steward and O'Reilley are just the good cop/bad cop of the media? Hmmm. Scary thought!
 
 
+4 # jwb110 2012-05-21 09:58
My tax dollars are meant to provide for the common defense not for propaganda.
 
 
+7 # ghostperson 2012-05-21 12:47
Creeping? Try been there for a long time.

We pay for war but let our infrastructure rot.

We pay for war but have no jobs.

We pay for war and have a disintegrated educational system.

We pay subsidies to Big Oil, go to war to protect their interests and create great vast riches for the military industrial complex through non-competitive bid contracts.

We give loans interest free to institutions that are monopolies and allow them the become our creditors with no money out of pocket, then, allow them to write off profits made from our taxes through tax loopholes.

The Fat Cats privatize profit and socialize loss. I want that deal.

I understand plutocracies. I understand oligarchies.

What I don't understand is what the hell is wrong with us, the citizens, that we tolerate the destruction of the middle class and allow the third worldization of the country we claim to love.
Why can't "we the people" force our government to break up insurance, health care, oil and financial services
monopolies? Free markets? Bull. Americans are captives of vampire capitalism.We have welfare all right--for the wealthy elite.

If we are going to be third world nation without education, infrastructure, employment or systems that benefit taxpayers, then, Americans need to move to a place where civilized people live who don't think the common good is an evil.
 
 
+6 # LGNTexas 2012-05-21 13:00
The US might have become a fascist state in the 1930's save for the leadership of FDR. A group of conservatives (including Prescott Bush) hated him so much they even plotted a coup d'état to overthrow the president. For their plot, they employed Marine Major General Smedley Butler (who was a Republican). However, the General wouldn't go along with their plan to have a half million vets march on Washington, then seize the White House. Butler testified before Congress:

"My interest is, my one hobby is, maintaining a democracy. If you get these
500,000 soldiers advocating anything smelling of Fascism, I am going to get
500,000 more and lick the hell out of you, and we will have a real war right
at home." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BZCfbrXKs4&feature=related

Sinclair Lewis was so concerned about growing fascism in the world, he wrote a book in 1935, "It Can't Happen Here", a fictional tome about a fascist takeover of our nation. When I reread the book a few years back it seemed not so much fiction anymore but a good description of the Bush/Cheney administration and the neocons.

As late as 1939, American Nazis filled Madison Square Garden for a rally. Influential corporatists like Henry Ford and "hero" Charles Lindbergh were unabashed admirers of Adolph Hitler. As late as the summer of 1941, Ford and Lindbergh gladly accept the Cross of the Order of the German Eagle from Nazi leader Herman Göring.
 
 
+2 # mervie 2012-05-21 18:19
Thank you for your true history lesson. I remember all of this stuff. It's so much worse as you probably know. IBM working with the Nazis to make concentration camps more efficient; Standard Oil making a deal with IG Farben (chemical company which made the gas pellets for auschwitz) and then having board members represented on their board; other american corporate interests ready to come up german if they won the war, etc. then the threat of a coup d'etat if nixon didn't resign (as reported in the NY times) and how can anyone explain the absolute power of the pentagon if not in neo fascist terms. even today obama in a press conference was asked a question by a soldier in afghanistan (by proxy of a reporter) if he can trust the pentagon to give him "true" information. you're absolutely right. the attempt to become fascist is not new. in 1969 (i believe) the Rand Corporation made a study -- what conditions would the American people accept in order to accept a totalitarian state. those conditions that they came up with exist today.
 
 
+1 # 666 2012-05-22 03:41
please reference the rand study
 
 
+3 # She Cee 2012-05-21 15:29
Does anyone remember pre-Iraq war propaganda?

The administration "leaked" information to the New York Times and than made the statement that, "according to NYT reports, such and such happened, or anything they wanted to give credence to, even knowing that it was they, all along, who provided the so-called "information" to the Times.

It we still had real investigative reporters than we might be able to trust what the media tells us. But I fear that few of those still exist except people like Amy Goodman and Juan Cole. I still trust Bernie Sanders and Bill Moyers, but how many of those are still around.
 
 
+2 # James38 2012-05-21 16:49
This is strange. Adam Smith is a Democrat who has opposed at least some parts of the bill. May 18, 2012, Seattle Times published this: "WASHINGTON -- The House on Friday voted to uphold indefinite detention of any terrorism suspects, once again defeating a motion of Rep. Adam Smith, D-Tacoma, to roll back the legally-dispute d practice.

By a 182-238 vote, the House rejected an amendment offered by Smith and Rep. Justin Amash, R-Mich., to guarantee any terrorist suspects arrested on U.S. soil -- not just U.S. citizens -- the right to a charge and a trial."

It seems that Smith has some of the attitudes correct.
 
 
+3 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-21 17:36
Or it's worked out in committee who will vote yes or no on various parts to tge the bill through as desired while providing political cover for various members. That's not unusual.
 
 
+1 # James38 2012-05-23 06:52
Ugh, I forget the depths of chicanery our "representative s" (and business leaders and PAC's and Faugh Sleaze) are capable of.

I guess doing a search of Smith's entire voting record might expose this question to some light.
 
 
+1 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-22 11:59
Interesting note -- mentioned in new podcast at rdwolff.com ( http://rdwolff.com/content/americans-living-alone-meanings-and-implications-podcast -- Harriet Fraad says CIA wanted to decouple feminism from class) about people living alone, and then tracked to this article:

http://henrymakow.com/180302.html
Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society
March 18, 2002

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

"In the 1960's, the elite media invented second-wave feminism as part of the elite agenda to dismantle civilization and create a New World Order."

Since writing these words last week, I have discovered that before she became a feminist leader, Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA spying on Marxist students in Europe and disrupting their meetings. She became a media darling due to her CIA connections. MS Magazine, which she edited for many years was indirectly funded by the CIA.

[...]
 
 
+2 # James38 2012-05-23 07:16
Whaaaat? News to me. Good grief, and the current crop of Teabag funded loons think we need a bill authorizing even more propaganda?

Ain't life grand? I am often reminded of two quotes:

"The sheep are happier unto themselves than under the care of wolves" Thomas Jefferson

And when asked by a reporter "What do you think of Western Civilization? Mahatma Gandhi thought a moment, and replied, "I think it would be a good idea."

Of course, if modern India and Pakistan (and China) are representative of "Eastern Civilization", the knife cuts both ways.

When people talk about "Human Civilization" I often feel like looking all around and asking them, "Where?"

Some of the Amazon Indian tribes may come closest. And the Scandinavian countries get honorable mention. A lot of creative thought is needed here.

The real test will be, do we succeed in countering Climate Change, or does greed and stupidity destroy the biosphere?
 
 
+3 # socrates2 2012-05-22 14:01
John Locke pretty much says it all. Do you really believe the CIA's secret budget goes exclusively to pay for surveillance gear, weapons, payoffs and salaries?
Quite a chunk of change ends up paying off media types to disseminate misinformation, at home and abroad.
Recall all those Hollywood films that got made with Pentagon approval from the 1940's to the present?
Our services are in the misinformation business on the taxpayer dime. Otherwise, we would have dismantled the Pentagon's war-machine (the "military-indus trial complex") ages ago, regulated Wall Street and reined in the Fed. Next.
 
 
+2 # billybookworm 2012-05-22 16:20
I could not find the propaganda amendment among the 140 some amendments. I did find Adam Smith backing an amendment to repeal the indefinate detention provision. An article with this kind of allegation should either be at WND or have a citation to a reliable primary source.
 
 
+1 # bluepilgrim 2012-05-22 17:01
Not exactly, but I found this
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/05/22/smith-mundt-modernization-better-late-than-never/ with a link to a separate bill from these two.

It's hard to get info and keep all these maneuvers straight.
Did this find it's way into the Defnese Authorization?
 
 
0 # Hillarion 2012-05-26 12:49
A good read: _Idiot America_, by Charles P. Pierce.

Although I haven't read Chalmers Johnson yet, his title _The Sorrows of Empire_ is, very likely, of much value.

Charles Sykes wrote a book called _Dumbing Down Our Kids_ about 25 years ago. Those kids are now adults, at least as to age...

Fox News is our counterpart to the German Völkischer Beobachter. When I checked Wikipedia about it, the specimen was the issue that essentially announced Hitler's acquiring significant power. (IIrc, I needed to translate some German (via Google Translate) to learn that.)

I'm seriously worried about our future in the next century or so.
 

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