Intro: "Well, lots of people spent Wednesday making fun of Tom Friedman's column pleading with Mike Bloomberg to run for president. Piling on doesn't interest me. What interests me is that Friedman and Financial Times columnist Sebastian Mallaby, whom Friedman quoted, and others in the center-left orbit they inhabit genuinely seem to believe that if Barack Obama put a bold and comprehensive tax-reform plan on the table, the Republicans would be forced to respond and negotiate in good faith. But this is pure fantasy."
Michael Tomasky says centrists are fools to think if Obama compromises with Republicans it will be 'good for the country.' (photo: Amy Sancetta/AP)
Barack Obama and the 'Centrist' Fantasy
19 April 12
ell, lots of people spent Wednesday making fun of Tom Friedman's column pleading with Mike Bloomberg to run for president. Piling on doesn't interest me. What interests me is that Friedman and Financial Times columnist Sebastian Mallaby, whom Friedman quoted, and others in the center-left orbit they inhabit genuinely seem to believe that if Barack Obama put a bold and comprehensive tax-reform plan on the table, the Republicans would be forced to respond and negotiate in good faith. But this is pure fantasy. All that would happen would be that Obama would cost himself loads of political capital, and the center of gravity on the subject of taxation would again be pushed to the right. That isn't just bad for Obama, which is a second-order concern; it would be horrible for the country.
I'm sure that people like Friedman and Mallaby, and Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson and Alice Rivlin and Pete Domenici, mean well and operate in good faith. They want to see a president issue big and courageous proposals, and they want Congress to rise above the blah-blah-blah. They want our system to vindicate itself. Well, who doesn't?
Unfortunately, it won't. Let's imagine a scenario. Obama comes forward with a tax-reform proposal along Bowles-Simpson lines, one that meets the GOP halfway. He comes up with three marginal rates for individuals, the highest one around 35, maybe 38 tops; or maybe he adds a fourth "LeBron James" rate, a higher rate on dollars earned above some fantastically high figure that applies to something like .2 percent of all tax filers; but that would probably be in there as a bargaining chip. He proposes the elimination of certain "tax expenditures," or deductions and loopholes like the home-mortgage-interest deduction and the deduction for employer-sponsored health care, which are the two big ones; or maybe he's more modest about this and places caps on those, not eliminating them entirely; or perhaps he sticks with something like getting rid of the state and local tax deduction. Finally, he lowers the corporate rate from the current 35 percent, but proposes closing several corporate loopholes, like energy-tax preferences for the oil and gas industry.
WWMD? That is, what would McConnell do—and Boehner, and Cantor, and the rest? Would they scratch their chins and say, "Gee, this is great. We're delighted that the president has put something serious on the table, and we will work hard with him to find common ground"? Actually, they might say that, at first, just to pull the wool over people's eyes. But in short order, the line from them and their confederates in positions of lighter responsibility would be: "This is a massive tax increase! Eliminating these deductions on middle-class people will raise their taxes, so he's breaking his promise, see, we told you! The LeBron tax is just more 'Democrat' class warfare, more punishing the job creators." "The corporate plan," they'll say, "sounds good on paper, but again, he's attacking the job creators by eliminating these important deductions, and many corporations, especially small businesses"—you know they'll throw that one in!—"are going to end up paying more."
If Obama meets Republicans halfway, and then they block a deal, the center will shift further to the right. Republicans know this. That's why obstructionism suits them just fine.
And that's just elected officials. At Heritage and Cato, they'll comb through the fine print and find an Achilles' heel, something that can be distorted to sound just hideous, which will of course be in there, because tax policy is unbelievably complex. And then, once Mr. Oxycontin and the Fox people start hooping and hollering about that, it won't be long before the whole thing can be dismissed as something Marx would be proud of.
No they wouldn't, you say? Why? Because their allegations wouldn't be true? Oh, yes, that has regularly stopped them in the past. Or because there would be too much pressure on them to behave responsibly this time? Pressure from whom? The New York Times and Washington Post editorial pages? Please. Direct me to one instance—and no, the Post and the Iraq War doesn't count, because that was the Post endorsing something Republicans were for anyway—when Eric Cantor has read a Times editorial and said, "Golly, these fellows make some very fair points, I must heed them." The only pressure they pay attention to is from Limbaugh, Fox, and the base. And that pressure will consist entirely of one message: resist, at all costs, or perish.
And that's what the Republicans will do. There's every reason to think it will be even worse in a second Obama term, because the base will be so enraged that the guy "stole" another election that the demand will be that the Republicans be even more obstructionist. And yes, there are a few honest Republicans. But Barney Frank summed up nicely in his interview with New York magazine why they can't be relied on for anything:
"People ask me, 'Why don't you guys get together?' And I say, 'Exactly how much would you expect me to cooperate with Michele Bachmann?' And they say, 'Are you saying they're all Michele Bachmann?' And my answer is, 'No, they're not all Michele Bachmann. Half of them are Michele Bachmann. The other half are afraid of losing a primary to Michele Bachmann.'"
That, alas, is the size of it. Columnists and wise men and women can afford the luxury of pretending or hoping that Republicans will behave as an American political party is supposed to behave. But Obama can't. All it would accomplish is to put himself in an extremely vulnerable position: He'll have expended an enormous amount of political capital in putting forward a big proposal, and he'll lose, and the Republicans will convince a significant portion of the country that it was Obama's fault for being "partisan.
But the worst outcome is this: if Obama makes a big proposal that meets the GOP halfway, and they block it, then the substantive center of gravity will shift to the right one more time. The same people who now wish that Obama would "show leadership" will make the same demand, except that next time, that demand will mean that he offer even lower rates in order to win Republican support. Guess what? The Republicans know this. Obstructionism suits them just fine.
That's the reality of today's GOP. What can change it? Not much. Losing lots of elections. If they're ever down to 38 senators and 153 House members like the good old days, they'll have to deal. Until then, Obama wouldn't be a leader if he tried to negotiate with them in good faith. He'd be a fool.
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But as you say he lacks integrity, and his Wall Street deal fairly much shows that as a fact.
The things he has done since He has been in office have all been against our interest yet the die hard democrats give him a free pass...what is appalling to me is if a republican president had done any one of the number of evils Obama has done to us they would be screaming for his head...But not their saint Obama he gets a free pass!
Thursday, April 19, 2012
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -15
Ninety-two percent (92%) believe it is important to place strict limits on government so that it cannot take away individual rights and freedom.
In a hypothetical Election 2012 matchup, presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney earns 46% of the vote, while President Obama attracts support from 45%
Still close!
Some people say the Democrats are just like the Republicans, and in some ways that’s true, but when it comes to making legislation, over all, they try to protect the interests and lives of the 99% and all Americans.
I'm having trouble seeing how electing Mittens fits into a "progressive" strategic agenda.
I fault the Democrats for preferring to "go forward", rather than putting into play an investigation of GWB's "shock & awe" of Iraq. Neither party is without fault in that costly blunder, and neither is willing to risk exposing their own party to the faulty "evidence" that gave Junior the ok to invade Iraq. But, this is not going to go away.
An attitude like that never accomplishes anything.
Obama could use some backbone to point out this fact over and over again but it has nothing to do with some inability to negotiate.
Its the spending Stupid!
Yup... the spending on unprovoked wars, corporate giveaways, and gigantic tax cuts ("The Bush Tax Cuts") to those who need help lease.
You're right though. The Democrats NEVER should have cooperated with bush jr. about this.
Just about every one of those Liberals calling for more tax revenue refuse to open their own wallet and lead by example by writing bigger checks then necessary -- they want to pretend like they care, and they do care enough to promise to pick some one elses wallet so stupid people will vote for them.
The real problem is the massive federal spending. Every tax payer is presently on the hook for $1.044 MILLION dollars once funded and UNfunded liabilities are factored in -- there is not enough money on the planet to satisfy the endless promises politicians make with other peoples money to get elected.
We can't afford to continue spending what we don't have on our incredibly bloated, wasteful, and unnecessary defense budget. There is no excuse in the world to justify the USA spending more than all other countries combined on so-called defense and decimating our safety net for those in need in order to do so.
So, we need to work on the problem you have identified and get the politicians to stop promising all of the endless defense contractors that they will continue funding the absurd defense budget, and then adding to it as well, with other people's money, because you are exactly correct, we CAN'T afford it!!!
Terrorists are the main problem we need to have any concern about and it doesn't take more than a couple synapses to figure out that the military is useless against them. The only thing that has been successful anywhere in the world against terrorism has been police work, not Apache attack helicopters.
We spend as much as the rest of the world combined on the military, and at least some of those countries, NATO, India, all the countries of Latin America, S. Korea, are no threat to us militarily. That means that countries that wish us poorly, Iran, N. Korea, Burma, Pakistan, China, spend a piddly fraction of what we do. You can whine about the military threat of China all you want, but it is in the economic arena that they are going to eat our lunch. And the more we spend on our military instead of investments in our infrastructure, the less able we are to compete with them economically.
And the DEMOCRATS lined up behind Bush and voted for those wars as well - Had there been a shred of Honesty with Obomya we would of left Iraq and Afghanistan several years ago- yet we are still there, And we would not have bombed Libya or keep funding the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt as we are about to do again.
This ain't Church or a school picnic where everyone chips in what they can afford. How do you know who is or is not paying more than they owe? When one does that they are under no obligation to reveal that, so if you know you are likely breaking the law.
Just about every one of those Conservatives seem to think that they can explain exactly what ever Liberal is doing and what they are thinking. How did the Conservatives get such unimaginable power?
The facts are (WAKE UP! FACTS ALERT!) that fiscally the country has had worse debt problems in the past, like right after WW2. We recovered. We invested in America and Americans. We built infrastructure and expanded educational opportunities. We reached out and invested in other parts of the world at the same time. This all culminated in the first human to step foot on an alien world. It all ended when we stopped improving and updating our infrastructure, handed our education system over to banks, and stopped investing in other countries and started to reward employers using foreign slave conditions to benefit and improve the lives of virtually no one.
Throw out the big numbers, but get those older numbers recalculated to account for inflation. (WAKE UP! FACTS OVER!)
Don't I recall something about a surplus prior to the Bush years, with the wars, corporate giveaways, and tax cuts to those who need help least?
Apparently there are at least 68 people who think that it is ok to elect politicians who make endless promises with other peoples money. 68 people at least who think that it is ok to enslave children being born today with over a million dollars of debt to satisfy their own selfish wants.
I guess these little kiddies are the 1% so it is ok to economically enslave them
And they have created a certain air of truth to the story. Many of those same independents proclaim that Obama had 2 years with a complete Democratic Majority and he was incapable of getting any of his agenda through. Except of course for Health Care, the successful rescue of Detroit and forestalling the collapse of the entire economy into total chaos.
But "where are the jobs" the independents ask. Explain that the Republicans blocked every real attempt to create jobs programs, and his majority is again brought up. They show that they have been brainwashed into Republican thinking by ignoring that Democrats are allowed to act independently. The nearly 100% compliance of the Republicans, especially in the Senate, is without precedent in modern American politics. I don't claim to have the answer, but I do know negotiating with the Republicans is an exercise in absurdity.
also do you really believe he actually forstalled an economic collapse?
You shoule read more, your opinion would change dramatically... perhaps you are not aware that the entire financial system is now also on life support and is being propped up by phony financial statements...Th e nearly 10 million homes that have really been foreclosed are still being carried on their books at the full loan value! if they actually showed these properties at the rate they were foreclosed at, they would all be taken over by the FDIC...they are all technically insolvent! All Obama has done is try to save his financial backers...Not Us!
President Obama cannot act as a dictator. So to say he should have done X Y or Z is merely your opinion based on what you believe to be true. However, there are forces in play that we are not aware of; forces that go beyond financially backing one candidate over another. They money changers care not a bit over who is President, they have been manipulating many things since the Nixon and then the Reagan administrations began handing them control.
They are entrenched beyond the capacity for a single man to control in a mere two years. And while I have no idea whether Obama forstalled an economic collapse, I do know it hasn't happened.
My question to you is still, how is your relentless attack on Obama going to move the country forward and finally reset our economy and our Democracy. Sometimes when I read what you are saying I get the feeling that you believed all the baloney that the Right Wing claimed we believed back in 2008. Talk about setting up someone to fail, their Obama setup was a masterpiece. And very scary, since maybe not you, but others like you were taken in by the Right Wing misinformation machine.
I look at the facts and what I see I don't like...such as Obama attacking OWS. with Homeland Security, NDAA, and so forth...
I have been trying to move people to wake up and back a real party that is not controlled by Wall Street... and when you say the economy hasn't collapsed. wow.. I have nothing to say except what do you call business failures daily and 1,410,653 Bankruptcy filings last year? Can a business borrow money today? are the banks solvent? are Foreclosures rising again? Would you like to take a guess as to how many people are homeless in the US this very Minute? If you beleive this economy is sound...Can I sell you a slightly used bridge in New York?
What "real party" is that which can get more votes that the 2nd place candidate? I AGREE WITH YOU, but the election we're talking about is six months from NOW. OWS is the only progressive thing happening on a wide scale, but they're not putting anyone in place for elective office.
BTW, Obama as a dictator is a truly ridiculous notion.
I specifically stated that I did NOT think you had been taken in by the Right Wing propaganda. I just noted that your comments echo in tone, not content, the complaints of the Right Wing.
I agree 100% about the anti-democratic activities of this administration. In my mind, however, it is a moot point since any Republican and most (not all) Democrats running in 2008 (including Hillary, especially Hillary) would have done at least the same or may be worse.
While YOU may not think Obama is even marginally better than Romney at restoring our economy, the record shows otherwise. Wait until Gov. Deval Patrick goes on the campaign trail to let everyone know about 2 things. First, the state of MA was in tatters after Romney left; and second, the only success Romney had is the Healthcare plan, where MA is now the only state where Insurance Premiums are dropping. Please do sell me that slightly used bridge, prices are down right now and the value is sure to rise; once the Republican Obstructionists get out of the way.
Romney would be a disaster, Obama at least we tread water and we all work together to get candidates for 2014 and 2016 that will either sign on to Progessive ideas and true democracy.
The Righties have been destroying the country for nearly 40 years, one guy cannot fix that in 2, 4, or even 8 years.
You have to play it long.
Obama scares me, after what he has already done...
I do see your point, Romney would certainly be worse for everything but Human and Civil rights..there I believe they are equally bad...
I like your point about the bridge and the prices being at their low point, Maybe I should hold on to it and see if the prices rise soon!
I understand also that we don't have time now to organize for a real candidate and the Democrats really screwed us up by having no one challenge Obama...as I see the problem there are too many appologists for him here and very few willing to hold his feet to the fire...I do understand very well your points...I just wish there was now some viable alternative!
Really?
Then explain the constitutionali ty of attacking Libya?
Not a dictator...Expl ain why we the 'free people' can't film police abusing citizens but the government can grope us at will?
LOL
ORomney is almost a clone of Obama - the republican hierarchy is committing suicide by pushing ORomney - he does not have enough money to run against his past record.
Obama's only incompetent if you actually care about holding his feet to the fire for things like we would be out of the wars within x months if not by his inauguration, the economy would be better bla bla.
But If you standard is a cult of personality and that is your sole measure of value then Obama is great.
The bartender said, "Hi Mitt!"
They WILL vote for Mittens.
Many on the left WILL NOT vote for Obama.
Do the math.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
Support the 99ers, the only chance we have left. Go 99ers Go!
Obama the Wimp.
It seems like it should be a no-brainer: who wants to drink polluted water or breathe bad air?
(And of course Tomasky is right: compromise makes absolutely no sense with opponents who are willing to wreck the country to do you in.)
So let’s let the Republicans totally destroy SS, Medicare and Medicaid instead. While we're at it let’s let them gut the Department of Education, and Pell Grants, lets lower taxes on the wealthiest and raise taxes on the poor. Hell just for spite because we don't like Obama, let’s let the Republicans add another two conservative judges on the Supreme Court and then repeal Roe v Wade and countless other beneficial rulings for the working class, let them repeal health care so that people could still be denied insurance when they get sick and the people with pre existing conditions will be out of luck, let them create larger deficits, and reduce funding for food stamps, for clean energy, for science, for global warming, don’t forget we can let them destroy unions too. Sounds like a great plan, John Locke, Karl Rove would be proud.
Sorry, but voting a straight Dem. ticket ain't gonna solve the problem. Reality Check: The lines wrapped around the block in 2008 at the El Paso County Dem. County Convention, in the bitter cold, with no admittance for no reason. Then came #1 proof certain that Dems. ain't really Dems. anymore: the then head of the local ACLU, an N.S.A. operative, intimidated and turned away elected delegates and alternets, which I accidentally overheard. #2 proof: within a few days, all those elected by the delegates and alternets that day to go onto the platform committee, a justice and peace oriented group that was elected that day, were told by the Dem. County chair that he had dissovled their committee. #3 proof: massive disenfranchisem ent and intimidation of voters happened, following arrests of peaceful peace and justice activists at both the Dem. state convention and Dem. national convention in Denver. Did local/state Dem. party officials yell like hell re. any of the aforementioned? No way, Jose.
We should not vote for anyone on the ballot, until we've researched his/her prior actions vs. words. Yes, Greedy Old Partiers are guilty as hell of destroying our constitutional rights, rule of law, etc. evil etc.. But, tragic and then some, so are far too many Dems. in the pockets of the 1%ers.
For now we must get Dems runnimg for Congress to endorse the Budget For All. I have written my Congressman asking for it and when he responded without even mentioning it, I posted the question on his facebook page. It so happens he is in a tight race this year, but he is also a member of the Progressive Caucus. I will vote for him, but without an endorsement, I will support a Green or a Democratic challenger that will stand up and be counted as a Progressive.
The question is, should he then propose nothing? Or should he propose something that the public largely supports but the GOP leadership opposes? Either way he will be attacked, not just lightly but savagely. The problem here is that the public seems not to hold any of its beliefs very strongly, and the right's media blitz will likely peel off very large portions of that support.
The alternative is to let the GOP squawkers put their feet in their mouths with another major screw up. The problem here is that you are constantly playing just another sort of defense and not proposing anything positive. You are just hoping the clowns own hubris will do them in.
The clowns THRIVE on their own hubris. It makes for good theater. Unfortunately, many good people are confused by the sheer mass of counterpoint to the good ideas. You see what we're up against; just imagine what the Democratic senators and representatives are up against - and that includes, obviously, the President.
It's mind boggling, and in the end, we voters ARE the only hope for restoring anything - and we still have the actual election machines to worry about.
But most importantly, start the conversation with talking about the symptoms that all can see. Then start talking about what the symptoms reflect -- what the disease is. Then go big to the left of the public at large with a major education campaign, a reminder of American virtues of honesty and fair play alongside a direct repudiation of all the misinformation coming from the right.
A major campaign is not a potshot here and one there, demonstration on one topic this month and another one two months later. A major campaign is an ongoing, in your face effort that appeals to the deepest heartstrings and moral principles of people using every honest tool available.
If we want change, we'd better get serious about it.
Anything less is dilettante games playing and doomed to futility.
Billionaire Demagogue
I will vote straight Dem
SINCE HILARY WAS CORRECT - OBAMA LACKED EXPERIENCE - LITTLE HAS BEEN DONE TO RECTIFY THE DAMAGE DONE DURING THE BUSH YEARS. PLUS, IF YOU READ CONFIDENCE MEN YOU WILL FIND THAT OBAMA WANTS OTHERS TO PROPOSE THE SOLUTIONS FOR OUR PROBLEMS. SO WE HAVE A BUREAUCRACY THAT IS OUT OF CONTROL, EVEN DISREGARDING WHAT THE PRESIDENT MAY SAY HE WANTS FROM TIME TO TIME AND JUST DOING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. LARRY SUMMERS AND ERIC HOLDER BEING CASES IN POINT.
THE MAJOR, MAJOR PROBLEM IS THAT OBAMA IS INCOMPETENT, HAVING NO EXPERIENCE AT BEING AN EXECUTIVE.
In addition, re-electing a violator of his oath to support and defend the Constitution is more destruction to that already tattered document which gave our government the legitimacy it no longer has. Obama with congress have punched holes in our Bill of Rights. Together, they are ignoring our laws against torture and privacy. They have cut the legs from under our republic.
If Romney wins and the Republicans take over Congress they will: pass the Ryan budget destroying Medicare as we know it and probably will crash Social Security as well, will decrease regulation on the petroleum and financial industries, leading to more catastrophe, add another two conservative judges on the Supreme Court and then repeal Roe v Wade and countless other beneficial rulings for the working class, will repeal health care so that people could still be denied insurance when they get sick and the people with pre existing conditions will be out of luck, will continue to lower taxes for the rich and create larger deficits, will reduce funding for food stamps, for clean energy, for science, for global warming, for Pell Grants, will try to destroy unions, and will probably come up with some excuse to go to war. The list of destructive Republican policies goes on a long time but I can guarantee that they favor the very wealthiest. Their platform is now,” Donate to my campaign and I will make you wealthier.”
Some of you hate Obama but anything he has done will pale in comparison to what the Republicans will do.
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