Wolf writes: "In a five-four ruling this week, the supreme court decided that anyone can be strip-searched upon arrest for any offense, however minor, at any time. This horror show ruling joins two recent horror show laws..."
Portrait, author and activist Naomi Wolf, 10/19/11. (photo: Guardian UK)
Sexual Humiliation, a Tool to Control the Masses
06 April 12
n a five-four ruling this week, the supreme court decided that anyone can be strip-searched upon arrest for any offense, however minor, at any time. This horror show ruling joins two recent horror show laws: the NDAA, which lets anyone be arrested forever at any time, and HR 347, the "trespass bill", which gives you a 10-year sentence for protesting anywhere near someone with secret service protection. These criminalizations of being human follow, of course, the mini-uprising of the Occupy movement.
Is American strip-searching benign? The man who had brought the initial suit, Albert Florence, described having been told to "turn around. Squat and cough. Spread your cheeks." He said he felt humiliated: "It made me feel like less of a man."
In surreal reasoning, justice Anthony Kennedy explained that this ruling is necessary because the 9/11 bomber could have been stopped for speeding. How would strip searching him have prevented the attack? Did justice Kennedy imagine that plans to blow up the twin towers had been concealed in a body cavity? In still more bizarre non-logic, his and the other justices' decision rests on concerns about weapons and contraband in prison systems. But people under arrest – that is, who are not yet convicted – haven't been introduced into a prison population.
Our surveillance state shown considerable determination to intrude on citizens sexually. There's the sexual abuse of prisoners at Bagram – der Spiegel reports that "former inmates report incidents of … various forms of sexual humiliation. In some cases, an interrogator would place his penis along the face of the detainee while he was being questioned. Other inmates were raped with sticks or threatened with anal sex". There was the stripping of Bradley Manning is solitary confinement. And there's the policy set up after the story of the "underwear bomber" to grope US travelers genitally or else force them to go through a machine – made by a company, Rapiscan, owned by terror profiteer and former DHA czar Michael Chertoff – with images so vivid that it has been called the "pornoscanner".
Believe me: you don't want the state having the power to strip your clothes off. History shows that the use of forced nudity by a state that is descending into fascism is powerfully effective in controlling and subduing populations.
The political use of forced nudity by anti-democratic regimes is long established. Forcing people to undress is the first step in breaking down their sense of individuality and dignity and reinforcing their powerlessness. Enslaved women were sold naked on the blocks in the American south, and adolescent male slaves served young white ladies at table in the south, while they themselves were naked: their invisible humiliation was a trope for their emasculation. Jewish prisoners herded into concentration camps were stripped of clothing and photographed naked, as iconic images of that Holocaust reiterated.
One of the most terrifying moments for me when I visited Guantanamo prison in 2009 was seeing the way the architecture of the building positioned glass-fronted shower cubicles facing intentionally right into the central atrium – where young female guards stood watch over the forced nakedness of Muslim prisoners, who had no way to conceal themselves. Laws and rulings such as this are clearly designed to bring the conditions of Guantanamo, and abusive detention, home.
I have watched male police and TSA members standing by side by side salaciously observing women as they have been "patted down" in airports. I have experienced the weirdly phrased, sexually perverse intrusiveness of the state during an airport "pat-down", which is always phrased in the words of a steamy paperback ("do you have any sensitive areas? … I will use the back of my hands under your breasts …"). One of my Facebook commentators suggested, I think plausibly, that more women are about to be found liable for arrest for petty reasons (scarily enough, the TSA is advertising for more female officers).
I interviewed the equivalent of TSA workers in Britain and found that the genital groping that is obligatory in the US is illegal in Britain. I believe that the genital groping policy in America, too, is designed to psychologically habituate US citizens to a condition in which they are demeaned and sexually intruded upon by the state – at any moment.
The most terrifying phrase of all in the decision is justice Kennedy's striking use of the term "detainees" for "United States citizens under arrest". Some members of Occupy who were arrested in Los Angeles also reported having been referred to by police as such. Justice Kennedy's new use of what looks like a deliberate activation of that phrase is illuminating.
Ten years of association have given "detainee" the synonymous meaning in America as those to whom no rights apply – especially in prison. It has been long in use in America, habituating us to link it with a condition in which random Muslims far away may be stripped by the American state of any rights. Now the term – with its associations of "those to whom anything may be done" – is being deployed systematically in the direction of … any old American citizen.
Where are we headed? Why? These recent laws criminalizing protest, and giving local police – who, recall, are now infused with DHS money, military hardware and personnel – powers to terrify and traumatise people who have not gone through due process or trial, are being set up to work in concert with a see-all-all-the-time surveillance state. A facility is being set up in Utah by the NSA to monitor everything all the time: James Bamford wrote in Wired magazine that the new facility in Bluffdale, Utah, is being built, where the NSA will look at billions of emails, texts and phone calls. Similar legislation is being pushed forward in the UK.
With that Big Brother eye in place, working alongside these strip-search laws, – between the all-seeing data-mining technology and the terrifying police powers to sexually abuse and humiliate you at will – no one will need a formal coup to have a cowed and compliant citizenry. If you say anything controversial online or on the phone, will you face arrest and sexual humiliation?
Remember, you don't need to have done anything wrong to be arrested in America any longer. You can be arrested for walking your dog without a leash. The man who was forced to spread his buttocks was stopped for a driving infraction. I was told by an NYPD sergeant that "safety" issues allow the NYPD to make arrests at will. So nothing prevents thousands of Occupy protesters – if there will be any left after these laws start to bite – from being rounded up and stripped naked under intimidating conditions.
Why is this happening? I used to think the push was just led by those who profited from endless war and surveillance – but now I see the struggle as larger. As one internet advocate said to me: "There is a race against time: they realise the internet is a tool of empowerment that will work against their interests, and they need to race to turn it into a tool of control."
As Chris Hedges wrote in his riveting account of the NDAA: "There are now 1,271 government agencies and 1,931 private companies that work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States, the Washington Post reported in a 2010 series by Dana Priest and William M Arken. There are 854,000 people with top-secret security clearances, the reporters wrote, and in Washington, DC, and the surrounding area 33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2011."
This enormous new sector of the economy has a multi-billion-dollar vested interest in setting up a system to surveil, physically intimidate and prey upon the rest of American society.
Now they can do so by threatening to demean you sexually – a potent tool in the hands of any bully.
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Naomi is RIGHT. The whole purpose of perverts making these obscene laws is to rob humanity of every speck of personal dignity. Much easier to control totally spiritless zombies. Don't know about everybody else, but when TSA tried to strip-search our four-year-old, the answer was NO. Not on our lives. And, they backed off. Personally, I don't think any resistance is too "extreme."
Good for you for standing up for your 4-year-old.
You're wrong, wrknight. If we had an honest & forthright election system, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. We lost that a long time ago when the Dems foolishly helped Bush & the Repubs pass HAVA, the Help America Vote Act, which gave our govt & the states the right to force these fraudulent & corrupt e-voting machines down our throats.
Now no one has any real idea as to who they're really voting for when they press those buttons, do they? And, it's much worse when we're dealing with e-voting machines that don't supply us with any paper verification.
The American people have lost the only thing that they had left that would've enabled us to change our govt for the better, not just in Washington, but at the state level as well. Control of our electoral system.
We all need to wake up to reality! We've very little left of a Democracy in this country, & what little we do have left has become a facade.
Obama & the Congressional Dems have betrayed us ever since January of 2009. If Obama & the Congressional Dems have to win in Nov, it will be because they happen to be the lesser of two evils.
http://www.salon.com/2011/09/27/votinghack/
Go try and talk to your voter registrar or who ever is in charge of managing voting in your city/county...t hey are completely indoctrinated by the machine companies.
Even the paper back-up is facile...how can we be sure the official cast, tally and aggregation numbers, done electronically and usually via the internet are not corrupted?
Glad you brought up the issue of probably our most precious right Mr Menchar.
There are several problems here:
o There are some states that have laws that either require or allow a recount only if the difference between the candidates in the polling is less than a very tiny margin. Those people who can control the vote count either by internal programming or by access to the central tabulator can make sure that the difference is small enough to preclude a recount, and if a recount were taken, it would only be honest and accurate if every e-voting machine in the precinct supplied an accurate carbon copy of what each and every voter received when they cast their vote.
o If a recount is allowed and not all of the e-voting machines in a district supply a paper verification, then no honest recount is possible.
o No recount can use the internal numbers presented by the e-voting machines. Only a paper recount would be acceptable.
o Many states will allow a recount only if the individual running the show in that state allows it.
In short, no honest election is possible using e-voting machines.
From Glenn Greenwald:
"At oral argument, a lawyer for the Obama Justice Department told the Supreme Court that “[p]rotesters…w ho decide deliberately to get arrested… might be stopped by the police, they see the squad car behind them. They might have a gun or contraband in their car and think hey, I’m going to put that on my person, I just need to get it somewhere that is not going to be found during a patdown search, and then potentially they have the contraband with them.”
The Obama administration is siding with the prisons in the case and urging the court to allow a blanket policy for all inmates set to enter the general prison population.
“When you have a rule that treats everyone the same,” Justice Department lawyer Nicole A. Saharsky argued, “you don’t have folks that are singled out. You don’t have any security gaps.”
You can read his full blog comments here:
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/03/the_obama_doj_and_strip_searches/singleton/
Most Americans are woefully unprepared for the long hard struggle that will be necessary to take back our country, but we are fast learners, and there are many more of us than there are of them. If we will persevere, we will win at the end. Getting the young people involved is key, they have the strength and passion that will be needed, and they are fighting for their future. Getting involved in local politics is a good way to change policies in your town, but also to educate low-information voters that you live and work with. Grass-roots is the only way that we can create change, and if we refuse to back down we will be successful.
Have you ever been in a police station where perp's are brought?
Did the Arresting officers already do that at the scene?
I'm thinking you don't have a clue. I am probably wrong - I am very frequently wrong. Please explain!
Never assume that cops are sane or without a predatory or sadistic nature in spite of their training or a handful of decent people on the premises. Also, never assume agents in an airport are sane or don't get off on intimidating and embarrassing especially women.
In discussions on gun control I stated - it isn't the guns per se; it is the general psychosis of the nation. Simply insert cops or agents rather than guns.
Am sure this happens in other places as well... but it is symptomatic of the mentality of these 'entitled' cops and their ingrained power-hunger and disrespect for citizens. In Chicago, we have money for face shields and sophisticated military weaponry for cops to accost legal protestors, but no money for libraries.
Well you are WRONG AGAIN mate! Ms Klein has been arrested several times for asserting her 1st amendment rights, most recently for supporting and attempting to bring some on-the-street journalistic truth to the public on the "occupy" movement in New York.
Have YOU ever put your presence or body on the line against the "National Security State" or anything else (I have many times)?
You are mixing your perception of street thugs (which the increasingly militarized police are more and more resembling in their heavy armed almost omnipresence) with those who are trying to peacefully protest and the TRUE journalists who report on them from the front, as opposed to the highly paid, slick, soundbyte suits and status-quo ciphers who pose as news-bringers, feeding the mostly somnambulist population snippets of infotainment between commercials, from the safety of a well-appointed studio nowhere near the scenes of active populism, mostly avoided.
Like all reactionaries -including those who post on RSN, you use a broad, mono-colored brush to make your assumptions.
It's a VERY sad state of affairs and it will take generations to undo what has already been enacted. I'm petitioned out! It's all falling on deaf ears covered with mink earmuffs and the country is still going to hell in a hand basket.
Why don't you suggest this on Breitbart.com or on a GOP website rather than on an open progressive site?
Whenever someone suggests that everyone not vote, I assume heshe is working for the far right.
Why has this comment received negative votes? What did I say that offended?
This kind of silence is beyond criminal...
The people in power belong in jail, that's what it's come to.
And if most of us were reading about politics to understand what's going on, the far right take-over never would have happened. Bush never could have (stolen) the election if people had read about how he 'ran' the businesses his father's cronies invested in -- or what a f/u he was.
It is getting to the point of nothing to lose.
Quoting The Voice of Reason:
Please don't exaggerate!
Iran is indeed a repressive theocracy but this kind of rhetoric is just inflaming an already tense situation. Your description actually fits more closely to Saudi Arabia, one of the most Medievalist societies in the world with it's "Chop-chop square" in Riyadh where there are still PUBLIC executions and amputations -but they are "our bad guys" -as was Saddam Hussein's Baathist regime until he actually tried to become independent.
Indonesia -apart from Banda-Acheh in N.W. Sumatra-, is actually a benign Islamist Republic, as are Malaysia and some others.
And remember how the US overthrew any attempt at democratic change all over Latin America until recently and Iran in 1953? -And don't forget LIKUD!
Manipulation and convenient disregard for the most egregious brutality and repression for whatever the corporate world wants is the reality, which is why "occupy" is so necessary with good reporting from the street by true journalists like Ms Klein.
www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_exe-crime-executions
first is China with 470 executions per year, Iran 317 execution per year and USA 42 executions/year (if NOT counting thousands executed by US military in Iraq Freedom etc.)
Wonder if USraeli propaganda is counting dozens of executions of Iranian scientists "executed" by Mossad agents last year.
Death penalty is CRIME - and USA is part of this culture.
Texas.
^.^
Blaming everything on Jews, (or Muslims, or Fundamentalist Christians, or Inquisitional Catholics/Opus Dei cultists [like Santorum, Scalia, or Thomas?] or whatever group you are currently prejudiced against is not only bigoted, but also unhelpful and irrelevant to averting the demise of our democracy and our civil rights. ) We need everyone to work together to save our beleaguered democracy, not someone on a single-minded perverse personal crusade.
When the framers of the Constitution named the Supreme Court, they weren't joking. They were giving nine unelected bureaucrats the same Divine Right of Kings to issue edicts which could not be appealed, that the revolution against England had shed blood to rid us of.
The Counterrevoluti onary Constitution:
http://fubarandgrill.org/node/1085
When they gave impeachment power to Congress instead of to the people, the framers of the Constitution knew full well that the rulers of this country would never impeach themselves or their colleagues, as it would set a bad precedent and leave them all open to impeachment. I think Barbara Lee is possibly the only Member of Congress who never voted for war crimes, and would therefore be the only one of them not open to impeachment proceedings.
We're in this mess because people like wrknight keep delegating their power to government.
There is no greater apathy than delegating war powers, fiscal powers, and the power to use humiliation, torture, and violence to prevent public opinion from influencing government policy decisions, to a government over which voters have no control.
If you don't like the laws, don't blame the lawmakers, blame wrknight and all the other voters who authorize lawmakers to make and enforce whatever laws they wish. There is nothing on earth more apathetic than a US voter--they don't care what government does, as long as they can vote to authorize government to do whatever it wants.
Fortunately 50% of us don't vote. And of the other 50%, fewer than 10% of them approve of what the government is doing. If those voters would just stop voting for a government they don't like, the government could no longer claim the consent of the governed.
Don't vote! Boycott 2012! The first step in taking back this country is to stop giving it away. The half of us who don't vote know that if corporations spend billions marketing elections, they aren't healthy. The other half are probably Wal-Mart shoppers.
ALWAYS VOTE !
Vote for "NONE OF THE ABOVE" by writing it with pen on the ballot, (if need be).
This is just in-case you need to explain how come you were operating the Guillotine. Because you didn't seem to take your duties as citizen that serious, when you were asked (during the election).
the money wasted on one election cycle could staff schools, reopen libraries and provide medical care to those in need, which is pretty much everybody.
we need to participate in our government but not by voting, which is a sham meant to make you think you have some say. get out and protest. they can't arrest everyone. and absolutely- DON'T VOTE
The corporations give the political parties billions of dollars to get out the vote. Some of that money is spent hiring the political party operatives who troll the internet forums to help get out the vote and to smear anyone who suggests not voting.
Thanks to the government having rewarded corporations who outsourced factories, jobs, and entire industries, refused to mandate a living wage, and destroyed social safety nets, there are plenty of desperate people happy to earn a few bucks by helping the corporations get out the vote for tyranny and atrocities.
In fact the military, the intelligence agencies, the political parties, and the corporations themselves have cubicled offices full of such traitors just doing their capitalist jobs. I'm surprised that I didn't get even more negative marks--the corporations that spend billions of dollars getting out the vote for tyranny need to protect their investment against people like me who urge others to boycott their toxic products.
Some voting advocates say that this country is too big to allow for direct democracy. They seem to think that we're back in the days when representatives traveled months by covered wagon to get to the legislature. How they can believe that while posting to the internet is beyond me, but belief brooks no reality.
Others say that we the people are too busy for self-government , yet they pretend that they are not apathetic because they write, phone, fax, visit, and petition their legislators. With half that effort they could govern themselves.
Still others appear to believe that the act of being elected makes candidates more capable of governance than ordinary people. Yet most voters when surveyed in a Rasmussen poll, said they thought that people chosen at random from the phone book could do a better job than Congress. So which is it?
Here's a link to some of the most common excuses for voting, for delegating our responsibilitie s to people who don't give a damn about us, and my rebuttals:
http://fubarandgrill.org/node/1172
If you have an argument for voting that makes sense, please share it. I was a voter for most of my life, I'm 72, and if there was a good reason to vote, I'd go back to voting.
Voting is only one avenue, a very imperfect one to be sure, but a real one which can in some circumstances result in changes which help people. I was a Democratic candidate for the state legislature in 1978; I lost by a very slim margin. What we might have accomplished –– we had very big plans –– is uncertain, but even in defeat many people were energized to take a more active role in self-governance .
Twenty years later, I was elected to the high school district board and initiated a campaign to organize students to boycott the state's standardized tests. We were quite successful. Two of the three high schools recorded such a large boycott that the schools' scores were invalidated and people from around the country were encouraged to mount their own boycotts. Our success generated news stories in the New York Times and other major papers.
The impacts in the larger world were admittedly small but they were real. Had I not run, it would have been difficult to accomplish any of it.
I agree with you that voting in presidential elections is largely symbolic, at least for the individual. I agree that elections are electronically rigged. I agree that much of the time nothing changes. But sometimes it does.
And I also think that the principle –– that people should have the right to choose those who must weigh and decided –– should be kept alive.
Okay, I'll take you up on it.
First, I knew Obama was no starry eyed liberal before he ran. I read plenty of what he had written. He's good but I've read better. At most I would argue he is a little right of centrist. Pretty much hasn't changed since I voted for him.
Second, I did NOT like Clinton's "tough talk". I found it disturbing and it did not give me a comfortable feeling.
Third, in Texas, if you stick around after the primary, you get to take part in caucus! How awesome is that? It worked out to 2/3 Obama 1/3 Clinton. Cold at the time, but kinda fun (I live in rural Texas).
Fourth, whatever you say, voting DOES make a difference.
Fifth, Rasmussen - 'nuf said.
Sixth, the French did that one year and ended up with the ultra-right wing National Front's Jean-Marie Le Pen winning in the first round of elections - which stunned everyone. Protests went from 60,000 to quarter of a million against Le Pen's success. On May 1st between 900,000 to 1.3 million protested. On the day of the second vote posters "Vote for the Crook, not the Fascist" appeared. Chirac won by a landslide.
The last is my biggest reason.
It is the only way to instigate change in the United States without revolution.
EDIT: Ah, I get red marks because some want revolution?
Nobody who really wants to live would vote for a political party that claimed the right to assassinate them at will.
I have never voted for a Republican, but you have, genierae. When you voted for Al Gore and John Kerry, you were consenting to be governed by whoever took office, which happened to be a Republican in both cases. Your vote isn't your preference for the candidate or party you vote for, as you seem to think it is, your vote is your consent to be governed by whoever wins, be they Democrat or Republican.
Stop being apathetic. Withhold your consent until 1) the votes have to be counted, and 2) you can have a direct vote on policy issues, not just a vote to delegate policy decisions to people you can't hold accountable.
You're one of many Democrats who are happy with Obama's expanded wars, increased bailouts for the rich, and destruction of Constitutional rights and civil liberties, which you would have outraged you if a Republican had done the same things.
You are destroying this country with your ignorance and apathy. Stop voting for the capitalist war machine--it only benefits the wealthy and it hurts all the rest of us.
Not voting is consenting to be ruled by whoever wins, Democrat or Republican. By not voting, you have decided to let other people make those decisions for you. That is the ultimate expression of apathy.
I have never voted for a Republican. A Republican may have received the majority of votes, but I can discern the difference between the person of my choice losing and voting for a Republican. They are distinct as night and day.
Your sophistry is neither elegant nor particularly difficult to wade through - they are based on the childish notion that if you don't get your way, then you have lost.
That is not how our government works. It is not how it ever worked.
Our government works through give and take. We lose something here but gain something there. There has never been a Presidency that was all roses and no thorns. If you can find one, let me know.
Voting is the ONLY way toward peaceful change.
Incorrect.
Remaining as citizens of the United States is giving our consent (through the Constitution) that we abide by whoever wins in an election.
Not voting IS being apathetic. It relies on others making decisions. It does nothing to change the system.
Please explain how by doing NOTHING it will do ANYTHING to change the system?
I feel so discouraged. What can we possibly do?
I fear that if enough of us get out to protest the full force of our SS police force will be out to prevent us.
They will arrest us and if the prisons are filled they will open up concentration camps and force their sexually intrusive methods upon us.
Please, someone tell me there is hope or are we doomed to the pleasures of the corrupted SOBs who are now running this country.They are mad men ( and women) who must be destroyed.
Having said all this, I wonderd if they will come after me, arrest me and stiip search me for threatening those in power.
Consensual Political Intercourse
http://fubarandgrill.org/node/1035#comment-3158
Withdrawing our consent of the governed by not voting is legal, nonviolent, and effortless. We may not be able to stop the government from abusing us, but we are not required to consent to being abused.
Government can still abuse us even if we don't consent, but then it becomes a crime, not something that we ourselves authorized the government to do.
The government could still seat candidates even if there was only a 10% turnout in 2012, but nobody in the world would take them seriously, think that they had a mandate, or believe that they were chosen to carry out the will of the people.
People with any common sense at all don't gamble their rent money in rigged card games, or trust their country's future to rigged elections.
Some reasons for not voting:
http://fubarandgrill.org/node/1172
Yes, I know that the government can arrest, torture, or kill me at any time for no reason whatsoever, but as bad as that makes me feel, I'd feel even worse if I had voted to delegate to government the legitimate power and authority to do so.
There are numerous means of protest, which are effective and each citizen must find the protest they are comfortable with. For instance, more and more people are refusing to pay taxes.
It speaks volumes when folks do not vote. I, too, will not vote due to the corruption and the same reasons you offered. I do not support the federal government or its mercenary agencies throughout the world. Since we cannot actually participate in this elitist organization, why assume voting means anything at all, either.
No it doesn't - no one knows you didn't vote.
What speaks volumes is why people are DENIED the vote in the first place - because it actually DOES mean something.
You not voting means someone else is going to make the decision. You will have done zero, zip, nada to make any change (except possibly for the worse).
Abuse by the government is a crime whether or not you voted. Voting for a candidate with a proven track record of abuse is crazy, and it will result in more abuse, but the act of voting – especially for a third party candidate with a better record – does not constitute consent to abuse by the winner.
Who would you suggest as a third party candidate?
If the Egyptians and Tunisians had used the logic of your first question they would never have ousted their dictators. If our own founders had thought in the same defeatist way, we'd have remained under the rule of the British monarchy.
If you feel that the choice between the “lesser of two evils” (a “choice” that gets worse and more indistinguishab le every election) is the best way to go, fine. For me, a choice between the catastrophic and the apocalyptic isn’t a choice at all.
The two progressive candidates that I am most familiar with are Rocky Anderson (Justice Party) and Jill Stein (Green Party).
I believe that the United States can be whatever country it wants to be - we have that power. We can be the most progressive country on the planet if we so desire. Do not place me in the camp that desires the craptastic people running for office.
Unfortunately, we are still stuck with the patent reality that is is nigh impossible for a third party candidate to win. When it comes to an incumbent, people instinctively choose the one they know versus the one they don't. Thus my point about third party candidates. In this country, the best they can do is throw the election to the opposing side. They can not win until either the Democrats or the GOP disintegrate. One only has to read history to realize that.
I have no problems with either Rocky Anderson or Jill Stein. Feel free to vote for them. However, I am not being psychic when I say that they will not win.
For over 190 years the President has been either Republican or Democrat. The odds of a third party candidate garnering the the most electoral votes is so low as to be unlikely. George Wallace in 1968 received the most electoral votes in recent history as a third party candidate - 46. Total electoral votes in 1968: 538. Wallace, obviously, did not win.
I'm sorry, but the math, history, and the people of the U.S. do not make a third party win likely.
Nobody can predict when public opinion will change on third parties, but I don't know anyone who predicted OWS. It could be any time. All it takes is wider spread agreement about what constitutes a wasted vote -- on for a third party candidate or one for a major candidate with a track record of destroying the nation.
Incidentally, the first Republican president was Lincoln (1861) -- 150 years ago -- when it was a third party with an abolitionist platform.
Good point regarding Republican party (though it consisted mostly of former Whigs and Free Soil Democrats).
I don't consider any vote wasted. What I consider is "who will end up in the White House?". I would prefer Romney not end up in the White House - I do not see him doing anything but harming the United States.
For me voting for a third party does nothing - it makes no change to policies, it makes no change to the administration, it has zero effect. Voting third party may appeal to my ego, but beyond that - what?
EDIT: Okay, if you downgraded this comment, then explain... don't just drive by shoot. I have posted my opinion. Let's see yours.
Imagine yourself on a plane being hijacked and you just sit there and shiver from fear instead of seizing an opportunity to jump the hijacker and disarming them at probably some cost to you, but at least you may have saved the rest of the passengers.
Folks, we must stop this fear of what "they" can do to us, stand up and descent!
(Don't worry, I'll get "on-point" somewhere in this thread.)
(Cont'd)
When I was in junior high school English classes, almost all I did was sit in the back of the class and draw intricate pictures of the Starship Enterprise, the first one, NCC 1701(A); and of Frodo; and I hardly paid any attention to what was being taught. But, in the ensuing years, I've read a lot and paid attention to learning new words, how to spell correctly, to at least be a little bit better at knowing when to end a sentence and start a new paragraph (which clearly you have done as well), even though I know that I still don't write very well. There is nothing wrong with seeking to improve oneself on the use of the English language, instead of constantly expressing oneself badly (not you; I'm talking about others). Constantly improving oneself on all levels is a very good thing.
I remember an Iraq citizen who was asked to comment on Saddam Hussein and living in Iraq under the man. The fellow said he always paid heed to what his father told him, and we might want to follow the same advice: live your life, get educated, stay out of politics and mind your own business.
Reality is a bitch.
Emperors come and go, but the smartest among the subjects survive to live another day, along with their progeny. There is no shame in knowing when to keep your head down.
-- Jim Garrison
Please, instead of advocating this cowardly, narcissistic point of view, and encouraging others to irresponsibly think that way and end up failing to act when we most need to act, take to heart and have some loyalty to the supreme law of the U.S., the Constitution and its Declaration of Independence, joined to the Constitution and therefore just as much the supreme law of the land through the Constitution's Supremacy Clause:
"...(W)hen a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, IT IS THEIR DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..." (Capitalization emphasis added by me.)
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To do otherwise than what the Declaration and Constitution deliniates above is to be part of and responsible for horrific terror, suffering and mass-murder at the hands of "our" government overtaking the land. Sure, we may die as a result of fulfilling our duty to stand up against it, and it may appear that our deaths were supposedly "for nothing", but at least you will not have lived as a slave, not been responsible through your complacency and surrender to evil for the mass- terrorizing and suffering, and you will have died Truly Free!
To die as a coward who betrayed your fellow-humankin d, is the most ignominious death you can die, particularly with all of that suffering and blood on your hands. We've been led to believe in the past couple of generations that choosing cowardice is supposedly "okay", and that it's even "preferable", but that is one of the most ultimate in LIES! We are responsible for eachother; and we are NOT responsible for only ourselves! Only "looking out for number one" is another of those supreme lies, and is the ultimate in selfishness!
Do you think the mother of the little girl who was pepper sprayed in the face in Santa Monica is proud that her daughter was in pain? Wouldn't it have been better to leave her at home? That's what I am talking about. When to show and when to blow off the very real possibility of losing.
You throw the constitution out there as if it continues to have meaning for over 300 million people, conveniently forgetting it was written by the elites, and the decision to rebel was, also. Democracy, as I have said before is meant for a governing outline for a small population who will also participate in that governing process. Participation is not open to the average U.S. citizen.
Richard quotes Jim Garrison, who was commenting on an era now long gone. Jefferson, in many of his comments on revolution, was referring to France, not the U.S. The U.S. is a complicated mix of a very NON homogenous society. Each of these people deal with threats in different ways, and I challenge you to even attempt to organize them.
As I said, reality is a bitch, but to survive and fight one must live in that reality. Read The Art of War.
This isn't about 'organizing' disparate elements but about free people refusing to be enslaved. And, by the way, when I walked into Sproul Hall in 1964, knowing I might be arrested, my parents were worried. They wished I wouldn't do it. But the fact is that when a thousand students were willing to be arrested for free speech, the Free Speech Movement won, and this in turn helped inspire a student movement across America.
What you do has importance. It can inspire or discourage. I agree with you that the times are serious and dangerous. The risks in speaking out and in acting are real; the risks in failing to do so are catastrophic.
Germany, during the period you refer to was very much different than the U.S., even then, but most especially today. Europe, at large was not the U.S and is not the U.S.
If you will re-read what I have written, you will see that there is nothing against a type of protest. Each citizen must decide, though, how they approach protest in today's U.S. Forces are beyond most citizens. In spite of the brutality of the cops in Chicago in '68, cops have much more potential for brutality now, than then. There is a militarization of cops that was not true in the sixties, not to mention a growing standing military in the U.S., with the backing of the media and government. Citizens, should they choose to protest in the streets, must understand the chance they take as violence against them will grow. There are other means of protest, as I have written about in a couple of threads, but nevertheless, citizens who protest by any means, must accept the results.
I am not convinced, however, that the U.S. will experience a German type influence on citizens. Repression is coming through the back door, but not in the form of Nazis.
As I said to Richard, The U.S. is NOT the Germany of the 1930s. That is not to say our government is benign, but there is a difference. Germany did not have the communication system we do, nor did citizens have guns. They are a smaller country. (Have you ever read anything at all concerning the sadistic, masochistic, violent, and lascivious activities in Berlin and elsewhere, prior to the eventual takeover by Hitler and his people?)
On the other hand, have you ever been in a city where tanks and armed military are moving through the streets? Do you think U.S. citizens could withstand the technology and weaponry of today? They could not. Fear of such power is not passivity. It is recognizing reality. Sure, we could fight. But we could also lose.
I understand the frustration and feelings of helpless as local and federal government install more and more policies and laws, such as the strip search, but simply demonstrating in the streets will not stop it, and should those demonstrations accelerate, the hammer will come down and never think it won't.
Getting folks to fight back, who are hanging on to jobs in an attempt to raise children, maintain a healthy home, and all else related, also trying to GET a job, cannot jeopardize being injured or going to jail during their efforts and struggles. That is NOT passivity.
You've put in words, rather eloquently, what many of us feel & are unable to express.
Since 1980, there has been a systematic decimation of 2 centuries of rights that were hard fought & earned by the 99%.
The 1% now wishes to ensure that we never can raise our heads again & claim what rightfully belongs to the people.
I believe we must go thru a major economic & social upheaval to cleanse society of the concentration of power with the 1%.
The key word being TRYING... as in trying my patience.
Sexual humiliation is not exactly something to joke about. Shows a lack of sensitivity.
"BarbaraTodish?" is PURPOSEFULLY SEEKING to try our patience.
You,Max Demian, presume to speak for anothers' patience? If you have such an abundance of patience why did it take my few words to "try" your patience?
IMHO, all humiliation is TAKEN instead of given, if the so called "humiliation" is in words. Even if the "humiliation" is in action then whatver the action is, it is violence, instead of humiliation. As long as you survive you can ALWAYS be grateful for survival instead of ashamed of ANY ego "humiliation"!
You can be of the opinion that humiliation is given. Normal people don't think that way. Nor should they.
In your post, replace the word "humiliation" with the word "rape" and perhaps you might get a glimmer of why people find this "blame the victim" mentality to be repugnant.
I HAVE been sexually assaulted 4 separate times by four different acquaintances, and instead of being and remaining a victim, I have decided to retroactively "undo" the sexual assaults, by saying publicly that instead of sexually assaulting me, these men were sexually assaulting themselves! I have said that I used to take these sexual assaults too personally, that now I want more from those experiences than a victim identity. So I get comedy now out of that trauma because I realize that instead of using their penises, ALL men have their penises USE them when and if they use force! I also have written about how force, especially the pornification of force, uses us, whether we are male or female, or any combination of each, unless force is justified (which is only in ABSOLUTE IMMANENT issues of life and death!)
I am saying that any and all humiliation, victimhood, etc., is TAKEN instead of GIVEN. Normal to me is accepting stereotype as identity and limitation. IMHO "normal" is sheeple zombiedom!
When I had a conversation with him (as a Congressman) all he kept talking about was his wallet. His wallet this, his wallet that... he's toned it down a bit, but you can still hear it - it's all about his wallet.
Not about anyone else. As far as he is concerned, the U.S. consists of him and his wallet.
We might as well not exist.
Or maybe you think Obama, who sided with conservatives, here, is likely to nominate more justices that will oppose his future efforts to strip us of our privacy and civil rights?
I know it's hard to wrap our heads around the fact that Obama is not quite as bad as a republican, but it's true. Not as bad is better than as bad. Right now, we are up shit creek. Do want to deal with it strategically or emotionally?
I'd rather deal with it, which means I have to be a little cold about it and think strategically. I'm sorry if it rubs you the wrong way. It rubs me the wrong way as well. Being a passionate loser rubs me a lot worse.
When Bush was wrecking the country, all true liberals and the tribal Democrats joined together in opposing him. It would be the same if McCain or Romney were ever president.
But when Obama does horrific conservative, corporatist, and anti-liberal things, only true liberals oppose him... and that constitutes an unfortunate minority of people who vote with the Democrats. The majority of Democratic voters, liberals in name only, support Obama because he's a Democrat - no matter what he does - because he's head of the tribe. And their tribalism allows for Obama to harm this country in ways no Republican could ever dream of doing.
In the end, I'm probably going to vote for Romney, though I'd be happier seeing someone more extreme like Santorum win the White House. Ideally, we'd have someone so obviously devoted to conservative ideology that the left wing of the country would actually reunite against him. This would prevent much of his agenda from happening over the next four years, and would increase the odds (from near zero, if Obama's reelected) of the Dems nominating a true liberal in 2016.
Finally, my sole reason for considering voting again for Obama - that he would nominate liberal justices to the Supreme Court (which we obviously need to happen) - has been shaken by this Florence case, and a string of others before, where Obama and his DOJ have argued for decreased transparency and accountability for government and decreased privacy and civil rights for the rest of us.
Eventually, we won't have any rights left to fight WITH. Notice, I'm no longer talking about rights to fight "for". I'm talking about the rights that are necessary to have any say without a violent revolution: Freedom of Assembly, Speech, etc.
Once those are gone, THEY'RE GONE FOREVER.
The fact is that extreme radical politicians are almost NEVER followed by the opposite extreme. They are ALMOST ALWAYS (in peaceful elections without a revolution) followed by a moderate.
Case in point: bush followed by Obama.
If we let another far right loon take over (assume democratic elections actually continue four years later), the next guy would be, YES ANOTHER OBAMA.
Also, I did NOT say that the bankers were and/or are communists; so there you go again making completely unwarranted presumptions about me. But, they are NOT "right-wing" unless left-wing fascism has truly, and accurately, been made "right-wing" today. And, DUH to "(t)he marriage of government and business is by definition fascism"! So, NO, I do NOT have the wrong definition. Truly, fully and completely study it out, Richard, et alii. Unless fascism has accurately been made to be "right-wing" today, which i content it has NOT, fascism has always historically been left-wing; and so has communism. That IS a fact. So, it is you and your ilk who believe that fascism is supposedly "right-wing", who have the wrong definition(s).
The bankers, or at least the one's who pull the strings of corporate-fasci sm as a whole, the puppet-masters of the entire globalist scheme, ARE neo-liberals; and, if you and your ilk would truly, fully and completely study that out, and totally stop listening to the propaganda that you have been so successfully indoctrinated and conditioned with, you would find that out as I have. And, NO, I am no longer indoctrinated and conditioned by false propaganda myself anymore, AT ALL.
Bush started wars of aggression based on lies. Obama expanded those wars and started several new wars. Does that make Obama more moderate than Bush?
Bush gave bailouts to the banksters. Obama expanded those bailouts. Does that make Obama more moderate than Bush?
Bush said the Constitution was just a goddamned piece of paper. Obama took away the Constitutional right to due process and claims the right to arrest and assassinate people at will. Does that make Obama more moderate than Bush?
The two major parties do take turns in office, just to make people think that there's a difference, but the policies continue to get worse no matter which party is in power.
In European countries where they have proportional representation and actual parties that claim to be of the left, such as Communist, Socialist, Labor, and Green parties with seats in parliament, the US Democratic Party would be considered a party of the far right.
The only way to change things nonviolently is to withhold our consent and stop voting until we can establish a more democratic system where votes are actually counted and we have a real voice in policy decisions.
And please look of the dictionary definition of moderate. Moderates don't assassinate people without due process. Obama, like Bush before him, is a bloodthirsty tyrant, not a moderate.
NOTHING will change by not voting: it only means you are relinquishing your rights to someone else. Voting is not an act of consent: by being an American you have already consented to be ruled by the majority (i.e. the Constitution). There IS not alternative aside from a Constitutional Convention to rewrite the Constitution.
The ONLY way you can change things non-violently is TO VOTE.
How is he a sellout? Did you ever read anything he wrote prior to running? I did. Surprisingly, not a whole lot of difference.
Am I disappointed that he wasn't more liberal? No, because I knew what he was before he ran.
Folks that think Obama is a "sell-out" were under this misunderstandin g the Obama was a liberal. He never was a liberal. At best I pegged him slightly right of center prior to running. Today he is still slightly right of center.
Just because you are disappointed that he isn't what you imagined him to be doesn't make him a sellout. It merely means you misunderstood what he was.
decision is just one more step in that direction.
I don't know that I'd agree with the advice of one writer to boycott elections. If you question how the votes are counted join a group that pursues election integrity, and call for an investigation if irregularities appear to have occurred.
If you are concerned about what is going on at our airports, I urge you to watch a YouTube with Jesse Ventura who sued the TSA in federal district court. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE04WIB9V10&feature=player_embedded
He says we have become the fascist states of America, nor longer the United States of America.
He will no longer fly commercially.
When the courts become a tool of the state, then we are mirroring what happened in Nazi Germany, plain and simple. If you haven't seen the film, "The Final Days of Sophie Scholl," you need to watch it. Takes place in 1943 in Nazi Germany based on a true story. The parallels with what is happening in our country now are eerie. WAKE UP AMERICANS!
Let's all take a pledge or give ourselves
a pledge to remain where we are (planted)! Let's begin to grow and/or as Voltaire said "tend our own gardens"! We can even start real gardens or if without land, help cultivate cooperative
gardens so instead of cultivating "CULT"ure that is mostly made up of COMMERCIAL (read LIMITED art(ARTIFICIAL- non functional-) ego and drama and pornification of force, we cultivate the land which is real and yields a needed product- food!
self, a constructed social,cultural
IDENTITY "self" that actually, physically and most of all IMMANENTLY NEEDS SELF as opposed to IDENTITY defense!
I'm sorry, "Saxifrages" that it does absolutely no good for me to apologize to you for what you went through, but I am nevertheless SO VERY SORRY for what you endured. And what you went through is far more widespread than most "Americans" want to believe. In fact, it's gotten to the point where if this kind of treatment, or worse, doesn't happen to someone, they are the exception not the rule; when it should of course be the opposite. The entire U.S. society is going completely insane on an express train to hell; and, I'm very sad to say, it is only going to get worse, much worse.
Dear God, please help us all! Please protect people such as "Saxifrages"; like you clearly DID protect her whether it is apparent or not; since what happened to her could have been far worse. Thank you, Lord.
I mean could we spread our buttocks BEFORE being asked to do so? Sorry, bad joke, but face it we've got to get ahead of the people who are doing this. We do know they have no sense of humor. So I'm starting a movement - SPREAD FOR FREEDOM (SFF). We're starting by meeting behind closed doors of course - to PRACTICE. Oops, sorry again. That's already happening in thousands of homes across America. So okay all of you out there who are already spreading, become CONSCIOUS of what you're doing, and why. It's for a free future, a free America!
lets recall why the US has been so terribly perverted in its judicial system. The biggest victory for an enemy is a vanquished debasing himself. He sure is successful! What is the US going to do about this disgrace? If not even an Obama can rescind these inhuman methods?
Which suggests that the real problem, here, is the tribalistic blindness that keeps the majority of Democrats in his thrall, no matter what crimes against their principles he commits.
dirty, I mean real dirt, in all the cavities. Don't shower, don't wash, especially when traveling by plane. Don't change underwear, let the crud accumulate. In other words start stinking. That'll teach 'em. So I'm starting a movement - Start Stinking Bad (SSB) - to counteract cavity searches. I realize millions of people already stink, so let's encourage those people to travel. The SSB slogan for this is If You Stink, Travel! And don't you think I'm kidding either!
Peaceful revolution, but sadly I do not think it will be nearly sufficient to turn this rapidly declining fascist corporatocracy around.
Talk to people, discuss, spread information. Organize ! Run good people in primaries, get so many people out to vote that cheating doesn't matter ! Be inspired by how people have fought back in Wisconsin !
political party's POOLS OF FOOLS: recruited, vetted, groomed can(not)didates , lets all do a write-in vote for the funniest commedian to lead us, in laughter, to internment! Let's all WANT to be interned so that all the real HUMOR WILL be locked up and the 1% will find themselves LOCKED out of humor, at least until and if the 1% ever find their lost sense of humor and then decide to either let us out of internment camps or join us for the entertainment we give ourselves! lol
Nice to know someone cares! since I am going to die anyway, I don't see the point of being a cowardly or ignorant sheeple. If they come for me, I will just be crossing the Great River that much sooner-and this is not a place that I have much enjoyed during my lifetime so-bring it on!
Hey Sully, Don't you already KNOW that you can run, but you cannot hide?! Even so, Come quickly, Lord!
“With that Big Brother eye in place, working alongside these strip-search laws..."
the harrowing image below immediately burbled up to me. But first, some words as introduction to this grapic/poster from Edwin Black:
"(Dehomag) created two surrealistic promotional posters. One…depicted an odious eye floating in the sky projecting a punch card over everything below. The caption read: “See everything with Hollerith punch cards.” No one could escape. This was something new for mankind. Never before had so many people been identified so precisely, so silently, so quickly, and with such far-reaching consequences."
http://www.adbranch.com/how-ibm-helped-automate-the-nazi-death-machine/ibm_hollerrith_punchcards_1934/
(I send this at near 'soul's midnight,' 3:30 AM, April 7, 2012)
"First one who says Nazi or Hitler loses"
So, no, not really a good meme...
Certainly it is legally sexual abuse if it is of a minor or an elder. SUSPICION of sexual abuse of either is justly "reportable".
And abusive touching of those between 18 and 65 years of age might legally be considered "dependent adult abuse", since the traveler is forced into TSA's "care". Hence it is arguably reportable.
Make sure it happens, if it does, in public. Fill the "protective services" of your or any county with these reports till they must resort to the courts to resolve them. Demand that your report be resolved according to law. The county is mandated to forward your report to the county protective services of the county in which the suspected abuse occurred. Don't let anyone tell you that government employees are above abuse law!
Stick up for minors and elders if you see them abused. They will at some point thank you for it rather than feel humiliated.
--a licensed psychotherapist
Operation Gandhi:
Step 1: Sit down and get arrested
peacefully
Step 2: When released, repeat Step 1
Where will they put all these people?
Guantanamo?
Concentration Camps?
(Google Gandhi and see how it worked for him.)
destroy our life style.
Did they win???????
The 911 terrorists were NOT who the media tells you they were and yes, the terrorists have , so far, won. Welkommen to the Fascist GSA (Geheim Staats of Amerikka) Papiers, bitte; squat and spread!
Remember-
Ultimately, fear destroys the fearful, NOT the feared!
We need one million signatures to sway members of Congress.. It is an election year, so this might do it. Here is the petition. Please circulate it. Many thanks
http://signon.org/sign/pass-the-due-process
and yes Diebold voting machines assured the Wave of Takeover (Folks , Wake up; Our Government has already been 'taken over' by those who have then destroyed the very Rule of Law (PROVEN by theses 'recent trashings' of our Constitutional Rights)
The President, Majority of Both Houses of Congress and Majority of Supreme Court Justices..... no longer represent We The People.
Who, I ask you, are The Real Terrorists?
The U S population may be Dumb, Disconnected and Distracted, but it has gone way beyond this; and way beyond 'write your representative' or 'vote for the other guy'.
The Bullies have taken over the ship, and are making a Mockery of the Navigation, Steering and Self -Correction Software, originally designed to Correct/Alter our National Courses. The Infiltration is Profound, using 911, which They perpetrated, to both justify it all, and fool certain ('successfully frightened') Dummies among us to do the actual dirty work (at the airports, Dept of HS, CIA, within Government etc.
We all knew that instinctively.
When the development stagnated, democracies had developed to the state of occurring only one day out of all the years an elected official can remain in office before the next election is called. The rest of the days in those terms of office, the official can be as officious and self-serving as they want, as long as they stay in the grey area between illegal and unethical or immoral.
It took blood to achieve the Magna Carta. It took blood to break away from Britain. It took blood to quell the racism of slavery. Does anyone think the present power the 1% is addicted to can be changed by peaceful means. Mandela did it in South Africa, but the regime there did not have the CIA, the FBI and all the new brown shirt agencies Washington has spawned.
Would a new party swing it? Say a party of the 99%, based on nothing but word of mouth and free press (RSN and the web are the only free press in North America and the 1% (the feds) are after control of the web.) Oh and maybe the BBC in the UK and the CBC in Canada but the dismantling of the CBC has begun.
Except WE are government. We can change it anytime we want to. We can make it as left-wing or right-wing as we want it.
This fiction of the "dumbed down masses" and being "made powerless" - doesn't exist. This is the kind of meme created by those who are frustrated that change doesn't happen in 15 minutes.
Some of the folks here were not around when schools were segregated, when whites and blacks didn't mingle, when the thought of a Catholic President sent the willies down ones spine. If you had told me we would have an African American as President IN MY LIFETIME I would have laughed.
The fiction is that we are powerless. We are not.
The fiction is that we have no voice. We do.
The fiction is that we are dumb. We are not.
The more people write like this the angrier I get. I have seen great social change in my life. I expect to see much more. We the People are not dumb, or powerless, or incapable - YOU may be, but WE are not.
We can make change, for the better. If you don't want to help us, then we'll get someone who does. I believe in the People of the United States. We are strong, we are capable, and we are not stupid. Go push your fiction on someone else.
We've got things to do.
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So, why is all of this true? Because they have been dumbed-down! THAT'S A FACT, whether you like it or not. I truly wish it wasn't so, but it IS, and I just, evidently unlike you, totally face reality. If they weren't, the vast majority of the population would have already risen up and taken their government and country back. Perhaps they still will, if it isn't too late, but I doubt it. Again, I wish I was completely wrong; but, very sadly and unfortunately, I am not. For instance, the more that the Occupy movement rises up, the more repressive the government's going to get, and bring out more and more of the big artillery to suppress the movement, to kill it in its tracks; and they don't care how many people they come to literally kill in the process. Also, they will just lock up more and more people, and hold them longer and longer. You think there isn't enough jail space? Well, that's where you're wrong, too. They have secret prisons, better known as concentration camps, all over this country, in every state in the Union, including Alaska and Hawaii; and, when things get "too revolutionary" and/or "ugly", the government will just begin taking people to them; and, eventually, people will never get out of them, and will just "disappear". That's how bad things have already gotten to be; and, again, I'm just totally facing reality.
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Your saying it does not make it a "fact", it merely makes it an opinion. My opinion is far more optimistic, brighter, and seems to have a kinder view towards people.
A dark, morose, and fatalistic view gets us nowhere. It says nothing can be done so don't even bother trying.
An optimistic view says we CAN make changes. We just have to get off our butts.
Yes, there are obstacles. Welcome to life. But WE can overcome them if we our our minds to it.
[Interjection: Since you evidently don't understand what "dumbed-down" means, it does not necessarily mean that people who are dumbed-down are "dumb" per se. Many of them are highly educated people, but they're still dumbed-down because they're indoctrinated and conditioned, they've been greatly falsely educated and brainwashed, and because even with all of that education they still live in deep avoidance and denial of politics, what's really going on, and about their responsibility( ies) and duty(ies) to be vigilant to tyranny and despotism, and to stand up against it. They are what the Christian musician, John Michael Talbot calls, "educated fools". Most of those "educated fools" just sit back and let our country be destroyed, and really believe that they're doing the right thing by doing so. That is mass-insanity. Most "Americans", like yourself(ves), live in a fantasy world. They really believe, even after all of the evidence has been shown them to the contrary, that their vote(s) will stop the slide into fascism, that the real problems supposedly aren't caused by the government itself, and they believe the lies of government, or very soon will do so more and more, that we're supposedly surrounded by white, Anglo-Saxon, American-citize n "terrorists", and that the government is only right to go after those who they believe are "terrorists", but that are mostly nothing more than completely innocent, non-violent Americans like myself.]
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Unlike you, I study every day about what's really going on; and, because you and your ilk are almost completely and willfully ignorant of what's really going on and how really bad it is, you have little or no idea of just how severe and dire the situation truly is. Once more, of course I wish I was completely wrong! PROVE me wrong. I want to be wrong, believe me. But you can't PROVE me wrong. You can ONLY give me your "beliefs" as so-called "proof" that I'm wrong. You cannot truly PROVE it. You heavily and/or very deeply live in avoidance and denial like most "Americans"; and, therefore, all you can give as so-called "proof" is more avoidance and denial, rationalization s, and attacks against me and my "kind". Again, PROVE me wrong. But no attacks against my character, rationalization s, and/or further denial and avoidance of the facts, WHATSOEVER (if you can, which I don't believe that you can). You apparently don't want to completely wake up to what's really going on and how extremely bad it is; and, if your response(s) to my comment(s) is and/or are any indication, which I believe that it is, and/or they are, you probably never will totally face just how literally "grave" the situation really is. Why? Because you will probably never go and study it out for yourself, and will continue to bury your head in the sand like most "Americans" do.
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Furthermore, what are YOU doing to truly stand up against this madness? Are you ready and willing to die very soon for defending liberty and freedom? Because, that's what you have to be willing to do right now in order to truly do so. But I doubt very much that you are ready, willing and able to do that, and that you ever will be. You talk a good talk, and you write a well-written blurb, in criticism and ad hominem attack, but I see right through you to your spinelessness. What am I doing, you ask? I will probably be taken away and murdered by the government very soon, that's how much I am doing; completely non-violently and with nothing but an anti-violence stand. I have already been unconstitutiona lly visited by DHS for being "framed" with a totally false non-judicial "charge" and been served with a completely unconstitutiona l federal "restraining order" not to make any contact with a federal government agency in my entire state, except for one entrapping department of that agency (which I have not and will not fall for or contact in any way). I will also probably be visited by them again very soon, even though it has been six years since I was visited by them the first time. Why? Because I continue to unflinchingly stand up liberty and freedom, and human and civil rights, that's why.
(Cont'd)
(And, in case you're tempted to think that I'm an isolated case, think again. Millions of completely innocent Americans like myself are being visited by the feds.)
(Cont'd)
Have you been visited by DHS? And/or, for your (so-called?) stand for human and civil rights, and liberty and freedom, are you very likely to be visited by them (again?) very soon? Are you, as I very likely am just due to that one visit of myself alone, even though I truly did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong (I don't even own any firearms, never have owned any in my entire life; and, because of my religiousness, I don't believe in them FOR MYSELF, nor do I believe in ANY violence WHATSOEVER), on "terrorist" watch lists and/or the "No-Fly List"? (I haven't "tested" whether I am or not, because I haven't flown since 1996; and, as long as TSA is violating the human rights and civil liberties of flyers, I won't be flying or finding out whether I'm on the list(s) or not either.) Are you, other than in comments threads, being monitored and having your Fourth Amendment rights to privacy violated as I likely am for doing absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever, or for doing absolutely nothing righteously illegal under any law(s) that is and/or are constitutional? Are you specifically being falsely and fraudulently treated and/or targeted as being a so-called "threat", as I am, for doing nothing but constitutionall y and non-violently standing up human rights and civil liberties, and liberty and freedom?
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None of this is to be interpreted that I'm in any way "bragging" about my insufficient stand for human and civil rights, and liberty and freedom. I don't "want" to be taken away, or to "commit suicide by cop". I DON'T want any of that to happen, or anything bad to happen to me, at the hands of the government. But I will not be a coward either, or traitorously sit idly by while "our" country is being turned into a totalitarian corporate-fasci st militarized police state, as it IS being turned into right now, without continuing to speak out unflinchingly against it. So, if I am taken away and/or murdered by the government for being nothing but a non-violent True American Patriot, and for doing nothing but non-violently standing for liberty and freedom, and human rights and civil liberties, then so be it. Can you truly say the same? I doubt it. You may march in protests, and you may have been arrested, but by and large I'd likely safely bet that you avoid like the plague anything and everything in the way of truly standing for human and civil rights, and liberty and freedom, that gets you much "on the radar" of the government. Again, am I wrong; and I want to be proven wrong; about and/or at least on some of what I've said? But please don't take me up on the "challenge" with false "proof" that I'm supposedly "wrong", and/or mis- or over- representing what you allegedly do to stand up for liberty and freedom, and human rights and civil liberties, etc.
Actually it sounds a lot like you are bragging.
(cut out more "murdered by the government" hyperbole)
Quoting Max Demian:
My god I hope I NEVER say the same! If I do, I would ask that my physician put me on medication.
Quoting Max Demian:
I offer no proof whatsoever because most likely you would not agree it to be such.
I can only offer what I believe to be true. If you disagree, that is your privilege.
I do not believe that pushing a narrative that is filled with darkness and despair helps anyone, much less get others agreeing to your cause. You have to push a positive narrative. One based on hope, not despair. One based on ability, not hopelessness. One based on love, not hate.
That's my opinion.
No. Nor is that a badge of honor. Sticking your hand in a fire ants nest will just get you stung and won't impress the fire ants one bit.
Quoting Max Demian:
No, because it is impossible to change things when you are dead (if we follow that the U.S. is interested in killing you to keep you quiet).
Quoting Max Demian:
Oh, I believe in guns. Don't own any, but I believe they will kill you dead. As I say, I'm a pacifist.
Quoting Max Demian:
Only on Facebook.
Quoting Max Demian:
What does this have to do with the price of milk? Something that happened six years ago?
Since it is your opinion that I live in a world of self-delusion, nothing I say will change your opinion.
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Again, your opinion. Are you willing to walk around with a cardboard sign saying "The End is Nigh"?
Quoting Max Demian:
Yeah, marching in the 60's surrounded by police with guns was certainly a spineless thing to do.
Quoting Max Demian:
Actually, didn't ask. Don't really care.
Quoting Max Demian:
Ah. I've been non-violent since the 60's and am a pacifist to boot. I'd go into how I live an agrarian life-style, low-carbon footprint, etc. but that would just bore you.
You have no idea what I do every day.
Quoting Max Demian:
Again, you do not know whether or not I am ignorant. More bad assumptions.
Quoting Max Demian:
So far you have not offered proof, you have offered opinion. Because I have a differing opinion does not make it wrong - it merely make it my opinion. Feel free to disagree - that's your right.
You need to discern the difference between opinion and fact. Offering up an opinion does not make it fact.
Sorry, but your "belief" of what it means stands in stark contrast as to what the majority understand it to mean. Dumbed down actually means lowering intellectual content (as in the news is "dumbed down").
As for "fascism" perhaps you might want to look the word up. This country is not sliding into fascism. Is it right of center? Most assuredly. Does it have a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology? No.
"...Get... behind (Jesus the Christ), Satan[ist(s)].. ."! "...You are of your father the devil, and the lies of your father you (perpetrate)... "! [Matthew 16:23 and John 8:44; etc.; emphasis and/or clarification(s ) added by me.]
That is your opinion. In reality, I read it and reread it to pull out the salient parts. That you have a negative view about the citizens of this country and what they can do.
Nor do I buy that they believe they are powerless - I believe that in your opinion YOU believe that, but I don't believe people in the United States do. I talk to a lot of people from different parts of the country. They are neither stupid nor think they are powerless.
In other words my reality testing doesn't match your assumptions or opinions.
You are welcome to your opinions, but do not be surprised if not everyone agrees with them.
We as citizens may be able to slow the transition somewhat but history teaches us that these changes are inevitable and irreversible. Those with power, like those with wealth, never have enough. They are never satiated. They can never have too much.
The means and methods of control by this government over its citizenry have never been more authoritarian and the individual never been more insignificant.
Too many Americans have been entertained and lobotomized by the modern gladiatorial games while at the same time being divided by religion, class division, fear of the Other, wage slavery, and overwhelming indebtedness.
The politicians merely fight over who will divide the spoils not what is best for the people.
Strip searches are an excellent means of behavioral control. Big Brother says, "Obey or strip. You are free to choose." And isn't that what freedom is all about?
Thank you, Naomi. Please keep up the great work.
it is the price we have to pay for the high standard of living we enjoy. It cannot work any other way and I defy anyone on this planet to deny me.Accept that we are all being shafted by our modern creation of consumerism which requires bullying and control of the next generation of "customers"and which will eventually culminate in having a "cull" somewhere down the road and global slavery.Hold on to your boxer shorts.
Or how about STARK? As in stark naked?
The abuses and size of government have both grown unchecked, but if growth had been, for example, in infrastructure improvements for green technology (jobs, energy independence, cleaner environment...) , medicare for all, and white collar cops that kept the banker frauds from destroying the economy (or at least gave them consequences for their criminal destruction) instead of going toward war, bailouts, spying on Americans (on a massive scale), corporate welfare... then the size would be to the benefit, rather than the detriment of society.
I completely agree, though, that the problem is that government has been left unchecked and now it’s grown out of control to the point that it is of the government, by the government, for the government (with ‘corporations’ being synonymous with ‘government’).
It is AMERICA, AMERICA - land of paranoid greedy yuppies - police state.
This is exactly what the German Nazi's did to the Jews before putting them in concentration camps and gassing them.
This IS exactly where this country is heading.
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