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Wolf writes: "In a five-four ruling this week, the supreme court decided that anyone can be strip-searched upon arrest for any offense, however minor, at any time. This horror show ruling joins two recent horror show laws..."

Portrait, author and activist Naomi Wolf, 10/19/11. (photo: Guardian UK)
Portrait, author and activist Naomi Wolf, 10/19/11. (photo: Guardian UK)



Sexual Humiliation, a Tool to Control the Masses

By Naomi Wolf, Guardian UK

06 April 12

 

n a five-four ruling this week, the supreme court decided that anyone can be strip-searched upon arrest for any offense, however minor, at any time. This horror show ruling joins two recent horror show laws: the NDAA, which lets anyone be arrested forever at any time, and HR 347, the "trespass bill", which gives you a 10-year sentence for protesting anywhere near someone with secret service protection. These criminalizations of being human follow, of course, the mini-uprising of the Occupy movement.

Is American strip-searching benign? The man who had brought the initial suit, Albert Florence, described having been told to "turn around. Squat and cough. Spread your cheeks." He said he felt humiliated: "It made me feel like less of a man."

In surreal reasoning, justice Anthony Kennedy explained that this ruling is necessary because the 9/11 bomber could have been stopped for speeding. How would strip searching him have prevented the attack? Did justice Kennedy imagine that plans to blow up the twin towers had been concealed in a body cavity? In still more bizarre non-logic, his and the other justices' decision rests on concerns about weapons and contraband in prison systems. But people under arrest – that is, who are not yet convicted – haven't been introduced into a prison population.

Our surveillance state shown considerable determination to intrude on citizens sexually. There's the sexual abuse of prisoners at Bagram – der Spiegel reports that "former inmates report incidents of … various forms of sexual humiliation. In some cases, an interrogator would place his penis along the face of the detainee while he was being questioned. Other inmates were raped with sticks or threatened with anal sex". There was the stripping of Bradley Manning is solitary confinement. And there's the policy set up after the story of the "underwear bomber" to grope US travelers genitally or else force them to go through a machine – made by a company, Rapiscan, owned by terror profiteer and former DHA czar Michael Chertoff – with images so vivid that it has been called the "pornoscanner".

Believe me: you don't want the state having the power to strip your clothes off. History shows that the use of forced nudity by a state that is descending into fascism is powerfully effective in controlling and subduing populations.

The political use of forced nudity by anti-democratic regimes is long established. Forcing people to undress is the first step in breaking down their sense of individuality and dignity and reinforcing their powerlessness. Enslaved women were sold naked on the blocks in the American south, and adolescent male slaves served young white ladies at table in the south, while they themselves were naked: their invisible humiliation was a trope for their emasculation. Jewish prisoners herded into concentration camps were stripped of clothing and photographed naked, as iconic images of that Holocaust reiterated.

One of the most terrifying moments for me when I visited Guantanamo prison in 2009 was seeing the way the architecture of the building positioned glass-fronted shower cubicles facing intentionally right into the central atrium – where young female guards stood watch over the forced nakedness of Muslim prisoners, who had no way to conceal themselves. Laws and rulings such as this are clearly designed to bring the conditions of Guantanamo, and abusive detention, home.

I have watched male police and TSA members standing by side by side salaciously observing women as they have been "patted down" in airports. I have experienced the weirdly phrased, sexually perverse intrusiveness of the state during an airport "pat-down", which is always phrased in the words of a steamy paperback ("do you have any sensitive areas? … I will use the back of my hands under your breasts …"). One of my Facebook commentators suggested, I think plausibly, that more women are about to be found liable for arrest for petty reasons (scarily enough, the TSA is advertising for more female officers).

I interviewed the equivalent of TSA workers in Britain and found that the genital groping that is obligatory in the US is illegal in Britain. I believe that the genital groping policy in America, too, is designed to psychologically habituate US citizens to a condition in which they are demeaned and sexually intruded upon by the state – at any moment.

The most terrifying phrase of all in the decision is justice Kennedy's striking use of the term "detainees" for "United States citizens under arrest". Some members of Occupy who were arrested in Los Angeles also reported having been referred to by police as such. Justice Kennedy's new use of what looks like a deliberate activation of that phrase is illuminating.

Ten years of association have given "detainee" the synonymous meaning in America as those to whom no rights apply – especially in prison. It has been long in use in America, habituating us to link it with a condition in which random Muslims far away may be stripped by the American state of any rights. Now the term – with its associations of "those to whom anything may be done" – is being deployed systematically in the direction of … any old American citizen.

Where are we headed? Why? These recent laws criminalizing protest, and giving local police – who, recall, are now infused with DHS money, military hardware and personnel – powers to terrify and traumatise people who have not gone through due process or trial, are being set up to work in concert with a see-all-all-the-time surveillance state. A facility is being set up in Utah by the NSA to monitor everything all the time: James Bamford wrote in Wired magazine that the new facility in Bluffdale, Utah, is being built, where the NSA will look at billions of emails, texts and phone calls. Similar legislation is being pushed forward in the UK.

With that Big Brother eye in place, working alongside these strip-search laws, – between the all-seeing data-mining technology and the terrifying police powers to sexually abuse and humiliate you at will – no one will need a formal coup to have a cowed and compliant citizenry. If you say anything controversial online or on the phone, will you face arrest and sexual humiliation?

Remember, you don't need to have done anything wrong to be arrested in America any longer. You can be arrested for walking your dog without a leash. The man who was forced to spread his buttocks was stopped for a driving infraction. I was told by an NYPD sergeant that "safety" issues allow the NYPD to make arrests at will. So nothing prevents thousands of Occupy protesters – if there will be any left after these laws start to bite – from being rounded up and stripped naked under intimidating conditions.

Why is this happening? I used to think the push was just led by those who profited from endless war and surveillance – but now I see the struggle as larger. As one internet advocate said to me: "There is a race against time: they realise the internet is a tool of empowerment that will work against their interests, and they need to race to turn it into a tool of control."

As Chris Hedges wrote in his riveting account of the NDAA: "There are now 1,271 government agencies and 1,931 private companies that work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States, the Washington Post reported in a 2010 series by Dana Priest and William M Arken. There are 854,000 people with top-secret security clearances, the reporters wrote, and in Washington, DC, and the surrounding area 33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2011."

This enormous new sector of the economy has a multi-billion-dollar vested interest in setting up a system to surveil, physically intimidate and prey upon the rest of American society.

Now they can do so by threatening to demean you sexually – a potent tool in the hands of any bully.

 

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+128 # Peacedragon 2012-04-06 13:57
What can we do to counter this and bring back the rights we used to have as US citezins?
 
 
+67 # wrknight 2012-04-07 06:06
Become an informed voter. Know how your representative and senators vote in Congress. Learn who is paying for their campaign expenses and what favors they get in return. Go to the polls on election day and VOTE!

You are in charge. Exercise your authority while you still have it.
 
 
+72 # Erdajean 2012-04-07 09:11
Oh, come on. We've all been there and done that. It was our "elected" (sort of) officials who gave us abu graihb, Guantanamo and a disgusted God only knows what else. And elected ones keep it going. Thanks to the wretched state of U.S. media we have no idea WHAT we are electing. What is imperative is that we watch it after it gets in charge and go after it when it shows its ugly colors.
Naomi is RIGHT. The whole purpose of perverts making these obscene laws is to rob humanity of every speck of personal dignity. Much easier to control totally spiritless zombies. Don't know about everybody else, but when TSA tried to strip-search our four-year-old, the answer was NO. Not on our lives. And, they backed off. Personally, I don't think any resistance is too "extreme."
 
 
+41 # Stephanie Remington 2012-04-07 15:29
Exactly. The idea is to make people hesitate to use their constitutionall y-guaranteed rights to freedom of assembly and redress of grievances. Their message is, if you want these rights you must be willing to risk getting beaten, pepper sprayed, shot with projectiles, arrested, detained without arrest or charge, and now strip searched.

Good for you for standing up for your 4-year-old.
 
 
+6 # Jane Gilgun 2012-04-09 23:53
Stip search a four-year old? That's perverse!!!!! That's way beyond common decency and the values on which this country is based.
 
 
+36 # geraldom 2012-04-07 14:12
Quoting wrknight:
Become an informed voter. Know how your representative and senators vote in Congress. Learn who is paying for their campaign expenses and what favors they get in return. Go to the polls on election day and VOTE!

You are in charge. Exercise your authority while you still have it.


You're wrong, wrknight. If we had an honest & forthright election system, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. We lost that a long time ago when the Dems foolishly helped Bush & the Repubs pass HAVA, the Help America Vote Act, which gave our govt & the states the right to force these fraudulent & corrupt e-voting machines down our throats.

Now no one has any real idea as to who they're really voting for when they press those buttons, do they? And, it's much worse when we're dealing with e-voting machines that don't supply us with any paper verification.

The American people have lost the only thing that they had left that would've enabled us to change our govt for the better, not just in Washington, but at the state level as well. Control of our electoral system.

We all need to wake up to reality! We've very little left of a Democracy in this country, & what little we do have left has become a facade.

Obama & the Congressional Dems have betrayed us ever since January of 2009. If Obama & the Congressional Dems have to win in Nov, it will be because they happen to be the lesser of two evils.
 
 
+20 # paulrevere 2012-04-07 15:04
Couple of points on e-voting. Ever read about the Argonne Labs guys who hacked a Diebold voting machine from a half mile away with a ten buck RadioShack gizmo?
http://www.salon.com/2011/09/27/votinghack/
Go try and talk to your voter registrar or who ever is in charge of managing voting in your city/county...t hey are completely indoctrinated by the machine companies.
Even the paper back-up is facile...how can we be sure the official cast, tally and aggregation numbers, done electronically and usually via the internet are not corrupted?
Glad you brought up the issue of probably our most precious right Mr Menchar.
 
 
+19 # geraldom 2012-04-07 17:11
Paulrevere, I only pointed out how much worse those paperless e-voting machines are that don't indicate how the voter had voted. Those e-voting machines that do supply a piece of paper to the voter do not show how the machine tabulated their vote internally. They are as fraudulent and as corrupt as those paperless machines.

There are several problems here:

o There are some states that have laws that either require or allow a recount only if the difference between the candidates in the polling is less than a very tiny margin. Those people who can control the vote count either by internal programming or by access to the central tabulator can make sure that the difference is small enough to preclude a recount, and if a recount were taken, it would only be honest and accurate if every e-voting machine in the precinct supplied an accurate carbon copy of what each and every voter received when they cast their vote.

o If a recount is allowed and not all of the e-voting machines in a district supply a paper verification, then no honest recount is possible.

o No recount can use the internal numbers presented by the e-voting machines. Only a paper recount would be acceptable.

o Many states will allow a recount only if the individual running the show in that state allows it.

In short, no honest election is possible using e-voting machines.
 
 
+5 # Stephanie Remington 2012-04-08 18:32
The irony is that one of the only decent things about HAVA is that it REQUIRES that ballots be voter verifiable, which means that the internally tabulating machines are illegal.
 
 
+13 # Stephanie Remington 2012-04-07 15:35
What doesn't seem to be getting a lot of attention is the fact that the Obama DOJ argued before the Supreme Court IN FAVOR of this decision.

From Glenn Greenwald:
"At oral argument, a lawyer for the Obama Justice Department told the Supreme Court that “[p]rotesters…w ho decide deliberately to get arrested… might be stopped by the police, they see the squad car behind them. They might have a gun or contraband in their car and think hey, I’m going to put that on my person, I just need to get it somewhere that is not going to be found during a patdown search, and then potentially they have the contraband with them.”

The Obama administration is siding with the prisons in the case and urging the court to allow a blanket policy for all inmates set to enter the general prison population.

“When you have a rule that treats everyone the same,” Justice Department lawyer Nicole A. Saharsky argued, “you don’t have folks that are singled out. You don’t have any security gaps.”

You can read his full blog comments here:
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/03/the_obama_doj_and_strip_searches/singleton/
 
 
0 # Jane Gilgun 2012-04-10 00:01
Vote--for sure. But also make taking human rights and human dignity are the foundation of our society. Values count--such as care, justice, respect for dignity and worth, autonomy. Yes, God is disgusted all right, with a large part of the population--tho se who make money off the humilation and endangering of others and those who sit back and let it happen because they think it does not affect them personally. Are we headed toward the same fate as Germny in the 30s and 40s? Will those forces that finally put a stop to our madness be as benevolent as the US and the allies were after we won? Don't count on that. We could be headed for years of disaster and Naziism in the name of protecting ourselves when the truth is a small group are making a lot of money.
 
 
+46 # fishmother 2012-04-07 08:32
Mark Twain says, "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
 
 
+14 # CL38 2012-04-07 09:21
see www.Thrivecommunity.com. It tracks the money, corporations, the elite and what they're all up to...it's right in front of us...but it's hard to face it.
 
 
+5 # genierae 2012-04-09 05:49
"The salvation of the people depends upon themselves, upon their capacity for suffering and sacrifice...If a fair number of men and women could be found who would be prepared, without any ill-will against the tyrant, to lay down their lives rather than bend the knee to them, they would show the way to freedom from the tyranny of violence." Gandhi

Most Americans are woefully unprepared for the long hard struggle that will be necessary to take back our country, but we are fast learners, and there are many more of us than there are of them. If we will persevere, we will win at the end. Getting the young people involved is key, they have the strength and passion that will be needed, and they are fighting for their future. Getting involved in local politics is a good way to change policies in your town, but also to educate low-information voters that you live and work with. Grass-roots is the only way that we can create change, and if we refuse to back down we will be successful.
 
 
+84 # frankdavid 2012-04-06 13:59
well Naomi, Thanks for saying the obvious. I knew when the verdict came down how this new Scotus decision would be used at the first opportunity. Just in time for spring.
 
 
+111 # feloneouscat 2012-04-06 16:49
So... I guess as Occupy'ers we should just go naked?
 
 
+3 # Stephanie Remington 2012-04-08 16:15
It won't help. It'll just decrease the amount of time it takes them to force you to bend over and spread your cheeks.
 
 
-160 # egbegb 2012-04-06 17:00
So, Naomi, do you want to tell your local constabulary that they cannot frisk/feel_up/s trip_search those who are arrested?
Have you ever been in a police station where perp's are brought?
Did the Arresting officers already do that at the scene?

I'm thinking you don't have a clue. I am probably wrong - I am very frequently wrong. Please explain!
 
 
+71 # Glen 2012-04-07 05:53
Naomi will not answer you, egbegb, but I will. Ms. Wolf is not commenting on criminals. She is commenting on average citizens who may now be picked up for practically nothing and put through the routine. The cops on duty in the office know why people are brought in. They know the difference between criminals and a simple arrest of a citizen.

Never assume that cops are sane or without a predatory or sadistic nature in spite of their training or a handful of decent people on the premises. Also, never assume agents in an airport are sane or don't get off on intimidating and embarrassing especially women.

In discussions on gun control I stated - it isn't the guns per se; it is the general psychosis of the nation. Simply insert cops or agents rather than guns.
 
 
+28 # Johnny 2012-04-07 11:56
So much for the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
 
 
+17 # frankdavid 2012-04-07 12:22
Johnny, Johnny, johnny......... ...that died long ago.
 
 
+11 # Cassandra2012 2012-04-08 12:17
In my experience, the cops are frequently just barely one step above the criminals they have become inured to - [they get away with giving undeserved tickets in Chicago, for example because the potential for earning money for the city is encouraged -- at any expense] and the judicial system is also corrupt --it always goes along with the cop even when he has clearly gone beyond legal rights and procedure. Judges make excuses for not doing their duty so the city's coffers will be filled even when they agree a stop was illegal/undeser ved/ uncalled for. And the jaded city clerks even aid and abet by e.g., not sending out notices on time etc.
Am sure this happens in other places as well... but it is symptomatic of the mentality of these 'entitled' cops and their ingrained power-hunger and disrespect for citizens. In Chicago, we have money for face shields and sophisticated military weaponry for cops to accost legal protestors, but no money for libraries.
 
 
+44 # reiverpacific 2012-04-07 06:59
Quoting egbegb:
So, Naomi, do you want to tell your local constabulary that they cannot frisk/feel_up/strip_search those who are arrested?
Have you ever been in a police station where perp's are brought?
Did the Arresting officers already do that at the scene?

I'm thinking you don't have a clue. I am probably wrong - I am very frequently wrong. Please explain!

Well you are WRONG AGAIN mate! Ms Klein has been arrested several times for asserting her 1st amendment rights, most recently for supporting and attempting to bring some on-the-street journalistic truth to the public on the "occupy" movement in New York.
Have YOU ever put your presence or body on the line against the "National Security State" or anything else (I have many times)?
You are mixing your perception of street thugs (which the increasingly militarized police are more and more resembling in their heavy armed almost omnipresence) with those who are trying to peacefully protest and the TRUE journalists who report on them from the front, as opposed to the highly paid, slick, soundbyte suits and status-quo ciphers who pose as news-bringers, feeding the mostly somnambulist population snippets of infotainment between commercials, from the safety of a well-appointed studio nowhere near the scenes of active populism, mostly avoided.
Like all reactionaries -including those who post on RSN, you use a broad, mono-colored brush to make your assumptions.
 
 
+150 # Virginia 2012-04-06 17:12
I'm afraid you are correct. And there is no one to undo the mess. Where are Hilary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Marcie Kaptur, Mazie Hirono, Diane Feinstein, Olympia Snow, just to name a few? Why aren't our Congressional women speaking out in unison against this?

It's a VERY sad state of affairs and it will take generations to undo what has already been enacted. I'm petitioned out! It's all falling on deaf ears covered with mink earmuffs and the country is still going to hell in a hand basket.
 
 
+21 # wrknight 2012-04-06 17:43
Where are you on election day? Remember, the people are still sovereign in America but when they abdicate, they lose their sovereignty.
 
 
+60 # barbaratodish 2012-04-06 19:48
Are you kidding? People are sovereign? Some sovereignty: rigged elections, a corporate bought recruited, groomed, vetted and most likey brainwashed candidate pool? What a joke!
 
 
+38 # Richard Raznikov 2012-04-07 02:30
Election day? It is a fact that the Obama administration sided with the Court majority. Obama and Holder's Justice Department argued against the victim's appeal and in favor of allowing police to strip search you for any reason whatever.
 
 
+7 # beeyl 2012-04-07 13:57
Yes, that's a fact... which amazingly never finds its way into articles like this one.
 
 
+13 # propsguy 2012-04-07 04:02
what fools paradise do you live in? voting is meaningless. it would be better if EVERYONE refused to vote. that would send a message that the people had no government. sadly, everyone would have to stand aside
 
 
-3 # Cassandra2012 2012-04-16 14:05
Quoting propsguy:
what fools paradise do you live in? voting is meaningless. it would be better if EVERYONE refused to vote. that would send a message that the people had no government. sadly, everyone would have to stand aside


Why don't you suggest this on Breitbart.com or on a GOP website rather than on an open progressive site?
 
 
+1 # CL38 2012-04-19 09:33
Sounds like you're living in demagogue's paradise where you get to be the 'decider', the only one with an opinion that counts.

Whenever someone suggests that everyone not vote, I assume heshe is working for the far right.
 
 
0 # CL38 2012-04-07 09:24
Why not write to them and suggest they do just that.

Why has this comment received negative votes? What did I say that offended?
 
 
+3 # Stephanie Remington 2012-04-08 16:12
Sometimes it's very hard to tell. Once, I wrote a comment that I thought was completely benign -- something about peace being a worthy goal. I got several thumbs down and had to laugh.
 
 
+8 # Johnny 2012-04-07 11:57
They are not speaking out because they know where their funds come from, and conversely, if they speak out, AIPAC will end their political careers.
 
 
+12 # paulrevere 2012-04-07 13:47
Thank you for this insight...I am absolutely shocked that the individuals you mention, and apparently many other prominent female officials in government and outside, elected and non-elected have been so silent...WHAT IS GOING ON LADIES???!!
This kind of silence is beyond criminal...
 
 
+1 # fishmother 2012-04-08 08:30
Olympia Snow got so tired of trying to speak up in that atmosphere that she's done! It's one way to protest; though I'm saddened by her choice I certainly get it.
 
 
+4 # paulrevere 2012-04-08 09:12
Look into her husband's dealings...seem s a hueueueueuege conflict of interest gave spur to her exit...she spent far too much time deflecting, obfuscating and other wise doing the political bob and weave while eventually landing on the right wing side of the political behind the curtain meter.
 
 
+77 # Johnny 2012-04-06 17:14
Already our government's policy of trillions to kill Muslim children so that Israel can continue to steal land unimpeded, while our own go without education and health care has produce protest in the form of the "Occupy" movement. Like Hitler's "Enabling Act" and the Nuremberg laws, the NDAA, Patriot Act, Real ID Act, et al and the SCOTUS decisions have no other purpose than to establish a legal framework for silencing dissent as growing economic misery sends people into the streets in protest.Our domestic oligarchs have no need of such laws: the repression is for PNAC-AIPAC only.
 
 
+78 # heavyrunner 2012-04-06 17:31
If the pigs ever search any of my body cavities it will make me extremely angry and even more determined to see a revolution.

The people in power belong in jail, that's what it's come to.
 
 
+144 # wrknight 2012-04-06 17:37
The reason this is happening in the U.S. is because half of the eligible voters don't pay attention and don't vote, and half that do vote don't understand how their vote affects us all. Only in presidential elections do more than 50% of American citizens vote; and most of them are only concerned about the president. But it is the members of Congress who make the laws that are the real problem and that's where Americans fail to investigate what is going on. Most American voters can tell you the statistics of major league sports teams but can't tell you how their senators or representatives voted on any bill in Congress. American voter apathy is not just pathetic, it is the greatest threat there is to democracy in America.
 
 
+5 # Johnny 2012-04-07 12:03
Really? And for whom should an enlightened voter have voted in the last presidential election? In the next? The war criminal Obomber or the Republican wannabe war criminal? Unless there is somebody on the ballot who represents the people rather than the oligarchy, voting is meaningless. And the amount of money required even to be on the ballot guarantees voting will remain meaningless.
 
 
+1 # CL38 2012-04-07 12:19
Go to: www.thrivecommunity.com
 
 
+4 # CL38 2012-04-07 19:31
wrknight is right. Most Americans can tell you sports statistics in great detail, but haven't bothered to learn who's running for the House and Senate or what they REALLY stand for. These are people who greatly affect the quality of our lives (or lack of it.)

And if most of us were reading about politics to understand what's going on, the far right take-over never would have happened. Bush never could have (stolen) the election if people had read about how he 'ran' the businesses his father's cronies invested in -- or what a f/u he was.
 
 
+4 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 12:04
Or that he was a buddy of Ken Lay of Enron.
 
 
0 # Max Demian 2012-04-09 18:56
And that he was very likely involved in having Ken Lay murdered, making it look like "natural causes", when Ken Lay became a threat. With "buddies" like Bush, one would have plenty of enemies and wouldn't need any more of them.
 
 
+19 # WFO 2012-04-06 17:52
This is what Israeli/Zionist control looks like.

It is getting to the point of nothing to lose.
 
 
-21 # The Voice of Reason 2012-04-06 19:46
Actually, Islamic republics are far worse. Iran, for example, hangs 5 people on a daily basis. Their prisons are torture chambers, and women are beaten in public for not wearing the veil.
 
 
+22 # Phlippinout 2012-04-07 07:21
Its like saying its better to be beaten by your father than molested. Get a reality check Voice of reason!
 
 
+40 # reiverpacific 2012-04-07 08:14
Quoting The Voice of Reason:
Actually, Islamic republics are far worse. Iran, for example, hangs 5 people on a daily basis. Their prisons are torture chambers, and women are beaten in public for not wearing the veil.

Quoting The Voice of Reason:
Actually, Islamic republics are far worse. Iran, for example, hangs 5 people on a daily basis. Their prisons are torture chambers, and women are beaten in public for not wearing the veil.

Please don't exaggerate!
Iran is indeed a repressive theocracy but this kind of rhetoric is just inflaming an already tense situation. Your description actually fits more closely to Saudi Arabia, one of the most Medievalist societies in the world with it's "Chop-chop square" in Riyadh where there are still PUBLIC executions and amputations -but they are "our bad guys" -as was Saddam Hussein's Baathist regime until he actually tried to become independent.
Indonesia -apart from Banda-Acheh in N.W. Sumatra-, is actually a benign Islamist Republic, as are Malaysia and some others.
And remember how the US overthrew any attempt at democratic change all over Latin America until recently and Iran in 1953? -And don't forget LIKUD!
Manipulation and convenient disregard for the most egregious brutality and repression for whatever the corporate world wants is the reality, which is why "occupy" is so necessary with good reporting from the street by true journalists like Ms Klein.
 
 
+10 # Johnny 2012-04-07 12:05
Indeed, and Iran does not slaughter children by the hundreds by dropping white phosphorous on their schools.
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-04-07 08:36
Are you afraid we'll lose the treating our own citizens like shit race?
 
 
0 # Activista 2012-04-08 20:45
" Iran, for example, hangs 5 people on a daily basis???"
www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_exe-crime-executions
first is China with 470 executions per year, Iran 317 execution per year and USA 42 executions/year (if NOT counting thousands executed by US military in Iraq Freedom etc.)
Wonder if USraeli propaganda is counting dozens of executions of Iranian scientists "executed" by Mossad agents last year.
Death penalty is CRIME - and USA is part of this culture.
 
 
+1 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 12:07
Actually, for the US it's more, they just don't count us.

Texas.

^.^
 
 
+5 # Cassandra2012 2012-04-08 12:28
What a silly red herring --- This is a FASCIST takeover---- [ and when Sen. Durbin of Illinois suggested this during the criminal Cheney/Bush administration, he was quickly and decisively silenced!]
Blaming everything on Jews, (or Muslims, or Fundamentalist Christians, or Inquisitional Catholics/Opus Dei cultists [like Santorum, Scalia, or Thomas?] or whatever group you are currently prejudiced against is not only bigoted, but also unhelpful and irrelevant to averting the demise of our democracy and our civil rights. ) We need everyone to work together to save our beleaguered democracy, not someone on a single-minded perverse personal crusade.
 
 
+107 # catwalks 2012-04-06 18:10
The Supreme Court has become the law of the land, and nothing could be more frightening as horror stories are unfolding. Though impeachment has only been suggested once, by Thomas Jefferson, it is now time for such an action for several members of the Supreme Court. Our welfare and sanity as a nation demands such action, NOW!
 
 
+22 # Mark E. Smith 2012-04-06 20:46
Congress has never impeached anyone. It would be nice if we had a way to get them to do so, but since the Constitution vested power in the hands of the government rather than in the hands of the people, we have no power over government and the best we can do is protest or petition, the way the colonists petitioned King George. But King George was much more democratic, as he allowed habeus corpus (the Magna Carta), which our government does not.

When the framers of the Constitution named the Supreme Court, they weren't joking. They were giving nine unelected bureaucrats the same Divine Right of Kings to issue edicts which could not be appealed, that the revolution against England had shed blood to rid us of.

The Counterrevoluti onary Constitution:

http://fubarandgrill.org/node/1085

When they gave impeachment power to Congress instead of to the people, the framers of the Constitution knew full well that the rulers of this country would never impeach themselves or their colleagues, as it would set a bad precedent and leave them all open to impeachment. I think Barbara Lee is possibly the only Member of Congress who never voted for war crimes, and would therefore be the only one of them not open to impeachment proceedings.
 
 
-54 # Mark E. Smith 2012-04-06 18:16
If you don't like these laws, remember that wrknight voted for every one of these evil laws.

We're in this mess because people like wrknight keep delegating their power to government.

There is no greater apathy than delegating war powers, fiscal powers, and the power to use humiliation, torture, and violence to prevent public opinion from influencing government policy decisions, to a government over which voters have no control.

If you don't like the laws, don't blame the lawmakers, blame wrknight and all the other voters who authorize lawmakers to make and enforce whatever laws they wish. There is nothing on earth more apathetic than a US voter--they don't care what government does, as long as they can vote to authorize government to do whatever it wants.

Fortunately 50% of us don't vote. And of the other 50%, fewer than 10% of them approve of what the government is doing. If those voters would just stop voting for a government they don't like, the government could no longer claim the consent of the governed.

Don't vote! Boycott 2012! The first step in taking back this country is to stop giving it away. The half of us who don't vote know that if corporations spend billions marketing elections, they aren't healthy. The other half are probably Wal-Mart shoppers.
 
 
+7 # fliteshare 2012-04-06 22:50
Dumbest thing ever.
ALWAYS VOTE !
Vote for "NONE OF THE ABOVE" by writing it with pen on the ballot, (if need be).
This is just in-case you need to explain how come you were operating the Guillotine. Because you didn't seem to take your duties as citizen that serious, when you were asked (during the election).
 
 
-17 # propsguy 2012-04-07 04:09
why did you get so many negative marks? you are correct. we need to boycott the vote. it no longer has any meaning. people vote in the lesser evil, not the greater good, and then congress steps in to make sure nothing happens and the supreme court can be counted on to side with corporations over people every time.
the money wasted on one election cycle could staff schools, reopen libraries and provide medical care to those in need, which is pretty much everybody.
we need to participate in our government but not by voting, which is a sham meant to make you think you have some say. get out and protest. they can't arrest everyone. and absolutely- DON'T VOTE
 
 
+3 # Mark E. Smith 2012-04-07 14:43
You know why my comment got so many negative marks, propsguy, if you just think about it for a minute.

The corporations give the political parties billions of dollars to get out the vote. Some of that money is spent hiring the political party operatives who troll the internet forums to help get out the vote and to smear anyone who suggests not voting.

Thanks to the government having rewarded corporations who outsourced factories, jobs, and entire industries, refused to mandate a living wage, and destroyed social safety nets, there are plenty of desperate people happy to earn a few bucks by helping the corporations get out the vote for tyranny and atrocities.

In fact the military, the intelligence agencies, the political parties, and the corporations themselves have cubicled offices full of such traitors just doing their capitalist jobs. I'm surprised that I didn't get even more negative marks--the corporations that spend billions of dollars getting out the vote for tyranny need to protect their investment against people like me who urge others to boycott their toxic products.
 
 
+3 # Richard Raznikov 2012-04-07 16:23
Mark, I'm not sure your take is entirely accurate. Personally, I expect to not vote for Obama –– or anyone else I consider to be not worth my vote –– but there is a legitimate argument on the matter of voting. We're all looking at the same non-functional situation. It's corrupt. We would like to withdraw our consent from that corruption. The question is how best to confront and oppose the horrors that we see. I don't know the answer. It seems to me that most people writing here are just trying out possibilities. We're all looking for a way to go from here.
 
 
-1 # Mark E. Smith 2012-04-08 01:55
Richard, if "there is a legitimate argument on the matter of voting," in my six years of election boycott advocacy, I have yet to hear it.

Some voting advocates say that this country is too big to allow for direct democracy. They seem to think that we're back in the days when representatives traveled months by covered wagon to get to the legislature. How they can believe that while posting to the internet is beyond me, but belief brooks no reality.

Others say that we the people are too busy for self-government , yet they pretend that they are not apathetic because they write, phone, fax, visit, and petition their legislators. With half that effort they could govern themselves.

Still others appear to believe that the act of being elected makes candidates more capable of governance than ordinary people. Yet most voters when surveyed in a Rasmussen poll, said they thought that people chosen at random from the phone book could do a better job than Congress. So which is it?

Here's a link to some of the most common excuses for voting, for delegating our responsibilitie s to people who don't give a damn about us, and my rebuttals:

http://fubarandgrill.org/node/1172

If you have an argument for voting that makes sense, please share it. I was a voter for most of my life, I'm 72, and if there was a good reason to vote, I'd go back to voting.
 
 
+8 # Richard Raznikov 2012-04-08 08:30
Don't know if it will make sense to you, but here's what I think:

Voting is only one avenue, a very imperfect one to be sure, but a real one which can in some circumstances result in changes which help people. I was a Democratic candidate for the state legislature in 1978; I lost by a very slim margin. What we might have accomplished –– we had very big plans –– is uncertain, but even in defeat many people were energized to take a more active role in self-governance .

Twenty years later, I was elected to the high school district board and initiated a campaign to organize students to boycott the state's standardized tests. We were quite successful. Two of the three high schools recorded such a large boycott that the schools' scores were invalidated and people from around the country were encouraged to mount their own boycotts. Our success generated news stories in the New York Times and other major papers.

The impacts in the larger world were admittedly small but they were real. Had I not run, it would have been difficult to accomplish any of it.

I agree with you that voting in presidential elections is largely symbolic, at least for the individual. I agree that elections are electronically rigged. I agree that much of the time nothing changes. But sometimes it does.

And I also think that the principle –– that people should have the right to choose those who must weigh and decided –– should be kept alive.
 
 
+2 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 12:51
Quoting Mark E. Smith:
Richard, if "there is a legitimate argument on the matter of voting," in my six years of election boycott advocacy, I have yet to hear it.


Okay, I'll take you up on it.

First, I knew Obama was no starry eyed liberal before he ran. I read plenty of what he had written. He's good but I've read better. At most I would argue he is a little right of centrist. Pretty much hasn't changed since I voted for him.

Second, I did NOT like Clinton's "tough talk". I found it disturbing and it did not give me a comfortable feeling.

Third, in Texas, if you stick around after the primary, you get to take part in caucus! How awesome is that? It worked out to 2/3 Obama 1/3 Clinton. Cold at the time, but kinda fun (I live in rural Texas).

Fourth, whatever you say, voting DOES make a difference.

Fifth, Rasmussen - 'nuf said.

Sixth, the French did that one year and ended up with the ultra-right wing National Front's Jean-Marie Le Pen winning in the first round of elections - which stunned everyone. Protests went from 60,000 to quarter of a million against Le Pen's success. On May 1st between 900,000 to 1.3 million protested. On the day of the second vote posters "Vote for the Crook, not the Fascist" appeared. Chirac won by a landslide.

The last is my biggest reason.
 
 
0 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 15:06
History... I don't read it, but what I know is awesome.
 
 
0 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 14:37
Quoting Mark E. Smith:
If you have an argument for voting that makes sense, please share it. I was a voter for most of my life, I'm 72, and if there was a good reason to vote, I'd go back to voting.


It is the only way to instigate change in the United States without revolution.

EDIT: Ah, I get red marks because some want revolution?
 
 
+5 # genierae 2012-04-09 06:02
Mr. Smith I think you're a Republican. Trying to get people not to vote is very suspicious. I will vote for Democrats. Yes many of them are corrupt, but to me it's a choice between a party that gives the American people some good benefits (DEMS), and a party that gives them none (Republicans). If you were dying of thirst in the desert and you came upon an oasis, would you rather that its pool of water be half full, or completely empty? I wish to live, I will vote for Democrats. (While at the same time, I will be working for change in the political system.)
 
 
-3 # Mark E. Smith 2012-04-09 09:52
Genierae, Democratic political party operatives calling anyone who opposes Democratic administration wars, bailouts, and destruction of civil rights, a Republican, is like Zionists calling anyone who opposes the illegal occupation of Palestine an anti-Semite.

Nobody who really wants to live would vote for a political party that claimed the right to assassinate them at will.

I have never voted for a Republican, but you have, genierae. When you voted for Al Gore and John Kerry, you were consenting to be governed by whoever took office, which happened to be a Republican in both cases. Your vote isn't your preference for the candidate or party you vote for, as you seem to think it is, your vote is your consent to be governed by whoever wins, be they Democrat or Republican.

Stop being apathetic. Withhold your consent until 1) the votes have to be counted, and 2) you can have a direct vote on policy issues, not just a vote to delegate policy decisions to people you can't hold accountable.

You're one of many Democrats who are happy with Obama's expanded wars, increased bailouts for the rich, and destruction of Constitutional rights and civil liberties, which you would have outraged you if a Republican had done the same things.

You are destroying this country with your ignorance and apathy. Stop voting for the capitalist war machine--it only benefits the wealthy and it hurts all the rest of us.
 
 
0 # fishmother 2012-04-09 10:53
This is a little off topic but what is it about this discourse that makes you (and a few other) so uncivil to anyone who expresses disagreement with your positions and so righteously sure that only your view is right?
 
 
+1 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 14:06
Quoting Mark E. Smith:
Your vote isn't your preference for the candidate or party you vote for, as you seem to think it is, your vote is your consent to be governed by whoever wins, be they Democrat or Republican.


Not voting is consenting to be ruled by whoever wins, Democrat or Republican. By not voting, you have decided to let other people make those decisions for you. That is the ultimate expression of apathy.

I have never voted for a Republican. A Republican may have received the majority of votes, but I can discern the difference between the person of my choice losing and voting for a Republican. They are distinct as night and day.

Your sophistry is neither elegant nor particularly difficult to wade through - they are based on the childish notion that if you don't get your way, then you have lost.

That is not how our government works. It is not how it ever worked.

Our government works through give and take. We lose something here but gain something there. There has never been a Presidency that was all roses and no thorns. If you can find one, let me know.

Voting is the ONLY way toward peaceful change.
 
 
+1 # feloneouscat 2012-04-10 07:51
Quoting Mark E. Smith:
your vote is your consent to be governed


Incorrect.

Remaining as citizens of the United States is giving our consent (through the Constitution) that we abide by whoever wins in an election.

Not voting IS being apathetic. It relies on others making decisions. It does nothing to change the system.

Please explain how by doing NOTHING it will do ANYTHING to change the system?
 
 
+54 # sheila Cee 2012-04-06 18:37
Some of you say that we must vote if we are to change anything. Wonderful, but what if our votes are corrupted by corruptible voting machines? What if those of us who want to vote are prevented from voting by the new voter ID laws being made by the GOP Gestapo?

I feel so discouraged. What can we possibly do?

I fear that if enough of us get out to protest the full force of our SS police force will be out to prevent us.
They will arrest us and if the prisons are filled they will open up concentration camps and force their sexually intrusive methods upon us.

Please, someone tell me there is hope or are we doomed to the pleasures of the corrupted SOBs who are now running this country.They are mad men ( and women) who must be destroyed.

Having said all this, I wonderd if they will come after me, arrest me and stiip search me for threatening those in power.
 
 
+3 # barbaratodish 2012-04-06 20:13
Maybe there is a way, or even a few ways, strategies, at least they seem to work for me: first I take control of WHAT I fear. I see that it is AMBIGUITY that I USED to really fear most. I have begun to reserve my fear for when it is ABSOLUTE, meaning IMMANENT life and death issues, instead sweating ANY "small stuff" or worrying about the future. And HUMOR helps me, because FOR ME, HUMOR puts EVERYTHING in perspective. And almost everything can be humorous to me now because I allow myself to be undeterred by fear, especially of WHAT OTHERS THINK OF ME, HOW OTHERS MAY "JUDGE" ME! I just live for today because tommorow and yesterday are possibly illusions, all I have is now. If there is internment, then maybe it will be a new experience, because I may get to experience some structure for the very first time! lol
 
 
-3 # Mark E. Smith 2012-04-06 20:32
Sometimes, sheila Cee, there are situations in life over which we have no control. But we don't have to freely relinquish our control and consent to being abused. Consent matters:

Consensual Political Intercourse

http://fubarandgrill.org/node/1035#comment-3158

Withdrawing our consent of the governed by not voting is legal, nonviolent, and effortless. We may not be able to stop the government from abusing us, but we are not required to consent to being abused.

Government can still abuse us even if we don't consent, but then it becomes a crime, not something that we ourselves authorized the government to do.

The government could still seat candidates even if there was only a 10% turnout in 2012, but nobody in the world would take them seriously, think that they had a mandate, or believe that they were chosen to carry out the will of the people.

People with any common sense at all don't gamble their rent money in rigged card games, or trust their country's future to rigged elections.

Some reasons for not voting:

http://fubarandgrill.org/node/1172

Yes, I know that the government can arrest, torture, or kill me at any time for no reason whatsoever, but as bad as that makes me feel, I'd feel even worse if I had voted to delegate to government the legitimate power and authority to do so.
 
 
-2 # Glen 2012-04-08 04:15
Thank you Mark. Nicely put.
There are numerous means of protest, which are effective and each citizen must find the protest they are comfortable with. For instance, more and more people are refusing to pay taxes.

It speaks volumes when folks do not vote. I, too, will not vote due to the corruption and the same reasons you offered. I do not support the federal government or its mercenary agencies throughout the world. Since we cannot actually participate in this elitist organization, why assume voting means anything at all, either.
 
 
0 # feloneouscat 2012-04-16 15:34
Quoting Glen:
It speaks volumes when folks do not vote.


No it doesn't - no one knows you didn't vote.

What speaks volumes is why people are DENIED the vote in the first place - because it actually DOES mean something.

You not voting means someone else is going to make the decision. You will have done zero, zip, nada to make any change (except possibly for the worse).
 
 
+4 # Stephanie Remington 2012-04-08 20:08
Mark,

Abuse by the government is a crime whether or not you voted. Voting for a candidate with a proven track record of abuse is crazy, and it will result in more abuse, but the act of voting – especially for a third party candidate with a better record – does not constitute consent to abuse by the winner.
 
 
+1 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 13:33
In the last 50 years what third party candidate has ever won?

Who would you suggest as a third party candidate?
 
 
+1 # Stephanie Remington 2012-04-09 15:09
The point isn't how long it's been. Election results are not some random function of the universe. The choice is ours.

If the Egyptians and Tunisians had used the logic of your first question they would never have ousted their dictators. If our own founders had thought in the same defeatist way, we'd have remained under the rule of the British monarchy.

If you feel that the choice between the “lesser of two evils” (a “choice” that gets worse and more indistinguishab le every election) is the best way to go, fine. For me, a choice between the catastrophic and the apocalyptic isn’t a choice at all.

The two progressive candidates that I am most familiar with are Rocky Anderson (Justice Party) and Jill Stein (Green Party).
 
 
-1 # feloneouscat 2012-04-10 07:29
Stephanie you misunderstand.

I believe that the United States can be whatever country it wants to be - we have that power. We can be the most progressive country on the planet if we so desire. Do not place me in the camp that desires the craptastic people running for office.

Unfortunately, we are still stuck with the patent reality that is is nigh impossible for a third party candidate to win. When it comes to an incumbent, people instinctively choose the one they know versus the one they don't. Thus my point about third party candidates. In this country, the best they can do is throw the election to the opposing side. They can not win until either the Democrats or the GOP disintegrate. One only has to read history to realize that.

I have no problems with either Rocky Anderson or Jill Stein. Feel free to vote for them. However, I am not being psychic when I say that they will not win.

For over 190 years the President has been either Republican or Democrat. The odds of a third party candidate garnering the the most electoral votes is so low as to be unlikely. George Wallace in 1968 received the most electoral votes in recent history as a third party candidate - 46. Total electoral votes in 1968: 538. Wallace, obviously, did not win.

I'm sorry, but the math, history, and the people of the U.S. do not make a third party win likely.
 
 
+2 # Stephanie Remington 2012-04-10 15:47
I'm not voting for a third party candidate because I think their win is likely. It's because I support their policies and approve of their track records.

Nobody can predict when public opinion will change on third parties, but I don't know anyone who predicted OWS. It could be any time. All it takes is wider spread agreement about what constitutes a wasted vote -- on for a third party candidate or one for a major candidate with a track record of destroying the nation.

Incidentally, the first Republican president was Lincoln (1861) -- 150 years ago -- when it was a third party with an abolitionist platform.
 
 
-1 # feloneouscat 2012-04-13 08:57
I'm voting for Obama not because I approve of his policies, but that I see him as the only viable candidate. Would I prefer that he were a liberal, yes, but we can only play the cards we are dealt.

Good point regarding Republican party (though it consisted mostly of former Whigs and Free Soil Democrats).

I don't consider any vote wasted. What I consider is "who will end up in the White House?". I would prefer Romney not end up in the White House - I do not see him doing anything but harming the United States.

For me voting for a third party does nothing - it makes no change to policies, it makes no change to the administration, it has zero effect. Voting third party may appeal to my ego, but beyond that - what?

EDIT: Okay, if you downgraded this comment, then explain... don't just drive by shoot. I have posted my opinion. Let's see yours.
 
 
+26 # Elusive Pimpernel 2012-04-07 04:17
Sheila, it is your kind of fear that the powers that be are banking on. By scaring the wits out of us through their forms of intimidation. If we are scared, they have achieved their goals. We MUST not stop protesting and must accept the reality that some of us will be incarcerated while others push the powers that be back.

Imagine yourself on a plane being hijacked and you just sit there and shiver from fear instead of seizing an opportunity to jump the hijacker and disarming them at probably some cost to you, but at least you may have saved the rest of the passengers.

Folks, we must stop this fear of what "they" can do to us, stand up and descent!
 
 
+3 # Max Demian 2012-04-07 15:59
I'm with you "Freeman1776", but that's "DISSENT". To "descent" is to go down in elevation. You know enough to teach yourself about liberty and freedom, about the duty to stand up for it, and you know enough to exercise it no matter what; so please educate yourself on all levels. You're on the internet, probably every day; so, rhetorically-sp eaking, why can't you learn as you go along how to spell, increase your vocabulary, and write better... and better... and better. It matters. We must NOT accept the illiteracy that is more and more rampantly accepted today, making it so difficult to, and painful to try and, understand what some people are saying with the gibberish that supposedly "passes" for "English", but is moronic. Let us constantly educate ourselves!

(Don't worry, I'll get "on-point" somewhere in this thread.)

(Cont'd)
 
 
+3 # Max Demian 2012-04-07 16:32
(Cont'd)

When I was in junior high school English classes, almost all I did was sit in the back of the class and draw intricate pictures of the Starship Enterprise, the first one, NCC 1701(A); and of Frodo; and I hardly paid any attention to what was being taught. But, in the ensuing years, I've read a lot and paid attention to learning new words, how to spell correctly, to at least be a little bit better at knowing when to end a sentence and start a new paragraph (which clearly you have done as well), even though I know that I still don't write very well. There is nothing wrong with seeking to improve oneself on the use of the English language, instead of constantly expressing oneself badly (not you; I'm talking about others). Constantly improving oneself on all levels is a very good thing.
 
 
+1 # Glen 2012-04-08 04:10
We also don't need grammar Nazis, Max. Folks are often typing in a hurry, to get their thoughts out there, and make a mistake. We all know what Freeman means.
 
 
-13 # Glen 2012-04-07 05:36
I understand your thinking completely, Sheila. Took me a while to give in to what has been happening in the U.S. Unless we have an army of our own, law enforcement will pick and choose how they want to handle you and yours. On the other hand, there are so many of us now that there will be thousands they will never care about.

I remember an Iraq citizen who was asked to comment on Saddam Hussein and living in Iraq under the man. The fellow said he always paid heed to what his father told him, and we might want to follow the same advice: live your life, get educated, stay out of politics and mind your own business.

Reality is a bitch.
 
 
-4 # Glen 2012-04-07 10:44
For those marking this in the red, do consider historical strategy in addition to what is actually happening in the U.S. today. Who can win? Who will suffer the most?

Emperors come and go, but the smartest among the subjects survive to live another day, along with their progeny. There is no shame in knowing when to keep your head down.
 
 
+11 # Richard Raznikov 2012-04-07 16:09
"Hate and love of power could be dealt with were it not for the license they receive from the inertia of millions. The most dangerous of all humans are the gray mice; it is their silence that kills. It was the silence of the gray mice outside the German concentration camps that killed the millions inside."

-- Jim Garrison
 
 
+10 # Max Demian 2012-04-07 16:33
On the contrary, Glen, there IS shame in keeping one's head down. It is bowing down. It is capitulating to evil. It is irresponsible. And it is because of apathetic, mindless, anti-duty rationalization s such as this one of your's, that societies degenerate, get worse and worse, that more and more people suffer horribly in those societies, and that those societies disintegrate.

Please, instead of advocating this cowardly, narcissistic point of view, and encouraging others to irresponsibly think that way and end up failing to act when we most need to act, take to heart and have some loyalty to the supreme law of the U.S., the Constitution and its Declaration of Independence, joined to the Constitution and therefore just as much the supreme law of the land through the Constitution's Supremacy Clause:

"...(W)hen a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, IT IS THEIR DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..." (Capitalization emphasis added by me.)

(Cont'd)
 
 
+4 # Max Demian 2012-04-07 22:22
(Cont'd)

To do otherwise than what the Declaration and Constitution deliniates above is to be part of and responsible for horrific terror, suffering and mass-murder at the hands of "our" government overtaking the land. Sure, we may die as a result of fulfilling our duty to stand up against it, and it may appear that our deaths were supposedly "for nothing", but at least you will not have lived as a slave, not been responsible through your complacency and surrender to evil for the mass- terrorizing and suffering, and you will have died Truly Free!

To die as a coward who betrayed your fellow-humankin d, is the most ignominious death you can die, particularly with all of that suffering and blood on your hands. We've been led to believe in the past couple of generations that choosing cowardice is supposedly "okay", and that it's even "preferable", but that is one of the most ultimate in LIES! We are responsible for eachother; and we are NOT responsible for only ourselves! Only "looking out for number one" is another of those supreme lies, and is the ultimate in selfishness!
 
 
-2 # Glen 2012-04-08 04:38
Keeping your head down does not equate to bowing down. It is a move, a plan, a means of surviving forces that are beyond intelligent beings. Could it also be irresponsible to encourage citizens to fight and die, which they surely may, when a force is as great as the U.S. government and military and their urban minions?

Do you think the mother of the little girl who was pepper sprayed in the face in Santa Monica is proud that her daughter was in pain? Wouldn't it have been better to leave her at home? That's what I am talking about. When to show and when to blow off the very real possibility of losing.

You throw the constitution out there as if it continues to have meaning for over 300 million people, conveniently forgetting it was written by the elites, and the decision to rebel was, also. Democracy, as I have said before is meant for a governing outline for a small population who will also participate in that governing process. Participation is not open to the average U.S. citizen.

Richard quotes Jim Garrison, who was commenting on an era now long gone. Jefferson, in many of his comments on revolution, was referring to France, not the U.S. The U.S. is a complicated mix of a very NON homogenous society. Each of these people deal with threats in different ways, and I challenge you to even attempt to organize them.

As I said, reality is a bitch, but to survive and fight one must live in that reality. Read The Art of War.
 
 
+9 # Richard Raznikov 2012-04-08 08:38
Yes, I quoted Garrison, and his comment is as valid today as when he made it, perhaps more valid. Garrison's remark about how the Germans inattention and failure to fight back made possible the mass murder of Jews and others is extremely important right now. It is peoples' silence which gives fascists permission.

This isn't about 'organizing' disparate elements but about free people refusing to be enslaved. And, by the way, when I walked into Sproul Hall in 1964, knowing I might be arrested, my parents were worried. They wished I wouldn't do it. But the fact is that when a thousand students were willing to be arrested for free speech, the Free Speech Movement won, and this in turn helped inspire a student movement across America.

What you do has importance. It can inspire or discourage. I agree with you that the times are serious and dangerous. The risks in speaking out and in acting are real; the risks in failing to do so are catastrophic.
 
 
+1 # Glen 2012-04-08 15:00
As it happens, I was in California during the sixties, and was arrested in Berkeley. That experience gives me a background for what is happening today and how very different the country is, the cops, citizens, the government, and all else. The situation is much worse.

Germany, during the period you refer to was very much different than the U.S., even then, but most especially today. Europe, at large was not the U.S and is not the U.S.

If you will re-read what I have written, you will see that there is nothing against a type of protest. Each citizen must decide, though, how they approach protest in today's U.S. Forces are beyond most citizens. In spite of the brutality of the cops in Chicago in '68, cops have much more potential for brutality now, than then. There is a militarization of cops that was not true in the sixties, not to mention a growing standing military in the U.S., with the backing of the media and government. Citizens, should they choose to protest in the streets, must understand the chance they take as violence against them will grow. There are other means of protest, as I have written about in a couple of threads, but nevertheless, citizens who protest by any means, must accept the results.

I am not convinced, however, that the U.S. will experience a German type influence on citizens. Repression is coming through the back door, but not in the form of Nazis.
 
 
+3 # CL38 2012-04-09 08:36
Tell that to the German people who lived in the 30's & 40's who became passive when Hitler took over.
 
 
0 # Glen 2012-04-09 12:17
Interesting, CL38, how folks read into a posting what they wish. There is no careful reading.

As I said to Richard, The U.S. is NOT the Germany of the 1930s. That is not to say our government is benign, but there is a difference. Germany did not have the communication system we do, nor did citizens have guns. They are a smaller country. (Have you ever read anything at all concerning the sadistic, masochistic, violent, and lascivious activities in Berlin and elsewhere, prior to the eventual takeover by Hitler and his people?)

On the other hand, have you ever been in a city where tanks and armed military are moving through the streets? Do you think U.S. citizens could withstand the technology and weaponry of today? They could not. Fear of such power is not passivity. It is recognizing reality. Sure, we could fight. But we could also lose.

I understand the frustration and feelings of helpless as local and federal government install more and more policies and laws, such as the strip search, but simply demonstrating in the streets will not stop it, and should those demonstrations accelerate, the hammer will come down and never think it won't.

Getting folks to fight back, who are hanging on to jobs in an attempt to raise children, maintain a healthy home, and all else related, also trying to GET a job, cannot jeopardize being injured or going to jail during their efforts and struggles. That is NOT passivity.
 
 
+1 # halva 2012-04-06 19:48
http://epamaegina.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/independent-citizens-assembly/
 
 
+27 # seniorcitizen 2012-04-06 19:51
How do we start a movement to impeach supreme court members who are taking our freedoms in the name of security and changing our nation into a police state? This article describes a fearful and dangerous situation that is creeping all over our land,from dictatorial governors to police brutality. Many members of Congress are not doing due diligence upholding and defending our freedoms. In fact, they are passing laws taking it away. I fear we are being taken over from within, while we are looking for terrorist abroad. America, our apathy is allowing this to happen.Be informed and demand our rights be restored.
 
 
+6 # Johnny 2012-04-07 12:13
Yep. Congress and the courts are big brothels with the same customers, and the president is the madam.
 
 
+20 # tofunista 2012-04-06 19:52
Bravo Naomi Wolf!
You've put in words, rather eloquently, what many of us feel & are unable to express.
Since 1980, there has been a systematic decimation of 2 centuries of rights that were hard fought & earned by the 99%.
The 1% now wishes to ensure that we never can raise our heads again & claim what rightfully belongs to the people.
I believe we must go thru a major economic & social upheaval to cleanse society of the concentration of power with the 1%.
 
 
-38 # barbaratodish 2012-04-06 19:55
Naomi Wolf:What do YOU personally know, and what have you personally experienced, and would you share what sexual humiliation you have experienced? I doubt it. All humiliation is taken instead of given. If anyone tries to humilate me it is more like I am humiliating myself!
 
 
+15 # Gengis 2012-04-07 08:16
From the first time a male stares at our bodies, even as female children, every woman knows not of, but how, sexual humiliation feels. It is no leap of imagination to know what the crimes against humanity that are described here would be experienced in the affective domain.
 
 
-8 # barbaratodish 2012-04-07 08:46
Then women need to get in touch with their DARKER male "side" and start "turning the tables". Equal time for men to feel objectified!
 
 
+7 # Billy Bob 2012-04-07 20:46
Sorry. I know you're trying to be funny, but the "us vs. them" here isn't women vs. men. It's freedom loving Americans vs. the forces of fascism. I'm having a hard time taking this lightly.
 
 
+3 # Glen 2012-04-08 04:45
Exactly, Billy. Interesting that what comes back around in men vs. women. Now more than ever we must all stick together. If that means putting aside the us against them, then DO IT.
 
 
-5 # barbaratodish 2012-04-08 11:02
Look up "Hybristofilia" , (women attracted to dangerous men), I was trying to say instead of settling for a RELATIONSHIP with a "bad boy", dangerous man, etc., to provide some sort of vicarious excitment, I am my own(non violent) "bad (tom-)boy".
 
 
+1 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 14:41
Quoting Billy Bob:
Sorry. I know you're trying to be funny....


The key word being TRYING... as in trying my patience.

Sexual humiliation is not exactly something to joke about. Shows a lack of sensitivity.
 
 
+3 # Max Demian 2012-04-09 18:30
Now THIS I completely agree with you on, "Feloneouscat"! Sexual humiliation is ABSOLUTELY NO joke WHATSOEVER; and NO ONE can SANELY make light of it WHATSOEVER either!

"BarbaraTodish?" is PURPOSEFULLY SEEKING to try our patience.
 
 
-2 # barbaratodish 2012-04-11 21:53
Quoting Max Demian:
Now THIS I completely agree with you on, "Feloneouscat"! Sexual humiliation is ABSOLUTELY NO joke WHATSOEVER; and NO ONE can SANELY make light of it WHATSOEVER either!

"BarbaraTodish?" is PURPOSEFULLY SEEKING to try our patience.

You,Max Demian, presume to speak for anothers' patience? If you have such an abundance of patience why did it take my few words to "try" your patience?

IMHO, all humiliation is TAKEN instead of given, if the so called "humiliation" is in words. Even if the "humiliation" is in action then whatver the action is, it is violence, instead of humiliation. As long as you survive you can ALWAYS be grateful for survival instead of ashamed of ANY ego "humiliation"!
 
 
0 # feloneouscat 2012-04-13 09:41
Sexual humiliation is nothing to joke about.

You can be of the opinion that humiliation is given. Normal people don't think that way. Nor should they.

In your post, replace the word "humiliation" with the word "rape" and perhaps you might get a glimmer of why people find this "blame the victim" mentality to be repugnant.
 
 
-1 # barbaratodish 2012-04-13 14:31
Quoting feloneouscat:
Sexual humiliation is nothing to joke about.

You can be of the opinion that humiliation is given. Normal people don't think that way. Nor should they.

In your post, replace the word "humiliation" with the word "rape" and perhaps you might get a glimmer of why people find this "blame the victim" mentality to be repugnant.

I HAVE been sexually assaulted 4 separate times by four different acquaintances, and instead of being and remaining a victim, I have decided to retroactively "undo" the sexual assaults, by saying publicly that instead of sexually assaulting me, these men were sexually assaulting themselves! I have said that I used to take these sexual assaults too personally, that now I want more from those experiences than a victim identity. So I get comedy now out of that trauma because I realize that instead of using their penises, ALL men have their penises USE them when and if they use force! I also have written about how force, especially the pornification of force, uses us, whether we are male or female, or any combination of each, unless force is justified (which is only in ABSOLUTE IMMANENT issues of life and death!)
 
 
-1 # barbaratodish 2012-04-13 14:41
Quoting feloneouscat:
Sexual humiliation is nothing to joke about.

You can be of the opinion that humiliation is given. Normal people don't think that way. Nor should they.

In your post, replace the word "humiliation" with the word "rape" and perhaps you might get a glimmer of why people find this "blame the victim" mentality to be repugnant.


I am saying that any and all humiliation, victimhood, etc., is TAKEN instead of GIVEN. Normal to me is accepting stereotype as identity and limitation. IMHO "normal" is sheeple zombiedom!
 
 
-16 # dlet60 2012-04-06 21:09
For those who think voting is the answer,who are you going to vote for? Obama, Romney, Bush, McCain, you've got to be joking! Ron Paul may be the answer. Good luck!
 
 
+12 # Anarchist 23 2012-04-07 08:31
Ron Paul the answer? The Ayn Rand inspired white power anti-woman guy? We don't have an answer in the GSA anymore-just the sinking sensation of being drowned in the rising brown tide of Fascism. Those of you who can should think of getting out.
 
 
+13 # CL38 2012-04-07 12:20
Ron Paul is definitely NOT the answer!
 
 
+4 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 12:01
Ron Paul was my Congressman.

When I had a conversation with him (as a Congressman) all he kept talking about was his wallet. His wallet this, his wallet that... he's toned it down a bit, but you can still hear it - it's all about his wallet.

Not about anyone else. As far as he is concerned, the U.S. consists of him and his wallet.

We might as well not exist.
 
 
+5 # Cassandra2012 2012-04-08 12:38
Ron Paul is a hypocrite who wants less govt. in *everything* ---except WOMEN'S CONTROL OF THEIR OWN BODIES!
 
 
+8 # Billy Bob 2012-04-06 21:21
Say what we will about Obama, but if Romney or McCain had been in power for the past 3 years, the ruling would have been 7-2.
 
 
+8 # Anarchist 23 2012-04-07 08:32
5-4 or 7-2 the law of the land is still Fascism.
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2012-04-07 17:51
5-4 is one conservative judge away from 5-4 overturning these laws. 7-2 would have guaranteed we'd be waiting a lot longer to have any affect on this.
 
 
0 # beeyl 2012-04-07 14:00
Are you kidding? So you think Romney or McCain would have sided with the majority opinion even more strongly than Obama and his DOJ did?

Or maybe you think Obama, who sided with conservatives, here, is likely to nominate more justices that will oppose his future efforts to strip us of our privacy and civil rights?
 
 
+1 # Billy Bob 2012-04-07 17:54
This isn't about Obama selling us out on every other thing (which he has). It's about simple math.

I know it's hard to wrap our heads around the fact that Obama is not quite as bad as a republican, but it's true. Not as bad is better than as bad. Right now, we are up shit creek. Do want to deal with it strategically or emotionally?

I'd rather deal with it, which means I have to be a little cold about it and think strategically. I'm sorry if it rubs you the wrong way. It rubs me the wrong way as well. Being a passionate loser rubs me a lot worse.
 
 
0 # beeyl 2012-04-07 19:54
I simply disagree: a sellout Democrat like Obama is 10x worse than an openly conservative Republican like McCain or Romney, for one reason: tribalism.

When Bush was wrecking the country, all true liberals and the tribal Democrats joined together in opposing him. It would be the same if McCain or Romney were ever president.

But when Obama does horrific conservative, corporatist, and anti-liberal things, only true liberals oppose him... and that constitutes an unfortunate minority of people who vote with the Democrats. The majority of Democratic voters, liberals in name only, support Obama because he's a Democrat - no matter what he does - because he's head of the tribe. And their tribalism allows for Obama to harm this country in ways no Republican could ever dream of doing.
 
 
+3 # Billy Bob 2012-04-07 20:38
Sounds great. Who would you realistically like to see win the election in 2012?
 
 
-5 # beeyl 2012-04-07 23:12
Honestly, there's no one who's actually running that I'd like to see win this year. I would have happily voted for an actual progressive like Elizabeth Warren, or Russ Feingold (who didn't even consider running for governor against Scott Walker in the upcoming recall).

In the end, I'm probably going to vote for Romney, though I'd be happier seeing someone more extreme like Santorum win the White House. Ideally, we'd have someone so obviously devoted to conservative ideology that the left wing of the country would actually reunite against him. This would prevent much of his agenda from happening over the next four years, and would increase the odds (from near zero, if Obama's reelected) of the Dems nominating a true liberal in 2016.

Finally, my sole reason for considering voting again for Obama - that he would nominate liberal justices to the Supreme Court (which we obviously need to happen) - has been shaken by this Florence case, and a string of others before, where Obama and his DOJ have argued for decreased transparency and accountability for government and decreased privacy and civil rights for the rest of us.
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2012-04-08 18:25
There were many who said the same thing in 2000 about voting for Gore because he wasn't liberal enough. Might as well get bush in there. Then they thought, things would finally be SO screwed up the rest of us would finally unite and fix it. How'd that work out? You know if we keep giving election after election after election to the more conservative candidate in the hope the left will wake up and vote for the guy we REALLY want (who isn't even running), it creates a pattern. The pattern is conservative government, followed by MORE conservative government.

Eventually, we won't have any rights left to fight WITH. Notice, I'm no longer talking about rights to fight "for". I'm talking about the rights that are necessary to have any say without a violent revolution: Freedom of Assembly, Speech, etc.

Once those are gone, THEY'RE GONE FOREVER.
 
 
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-04-08 18:28
Think of it as a tug of war. Every inch of the battle matters. We don't even have time to lessen our grip for a second just to change it.

The fact is that extreme radical politicians are almost NEVER followed by the opposite extreme. They are ALMOST ALWAYS (in peaceful elections without a revolution) followed by a moderate.

Case in point: bush followed by Obama.

If we let another far right loon take over (assume democratic elections actually continue four years later), the next guy would be, YES ANOTHER OBAMA.
 
 
-4 # Max Demian 2012-04-08 20:59
I agree with a lot of what you say, "Billy Bob", but you also say some of the most ridiculous, "blinders-on" things sometimes. Obama is NO "moderate". By your and most of the Left's definition, Obama is far right-wing; but, of course, in reality Obama is far left-wing, as in neo-liberal totalitarian socialist and/or communist. He works for and is carrying out the will of the 1% that put communist and fascist dictators into power and supported their mass-murder. They are also the same people who helped create the U.N., and so on. These people talk out of one side of their face(s) allegedly supporting "human rights", and out of the other side they are secretly supporting mass-murder. They are also the same people who believe in eugenics and want to mass-murder seven billion human beings from the face of the earth. In addition, they are majorly involved in filling our air, food and water with immune-system-d estroying, cancer-causing, dumbing-down, pacifying poisons in the name of "protecting" and/or "improving" our health. And the list goes on and on. As far as they are concerned, they already own all of us, and we have never had any rights, only the "illusion" of them. And, again, it doesn't matter whether it's someone from the "Left" or the "Right" who is in the completely-cont rolled U.S. presidency, the neo-liberal, totalitarian corporate-fasci sts totally control both sides of the political "spectrum". They followed Bush with Obama to fool us into supporting more of the same.
 
 
0 # Richard Raznikov 2012-04-09 07:24
"Neoliberal totalitarian socialist"... make up your bleeding mind, Max. This rant would be hilarious were it not an example of the sort of 'thinking' prevalent from people whose brains have been turned to mush listening to Rush or watching F*X News (sic). The bankers and other multinationals are ANYTHING but 'communist' –– they are in fact right-wing. The marriage of government with business is by definition fascism. Unless you really believe that the bankers have no power here, then you have got the wrong definition.
 
 
0 # Max Demian 2012-04-09 18:12
WRONG, Richard! I DON'T listen to or watch Limbaugh or "Faux News"... AT ALL! I can't stand them at all! And I can't stand ANY government propagandists and/or controlled, so-called "opposition" like them. Thus, you shouldn't jump to conclusion, AT ALL, about me.

Also, I did NOT say that the bankers were and/or are communists; so there you go again making completely unwarranted presumptions about me. But, they are NOT "right-wing" unless left-wing fascism has truly, and accurately, been made "right-wing" today. And, DUH to "(t)he marriage of government and business is by definition fascism"! So, NO, I do NOT have the wrong definition. Truly, fully and completely study it out, Richard, et alii. Unless fascism has accurately been made to be "right-wing" today, which i content it has NOT, fascism has always historically been left-wing; and so has communism. That IS a fact. So, it is you and your ilk who believe that fascism is supposedly "right-wing", who have the wrong definition(s).

The bankers, or at least the one's who pull the strings of corporate-fasci sm as a whole, the puppet-masters of the entire globalist scheme, ARE neo-liberals; and, if you and your ilk would truly, fully and completely study that out, and totally stop listening to the propaganda that you have been so successfully indoctrinated and conditioned with, you would find that out as I have. And, NO, I am no longer indoctrinated and conditioned by false propaganda myself anymore, AT ALL.
 
 
-2 # Mark E. Smith 2012-04-09 10:04
Let's see, Billy Bob.

Bush started wars of aggression based on lies. Obama expanded those wars and started several new wars. Does that make Obama more moderate than Bush?

Bush gave bailouts to the banksters. Obama expanded those bailouts. Does that make Obama more moderate than Bush?

Bush said the Constitution was just a goddamned piece of paper. Obama took away the Constitutional right to due process and claims the right to arrest and assassinate people at will. Does that make Obama more moderate than Bush?

The two major parties do take turns in office, just to make people think that there's a difference, but the policies continue to get worse no matter which party is in power.

In European countries where they have proportional representation and actual parties that claim to be of the left, such as Communist, Socialist, Labor, and Green parties with seats in parliament, the US Democratic Party would be considered a party of the far right.

The only way to change things nonviolently is to withhold our consent and stop voting until we can establish a more democratic system where votes are actually counted and we have a real voice in policy decisions.

And please look of the dictionary definition of moderate. Moderates don't assassinate people without due process. Obama, like Bush before him, is a bloodthirsty tyrant, not a moderate.
 
 
0 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 15:16
Today, Democrats would be considered to the Right. Republicans would be considered far right (go read up on National Front in France for a refresher).

NOTHING will change by not voting: it only means you are relinquishing your rights to someone else. Voting is not an act of consent: by being an American you have already consented to be ruled by the majority (i.e. the Constitution). There IS not alternative aside from a Constitutional Convention to rewrite the Constitution.

The ONLY way you can change things non-violently is TO VOTE.
 
 
+1 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 13:00
Quoting beeyl:
I simply disagree: a sellout Democrat like Obama is 10x worse than an openly conservative Republican like McCain or Romney, for one reason: tribalism.


How is he a sellout? Did you ever read anything he wrote prior to running? I did. Surprisingly, not a whole lot of difference.

Am I disappointed that he wasn't more liberal? No, because I knew what he was before he ran.

Folks that think Obama is a "sell-out" were under this misunderstandin g the Obama was a liberal. He never was a liberal. At best I pegged him slightly right of center prior to running. Today he is still slightly right of center.

Just because you are disappointed that he isn't what you imagined him to be doesn't make him a sellout. It merely means you misunderstood what he was.
 
 
-4 # cordleycoit 2012-04-06 21:21
Don't you get it Obama is setting us all up for the fall. How long before Sheriff Jo3e has us marching naked though his City? How long before your children are told to rat you out? Or will the middle class turn in it's own children?
 
 
+13 # Anarchist 23 2012-04-07 08:34
the middle class has already turned on its own children-they have been in opposition since the 60s when they watched the Chicago cops beat the protestors in 68 and said nothing.
 
 
+2 # dreamour 2012-04-06 21:21
The current world is trending toward more intrusion into the fabric of our basic freedoms and has become pervasive. Another example of this is demonstrated by the Oregon Medical Association.On their website they spell out their Mission Statement. They actually state their objective s to be in line with "Agenda 21 and...the goals of reduced population..", It doesn't take much imagination to guess how a doctor would participate in reduction of the population!
 
 
+21 # aquapete 2012-04-06 21:33
Naomi Wolf has written a thoughtful and perceptive piece about the way our country is drifting inexorably toward a police state. The SCOTUS (scrotum)
decision is just one more step in that direction.

I don't know that I'd agree with the advice of one writer to boycott elections. If you question how the votes are counted join a group that pursues election integrity, and call for an investigation if irregularities appear to have occurred.

If you are concerned about what is going on at our airports, I urge you to watch a YouTube with Jesse Ventura who sued the TSA in federal district court. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE04WIB9V10&feature=player_embedded

He says we have become the fascist states of America, nor longer the United States of America.

He will no longer fly commercially.

When the courts become a tool of the state, then we are mirroring what happened in Nazi Germany, plain and simple. If you haven't seen the film, "The Final Days of Sophie Scholl," you need to watch it. Takes place in 1943 in Nazi Germany based on a true story. The parallels with what is happening in our country now are eerie. WAKE UP AMERICANS!
 
 
-6 # barbaratodish 2012-04-07 07:25
Let's all boy(and girl)cott ANY excess consumerism, and get to know our own "dark sides" for entertainment so we become comfortable in our own(dark AND light sides)skin. Let's all call our new virtual, TV channels:"ME TV"!
Let's all take a pledge or give ourselves
a pledge to remain where we are (planted)! Let's begin to grow and/or as Voltaire said "tend our own gardens"! We can even start real gardens or if without land, help cultivate cooperative
gardens so instead of cultivating "CULT"ure that is mostly made up of COMMERCIAL (read LIMITED art(ARTIFICIAL- non functional-) ego and drama and pornification of force, we cultivate the land which is real and yields a needed product- food!
 
 
+11 # aitengri 2012-04-06 21:37
Look at the "bend over backwards" caveat at the top of every one of these comment columns: "Do not advocate violence, or any illegal activity". Really? Is it illegal activity to refuse to cooperate with, and to actively undermine, the bureaucracy administering these new guidelines and "laws"? Why should violent new security practices be tolerated, without some countervailing power being leveraged by a threat of retribution against the perpetrators? Oppositional tactics will, ipso facto, be deemed illegal, and defined as violent. Hence, the RSN requirement here is sheer wimpish fuzzy headedness.
 
 
-6 # barbaratodish 2012-04-07 07:41
Humor and satire may also work. Let's try to show how comical "force" makes the physical force, of any kind appear rediculous,exce pt,of course, in self defense. Even when force is used in some "self" defense it can be made to look silly, if and when force is used when it is just ego and drama that was "at risk", instead of our self. In other words, IMHO, we first must HAVE a real self, instead of an ego and drama s
self, a constructed social,cultural
IDENTITY "self" that actually, physically and most of all IMMANENTLY NEEDS SELF as opposed to IDENTITY defense!
 
 
+33 # Saxifrages 2012-04-06 21:45
In 2006 i was erroneously arrestd in ventura,ca. A 35 yr old female bookkeeper with no record. When the police arrived at the scene i was unconscious on the ground but somehow they thought i was the assailant. I freaked out and had a panic attack in the police car as i had just been beaten by boyfriend and now faced a felony that would destroy my career. At jailii was uncontrollably crying and shaking and asking for water. They said they would take me to water but instead put me into a 6x8 empty cell and stripped my clothes off me. They jokingly gave me a dixie cup with about a tablespoon of water in it. There was no toilet so i had to release my upset bowels on a drain. I spent 18 hours naked in that cold bright cell with my pile of poo and the dixie cup i wiped myself with. Finally a male guard brought me clothes and booked me and sent me to cell areavwhere i was told by male guard to quickly drag my mattress into the cell or he would share it with me. I was bailed out by my abuser but had to be sweet and also pay him back$2000 and hire lawyer for $3500. When i went to court was told no charges were ever made and that my record was changed from arrested to merely detained. I have never told my family about this, just my therapist and a couple of close friends. How many will have to endure what i refer to as "the very bad thing" which gave me ptsd. I now realize that i was tortured.(This was a summary there was even more.)
 
 
-16 # barbaratodish 2012-04-07 07:50
WOW Saxifrages, you were resourceful, and creative, too. Bet those JACKARSSES running that jail you were in regretted even giving you the little sip of water in a paper cup that you turned into toilet paper! Consider going to comedy open mics and tell your experiences, it's cheaper than therapy, and the "therapist" may be more like an authoratative "cop" (making judgements, etc., even if unspoken) whereas you AND an open mic audience might benefit from sharing your interesting experiences.
 
 
+3 # Max Demian 2012-04-07 17:08
Believe me, especially you people who defend "the authorities", this is what most of them are like! I'm a man, and I don't defend most of the authorities. This is what our country has been coming to for a very long time now, inexorably, little by little, until now it is getting to be the absolute worst that it can be, where NO ONE is safe anymore, particularly at the hands of "the authorities". You are presumed guilty and you supposedly have no rights. It is fruitless to get violent against these "authorities", but I can certainly understand the temptation to become such against them when they are humiliating you. How can we stand by and let this happen to ourselves?!

I'm sorry, "Saxifrages" that it does absolutely no good for me to apologize to you for what you went through, but I am nevertheless SO VERY SORRY for what you endured. And what you went through is far more widespread than most "Americans" want to believe. In fact, it's gotten to the point where if this kind of treatment, or worse, doesn't happen to someone, they are the exception not the rule; when it should of course be the opposite. The entire U.S. society is going completely insane on an express train to hell; and, I'm very sad to say, it is only going to get worse, much worse.

Dear God, please help us all! Please protect people such as "Saxifrages"; like you clearly DID protect her whether it is apparent or not; since what happened to her could have been far worse. Thank you, Lord.
 
 
+2 # Cassandra2012 2012-04-08 12:45
Just another --horrific-- example of the widespread MISOGYNY that pervades this country and its ignorant, undereducated sexist police forces that get off on their *entitlement* to power (especially over women!)
 
 
-3 # Milarepa 2012-04-06 22:01
Thanks, Naomi - great and true. Not to sound facetious but couldn't we become more open about our bodies and cavities?
I mean could we spread our buttocks BEFORE being asked to do so? Sorry, bad joke, but face it we've got to get ahead of the people who are doing this. We do know they have no sense of humor. So I'm starting a movement - SPREAD FOR FREEDOM (SFF). We're starting by meeting behind closed doors of course - to PRACTICE. Oops, sorry again. That's already happening in thousands of homes across America. So okay all of you out there who are already spreading, become CONSCIOUS of what you're doing, and why. It's for a free future, a free America!
 
 
+4 # theotherside 2012-04-06 22:21
and the winner is.....
lets recall why the US has been so terribly perverted in its judicial system. The biggest victory for an enemy is a vanquished debasing himself. He sure is successful! What is the US going to do about this disgrace? If not even an Obama can rescind these inhuman methods?
 
 
+4 # beeyl 2012-04-07 14:05
Obama and his DOJ supported the majority opinion, so he's part of the reason we have this decision - not someone who tried hard to oppose it but fell short.

Which suggests that the real problem, here, is the tribalistic blindness that keeps the majority of Democrats in his thrall, no matter what crimes against their principles he commits.
 
 
-9 # Milarepa 2012-04-06 22:29
One more thing, Naomi. We could as people decide to get
dirty, I mean real dirt, in all the cavities. Don't shower, don't wash, especially when traveling by plane. Don't change underwear, let the crud accumulate. In other words start stinking. That'll teach 'em. So I'm starting a movement - Start Stinking Bad (SSB) - to counteract cavity searches. I realize millions of people already stink, so let's encourage those people to travel. The SSB slogan for this is If You Stink, Travel! And don't you think I'm kidding either!
 
 
+12 # aliattitude 2012-04-06 22:34
I sadly predict that the Second American Recolution will not remain peaceful, but will out of pure necessity and frustration, become violent. And it may involve an assassination of a Supreme Court justice. I do not in any way advocate this! I just at this point don't see a peaceful alternative. If the government won't listen to us now, when? Has our American arrogance brought us to this? I see also an irony in this turn of American attitude toward sexuality. We have been such damned loyal scions of the Puritans, and yet we are so very fascinated with sexuality, nudity, and pornography. Mayhaps we're getting a dose of ugly reality about this, and some other issues which will really cause us to rethink our values and priorities. I pray for a
Peaceful revolution, but sadly I do not think it will be nearly sufficient to turn this rapidly declining fascist corporatocracy around.
 
 
+10 # Anarchist 23 2012-04-07 08:38
"Those who make peace revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable" John F. Kennedy
 
 
+7 # angelfish 2012-04-06 22:45
There MUST be a way to rein in this Rogue Court! Are we sheep to prodded, probed and humiliated WITHOUT due process? We are not YET a Third World Gulag but the Founders wouldn't recognize what's been done to their beautiful dream of Freedom with Liberty and Justice for ALL! The Nazi/Fascist "New World Order" proponents have stacked the Court with Hard Right-Wing Ideologues who are Legislating from the Bench, and unsuspecting, NAIVE and downright ignorant citizens are being shahoolahed into voting AGAINST their OWN best interests in favor of the Mega-Wealthy who are writing the Laws being enacted! Beware, dear Folks. Don't be lulled into thinking that "it could never happen in America". It is HAPPENING as I write! Look to Michigan to see what they want to do to the rest of us! They want a Worker/Drone Society ruled by the Wealthy. Democracy is being kicked to the curb, dear Folks! Get educated! KNOW your enemy. Do NOT be taken in by their smiling faces and benign demeanor. THIS is why they won't work for the common good to repair our Infra-structure and put Americans back to work! They are Hyenas who are ALREADY feeding off the less fortunate who have been decimated by the greed and corruption of the Politicians who have become Millionaires while supposedly working for US! Fight them tooth and nail, dear Folks! The People, UNITED, will NEVER be defeated! Remember and Vote them OUT in November!
 
 
+8 # Johnny 2012-04-07 12:23
Vote them out? Who is "them?" There is no way to "vote them out" because "them" is all that will be on the ballot.
 
 
+11 # paula schramm 2012-04-06 22:50
OK, I am going to be sort of pollyanna and say " despair is not an option". These laws are extremely disturbing and must be fought and objected to. There are plenty of ways to be smart and change things.( For instance re:voting, until we can have paper-trail ballots again, we can do exit polling and see where there are glaring discrepancies...)
Talk to people, discuss, spread information. Organize ! Run good people in primaries, get so many people out to vote that cheating doesn't matter ! Be inspired by how people have fought back in Wisconsin !
 
 
-16 # barbaratodish 2012-04-07 08:17
Everybody, instead of voting in November 2012 for anyone in ANY of the
political party's POOLS OF FOOLS: recruited, vetted, groomed can(not)didates , lets all do a write-in vote for the funniest commedian to lead us, in laughter, to internment! Let's all WANT to be interned so that all the real HUMOR WILL be locked up and the 1% will find themselves LOCKED out of humor, at least until and if the 1% ever find their lost sense of humor and then decide to either let us out of internment camps or join us for the entertainment we give ourselves! lol
 
 
+5 # Scott Griffith 2012-04-06 22:55
This will be a very hard adjustment for most in the U.S., but we should remember that this tactic to humiliate us only works if we are genuinely humiliated by it. It's using what is probably an an already exaggerated cultural sense of shame over the perfectly ordinary state of nakedness. Take that away and they're powerless.
 
 
+2 # Erdajean 2012-04-07 13:15
Scott, thanks for the sociological pie in the sky. There is a better idea, I think, than smiling while we show them our bare heinies. Some of us prefer fury over willing humiliation. I think collectively getting mad as hell and acting it out is a LOT better solution. Bullies understand it. as our fists and pitchforks MIGHT harm them -- or at least we can try --
 
 
+6 # Sully747 2012-04-06 23:10
All your thumbs up & thumbs down along with your comments are being monitored….
 
 
-10 # barbaratodish 2012-04-07 08:27
Being monitored may be better than being invisible! (which we mostly are, even to our selves!) Maybe we will all begin to wake up and find monitoring more entertaining than mindless dumbing down. Maybe monitoring can become a mind "sport". Let's recalim, or for the first time(?) claim our minds, and then bring them to comments to exercise them and COMPETE in who gets moniored the most! OLYMPIC MONITORING,in preparation for OLYMPIC INTERNMENTS! Let's prepare to give ourselves red white and blue "ribbons" for early internment awards due to most monitored comments!
 
 
+11 # Anarchist 23 2012-04-07 08:41
Quoting Sully747:
All your thumbs up & thumbs down along with your comments are being monitored….

Nice to know someone cares! since I am going to die anyway, I don't see the point of being a cowardly or ignorant sheeple. If they come for me, I will just be crossing the Great River that much sooner-and this is not a place that I have much enjoyed during my lifetime so-bring it on!
 
 
0 # Billy Bob 2012-04-07 20:43
Is this a suicide note? Some of us don't hate life altogether.
 
 
+4 # angelfish 2012-04-07 08:56
Quoting Sully747:
All your thumbs up & thumbs down along with your comments are being monitored….

Hey Sully, Don't you already KNOW that you can run, but you cannot hide?! Even so, Come quickly, Lord!
 
 
+5 # thorn262 2012-04-06 23:33
At Naomi's words,

“With that Big Brother eye in place, working alongside these strip-search laws..."

the harrowing image below immediately burbled up to me. But first, some words as introduction to this grapic/poster from Edwin Black:

"(Dehomag) created two surrealistic promotional posters. One…depicted an odious eye floating in the sky projecting a punch card over everything below. The caption read: “See everything with Hollerith punch cards.” No one could escape. This was something new for mankind. Never before had so many people been identified so precisely, so silently, so quickly, and with such far-reaching consequences."

http://www.adbranch.com/how-ibm-helped-automate-the-nazi-death-machine/ibm_hollerrith_punchcards_1934/

(I send this at near 'soul's midnight,' 3:30 AM, April 7, 2012)
 
 
+7 # brschlie 2012-04-06 23:39
When I caught this article, I bookmarked it and moved it to my years ago established folder "rise of the fourth Reich. Can we get an anti-meme going about this? I never really have done Nazi/Gestapo stuff...not in it's full manifestation. And I really don't care to. Nazi fingerprints have been everywhere over the last sixty plus years. They have now..at their figertips the benefits of all the corrupt academic and corporate research that empowers them to control human beings. Remember these boys and girls are cultists with a very different philosophical way of creating and interpreting the human experience. It is down the rabbit hole, that I believe most of us wouldn't particularly want to experience. We have been programmed for this for years. Review the movies you have watched over the last twenty-thirty years (talking about social memes and the creation of reality). We will see those scripts re-enacted. I fear for our future...don't you? What would have happened if Bapu had gone up against adolf. Would our world be better...?....i f so, would we value the good that was given to us? Do we understand the potential loss of...the almost inevitable loss of our American blessing aka "good" given to us by our founding revolutionary forefathers and mothers? What is all that worth?
 
 
-2 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 13:44
Rule of thumb in an argument:

"First one who says Nazi or Hitler loses"

So, no, not really a good meme...
 
 
+12 # lydiablanchard@yahoo.com 2012-04-06 23:54
What is happening is sexual humiliation, if we permit it to happen WITHOUT a loud yowl, showing that we see it for what it is: sexual ABUSE.

Certainly it is legally sexual abuse if it is of a minor or an elder. SUSPICION of sexual abuse of either is justly "reportable".

And abusive touching of those between 18 and 65 years of age might legally be considered "dependent adult abuse", since the traveler is forced into TSA's "care". Hence it is arguably reportable.

Make sure it happens, if it does, in public. Fill the "protective services" of your or any county with these reports till they must resort to the courts to resolve them. Demand that your report be resolved according to law. The county is mandated to forward your report to the county protective services of the county in which the suspected abuse occurred. Don't let anyone tell you that government employees are above abuse law!

Stick up for minors and elders if you see them abused. They will at some point thank you for it rather than feel humiliated.

--a licensed psychotherapist
 
 
-11 # barbaratodish 2012-04-07 08:36
Perhaps you have a hidden agenda:maybe more patients with "almost" PTSD? What is the difference, really, between MOST psychotherapist s and police, you are (mostly- with a few rare exceptions) MIND POLICE who JUDGE if someone (the 1%, etc are ALWAYs exempt, tho) dares to be politically incorrect, and medicalize them. And if they are poor, you PATHOLOGIZE them!
 
 
+4 # Saxifrages 2012-04-07 14:11
Barabara, i have a wonderful holistic therapist who never judged and was temendously helpful and important . I am sorry that you apparently had a very bad experience with therapy that so brightly colored your disdain for them. I would suggest that you give therapy another chance. Namaste.
 
 
-9 # barbaratodish 2012-04-08 11:14
I detest anyone making a "living" off of others vulnerability! Did you know that there is an attempt to make "VICARIOUS PTSD"(Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) an actual diagnosis? This means that Doctors, social workers, therapists, etc., can THEMSELVES be diagnosed with a form of PTSD, and be able to collect Social Security Disability Insurance benefits just because they LISTENED to the trauma of others! PARASITES!
 
 
+19 # Dave_s Not Here 2012-04-06 23:59
I used to live in the USA. I left and moved to Canada in 1964. Best thing I ever did for myself. I can't imagine living in the USA today. It reminds me of Nazi Germany.
 
 
+12 # seeuingoa 2012-04-07 01:26
OCCUPY! OCCUPY! OCCUPY!


Operation Gandhi:

Step 1: Sit down and get arrested
peacefully

Step 2: When released, repeat Step 1

Where will they put all these people?

Guantanamo?
Concentration Camps?


(Google Gandhi and see how it worked for him.)
 
 
+2 # fishmother 2012-04-09 11:18
In 1968 at the Democratic convention lots of antiwar activists wound up being "detained" at one of the sports stadiums. Where there’s a will, there’s always a big enough place.
 
 
+11 # seeuingoa 2012-04-07 03:05
With 9/11 the terrorists tried to
destroy our life style.

Did they win???????
 
 
+10 # Anarchist 23 2012-04-07 08:44
Quoting seeuingoa:
With 9/11 the terrorists tried to
destroy our life style.

Did they win???????

The 911 terrorists were NOT who the media tells you they were and yes, the terrorists have , so far, won. Welkommen to the Fascist GSA (Geheim Staats of Amerikka) Papiers, bitte; squat and spread!
 
 
+8 # Ronv 2012-04-07 03:42
This ruling is begging for someone to follow the Supreme Court Justices around, strip search them once they have commit a violation no matter how minor ("Looks like you just dropped a gum wrapper, Mr. Scalia-strip and bend over, please."), then jail them for six days for an offence they did not commit, as happened with Albert Florence. At the end of the jail term, returning their clothes would be optional.
 
 
+5 # slow_learner 2012-04-07 04:01
Thank you,Naomi,again , for stating the obvious. The obvious needs to be reiterated for WRKnight -- the elections are rigged by money and computer hacking. Democracy is not just a vote. We need to act, and an Occupy Nude action seems appropriate.
 
 
+5 # Vardoz 2012-04-07 12:15
It is clear that our govt, the Supreme court, corporations and our reps are working as hard as they can to crush free speech and our constitutional rights, liberties and freedoms. We are becoming another Russia or China. They don't want anyone getting in the way of their agenda of control, enslavement and impoverishment. They are assaulting all Americans very agressively to get their way. It is a very dark time for the 99%. A dreadful time. I never thought it would get this bad here. But we should look toward the people of Wisconsin. None have been pepper sprayed, beaten or strip searched yet anyway. 140,000 protested and they are waging a well organized and enduring battle against Walker and having success. We now know what it feels like to be black in America.
 
 
+5 # Don Thomann 2012-04-07 04:11
Those who do the strip-searching are less than human, not the victims of this despotic practice! They are running scared!
Remember-
Ultimately, fear destroys the fearful, NOT the feared!
 
 
+9 # Olenska 2012-04-07 04:17
NATIONAL PETITION TO PASS THE DUE PROCESS GUARANTEE ACT AND REPEAL THE NDAA

We need one million signatures to sway members of Congress.. It is an election year, so this might do it. Here is the petition. Please circulate it. Many thanks
http://signon.org/sign/pass-the-due-process
 
 
+5 # Anarchist 23 2012-04-07 08:47
The congress should nullify these laws-most of what has been passed is unconstitutiona l-as they all attack inalienable rights set out in the Bill of Rights-which has been destroyed-the Constitution is now, in GWB's words "just a goddamned piece of paper"
 
 
+11 # hillwright 2012-04-07 04:26
Remember the Nazi's had judges too, to approve their new laws.
 
 
+8 # James Marcus 2012-04-07 04:39
The vote for President is a Charade of 'Tweedle Dum or Tweedle Dee; Take your pick"
and yes Diebold voting machines assured the Wave of Takeover (Folks , Wake up; Our Government has already been 'taken over' by those who have then destroyed the very Rule of Law (PROVEN by theses 'recent trashings' of our Constitutional Rights)
The President, Majority of Both Houses of Congress and Majority of Supreme Court Justices..... no longer represent We The People.
Who, I ask you, are The Real Terrorists?
The U S population may be Dumb, Disconnected and Distracted, but it has gone way beyond this; and way beyond 'write your representative' or 'vote for the other guy'.
The Bullies have taken over the ship, and are making a Mockery of the Navigation, Steering and Self -Correction Software, originally designed to Correct/Alter our National Courses. The Infiltration is Profound, using 911, which They perpetrated, to both justify it all, and fool certain ('successfully frightened') Dummies among us to do the actual dirty work (at the airports, Dept of HS, CIA, within Government etc.
 
 
+7 # moby doug 2012-04-07 05:50
The Rogue Supremes may be Public Enemy #1, but the FBI will never list them as such. What do citizens do when the top "justices" in the land are deeply unjustice, inhumane, illegal, and unconstitutiona l.....and appointed for life? It's grotesque the way the "mainstream" (billionaire-ow ned) media respectfully reports the Roberts Court's monstrous and deeply subversive "decisions." This is an ongoing, living, corporate-fasci st, nightmare.
 
 
+5 # mjc 2012-04-07 06:38
Feeling the same despair that many posting here do but think the very first comment on this blog, from peacedragon, said it all. Younger Americans may have the Occupy movement, older Americans believe in the power of the ballot...becaus e in our younger days it was possible to change the philosophical direction of this country via the ballot. That is really not true anymore. We NEED more effective strategies to defeat this move to an authoritarian state, no matter what you call it.
 
 
+3 # Johnny 2012-04-07 12:33
I disagree with your view of old people. My first campaign work was for Lyndon Johnson, because we knew that if Goldwater was elected he would go to war in Vietnam. Duhh! It took me a few more elections, but I think we old people know from experience that voting makes not difference. Only money counts--big, Goldman-Sachs, AIPAC type money.
 
 
+2 # dick 2012-04-07 07:02
Powerful essay. Very discouraging. Voting for spineless Obama proved that voting is not near enough. Yes, decades, even generations, will be required. MASSIVE civil disobedience will be required. Desensitizing ourselves to sexual humiliation will be required. However, authorities must be faced with: Your pervert agent strip US & we'll shut down all of your main streets in flash events during rush hour for months. "Dang, my car won't start." "Dang, my car stalled on the bridge, in the tunnel." "See you again tomorrow, & tomorrow, & tomorrow."
 
 
0 # Max Demian 2012-04-10 09:33
Unfortunately, Dick, they don't care anymore, if they ever did. And now they've got "the big guns" like never before. They'll just come in and remove all of that which is blocking commerce, and use it to make it appear that "we really are surrounded (with average American) 'terrorists'", and to get the sheople to cry out against and turn on the True Americans. It's already happening. Most people would rather be sheep. They surrendered their dignity, independence, liberty, freedom of choice and privacy to the totalitarian nanny state a long time ago. They love and even prefer enslavement over freedom, because true liberty and freedom is the ultimate in scary to them, and they would rather be controlled because it makes them feel "secure". Of course, under that nanny state control they are the opposite of secure, but they'd rather live the lie of false "security" than to live in the "insecurity" of liberty and freedom of choice. It's too scary to them to not have things dictated to them, and to not just "automatonicall y", or robotically, simply conform and do virtually everything by rote, without thinking for themselves. The conformity is so widespread now that most "Amerikans" think that all those who don't conform to the government are supposedly "deviants", "anarchists", "criminals", "dangerous" and, now, "terrorists"; and that the only people who supposedly aren't any of those things are those who willingly bow down to the state. Thus, we're fracked.
 
 
+9 # Whovian Jim 2012-04-07 07:48
I'm presently reading Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine," and so much of what is happening around us, so much of what Naomi Wolf describes here, is incredibly similar to the methods outlined by Klein to intimidate and control people. And it's all done for the benefit of the rich and powerful.
 
 
+10 # Billy Bob 2012-04-07 07:50
Of course this is why they wanted the body scanners in airports as well.

We all knew that instinctively.
 
 
+1 # Gengis 2012-04-07 08:45
The process of development of democracy stagnated long ago & not just in the United States. All we have to do is ask oursleves how big an organization & how much money would we need to run for a federal seat in government. The answer is obvious - enough to make it impossible unless we are one of the 1% except possibly in the most remote of circumstances.
When the development stagnated, democracies had developed to the state of occurring only one day out of all the years an elected official can remain in office before the next election is called. The rest of the days in those terms of office, the official can be as officious and self-serving as they want, as long as they stay in the grey area between illegal and unethical or immoral.
It took blood to achieve the Magna Carta. It took blood to break away from Britain. It took blood to quell the racism of slavery. Does anyone think the present power the 1% is addicted to can be changed by peaceful means. Mandela did it in South Africa, but the regime there did not have the CIA, the FBI and all the new brown shirt agencies Washington has spawned.
Would a new party swing it? Say a party of the 99%, based on nothing but word of mouth and free press (RSN and the web are the only free press in North America and the 1% (the feds) are after control of the web.) Oh and maybe the BBC in the UK and the CBC in Canada but the dismantling of the CBC has begun.
 
 
+5 # Vardoz 2012-04-07 10:02
This is so frightening. It really makes one want to leave the country. I hate it when Obama talks about Democracy and freedom - it's all window dressing and he knows it. Voting out as many in congress and replacing them with people like Elizabeth Warren, Joe Kennedy and Bernie Sanders is very important. I wonder what kind of a world the Supreme Court justices want? Does a few protesters really pose a huge threat to corporations? Why vote so harshly against to safety of the people? Did you know that even Patrick Leahy, the so called Progressive from VT voted for the NDAA and so did Senator Diane Feinstein! NEVER VOTE FOR THESE GUYS AGAIN. They are frauds. Go to this website to see who voted against the NDAA http://freakoutnation.com/2011/12/16/the-86-senators-who-voted-to-pass-ndaa-need-to-occupy-the-unemployment-line/
 
 
-2 # okie_mule 2012-04-07 13:53
I have become more and more worried as our freedoms have eroded. Al Qaida has created for us what they have lived with for a long time. They have caused the creation of a police state in America and it makes me sick to my stomach. How weak we are as a nation to allow this to happen? I love what this country used to be. I fear for my grand children and their futures. The Supreme Court should not house idealogues of either conservative or liberal views, but of views of traditional and constitutional values of a free and democratic America. When we give up our freedoms for security, we will have neither. I'm getting older and my life may not be worth very much anymore, but my descendents deserve better in the time they have. Both versions of George Orwell's "1984" need to be televised over and over on television so that our citizens get a look at a watered down, but possible, version of their future.
 
 
+8 # Richard Raznikov 2012-04-07 16:15
Al Qaida did not cause the creation of a police state. That is a misperception. The people running this country wanted to impose one and needed our silent agreement to get away with it. 9-11 was a handy excuse, that's all. It certainly shouldn't have been enough reason to destroy our civil liberties. Even if we as a nation were really under attack by outside forces, our civil liberties would be our best defense. As it is, we are under attack from forces within, the forces which want to destroy that country you and I and the rest of us on this thread truly want and value.
 
 
+3 # Max Demian 2012-04-07 18:04
Sadly, most people can watch it and just not get it, though. To them it's just "fiction". Most of them won't see parallels with what's happening today in Amerika; or, if they do, they'll just turn over and willfully go back to sleep, giving in to their so-called "powerlessness" to do anything about it anyway. The masses have that successfully been dumbed-down and made powerless, or to completely believe that they're "powerless", and believe in bowing to the government. That's how successful the indoctrination and conditioning have been to make most "Amerikans" willing slaves. (See my comment immediately-abo ve this one.)
 
 
0 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 15:00
Quoting Max Demian:
The masses have that successfully been dumbed-down and made powerless, or to completely believe that they're "powerless", and believe in bowing to the government.


Except WE are government. We can change it anytime we want to. We can make it as left-wing or right-wing as we want it.

This fiction of the "dumbed down masses" and being "made powerless" - doesn't exist. This is the kind of meme created by those who are frustrated that change doesn't happen in 15 minutes.

Some of the folks here were not around when schools were segregated, when whites and blacks didn't mingle, when the thought of a Catholic President sent the willies down ones spine. If you had told me we would have an African American as President IN MY LIFETIME I would have laughed.

The fiction is that we are powerless. We are not.

The fiction is that we have no voice. We do.

The fiction is that we are dumb. We are not.

The more people write like this the angrier I get. I have seen great social change in my life. I expect to see much more. We the People are not dumb, or powerless, or incapable - YOU may be, but WE are not.

We can make change, for the better. If you don't want to help us, then we'll get someone who does. I believe in the People of the United States. We are strong, we are capable, and we are not stupid. Go push your fiction on someone else.

We've got things to do.
 
 
0 # Max Demian 2012-04-09 17:51
You didn't even "get", or you completely ignored, the heart of that, my sentence, and the context of my comment and my comments as a whole. I am NOT saying that "We, the People" are truly powerless. I'm saying that we've been led to believe that we "are". But, it IS true, whether you want to believe it or not, that the majority of the population HAS been dumbed-down. In fact, they have been to such an extent that most of them believe the fiction that they are "powerless". That's why over 50% of the population doesn't vote any longer. That's why most of them can't have a constructive conversation about politics, and will quickly change the subject to a "joke" and/or some- thing(s) equally as mindless. That's why everything is a "joke", and must be a "joke", to them, and that they can't take much seriously, or don't want to. I don't know what part of the U.S. you live in, but if in wherever you live most so-called "Americans" aren't completely, willfully blind to what's going on, and wouldn't take a stand if their lives depended upon it (which their lives DO depend upon it RIGHT NOW), then you live in the exception not the rule. But I doubt very much that you live in such a place, or that one even exists in "America" anymore. I truly wish that I was wrong. But it IS truly that serious in "America" right now.

(Cont'd)
 
 
0 # Max Demian 2012-04-09 20:29
(Cont'd)

So, why is all of this true? Because they have been dumbed-down! THAT'S A FACT, whether you like it or not. I truly wish it wasn't so, but it IS, and I just, evidently unlike you, totally face reality. If they weren't, the vast majority of the population would have already risen up and taken their government and country back. Perhaps they still will, if it isn't too late, but I doubt it. Again, I wish I was completely wrong; but, very sadly and unfortunately, I am not. For instance, the more that the Occupy movement rises up, the more repressive the government's going to get, and bring out more and more of the big artillery to suppress the movement, to kill it in its tracks; and they don't care how many people they come to literally kill in the process. Also, they will just lock up more and more people, and hold them longer and longer. You think there isn't enough jail space? Well, that's where you're wrong, too. They have secret prisons, better known as concentration camps, all over this country, in every state in the Union, including Alaska and Hawaii; and, when things get "too revolutionary" and/or "ugly", the government will just begin taking people to them; and, eventually, people will never get out of them, and will just "disappear". That's how bad things have already gotten to be; and, again, I'm just totally facing reality.

(Cont'd)
 
 
-2 # feloneouscat 2012-04-10 08:39
"Because they have been dumbed-down! THAT'S A FACT, whether you like it or not."

Your saying it does not make it a "fact", it merely makes it an opinion. My opinion is far more optimistic, brighter, and seems to have a kinder view towards people.

A dark, morose, and fatalistic view gets us nowhere. It says nothing can be done so don't even bother trying.

An optimistic view says we CAN make changes. We just have to get off our butts.

Yes, there are obstacles. Welcome to life. But WE can overcome them if we our our minds to it.
 
 
0 # Max Demian 2012-04-10 09:20
(Cont'd)

[Interjection: Since you evidently don't understand what "dumbed-down" means, it does not necessarily mean that people who are dumbed-down are "dumb" per se. Many of them are highly educated people, but they're still dumbed-down because they're indoctrinated and conditioned, they've been greatly falsely educated and brainwashed, and because even with all of that education they still live in deep avoidance and denial of politics, what's really going on, and about their responsibility( ies) and duty(ies) to be vigilant to tyranny and despotism, and to stand up against it. They are what the Christian musician, John Michael Talbot calls, "educated fools". Most of those "educated fools" just sit back and let our country be destroyed, and really believe that they're doing the right thing by doing so. That is mass-insanity. Most "Americans", like yourself(ves), live in a fantasy world. They really believe, even after all of the evidence has been shown them to the contrary, that their vote(s) will stop the slide into fascism, that the real problems supposedly aren't caused by the government itself, and they believe the lies of government, or very soon will do so more and more, that we're supposedly surrounded by white, Anglo-Saxon, American-citize n "terrorists", and that the government is only right to go after those who they believe are "terrorists", but that are mostly nothing more than completely innocent, non-violent Americans like myself.]

(Cont'd)
 
 
0 # Max Demian 2012-04-10 10:02
(Cont'd)

Unlike you, I study every day about what's really going on; and, because you and your ilk are almost completely and willfully ignorant of what's really going on and how really bad it is, you have little or no idea of just how severe and dire the situation truly is. Once more, of course I wish I was completely wrong! PROVE me wrong. I want to be wrong, believe me. But you can't PROVE me wrong. You can ONLY give me your "beliefs" as so-called "proof" that I'm wrong. You cannot truly PROVE it. You heavily and/or very deeply live in avoidance and denial like most "Americans"; and, therefore, all you can give as so-called "proof" is more avoidance and denial, rationalization s, and attacks against me and my "kind". Again, PROVE me wrong. But no attacks against my character, rationalization s, and/or further denial and avoidance of the facts, WHATSOEVER (if you can, which I don't believe that you can). You apparently don't want to completely wake up to what's really going on and how extremely bad it is; and, if your response(s) to my comment(s) is and/or are any indication, which I believe that it is, and/or they are, you probably never will totally face just how literally "grave" the situation really is. Why? Because you will probably never go and study it out for yourself, and will continue to bury your head in the sand like most "Americans" do.

(Cont'd)
 
 
-1 # Max Demian 2012-04-10 18:34
(Cont'd)

Furthermore, what are YOU doing to truly stand up against this madness? Are you ready and willing to die very soon for defending liberty and freedom? Because, that's what you have to be willing to do right now in order to truly do so. But I doubt very much that you are ready, willing and able to do that, and that you ever will be. You talk a good talk, and you write a well-written blurb, in criticism and ad hominem attack, but I see right through you to your spinelessness. What am I doing, you ask? I will probably be taken away and murdered by the government very soon, that's how much I am doing; completely non-violently and with nothing but an anti-violence stand. I have already been unconstitutiona lly visited by DHS for being "framed" with a totally false non-judicial "charge" and been served with a completely unconstitutiona l federal "restraining order" not to make any contact with a federal government agency in my entire state, except for one entrapping department of that agency (which I have not and will not fall for or contact in any way). I will also probably be visited by them again very soon, even though it has been six years since I was visited by them the first time. Why? Because I continue to unflinchingly stand up liberty and freedom, and human and civil rights, that's why.

(Cont'd)
 
 
-1 # Max Demian 2012-04-10 22:21
(Cont'd)

(And, in case you're tempted to think that I'm an isolated case, think again. Millions of completely innocent Americans like myself are being visited by the feds.)

(Cont'd)
 
 
-1 # Max Demian 2012-04-11 12:22
(Cont'd)

Have you been visited by DHS? And/or, for your (so-called?) stand for human and civil rights, and liberty and freedom, are you very likely to be visited by them (again?) very soon? Are you, as I very likely am just due to that one visit of myself alone, even though I truly did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong (I don't even own any firearms, never have owned any in my entire life; and, because of my religiousness, I don't believe in them FOR MYSELF, nor do I believe in ANY violence WHATSOEVER), on "terrorist" watch lists and/or the "No-Fly List"? (I haven't "tested" whether I am or not, because I haven't flown since 1996; and, as long as TSA is violating the human rights and civil liberties of flyers, I won't be flying or finding out whether I'm on the list(s) or not either.) Are you, other than in comments threads, being monitored and having your Fourth Amendment rights to privacy violated as I likely am for doing absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever, or for doing absolutely nothing righteously illegal under any law(s) that is and/or are constitutional? Are you specifically being falsely and fraudulently treated and/or targeted as being a so-called "threat", as I am, for doing nothing but constitutionall y and non-violently standing up human rights and civil liberties, and liberty and freedom?

(Cont'd)
 
 
0 # Max Demian 2012-04-11 13:54
(Cont'd)

None of this is to be interpreted that I'm in any way "bragging" about my insufficient stand for human and civil rights, and liberty and freedom. I don't "want" to be taken away, or to "commit suicide by cop". I DON'T want any of that to happen, or anything bad to happen to me, at the hands of the government. But I will not be a coward either, or traitorously sit idly by while "our" country is being turned into a totalitarian corporate-fasci st militarized police state, as it IS being turned into right now, without continuing to speak out unflinchingly against it. So, if I am taken away and/or murdered by the government for being nothing but a non-violent True American Patriot, and for doing nothing but non-violently standing for liberty and freedom, and human rights and civil liberties, then so be it. Can you truly say the same? I doubt it. You may march in protests, and you may have been arrested, but by and large I'd likely safely bet that you avoid like the plague anything and everything in the way of truly standing for human and civil rights, and liberty and freedom, that gets you much "on the radar" of the government. Again, am I wrong; and I want to be proven wrong; about and/or at least on some of what I've said? But please don't take me up on the "challenge" with false "proof" that I'm supposedly "wrong", and/or mis- or over- representing what you allegedly do to stand up for liberty and freedom, and human rights and civil liberties, etc.
 
 
-1 # feloneouscat 2012-04-13 08:24
Quoting Max Demian:
None of this is to be interpreted that I'm in any way "bragging" about my insufficient stand for human and civil rights, and liberty and freedom.


Actually it sounds a lot like you are bragging.

(cut out more "murdered by the government" hyperbole)

Quoting Max Demian:
Can you truly say the same?


My god I hope I NEVER say the same! If I do, I would ask that my physician put me on medication.

Quoting Max Demian:
Again, am I wrong; and I want to be proven wrong; about and/or at least on some of what I've said? But please don't take me up on the "challenge" with false "proof" that I'm supposedly "wrong", and/or mis- or over- representing what you allegedly do to stand up for liberty and freedom, and human rights and civil liberties, etc.


I offer no proof whatsoever because most likely you would not agree it to be such.

I can only offer what I believe to be true. If you disagree, that is your privilege.

I do not believe that pushing a narrative that is filled with darkness and despair helps anyone, much less get others agreeing to your cause. You have to push a positive narrative. One based on hope, not despair. One based on ability, not hopelessness. One based on love, not hate.

That's my opinion.
 
 
-1 # feloneouscat 2012-04-13 08:04
Quoting Max Demian:
Have you been visited by DHS?


No. Nor is that a badge of honor. Sticking your hand in a fire ants nest will just get you stung and won't impress the fire ants one bit.

Quoting Max Demian:
And/or, for your (so-called?) stand for human and civil rights, and liberty and freedom, are you very likely to be visited by them (again?) very soon?


No, because it is impossible to change things when you are dead (if we follow that the U.S. is interested in killing you to keep you quiet).

Quoting Max Demian:
Are you, as I very likely am just due to that one visit of myself alone, even though I truly did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong (I don't even own any firearms, never have owned any in my entire life; and, because of my religiousness...


Oh, I believe in guns. Don't own any, but I believe they will kill you dead. As I say, I'm a pacifist.

Quoting Max Demian:
Are you, other than in comments threads, being monitored and having your Fourth Amendment rights to privacy violated...


Only on Facebook.

Quoting Max Demian:
Are you specifically being falsely and fraudulently treated and/or targeted as being a so-called "threat"...


What does this have to do with the price of milk? Something that happened six years ago?
 
 
-1 # feloneouscat 2012-04-13 07:52
Quoting Max Demian:
Furthermore, what are YOU doing to truly stand up against this madness?


Since it is your opinion that I live in a world of self-delusion, nothing I say will change your opinion.

Quoting Max Demian:
Are you ready and willing to die very soon for defending liberty and freedom? Because, that's what you have to be willing to do right now in order to truly do so.


Again, your opinion. Are you willing to walk around with a cardboard sign saying "The End is Nigh"?

Quoting Max Demian:
But I doubt very much that you are ready, willing and able to do that, and that you ever will be. You talk a good talk, and you write a well-written blurb, in criticism and ad hominem attack, but I see right through you to your spinelessness.


Yeah, marching in the 60's surrounded by police with guns was certainly a spineless thing to do.

Quoting Max Demian:
What am I doing, you ask?


Actually, didn't ask. Don't really care.

Quoting Max Demian:
I will probably be taken away and murdered by the government very soon, that's how much I am doing; completely non-violently and with nothing but an anti-violence stand.


Ah. I've been non-violent since the 60's and am a pacifist to boot. I'd go into how I live an agrarian life-style, low-carbon footprint, etc. but that would just bore you.
 
 
-1 # feloneouscat 2012-04-13 07:41
Quoting Max Demian:
Unlike you, I study every day about what's really going on


You have no idea what I do every day.

Quoting Max Demian:
because you and your ilk are almost completely and willfully ignorant of what's really going on and how really bad it is, you have little or no idea of just how severe and dire the situation truly is.


Again, you do not know whether or not I am ignorant. More bad assumptions.

Quoting Max Demian:
Once more, of course I wish I was completely wrong! PROVE me wrong. I want to be wrong, believe me. But you can't PROVE me wrong. You can ONLY give me your "beliefs" as so-called "proof" that I'm wrong. You cannot truly PROVE it.


So far you have not offered proof, you have offered opinion. Because I have a differing opinion does not make it wrong - it merely make it my opinion. Feel free to disagree - that's your right.

You need to discern the difference between opinion and fact. Offering up an opinion does not make it fact.
 
 
-2 # feloneouscat 2012-04-13 07:27
Quoting Max Demian:
Since you evidently don't understand what "dumbed-down" means, it does not necessarily mean that people who are dumbed-down are "dumb" per se.


Sorry, but your "belief" of what it means stands in stark contrast as to what the majority understand it to mean. Dumbed down actually means lowering intellectual content (as in the news is "dumbed down").

As for "fascism" perhaps you might want to look the word up. This country is not sliding into fascism. Is it right of center? Most assuredly. Does it have a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology? No.
 
 
0 # Max Demian 2012-04-17 08:12
"It is written, thus says the Lord [God the Father through Jesus the Christ, the Word(s) of God and the Maker / Creator of all things except evil]...":

"...Get... behind (Jesus the Christ), Satan[ist(s)].. ."! "...You are of your father the devil, and the lies of your father you (perpetrate)... "! [Matthew 16:23 and John 8:44; etc.; emphasis and/or clarification(s ) added by me.]
 
 
-1 # feloneouscat 2012-04-10 08:48
Quoting Max Demian:
You didn't even "get", or you completely ignored, the heart of that, my sentence, and the context of my comment and my comments as a whole.)


That is your opinion. In reality, I read it and reread it to pull out the salient parts. That you have a negative view about the citizens of this country and what they can do.

Nor do I buy that they believe they are powerless - I believe that in your opinion YOU believe that, but I don't believe people in the United States do. I talk to a lot of people from different parts of the country. They are neither stupid nor think they are powerless.

In other words my reality testing doesn't match your assumptions or opinions.

You are welcome to your opinions, but do not be surprised if not everyone agrees with them.
 
 
+5 # Phillybuster 2012-04-07 15:41
The way I frame current events is that we are living through an era comparable to the downfall of the Roman Republic and the rise of the oligarchic Roman Empire; similar as well to the end of the German Weimar Republic and the rise of the corporate state and totalitarian fascism.

We as citizens may be able to slow the transition somewhat but history teaches us that these changes are inevitable and irreversible. Those with power, like those with wealth, never have enough. They are never satiated. They can never have too much.

The means and methods of control by this government over its citizenry have never been more authoritarian and the individual never been more insignificant.

Too many Americans have been entertained and lobotomized by the modern gladiatorial games while at the same time being divided by religion, class division, fear of the Other, wage slavery, and overwhelming indebtedness.

The politicians merely fight over who will divide the spoils not what is best for the people.

Strip searches are an excellent means of behavioral control. Big Brother says, "Obey or strip. You are free to choose." And isn't that what freedom is all about?
 
 
+4 # xflowers 2012-04-07 18:37
It was a repulsive decision. How do we turn the clock back? A whole lot of officials in Washington and most particularly in NYC are absolutely terrified of another successful terrorist attack and want every policing option available to them no matter how cruel, repulsive or nonsensical. They fear not only an attack, but an attack on them if another should happen. How do we reverse this slide into a police state? I wish I knew. I remember Bush saying of the terrorists, "The hate our freedoms." If that was the truth, I guess they got what they wanted.
 
 
+6 # Max Demian 2012-04-07 20:18
It's great to see that Naomi Wolf is still speaking out and telling it like it is. She said a few years ago that if it got as bad as it now is in the U.S., she would shut-up and stop standing up for the truth because of fear of government reprisal for doing so. Well, I'm glad to see that she evidently came to realize that such a non-stance would be cowardly and tantamount to being complicit in the slide into fascism in the U.S.; and that, even if she has to suffer the retribution of the government for speaking the truth, standing up against that slide into fascism, and standing up for the true constitutional republicanism, human and civil rights, liberty and freedom, and the opposite of fascism that this country is only supposed to stand for, she at least will be comfortable in the assurance that she did the right thing, and that to have not done so would have been entirely the wrong thing to have done and left her feeling that she betrayed her fellow-American s and humanity as a whole.

Thank you, Naomi. Please keep up the great work.
 
 
+1 # corals33 2012-04-07 21:01
When will the masses of asses who accept the drivel put out by all the other braying donkeys wake up to the fact that America has no threats. There is no country on this planet can terrorise America or Britain, France, Germany, Russia and little so-called Israel.America is giving the big bad North Koreans rice never mind a damned good back-hander so what are we left with.Russia and the cold war joke is over. Real terrorism will start if they had to do away with the arms industries, the spies and spying instillations etc. and put so many people out of work to join the rest of the useless eaters.
it is the price we have to pay for the high standard of living we enjoy. It cannot work any other way and I defy anyone on this planet to deny me.Accept that we are all being shafted by our modern creation of consumerism which requires bullying and control of the next generation of "customers"and which will eventually culminate in having a "cull" somewhere down the road and global slavery.Hold on to your boxer shorts.
 
 
+3 # AAFemale 2012-04-07 21:19
What are the names of the five (5) Justices in favor of this decision. Specific names are never mentions. If the names are listed they have to own it. When these articles are written people shouldn't have to research to get this information.
 
 
+3 # Richard Raznikov 2012-04-08 08:42
Thomas, Scalia, Alito, Roberts, and Kennedy. I agree that the names should be listed. I also think that if they're not you can get off your own ass and find out. Democracy is not a spectator sport.
 
 
0 # feloneouscat 2012-04-09 13:48
An acronym of KARTS? SKRAT? KRAST?

Or how about STARK? As in stark naked?
 
 
+2 # corals33 2012-04-08 03:06
there is no turning back the end timers are firmly in charge and the progrom has to run its course. Live with it until your time comes.
 
 
+1 # jazzman633 2012-04-08 12:41
I have voted libertarian for 30 years. A government big enough to do anything FOR you can do anything TO you. Government grows spontaneously unless it is checked. It has been growing unchecked for a century, and 9/11 just gave it one more HUGE excuse.
 
 
+8 # Stephanie Remington 2012-04-08 16:05
I disagree that size of the government is the exclusive problem. The quality of government is more important.

The abuses and size of government have both grown unchecked, but if growth had been, for example, in infrastructure improvements for green technology (jobs, energy independence, cleaner environment...) , medicare for all, and white collar cops that kept the banker frauds from destroying the economy (or at least gave them consequences for their criminal destruction) instead of going toward war, bailouts, spying on Americans (on a massive scale), corporate welfare... then the size would be to the benefit, rather than the detriment of society.

I completely agree, though, that the problem is that government has been left unchecked and now it’s grown out of control to the point that it is of the government, by the government, for the government (with ‘corporations’ being synonymous with ‘government’).
 
 
+5 # whole2th 2012-04-08 15:48
Laws and Presidential directives leading to these takings of liberty have been justified, largely, on the basis of the official narrative of 9/11 which is proven to be a big lie. ReDiscover911.c om
 
 
+2 # Activista 2012-04-08 21:09
Each year in each USA city hundreds of ordinances are issued - 90% useless, limiting personal freedom. Sleeping under the bridge is now $1000 fine in my little town - who is writing these idiotic laws. Dog is off-leash at heal and my neighbor Americans are calling 911 because the LAW is "on leash at all times".
It is AMERICA, AMERICA - land of paranoid greedy yuppies - police state.
 
 
+1 # Max Demian 2012-04-09 16:43
Paranoid, greedy yuppies who want to be controlled at every turn, and who want everyone else to be controlled at every turn. Why? Because they have been indoctrinated and conditioned for decades now to no longer really understand liberty and freedom, and to know and understand the supreme law of the land known as the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence and why it is so extremely important to understand them and to stand up and defend them, to be vigilant against their violation, and to preserve their liberties and freedoms at all cost. Thus, by design, they have not been vigilant, and they have allowed their liberties and freedoms to be whittled away until they're really only ink on paper now, and the government has become so monolithic, mightily militaristic domestically, and extremely dangerous against its own citizenry that it threatens the safety of all of us. They are teaching local police to treat citizens like slaves who better be completely compliant, and not even "talk back" or question anything; or, if they do, to taser them, even to death; especially citizens who mention "rights" and try to stand up for them. Those citizens who "talk about the Constitution 'too much'" are now considered "terrorists". If all of this, and much more, doesn't make it abundantly clear that we're under extreme threat from "our own" government, and that this is very much like Soviet Russia or China, I don't know what does and/or is.
 
 
+5 # Pikewich 2012-04-09 09:14
Let us be very clear on what this means.

This is exactly what the German Nazi's did to the Jews before putting them in concentration camps and gassing them.

This IS exactly where this country is heading.
 
 
+2 # Olenska 2012-04-09 19:11
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