Pierce writes: "I know theologians, Rick. I went to school with theologians, Rick. And you, Rick, are not a theologian, nor any great judge of who is and is not acting out of a 'theology.'"
Rick Santorum as preacher, illustration by DonkeyHotey. (art: DonkeyHotey/flickr)
Theology for Dummies
21 February 12
n case you all missed it in your preparations for today's celebration of Fillmore/Pierce/Buchanan Day today, Rick Santorum spent the weekend roaming the landscape and talking very much like a nut on a great many topics, and have I mentioned recently what a dick this guy is? I am not kidding. The Republican party is about a half-step away from handing its presidential nomination to an out-and-out religious fanatic whose views, as expressed to allegedly evolved primates on the campaign trail, are not dissimilar to those that some people listen to on their short-wave sets in survivalist camps in upper Michigan, or those that other people hear transmitted to them from St. Michael The Archangel through the fillings in their teeth. There were a number of reasons why the people of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania decided six years ago that they no longer wanted to be represented in the U.S. Senate by fetus-fondling Torquemada. Over the past few days, we have seen only a few of them.
Santorum now has attached himself to the most extreme rightist positions on both women's health care and on the various issues of environmental protection. He has aligned himself with the most extreme elements of his party on both those issues. It doesn't matter a damn any more that he has more "blue-collar credibility" than Mitt Romney - so does Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands - and it doesn't matter a damn that he actually makes the right mumble-noises about his plan to revive American manufacturing, which, anyway, if you look at it closely, is more a plan to revive the personal profits of the people who employ American manufacturing workers. He has decided, on issues that by his own admission are at the core of who he is, to make common cause with the most singularly exotic fauna of the political fringe. Let us face facts. If your opinion on the coverage of pre-natal screening within the Affordable Care Act is based on the notion that the president wants pre-natal screening to be used fundamentally as a Trojan Horse for culling disabled children from society, you've strayed pretty far from the pack. And if you start trafficking in the idea that, say, cap-and-trade is an expression of a "theology," phony or otherwise, you've gone zooming into that zany dimension where every word simply means what you want it to mean.
(Also, in opposing the coverage of all pre-natal screening for whatever reason, Santorum is also adopting a position that will save large insurance companies a lot of money. I do not believe this is accidental, either.)
As it happens, for non-bloggy reasons I need not go into here, I've spent the last week or so reading actual theology from actual theologians, going all the way back to Origen and Tertullian on Christian pacifism, and also hanging around with Erasmius, Luther, and Calvin, while they chew over predestination and free will. (Love that old Dion song. "I think I saw him walking over the hill/ With Desiderius, Martin and John.") I know theologians, Rick. I went to school with theologians, Rick. And you, Rick, are not a theologian, nor any great judge of who is and is not acting out of a "theology." And neither, I would point out, is the president of the United States. A difference in opinion on how we best save our battered planet is not a theological dispute. The answers to it are not to be found in Scripture, or in the writings of the Church Fathers, unless you count Glenn Beck, which I don't, and I think I probably could have gotten Clement of Alexandria to agree with me on that one, too. The answers are to be found in how we argue with each other through our politics. That's messy, and nasty, and uncivil, and so can theology be, but what is being argued about is neither sacred nor ineffable. The only reason to frame it that way is to demonstrate what a good theocrat you can be, and to give people a god-haunted reason for not recycling, or for bitching some more about lightbulbs.
This is not something a candidate should do lightly, or because it gives a candidate a leg up on another candidate who might be, you know, the member of a religion that some of your primary target voters think is a cult. Political campaigns are not theological. It is dangerous to make them so. You get people turning fundamentally political arguments into theological disputes, and you're not far from the darker impulses that lead to the bastinado and a very dire St. Bartholomew's Day. That Rick Santorum is willing to do this, like a child giggling with a blowtorch, is reason enough to disqualify him ever from a position of secular power. The rhetoric he has adopted comes from a history charred by fire, and sodden with blood.
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Let's ignore the puppet whores, and get back on track of recognizing the coup d'etat that taken place, and build up our courage and determination to fight Wisconsin style to do all it takes to...
UNDO THE COUP!
"fight Wisconsin style..."
A smile and a nod of thanks from a cheesehead!
My point is that almost all the Bible thumpers out there have never taken the trouble to read all of "God's Word" in its entirety and have been shown in a recent survey to be more ignorant of its content than most self-professed atheists and agnostics. Google "bible quiz" and test yourself on one of the many available. I just checked one out on the Book of Jonah and got 3 out of 4 right. Did you know that Jonah was despondent over having to go preach God's word because he feared that he would be successful and that the Ninehvites would repent and be spared?
It contains an infamous prohibition of "sodomites" (KJV) among the sons (but not the daughters) of Israel, and a prohibition of prostitutes among the daughters (but not the sons) of Israel.
But it also contains the command not to return an escaped servant of a master (contra Dred Scott --- my, how we pick and choose don't we?).
And of course, how to keep a clean camp, as you've pointed out!
I'm curious to know what part of Separation of Church and State you don't understand? I have NO problem with ANYONE declaring his "faith" BUT when they try to cast aspersions on OTHERS by making WILD accusations and OUTRIGHT lies, I begin to question, not only that person's "faith", but, their motives as well! Santorum is a Fanatic, as bad as ANY Taliban Imam, demonizing OTHER people's faith and trying to make the Public Think that our President is lying when he declares HIS Christan Faith! If you ask me, Santorum is NO Christian, since he seems to have NO problem bearing false witness against others! He is certainly entitled to his opinions, however false, but he has NO right to espouse them as Gospel Truth!
darker impulses that "disqualify him ever from a position of secualar power".
I find it more than pathetic and painfully demeaning to women.
I liked the original version of Vagina Monologues much better.
luvdoc
What is sadder though is the number of moron voters who actually agree with the guy, as the primary polls indicate.
I'm offended, too, but he reason that they are going to God for help is that (for the present) they have lost/given-away the "Jobs" and "Economy" issues.
I'm waitin' for them to begin handling serpents. There's nothin' better'n a snake-bit republican to to liven-up an election.
If somebody is a true Christian, he/she doesn't need to advertise. You'll know it by his/her actions.
Are you listening, Mr. Santorum?
in my bible...a king james version (oh, i know, i know...that's anathema to a true religionist like st. sanctum santorum of the froth)...there are some verses that sum up his fecal liquidness to a fair-thee-well.
i am speaking of matthew 7: 21-23. look it up.
suffice it to say i love it when they hoist themselves on their own petards.
as far as this fool ever becoming president...the pachy poobahs will never allow it. it would mean the end of the republican't party as they know it.
they're gonna lose anyway, but at least they'll want to put up a fight. with to-the-right-of -torquemada rick...well, there aren't enough old, white, male, racist, retards on this planet to elect him (even so, the planet HE comes from).
last night, god told me to look for a brokered, goper convention. amen.
What we have been seeing is political pressure from a right wing, fundamentalist, bigoted group whose real mission is to return the presidency to a white man.
Let's get "theology" out of our politics and start talking about the real needs of Americans.
America was POPULATED by outsiders - wanderers, nut jobs, criminals, sects and some common folk escaping from a society in which they couldn't 'make it'. The USA was GRANTED to aristocrats by "insider" aristocrats. Beneficiaries (our landed gentry) didn't exactly fit the mold of the monarchy's Court of the Moment. For some it may have been opportunity to 'prove' dissident beliefs in governmental participation - like voting and non-lineage ownership. For others it was 'purity' in the exercise of of 'faith'.
The point? Those who would use an assemblage of parables, legends, personal reflections, practical (w)holistic remedies, and political justifications for crowd control as the Word of God(!) to justify their personal perceptions or motivations about government MAY NOT have all their wheels on the ground.
The debates that led to our experiment in self governance were NOT a "Christian" transfer of some 'Ten Amendments' from God to the Constitutional Convention. They were hard fought compromises designed to make MOST citizens REASONABLY secure that past miseries might be avoided ... or at least be repairable - open ended system designed for growth and improvement as we gain wisdom.
Ideologues, the preachers of 'differences' and 'division', cannot lead us to wisdom OR enlightenment.
Imagine Rick-Newt winning the nomination, then in the last 2 months of the campaign telling the whole country, "Hey, I didn't really mean any of that vile shit I was dumping every day in the primaries. You know how it is...you gotta do what you gotta do. Jeez, I didn't want to end up like Huntsman, did I? I had to pander to all those 7-Mountain folks, the 'time travelers' who've never seen a cell phone, who think 'Godfather's' is real pizza, the bible-thumpers and fanatics that populate the grassroots GOP like ants at a picnic, and also, lest we not forgetteth, to Billy Graham's 'seed'."
The sweet irony in Newt's case: it's all financed by Mega-Rich Vegas Jewish Guy--sheez, they couldn't find one billionaire fundamentalist Catholic that loves Newt?--and in Rick's, you've got retro-doofis Foster Freiss, who thought it was "funny" to tell young American women to put aspirin between their knees. I was waiting for him to recommend FGM for tweeners. Break out the pepto bismol.
bismol tonight at the Republican debate when the journalists question him about his claim that "Satan" is lurking in our government!
p.s. God - can you send a lightning bolt to fry this sucker! Please - pretty please.
Crude language is inexcusable, except of course, for egregious cases, which you have well addressed.
This bible-thumping bigot and Grand Inquisitor wannabe has no place in our nation's politics, or in any intelligent discussion of religion's role in society and culture.
If one sees Santorum as a player in a theater of the absurd, however, then his insane utterances can be appreciated as farce.
I kinda hope he gets the nod so that America will see just how crazy the religious right is. The very delusional crackpottery that for some 'reason' appeals to fringe voters will become magnified for all sane people to witness. Obama will win in another landslide. Either that or America is doomed and We become a christer theocracy based on the select passages from the Old Testement. Those would be the choices if Santorum gets the nomination.
He won't. Anyone notice the name "Jeb Bush" sneaking in every now and then lately? I have. Santorum is a red herring. J. Bush has been the candidate all along and will get nominated at the GOP convention and we're off to the races. The "faithful" will all vote for him in relief and Obama may well be a lost cause and we will be faced with a Bush once more but all the more dangerous because he has a few more brain cells than his other brothers. Watch this trend and be ready for the REAL battle.
For decades they have contended that global warming alarmists are motivated by a theology, that alarmists hold unsubstantiated beliefs in the face of facts that do not fit their worldview.
Santorum's remarks cannot be taken to be a criticism of Obama's Christianity since they had nothing to do with obama's religious beliefs. Santorum was, in fact, using the word "theology" as progressives generally use it -- to describe beliefs unsubstantiated by scientific facts.
And for those of you who are outraged by Santorum's mixing of religiosity with government (and I do agree with you), where were you when Obama did the same thing at the recent prayer breakfast? He essentially said that the Bible told him to raise taxes on the rich -- a clear perversion of Christian teachings in my view. Religion should never be manipulated to support political views. Your objections to Santorum are hypocritical to say the least.
Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
Models now widely accepted in the scientific community accurately predict what is happening now. When the affects of human activity are taken out of the input, the climate change predicted by the model is significantly reduced.
Willfully ignoring these facts is a reaction against the scientific method same as evolution denial is. *That* is theology.
Theology and ideology get people killed. Science is far from perfect, but I prefer its track record to any religion or ideology.
Your Dartmouth connection to the internet would suggest the association with, if not the capacity for, "thoughtful" contribution to this and other discussions. So far I am inclined to think you may clean up after, rather than contribute to, higher education and learning.
Before we can REALLY argue rationally, whether it is about politics, religion, sex, etc., we first must take a risk to BE RATIONAL. Most of us just PRACTICE at being RATIONAL. Most of us PRE EXIST as IRRATIONAL drama and ego.
IMHO, you only BECOME rational when and if "YOU" truly LOVE "YOU" with all your flaws and when you love your dark and light sides. THEN and only then can you try to find others that feel likewise. Then "YOU" will find acceptance because YOU, the RATIONAL YOU, will find others who are rational instead of toxic others that LIVE for ego and drama.
Huh?
TRANSLATION: IMHO almost all arguments are just ego and drama, i.e., soap opera. Most of us are fearful of owning our complete personalities, our dark as well as our light sides. I have only just begun to be aware of the power that is in me, and I believe we all have power that we fear and/or are unaware of the power we have, so instead the POWER HAS US! I DARE now to speak to and with my POWERFUL self, and I speak regardless of what is "politically correct"! I would rather HAVE my power of communication, even if it JUST to MYSELF that I am communicating! The confidence of power and the power of confidence is worth more to me than external approval, (except, of course, if and when it involves issues of life or death, absolute physical survival, etc.)
On the other hand, Religion has its most productive effect when shaping the morals and spiritual values of God's creatures, which is all of us. And their work is cut out for them considering the thoroughly rotten morals of this modern day.
Sadly, religious leaders prefer exercising control over carrying out the will of God, and they do more harm than the people they are trying to "save".
Then again, immorality, greed, corruption, and sexual excesses are the soup du jour of modern Western Civilization. And it's no better in the East, where murder, mayhem and abuse of women are mainstream activities.
Baha'u'llah is the Founder of the Baha'i Faith in 1844. He reserved His harshest condemnations for the religious leaders who usurp their position:
"Were the eye to be anointed and illumined with the collyrium of the knowledge of God, it would surely discover that a number of voracious beasts have gathered and preyed upon the carrion of the souls of men."
This society is devoid of moral values, cares nothing for spirituality, and is lost in the crush of selfish materialist pursuits. It will collapse under the weight of its own iniquities, and you will have no one to blame but yourselves.
But there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
The Writings also say, "Say!" which is short for "Thus sayeth the Lord".
And thanks for asking!
--Baha'u'llah
The Kitab-i-Iqan, p. 204
I've been listening carefully to him, and he has perfected the art of seeming sane, reasonable, and even likable-- a nice "standup" guy-- while all the while spouting words that should qualify him for institutionalization.
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