Jonathan Turley begins: "There was a brief moment when civil libertarians were stunned to see President Barack Obama actually take a stand in favor of civil liberties after years to rolling back on basic rights of citizens and moving beyond the Bush Administration in building up the security state."
President Obama at a meeting in the White House, 07/15/10. (photo: Pete Souza/Getty Images)
Obama Broke His Promise
15 December 11
The so-called Homeland Battlefield provisions in the newly passed $662-billion defense authorization bill are generating a surprisingly wide range of legal interpretations. Constitutional law expert Jonathan Turley weighs in on what it all means. In addition Turley's earlier piece, "Senate Votes Overwhelmingly To Allow Indefinite Detention of Citizens" adds a great deal of additional analysis. -- MA/RSN 
here was a brief moment when civil libertarians were stunned to see President Barack Obama actually take a stand in favor of civil liberties after years to rolling back on basic rights of citizens and moving beyond the Bush Administration in building up the security state. Obama said that he would veto the defense bill that contained a horrific provision for the indefinite detention of American citizens. While many predicted it, Obama has now again betrayed the civil liberties community and lifted the threat of the veto. Americans will now be subject to indefinite detention without trial in federal courts in a measure supported by both Democrats and Republicans. It is a curious way to celebrate the 220th anniversary of the Bill of Rights.
This leaves Ron Paul as the only candidate in the presidential campaign fighting the bill and generally advocating civil liberties as a rallying point for his campaign. Paul offered another strong argument against the Patriot Act and other expansions of police powers in his last debate. He also noted that the Patriot Act provisions were long advocated before 9-11, which was used as an opportunity to expand police powers. As discussed in a prior column, Obama has destroyed the civil liberties movement in the United States and has convinced many liberals to fight for an Administration that blocked torture prosecutions, expanded warrantless surveillance, continued military tribunals, killed Americans on the sole authority of the President, and other core violations of civil liberties.
The White House is saying that changes to the law made it unnecessary to veto the legislation. That spin is facially ridiculous. The changes were the inclusion of some meaningless rhetoric after key amendments protecting citizens were defeated. The provision merely states that nothing in the provisions could be construed to alter Americans’ legal rights. Since the Senate clearly views citizens are not just subject to indefinite detention but even execution without a trial, the change offers nothing but rhetoric to hide the harsh reality. The Administration and Democratic members are in full spin — using language designed to obscure the authority given to the military. The exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032) is the screening language for the next section, 1031, which offers no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial.
At least Senator Lindsey Graham was honest when he said on the Senate floor that “1031, the statement of authority to detain, does apply to American citizens and it designates the world as the battlefield, including the homeland.”
I am not sure which is worse: the loss of core civil liberties or the almost mocking post hoc rationalization for abandoning principle. The Congress and the President have now completed a law that would have horrified the Framers. Indefinite detention of citizens is something that the Framers were intimately familiar with and expressly sought to bar in the Bill of Rights. While the Framers would have likely expected citizens in the streets defending their freedoms, this measure was greeted with a shrug and a yawn by most citizens and reporters. Instead, we are captivated by whether a $10,000 bet by Romney was real or pretend in the last debate.
Even more distressing is the statement from sponsor Senator Levin, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee that “The language which precluded the application of Section 1031 to American citizens was in the bill that we originally approved … and the administration asked us to remove the language which says that U.S. citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section.”
Source: Guardian
Section 1031:
Subtitle D–Detainee Matters
SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.
(a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
(c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
(d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
(f) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be ‘covered persons’ for purposes of subsection (b)(2).
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If this Bill passes, then organizations like the ACLU can sue the government by taking this through the federal court system. But, what's the point. The United States Supreme Court has been completely corrupted with a minimum of five of the nine judges, the Republican appointed ones, who will probably vote to support it, and I'm not too certain as to whether or not some of the Democratic-appointed judges will support it as well.
What we need and what we will never ever get is the ability to do with our Congressional reps in Washington and every member of the federal (and state level) judiciary, including the U.S. Supreme Court, what we can do with our state and local level representatives , impeach them. That will never happen.
What we also need and what we will never ever get is the ability for U.S. citizens at the national level to establish propositions where the people, as a nation, can either vote their own laws into being or can negate bad ones that were established either by our Congressional representatives in Washington or by the federal court system Instead of the U.S. Supreme Court being the last and ultimate arbiter of record, the American people should have the very last word. The American people should have the right to immediately override any heinous decision made by the U.S. Supreme Court without having to go through a long and arduous amendment process to add amendments to our Bill of Rights.
But, I'm dreaming, am I not?
There are a lot of people in Congress in the pockets of big business and the super rich. They helped elder Bush put Clarence Thomas into the Supreme Court, confirmed younger Bush's appointees, and handed over so much of the nation's wealth and power to the oil, finance, and defense industries.
Although regular people aren't _bought_ by big business and the super rich, a lot of them are voluntary servants, eating up the misinformation Fox News serves them.
Taking democracy a step away from the people hands it over to people who include a lot of corporate stooges, but I wouldn't count on regular people to do better because so many don't know any better.
If there's a silver lining, it is that the People should now understand that when these positions open the door for so much money for these culls they'll say anything to get into office. "I HOPE you don't take away my Constitutionall y GUARANTEED RIGHTS." They must be SO MUCH MORE vetted during the campaign trail: ask them directly, what is our recourse if we find our you're lying once you are seated? Show me the paperwork. How can this country stand if the leadership all lie in order to get into office. Is this the standard that we accept, that the world accepts? Americans cannot be trusted.
http://votesmart.org/bill/14187/37420/prohibits-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial
SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! Shame on them.
You Tea Pot Folk are hardly a resource or foundation for doing something about getting America to move forward.
I hear no one blaming the CONGrESS who wrote this piece of insanity. Why don't you call your CONGRESS Person and jump on them?
Quoting
How can you say it is not supported by the facts? Are you claiming the Fourth Amendment right to due process is intact? If not, it's a violation of the oath to support this law. As for signing it into law... I wonder when the last time was that Obama actually kept a promise. To the people who went out and campaigned for him, I mean, not his Wall Street bosses.
Our country is balanced on a razor-thin edge of toppling into the pathway of becoming a dictatorship, or onto a pathway of recovery for democracy. If RepubTeacans win the 2012 elections we will have a dictatorship. If not, all we will have is a “chance” to repair and recover our democracy. Right now is that defining moment in time.
However, even if the Supreme Court ultimately saves the day, the process will be slow. First, these unjust parts of the new law will have to take effect; most laws don't take effect immediately. Second, the government will have to abuse the power and actually detain someone under these laws who couldn't have been detained under past laws. Third, the detention will have to be discovered; the dirtiest acts of government are frequently kept hidden until a whistle-blower reveals them. Fourth, someone (likely the ACLU) will have to take legal action to challenge the detention victim's status. Fifth, the legal challenge will have to work its way through the courts. Finally, the Supreme Court will determine whether the Constitution still protects us, or whether it's time for the US to become an arbitrary police state.
During all that time, it's possible that someone on the Supreme Court will die or retire. When the next position in the court opens, the replacement will be chosen by the President, and confirmed by the Senate. Who fills the next open seat will mostly depend on two questions:
If you vote for Obama, then you are showing support for all the horrors he has perpetrated thus far and, therefore, you are an enabler and part of the problem.
Have you no respect for yourself?
Vote for Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson or don't vote at all.
As a lifelong Democrat I feel like throwing up. Will not, cannot, vote for any politician who supported, voted for, or signed this bill into law. I'm thinking Jesse Ventura or even the hate-all-government Libertarians. I'll vote for whatever candidate voted for the Constitution or wasn't in office. Any third party that can pull a hefty protest vote. That or voting with my feet like most Americans already have done. I feel sick.
That didn't stop them in 2000, or when they handed over the government to corporations earlier this year.
- Will the Senate consist of a filibuster-proof majority of Democrats, a filibuster-vulnerable majority of Democrats, a toss-up, a filibuster-vulnerable majority of Republicans, or a filibuster-proof majority of Republicans?
Obama has clearly gone wrong for us this time. But Obama-gone-wrong is definitely a lot better than the best we could expect from any Republican currently running for President. (Ron Paul is a voice of reason on _this_ issue, but he's terrible news on all sorts of other issues.) Without a preference voting system (such as instan runoff voting), a more reliably liberal challenger candidate would split the liberal vote, which would mean a Republican would win for sure.
Like it not, we're stuck with Obama -- or worse. The best we can hope is that Obama will return to being the person he was in 2008, and that we'll end up with a filibuster-proof majority of Democrats in the Senate. Even that's a stretch, but that's what we need before we can count on the Supreme Court to save us from this terrible new law.
Obviously, Newt or Romney are total yahoos, so just write in your name or vote for Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson.
You're not STUCK unless you make the choice to be stuck.
P.S. Obama is the same person he was in 2008. He fooled you is all. He's getting everything he wants with all he's doing.
How does one who is confined without access even start a case that can arrive at the Supreme Court?
Any insights? I think I saw a list of who voted for the bill, but can't remember where.
I've been looking for such a list but haven't found one yet. I WANT to know how my congress member and senators voted on this. If there's no democrats I can vote for without throwing up on the Diebold election-stealing machine, I'll... geez, Libertarian I guess. Or look up Jill or that other one someone recommends.
However, what _is_ hard to explain is why any sane politician voted for the arbitrary detention or "Homeland Battlefield" amendments.
The NDAA as a whole is a routine spending bill. It's the Homeland Battlefield amendments that are the unconstitutiona l disasters of legislation.
Draft Hillary and don't take No for an answer. The White House maintains Obama is being compared against some ideal standard. No, just against a standard he set in 2008 and has back-pedaled from ever since. He made no reasonable attempt to meet his own standard. At least with Republicans, we know they intend to take us back to the Stone Age. Should we not expect a little more from Obama?
Find her speech online that she gave in Holland (I think it was Holland) about preserving freedom on the Internet for protestors who should not have their freedom of speech taken from them, etc.
Take a tranquilizer first if you have a bad temper cuz this chunk of total hypocrisy will blow you out of the water.
And ObamaTRAITOR hasn't "backpeddaled" from his "standard". Almost all of his campaign promises were nothing but lies which he, and those who pull his strings, never had any intention of keeping. No, we cannot expect more from ObamaTRAITOR. He is part and parcel of the neolib neocons, and he is fulfilling their will to a 'T'. All that's going on is part of the steps that the globalists have had planned for a very long time in order to systematically bring about one-world eradication of human and civil rights, and to bring about one-world enslavement of everyone.
-- to be continued --
Hillary is more of a hawk than Obama - and has to prove that she is as tough as a man - she would be even worse as Pres.
I think the only way we have a chance to survive is by getting the worst republican in there and stirring up enough anger that they will once again be sent to their hell by the next F.D.R.
I think I now actually agree with Ben Quayle, Obama is the worst president EVER.
Progressives also voted in favor of the detention of Americans law and are signed onto SOPA which is another nail in our coffins under the pretext of Internet pirates not getting your info. In fact, they are trying to cover up what SOPA really means by running a TV commercial in the hopes of fooling people. Think China.
Since Obama already interprets that language as an authorization to assassinate American citizens he accuses of involvement with terrorism without ever providing evidence to support his accusations, and has exercised that "authority," do you honestly believe that section e will deter him from detaining – or assassinating – more Americans?
According to Lindsey Graham, if you’re accused of supporting terrorism, you don’t get a lawyer.
Ultimately, this law is toxic whether or not Americans are exempted.
Just curious - without guaranteed due process, what protections do we enjoy under the Bill of Rights? Apparently those are for corporations now at any rate. Rats. And here I am, merely a citizen.
"This language appears carefully crafted to mislead the public..."
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/explaining-to-a-5-year-old-why-the-indefinite-detention-bill-does-apply-to-u-s-citizens-on-u-s-soil.html
A MUST read and is easy to understand.
Do Not get caught napping on your rights, lest you wake up and they be gone.
Elizabeth Warren isn't going to save you or I. She's just saying what she thinks people want to hear. She is trying to get elected. Look closely at what she supports - the fake war on terror, invading Iran, Obamacare and all the rest.
It's an excellent and revealing piece:
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/15/obama_to_sign_indefinite_detention_bill_into_law/
I am no longer in that "we"....I choose to totally disassociate myself from him -- and regret my vote in 2008.
I share your feelings of regret for believing Obama's promises in 2008. However, I could never have voted for McCain/Palin. The same is true for the current Republican candidates. I agree with the comment that Ron Paul seems to be in sync on one or two issues, but is wrong on everything else.
Bad policies antithetical to the keystones of our democracy can be undone.
Even though Ron Paul is right on _this_ issue, he's wrong on pretty much everything else. In Ron Paul's universe, if you're accused of being a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer, you still have your rights.
- However, if you're pregnant, your rights end at your uterus,
- if you're sick, your rights end wherever your insurance company decides, and
- if you're sick and don't have insurance, your rights end when you run out of money to pay for treatment.
Differences between Obama and the Republican candidates are primarily related to the fact that Obama tries to SOUND sane in his public addresses and they – with the exception of Ron Paul – don't even bother.
In terms of actions, there aren’t meaningful differences on virtually any issue that matters to me.
The obsessive fear so many people have of voting for a good candidate from a third party is based on the idea that it will take votes away from the lesser of two evils from the major parties – supposedly the only ones with a chance of winning. There is no longer a lesser evil, and third parties have been the agents of needed change in the past (the Republican Party was a third party that opposed slavery).
A wasted vote is one cast for a candidate you know for a fact will act in a way that harms your interests.
Whoever wins is up to us. If we just throw up our hands and say, “Oh well, there’s nothing we can do about it,” then we deserve what we get.
Take a look at Rocky Anderson. He's the former mayor of Salt Lake City, running for president under the newly formed Justice Party.
"That's all we've got." MAN! that's a good one. It's like: Hey, we're lost in the wilderness and we have nothing but this shootin' iron (light bulb goes on) Hey, let's shoot ourselves in the head. Problem solved.
But TODAY, the PRESENT! When not the "Island nation of Japan" had attacked the United States of America, but when the President of The United States of America attacked his OWN DAMN COUNTRY!
Folks, its all over! The United States of America now ceases "officially" to exist! It has now, as of today, with one signature, been disillusioned and a new country the Fascist Corporate Police State of America has been born! Today is the birth of the newest country on planet Earth, the FCPSA! Located between Canada and México is presently located and where the apparently now former United States of America once was located! This is a very sad day indeed!
I am from Switzerland myself. It was WE who had offered as a gift the "Kantonal Landesrechte" which is now better known here as the Bill of Rights to America! Now that has been trahsed! Next as we had modelled our "Schweizerische Verfassung" (Swiss Constitution) after yours, it now appears that this said document has also been destroyed as well! A VERY sad day for humanity indeed!
That said, I don't think we should be constrained by D vs R "rules" or even by who is currently running.
Rocky Anderson, of the newly formed Justice Party, has a long track record of acting in the interests of the 99%. I also think it would be a good idea to convince people we like to run for the presidency -- like Elizabeth Warren.
I like the way you think. I'll look at Anderson and at Jill Stein. If progressives could only settle on one or the other, we could send the strongest possible message to a country that somehow, some mysterious way, seems still to have its blinders on.
Jill Stein is running on the Green ticket and Rocky Anderson under his newly formed Justice Party.
Jill is someone you can take seriously. Go to her site and get acquainted. See what she's been doing around the country lately.
Think about it. The next U.S. president would probably have to appoint one, maybe two, Supreme Court justices. If a corporate-friendly GOP candidate were elected, then it's "game over."
My advice to the weak-hearted is to "suck it up" and vote for progressive members of Congress. They're the only hope we have to prevent us from slipping into a police state.
There are a handful of good Politicans suck it up...that has been too long happening. OWS get Candidates
It has become clear that this has been Obama's
goal. But what can we as citizens do? I would prefer Biden. At least, we know him.
Who brought Obama in as a candidate for the presidency? We voted on the basis of his rhetoric for someone we did not know.
It's declares their stance to stand up for we the people against repression b/c that is the oath that soldiers take. I may not be saying this correctly but you get the picture. Find it and read it.
There is also a petition (probably) on Jill Stein's site that you will not accept repression nor will you support anyone who does. Find it and sign it.
"We" are all 'fair game' for the government to pick off at its whim and pleasure.
There is no integrity there.
He is bought and paid for by the 1%
Where is the candidate who will stand up for the civil rights of the people?
Is once great America going into the trash bin of history?
b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
Of course, this is a slippery slope and we should all be vigilant. I don't believe yet, that Obama is the bad guy you all are trying to make him out to be. We don't have very many good alternatives -- especially not Hillary OR Ron Paul. I love Elizabeth Warren, but I don't thing she's "ready" to be president yet.
There can be absolutely no exceptions to the rule. Everyone, including non-American citizens, must be given the chance of defending themselves in a court of law by their own peers, & it cannot be a Kangaroo court. Unfortunately, the whole of our judicial system has been corrupted with judges who are more political than fair. For example, Bradley Manning will never ever get a fair trail. His sentence has already been determined. The Obama admin is just going thru the motions in an attempt to placate the American people.
We no longer have an independent judiciary that is completely separate, equal, and independent from the dictators that are now running our country, not just at the national level, but at the state & local levels as well. If Obama actually signs this Bill as is, he & the Democratic Party will be committing political suicide.
Our courts may be overloaded and hamstrung as you put it, but it doesn't justify many of the bad decisions that have been made over the years politically supporting the government side over that of the citizen.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/explaining-to-a-5-year-old-why-the-indefinite-detention-bill-does-apply-to-u-s-citizens-on-u-s-soil.html
How this law can be explained to a five-year-old. It is filled with misleading language.
Never vote democrat or republican. Vote third party or don't vote.
Obama and all who support this bill should be voted out. Enough is enough. What change have we seen with Obama???
Even before Bush vacated the White House, when Obama was still candidate Obama, I told people that if Obama won, that he had to reverse Bush's course immediately, & I meant a complete 180 deg turn to move us away from the precipice that we were about to fall into, that any other direction would be fatal.
After Obama did win & started immediately to make very bad decisions like picking all the wrong people for his cabinet, I knew that we were finished even then, & when I expressed that on RSN like many other people did, we were all condemned by the majority of the RSN community. We were given very negative numbers & told that we needed to give Obama more time, that he just became pres, & this false positive attitude by the Obama devout continued into Obama's 2nd year as pres & some even into the early part of this year, that we have to give Obama more time, that he inherited a very bad situation. Even the numerous & uncountable number of times that Obama & the Congressional Democrats caved in to Repub demands without getting much of anything back wasn't enough to wake these devout Obama supporters up.
Well, now the trap has been shut. God help us all.
Really nice upbringing, fine families and Churches eh?
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/275-42/8828-coming-soon-the-indefinite-detention-of-american-citizens
The Corporate Supremes already did that when they applied the Bill of Rights to corporations, authorizing what amounts to the secret purchase of elections.
"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism as it is a merge of state and corporate power."
- Benito Mussolini, cribbing from right-wing Italian theorist Giovanni Gentile
And for heaven's sake, they can't put the entire country in detention. 99% is a whole lot of people in the slammer. As a nation we have a tendency to be kinda scrappy and the stealing of civil liberties will make for some very strange bedfellows. People who would otherwise be ad loggerheads will now have one thing on which they agree, "They have been raped of their civiil liberties, Constitutional Rights and the guarantees of the Bill of Rights. This could bring a far larger and more cohesive 99% than the Beltways Boys can know.
I think We just got our America back because we know have nothing more to lose by standing up and fighting.
http://donsiegelman.org/Pages/topics/Players/Judges/judges_Fuller.html
What happened to Obama the candidate?? I guess he left the building a long time ago and now we have an imposter who looks and sounds like him. Is this what selling out looks like?!
I am not sure if it is too late or not. I will keep trying until the end. I am stubborn. I hope there are enough others who are stubborn. We need to expose the government elements behind 911. We need to boycott mainstream media that does not report the truth.
The idea of the media, the so-called Fourth Estate, was to be a powerful watchdog against those in government who would abuse their power. This is crucial to a well-functioning democracy. We have been without more than a token Fourth Estate for many decades now. That must change, or I think the fate of this country is truly hopeless.
I've long believed that allowing the Kennedy assassination to be swept under the rug was the beginning of our long slide into hell and tyranny. Boycotting mainstream media who do not do their watchdog jobs is a great idea. I've been doing that for quite some time. And as Americans invested in getting back our country, milions of us who are able, need to join OWS and organize simultaneous marches across the country to address the madness and abuses.
I am not afraid of Muslims or "Al Qaeda", but I am afraid of national leaders who betray the trust of their constituents and their oaths of office to support and defend the Constitution by promulgating laws that violate the essence of the American political experiment by falling back on the tools of tyranny.
"(e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States."
For those who say this will never happen, I bring you Citizen's United. Where corporations have become people that can murder & pollute without fear of internment. Soon all those not working for Military contractors will be expendable. If you're not scared now you'd better get that way soon. America is a country that already has more citizens in jail than any other country on earth. Even communist China, who places citizens in jail to obtain workers for their factories, doesn't have close the % the US has. All the 99ers can now be taken off the streets immediately & placed in permanent work camps. Although against present laws, Military contractors already use prison labor in many states in the U.S. Now, labor just got cheaper & stock in jails is going up. Welcome to the New Order of the Homeland.
http://votesmart.org/bill/14187/37420/prohibits-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial
Thomas Jefferson said that if future governments disregarded the Constitution of The United States it would be the duty of US citizens to remove those violators from government by any means necessary, including the use of firearms.
There are not enough military or police to arrest, control and incarcerate the tens of millions of US citizens who still believe they are bound by their oaths of enlistment and commission in the Armed Forces of the United States.
Ordering Americans to shoot other Americans will lite the fuze that will bring on the next revolution.
This nightmare is actually unfolding before our eyes. The New World Order is quite ugly to those who have, in reality, been living in a fantasy nirvana.
The lies that led us to wage wars have come home to roost. Every person who donned their countries uniform now knows the truth of the propaganda of spreading democracy and freedom based upon our Constitution is, and has been, pure BS. Those of us who have served have just received a golden shower for our duped efforts. Its all been a lie.
John McCarthy
vpocvs@gmail.com
http://votesmart.org/bill/14187/37420/prohibits-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial
Any genuine "moving on" at this point requires a repudiation of Obama as its first step.
if you had just done it without promising not to, it would have been a little less terrible
in the face of you reelection you are spitting in my face as a former supporter
What a profound disappointment he has been.
We're worse of than a third world country because we sold our souls to that big buck and have lost our way.Should a third partypop up, even they would have no one to vote for worth a vote.
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