Taibbi writes: "Here's where I think we're in very dangerous territory. We have two very different but similarly large protest movements going on right now in the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement. What if one of them is linked to a violent act? What if a bomb goes off in a police station in Oakland, or an IRS office in Texas? What if the FBI then linked those acts to Occupy or the Tea Party? You can see where this is going."
Matt Taibbi at Skylight Studio in New York, 10/27/10. (photo: Neilson Barnard/Getty Images)
Coming Soon: The Indefinite Detention of American Citizens
10 December 11
here's some disturbing rhetoric flying around in the debate over the National Defense Authorization Act, which among other things contains passages that a) officially codify the already-accepted practice of indefinite detention of "terrorist" suspects, and b) transfer the responsibility for such detentions exclusively to the military.
The fact that there's been only some muted public uproar about this provision (which, disturbingly enough, is the creature of Wall Street anti-corruption good guy Carl Levin, along with John McCain) is mildly surprising, given what's been going on with the Occupy movement. Protesters in fact should be keenly interested in the potential applications of this provision, which essentially gives the executive branch unlimited powers to indefinitely detain terror suspects without trial.
The really galling thing is that this act specifically envisions American citizens falling under the authority of the bill. One of its supporters, the dependably-unlikeable Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, bragged that the law "basically says … for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield" and that people can be jailed without trial, be they "American citizen or not." New Hampshire Republican Kelly Ayotte reiterated that "America is part of the battlefield."
Officially speaking, of course, the bill only pertains to:
"... a person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners."
As Glenn Greenwald notes, the key passages here are "substantially supported" and "associated forces." The Obama administration and various courts have already expanded their definition of terrorism to include groups with no connection to 9/11 (i.e. certain belligerents in Yemen and Somalia) and to individuals who are not members of the target terror groups, but merely provided "substantial support."
The definitions, then, are, for the authorities, conveniently fungible. They may use indefinite detention against anyone who "substantially supports" terror against the United States, and it looks an awful lot like they have leeway in defining not only what constitutes "substantial" and "support," but even what "terror" is. Is a terrorist under this law necessarily a member of al-Qaeda or the Taliban? Or is it merely someone who is "engaged in hostilities against the United States"?
Here's where I think we're in very dangerous territory. We have two very different but similarly large protest movements going on right now in the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement. What if one of them is linked to a violent act? What if a bomb goes off in a police station in Oakland, or an IRS office in Texas? What if the FBI then linked those acts to Occupy or the Tea Party?
You can see where this is going. When protesters on the left first started flipping out about George Bush's indefinite detention and rendition policies, most people thought the idea that these practices might someday be used against ordinary Americans was merely an academic concern, something theoretical.
But it's real now. If these laws are passed, we would be forced to rely upon the discretion of a demonstrably corrupt and consistently idiotic government to not use these awful powers to strike back at legitimate domestic unrest.
Right now, the Senate is openly taking aim at the rights of American citizens under the guise of an argument that anyone who supports al-Qaeda has no rights. But if you pay close attention, you'll notice the law's supporters here and there conveniently leaving out those caveats about "anyone who supports al-Qaeda." For instance, here's Lindsey Graham again:
"If you're an American citizen and you betray your country, you're not going to be given a lawyer ... I believe our military should be deeply involved in fighting these guys at home or abroad."
As Greenwald points out, this idea - that an American who commits treason can be detained without due process - is in direct defiance of Article III, Section III of the Constitution, which reads:
"No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
This effort to eat away at the rights of the accused was originally gradual, but to me it looks like that process is accelerating. It began in the Bush years with a nebulous description of terrorist sedition that may or may not have included links to Sunni extremist groups in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan.
But words like "associated" and "substantial" and "betray" have crept into the discussion, and now it feels like the definition of a terrorist is anyone who crosses some sort of steadily-advancing invisible line in their opposition to the current government.
This confusion about the definition of terrorism comes at a time when the economy is terrible, the domestic government is more unpopular than ever, and there is quite a lot of radical and even revolutionary political agitation going on right here at home. There are people out there - I've met some of them, in both the Occupy and Tea Party movements - who think that the entire American political system needs to be overthrown, or at least reconfigured, in order for progress to be made.
It sounds paranoid and nuts to think that those people might be arrested and whisked away to indefinite, lawyerless detention by the military, but remember: This isn't about what's logical, it's about what's going on in the brains of people like Lindsey Graham and John McCain.
At what point do those luminaries start equating al-Qaeda supporters with, say, radical anti-capitalists in the Occupy movement? What exactly is the difference between such groups in the minds (excuse me, in what passes for the minds) of the people who run this country?
That difference seems to be getting smaller and smaller all the time, and such niceties as American citizenship and the legal tradition of due process seem to be less and less meaningful to the people who run things in America.
What does seem real to them is this "battlefield earth" vision of the world, in which they are behind one set of lines and an increasingly enormous group of other people is on the other side.
Here's another way to ask the question: On which side of the societal fence do you think the McCains and Grahams would put, say, an unemployed American plumber who refused an eviction order from Bank of America and holed up with his family in his Florida house, refusing to move? Would Graham/McCain consider that person to have the same rights as Lloyd Blankfein, or is that plumber closer, in their eyes, to being like the young Muslim who throws a rock at a U.S. embassy in Yemen?
A few years ago, that would have sounded like a hysterical question. But it just doesn't seem that crazy anymore. We're turning into a kind of sci-fi society in which making it and being a success not only means getting rich, but also means winning the full rights of citizenship. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see this ending well.
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FYI, Matt. The documents I forwarded to the Dept. of Justice (Google: Colorado Springs Independent, Jan. 21, 2010, "No Peace or Justice") included a written copy of a speech given by an upper up with Homeland Security, here at the Northern Command Center in Colorado Springs, the super fusion center of the nations' over seventy-two fusion centers.
The F.B.I. now, (and this is documented) considers 'terrorists' as including justice and peace activists (or as they are now labeled: anarchists - of course, OWSers are so labeled), environmental activists, animal rights activists, etc..
And, as 'terrorists', the aforelisted shall be treated as terrorists, i.e. no limits on brutalization/t orture, zero rights under gone bye bye rule of law etc.
OhBombAh's DOJ refused any investigation or meaningful explanation of this stripping away of basic civil rights. Time we all wake up to the reality that democracy/liber ty and justice for all has been turned into a fascist police state, where anything goes so long as the evil, greed and power addicted villainaire rulers have their wealth continue to pour in, and keep total power over we, the now enslaved sheeple.
Lots and lots to do to.....UNDO THE COUP!
valerie plame and joe wilson were the first casualties losing their rights to this sinister overreaction and no one in authority has attempted to fix this, not even (not surprisingly these days) the current preoccupied administration -
The real threat is not just creating links between US protests and al-qaeda etc -- but what happens when an al-qaeda associated group/front (legit or cia-funded) says "we support the occupy movement" -- now the link is conveniently made, and every protester (which is in their reality the 99% of the global population) becomes a supporter of the enemy. It doesn't take a 5th-grader to see the likelihood of this happening. Frankly, I don't think the al-qaeda folks are smart enough to figure this out, it would take a government agency or private contractor to do that.
Remember that al-qaeda is seeking to destroy us, not just with bombs, but internally through our very values. If they can make us destroy ourselves, their job is done. The best allies they have are the ultra-conservat ive wack-jobs who see "the war on terrorism" as an opportunity to destroy our flawed system and impose something like corporate-chris tian talibanism here.
The ultra-conservat ive mind needs constantly to divide the world in to "us" and "them", and it's quite clear that the definition of "them" must now simply include everyone who's "not us".
Paranoid? probably. Likely? Very.
If this is true -- that is, if my recollection is correct -- all we have in the National Defense Authorization Act is the enabling legislation. Turning the armed forces into a de facto national police force complete with concentration-c amp powers would be the logical last step -- in which context the pending move to add the National Guard commander to the Joint Chiefs of Staff makes perfect sense.
Memo to Mr. Taibbi: I'm retired and you're not, which means you have far better access to the requisite sources than I do. Old newsman that I am, I think there's a helluva connect-the-dot s story here. Please check it out.
There will be tanks in the streets of America before this is resolved one way or the other. Unfortunately, tanks usually win over people with nothing but rocks to throw at them.
It was only a matter of time before they tightened the law so that it would be easier to jail ordinary Americans who want a change in a corrupt government. And I won't be at all surprised if there is a bombing which would then lead to an arrest of an American. I think they are either hoping for it or they will stir it up.
Ernst Janning: Judge Haywood... the reason I asked you to come: Those people, those millions of people... I never knew it would come to that. You *must* believe it, *You must* believe it!
Judge Dan Haywood: Herr Janning, it "came to that" the *first time* you sentenced a man to death you *knew* to be innocent.
Do we stand now where Janning stood before "it came to that"?
The people are not sleeping well; they sleep in the land of nightmares. The awake few are wary of saying what they want for fear of the vindictive nature of the Imperium and the vicious Rove like nature of the corporate brain. Someone ought wake the children.
you say: "And so the sleazy scum of rwh Senate and the rethug party are stealing the Right to a fair and speedy trial while the people sleep."
You forgot to mention Carl Levin Democrat and all the other Dems who voted in favor of this law.
Matt Tailbi says: "This isn't about what's logical, it's about what's going on in the brains of people like Lindsey Graham and John McCain."
Granted, Lindsey Graham is a despicable, pea-brained whack job, but Matt, too, has omitted the part about most Democrats voting in favor of this law although he did give good 'ole boy Carl Levin some credit for writing it with McCain the Maverick.
As for Obama running around the country saying he's going to veto this. Remember, he's trying to get re-elected. He'll tell you anything he thinks you want to hear. That is what ALL politicians do.
If you don't get this, you are wrapped up in their political posturing game and are not paying attention to what they say and what they have done/are doing - Dems as well as Repukes.
Don't forget: They all dine at the same trough.
Therefore, the draconian bill, the NDAA for 2012, will be finally passed by the House, and will eventually be signed by one of our ultimate tyrannical and treasonous presidents, "Barack 'Insane' al O'Bomba", globalist extraordinaire and well-groomed patsy of "al-CIA-duh(!)" like the Clintons were/are.
And by the way indefinite/very long detention of U.S. citizens without charges, rights, or trials has already happened - cf Padilla and Manning.
It is a sick form of 'McCarthyism' on steroids.
as near as I can tell the biggest terrorist in the US may be Lindsey Graham for having sworn an oath to protect the Constitution and then does everything he can to subvert it.
As is always the case, it depends on whose ox is being gored.
I heard a story quoted, it may be just a story but to the point. It seems that a very zealot son-in-law of Thomas More said he would cut down every tree in England to get to the Devil. Thomas More was said to asked, "And what will you hide behind when the Devil sets upon you?"
The Founding Fathers were humans with all the human failings save one. None of them seemed to be tainted with the sort of paranoid cowardice of the present GOP/TP. They pledged their own lives and personal property and fortunes to establish a Government Of, By, and For the People and trusted that it would always make the course corrections necessary to continue. I am sure the signers of those first documents are spinning in their graves.
They blame everyone else for everything.
People have allowed this to build and now everyone is all upset...Do something about it before all your rights are gone, duh
Does anyone still believe we have a 2 party system?
“Adieu” had become the motto of the day – a radical leave-taking of everything, without exception. The world I had lived in dissolved and disappeared. Every day another piece vanished quietly, without ado. Every day one looked around and something else had gone and left no trace. I have never since had such a strange experience. It was as if the ground on which one stood was continually trickling away from under one’s feet, or rather as if the air one breathed was steadily, inexorably being sucked away. (p. 194)
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