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Excerpt: "Here are some suggestions: 1. Do not exaggerate our adversaries' strength in order to produce a climate of hysteria that results in repression of civil liberties, embodied in the overwrought USA Patriot Act, and immense long-term damage to our economy ..."

Ralph Nader being interviewed during his 2008 presidential campaign, 08/01/08. (photo: Scrape TV)
Ralph Nader being interviewed during his 2008 presidential campaign, 08/01/08. (photo: Scrape TV)



The Empire Is Eating Itself

By Ralph Nader, CounterPunch

03 September 11

 

he commemorative ceremonies that are planned for the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 massacre are those of pathos for the victims and their families, of praise for both the pursuit of the supporters of the attackers and the performance of first responders and our soldiers abroad.

Flags and martial music will punctuate the combined atmosphere of sorrow and aggressive defiance to those terrorists who would threaten us. These events will be moments of respectful silence and some expressions of rage and ferocity.

But many Americans might also want to pause to recognize - or unlearn - those reactions and overreactions to 9/11 that have harmed our country. How, in this forward-looking manner, can we respect the day of 9/11?

Here are some suggestions:

  1. Do not exaggerate our adversaries' strength in order to produce a climate of hysteria that results in repression of civil liberties, embodied in the overwrought USA Patriot Act, and immense long-term damage to our economy. Consider the massive diversion of trillions of dollars from domestic civilian needs because of the huge expansion and misspending in military and security budgets.


  2. Do not allow our leaders to lie and exaggerate as when they told us there were funded, suicidal and hateful al-Qaeda cells all over our country. They were never here. Actually, the wholesale invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan became recruiting grounds for more al-Qaeda branches there and in other countries - a fact acknowledged by both then-Army Chief of Staff George Casey and then-CIA Director Porter Goss.


  3. Do not create a climate of fear or monopolize a partisan definition of patriotism in order to silence dissent from other political parties, the citizenry or the unfairly arrested or harassed.


  4. Do not tolerate presidents who violate our Constitution and start wars without congressional deliberation and a declaration of war (article 1, section 8, clause 11). Do not let them disobey federal statutes and international treaties in pursuing unlawful, misdirected quicksand wars, as in Iraq, that produce deaths, destruction and debts that undermine our country's national interests.


  5. Do not have Congress write a blank check, outside the normal Appropriations Committee hearing process, for the huge budgetary demands from the executive branch for funding of the Iraq, Afghan-Pakistan and other undeclared wars.


  6. Do not allow the executive branch to engage in unconstitutional and illegal recurrent practices such as wiretapping and other methods of surveillance of Americans without judicial approval, in addition to arrests without charges, indefinite imprisonment, torture and denial of habeas corpus and other due process rights established by our Founding Fathers. Congress has passed no reforms to check the continuing exercise of unchecked dictatorial presidential power.


  7. Do not let the government hide the horrors of war from the people by prohibiting photographs of U.S. casualties; operating cruel, secret prisons; harassing reporters; and refusing to count civilian casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. There is too much intimidation of returning soldiers - so many harmed for life - from telling the people what they experienced and think about these wars and their heavy outsourcing to profiteering corporations.


  8. Do not allow leaders to violate American principles with torture or other war crimes prohibited by the Geneva Conventions. Nor should top military brass or members of the executive branch be above our laws and escape accountability.


  9. Do not allow your Congress to abdicate or transfer its own constitutional authorities to the president. We the people have not exercised our civic duties enough to make our representatives in Congress fulfill their obligations under the Constitution to decide whether we go to war and act as a watchdog of the president's conduct. The Libyan war was decided and funded by President Obama without congressional approval.


  10. Call out those in the news media who become a mouthpiece of the president and his departments involved in these hostilities. What more is the military really doing in Libya, Somali and Yemen as compared with the official line? Under what legal authority?

In addition, demand that news media outlets seek the inconvenient facts, wherever they might lead, unlike the pre-Iraq invasion period.

The celebrated American theologian-philosopher Reinhold Niebuhr aptly wrote decades ago that "to the end of history, social orders will probably destroy themselves in the effort to prove that they are indestructible."

All empires eventually eat away at their own and devour themselves.


Ralph Nader is a consumer advocate, lawyer and author of "Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us!" He is encouraging people around the country to gather in their own towns or cities on September 10 to discuss ways to avoid overreactions to threats.

 

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+74 # Anarchist 23 2011-09-03 13:06
Support 911 Truth! Can you really believe the Official History after 10 years? Sure jet-grade kerosene can melt steel! Silly metal workers' unions-all this time thinking they needed blast furnaces to melt steel! Or was OBL in league with Lord Voldemort and used Fiend Fyre to melt and then explode the WTC? If you keep buying the muyths, you keep buying the wars and all that go with them!!!!
 
 
-111 # JaneAnneJ 2011-09-03 13:13
I don't trust Nader. Why is he coming out of the wood work? A good way to celebrate 9/11, if one is not participating in a 'day of service,' might be to check out the film by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, “Experts Speak Out.”
 
 
+160 # Glen 2011-09-03 15:10
Ralph Nader is not "coming out of the woodwork". Nader has been around for decades. You might want to check out his biography and his efforts against corporations and the auto industry.

The issues he outlines here are the truth of what has transpired in the U.S. as a result of the attack on New York and the Pentagon. Nader is not unaware of all the research on those events. Nader is a man who cannot be fooled.

Nor are a lot of us out here.
 
 
+50 # Broger 2011-09-03 17:11
Check out the movie documentary on Ralph Nader. "An Unreasonable Man. If anyone could run the country it would be him, but I hope he doesn't run or he will get assassinated same as JFK et al who spoke truth to power.
 
 
+63 # michelle 2011-09-03 17:56
Just maybe he thinks the USA is worth saving. Just maybe he thinks we still have time to reverse the conservative destruction of America. Just maybe he thinks we might join him in keeping America alive.
 
 
+38 # Jorge 2011-09-03 23:23
Yes, Ralph Nader is not one to just sit there and do nothing. I understand that he is actively looking for an electable Progressive to challenge Obama in the Dem 2012 Primary (remember how war-monger Lyndon Johnson declined to run again when challenged by Gene McCarthy, and later others?). He has been working against big corporations and for the average worker for decades. There is much to do to reverse the slide into fascism.
 
 
-53 # JaneAnneJ 2011-09-04 07:43
I would prefer Nader to do what he can to help President Obama get the infrastructure bank we need. How can Nader influence his wealthy friends to stop obstructing? Maybe he could start a club of the super-rich, including himself, who could make a pact to save the USA.
 
 
+54 # Jeff C 2011-09-04 10:20
Well, there is absolutely no basis in fact to any claim that Ralph Nader is either a beneficiary of great personal wealth or associates with the “super-rich.” Anyone who has followed Mr. Nader’s honorable and distinguished record of selfless public service as long as I have would agree that any such claims are completely absurd. Furthermore, his commentary here is both timely and vitally important. There is a lesson I learned as a young military officer that I have never forgotten: that terrorist acts are often committed to elicit predictable responses of panic, confusion and anger that can readily destabilize democratic processes. And this lesson is implicit in Mr. Nader’s comments. His comments are important both in terms of recognizing a genuinely rational and effective response to terrorism and in terms of preserving democratic values and principles. When we honor the preservation of democracy, as Ralph Nader has done, then we truly honor the victims of 9/11.
 
 
+24 # camus11 2011-09-04 12:33
@JaneAnneJ--cle arly you have no'f'ng clue about what you write.
 
 
+13 # Billy Bob 2011-09-04 13:00
Yes, by all means, Ralph Nader should help the Slacker and Chief PRIVATIZE the nation's infrastructure. (PLEASE NOTE THE SARCASM)

Speaking of "coming out of the woodwork", I don't remember reading comments by you before.
 
 
+8 # jon 2011-09-04 22:14
clearly a republican dirty trickster plant
 
 
+9 # jon 2011-09-04 22:13
Are you sure you are not Rush Limbaugh using an assumed name?
 
 
+28 # NanFan 2011-09-04 07:08
Quoting michelle:
Just maybe he thinks the USA is worth saving. Just maybe he thinks we still have time to reverse the conservative destruction of America. Just maybe he thinks we might join him in keeping America alive.


Quoting michelle:
Just maybe he thinks the USA is worth saving. Just maybe he thinks we still have time to reverse the conservative destruction of America. Just maybe he thinks we might join him in keeping America alive.


Right on, Michelle!

And just MAYBE Mr. Nader wants us to believe it, too, to stand up against the injustices, not fall into the trap of false patriotism, but find a way into understanding that true patriotism is about the people WORKING THE DEMOCRACY, not this bogus capitalist empire we have ALLOWED to fester and erupt.

He's so right...I said this just yesterday to my husband...we've been allowing our government to swallow up the little people and make them unnecessary...n o jobs -- they're outsourced...go to war for nothing -- come home maimed and depressed with no real help, if you get home at all...we are a RAVENOUS corporate state, truly eating our own.

And I hate to say again, but we have only seen the beginning.

Ralph Nader speaks for me!

N.
 
 
+5 # NanFan 2011-09-04 07:25
Sorry about the double quote insert. Don't know how that happened????

Anyway, you get my point.

Fight against injustice, and never, ever stop doing so in whatever way we can!

N.
 
 
+1 # OpenMind 2011-09-05 14:34
Ralph Nader speaks for me too!
 
 
+53 # reiverpacific 2011-09-03 19:13
Quoting JaneAnneJ:
I don't trust Nader. Why is he coming out of the wood work? A good way to celebrate 9/11, if one is not participating in a 'day of service,' might be to check out the film by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, “Experts Speak Out.”

As an Architect with a strong engineering background, I've been astounded at the uniformly symmetrical collapse of the twin towers since I first witnessed it on film -and some of the rationalization s for it, even by the design structural engineers. -And then there is the "Building Seven" anomaly, which I've never even herd an in-depth discussion about, anywhere. And by the way, the replacements are such a HUGE disappointment, just aesthetically for a start -my daughter (15 at the time) submitted a design concept which was hugely more original and symbolic than what is being built. The age of mediocrity is definitely upon us.
And by the way, great words from Ralph Nader -he has never been afraid to get it out there!
 
 
+10 # KittatinyHawk 2011-09-03 20:45
A Park should have been the place where all could have gone to think about what happened. Families could have seen something positive, with a tribute to their lost ones.
This was just greed to put up more buildings for business like usual attitude.

I never bought the building collapsing as they did. Very bad Steel used or lots of inspectors bought off. But whatever happened, i do hope their is retribution for those who committed these crimes. Because they have not stopped killing yet.
 
 
+14 # futhark 2011-09-04 06:07
I was surprised right after the 9/11 attacks that more structural engineers didn't start speaking out on the design of the towers that made them unable to sustain airliner impacts without collapsing. My daughter was an architectural engineering student at the time and she never once mentioned any of her professors saying anything about the collapse of the towers.

Later, when I began to doubt the orthodox Cheney/Bush explanation it occurred to me that many structural engineers would have seen the falsity of this hypothesis from the very beginning, but, in all the ongoing anti-Muslim hysteria, thought better than to speak out for truth at the risk of their employment. I still feel this is probably the case.
 
 
-10 # JaneAnneJ 2011-09-04 07:46
Well, many have been speaking out since the beginning. They are getting more and more artful at it.
 
 
-4 # universlman 2011-09-04 12:14
the replacements are such a HUGE disappointment, just aesthetically. . . the age of mediocrity is definitely upon us. the only words ever spoken by the donald that had the ring of truth to me were a statement that "they should have built the towers in the same place and ten feet higher"
 
 
+15 # noitall 2011-09-04 12:33
Don't put Nader down for his patriotism. It is our Democratic process to run for office if one has something to offer. It is the problem with the system that stifles ideas and truth in exchange for the 'trooth' that they are peddling. When Nader ran, he was the best choice of the two that were offered by this pathetic two-party system. You don't get a place in line unless you're a corporate puppet. "Coming out of the wood work"? he hasn't left. "Celebration" of 9/11 is foolspeak for grief over the way it was made to be a catalyst for the place this 'Republic' finds itself today. Guys like Nader are painted as foes and fools by the shills that are owned by the corporate puppet masters (your only REAL enemy in this world).
 
 
+7 # noitall 2011-09-04 12:42
All that Nader says is true and we are prime players in the BIG SIN. We are addicted to the very things that sets the scene for 9/11s and all that follows. The question is, do we have the courage and fortitude to recognize this AND to do something about it?! In a nutshell, this is what its all about: http://www.youtube.com/storyofstuffproject#p/u/22/9GorqroigqM
It might be more difficult than you think but not less crutial to survival.
 
 
-59 # chick 2011-09-03 13:31
I liked Ralph once a long time ago.

those two flyers that rammed the Twin Towers were sure funded by someone. they learned how to fly right here in the good old USA, They were obviously muslims and I believe it was reported but no one did anything about it.
 
 
+66 # Terrapin 2011-09-03 14:53
those two flyers that rammed the Twin Towers were sure funded by someone ...
Perhaps you might ask Dick Cheney that question ... or ask why WTC #7 so convenient collapsed in a controlled demolition takedown.
 
 
+13 # geraldom 2011-09-03 18:49
One of the 1st films to come out to debunk the official govt story that 19 hijackers with box-cutters hijacked 4 commercial jetliners allegedly crashing 2 into the 2 WTC towers, one into the Pentagon & one that allegedly crashed in Shanksville, PA, was titled "Loose Change." In that film, it showed that the U.S. had the capability of flying & controlling a large jumbo jet remotely without having any pilots onboard.

The point being made here is that the 2 planes that crashed into the 2 WTC towers were essentially pilotless drones, not the actual hijacked airliners. The reason that I make this point is that no American would consciously pilot & commit suicide by flying a large jumbo jet into a skyscraper like the WTC towers, & I know for a fact, based on the multiple videos taken that day of these planes, that they weren't the 2 planes that were actually hijacked by these alleged Muslim hijackers.

If 9/11 was an inside job by the Bush admin to justify the illegal wars of aggression & the dismantling of our Constitution & our Bill of Rights as I firmly believe to be the case, one might wonder what actually did happen to all 4 of the hijacked planes & the passengers who were onboard?

I think the answer is quite obvious, but I leave that answer totally up to your imagination.
 
 
+65 # Terrapin 2011-09-03 14:57
They were OBVIOUSLY MUSLIMS ... so was the responsible party for the Oklahoma City Federal Building, until, OOPS, it turned out to be and All-American Boy, proudly trained by The Marines(?) ...
 
 
+5 # KittatinyHawk 2011-09-03 20:49
Yes and I do believe we the taxpayers were paying the SOB's to run the USA.
I would not have cared if they were Quakers, killing is killing.
Whoever they were, are Yes people learn to fly, drive trucks, cabs, cars everyday...mone y to be made by those who teach and those who get the license.??

Ralph made an error against Gore but he is human. He can be forgiven but Americans using others to Kill Americans, cannot be.
 
 
+41 # alan17b0 2011-09-03 13:48
How are we going to stop "the Empire" from
waging wars? I have been using the following
idea here in the D.C. area for the past
two and a half years, and I wish that Mr
Nader, who lives here, would join in.

We sell our gorgeous "No Afghan War" buttons
for a dollar. With the substantial profits
we buy yard signs and offer them free. Lots
of people take them.

We need helpers! with ten co-workers we
could cover the D.C. area in signs!

Alan McConnell, in Silver Spring MD
 
 
+12 # KittatinyHawk 2011-09-03 20:53
You are looking at just DC, you could get those yard signs up all over America...so give us all some buttons to earn our signs.

I'll get a PO box let's start the movement...Chri stmas is coming, great gifts...send some to Congress, Senate, Governors etc. Media also
 
 
+12 # anarchteacher 2011-09-03 14:19
By their continual deference to the Wall Street investment banks and elite corporatists of the military-indust rial complex who finance their campaigns, both the status quo Democrats and Republicans have shown their true colors and betrayed their electoral base of supporters. We do not have "red" or "blue" states but only "brown."

Never forget this dire warning from the popular New Republic columnist John T. Flynn:

"The test of fascism is not one's rage against the Italian and German war lords. The test is - how many of the essential principles of fascism do you accept and to what extent are you prepared to apply those fascist ideas to American social and economic life? When you can put your finger on the men or the groups that urge for America the debt-supported state, the autarchial corporative state, the state bent on the socialization of investment and the bureaucratic government of industry and society, the establishment of the institution of militarism as the great glamorous public-works project of the nation and the institution of imperialism under which it proposes to regulate and rule the world and, along with this, proposes to alter the forms of our government to approach as closely as possible the unrestrained, absolute government - then you will know you have located the authentic fascist."

Fight Fascism - Ron Paul 2012
 
 
+51 # Jonggmaster 2011-09-03 15:20
The quoted paragaph from John T. Flynn is a mis-directed projection. Fascism is the alliance of business and government for the mutual benefit of both. Capital, not labor, is of primary concern. Capital will always manage labor for its greatest return. Organized religion is left to accommodate the losers in this game.

The "freedom" libertarians demand is illusionary and impossible to sustain. There will always be poor, untrained, physically and mentally disadvantaged, and people that the "free" do not understand and are fearful of. The result? Final solutions. Sound familiar? And the impotent Christians will stand by watching and saying nothing.
 
 
+18 # KittatinyHawk 2011-09-03 20:55
Fascism is here, Nazi-ism is coming
 
 
-60 # Gord84 2011-09-03 14:52
A lot of the present problem can be laid at Nader's feet - if it weren't for him, the US would never have had G.W. Bush as president - the start of the downfall of America. On the other hand, he is correct in what he now says.
 
 
+52 # in deo veritas 2011-09-03 15:37
Once again,Nader was NOT responsible for Bush. If the simpletons in my home state of WV had not handed him 5 electoral votes, the mess in FL would have been irrelevant and the Supremely Corrupt Court would not have been able to pick the winner. The repugs have never done a thing for my state-quite the opposite but we have an abysmally ignorant electorate. I am fearful that the fools will choose a Repug governor who is a first class charlatan who conducts business in WV but has his company chartered in DE so he pays us no taxes. He also has a mansion in GA.He also said he would not accept federal funds for education if elected. Where would the funds come from to keep the schols open? This is a state with the second lowest incomes in the nation and the 6th highest poverty rate. This didn't occur overnight but over the last decade.
 
 
+60 # Glen 2011-09-03 15:54
No, Gord84, George W. Bush was destined to be elected by illicit means. Nader did not prevent Gore from being elected. The supreme court did, along with those complicit in manipulating the voting system. Do some research on that Florida debacle. It had nothing to do with Nader.
 
 
+17 # m.mk 2011-09-03 18:52
>A lot of the present problem can be laid at Nader's feet - if it weren't for him, the US would never have had G.W. Bush as president

The meme.

Even IF we concede the point, one cannot blame Nader for taking impeachment off the table, now can one?

Actions like that proved Nader's point.
 
 
+66 # jbkenley 2011-09-03 14:52
HE IS CORRECT ON ALL POINTS.We the people have not exercised our civic duties enough to make our representatives in Congress fulfill their obligations under the Constitution to decide whether we go to war and act as a watchdog of the president's conduct.
 
 
-46 # Gord84 2011-09-03 14:53
A lot of the present problem can be laid at Nader's feet - if it weren't for him, the US would never have had G.W. Bush as president - the start of the downfall of America. On the other hand, he is correct in what he now says.
 
 
+25 # in deo veritas 2011-09-03 15:38
Kindly read my post above-NOT Nader's fault Bush slimed under the door.
 
 
+27 # michelle 2011-09-03 17:59
If not for Katherine Harris and GHWBush's buddies on the Supreme Court. Lets place blame where it belongs.
 
 
+9 # lark3650 2011-09-04 10:07
Ralph Nader has been and always will be the voice of reason. Can you say voter fraud? PLLLLLEEEEASSSS SEEE
 
 
+2 # reiverpacific 2011-09-04 10:18
Quoting Gord84:
A lot of the present problem can be laid at Nader's feet - if it weren't for him, the US would never have had G.W. Bush as president - the start of the downfall of America. On the other hand, he is correct in what he now says.


Have you got an echo of yereslf out there mate?
 
 
+39 # jeanrodenbough 2011-09-03 15:17
There are also stories not covered by news media. I receive news through the Christian Peacemaker Team about what is going on in Palestine as the Israelis constantly harass the farmers -- the settlers uproot olive trees, damage crops, kill sheep, and Israelis soldiers stand by and do nothing to stop this. School children are also harassed, this time by Israeli soldiers. And for the past several months, demonstrations have been going on in Kurdistan, with peace agreements made, with new incidents, and these stories have never hit the main stream news media. I suspect there is a reason for the news blackout but for the life of me I don't know why.
 
 
+40 # antineocon 2011-09-03 15:25
Nader makes more sense than he ever did too bad he is starting to look lik a stateman now that he is in the later yars of his life. Go Ralph speak out on these important issues...what you say is truth.
 
 
+30 # fredboy 2011-09-03 16:14
These warnings reveal the real dominos, the flagstones of national failure. America should have been strengthened; instead, its civil liberties and the concept of collective courage were gutted by politicos on both sides of the aisle and the "news" media.

This has been and continues to be damned disappointing.
 
 
+23 # angelfish 2011-09-03 17:15
In other words, Ralph, The Government should STOP treating us like children, STOP lying us into Wars, STOP mismanaging our Tax Dollars, and STOP OVER FUNDING an already Gargantuan Military! Why don't you go and nail these TRUTHS you have enumerated on the Doors of Congress ala Martin Luther! Sadly, MOST of the Creeps IN the Congress are too self-absorbed to even stop and READ them!
 
 
+20 # gfelder 2011-09-03 17:32
WE did not walk into this mess with out the help of Both parties. Reagan managed to get the ball directed down hill as the result of the paralysis of the Democrat's due to the popularity of Reagan and do- nothing's in Congress sat by quietly failed protect the interests of working Americans. We are now experiencing this Harvest of our labours while a spineless President continues greet each new request by giving ever MORE. Can We even think of 4 more years!
 
 
+28 # Yakpsyche 2011-09-03 19:00
Thank you Ralph Nader. Please tell us HOW to "not allow" these things you mention that have already happened.

All you commentators, WAKE UP! Its already happened. You live in fascist land deluxe. Don't get your dander up about how its becoming that way. It already is that way. Too late. Question is, "Is this irrevocable?' or are we stuck with this situation for good?

All the ranting and philosophizing is a waste; nothing but hot air. While you give your deep opinions on these sites about how things should be the power folks with the money and power are carrying on with their machinations, locking you and me and everyone else in this "great country of ours" deeper and deeper into their tyrannical plan. Overall goal? (already well on its way) Kill the USA as an middle class country and turn it into just another third world nation: low wages, poverty, collapsing infrastructure, pollution all over the place and a small elite class of super rich living insulated lives, controlling the so called government from behind the scenes with an ongoing propaganda campaign to convince people that things could be lots worse, that we are the best people on earth and we should all be thankful for this miserable existence, because nothing else is really possible; so don't be ungrateful. Besides, its all those other guy's fault.
 
 
+17 # Jean Kathleen 2011-09-03 19:20
The most recent example of "devouring themselves" is the USSR. My thinking in 1989 was that the US was on the road to doing the same, albeit a somewhat different path.
 
 
+12 # KittatinyHawk 2011-09-03 21:00
But the Path no less corrupt
 
 
+6 # Pinetree05 2011-09-03 22:32
What to do to implement Mr. Nader's outline? There are several good resources. One is ENGAGING OUR CONFLICTS: AN EXPLORATION OF NONVIOLENT PEACEMAKING, by Just Faith Ministries, and Pace e Bene Press, edited by Ken Preston. Do all the exercises in groups of a dozen or so, and work in a network of other such affinity groups. It will change your life and the course of history.
 
 
+15 # angelfish 2011-09-04 00:06
Bin ladin is roasting in Hell and laughing his crispy A** off at Bush's Folly in lying us into the most costly and senseless Wars EVER entered into in the History of the Universe! We MUST not let it be a total loss, recovery is Possible if we stop listening to the Fear and War Mongers who insist that it was something we HAD to do to protect ourselves and the World. We are NOT safer and the World's Economy, as well as our own, is in a shambles. We are OWNED by the Chinese and other Foreign Nations that have bought up our Debt and our own MEGA-Wealthy Rapists, the K.N.F.P. (Koch/Norquist Fascist Party), are HARD at work trying to get more "dubya" types elected to the Presidency! Remember his Fateful words when he mangled that old adage, "Fool me once, Shame on YOU, Fool me Twice, SHAME on ME"! Bin Ladin has just about succeeded in bankrupting us Morally and Financially. It's sad to see that there are SOME Americans who have helped him in that endeavor! VOTE them OUT in 2012!
 
 
+9 # Clayton Stouffer 2011-09-04 12:55
WHAT MATTERS IS TAKING POLITICAL ACTION. TALK make one feel ventilated.

IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ACTION, ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING, YOU SHOULD GO TO: www.actionsources.org. This site is a street sign that DIRECTS YOU TO THE ACTION ORGANIZATIONS (.orgs)that are on the front lines of reversing or ameliorating the Supreme Court's CITIZENS UNITED decision that allows corporations to give unlimited donations to PACs that support their choice of candidates WITHOUT DISCLOSURE!

IF YOU SUPPORT THESE ORGS. THERE IS A CHANCE THAT WHAT IS LEFT OF OUR DEMOCRACY CAN BE SAVED AND IMPROVED UPON. IF NOT, YOU WILL GET TO LIVE AN A 100% FASCIST CORPORATE STATE AFTER VERY FEW MORE ELECTIONS. We are nearly there already.
 
 
+11 # wfalco 2011-09-04 16:33
The empire is alive on the visible surface but internally dead.

The deadness is the result of the control of our lives that the corporate, military, and big finance interests have.
Combine this control with a propagandized media and what we are left with is a dumbed down middle and lower class population that is force fed what to believe. Many, of course, are completely confused and would likely be unable to explain the philosophic differences between liberals and conservatives. Many of these same folks would "test out " as liberal but define themselves as conservative. Only because it sounds more grounded in patriotism.

I think the country has been lost. Without a core belief system of who we are and what we stand for the powered interests will continue to roll the dice. And the dice they roll are fixed.

I live and work among these lost souls I have described as being ignorant of politics. Do I blame them? I don't know. I know that without a politicized and radicalized working class we are in for dangerous times.
 
 
+8 # drush 2011-09-04 21:12
People still think Nader caused something.
We are a nation of fools that elected a fool as president.
Gore had no right to concede he was supposed to be our leader. He would have been it he had not conceded. what was that all about. What about those that did vote for him.
As Toquaville said the leadership of the US represents the will of the people better then any country in the world.
Maybe fools don't have a will.
What a great country it would be if it would only elect a Nader as leader.
 
 
+1 # Hot Doggie 2011-09-05 10:08
And worst of all is that this method of governing is teaching the up coming leaders how leaders should act. What a poor role model the present administration sets for the newbees. Ensuring that this type of governing will go on in the future. They make laws pertainig to contributing to the delinquency of a minor. What about contributing to the delinquency of new leaders?
 
 
-8 # SoCal Johnnie 2011-09-05 23:27
Get lost Nader...You are part of the problem...not the solution
Gore loses Florida by 97,000 votes that go to 3rd party Nader and Bush wins election:
Economic collapse
Housing market collapse
Labor market collapse
Banking collapse

Just minor problems for the last 10 years caused by NADER and his ego trip...It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious...
 
 
+6 # lark3650 2011-09-06 05:45
Seriously...Al Gore didn't even carry his own state. There has never been anyone who has stood up for the American people more than Ralph Nader.
 
 
+5 # Annalois 2011-09-06 10:26
No one ever talks about the fact that Cheney was in charge of NORD, building #7 went down the same way and no plane hit it, and Cheney did not want 9/11 investigated.
 
 
+2 # Glen 2011-09-07 07:02
Cheney was in charge of EVERYTHING. There is no doubt about that. Even Panetta reported Cheney's presence in the bunker PRIOR to the attack, etc. As I have said many times, nobody operates in a vacuum. There are always witnesses.

The mistake folks make has to do with assuming all is well "out there". The U.S. government never lies, there are no witnesses, other countries are never interested or investigate operations by the U.S. domestically or internationally .
 
 
0 # K.D. 2011-09-07 08:58
Why listen to Nader when he gave us Bush? On the cusp of the election in 2000, it was unconscionable for him to say that Gore and Bush were the same. It was unconscionable for him to not tell his followers to vote for Gore, when it was clear that his votes might make a difference, which they did.

Nader's poisonous cynicism and blind egotism helped deal a lethal blow to a country already well on its path to ruin. I spit on him.
 
 
+2 # Kimberly999 2011-09-07 09:24
The Eleventh Day by Summers & Swan has alot of detailed research about the info on the redacted pages of the "official" 9/11 Report. There was obvious collusion somewhere - probably from oil interests where the Saudi/Texas connections run thick. As to Nader, he lives a modest life and has an exemplary reputation for serving the public interests - where a man of his skill could have easily made top dollar serving himself or business interests. He has my utmost respect. Gore let us down in 2000,but who knows what dirt the Beltway operatives had on him or his family. God help anyone who tries to run this country for the benefit of the bottom 90% - he/she will need an army of angels to protect them.
 
 
0 # sniderman53 2011-09-08 09:42
Mr. Nader,
Go back to being a consumer advocate,
You, in my humble opinion did as much or more than any right wing PAC to put Dick Cheney at the helm, (with the retarded chimp as his puppet).
You sir, through political naivety, or massive ego, played a huge part in creating the mess these greedy buzzards have put the American people and people around the world into.
 
 
0 # James Marcus 2011-09-18 17:30
I agree with all these Suggestions from Ralph.
But, in #2 - #9, it is suggested 'do not allow'.
I'm wondering, just 'how' we should 'not allow'?
 
 
+1 # RobertMStahl 2011-11-10 09:35
That is like saying, since the earth revolves around the sun, we should ignore the fact that we know that so we can concentrate on the fact that the sun is moving at 100,000 mph through deep space, or whatever the number is. For the statistical fact of Nader's that I agree with, big fish to fry and all that, or where I cannot even accept logic as more important than a modest imagination, the absurdity of this logic defeats any purpose whatsoever. Billy! Leave your brother alone.
 
 
+1 # RobertMStahl 2011-11-10 09:56
Oh, and www.OccupyBuilding7.org is not something ignoring will help, although, for what is ignored throughout western civ's gruesome history, what's the difference? The lack of patina on our rear view mirrors winds up, or winds down to this more and more every day. Well, the difference in this case may be the golden thread given by Indira Singh in her 2005 interview on Guns and Butter. Maybe the OWSers in NYC will Occupy Building 7, creating a silver needle for her golden thread, GoAgile. Or, maybe the Occupy London will get somewhere on November 12, http://www.truth-out.org/medieval-unaccountable-corporation-london-ripe-protest/1320336191
 

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