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Wolf writes: "The reliable media theme of 'Hating Madonna', whenever she steps out of her pretty-girl-pop-music bandwidth, is so consistent that it deserves scrutiny in its own right. Why can the press just not wait to hate Madonna at these moments?"

Madonna, a picture of military-industrial western masculinity. (photo: Timothy A. Clary/AFP/Getty Images)
Madonna, a picture of military-industrial western masculinity. (photo: Timothy A. Clary/AFP/Getty Images)



Madonna, Like a Man, and Hated for It

By Naomi Wolf, Guardian UK

07 February 12

 

As her new film reminds us, Madonna is as unapologetic as ever - and it's doing wonders for the collective female psyche

f you really want to watch vitriol flow on a monumental scale, be Madonna and dare to make a film.

It's been instructive to watch the trajectory of Madonna's recent fantasy-biopic of Wallis Simpson, WE, emerge into the critical light of day. A flawed but daring, visually mesmerizing piece, it takes a look at the journeys of two women - Wallis Simpson, re-envisioned by Andrea Riseborough, and a modern Upper East Side abused Stepford wife, Wally ­- as they emerge from victimization to personal autonomy and self-realization.

Yes, the film is not perfect - it has its historical solecisms, for instance - but it is far from representing the outright crime you would think Madonna had committed, were you a just-landed Martian reading the reviews. The recent Entertainment Weekly notice started: "The movie is a folly, a desultory vanity project for its director and co-writer."

Others were even more personally brutal. Many of the notices reviewed Madonna herself - with distaste - rather than the film, refusing to engage with it on its merits at all.

Having had the chance to interview her, I get from the start why one's fallback position can so easily be "hating Madonna". By 10am, the day of our meeting, my daughter had suggested that I change out of my boring trousers into something trendier; my partner, once I was in a dress, suggested film people were more casual; and my mom, who hadn't worried about this stuff since I was 14, called to remind me to brush the back of my hair.

Before I had even left the house, I looked hopelessly uncool.

Since Madonna is positioned as always "cooler than thou", we all are primed for schadenfreude if something in her fabulous life goes amiss. But I found when I met her that I respected her - and I respect her film.

Is Madonna a self-absorbed megalomaniac with a touch of the arriviste? Probably; but so are dozens of equally brilliant male artists in other mediums, whose imperfect but worthwhile new efforts are treated with hushed awe (see the reverence accorded the solemn and often tedious Tom Ford film, A Single Man). The reliable media theme of "Hating Madonna", whenever she steps out of her pretty-girl-pop-music bandwidth, is so consistent that it deserves scrutiny in its own right.

Why can the press just not wait to hate Madonna at these moments?

Because she must be punished, for the same reason that every woman who steps out of line must be punished. Madonna is infuriating to the mainstream commentariat when she dares to extend her range because she is acting in the same way a serious, important male artist acts. (And seizing the director's chair, that icon of phallic assertiveness, is provocative as hell.) She is taking for granted that she is allowed to stretch. This is intolerable, because Madonna has not done the sorts of things that allow women of immense talent to get "permission" or "to be liked".

What is so maddening? She does what every serious male artists does. That is: she doesn't apologize for her talent or for her influence. What comes across quite profoundly when one interviews her is that she is preoccupied with her work and her gifts - just as serious male artists are, who often seem self-absorbed. She has the egoless honesty of the serious artist that reads like ego, especially in women.

Madonna is that forbidden thing, the Nietzschean creative woman.

Her preoccupation with a high level of work doesn't allow her to follow the usual script that powerful women are expected to follow - "don't hate me for my success, don't hate me for my power". She doesn't pretend to the press that she thinks she is not talented, or suggest that she happened to make high-level art for decades unconsciously, or by accident, or in her sleep.

She doesn't parade her vulnerabilities; she does not play the victim. She is not continually letting us in to the details of some battle with bulimia or weight problems or health problems or drug abuse, or the way her heart always seems to get broken (fill in likeable talented/wealthy/successful actress, musician, etc here). Nor does she complain about how hard it is to juggle work and family, or let us into photo shoots where we see the banal and recognizable rituals of grocery shopping or ferrying kids, so that we can know reassuringly that she is JUST LIKE US (fill in likeable female politician/news anchor here).

If she did engage in those ritual forms of self-abnegation that influential women are encouraged to spin to soft pedal their power in our media culture, we would "like her more". But she would be far less important - both as an artist, and to the collective female psyche.

Many of us love the fact that Madonna does not apologize for her Nietzschean self or her appetites - that she wraps herself in glamor, not mom jeans, and that she glams up intentionally as she gets older. (I loved the fact that when I entered her astonishingly opulent home - or set of homes, all connected behind a high iron wall - the place was populated with discreet, stunningly handsome young male staffers, from all backgrounds - from the gorgeous chauffeur to the gorgeous security guard to the gorgeous fellow who brought in the sparkling water).

Even her movie, WE, does not apologize for female centrality the way most works of art by women still feel they must do: she places Wallis and Wally's journeys right at the center of the narrative. The men are peripheral, sometimes two-dimensional images (The Abuser, The Great Lover) but this works in the story just the way that female Muse figures, or Whores with Hearts of Gold, often work in films about male self-realization. Even the really erotic love scenes are shot from the female heterosexual perspective. The Lover is lit and his body panned in the same delectable aesthetic that male heterosexual directors always use on the female body. I mean, how dare she?

Last night, at half-time during the Super Bowl - that military-industrial complex factory of western masculinity, in which beefed-up men were pounding the stuffing out of each other, in between shots of the troops in Afghanistan - Madonna was marched on stage by a glistening gladiator muscle-troupe and flipped the flowing cape of LMFAO's RedFoo. Madonna was invited to perform at the Super Bowl - and ended up satirizing the Super Bowl. The girl can't help herself, and thank God for that.

So Madonna's refusal to be less powerful, less entitled, less desiring and less not-ordinary, is always going to bring out the haters, whether she is playing with sacred iconography or just pissing people off. But I would say that this ongoing hostility is just the proof she should need that she is doing her proper job in the collective female psyche.

 

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+32 # SpazzMoe 2012-02-07 14:44
Thanks for the article, Ms. Wolf. I thought Madonna was hot back in the 80's and is even hotter now. IMHO, her Super Bowl show was top-notch. Wretched excess at its finest! I look forward to seeing "W.E."
 
 
+27 # bugbuster 2012-02-07 15:15
Madonna rules. Her bold and innovative act has always been compelling to me. Because of her I tried for years--unsuccessfully--to get my wife and daughter to wear non-matching earrings, just once, for me. No dice.

More importantly, she came across in an interview as, more than anything, a driven hard worker and a dedicated and caring leader of her cast and crew. She is one of the hardest working showgirls in the business.

We have all seen show business at that level grind down and sometimes even kill people. She is a strong person, and, I believe, a good person.
 
 
+8 # Billy Bob 2012-02-07 18:35
I went to a high school in the '80s filled with Madonna wanabes. They all had the "Like a Virgin" garb on. They were comical, but we all secretly kinda liked it.
 
 
+13 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-02-07 15:28
I do not hate Madonna. Thought she was great in "Dick Tracey". However, her over-sexualized, outrageous manner of drawing attention "whether she is playing with sacred iconography or just pissing people off" has in no way helped to empower my female psyche. I do think Naomi Wolf's article is relevant in regard to "the collective female psyche" and an important read for both genders. Thanks, Naomi
 
 
+25 # Billy Bob 2012-02-07 18:33
Is she oversexualized or is she just taking ownership of her sexuality?
 
 
+6 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-02-07 19:28
Billy Bob: Madonna has exploited her sexuality with her over the top costumes and that being her central focus. Sorry, to some women, there are more appropriate ways to take ownership of one's sexuality.
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-02-07 20:58
You might be right. My question is rhetorical. I think of Madonna as an artist. I reserve that word for very few people. I think some people use conventional media and are geniuses with those. I picture her as someone who's sexuality is part of her art.

I'm not trying to give her more credit than she deserves. She may just be an amoral Hollywood climber. I used to think that, for sure. In fact, when she was young, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what she was. Now, I don't know.

I'm a very reserved guy. I'm the guy in the corner during a party making quiet conversation with the same friends I entered with. I have no clue what it's like to be the outgoing one. So, I'm often fascinated by people who seem to have no reservations whatsoever. To me, she's just set up that way and sexual exhibitionism isn't just vanity for her, but an expression of her personality. I guess it's sort of the difference between "pornography" and "eroticism". In some ways the only difference between one and the other is the intent of the creator.

CONT.
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-02-07 20:58
CONT.

I'm not saying you're wrong though. For me, the jury's still out. I'm the most offended guy you ever met about the societal degradation we've been subjected to by pop culture, but at the same time, I worry if I'm just too prudish. I'm also a little jealous of those with no inhibitions. I guess to me, what matters is her motivation.

By the way, I thought she was incredible in Dick Tracy. That was probably the best thing she's ever done. Some credit needs to go to Danny Elfman for that, of course. It seems to me that Madonna's role in that movie was pretty much a fictional version of Madonna herself.
 
 
+1 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-02-10 01:02
Billy Bob: Your comments are fabulous.
Creative and reflective and carefully written. You are an excellent Poster. Madonna was incredible in "Dick Tracey" and so was Warren Beatty and his girl friend and the kid. The songs and the
briliant colors and the story was cinema at it's best. Not sure who Danny Elfman is. You rock, Billy Bob.
 
 
+10 # KittatinyHawk 2012-02-07 19:40
Taking ownership
 
 
+14 # DLT888 2012-02-07 15:39
Love it! Thanks, Naomi!
 
 
-19 # rhink2@netscape.net 2012-02-07 15:45
I understand the point, but can't our sisters find a better representative to articulate it? I think Madonna is bashed not so much because she irritates the male-dominated establishment, but rather because she has no talent as an entertainer. She is an embarrassingly bad actress; she has a weak, willowy voice; she hasn't danced an interesting step since she was with the Alvin Ailey Dance Troupe and I'm not sure she could even then; I've never heard her tell a joke worth laughing at; I've never heard her play a musical instrument, do acrobatics, or even juggle.

Her one talent, if one stretches the definition of talent, is to steal attention by being outrageous.

Lady Gaga also is outrageous, but she doesn't have to be. She actually is a fine pianist and singer.

In my opinion, Lady Gaga is a far better representative for women, because she actually is a world-class talent.
 
 
+12 # leedeegirl 2012-02-07 17:42
Quoting
I understand the point, but can't our sisters find a better representative to articulate it? I think Madonna is bashed not so much because she irritates the male-dominated establishment, but rather because she has no talent as an entertainer. She is an embarrassingly bad actress; she has a weak, willowy voice; she hasn't danced an interesting step since she was with the Alvin Ailey Dance Troupe and I'm not sure she could even then; I've never heard her tell a joke worth laughing at; I've never heard her play a musical instrument, do acrobatics, or even juggle.

Her one talent, if one stretches the definition of talent, is to steal attention by being outrageous.

Lady Gaga also is outrageous, but she doesn't have to be. She actually is a fine pianist and singer.

In my opinion, Lady Gaga is a far better representative for women, because she actually is a world-class talent.


i gave you thumbs down .. i'd give you two, if i could ...

don't you EVER forget, that Madonna paved the way for the likes of Lady Gaga ... and Britney, and Christina, and Gwen Stefani , etc, etc, etc ...
 
 
+7 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-02-07 19:32
Actually, rhink2@netscape , you are wrong in saying Madonna "has no talent as an entertainer". She is very talented as a vocalist and actor, and more talented than Lady Gaga.
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2012-02-07 21:04
She's a very talented songwriter, has a lot more vocal technique than most people are aware, she's obviously a great dancer. I'm not sure, but doesn't she produce her albums as well?

The other singers often compared to her are just cookie-cutter immitations.

Kate Bush is another serious talent with about a million immitators.
 
 
+1 # Capn Canard 2012-02-08 18:48
Billy Bob, you seriously can't compare a talent like Kate Bush to a media hound like Madonna? Kate Bush is clever...while Madonna, a one trick pony, only had that sleezy girl schtick. Playing it up, perpetuating a twisted fantasy. I find it pretty damn easy to see a difference there.
 
 
+1 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-02-10 01:07
I disagree. Madonna is extremely talented as an actor, vocalist and subtle comedian in "Dick Tracey". No offence, but Lady Gaga is not in the same class as Madonna.
 
 
+34 # lcarrier 2012-02-07 15:46
She may not be perfect, but she's authentic. She gets better with age, and I love everything she does.
 
 
+16 # tarantilla 2012-02-07 15:46
To me, Madonna has always been great, a female Michael Jackson. Super Bowl half time was as good as the game, incredible dancing and choregraphy. I pay no attention to "the press" or their comments about her.
 
 
+31 # fredboy 2012-02-07 15:58
Madonna still shares remarkable strength and independence. You will never hear her whine. Bravo!
 
 
+13 # sandyboy 2012-02-07 16:07
If you found a male celeb's home staffed with hot women, would you love it too? Doubt it. People don't slate Madonna's films cos she's a woman, but because they're crud. She hasn't made a good movie since Desperately Seeking Susan. Nobody denounces female filmmakers like Phyllida Law or Kathryn Bigelow. We here in UK found her hilarious when she suddenly developed a fake Brit accent while wed to Guy Ritchie. I was probably the first Brit to interview her and liked her - but that was when she'd just released one single. Now she's just a bit too Nitzcheian.
 
 
+1 # Capn Canard 2012-02-08 18:57
sandyboy, couldn't agree more... I've never bought into that Madonna hype, she seems a bit over rated. And keep in mind many people believe that George W. Bush was elected fairly. So who can you gonna trust?
 
 
0 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-02-10 01:09
Madonna like Nietzche? How is that?
 
 
+8 # socrates2 2012-02-07 16:59
At the very least her do-your-own-thing, follow-your-star artistic attitude guarantees Madonna won't end up like Kafka's people-pleaser, Gregor Samsa/Ungeziefer, who tried to be all things for all people...

Bravo, Madonna!
 
 
+7 # nancyw 2012-02-07 16:59
Thank you for this wonderful piece that understands who Madonna is and why she continues to make her mark!!
 
 
+5 # epcraig 2012-02-07 17:09
I am not her fan.
I admire her when I notice her.
She does such a nice spectacle.
 
 
+1 # Fairly balanced 2012-02-07 17:14
I am neither anti-Madonna nor anti-women. I just found the halftime show to be passable entertainment with the electronics (i.e., the multi-IPad-like stage) the most dynamic part of the show. Unfortunately for Madonna, Lady Gaga is a younger, current version of Madonna who does Madonna's on-stage schtick well. Perhaps because of her 6 inch heels, Madonna appeared to move in slow motion (that's an exaggeration, but you get my point) during the halftime show and needed to rely on other entertainers (and plankwire specialist) to prop up her halftime program.
 
 
+10 # dandevries 2012-02-07 17:21
I admire her film work. The Super Bowl show was fairly ridiculous, but they generally are.
 
 
+11 # fishmother 2012-02-07 17:32
Ms. Wolf ~ I get your point & I absolutely agree that Madonna has been an innovator, ground breaker, out on a limber and so on, but you go on & on as if she invented everything from "bad girl," to "wild child," to the very idea of being a courageous, outrageous, over-the-top change making woman. She’s great, but the path was plowed by everyone from Anais Nin, to Gloria Steinem, to Bette Midler, to Janis Joplin, to Elizabeth Taylor to Gypsy Rose Lee to….I think you get the idea…and she’s trod the path well, has a ton of others following in her wake & a lot of talent to keep her keeping on. So Bravo Madonna! Thanks for a great half time!
 
 
+1 # Billy Bob 2012-02-07 21:10
Great comment!
 
 
+7 # Cappucino 2012-02-07 17:38
I remember the first time I ever heard of Madonna, in the eighties... I was barely a teenager, but I knew exactly how women were supposed to act (of course.) She immediately scared me. The way she was behaving was obviously wrong, bad, and awful; *I* would get into horrible trouble if I acted anything remotely resembling that way; it just couldn't be right... she was the first female pop star I had ever seen who exhibited that kind of behavior. Maybe the first one anyone had ever seen. And she's still doing it! You go, girl! :)
 
 
+5 # Billy Bob 2012-02-07 18:30
I think Madonna is a breathing work of art. She's not a musician or an actor, etc. She's a conceptual art work in progress. She reminds me of Andy Kaufman. Sometimes she's playing her critics and her audience. Like her or not, she's interesting - which is really saying something in the age of "reality tv".
 
 
+6 # great_pumpkin 2012-02-07 18:40
Great article. The salient point, whether you like her style, her music, her acting or not is that she is a great example of able being EXACTLY YOURSELF with no apology and no watering down or tiptoeing around other peoples egos. And THAT is what just what the doctor ordered for the beleaguered and devalued collective female psyche. Yeah!!!! ps. I don't care for her music or her razzle-dazzle shows either, but that's just a reflection of my preferences, not a judgment of her.
 
 
+15 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2012-02-07 18:44
Ohhh come onnnnn! This has nothing to do with Madonna being a female or being a male or being a hermaphrodite. Madonna doesn't personify the victimization of strong women, she personifies audacity trumping talent in entertainment just as sure as vehemence now trumps veracity in politics.

Madonna is a product of her own making, and she exploited her rather unexceptional "female product parts" to her brand's best advantage, not as a standard-bearer for her gender, but as a manipulator of the willingly manipulated media. Lady Ga Ga is doing the same thing, except she actually HAS talent, and she's turned Madonna's threadbare "look-at-me-I'm-evocative act" upside down and into an art form, itself.

Madonna's half-time show had little thematic cohesion, halting flow, and the most obvious thing of all was that the "production-trumps-concept" grandiosity served only to diminish even further the already tedious pop-shlock music that couldn't steal the moment's attention from a fresh batch of Supper Bowl Sunday chicken wings.

Naomi, we've seen her act, and we've seen her act, and we're tired of both.

Now, if they had wanted a female who actually HAS the moxy Madonna can only pretend to personify, they should have gotten PINK! That woman can bring the chops, the gravitas, the guts, the grrrl powah, and the rock-godess glory! Did I mention PINK was a FEMALE? As if that should be an issue.
 
 
+12 # doginsuds 2012-02-07 18:56
When Madonna exploded onto the scene in the 1980s, Truly Fine Music, as I had known it, was already down for the count: The Summer of Love was 20 years gone,the Zep had lost its Bonham, the Who had lost its Moon, Lynryd's plane had crashed, John Lennon had been shot- (and the story goes, a young Madonna even happened by at the time.) My resentment for her had very little to do with gender or sexuality. Didn't we have scores of female Rock performers of our own? Ann and Nancy Wilson, Crissy Hynde, Grace Slick? I for one dispised her song, "Material Girl"- that entire image: "Gee, I like money, too, (why has no one ever thought of this)- so what if the Revolution was lost- loser"
Anyway, the thing that kept me going was maybe following the Grateful Dead. Maybe holding on to the past, but I call this holding on to the Past, too. But in this case holding onto glorified Burlesque.
Madonna to us was- at worst, a traitor dancing on the ashes.
I only started to respect Madonna, (slightly), after I saw her movie "A league of Our Own", because she really did try to learn Baseball and brought that particular history to life..
 
 
+7 # Billy Bob 2012-02-07 21:19
Another great comment! We should just talk about music on these threads.

Despite what I've said about Madonna on here, she's a product of the "video" revolution. She couldn't have been famous before MTV. To me MTV killed music. To me, all the visuals I ever needed were in my head while I was sitting alone listening to "Dark Side of the Moon" or Yes' "Close to the Edge" inspired by album artwork. For me 1964-1979 was the era of decent Pop. For me, Madonna is working with another medium than the more serious musical artists you mentioned. Music is a facet of her medium, but it's not the whole thing.

And, if this article had been written by a man and was really about "sexuality", Ann and Nancy Wilson, Grace Slick and Crissy Hynde might have been the central focal points.
 
 
+3 # doginsuds 2012-02-08 07:43
Of course, never forget the great Nico either, chanteuse for the Velvet Underground. (Ah the 60's) So, with that said, there definitely was life, before Madonna. Just like there was life before Elvis- even an era called the 20's, when women did some really wild stuff. And yes, women didn't always act the way they were 'supposed to', then, either.
Maybe during the Conservative backlash of the Reagan era, or in some PNAC circles from '76 onward, I remember there might have been some strange Women in gauchos and upside down looking glasses acting, 'like they were supposed to', but I never went for that. Don't blame us for it.
 
 
+1 # Capn Canard 2012-02-08 19:07
Okay, here is two cents MOST popular music is crap. If it is popular it is very probably below average. Most of the truly good music goes largely unheard... watch the documentary "Color Me Obsessed" about the greatest band that no one ever heard of.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-02-07 19:50
Madonna is Madonna.

Nice article. People always criticize. I didn't want her as role model for my daughter but there were and are worse.

She has worked, made herself known if not liked. I admire her. After thoughts are wonderful. They decided they would do their own thing..good for them. But to cut the image in the Ice of Humanity and continue to be scorned and loved. That is an Actor's profession is it not? Bravo You have come a long way.
 
 
+8 # Rainphase 2012-02-07 20:07
Sorry, I see some contradictions here. Madonna is an "ego-less artist", yet she has to be seen as glamorous all the time and hides her everyday, banal activities, or any vulnerability? Some here have called Madonna authentic and unapologetic, but to me this preoccupation with image is the opposite. Also what does it say that Naomi has to obsess about what she wears to go interview her and worry about appear "uncool". From the POV of feminism, Madonna is a mixed bag of empowerment, maybe, from a certain perspective, but also superficiality.

I disagree also that "Madonna has not done the sorts of things that allow women of immense talent to get "permission" or "to be liked"." Madonna has marketed herself extremely well as a celebrity through most of her career and made millions doing it.
 
 
0 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-02-10 01:13
High Five for an intelligent comment.
 
 
+2 # barbaratodish 2012-02-07 20:13
Madonna has virtual "ballz"! Most women are unable to comprehend that Madonna can PERFORM for herself (like a man does) without the need for PERFORMING as an extension of/to a relationship. Most women, and more and more this includes metrosexuals, only EXIST to the degree they are in a DRAMA relationship with others. I am a female and I have been called Mr. Todish as a result of doing stand up comedy where I may make others uncomfortable because I dare to be free from politically correct expectations!
 
 
+1 # Billy Bob 2012-02-07 21:21
You do stand up? AMAZING. Not to put you on the spot, but do you have any youtube videos?
 
 
+1 # barbaratodish 2012-02-08 20:20
Quoting
You do stand up? AMAZING. Not to put you on the spot, but do you have any youtube videos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XegltDJLUHo
 
 
+4 # stonecutter 2012-02-07 20:25
Bravo to rhink2@netscape and Reductio!

Between the 2 of you, you've summed up Madonna. If she is anything other than a very rich middle-aged has-been who chooses to live in a narcissistic bubble of her own design, she was the triumph of flash over substance, hype and stamina over talent, media chops over performing chops.

Her dull mugging in the pathetic remake of "Swept Away", an original Italian gem that deserved much better, will stand the test of time as some of the worst, unintentionally sexless "acting" ever filmed. No amount of pretentious neo-feminist deconstruction by Naomi Wolf can give flight to the puffed up, grounded ostrich that is Madonna.

It's Gaga's depth of talent and current global superstardom that resulted in Madonna being viable for the Super Bowl, as a sort of reverse homage, and as a result we were treated to the most ponderous, boring production number since the opening ceremonies of the Atlanta Olympics; we didn't even have John Williams' rousing music to distract. I did enjoy her slo-mo cartwheels, though.
 
 
+5 # Mermaid19 2012-02-07 20:30
Madonna I just love her ability to be Madonna. My wish would be that stars like her, Lady Gaga and the two women with her on stage would be more anti war and work a bit more for Women and their right to chose for themselves.

Why do we make such a big deal over celebrities anyway. That young woman giving everyone in TV land the Finger, well may that is her way of expressing the anger she feels because of all the lies women are fed about themselves and there she is in all of her beauty, cannot beat that. A finger expressed on tv has not killed anyone, oh the children, well if you are so concerned about the children get rid of all the violence that is on night after night.

Hey there are better things to debate then Madonna. Ladies you may be able to tattoo yourself head to toe but you are slowly but surely losing some of your freedoms and perhaps one of those days if you are not careful there will be no more room for women Like Madonna to make it on the stage of life. Lots to think about.
 
 
+4 # MsAnnaNOLA 2012-02-07 20:42
Same old same old.

Why is there no word for the "other man". The other woman is a mistress which has a negative connotation. What is the other man? He is the woman's lover no negative connotation for the same behavior from a man.

Simply rediculous but business as usual.
 
 
+2 # lorenbliss 2012-02-07 20:53
Nothing I could possibly add to this thread save to thank Ms. Wolf for the best most provocatively thoughtful Madonna commentary I've yet read.
 
 
+8 # geov 2012-02-07 21:44
I admire Madonna's ability to market herself. That is her "art." And I get that a lot of people find her inspiring, which is surely worth something. She popularized a genre of dance-pop that now utterly dominates pop radio.

But Madonna as "authentic"? The woman who treats reinventing herself as though it were a product launch? (It is.) Madonna as an artist? Honestly, when was the last time, if ever, a Madonna song had even modestly interesting lyrics or music?

It's about one thing: making money. But to note that Madonna is a triumph of celebrity marketing over substance has nothing to do with her gender. Plenty of men are just as vapid (can anyone explain the enduring popularity of Bon Jovi?), and plenty of women are true artists and pioneers. They don't get the hate Madonna does for a simple reason: they have something more interesting to say than "look at me."
 
 
0 # RLF 2012-02-08 05:09
Agreed! Good product...bad music! boring dinosaur...what a wasted article...nice gooing RSN,
 
 
-3 # Robt Eagle 2012-02-08 00:56
Not even worth any comment.
 
 
-4 # Mirkka 2012-02-08 01:13
Madonna is shit, zero, not pretty and not masculine. No voice, no looks, no style, but a lot of know how in manipulating, pressing and other mafia-arts. I don't like her at all, have never liked. My view for masculine is totally different.
 
 
+2 # Mirkka 2012-02-08 01:44
I don't respect Madonna at all or the thought that women should be like men and get respect that way. In my childhood girls were just like boys but in every thing a bit worse, not so good. I lived in Finland. In our neibourhgland, Russia, then Soviet Union, is one good cultural thing. Women are treated well, they think it is lovely to be women, most of them want to be as feminine as they can, and they think that men can't be like women, so women are unigue being women and men are unigue, too. I hate Stalin and slavery and many things in Russian history but the idea of unique femininity what men don't reach is wonderfull. I am naturally feminine woman and suffered from demands for being like masculines (but a slighty worse). I love my feminine myself.
 
 
+2 # Oracorf 2012-02-08 02:20
Go for it, Ms. M!
 
 
+3 # Glen 2012-02-08 04:45
The number of responses to the article proves the point of the article.
 
 
+2 # Glen 2012-02-08 08:14
Meaning, Madonna can garner an enormous amount of attention, even today. It is a love/hate game the public plays.

P.S I have always liked Madonna and really liked her part in A League of Our Own.
 
 
-2 # 2wmcg2 2012-02-08 07:48
Why the feminist spin? I thought Madonna's performance at the Superbowl was a masterpiece. Others may disagree. Male or female, we are each entitled to our opinion of art.
 
 
0 # sjc 2012-02-08 08:28
This reminds me of Barbara Streisand
who was always "panned" and never given
credit. She is similar in receiving bad press to Madonna. I do not think Madonna is a tremendous singing talent, but she is a great saleswoman and for that I give her credit. The idiot English singer with the "finger" will be famous for that only. As she should be.
Thanks for a great article. My son heard you speak at Kenyon College some years ago and always respected and liked you.
 
 
-1 # cynnibunny 2012-02-08 14:53
Ms. Wolf is again spot on! We are in an age where the corporate 'commentariat' (great word) have anointed the Katy Perry's and Angelina Jolie's all because of the same reasons Madonna got famous way back when. They can be smart; they can be daring; they can be anti-cultural. But they must also fit into the 'package'.

The fact that Madonna has big-idea talent simply doesn't fit in with the powers-that-be. 'We' (as if they speak for me?) want our women as important and intelligent and darling 'beauties' so that 'men' (representing society as a whole) do not have to take these sensationalist ideas seriously.
 

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