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Filipovic writes: "It's no accident GOP candidates can't stop talking about rape: the party view is women are mere vessels subject to men's will."

Missouri Senate Candidate Todd Akin. (photo: St. Louis Post-Dispatch)
Missouri Senate Candidate Todd Akin. (photo: St. Louis Post-Dispatch)


The Real Republican Rape Platform

By Jill Filipovic, Guardian UK

25 October 12

 

It's no accident GOP candidates can't stop talking about rape: the party view is women are mere vessels subject to men's will

ear GOP candidates and party members,

I'm going to give you some free campaign advice: stop talking about rape.

The latest Republican rape commentary comes from Romney-endorsed Indiana senatorial candidate Richard Mourdock, who tells us:

"I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."

Cue outrage, then cue "apology" from Mourdock – not for his comments, but for "any interpretation other than what I intended". National Republican senatorial committee chairman John Cornyn voiced his support for Mourdock and added that he also believes "life is a gift from God."

I would hate for Mr Mourdock to think I'm misinterpreting him here, so let's be clear about what he said: he did not say that rape is a gift from God. He did say that an unwanted pregnancy is a post-rape goodie bag from the Lord. And that the Lord intended it to happen that way.

Perhaps God should rethink his delivery system. And perhaps Mourdock should rethink his interpretation of divine will.

What this umpteenth rape comment tells us isn't that the Republican party has a handful of unhinged members who sometimes flub their talking points. It reveals the real agendas and beliefs of the GOP as a whole.

These incidents aren't isolated, and they aren't rare. Sharron Angle, who ran for a US Senate seat out of Nevada, said she would tell a young girl wanting an abortion after being raped and impregnated by her father that "two wrongs don't make a right" and that she should make a "lemon situation into lemonade". Todd Akin said victims of "legitimate rape" don't get pregnant – an especially confusing talking point, if God is giving rape victims the gift of pregnancy. Maybe God only gives that gift to victims of illegitimate rape?

Wisconsin state representative Roger Rivard asserted:

"Some girls rape easy."

Douglas Henry, a Tennessee state senator, told his colleagues:

"Rape, ladies and gentlemen, is not today what rape was. Rape, when I was learning these things, was the violation of a chaste woman, against her will, by some party not her spouse."

Republican activist Phyllis Schlafly declared that marital rape doesn't exist, because when you get married you sign up to be sexually available to your husband at all times. And when asked a few years back about what kind of rape victim should be allowed to have an abortion, South Dakota Republican Bill Napoli answered:

"A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life."

Rape lemonade. Legitimate rape. The sodomized virgin exception. A rape gift from God.

Some Republicans, like Mitt Romney, have tried to distance themselves from their party's rhetorical obsession with sexual violation. What they're hoping we won't notice is the fact that their party is politically committed to sexual violation.

Opposition to abortion in all cases – rape, incest, even to save the pregnant woman's life or health – is written into the Republican party platform. Realizing they can't make abortion illegal overnight, conservatives instead rally around smaller initiatives like mandatory waiting periods, transvaginal ultrasounds and mandated lectures about "life" to make abortion as expensive, difficult and humiliating as possible.

Republicans bow to the demands of "pro-life" organizations, not a single one of which supports even birth control, and the GOP now routinely opposes any effort to make birth control or sexual education available and accessible. They propose laws that would require women to tell their employers what they're using birth control for, so that employers could determine which women don't deserve coverage (the slutty ones who use birth control to avoid unwanted pregnancy) and which women do (the OK ones who use it for other medical reasons).

Mainstream GOP leaders, including Mitt Romney, campaign with conservative activists who lament the fact that women today no longer fully submit to the authority of their husbands and fathers, mourn a better time when you could legally beat your wife, and celebrate the laws of places like Saudi Arabia where men are properly in charge. Senate Republicans, including Republican vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan and "legitimate rape" Todd Akin, blocked the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act. And Ryan and Akin joined forces again to propose "personhood" legislation in Washington, DC that would define a fertilized egg as a person from the moment sperm meets egg, outlawing abortion in all cases and many forms of contraception, and raising some serious questions about how, exactly, such a law would be enforced.

Underlying the Republican rape comments and actual Republican political goals are a few fundamental convictions: first, women are vessels for childbearing and care-taking; second, women cannot be trusted; and third, women are the property of men.

Mourdock's statement that conceiving from rape is a gift positions women as receptacles, not as autonomous human beings. This view of women as vessels – vessels for sex with their husbands, vessels for carrying a pregnancy, vessels for God's plan – is a necessary component of the kind of extreme anti-abortion legislation most Republican politicians support.

So is the idea that women are both fundamentally unintelligent and dishonest. Akin's "legitimate rape" comment and Rivard's contention that "some girls rape easy" rely on the idea that women routinely lie about rape and shouldn't be believed; blocking VAWA relied partly on similar logic put forward by men's rights activists, that women lie about being abused in order to secure citizenship and other benefits. Hostility to abortion rights similarly positions rightwing lawmakers as the best people to determine whether or not any particular woman should be legally compelled to carry a pregnancy to term.

Women, they seem to think, don't know their own bodies or their own lives, and cannot be trusted to determine for themselves whether continuing a pregnancy is a good idea.

Rape treats women as vessels, disregarding our autonomy and our right to control what happens to us physically and sexually. The Republican position is that women are not entitled to make fundamental decisions about our own bodies and our own sexual and reproductive health. When that position is written into the GOP platform and is a legislative priority, can we really be surprised when it's further reflected in Republican legislators' comments on rape?

These aren't a few errant remarks from insensitive politicians. They're at the heart of the Republican party's agenda.


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+136 # Feral Dogz 2012-10-25 10:54
The GOP denies evolution, mostly because it's members have failed to evolve, mentally, physically, morally or culturally, and have no conception of life beyond the law of the jungle. These dinosaurs can't disappear from the planet soon enough.
 
 
+32 # popeye47 2012-10-25 17:31
There are plenty more dinosaurs where those came from.
Especially old angry white men, that want to establish their dominance over the females.
Any females having a picture taken with these 2 guys, is lacking in the IQ department,
 
 
+8 # NanFan 2012-10-27 14:32
Quoting Feral Dogz:
The GOP denies evolution, mostly because it's members have failed to evolve, mentally, physically, morally or culturally, and have no conception of life beyond the law of the jungle. These dinosaurs can't disappear from the planet soon enough.


Unfortunately, the dinosaurs still exist in a great number of the general population who will vote Republican, either BECAUSE of this idiocy or simply because they will vote Republican.

I am sickened at what is being done to women in America at the hands of lunatic men with power.

I will leave -- again -- if Romney/Ryan is elected. I cannot live in a country who believes that 51% of its population -- the women who gave then life -- are mere chattel. That is NO democracy!

Sickening.

N.
 
 
+124 # Regina 2012-10-25 11:17
The rapist mentality that now infests Republicans must be cut off at their genitals. They do have genitals -- what they lack is brains. Their rape is political rather than biological, but it is no less deadly for women. It will take a huge, hell-no vote by women over the entire spectrum of political opinion, but we must eradicate this scourge from our legislatures, state as well as Congress.
 
 
+105 # AndreM5 2012-10-25 11:22
That photo is fantastic! How can Akin pose in front of that sign and not realize it is addressing him specifically?!?!

Oh yeah: STUPID!

So now rape is "god's will" (I use the lower case 'g' because I don't want to be irreverant in this idiotic reference). And pregnancy only occurs in "illegitimate rape."

So I wonder what these dunderheads have to say about murder, or war or 9/11 for that matter? More god's will? Whose god?

Whatever happended to "God" providing man with "free will" to screw up on his own?

I really can't stand any more of this crap.
 
 
+59 # in deo veritas 2012-10-25 13:10
Collectively these amoral degenerates are the Antichrist. Everything they spout is not only indecent but is against everything Christ gave His life to teach us. Daily they show that their antiwomen attitude is consistent with that of the radical Muslims they condemn.Those who agree with and support their medieval agenda are willing accomplices. They and their ilk have been raping this country for generations in one way or another. This November may be our last legal opportunity to rid ourselves of their influence.
 
 
+23 # Texas Aggie 2012-10-25 15:47
I was wondering about that, too. Was it photoshopped? I can't believe that even a knucklehead like Akin would be so obtuse that he wouldn't see the significance. In any case it is a classic and needs to go into some Hall of Fame.
 
 
+98 # DaveM 2012-10-25 11:25
This is only one issue among many in the more extreme corner of a political party which appears to be completely divorced from reality. I am astonished at how many of the upcoming elections are polling at virtual ties. Is this truly how nearly 50% of the electorate thinks?

Surely America can do better.
 
 
+64 # MEBrowning 2012-10-25 11:39
If the media acted responsibly, and people were actually informed instead of titillated, the numbers would be very different.
 
 
+19 # Celeste 2012-10-25 12:52
There is also the questions of honesty, integrity and accountability. In an era where the NDAA and the President's assassination list make established law passe, what is to say that polls do anything other than reinforce the illusion that voters have a choice, and that this is a close contest. A billion dollars (or more) in campaign costs buys a lot of influence. How it's used is on a par with States' Secrets.

I trust NONE of this expensive charade! Not when a Supreme Court is allowed to make the call for voters, not when thousands of names are feloniously eliminated without any penalties extended to those who executed this travesty, and not when touch stone screens record what their computer soft-ware owners program.

U.S. Presidential elections have become the greatest show of hubris, deception, and burlesque of any known to humanity.
 
 
+64 # BobboMax 2012-10-25 11:59
"Is this truly how nearly 50% of the electorate thinks? Surely America can do better."
Well said, but you have to remember this the country that almost elected Dubya president twice. This may indeed be the best we can do. We need to re-think our educational policies.
 
 
+27 # Celeste 2012-10-25 12:57
Actually, if 30% of adults/voters stay home, added to the population that is under 18... you MIGHT be talking abut 20-25% of citizens. A lot of them have a problem with the rising tide of woman-power, Hispanics, Blacks and anyone who isn't an angry White Guy... the demographic that loyal listeners of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Bill O'Reilly and the rest of the Hate Fest Manifest crew follows.

Sharing power is the issue, and those who have considered it their birth right see the pie split into endlessly narrower pieces. Rather than identify with the full citizenry, they ape their way towards the last of the disseminated crumbs.
 
 
+8 # Reyn 2012-10-26 08:57
More than thirty percent stay home.

Factually 35% of eligible voters are not registered to vote IN THE BEST YEARS, LIKE 2008. ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/page-gardner/the-real-crisis-35--of-am_b_1615318.html ) Among those who ARE registered, the highest voter turn out we've seen in generations was for the 08 election, when 56.8% of the eligible population voted. ( http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html ).

In 2010, a much lower turnout year, 37.8% voted (ibid)

So, in an AVERAGE election year, the decision is made by between 18 and 20% of thie total eligible voters, with a dissent of between 16 and 19%.

Think about it. This of course is why Democrats do better in high turn out elections, and why the GOP will do anything to suppress voters.

Regards.
 
 
+45 # DLT888 2012-10-25 12:21
Don't believe the polls. The media is LYING to us because they are run by the Repukicans. I don't believe any poll is honest that is reported by the MSM. They can report whatever they like with no proof. These FALSE polls are preparing us for another stolen election so that we all think the populace is that stupid and voted for them. The populace is wising up -- but the polls do not want to show that so they are LYING when they give these high percentages to these morons.
 
 
+9 # Celeste 2012-10-25 12:58
Hey DLT... I posted before checking others'comments . I see we were reacting to more or less the same thing.
 
 
+24 # pernsey 2012-10-25 13:38
Quoting DLT888:
Don't believe the polls. The media is LYING to us because they are run by the Repukicans. I don't believe any poll is honest that is reported by the MSM. They can report whatever they like with no proof. These FALSE polls are preparing us for another stolen election so that we all think the populace is that stupid and voted for them. The populace is wising up -- but the polls do not want to show that so they are LYING when they give these high percentages to these morons.


I think that the polls are trying to make it look closer then it is too. I know that most of my republican friends cant stand Mitt Romney and will be sitting this election out. So I dont know where these voters are? Except in the minds of Fox news and some hacker at the voting machines?
 
 
+2 # jJLLA 2012-10-27 13:55
"Repukicans"... I LOVE it!
 
 
+41 # herman_the_german 2012-10-25 11:30
Mourdock's comments regarding rape are, to me, a clear denial of the concept of free will: If pregnancy via rape is God's will, then it follows that the responsibility of the individual all but disappears.

That sequence of ideas is a difficult one to marry to the philosophy of 'Rugged Individualism' other Republicans and Ayn Rand Objectivist readers like so much.

But I guess that when you need votes you end up with strange, contradictory, bedfellows.
 
 
+29 # in deo veritas 2012-10-25 13:16
There is no relationship between rugged individualism and either inheriting it or stealing it from others. The philosophy was used by Hoover to justify his administration doing nothing to help the victims of the Depression that was brought on by the Republican chicanery or the 1920's. Taxes for the upper class were cut 2/3 by Sec of treasury Andrew Mellon the poster boy for banksters. Guess who was expected to pay their share? Same people (us) who willbe expected to pick up the slack if these weasals are not ousted from office.
 
 
+9 # seniorcitizen 2012-10-25 22:22
Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.
 
 
-124 # Martintfre 2012-10-25 11:33
fear mongering this is what the liberals are reduced to because they have no issues of actual substance.

By the way.
Tell the Fluke girl that blocking the government from picking my pockets so she can get free condoms does not stop her from spending her own money to support her own choices.
 
 
+55 # CAMUS1111 2012-10-25 12:40
"actual substance"--wha t you lack between your ears.
 
 
+36 # in deo veritas 2012-10-25 13:17
Spoken like a true Kochparrot!
 
 
+34 # David Starr 2012-10-25 13:18
@Martintfre: Why have liberals no issues of actual substance...thu s the fearmongering? If you were to get sodomized, would it be God's will? If there are protests against it, would that be liberal fear-mongering? Or would it be a government conspiracy, since your paranoia lurches you into "thinking" that "gubberment" is TOTALLY out to get you; even having you shot for buying the "wrong" porduct at a store? Fear mongering? That's a part of your M.O., and without actual substance. ("Thanks" again for the "target practice.")
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:07
David Starr: Actually the government may be out to get @martinfre. If it isn't, it should. Where are those government funded insane asylums when you need them?
 
 
+16 # pegasus4508 2012-10-25 16:16
Thanks Conservatroll
 
 
+9 # rockieball 2012-10-26 09:22
So you are in favor of rape? That's the impression I see here. Or are you just against rape if someone uses a condom while violating a woman's body? That is also what I see here. Give the sanctimonious right-wing and the pious GOP half a chance they would add rape and pillage to military recruitment ads.
 
 
+8 # Feral Dogz 2012-10-26 13:24
Martinfre, where have you been? I was afraid you had died or something. I hope you've been out there creating jobs (minimum wage, of course) and giving people hope with your message of peace (at any cost) and prosperity (for the already prosperous). The "actual substance" of your comments is always amusing if not actually substantial.
 
 
+4 # jJLLA 2012-10-27 14:00
Martinfre, please answer this for me. Obviously you are "conservative". You disagree with abortion; think rape can be a "present from god"; and by your off handed (and unrelated to our conversation) comment about Sandra Fluke, apparently you aren't a fan of birth control either. Will you be willing to pay for educating all those unwanted kids your party is determined to see born? You surely don't act like you want to spend any money on them - so what are they to do once they are here? Starve? Languish in ignorance?
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:02
Any fear mongering liberals might do, assuming that they do it at all, they must have learned from right leaning wing nuts who specialize in the genre.

Let's see Obama is a muslim. Obama apologizes for the U.S. Oh yeah, Democrats are soft--scuze me--must of been pre-taking out Bin Laden,

While we are talking about crotches meds, let's talk about no federal funding for Viagra by Medicare, Medicaid, VA or paying for it through employer supported insurance without the male having his member probed, having to explain to his boss that it isn't for pleasre but is medically necessary.

Grow up! You are the lunatic fringe that is destroying the country. Get some issues that don't involve the lady garden.
 
 
+63 # LeeBlack 2012-10-25 11:35
It's a marriage 'made in heaven' - Republicans and Mormons believe a woman's place is taking care of her husband and children. Romney is certainly a believer of Mormon tenets.

Yes, life is precious. So precious that we may overflow the planet. These religious people should be pushing contraception as a method of lessening the damage we are doing. They should be more concerned about children already here, e.g. education.

I'm not advocating abortion, abortion is something that should be used with careful consideration, but each woman can make that decision - she knows the consequences.
 
 
+27 # in deo veritas 2012-10-25 13:20
The Repukes have shown that their only interest in those who are being born is to have an endless supply of slave labor and cannon fodder;. There is nothing religious about those who attempt to make God an accomplice to their nefarious schemes or tell us that they are "just following orders". Orders from whom? God? If we don't bring them to justice, HE will.
 
 
+71 # MEBrowning 2012-10-25 11:37
Any woman who votes Republican in this election year is an ignorant fool. Any man who votes Republican is either a fool, a cynical bastard, or both. By affirming such a dangerous, cruel, regressive platform as the Republican Party has put forth, they cannot be otherwise.
 
 
+29 # in deo veritas 2012-10-25 13:22
AMEN! Most women have worked very hard to better themselves and gain respect. Any who would vote for the Repukes deserve no respect. They have simply sold their souls and have been stupid enough to realize that our souls are all we really can call our own. Thank God there are still some of us who don't have a price.
 
 
+54 # karlarove 2012-10-25 12:04
In the comment section on another article someone called the Republican Party the "Pro Rape Party”, finally someone calling them for what they are. It's quite evident there are repressed sexual issues here - Bill Napoli is giving us a glimpse into his private sexual fantasies- the details give it away. The comments also reveal the truth about why this is called a "War on Women". These men clearly do not respect women, nor see them as a human being like themselves. The darling of Western theology St. Augustine, who I believe is the genesis of all this misogyny -“What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must be aware of in any woman….I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children.” He also framed the concepts of "original Sin" and "Just War" Augustine's view of sexual feelings as sinful impacted his view of women. His beliefs on this issue were so extreme that he considered a man’s erection to be sinful because it did not take place under his conscious control. His solution was to place controls on women to limit their ability to influence men: “Thus the woman, but not the man, should veil herself to prevent her from causing this sinful response in the male.”[131]- Wikipedia The early republican platform.
 
 
+36 # Celeste 2012-10-25 13:04
Thank you. This is the seminal issue... the demonization and denigration of women (and healthy sexuality) that has been taught through fundamentalist sects of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam is a crime against humanity, at least the female half of it. It's amazing how cavalierly some men regard this issue. They have no empathy for the full scale violation of one's utter being that takes place through rape.

And Phyllis Shafly may one day learn this truth firsthand... I abhor women who reinforce creeds that further diminish women for their immediate personal gain. She is repugnant on all scales.
 
 
+1 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:17
Schaflly of the Howdy Doodie marionette-,fro zen smile, is a full on feminist who specializes in ideology she doesn't practice. What kind of mother bullies her son for being gay? Under the religious justification rationale, wasn't her son's status also intended by God and therefore his gift to her?
 
 
+22 # in deo veritas 2012-10-25 13:27
Sounds just like the Muslim world doesn't it? How long are we going to follow anachronisms preached in medieval times. The world has changed and those who won't change with it are anachronisms themselves who will go the way of the dinosaurs.
 
 
+5 # AndreM5 2012-10-26 09:25
NO! Denegration of women IS NOT a Muslim characteristic any more than Murdock speaks for all "Christians." Shame on you.
 
 
+1 # jJLLA 2012-10-27 14:08
Andre, I had an extensive Christian education and for years felt as you do. But now these chuckelheads aren't just spewing this tripe in the privavcy of their extreme churches, but in state houses, in congress and in the senate. They are determined to make these bronze age rules the law of the land. Few christians I know speak up about them; in fact many giggle, saying "oh...he really didn't MEAN that". And they plan to VOTE for these jerks despite what they are saying. They are complicit in this situation.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:19
As said by a male. You wear a body bag and then speak.

Shame on those who deny distaff humanity. All three major religions do it.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:18
The GOP is the American taliban where women are concerned. Muslim fundamentalists are fighting our fundamentalists and we are caught in the cross fire.
 
 
+27 # in deo veritas 2012-10-25 13:34
If these vermin like Akin and Murdock were put where they belong-behind bars- they could learn all there is to know about rape. Maybe they would even rub elbows with Jerry Sandusky. In this day and age Augustine would never be regarded as a saint. Why people cling to medieval and uncivilized philosophies has a simple explanation-the y are too lazy or stupid to think for themselves and make rational decisions.
 
 
+1 # jJLLA 2012-10-27 14:09
Yhey aer all too old for Sandusky's taste.
 
 
+12 # readerz 2012-10-25 14:38
Augustine is not considered a Saint only Venerable, by eastern Christians, because many of his radical ideas reflect what he was before he became a Christian: these are dualist, Manichean, gnostic, reductions of religion (i.e., heresies, not the writings of a Saint). Another one of his ideas, radical predestination, is favored by Republicans, because it says that people who are rich are favored by God, who "predestines" some to be good (and have a good life) and some to be evil (and have an evil life). He invented original guilt: that the guilt of Adam could be transferred. The tendency to have deficiencies is human, but Pope St. Leo wrote an Easter Hymn which begins, "O Happy Fault," because without that fault there would be no Resurrection.

Historically, the reason that Augustine got away with his heresies was that he was a favorite of the Bishops that wanted only their powerful city-centered dioceses. Those who had inherited a monastic tradition were seen as challenging the authority of those rich Bishops. However, when Rome (the empire) fell, it was those monks that brought back literacy and brought back Christianity. But the teachings of Augustine became convenient in later centuries for those who wanted power, and people such as Calvin spread those ideas.

For more on the down side of Augustine: read a life of John Cassian, a monk that spread monasticism into France in the early 5th century. This is a very old argument.
 
 
+6 # readerz 2012-10-25 15:09
You can vote against me, that's OK, but does that mean that you love Augustine? To me he is a monster that destroyed a message of peace.
 
 
+15 # Regina 2012-10-25 15:14
That argument has not improved with age. And all these centuries since his drivel should have taught us better -- oh, wait, it has. It's only a clique of dimwit retro Republicans that's trying to run the calendar backwards for women through a couple of millennia. Get them out of office, and keep them out.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:22
Great turn of phrase: "run the calendar backwards for women."
 
 
+1 # karlarove 2012-10-25 17:57
According to the Catholic Church he is a Saint, he was baptized and converted from his wicked ways. http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=418
 
 
+46 # jmac9 2012-10-25 12:11
Republicans destroyed America.
You saw the result of 8 years of Bush-Cheney Republican agenda.

Romney- lying Ryan - are no different, they're agenda is no different - so the outcome will be the same.
How dumb can Republican voters be? Here's the Republican-tea bags putting out fears of guns, religious extremism, and women bashing to stir up the rightwing nut base - and at the same time the results of Republican-tea bag agenda --- steals the money right out the of the pockets of the Republican voters.
 
 
+12 # chuckw38 2012-10-25 12:12
What else can we expect from these GOP LYING-LIARS???!!???
This is what they do... very little else.... except perhaps eat their poop pellets voraciously gulping them down
with whipped cream.....
 
 
-63 # Mannstein 2012-10-25 12:32
The Democrats are as much to blame as the Republicans. There are Democrats pushing for late term abortions which is clearly murder. Others who push abortion as a form of birth control. If they are really so worried about protecting women they should consider the psychological damage abortion does to child bearing mothers.
 
 
+17 # Glen 2012-10-25 12:51
Nothing is this simple, Mannstein. Young women especially might suffer emotionally after having an abortion, but if she has never had a child, and if folks around her don't keep up with the guilt and constant discussion, she will recover rapidly. Having to raise a child on her own and struggle with all manner of issues can be 100 times worse, especially if that child gets little guidance due to the mother having to work all the time.

Very few people have ever pushed abortion as a form of birth control - at this point birth control can be acquired much more easily than an abortion. Late term abortion is also not popular, Mannstein, but can be very necessary. If states make it a law that a woman cannot have a late abortion and must carry a dead child to term, the mother's life is very much in danger.
 
 
-17 # Mannstein 2012-10-25 16:37
Quoting Glen:
Young women especially might suffer emotionally after having an abortion, but if she has never had a child, and if folks around her don't keep up with the guilt and constant discussion, she will recover rapidly.


Please provide a reference for your statement.
 
 
+10 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 19:56
You're the one with the claims about "abortion as birth control".

YOU provide a link first.
 
 
+18 # David Starr 2012-10-25 13:41
@Mannstein: What if abortion were illegal? Do you think that'll stop the reuse of the coat hanger? Before Roe v Wade, there were still situations where, for one reason or another, abortion was sought. They'll be sought today and they'll still be sought. That is a simple reality. With that then, would you prefer a coat hanger abortion, or a situation where there's hygenic means to proceed? Also, if a "pro-lifer" supports life, but support wars, with the inevitable suffering and deaths, the obvious hypocrisy would not only be evident, but the result of comparing a hygenic procedure with a bloody, vast taking of life. Meanwhile, GOP inquisitors want to make women out as second class, and not able to decide for themselves, or with their partners, something where realities, perhaps out of their control, have to be considered. What's next, chastity belts?
 
 
-27 # Mannstein 2012-10-25 16:30
I don't support unrestricted abortion as do the majority of the Democrats nor do I support eternal wars for eternal peace as do the majority of Republicans. I do believe in self defense.

The Bill that was defeated by the Congress which would have made late term abortions the law of the land clearly stated if the HEALTH of the mother is danger. Not if the LIFE of the mother is in danger. Fortunately the Bill was stopped in its tracks.

Do you not find it tragic that in this age of plenty with its high tech medical technology the most dangreous time and place for an infant is during the first nine months in the womb of its expectant mother? Might the lack of a social safety net that we are all fighting for have anything to do with that? Interestingly, the percentage of abortions per capita in Sweden is lower than in the US, the land of plenty.

Your fears of chastity belts becoming the norm are unfounded. What is in our future though is bumping off the next most vulnerable group in our society, namely the aged and the handicapped. Ryan's plan for health care will see to that as will the left wing nuts that have a ballot question in our state for physician assisted suicide.

The Russian Jewess Ayan Rand would be proud of where the US is headed were she alive today.
 
 
+13 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 20:01
Sweden has a MUCH higher standard of living than the U.S. It also has state funded college education.

If a zygote is a baby, how can killing it be "self-defense" under any circumstances? If your ideas are "morality" based, they're completely inconsistent with any moral framework. If they're scientifically based, they're completely inconsistent with science.

Also, who's this "we" who are "all" fighting for the social safety net? The people who want to make abortion illegal are simultaneously fighting hard to strip away any last vestiges of the social safety net. Your comment there is inconsistent with reality.
 
 
-7 # Mannstein 2012-10-26 14:40
You haven't read my comment. I believe in self denense in so far as war is concerned.

If a baby in the birth cannal is a Zygote then you you are scientifically inconsistent with reality as you would have it.
 
 
+1 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:35
what baby? a fertilized egg is not a baby no matter how hard you argue that it is.

If we succumb to your argument why not make male masturbation a crime since that frequent practive wastes genetic material necessary to fertilize an egg.
 
 
+3 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 20:08
Please correct this sentence:

"The Bill that was defeated by the Congress which would have made late term abortions the law of the land clearly stated if the HEALTH of the mother is danger."

While you're at it, you're not naming the bill specifically. Therefore, "bill" is not capitalized.

See what happens when we start correcting others about grammar and spelling rather than just discussing the substance of the argument?
 
 
+1 # David Starr 2012-10-26 12:33
@Mannstein: While I favor Roe v Wade, a woman or a couple who are looking into it should decide early on. At that point, there's no human period. Besides, realties can occur where a child is born but had a hellish upbringing because there wasn't a planned pregnancy. The result could, or has been, e.g., a Charles Manson or a serial bully (I mention the latter since some victims have commtted suicide. Thus, looks like this can be a potential threat to life, based on not respecting another's reason to live.) Obviously, rape fits in that category. Never mind "legitimate rape" and "God's will," since this is like taking us back to the ignorance and fanaticism of Medieval times.

I'd rather support a "safety net" for unfortunates than one where the few make a fortune, thus, not needing a "net."

Chastity belts? That was just sarcacism.

Ayan Rand is basically a "poster child" of the right. However, most Dems share the same ideology as Repubs, but with diffent tactics.
 
 
-1 # Mannstein 2012-10-27 19:02
One reason I have problems with both parties.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:37
At least we agree about one point. However, what amazes me is that in this difficult time why do imperfect humans spent so much time trying to correct the behavior of others instead of working on themselves?
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:32
Dip stick, where is your evidence that a majority of Democrats support unrestricted abortion? Identify the majority by numbers, locale, age and gender. Provide your stats to support your claim favoring unrestricted abortion.

You can't because that is not and has never been what is supported by those who refuse to judge others.
 
 
+17 # Doll 2012-10-25 15:29
Mannstein, you have obviously never read Roe v Wade.

If you had, you would have known that it prohibits 3rd trimester abortions except when in endangers the life and health of the woman. It is also used when the baby, who is very much wanted, will live a brief and brutal life because of serious birth defects.

If you seriously wanted to protect the unborn, you would oppose wars. 45% of Falluga women are miscarrying because of all the shit we bombed them with. And many of the remaining babies are seriously malformed - often not viable.
 
 
-4 # Mannstein 2012-10-27 18:55
@ Doll

I have indeed read Roe v Wade.

The court ruled that after life begins the fetus has the same rights under our constitution as the rest of us. What the court couls not agree on when life actually begins so that Roe V Wade became the law of the land.

Some left wing nuts and feminists want us to believe life does not start after the child lives the birth canal, hence they are pushing for late term abortion as being a basic human right, the life of the infant be damned.
 
 
-3 # Mannstein 2012-10-27 19:00
@ Doll

I also oppose war as you can see from my responses in this blog. One reason I have a problem with Republicans although I have been called such by some commentators here.
 
 
+10 # karlarove 2012-10-25 21:24
If this issue concerns you, here is a reality check - I do not consider having an abortion as psychologically damaging. I find people with your opinion regarding what I can or can not do with my body far more invasive and demeaning. It is frightening and sickening that you think you should decide what is best for me.
 
 
+1 # rockieball 2012-10-26 09:28
I love the pushing abortion as a form of birth control. Sound as if a woman can just go get aborted at will and as often as possible. The odd of a woman getting pregnant after one abortion drop if she has two the odds are almost nil.
Also so it's murder if still in the womb, but not murder when after the birth the child is left in a dumpster, or dies of illness because of no universal healthcare, or starves because the mother is unable to support the child. Then it's the mother fault for getting pregnant, for not using proper BIRTH CONTROL. Rather hypocritical wouldn't you say?
 
 
+4 # AndreM5 2012-10-26 09:28
Factless claims. Name one elected Dem who "pushes abortion as a form of birth control" or "late term abortions." You can't because it is just your fantasy.

Most Dems DO PUSH for sex education and contraceptives as an effective means to reduce unwanted pregnancies.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:27
Dip stick, no one "pushes for abortion" like "Hey damn you, have an abortion" or "now get your lazy butt over there and have an abortion." The issue is "choice" to make the determination. Guess you didn't get a free public education, huh?

What I love about wing nuts is their talent for mischaracteriza tion of everything.
 
 
+21 # bikewriter 2012-10-25 12:50
The hypocritical Republicans platform position is that life begins at conception and ends at birth, because once the kid is born to some poor single, rape-victim mother, they could care less what happens to it. Chances are they won't have anything to do it with since it will likely become, in their eyes, a Taker! IF they are going to insist that these kids be born (which is beyond outrageous) then they should at least offer to take care of them.
 
 
+15 # Regina 2012-10-25 15:23
The real evil in their self-anointed self-righteousn ess is the fact that contraception would eliminate the need for most abortions, certainly the ones that would be needed after rape. So what do they do? They label birth control as abortion, just to keep their political noise machine running. Their misogyny is exceeded only by their ignorance. And they have the gall to blame God!!!






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+10 # Citizen Mike 2012-10-25 12:57
Spokesmen like this are driving great numbers of Americans away from all religion. There is a distinct trend for people to answer "none" when queried about religion or church membership. What a pity.

Though theology may or not be entirely composed of BS, the organized religions have served a useful social purpose as a conduit for the philosophy of morals and ethics. I am sorry to see this worthy function rotting away.
 
 
+10 # Curiouser 2012-10-25 12:58
Question: Who are the women who vote these unbelievable jerks into office? Maybe they're the problem.
 
 
+9 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 13:55
True. Men alone couldn't elect the repug platform. There are women who've been suckered in by it.
 
 
+4 # karlarove 2012-10-25 21:31
Hmmm, who is voting them in then? Troglodytes? Zombies? People who aren't telling the truth. Years ago when Bush No. 1 was in office, I voted against him, much to the horror of the man I was married to. "Why would you do such a thing" he asked me, "since Bush has a much better economic plan", and this was a man with two young daughters. My reply was that if I did not have control over my body, economics didn't mean S@#$ to me. Not much has changed.
 
 
+5 # Regina 2012-10-26 08:52
Probably married to the men who vote those cretins into office.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:41
Don't confuse Stepford wives with autonomous females.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:40
Now women are responsible for males being jerks?
 
 
+10 # lorenbliss 2012-10-25 13:01
What Ms. Filipovic curiously fails to mention is the misogyny now central to Republican ideology is in fact the core legacy of the Abrahamic religions: Christianity, Islam, Judaism, all of which are literally founded on the manifest hatred of woman and nature.

Note that Liberty is always personified as a woman, often as a goddess. Until we understand why that is -- good starting-points are Barbara Mor's "The Great Cosmic Mother" and Robert Graves' "The White Goddess" -- we will not comprehend the totality of the Republicans' fanaticism.

Mor shows us the direct lineage from patriarchy to the (biologically impossible) male creator-god, thence from the religion of the tyrannical divine father to capitalism and finally capitalism's fulfillment in fascism, fundamentalism and fundamentalist theology with its "our fuhrer who art in heaven" notions of biblical, Sharia and Talmudic law.

Mor also shows us how Abrahamic theology is ultimately that of a death cult. It regards the apocalypse -- the end of everything -- as the only "redemption" of a world declared to be evil. Thus the Republican effort to suppress science, particularly the truths of terminal climate change and human sexuality.

Such hatred is focused on woman not just because she is the origin of human life, but because for our species' first 100,000 years, she was also our sole image of the deity: “In the beginning was the Mother, and she gave birth...”
 
 
+6 # readerz 2012-10-25 14:55
In the early Christian monasticism, it was said that God has no gender, and people who anthropomorphiz ed God were thrown out of monasteries. I'm not a fan of Mor, Graves, or Campbell either, because they also try to paint too limited a picture. However, for those who are interested, R. Crumb, in his graphic illustration of the entire book of Genesis, brings up that Rachel carried her household gods with her, and he has a good point when he traces more of the lineage to the women in the story than the men. I don't want to get into a theological discussion, but my one point of agreement is that my own church has turned the Altar into a "boy's club," and that in no way reflects an icon of Christ and the Apostles, only of lords and princes of... well, the other place.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:43
Thank you for that wonderful factoid.
 
 
+9 # MJnevetS 2012-10-25 16:01
When God Was a Woman
Lorenblis, if you haven't previously done so, you might wish to read Merlin Stone's excellent non-fiction work "When God Was a Woman"

It is and archaeologicall y documented book which details the religion of the Goddess. Originally worshipped in various forms as Astarte, Isis, Ishtar, etc. She was the supreme deity in the Near and Middle East. Worshipped for fertility, revered as the wise creator and the one source of universal order and life. In cultures who worshipped her, women bought and sold property, traded in the marketplace, inherited title and property from mother to daughter. As contended (very persuasively) by Stone, Judaism was the patriarchal re-imaging of the Goddess as a wanton, depraved slut, as were her priestesses, worshippers and acolytes (i.e., the bible talks of the whore of Babylon, who was arguably a priestess performing a fertility ritual). Judaism and all Judeo-Christian religions were a method for men, who were already physically stronger, to wrest spiritual guidance and thus power, from women. From Genesis declaring that Eve seduced Adam into eating from the forbidden fruit, onward, Judeo-Christian religions have been based upon a belief that women are 'unclean' and lesser than men. The book, filled with historical references to the often violent overthrow of established Goddess/Mother religions is FASCINATING!
 
 
+1 # Celeste 2012-10-26 13:35
Right on material, and Bravo to Loren Bliss, too!
 
 
+24 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 13:02
This article left out a few other good examples:

1. Pat Robertson telling a caller who thought his wife was getting too uppity that it's too bad he didn't live in Saudi Arabia where he could beat the hell out of her. Instead, unfortunately, he lived in dumb old America, where he "couldn't" - presumably because of those Godless liberals and their "political correctness".

2. Clayton Williams, the former Governor of Texas (Texas again? Interesting pattern). Texas was FORCED AGAINST ITS WILL to elect a FEMALE DEMOCRAT when it was revealed that its GOP governor made a recorded joke about rape while sitting around a campfire pretending he was a "cowboy".

He said rape victims "might as well just sit back and enjoy the ride".

Many republicans (I know a few who fit this description) are angry and bitter at all women after not telling them how manly they were when they were 16 years old. That lack of female worship at a young age has left such an indelible scar on many repug males that it's surprising there aren't more Gabrielle Giffords incidents.

It's another one of those badly kept "secrets" (like their overt racism) they all assume nobody knows about, because they don't realize how many of the people they spout off in front of in public places happen to be Democrats.
 
 
+4 # Celeste 2012-10-26 13:43
I think Dana Carvey and Mike Meyers were onto something on SNL, and it's found by juxtaposing their characters of Hanz and Franz (the Arnold Schwarzenegger weight-lifting macho wannabes)with the Church Lady routine. Does Pat Robertson, Karl Rove, or Rush Limbaugh fit anything other than the despised "girlie man" characterizatio n? The right wing creeps project revulsion for their own incapacity to meet macho visions of masculinity onto women. The behavior reminds me of the guy who's insecure about his own sexuality so he thinks that everyone around him is probably gay.

It's a defensive gesture, a/k/a a deflection device.
 
 
+13 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 13:06
Oh yeah, and another one as fresh as today's headlines:

3. CNN was embarrassed by a WOMAN (who teaches at the U. of Texas) who "bypassed" their "editorial department" with her conveniently timed article about single women voting more liberal when they're ovulating - apparently, because they're more slutty at that time of the month and suddenly think abortion sounds pretty cool.

Get it? Apparently, "only sluts vote for Democrats".
 
 
+9 # grouchy 2012-10-25 13:27
I think there is a deeper level in this obsession and it is the desire to use any means to hinder people from the joys of sex. Sex is thus bad as many things are bad to them. Bad is what is the balancing arm fear. The system they want, like many of their ilk, is to set up a barrier of FEAR of it. This is the same thinking that is woven into so much of what they believe. It is a foundation of their thinking. It is the core of so many of their policies. Now and evaluate what they are pushing on us and look for that common thread!
 
 
+18 # Big Jake 2012-10-25 13:29
Just when did our country go nuts? Were we just not looking?

It has been increasing exponentially and this year it is at a fever pitch. It is past time that we tolerate this. SPEAK OUT!!!!!! Not timidily but with the conviction that many of us know that this is simply not acceptable in our culture, in our faith, in our national moral code. Ask the Jews how it worked for them. And yes, now as then, our Christian churches were on the wrong side. That can be addressed at the same time. Our American heritage and value system demands more of us than we have been willing to do. It is up to us.
 
 
+15 # fredboy 2012-10-25 13:29
Hard to believe any woman would have such low self worth that they would vote Republican. But our neighborhood is full of them. Older women from the Northeast who see themselves as second class--amazing.
 
 
+17 # Kumari 2012-10-25 13:44
Why is it that the republicans care so much for unborn children and don't seem to give a rat's ass about their welfare once they're born? can someone explain that to me?
 
 
+12 # Mannstein 2012-10-25 15:05
They also don't care about starting illegal wars which kills hundreds of thousands of innocents, causes birth defects by using depleted uranium munitions, and burns victims alive with white phosphor bombs. It's the Republican way.
 
 
+3 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 20:02
Thank you for displaying moral consistency here.
 
 
0 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 20:04
Since you're correcting spelling, I feel compelled to tell you it's not "white phosphor". It's "white phosphorus".
 
 
-3 # Mannstein 2012-10-27 18:34
Bless you Billy Bob and bless your mother that she was pro life.
 
 
+5 # Texas Aggie 2012-10-25 15:53
no
 
 
+14 # Kootenay Coyote 2012-10-25 13:52
If pregnancy after rape is the Will of God, then surely the causative Rape is the Will of God too, in Mr. Mourdock’s remarkable theology. Can we believe it? Tea Party Republicans with poisoned cold soup for brains.
 
 
+15 # gzuckier 2012-10-25 14:24
And also, it's God's plan that we rape the environment; after all, look at it, it's asking for it all attractive and lush.
 
 
+8 # readerz 2012-10-25 14:58
I so agree with you. I wanted to make a T-shirt of a picture of the 2012 Arctic Ice Minimum and say "Sorry Mama" under it.

We know that methane (much worse than CO2) is being released from the Atlantic shelf, arctic land in Siberia and the other land masses, and also the land under the arctic ocean. Human-caused carbon dioxide started this; what pride will we have when we are starving?
 
 
+7 # fhunter 2012-10-25 14:44
A fertilized egg is a person.
A corporation is a person.
The world population was counted recently as 7 billion, but this obsolete now.
 
 
+7 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 16:46
It all evens out, because the 99% of us who aren't zygotes, aren't corporations, and aren't millionaires don't count toward that total anymore.
 
 
+11 # paradoctor 2012-10-25 14:48
I propose that we start calling the Republicans the "pro-rape" party. Or, if you want to sugar-coat it, the "objectively" pro-rape party.
 
 
+15 # seniorcitizen 2012-10-25 15:01
Who gave anyone the right to decide what God intended? If a person is killed by a robber, is it God's will? If so, then we should not prosecute that person, just say, "oh well, it is God's will". If someone is sick, is it God's will? Maybe we should not try to make them well, because it may be God's will. If a hurricane destroys a population, is that God's will? What are they thinking? They sound like God did not give them a brain to reason with. There are terrible things that happen to people, and there are terrible consequences that result from those events. Who is capable of deciding what is right for someone else? I do not believe that a politician has the right to make a decision concerning life or death or to interfere in private lives of anyone. When a representative is sent to Congress, they are supposed to vote for the will of the people in their
district, not their personal beliefs. If someone is running for office on their personal belief as a reason to vote for them, they are not going to represent the people, they are going to try to make their personal belief a law. This is not representation, it is a dictatorship.
 
 
+13 # readerz 2012-10-25 15:06
For those who think that rape is a side issue:

Sure it is only one issue, and very personal. There are many rape victims who are probably waking up screaming (like myself) because these Republicans are bringing up very ugly memories, quite aside from abortion. In my case, I was happily married, but a stranger accosted me at gunpoint. Was it forcible because I didn't want him shooting the gun, and therefore I didn't struggle? At that time, I was stronger than most of the men I knew; it was lucky that he had a gun because otherwise I would have picked him up and thrown him out my window, and I would have been charged with murder. I might even be out of jail by now.

But, back to "more important" issues such as the environment, education, energy resources, health care, jobs and bank regulations, global warfare, global poverty and educational problems, global women's rights... Oh, the Republicans have addressed NONE of these issues.

The Republicans are discussing rape to intimidate women. It is implied that if women do not vote for them, then women will be raped by hoards of gun totin' hollerin' malnourished and uneducated white supremacists. Every time a Republican says "rape" it intimidates women.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:52
I am not intimidated by it because I see it as an unhealthy obsession with matters related to sex. Would this same level of discussion be tolerated if the subject were ED. There is a perverse preoccupation among conservatives with the lady garden.
 
 
+11 # Corvette-Bob 2012-10-25 15:12
Are we really any different than the Tribesmen of Afgan who believe that they should be able to do anything to woman they please. If the latest polls are correct that Mitt Romney has closed the gender gap then I wash my hands from the whole issue and let the woman fend for themselves. If woman are so full of self hate that they would vote for the very party that intends to enslave them, I do not know what to say.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:53
There is no difference. As a female, I am bewildered by misogynist women, always have been and they are worse than men.
 
 
+8 # fredboy 2012-10-25 15:14
Clementine, Repugs CAN'T care about children after they are born because that might make them reconsider sending them --especially the poor--off to war and death. No, once birth occurs Repugs believe God leaves the house and the baby becomes their war and economic pawn.
 
 
+12 # Corvette-Bob 2012-10-25 15:48
Will if this does not fire up woman, I do not know what it would take. But on the other hand, woman may vote for the very party whose views will enslave them. I am an old man who wishes that man would be a good steward of this mother earth which has to live here. But the republican party is intent on not only attacking and enslaving woman but of raping and pillaging the planet as well.
 
 
-15 # Mannstein 2012-10-25 17:42
Corvette-Bob

Please learn how to spell the plural of woman. It would help in attempting to make your point.
 
 
+7 # Billy Bob 2012-10-25 20:06
Mannstein, (Note the comma. It's proper to include that.)

Please learn that no one is impressed with spelling corrections. It makes it look like your point has no substance, so you've resorted to idle nitpicking.
 
 
-1 # Mannstein 2012-10-27 19:55
@ Billy Bob

"Please learn that no one is impressed with spelling corrections."

If that's the case is it any wonder that the US is way down on the list in spelling ang grammar compared to the rest of the world? That US colleges are required to provide remedial english writing courses for freshmen. That we spend more on primary and secondary education than European countries but score on student tests behind all of them? Little poor Finland scores highest in this regard. Where exactly the US stands I can't recollect just now but I believe we are somewhere behind Nigeria.

You may not value good spelling and grammar. I certainly do. I expect value for high real estate taxes, thank you very much. One more thing, very few Americans have mastered a second language compared to Europeans.
 
 
+5 # rockieball 2012-10-26 09:35
Oh now it is down to a misspelling that proves your point of view instead of the substance of you wrongful argument. I find this grammar tactic common mostly with the right when they no longer have a solid ground to base their opinion on.
 
 
-1 # Mannstein 2012-10-27 19:37
@ rockieball

Your opinion that my argument is wrongful is inconsequential . Plenty of non partisan others would agree with my views on abortion both women and men but most importantly abortion survivors.

Yes rockieball there are some survivors.
 
 
+3 # CAMUS1111 2012-10-26 11:24
@Mannstein, from your previous posts one can clearly conclude you prefer the precise grammar and spelling in Mein Kampf. I sympathize with you, of course.
 
 
-1 # Mannstein 2012-10-27 18:28
@ CAMUS1111
Bless you for your insightful conclusion.
It surprises me that you didn't use the well worn anti semite smear tactic. Or am I getting ahead of you? In that case I'd be in good company with President Jimmy Carter, President Truman, Bishop Mandela, and any one else the self Chosen have smeared.

As for spelling and grammar might you prefer that found in Das Kapital by certain German Jew named Karl Marx?

Incidentally, being able to read and write ones mother tongue not to mention having command of a second foreign language is of course of no value among certain circles of our society. For them ignorance is bliss!
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:57
Then you must feel very isolated in your bubble of perfection.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:55
Absolutely agree with you. I do not know a single woman in my sphere of friends who would even consider voting for women-hating GOP candidates.
 
 
+2 # vilstef 2012-10-25 16:02
After all this offensive crud, one can only assume GOP
 
 
-1 # Mannstein 2012-10-27 18:29
Wrong again! I'm an independent.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:58
Only in your skewed parallel universe.
 
 
+7 # seniorcitizen 2012-10-25 16:12
Is it science or is it God's will? When we look at cause and effect, we see a logical creation. We see that night follows day, there are 24 hours in a day. We see the cycle of life in all life forms. There is a pattern that is followed always and there are universal truths that are unchanging. When a woman is in her cycle of ovulation and is fertilized by a sperm, it follows that a pregnancy will result. Who is to say that the pregnancy is the will of God? It is one of the unchanging rules, such as the cycles of the moon and the tides of the sea and the rotation of the earth. We cannot change those fixed events that are constant and unchanging. We do, however have the knowledge and the responsibility
to care for ourselves and take care of the earth. When events happen, such as drought, flood, and other natural disasters, we must do whatever is required to recover from them. We do not say "it is God's will". If a woman becomes pregnant, it is because of the cycle, not because of God's will. Let's get out of the dark ages of thinking. There is a reason that we have a brain and free will and a conscience. Let women use theirs.
 
 
+7 # BLBreck 2012-10-25 17:26
Republicans, The Rape and Pillage Party. Their choice for presidential candidate ran a company that would violate and pillage a business and then send the jobs overseas. It's all about control, power over, which is what rape is really about. So this rapacious power over women is part and parcel with what they also believe about who gets power over the economy, the labor force (men or women,) and the right to have dominion over the environment, which they also believe is their right to rape and pillage.

Please! Let's vote these out of office!
 
 
+2 # jbell94521 2012-10-25 17:26
These extreme right-wing, white, male Republicans will do anything to denigrate, dis-respect and attack vaginas or anything to do with vaginas. I suspect that is because they did not get here on planet earth via a vagina. I invite you to use your imagination concerning how they got here. If they weren't so hurtful and vicious I would almost accept and value them for the amusement they provide via their stupidity. But they are so extreme and so lacking in any sense to judgment or compassion that they are actually dangerous. Let's send them back where they came from.
 
 
+3 # MindDoc 2012-10-25 19:16
Meanwhile I just had my stomach turned by a glimpse of today's NY Post (aka Rupert/Rove) on all the newstands - "Romney: The only choice".
That's a choice? Self-immolation versus Obama?
 
 
+1 # Mannstein 2012-10-27 20:12
Don't believe everything you read and hear.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 13:59
Fantastic comment!
 
 
+1 # Rick Levy 2012-10-25 21:12
"...There are women who've been suckered in by it." I disagree. Suckered in means that these women can't think for themselves. As far as I can see, they made a conscious decision to support the rethugs, which is no less or more informed than that of their male counterparts.

Also note that there are not only women supporters of the GOP but prominent members as well, such as is Schlafly and Angle.
 
 
+5 # MEBrowning 2012-10-25 22:44
Just because you're prominent doesn't mean you can't be an idiot at the same time. Schlafly and Angle are idiots. Dangerous idiots, but idiots nonetheless.
 
 
+2 # Celeste 2012-10-26 13:53
The right wing has think tanks supported by ALEC & The Koch Brothers ready to pay big to Black Conservatives (willing to turn on Affirmative Action) and similar sell-out (of their own gender) women.

Those who place personal profit before truth, justice, and liberty for all will get their karmic desserts.
 
 
-1 # Mannstein 2012-10-27 20:11
@ MEBrowning:

One can be prominent and not an idiot, or one can be prominent and an idiot, or one can not be prominent and not an idiot, or one can be both not prominent and also an idiot.

From your comment one gets the impression you fall into the last category.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 14:03
You work so hard to appear erudite then ruin it all.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 14:01
I think of them as small-minded, mean-spirited and bigoted. As for intellect, if it is exclusively devoted to malevolent endeavor then the very reason for having it is nullified.
 
 
+4 # Quonomo 2012-10-25 22:58
IF ONE OF US IS IN CHAINS THEN NONE OF US ARE FREE!

Their Dogma is about to be run over by their Karma! They have their right to their opinions and their religions however, their God is no bigger than my God. Mine stays out of politics and so should theirs. Theocracy is just that, be it Islamic, Evangelical, or whatever.

This country was founded on religious freedom and freedom from religion. So go to worship all you want on Sunday but when you walk out of the your house of prayer you become a guest in reality. It is arrogant to believe you control it.

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.”
― Sinclair Lewis

What women do with their health is between them and their beliefs. No one invited you into that conversation. So just butt the fuck out and pray for them if it makes you feel better.

I went by the Assembly Of God the other day and they were just getting his arms attached.
 
 
-1 # Mannstein 2012-10-27 17:55
If one innocent is murdered and no one speaks out all are jeprody!

First they came for the Jews and no one objected, then they came for the Social Democrats and no one objected, then they came for the Jeohova Witness still no one objected, finally they came for the rest of us and who would object?

I will speak out against what I consider to be murder whether invited or not, your foul language not withstanding!
 
 
+8 # kalpal 2012-10-26 04:57
A wman who has been raped will be called behind her back various names such as, Skank, Whore, Tramp, Harlot and a few more. That precious gift of life left in her by her rapist will be called those same people and their families a "bastard." That bastard will be obstructed throughout life by those wonderful god fearing people because of the parentage if widely known

Is that also god's wonderful gift or what? Can you imagine a more wonderful gift than being censured all your life because some religious fool decided that you may not have any power to make your own reproductive choices? That you must suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous religions misogyny for the rest of your life?

With gifts like that who needs the right to vote if you might vote against the religious fools who insist on deciding for you how much suffering you must bear because you are female who was violated by some man?
 
 
+5 # MarieLavoe 2012-10-26 09:00
I don't understand the increase in women voters for romney. I guess they like submissiveness. A real women would be running from these cavemen.
 
 
+1 # Rick Levy 2012-10-26 20:11
Spot on, ML. It seems there are not many women who have noticed this trend. Or if they have, they're in denial about it, let alone willing to criticize it. More's the pity.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 14:03
I don't believe that woman are turning to Romney.
 
 
+8 # dawnbringer205 2012-10-26 09:54
Was Jerry Sandusky's rape of those young boys in the showers at Penn State legitimate or illegitimate rape? I'm confused.
 
 
+5 # DIAMONDMARGE 2012-10-26 10:16
Quoting Regina:
The rapist mentality that now infests Republicans must be cut off at their genitals. They do have genitals -- what they lack is brains. Their rape is political rather than biological, but it is no less deadly for women. It will take a huge, hell-no vote by women over the entire spectrum of political opinion, but we must eradicate this scourge from our legislatures, state as well as Congress.

I can't agree more! Bravo!
 
 
+1 # Scott479 2012-10-27 08:07
Romney/Ryan in '12 because every rapist deserves to be a father.
Right now 31 states allow visitation and EVEN custody rights for rapists: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/31-states-grant-rapists-custody-and-visitation-rights/56118/
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 14:05
Damn, I didn't even think about that aspect.

If a woman is forced to bear a rapist's child, is that individual entitled to seek parental rights including custody?

Whoa, that's food for thought.
 
 
+1 # sofi12 2012-10-28 18:29
The problem with men like Akin, Mourdock et al is that they seem to feel they are supposed to opine and rule on such things as what rape is, who gets to have an abortion and so on. God doesn't want them deciding on these matters. No, She doesn't. I checked with Her this morning.
 
 
0 # ghostperson 2012-10-29 14:07
How's our Gal doin?

I think we need to develop a special type of duct tape to put over men's mouths so they can't pontificate about women's bodies a la Akin.
 

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