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Robert Reich writes: "So what do Obama and the Democrats do if the individual mandate in the new healthcare law gets struck down by the Supreme Court? Immediately propose what they should have proposed right from the start - universal healthcare based on Medicare for all, financed by payroll taxes. The public will be behind them, as will the courts."

Portrait, Robert Reich, 08/16/09. (photo: Perian Flaherty)
Portrait, Robert Reich, 08/16/09. (photo: Perian Flaherty)



Medicare for All Trumps Mandate

By Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Blog

16 August 11

 

Why the new healthcare law should have been based on Medicare. (And what Democrats should have learned by now.)

wo appellate judges in Atlanta - one appointed by President Bill Clinton and one by George H.W. Bush - have just decided the Constitution doesn't allow the federal government to require individuals to buy health insurance.

The decision is a major defeat for the White House. The so-called "individual mandate" is a cornerstone of the Affordable Care Act, President Obama's 2010 healthcare reform law, scheduled to go into effect in 2014.

The whole idea of the law is to pool heath risks. Only if everyone buys insurance can insurers afford to cover people with preexisting conditions, or pay the costs of catastrophic diseases.

The issue is now headed for the Supreme Court (another appellate court has upheld the law's constitutionality) where the prognosis isn't good. The Court's Republican-appointed majority has not exactly distinguished itself by its progressive views.

Chalk up another one for the GOP, outwitting and outflanking the President and the Democrats.

Remember the health-care debate? Congressional Republicans refused to consider a single-payer system that would automatically pool risks. They wouldn't even consider giving people the option of buying into it.

The President and the Democrats caved, as they have on almost everything. They came up with a compromise that kept health care in the hands of private insurance companies.

The only way to spread the risk in such a system is to require everyone buy insurance.

Which is exactly what the two appellate judges in Atlanta object to. The Constitution, in their view, doesn't allow the federal government to compel citizens to buy something. "Congress may regulate commercial actors," they write. "But what Congress cannot do under the Commerce Clause is mandate that individuals enter into contracts with private insurance companies for the purchase of an expensive product from the time they are born until the time they die."

Most Americans seem to agree. According to polls, 60 percent of the public opposes the individual mandate. Many on the right believe it a threat to individual liberty. Many on the left object to being required to buy something from a private company.

Had the President and the Democrats stuck to their guns during the health-care debate and insisted on Medicare for all, or at least a public option, they wouldn't now be facing the possible unraveling of the new healthcare law.

After all, Social Security and Medicare - the nation's two most popular safety nets - require every working American to "buy" them. The purchase happens automatically in the form of a deduction from everyone's paychecks.

But because Social Security and Medicare are government programs they don't feel like mandatory purchases. They're more like tax payments, which is what they are - payroll taxes.

There's no question payroll taxes are constitutional, because there's no doubt that the federal government can tax people in order to finance particular public benefits.

Americans don't mind mandates in the form of payroll taxes for Social Security or Medicare. In fact, both programs are so popular even conservative Republicans were heard to shout "don't take away my Medicare!" at rallies opposed to the new health care law.

Requiring citizens to buy something from a private company is entirely different. If Congress can require citizens to buy health insurance from the private sector, reasoned the two appellate judges in Atlanta, what's to stop it from requiring citizens to buy anything else? If the law were to stand, "a future Congress similarly would be able to articulate a unique problem … compelling Americans to purchase a certain product from a private company."

Other federal judges in district courts - one in Virginia and another in Florida - have struck down the law on similar grounds. They said the federal government has no more constitutional authority requiring citizens to buy insurance than requiring them to buy broccoli or asparagus. (The Florida judge referred to broccoli; the Virginia judge to asparagus.)

Social Security and Medicare aren't broccoli or asparagus. They're as American as hot dogs and apple pie.

The Republican strategy should now be clear: Privatize anything that might otherwise be a public program financed by tax dollars. Then argue in the courts that any mandatory purchase of it is unconstitutional because it exceeds the government's authority. And rally the public against the requirement.

Remember this next time you hear Republican candidates touting Paul Ryan's plan for turning Medicare into vouchers for seniors to buy private health insurance.

So what do Obama and the Democrats do if the individual mandate in the new healthcare law gets struck down by the Supreme Court?

Immediately propose what they should have proposed right from the start - universal healthcare based on Medicare for all, financed by payroll taxes. The public will be behind them, as will the courts.


Robert Reich is Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley. He has served in three national administrations, most recently as secretary of labor under President Bill Clinton. He has written thirteen books, including "The Work of Nations," "Locked in the Cabinet," "Supercapitalism" and his latest book, "AFTERSHOCK: The Next Economy and America's Future." His 'Marketplace' commentaries can be found on publicradio.com and iTunes.

 

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+95 # AndreM5 2011-08-16 08:07
Once again, we have hear this argument many times before, including many times from Dr. Reich. Despite the timidity of the Democrats and their fear of retribution from the Health Insurance Crime Syndicate (HICS) it would not have been difficult to sell the public on a Medicare for All plan. The main problem is that it would mean the death of 80% of the HICS profits, relegating them to selling Medicare for All "enhancements" and other scams/thefts they get away with now. In addition to incredible cost savings and one instant benefit of Medical for ALL is that the HICS instantly lose ownership of dozens of Senators and Representatives . That is quite a coup and in one step goes a long way to rescuing the USA from imminent corporatism.
 
 
+16 # nels.wight@gmail.com 2011-08-16 10:21
AndreM5 - you surely have your head screwed on OK.
 
 
+21 # Zac Reisner 2011-08-16 13:32
You are absolutely correct, AndreM5; the only problem is that, for all these exact reasons, the HICS's, and the senators and congressmen owned by them will fight tooth and nail to keep any of it from ever happening, and will contimue to feed the public their lying spin to see to it that the US voters remain ignorant, helpless and pasive.
 
 
+74 # Barbara K 2011-08-16 08:14
Medicare for all is the best possible way to see that we have Health Insurance. The premiums are reasonable and the deductible is low right now. We'll see if the Republibaggers can keep from screwing it up, and us with it. But we will never get it until we have a majority of Dems in the House and Senate and a Dem President. The Rs hate Medicare.
NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!
 
 
-89 # for parity 2011-08-16 08:53
Barbara - you don't understand the plan - or the system. Other than mass rationing of medicine, which is necessary, the payroll taxes that Reich is talking about are going to have to be in the $5,000 additional tax per person per year range - immediately.

It's not free - you know? Without adding 200 million people to the current system, Medicare is already going broke.

That will be on top of the current payroll tax for Medicare, which only goes to pay for current coverage for seniors already on Medicare.

Fortunately, under Bush, we implemented the very progressive premium scale for Medicare Part B - where instead of all paying the same monthly premium - it ranges from $110 to $369 depending on the recipients income (5 income brackets).

Of course, in order to make it work (read my other note) salaries for medical professionals (physicians, nurses, technicians, therapists, shrinks, etc.) will have to be slashed -- Remember, Medicare pays it's bills to providers on a scale much less than that that the open market allows, and even much less than the insurance companies negotiate with them. Nurses making $110,000 a year now - will have to go back to $40,000. Doctors making $250K, back to $75-$100K. They're going to be more like the folks you see working at the post office, or social services.
 
 
-33 # edge 2011-08-16 09:31
These folks don't want to hear this, it makes too much sense!
 
 
+15 # Patch 2011-08-16 16:06
For Parity and Edge - You don't know what you're talking about. Medicare for All or a Single Payer Health Insurance works. Yes it must be paid for with taxes but people are paying now they just don't call it taxes. Americans are phobic about taxes. Read my remarks below.
 
 
-11 # for parity 2011-08-16 20:54
Patch, come on.Learn how to read and learn. Barbara suggests that Medicare is sufficiently funded and the premiums are reasonable presently.

You come in and attack me, challenging me that I don't understand how Single Payer works.

For the most part, presently, only seniors over the age of 65 are on Medicare. Most are on Part A and Part B, and many took Part D so that they could have prescription drugs paid for. They are paying a premium for Part B ( income tested) and for Part D.

The rest of the cost of Medicare is paid for out of current income taxes (Medicare payroll taxes). Basically, It takes all of it, plus seniors premiums, to pay for the medical costs of seniors.

You see - everyone else in the country who pay taxes are already paying for their (seniors) health care - not their own. And, the current system is collapsing - with out expanding it.

If we went to Medicare styled single payer for all, suddenly the rolls of enrolled in Medicare would be expanded by leaps and bounds - However, there is no funding in the pipeline to pay for their medical care.

New funding - many times the current size of the Medicare budget will have to be raised - from tax revenues - hundreds and hundreds of billions.

It's not free. And Medicare is not comprehensive health care - far from it.
 
 
+13 # NanFan 2011-08-17 01:48
Pffft! Now listen...

I'm sick to death of all this nonsense about the Obama health-care reform, which doesn't even go into effect until 2014, when if he is not re-elected and a Republibagger gets into office, it will be so quickly overturned our heads will spin off.

This is why we must TAX THE MEGA-RICH at a VERY high rate NOW, not the poor or middle class. Read Warren Buffet's article on Tax the Rich; he's rooting for it.

And, "for parity," you know so much about Medicare, what's your answer? What's your alternative to Single Payer Health Care? How do the poor and the middle class who have no jobs get health care other than on the backs of OTHER poor and middle class who are the ONLY ones being taxed at the rate we are for our paltry incomes? If we don't do something that is equitable, if we don't begin taxing the rich at a WAY higher rate, we will become the sickest kind of welfare, madder-than-hel l corporate State EVER!

We're one step away from loading up the car and moving into "tramp camps" vis a vie the Great Depression.

Get down on your knees and pray your family does not get devastatingly sick after 2014. I pray they never do.

N.
 
 
+5 # Capn Canard 2011-08-17 08:31
forparity, the facts and figures always ALWAYS overlook the market effect on value and it's trends that rise and fall. This is very basic economics so your ability to follow will be challenged. This is ABSOLUTE: the price of healthcare will drop as more people are covered. This is not a negotiable political ideal, it is as reliable as gravity. If all people were covered by medicare then the price of healthcare would drop. But the BIG Insurance, BIG Pharma, and EVEN not for profit healthcare will fight this like they have a potentially terminal disease and it is a disease that hits their profit margins. We've been overpaying for healthcare for a minimum of 35 to 40 years and they don't want anyone interrupting this ORGY. I suspect you are in deep denial or just forblind.
 
 
+7 # Patch 2011-08-17 16:27
For Parity - Actually, I'm on Medicare and it's the best insurance I've ever had. Yes, to include everyone in the country on it would require a tax increase. But as is obvious the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes. Make taxes equitable and there would be no problem with Social Security or Medicare. Finally, if so many other countries do it successfully, why can't we.
 
 
+26 # Shirley Stoll 2011-08-16 10:00
Where can a nurse get $110,000 a year? Sure isn't where I work.....anyone want to follow me for a shift? Teacher's make more and have Ipers or something for retirement plan___we have none.
 
 
-38 # for parity 2011-08-16 10:45
Well, that's what a RN makes in Neo Natal here in LA, CA - working 3 days (12 hr shifts) / week.

The one I'm thinking of definitely earns it. Neo Natal intensive care. But, as Reich would admit - we're going to have to start letting a large percentage of her babies (mostly preemies) die - System can't continue to pay for hundred of thousands of $million dollar babies.

Some nurses are union some are not. Union members usually have higher pay and better benefits, FTR --

For Medicare for all to work, of course, all unions would have to be busted.

Teachers make more? Well, probably depends on where you live. Certainly, I know a teacher (Public) who worked her way up thru the system - total career was 25 years. Retired as a HS principal at age 54 8 years ago, who's current annual pension is around $112,000, with full lifetime medical, Dental benefits, etc.

As with the business community - the administration - the CEO's - the brass - the principals, the superintendents , etc -- make much more.
 
 
+22 # utjimw 2011-08-16 12:57
The U.S. has the highest infant mortality rate of all industrialized nations. Access to medical care is issue here.
 
 
-16 # for parity 2011-08-16 14:49
Access is one of many issues here. Obesity is another, lack of exercise is another, fertility drugs is another, immigration is another. But yes access for poverty stricken folks is an interesting one - even though they all have access to the best that public health services in the US has to offer.
 
 
+3 # BradFromSalem 2011-08-16 12:25
Nurses in unionized major hospitals. Go 10 miles away and they get half that.

I know a nurse named Shirley that was paid 50-60K PT at a major Boston hospital.
 
 
-30 # for parity 2011-08-16 10:46
That's what I thought - not a soul wants to deal with reality - they just want play make-believe.
 
 
+33 # utjimw 2011-08-16 12:47
For- You don’t understand the saving and were they will come from. Privet insurance spends between 30 to 50 cents of every dollar on stock holder dividends and administrative costs. Medicare/cade spends 1 cent per dollar.
The Brackets under Bush worked to a limited extent but were blown away by not allowing Medicare/cade to bid out the supply for the pharmaceuticals . This has transferred over 40 billion taxpayer dollars to big pharma. Some doctors do make a lot of money in the U.S. Mostly plastic surgeons. Most of the other medical professional’s pay is right in line with other industrialized nations that have no problem supplying medical care through a government run system.
The “$5,000 additional tax per person per year range – immediately” requirement you site is based on everyone using Medicare/cade at the same level that the current recipients are using this service at today. If everyone in the U.S. is in, that usage rate per contributor goes down precipitously.
With all these savings I have read that the rate would be in the range of $1600 to $2200 per year. This is quite a difference from the $629.00/ month I spend per employee at my business.

There is really no reason to not do the public health insurance programme. Unless you are employed by the insurance corporations or a politician using their graft.
 
 
+25 # Alice 2011-08-16 13:00
Absolute hogwash. Cut out the middle man, the insurance companies, and the costs would come tumbling down. The Medicare program has the lowest administrative cost of any other medical service providing program.

I think you would be hard pressed to find a nurse making 110,000 - unless it is a nurse practitioner.

Amazing how there was plenty of money for Medicare Part D with no negotiation with the drug companies -- the other beasts of giant cost in health care.

MEDICARE FOR ALL -- IT'S THE ANSWER, NOT THE PROBLEM!
 
 
-14 # for parity 2011-08-16 14:58
Alice - why is everyone fixated on the number I put out for what a well credentialed nurse makes here in LA in the neo natal intensive care ward. Some of them are making closer to $200K -but they are working lots of overtime. The example I gave you is exactly as it is - and that is non-union - not quite full time.

Well, many might have done Part D differently. However, the big news was that seniors on Medicare finally got a prescription drug program from the government which tthey'd never had before. It's also interesting to note that Part D came in below budget for it's first many years. The approved plan that Bush signed called for $400 billion over ten years. Interesting to note that the 1st competing plan put on the table by the Democrats was a $1.2 Trillion monstrosity - then they pared their offer down to $800 billion - it ended up at $400 billion.

Yes - and in all circumstances - better negotiation with the Rx companies would have helped keep the costs down.

The insurance companies have their issues with us - no doubt - but their forte is in negotiating and trying to keep down skyrocketing health care and Rx costs. Their profit margins have remained rather low for a long time now compared to the rest of the big boys on Wall Street - Rx companies especially called out.
 
 
+15 # propsguy 2011-08-16 14:46
you don't have a clue. doctors and nurses aren't suffering in europe. have you ever been out of this country and seen how other people live without the stress of health insurance worries?

health care doesn't have to be rationed if it's not a profit making business. here, of course, when half your premium has to go towards the CEO's $10 million a year salary, yes health care is rationed to those who have the money to pay
 
 
+4 # GroundingHubris 2011-08-17 07:42
wow, not sure where some people get their nurse and physicians salaries but sure not from Texas. My neurologist who is specialized in movement disorders makes appox 150,000 a yr, as a former trauma nurse and still friends with many, average RN salary with trauma certification is less then 40,000 a yr. I do have one friend who is now a travel nurse who makes a little less then 80,000 but then there are drawbacks such as no benefits. Also, all the hospitals I know never staff enough nurses to really care for patients (another way to reduce cost). So a 12 hr shift means no breaks or lunches. Maybe that is the reason for recent increase of early onset parkinson's highest population is nurses?
 
 
-74 # for parity 2011-08-16 08:43
OK - but Reich and his minority must engage the public with the harsh realities of what else would have to occur for this to happen.

For one, Reich is on record in stating that his approach will cost more, that we will have to let the sick elderly die sooner, and that young people, in addition to paying more, won't live as long as their parents. He has stated that we will have to give up on a lot of the drug advancements and medical technology advancements on which we have become so dependent upon.

Now secondly, there are two major issues with Medicare that are not easily addressed.

One being that without expanding it - it has already turned into a ponzi scheme - nothing will keep it from a complete financial crisis - certainly not adding tens of millions of new recipients to it's rolls.

The other is the usually not discussed fact that Medicare benefits, as they currently exist - if even Obama were to give one of his speeches describing the short comings of the plan (high deductibles, exclusions to coverage, high out of pocket costs, caps for services, and limited Rx (but thank you Bush for at least giving seniors some Rx benefits - they had none before), he would smear it as evil - just the way he attacked insurance plans which have high deductibles, high co-insurance, and exclusions.
 
 
+72 # BradFromSalem 2011-08-16 09:32
You know you are using phony math, right?

If everyone, meaning 100% of the persons inside the borders of the United States was covered under a single comprehensive Health Insurance policy what makes you think that it would cost significantly more than our half baked health care system is today?

In the current system, especially prior to the so called mandate, many young persons with good health are not covered. The actual cost of adding them is frequently minimal, so that becomes a plus as you add their $$ into the system. How many people pay separately for health, dental, and eyes? One plan one payment. There are other subsets in our current hodge podge. How much do hospitals and medical private practices pay to a track the multitude of payment rules, deductibles, cross coverage issues.

Simplification, Single Payer, will reduce the per person cost and increase profit vs. cost margin for providers. Will the total costs rise? Maybe, maybe not.

But by providing everyone the human necessity of health care we have a healthier and more productive nation. And that will pay for itself many times over.
 
 
+33 # Michael Dickey 2011-08-16 10:02
The republicans don't want to hear this, it makes too much sense!
 
 
-19 # for parity 2011-08-16 10:51
Excuse me - where do you see that I suggested it would cost more than the current system (blend of social and private)?

Regardless -- there is a lot of support for simplification (universal processes) in the paperwork from most all - including the insurance companies.

It will still have to be rationed, as it is in other countries (note - NHS in the UK, recently stopped paying for chronic back pain injections), in order to get the costs to stop rising meteorically, as it has been - and in order to cover all.

Naturally, I agree that much must be done to cover all.
 
 
+5 # BradFromSalem 2011-08-16 11:06
I think the section below came from your post. That looks to me like you believe what you claim Robert Reich stated is true.

_________________________________________
For one, Reich is on record in stating that his approach will cost more, that we will have to let the sick elderly die sooner, and that young people, in addition to paying more, won't live as long as their parents. He has stated that we will have to give up on a lot of the drug advancements and medical technology advancements on which we have become so dependent upon.

Now secondly, there are two major issues with Medicare that are not easily addressed.

One being that without expanding it - it has already turned into a ponzi scheme - nothing will keep it from a complete financial crisis - certainly not adding tens of millions of new recipients to it's rolls.
_________________________________________

Are you in agreement or are you claiming that Robert Reich is trying to pull a fast one?
 
 
-16 # for parity 2011-08-16 11:56
You challenged:

"what makes you think that it would cost significantly more than our half baked health care system is today?"

I responded - that I dd not say that?

You shifted to challenging me on my reference to what Reich has stated.

Professor Reich (former Labor Sec) stated to his students that his concept of what needed to be done, would cost them more, " you're going to have to pay more," he stated.

Reich understands/bel ieves that the only way to get everyone covered and to bring down the skyrocketing costs of our "we want everything possible done, no matter what society" will be to ration medicine and care under a single payor system.

Reich is Reich. Anyone who understands the issues here, who is not wiling to have the full adult conversation with the American people while trying for force changes that will not work, upon them, is pulling a fast one.
 
 
+12 # BradFromSalem 2011-08-16 12:14
Fine.

I took it that your quotes of Prof. Reich was to be taken as your coinciding with your own.

If I interpreted your use of Prof. Reich's statements incorrectly, then I am sorry.

Here is where I am coming from. I draw on Prof. Reich as a source, but I also add in my own opinion.

Go back to my last statement:
By providing everyone the human necessity of health care....

Everything prior to that point was written to demonstrate why I am willing to possibly increase costs initially, in order to achieve better care at lower cost over the long run.

Even here in MA where the crappy RomneyCare has been in effect for about 6 years, the rate of increase is beginning to decelerate. And the highest % of the population is covered, and jobs are increasing. This is a greater good.

I am not sure where you stand as your comments, when challenged are all over the place.

I have attempted to remain consistent, that is for you and others to decide.

Are you for Single Payer public health care plan or not? If you are, then we are bickering over details that get worked out once we get there (if ever).
 
 
-6 # for parity 2011-08-16 15:15
I would say that until one side of the isle makes a fair and honest presentation to the American people about what single payer will actually be about - how it will work - how services will be affected, etc., and until an open and intellectual conversation - and debate - take place with the American people - then it is off the table.

In the moment - the American people do not want single payer. It is up to the Democratic party to make it's case - not cram it down the people's throat.

I'll give you that polls are all over the place here. One problem with polling, especially when asking whether folks want Medicare for all type of single payer - is that so few folks understand the basics of Medicare; like, it has large deductibles, Part B and Part D, Rx, are separate plans that you have to pay for - and that you still have to buy a supplement plan from an insurance company to get close to full - comprehensive coverage. And, of course, it does not include nursing home coverage.

There is a major conversation to be had with the American people. Both President Obama and the opposition did a lousy job - there was no honest presentation by either side.
 
 
+1 # sonrisa 2011-08-16 16:30
my Mom spent time in a nursing home during rehab after she broke her hips (2 separate occasions) Uncle Sam paid both times, but only for 100 days. then you have to atay out of a hoem for 2 months before the'll pay again. Fortunately, her rehab was done in under 100 days both times, & she managed to stay healthy for more than the required 2 months afterward both times.
 
 
-5 # for parity 2011-08-16 20:56
Medicaid - I suspect, not Medicare. Medicare does not pay for nursing home care.
 
 
-4 # for parity 2011-08-16 21:01
sonrisa - I'm a bit off in my last remark - and I knew it as soon as I typed it. There are certain limited circumstances when Medicare will pay. That, I believe is limited to certain situations, and when the Medicare member has been hospitalized for a minimum of 3 consecutive days immediately prior to and related to the needed nursing home care. The member must be discharged directly to the nursing home - cannot go home in between.

Simple mistakes - or the hospitals refusal to keep the patient in the hospital for the required 3 full days time can completely disqualify the member from the nursing home care.

Better put - stupid government red tape.
 
 
+18 # judith spock 2011-08-16 12:33
Health care is already rationed! The well heeled can afford it at its best, the middle class is at risk of bankruptcy, the poor can sit in an emergency ward indefinitely. Anybody ok with this?
 
 
+4 # mothra 2011-08-16 15:09
Geez, I can't take the lying anymore about the Brits' NHS and back treatment. It's too blatant. They cover everything from NSAIDS to acupuncture, epidurals, massage, CBT/Depression therapy to spinal fusion. Epidurals/injec tion therapies are short lived and only work in some cases. What planet are you on? Get back on this one, respectfully. The goal is a positive one for our society and future economic growth. NHS can prove my spinal point better than I: http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Back-pain/Pages/Treatment.aspx
 
 
-7 # for parity 2011-08-16 15:40
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5955840/Patients-forced-to-live-in-agony-after-NHS-refuses-to-pay-for-painkilling-injections.html

"Dr Jonathan Richardson, a consultant pain specialist from Bradford Hospitals Trust, is among more than 50 medics who have written to NICE urging the body to reconsider its decision, which was taken in May.

He said: "The consequences of the NICE decision will be devastating for thousands of patients. It will mean more people on opiates, which are addictive, and kill 2,000 a year. It will mean more people having spinal surgery, which is incredibly risky, and has a 50 per cent failure rate." "

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Thousands of British cancer patients denied vital drugs :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7909907/Thousands-of-British-cancer-patients-denied-vital-drugs.html
 
 
+5 # utjimw 2011-08-16 13:38
As I stated before one of the problems that Bush’s plan has is the cost of the pharmaceuticals . Without letting the Gov. go out to bid we tax payers are being raked over the coals. And Bush’s plan didn’t raise rates to cover the cost of retail drugs. But it sure gave a good way to kill Medicare.
“a ponzi scheme, nothing will keep it from a complete financial crisis - certainly not adding tens of millions of new recipients to it's rolls, will cost more, that we will have to let the sick elderly die sooner, and that young people, in addition to paying more, won't live as long as their parents.” These are just right wing talking points.
The truth is this is something that will save our country trillions of dollars. I could hire at least one more person at my small business.
 
 
-9 # for parity 2011-08-16 15:26
I don't disagree - but the conversation to make major changes must address the issues here.

You don't even have a clue as to what you are talking about.

I'd agree that I'd done it differently, around the edges as well - but seniors got a prescription drug plan for the first time in Medicare history. It was not a ponzi scheme. It was not something to destroy Medicare - it did cost money and seniors loved having it.

Come on - politics is dirty business. ObamaCare cut $500 billion out of Medicare so that they could make the numbers work - so that they'd come back in and re-authorize the money on the back end. Dirty politics.

Bush's Rx Plan was - is - $35-$40 billion a year -- this was not a budget breaker - just another clog.

Did you hate that Bush pushed for and signed the progressive income adjusted premium scheme, where higher income earners pay more now for Medicare part B? Premiums range from $110/mo to $369/mo for higher income earners (5 brackets).

What I'm saying to you, is that if Democrats had passed Bush's Rx bill - you'd love it. You might want to fix it a bit - but you'd been a cheerleader for it. That's just the way politics works.
 
 
+6 # propsguy 2011-08-16 14:49
please, Bush's senior drug program was a gift to Big Pharma! what country agrees to pay for everything at any cost and gives up the right to negotiate the cost? all he did was take the money from us and hand it to the drug companies
 
 
-11 # for parity 2011-08-16 15:48
Come on. What he did was save seniors a ton of money - by providing a social program that they did not have before, at mostly taxpayers expense.

Of course it could have been done better, differently, or not at all.

Obama's stimulus plan could have been done differently. Obama Care could have been done differently. Libya could have been done differently.

The housing bubble that Clinton/Cuomo created could have been done differently.

The Dot.Com (Enron) bubble could have been handled differently so that it didn't collapse in March, 2000. The two major financial deregulation's of the late 90's could have been done differently - or not at all.

How about complaining about the issues and the politics separately?

Seniors loved getting Part D.
 
 
+6 # dont love it 2011-08-16 16:58
None of the seniors I know "love it."

Are you one of those who do, and how much is your income? Do you have supplemental insurance from a job or militry service?

Without her Navy medical from my Dad's service I'd have to help pay for my Mom's meds, and at 80 she's lucky to have just a few chronic ailments.

An ex co-worker of hers (retired schoolteachers) with several critical health problems can barely afford to eat when the Medicare "doghnut hole" hits. And most pf their peers are in the same shape.

So where's all these seniors who "love it"? Besides in your "I just have to say black because you said white, so I can get some attention" mind.

I really do feel sorry for people like you...
 
 
-6 # for parity 2011-08-16 21:06
You feel sorry for me?

I'm very empathetic about your mom's situation and your needs to care for her.

Polls have shown that most medicare recipients are very pleased with their Part D.

And why not - before that most didn't have prescription drugs paid for - and were going broke trying to pay for them out of pocket.

I feel very sorry that your partisan ignorance prevents you from thinking clearly.

I've been an advocate for improving the system for many years - work every day on it, and especially an advocate for providing coverage for uninsured Americans.
 
 
+7 # bojangles 2011-08-16 15:26
far parity

How do you know that Reich "and his minority" area minority? You talk as if you know from the facts that he and the poor, disadvantaged, and the fast disappearing middle class are not indeed the majority on this issue. Would you be willing to let every American citizen vote up or down on this issue of Medicare For All? Reich is simply telling it like it is. It is understandable that those on the right would find fault. That's what they do best. After all, it was the asinine conservative economic policies of the past 30 years that has caused this and and most other problems we are now faced with. And it wasn't just the GOPers that caused all this is. The spineless Donkey Party is just as much at fault as the backwards facing conservatives in the GOP. I find it rather foolish that the right keeps looking for answers to 21st century problems using their 19rth century ideology. Jesus said, if the blind lead the blind won't they both fall into the ditch? I think with today's leaders in Washington, we're standing at the very edge of that ditch. But, trying to solve them with the same old ideas is bound to fail.
 
 
+8 # Elliot Hoffman 2011-08-16 21:07
for parity is right - as Americans it is our duty to pay double per capita per year for health care than the next 6 highest cost countries (UK, France, Germany, etc.) and be rated 36th (just above Cuba) in quality by the World Health Organization. WHO ranks the other 6 mentioned here as 1-6 in quality. But facts don't matter to "for parity and other "patriots". It's our duty to pay more for less so that health insurance company CEOs can make a paltry $10mm in compensation for a year. It's our duty to be ignorant and be fleeced by the elite wealthy. I say we should simply hand over all our assets to the top 2% - they need it all and won't be satisfied until they have all the marble. Don't worry about your children - begging is a dignified professikon. I'm with you, "for parity" - let them eat cake. Elliot H
 
 
+1 # NanFan 2011-08-17 01:58
Are you in the same America as the rest of us? Ahhh....that's the problem: NOT!

N.
 
 
+12 # Ruckn 2011-08-16 08:58
We will not have a national health program until we have a publicly funded system in a state or two. Also, there are not enough physicians in the country to implement a univrsl program. Given the economy, a reasonable approach is for the Congress to decide how much money it is willing to spend on health care in given year and lower the Medicare eligibility age sufficntly to consume that money. In time we would have everyone covered withought creating a new bureaucracy.
 
 
+17 # Michael Dickey 2011-08-16 10:06
The reasons that there are not enough physicians in the country are the cost of education and the AMA regulating the number of med school grads. Free college education and no AMA regulations would take care of the problem.
 
 
+1 # Wolfchen 2011-08-17 14:33
California would have a Universal Healthcare Single Payer System if former Republican Governor Schwarzenegger had not vetoed it before leaving office. Even so, the issue is alive and will again be pursued.

When it is passed in a state like California, the trick will be to keep people like "for parity" from profiting and taking advantage of such a system.

When Medicare for All is enacted on a federal level, the funding must indeed be placed in a locked box, so as to prevent the thieving politicians from raiding such funds for bridges to nowhere…and then screaming that such programs are not sustainable. The same locked box approach must be taken to protect both Social Security and Medicare.
 
 
+33 # K Anderson 2011-08-16 08:58
Thank you, Mr. Secretary, for this article! I totally agree with you, and am grateful to you for the concise and clear position you put forward. I am afraid that our President is not getting as good advice as he needs, or else he is not hearing the advice given. It is time for this bad situation to be reversed for the good of all.
 
 
+51 # portiz 2011-08-16 09:08
Now that America has lost our AAA bond rating, all the remaining AAA countries share one characteristic. .. they ALL HAVE NATIONALISED HEALTH CARE!!!

It's time for us to rejoin the first world, and health care for ALL is the first step.
 
 
+11 # BradFromSalem 2011-08-16 09:09
When the Supreme Court rules that tax deductions are illegal, what will the Republicans do?

The mandate is just that, a tax deduction. If you purchase an item such as a hybrid car, you may be eligible for a tax deduction. That is how the mandate was constructed. How is the hybrid car example different from saying, when you purchase Health Insurance, you are exempt from paying the Health Insurance tax.

If the mandate is overturned, it is possible that our entire tax system will unravel.

I am not really sure on which side I fall. We do need to rebuild our tax system from the ground up. But I fear for the chaos that would follow such a ruling; and it would be very difficult (but necessary) to exclude the Tea Party and other idiots from the discussion.
 
 
+19 # Barbara K 2011-08-16 09:25
Liberal, it will never take hold until the Dems have control of the House, the Senate and a Dem president. The Rs hate Medicare and will get rid of it at their first opportunity. We must not give them that opportunity, we cannot count on the Supreme Court to protect us, the evil has even spread to there. Some Supremes need to go too. We need to stop being so complacent and fight back with all our might; or we will be living a life of hell. We couldn't get it before because the Rs filibustered and blocked it.
NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!
 
 
+9 # Tee 2011-08-16 09:47
Whe Obama was elected he had majorities in the house and senate. Obama decided ato make a secret deal with the health insurance industry. Know your history, it was only a year ago.
 
 
+12 # Barbara K 2011-08-16 12:26
Tee, I watch the Senate and when one of the first things worked on was the urgency of Health Care as promised for the people. The Republicans "slow-walked" it, filibustered it, and blocked it, and fought every step of the way and made it take way too long to get the Health Care Plan done, all on purpose. It didn't have to take so long to work on that one Bill, also Obama was working on trying to keep the country afloat, it took the first 2 years to get that much done. The Rs blocked every thing that came to the floor. Obama made no such "secret deal", the R filibustered the single payer option right out of the Senate. I watched it all and all the debates, etc. and all the 300-plus fake amendments the Rs forced votes on that had nothing to do with the Health Care Bill. We were lucky to get one at all. It can always be amended to single-payer when there are enough Dems to do the job.
 
 
+1 # Observer 47 2011-08-16 13:12
Sorry, but you're wrong, Barbara. Obama most certainly DID make that deal. And wake up and realize that the Dems have sold this country down the river as much as the Rethugs have. When Obama HAD majorities in both houses, they still backed down. You aren't looking at the real picture, I'm afraid.
 
 
+9 # Suavane 2011-08-16 13:17
I agree with you! But I'd add, there's a word for this behavior, when you have the leaders of the Republican party stating from the beginning of this President's term, that they will not cooperate with him, and proceed to do so as to bring our government down to the bring of default, when it was primarily Republican leadership that brought this country to the financial abyss that faced this President on day one. Some economists have said, that without the Presidents actions early on, that we could have been in the worst depression we have ever known. These acts by the Republicans against our President, and therefore our country, are, in my opinion, acts of treason!
 
 
+1 # Suavane 2011-08-16 13:01
Quoting Tee:
Whe Obama was elected he had majorities in the house and senate. Obama decided ato make a secret deal with the health insurance industry. Know your history, it was only a year ago.


Your first statement is misleading. while on paper it was true, in reality many of those Dems in the Congress and Senate were "Blue Dogs." In your second statement regarding a secret deal with the Insurance industry and the President, I invite you to show us what evidence you can, to prove this statement true. By the way, if it was secret, how could you come to such a decision in the first place?
 
 
+10 # BradFromSalem 2011-08-16 09:53
I agree, but I wanted to bring out the unintended consequences that occur, especially when you overreach. And that is what the Tea Party fueled Republicans are doing; overreaching.

We are just one Justice away from a slight Liberal majority on the court! One impeachment or retirement is all that is needed. The Court is one area I think Obama has been fairly succesful.
 
 
+21 # universlman 2011-08-16 09:19
won't happen anytime soon - insurance companies run the health care system - they pay doctors and hospitals whatever they charge for people with "coverage" because there is little regulation of charges or coverage in a "free" market

people without coverage postpone diagnosis and avoid expensive treatment which results in premature death, lingering suffering and other bad outcomes

this is not a free market system - a second opinion is not free or any easier or cheaper to get than the first one

this country has invented many fine things, but has succeeded in uninventing this one by allowing the system to truly refuse service to the weakest and sickest among us in the name of cost saving
 
 
+15 # HommeVieux2 2011-08-16 09:23
Did the Atlanta court address the other side of the question: what is to be done when someone without insurance appears at a hospital in need of immediate care ? Should they be left on the sidewalk to die or will the bill for their care then be sent to all of us, or to perhaps Repuglicans only ?
 
 
+4 # Shirley Stoll 2011-08-16 10:03
What do you think happens to those like that now?
 
 
+35 # Patch 2011-08-16 09:25
I live on the border with Canada--only 1/2 mile between my house and that country. I have many Canadian friends and know that their health care system is far superior to ours. People who have immediate medical needs get seen immediately. Some of the Canadians I know wouldn't be alive if they lived in the U.S. It is only when someone has an elective type surgery that they may have to wait a long time. As for "death panels" they don't exist.

Australia and New Zealand evidently have a two-tier system where everyone in the country is covered but those who have money can pay for private insurance.

The FACT is these systems work and ours doesn't unless you are healthy and/or have lots of money. Any system that means 50 million people do not have access to health care is a failure. On top of it all, our system is much more costly than any of the systems I mentioned.

Americans want every kind of service from perfect roads to good medical care but don't want to pay for it. To me that's a form of welfare or theft.
 
 
+1 # ritaague 2011-08-16 14:12
Yes, Patch, it's the plain and simple truth, something the Kochsucking simpletons do not want to hear - the U.S. is still the only advanced country in the world today that does not have healthcare for all as a human(e) right.

Instead of kicks to the HICS, Pres. OhBombAh always picks the licks and kisses up to the villainaires instead of saying, firmly:

"That's not open for arbitration."
 
 
+6 # CTPatriot 2011-08-16 20:22
I disagree with your assertion that Americans don't want to pay for it. Fifty percent of Americans support the idea of single payer. Over 60% supported a public option. Some 80% support Medicare.

All it would take is a president willing to use his bully pulpit both to stand up to the insurance industry and to educate the public that the $12,000/yr premiums they pay to insurance companies would be replaced by $6,000/yr (less for lower income people and the unemployed, higher for those who can afford it) in Medicare taxes with equal or better coverage and voila, instant sale.

The only ones who "don't want to pay for it" are the tea baggers and libertarians, the most selfish people on earth, whose concept of a society is "me me me". They resent the idea of anything that is theirs being used to benefit society as a whole, which is what taxes and "entitlement" programs do.
 
 
+8 # Tee 2011-08-16 09:41
Before Obama can do the sensible thing and institute universal health care he have to check with his other boss which is the corporate elite of the health insurance industry. They will fire him ( not give him any more compaign donations) if he dare do what he promised us when he was a candidate.
 
 
+21 # karenvista 2011-08-16 10:34
Exactly Tee! That is the reason behind all our healthcare woes. Civilized countries don't allow "for Profit" insurance companies. Several countries allow "not for profit" insurance. If you take the outrageous profits of the insurance companies and their CEOs away our healthcare wouldn't cost twice as much as any other country and be 37th in outcomes.
 
 
+4 # John Talbutt 2011-08-16 11:03
I doubt that all that has to happen to get universal health care is for "Obama to do the sensible thing".
 
 
+5 # shesap 2011-08-16 09:50
Well if THIS happens. Obama is sure to get re elected. BUT nothing FOR a social program will ever pass as long as the Tea Party in in power.
 
 
+10 # CL38 2011-08-16 09:52
People are "REQUIRED" to BUY car insurance and condo/home owners insurance --why not health insurance? The Tea Party right wing stance on this makes no sense.

Without health care for all, taxpayers are 'forced to buy' coverage in the form of paying overblown Emergency Room health care costs for those without coverage. Everyone deserves to have health care coverage, but Mr. Reich says, it's much more affordable to include everyone if we all buy coverage, just as we have to buy other kinds of insurance. There are programs to help those who can't afford it.
 
 
+15 # Isar 2011-08-16 09:58
I am so tired of this Health care fight...Because Obama didn't stick to his guns, the Republicans won...and they will keep winning until we have a Democrat House and Senate that can pass the right kind of Health Care/Medicare for everyone, without the President having to compromise. That means we need a Democrat majority even without the Blue Dog Dems....Without that kind of majority, you can just kiss goodbye to the National Health Care....Our Supreme Court will kill it the same way they killed Al Gore's presidency. Bye Bye Miss American Pie.....
 
 
+10 # VSweet 2011-08-16 10:11
Let the majority of American people by a vote decide the most compehesible, affordable health care package plan.

If it should becomes a universal such as the proposed Medicare healthcare plan, mandate into law that Medicare cannot ever be privitized.
 
 
+8 # lou24772 2011-08-16 10:16
I don't really understand the rationality of the Court ruling. The Government cannot force anyone to buy insurance from private carriers. In the State of LA, I am forced by law to buy liability insurance from private carriers. Did they also say that this is unconstitutiona l??? They opened a can of worms--for sure.
 
 
+13 # Helen 2011-08-16 11:17
For a long time, I too couldn't understand how the government could require a person to buy something from a private company. Then I was told it is a different matter. You HAVE to buy liability insurance for your car because nobody HAS to drive a car. If you want to drive a car, you have to buy insurance.

I still think Medicare for all would be the most civilized option. That's what we should have demanded in the first place.
 
 
+17 # spktruth200 2011-08-16 10:43
I helped write the single payer deal for my state.
Democrats were timid even though 80% of people wanted him to go to a single payer health system. Physcians for national Health care (PNHP.org) sent doctors and nurses to DC: they were arrested. Wendell Potter (insurance co. insider and whistleblower told the truth. Medicare is ADMINISTERED by the govt at $.035%...for profit health care steal 45Cents out of every health care dollar for CEO's, shareholders and advertising! not a penny of that is health care. A study was done in my state by an independent review committee. They looked at every possible aspect and finally determined ONLY a medicare for all, single payer plan would cover everyone, cost less, be more effective than all for profit plans. there was so much savings it would not only cover medical, but dental, long term care, prisoners, aids, etc & saved the State $4M first year. The insurance lobbyists & corporate media purposely bamboozled the public abd created teabaggers themajority on medicare. Koch Brothers funded Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute wrote the Romney for profit bill in Mass. Obama thought repukes would support? The teabaggers have another shot now Ryans plan destroys the safety net. The Mass legs twice sent single payer bill, Romney vetoed them.
 
 
+17 # Susan W 2011-08-16 10:46
I believe that this individual mandate will be upheld by the Supremes for the simple reason it is not in any way a "liberal" idea. It is a guaranteed pool of money for the health insurance industry and if there is anything conservatives like it is a guaranteed income.

Medicare for all or even a puny public option would have been an improvement over this piece of shitty legislation that was nothing more than a bailout for the health insurance companies. Can you imagine the profits they will make if everyone has to buy their crappy product and they can use tax dollars to finance it? The sky is indeed the limit.

Until this backwards country wakes up and eliminates private health insurance there will be no universal healthcare because one does not equate with the other.
 
 
+11 # parityfanatic 2011-08-16 10:48
Professor Reich seems to miss the real issue. The Repubs WILL fight CHANGE in whatever form it appears. It is quite possible that Justice Kennedy on our Supreme Court will realize that our healthcare system requires change and the Commerce clause permits the individual Mandate. The COST of Uninsured healthcare treatment is absorbed by the insureds in ALL the states. The insureds have no choice; they are forced to pay additional premiums due to the UNINSURED.
It is amazing to me how the Repubs loved the Mandate idea until they couldn't kill Obamacare.
Repubs wanted private carriers to provide coverages NOT a public option.
The Repubs always say "The Courts" should not legislate; congress legislates. They says THAT UNTIL they lose in Congress.

Congress HAS legislated and Obamacare has the POTENTIAL to help our healthcare
system.
Justice Kennedy...don't fail the American people...THEY deserve a Healthcare system with a CHANCE to improve.
 
 
+4 # wfalco 2011-08-16 11:16
Unless I misinterpreted Mr Reich's article this seems like good news. An opening is now created that just might work. I never cared for a mandate to pay for crappy insurance.
I have a "good plan"-$350 per month deducted from my pay for family coverage. And this is the second tier plan(the best is about $500 per month.) Not included is a $36 per month vision care fee and a dental premium of $30.
It certainly seems to me (for those math whizzes out there who like to throw around their fancy numbers about how it would be too costly to have Medicare for all)that we can do better. If I had my employer's "best plan" it would cost me a total of $566 per month as opposed to my current $416. Would a new tax for national health care cost that much? Seems like we have a bunch of number crunchers on this site-figure it out for me please.
 
 
+6 # LegacyCost 2011-08-16 11:42
Susan W hit the nail on the head! The mandate will be upheld because the coporate powers want it that way.
 
 
+17 # Sewall-Mueller 2011-08-16 11:54
The more people who subsribe to one insurance plan the less the cost for each person is. Medicare - IT IS NOT BROKE & adds nothing to government debt - it works very well. We have paid into it, some for over 50 yrs.
 
 
+5 # SenorN 2011-08-16 18:21
No one expects health care to be free, but Medicare could surely provide care more inexpensively than private companies do now. Every dollar of the immense profits being made by the insurance companies would be eliminated from what we pay for health care, as would most of their advertising costs.
More importantly, Americans would no longer be going bankrupt and losing their homes because they got sick and would no longer have to suffer needlessly because they can't afford treatment.
People worried about the government's rationing care need to realize that it is the for-profit insurance companies that ration it now.
I suppose those who say government has no right to force people to buy health insurance are driving uninsured cars and thinking they have a right to jeopardize my welfare by doing so.
 
 
+1 # Brooklyn Basics 2011-08-17 00:07
You are 100% right.
 
 
+3 # Brooklyn Basics 2011-08-17 00:06
I agree wholeheartedly. As a registered nurse, I would do the following to lower the costs.

1. Require co payments with a sliding scale fee. Ex; Wealthy patients would pay a larger co-payment while lower income patients would have a co-pay as low as $2.00. This would lower taxpayer cost and also discourage frivolous visits.

Some of our retired senior citizen make frequent doctor visits even when they don't have a new problem. They will visit the doctor as a way to assuage loneliness.

2. Use Nurse Practitioners more to contain costs and set up more neighborhood community health clinics to promote prevention.

Private insurance companies are driving up the cost of health care. They are lowering doctors' fees and cutting patients' while their CEOs are lining their pockets.

My husband, who is an ophthalmologist , performed an eye exam that revealed the patient had a torn retina. He treated the tear with a laser and billed the insurance for $800.00. They mailed him a check for $5.74!
 
 
-1 # JoAnnCr 2011-08-17 05:51
When the government is required to pay for emergency room care, they should have some recourse to make everyone pay something.

Unfortunately, the spineless wimp we have for a president won't go there or follow the wise advice of Robert Reich.
 
 
+1 # AVehar544 2011-08-17 14:21
I agree with Medicare for All. However, rather than payroll taxes (workers then would be paying for non-workers, which politically may cause a backlash), why not a value-added or national sales tax on everything SOLD in this Country? Here are the advantages: If it is made in Japan and sold HERE, the tax is assessed, but if it is made here and sold in Japan, no tax. Helps balance of trade and doesn't encourage out-sourcing. Second, by putting the tax on everything BOUGHT here, it spreads the cost to everyone, including undocumented workers. So, this lessens any complaints about undocumented workers getting coverage. Third, I would extend Medicare for All for all health problems, regardless of the reason for the health problem. So, Medicare for All would cover work-related medical costs, car accidents, malpractice, etc. (Of course, workers comp would still cover the non-medical losses, such as lost time, loss of leg, etc.; similar for other torts). Thus, this should reduce litigation for medical costs and reduce workers comp, malpractice insurance, etc. To the extent that a national sales tax, or VAT, is regressive, that can be addressed through some sort of rebate. Isn't that better than a payroll tax to finance it?
 
 
+1 # Wolfchen 2011-08-17 15:25
Medicare for All could, indeed, result in additional saving as to the duplicative medical cost provisions contained in the multiple forms of insurance such as auto, homeowners and liability policies. Such savings would be in addition to the savings that would be inherent in a Universal Single Payer Health Care system. Of course, the Republicans and other profiteering politicians don't want the public to know about these cost effective realities. When they come your way, let them know that your dogs are trained to pee on dim-witted scarecrows.
 
 
+2 # brianf 2011-08-18 06:49
These people saying Medicare for All would raise taxes - well duh! But if you add up all the health insurance premiums, copays, deductibles, and all the things private health insurance won't pay for, Medicare for All would be a HUGE savings overall. Those are the simple facts, and nothing you say can contradict them. All if all it would save people TONS of money. The proof is in the countries who already have such a system, who pay maybe a third what we pay in this country for health care, and who are healthier too! That is the reality. The only way to come to the conclusion that Medicare for All would cost more is to ignore some of the facts.
 
 
+2 # joey 2011-08-19 13:46
there is a saying in the insurance business: WE DON'T MAKE MONEY OFF SICK PEOPLE, JUST THE HEALTHY ONES. this is why medicare suffers a bit. by the time we are 65, WE'RE ALL SICK. we need some (a lot) of healthy people in medicare, like EVERYONE!!!!!!! !
 
 
+1 # bikewriter 2011-08-23 08:11
They could have easily gotten around the constitutionali ty of the mandate issue, by making it a payroll tax, like Medicare is now, and then, if necessary, outsource the program's operation to whoever is in the best position to manage it efficiently.
 

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