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Mukherjee writes: "In an interview with NPR, Whole Foods CEO and self-professed libertarian John Mackey revived his previous criticism of Obamacare - but this time, with a new twist."

John Mackey, the CEO of Whole Foods. (photo: Whole Foods)
John Mackey, the CEO of Whole Foods. (photo: Whole Foods)


Whole Foods CEO: Obamacare Is 'Like Fascism'

By Sy Mukherjee, ThinkProgress

17 January 13

 

n an interview with NPR, Whole Foods CEO and self-professed libertarian John Mackey revived his previous criticism of Obamacare - but this time, with a new twist. While Mackey incorrectly denounced the landmark health reform law as "socialism" in a controversial 2009 Wall Street Journal op-ed, the multimillionaire CEO has revised his assessment and now considers Obamacare - also incorrectly - to be closer to "fascism":

"Technically speaking, it's more like fascism. Socialism is where the government owns the means of production. In fascism, the government doesn't own the means of production, but they do control it, and that's what's happening with our healthcare programs and these reforms."

Although fascist nations do often control their "means of production," Mackey seems to have forgotten that they usually utilize warfare, forced mass mobilization of the public, and politically-motivated violence against their own peoples to achieve their ends. By contrast, Obamacare regulates some of the insurance industry's shoddiest practices and imposes a small tax penalty on Americans who refuse to purchase government-subsidized private insurance.

That hasn't stopped other conservative critics of Obamacare from making similar statements. In 2011, former Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum decried that America was falling into the throes of fascism, and that the health reform law was the "final death knell."


 

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-143 # Michael_K 2013-01-17 11:12
Oh Sy! You crack me up! Even as you typed: "Although fascist nations do often control their "means of production," Mackey seems to have forgotten that they usually utilize warfare, forced mass mobilization of the public, and politically-mot ivated violence against their own peoples to achieve their ends" You had to realise that - while not particularly accurate about Obamacare (which is actually a gift to the insurance industry) - it is pretty damened accurate a picture of Obama's America!
 
 
-107 # JTHinSD 2013-01-17 14:54
Hear hear!
 
 
-22 # Jonathan Levy 2013-01-17 15:05
Yes, these Obama tools on here forget about Bradley Manning and the unprecedented whistleblower squashing Obama has perpetrated. They forget Obama has said not a word of Manning's punishment before his trial. They forget of his Afghan war expansion, which is every bit as pointless and useless as the Iraq war, drones being set up for use against us, NDAA.
 
 
+48 # CharlieL 2013-01-17 15:47
Quoting Jonathan Levy:
They forget Obama has said not a word of Manning's punishment before his trial.


Wrong on this. Obama actually DID say something. He declared Manning "guilty" in advance of trial. With the retributional strength and inherent credibility of the office of POTUS, a "fair" trial is now utterly impossible.
 
 
-42 # RLF 2013-01-17 15:09
Mike K...I just gave you a thumbs up and it registered as a thumbs down...go figure!
 
 
+36 # Doubter 2013-01-17 16:45
You simply figure that two people gave it a thumbs down while you were giving it your up. Happens all the time and people keep blaming RSN.
 
 
+1 # flippancy 2013-01-19 22:54
Quoting Doubter:
You simply figure that two people gave it a thumbs down while you were giving it your up. Happens all the time and people keep blaming RSN.


You have to forgive conservatives. They are wired in such a way as to disbelieve truth that doesn't favor their positions but to believe lies that do, no matter how absurd those lies are. Had I known when I was in high school I'd have only gone out with Republican girls since they seem to believe the most ridiculous lies. ;o)
 
 
-54 # WestWinds 2013-01-17 18:06
RSN is rigged, like everything else in this country today. But what does it matter? Everyone has been so dumbed down they can't tell the difference between right and wrong, truth or baloney just so long as the ends justify the means and they get to deal and steal what they want.
 
 
+50 # Bodoc 2013-01-17 15:20
Amazing that Mackey doesn't sound terribly alarmed by the fascistic, drone deploying Obama. After all, Mackey has identified himself as a subversive to the "regime".

Mackeys talking ponts are ..."a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
 
 
-10 # WestWinds 2013-01-17 18:03
Spot-on, Michael_K.
 
 
+12 # Matt_OccupyEarth 2013-01-18 04:17
Right, and Mackey is saying that Obamacare is fascistic, not any of the actual fascism that is more inherent in the American political system than specific to Obama. It is not helpful to agree with people when they accuse the government of fascism for all the wrong reasons.
 
 
+33 # rockieball 2013-01-18 07:28
"Fascism could be more appropriately be called Corporatism, because it is a marriage of corporate power with government control." Mussolini Also it's called THE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE ACT, not Obama care. CEO's are trying to scare the public by saying they will have to layoff works, or cut back hours, or raise prices. Well take a look at the past years they did that anyway just to get a larger bonus check in their pocket.
 
 
+14 # bmiluski 2013-01-18 10:19
Still waiting for the forced mass mobilization of the public.
 
 
+24 # PGreen 2013-01-18 11:03
Since the alternative we were left with (thanks to Obama's refusal to consider single-payer or even a public option) was "Obamacare" or letting people die on the street, the program represents a marginal improvement. What we should not do is consider the issue resolved. Efficient, uncomplicated, affordable healthcare, guaranteed for all Americans, needs to be fought for, and we are a long way from that achievement. It is, of course, reasonable and doable. The next big issue may be allowing states Obamacare exemptions to enact Medicare for all. (I think there are several states that wish to do this.) Supposedly provision is made for state exemptions in the program.
It is the insurance industry lobby that needs to be fought.
 
 
0 # Cassandra2012 2013-01-20 13:50
Exactly!
 
 
+211 # Kayjay 2013-01-17 11:54
Yes, John, there is fascism controlling our health care system. But it's not Obamacare. No our access to healthcare is guarded by the corporate bottom line. My sister took my dad to the hospital after a fall, and was disgusted by the new make over on the place. She spotted flat screen TVS on many a wall, plush appointments and a feeling she was in Nordstroms, and not a place to promote healing. Alas.... the healthcare industry has hijacked our access to better health, all in the name of their profits.
 
 
+34 # WestWinds 2013-01-17 18:12
Just like all of the products we are being sold these days, they think they can put pretty packaging on trash and we won't know the difference. These new "Regional Medical Centers" are nothing but re-packaged HMO's. They were trash back in the 1970's and 80's and they are trash today. But, hey, this is America and as long as people continue to ignore reality, the corporations continue to be dipped in champagne and chocolate.
 
 
+155 # MsAnnaNOLA 2013-01-17 12:01
Look the f word is explosive, but on the same pages that publish articles about how Aaron Schwartz was railroaded for a minor infraction while the culprits responsible for the financial meltdown and foreclosure fraud walk free you can't sit here and argue that we don't have a fascism here in America.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/15575-aaron-swartz-prosecutors-need-to-be-held-accountable

Bottom line is our version of America, as many of us now experience it, has many features of fascism as it has been historically known. It may not have outward violence on a mass scale, but after seeing the police state crack down on Occupy it is hard to argue that mass violence against the people is not possible. It is hard to argue it would not happen if unrest were to break out on a mass scale. I would argue the only reason it has not happened is because the masses are so busy trying to attain the American dream and most of the media is busy distracting them with coverage of nonsense like the Kardashians while in the background our civil rights are being eroded. Waking up to the reality that the government knows everything about everyone is pretty scary when you also think about what kind of power they have of selective prosecution and persecution. Freedom is starting to look a lot like a right reserved for corporate persons. I would argue that is fascism.
 
 
+61 # MainStreetMentor 2013-01-17 12:19
I think your example/definit ion of fascism is on target. I agree with you, MsAnnaNOLA!
 
 
+78 # harbormon 2013-01-17 14:49
I agree almost completely with your thesis, MsAnnaNOLA, only disagreeing on your point that WE are too busy chasing the "American Dream," when in fact we are merely trying to survive being disenfranchised of our civil rights along with our loss of place in a socioeconomic order that no longer values our role in the republic.
 
 
+51 # MsAnnaNOLA 2013-01-17 16:19
The less fortunate are trying to survive. The rest are easily distracted and or not paying attention or are paying attention to the wrong thing.
 
 
+24 # WestWinds 2013-01-17 18:15
Let's face it, this country has a Honey Boo Boo mentality and this is why we are in such trouble.
 
 
+27 # Jonathan Levy 2013-01-17 15:07
Indeed
 
 
+48 # RLF 2013-01-17 15:11
I don't know your situation but I'm busy trying to work enough that I don't lose my house like the health insurance I've never had.
 
 
+26 # eric_frodsham 2013-01-17 15:39
Well put.
 
 
+35 # Mannstein 2013-01-17 19:33
I lived in a fascist country and guess what? They had universal health care with a one payer system and it was great. If you wanted to buy aditional private insurance that was also available at a reasonable cost. Come to think of it I also lived in Australia which is not fascist by any stretch of the imagination and they had a similar system.
 
 
+12 # stannadel 2013-01-18 03:05
Of course the universal health care system in that fascist country was created long before the fascists took over, and other fascist countries had no such health care systems. So as Mannstein implies the health care system has nothing to do with fascism.
 
 
+7 # bmiluski 2013-01-18 10:22
So I guess universal health care is NOT a fascist idea.......yes?
 
 
+196 # jmac9 2013-01-17 12:55
corporate "health insurance" companies are fascism.

You pay your monthly premium - to the for profit 'health insurance' scam - and they use your money to invest it in stocks, bonds, hedge funds, etc. for their profit.
The game is to use your money for their investment profit - and profit is the game not you getting 'health care'.

'Health insurance' criminals make up the language and rules - so that they don't have to pay out to you and lose those profits they're making. Profit is more important than you.

'pre-existing conditions' - of course you have them - when you were born you came with them.

Health care is your right not the psychopathic republican rant that it's a privilege.

All of you will need health care at some time in your life. It comes with the territory of being human.

If you are a country, a community of citizens, then you recognize health care as a necessity for all the citizens.

It's a great profession; aiding your fellow humans with regaining and maintaining health and it's a massive employer as well.

Health care should be the focus not the waste and health destruction of military spending.

If you make health care access based upon money, profit, class status, then you are fascist and you have no country.
 
 
+35 # leedeegirl 2013-01-17 15:24
jmac9: spot on!!
 
 
+19 # MsAnnaNOLA 2013-01-17 16:36
I agree. I must say I am so confused in general by the things voted up and down here. This great comment got voted up while similar comments singling out Obama are voted down. We do ourselves a disservice when we fall into these traps. We are one USA and we all should be living by the same rules. This applies to all parties and administrations .
 
 
+9 # WestWinds 2013-01-17 18:16
Exactly, jmac9, exactly!
 
 
+16 # Lowflyin Lolana 2013-01-17 19:51
Yep. Fascism is being forced to deal with issues of life and death over the phone.

At least Obama's plan would finally put health records into a database where they belong. As it is, it's now way too easy for "health care" companies to lose your paperwork, and doctors can't communicate amongst each other without some way of linking up the records.
But the main thing is that we should not be forced to deal with these issues on the phone, working through phone trees, with people who are limited in the amount of time they can spend to help you, who get financial incentives for denying care. That is fascism.
 
 
-59 # Martintfre 2013-01-17 14:35
fascism is a corporate - government coop where governemnt picks winners and losers in the corporate world either by companies and or industries and Obama certainly is providing a huge boost to corporate health insurance.

add to that Obama's bailouts of the financial industry clearly he is the biggest fascist the world has ever seen
 
 
-7 # CAMUS1111 2013-01-17 15:25
goose stepper
 
 
-4 # Martintfre 2013-01-19 14:31
Quoting CAMUS1111:
goose stepper

Yes,
Obama and his minions do fit that profile.
 
 
+3 # flippancy 2013-01-19 22:58
Quoting Martintfre:
fascism is a corporate - government coop where governemnt picks winners and losers in the corporate world either by companies and or industries and Obama certainly is providing a huge boost to corporate health insurance.

add to that Obama's bailouts of the financial industry clearly he is the biggest fascist the world has ever seen


And you may be the least credible person the world has ever seen. And the bailout began under Bush.
 
 
+3 # SusanT136 2013-01-20 07:21
Quoting Martintfre:
fascism is a corporate - government coop where governemnt picks winners and losers in the corporate world either by companies and or industries and Obama certainly is providing a huge boost to corporate health insurance.


ANd I suppose you were just as irate about the bank bailouts under Bush, the Medicare Part D Drug Plan that Congress and Bush passed that was written by drug company lobbyists, and please tell me are you equally outraged by the corporate welfare in the form of subsidies given to oil/gas companies which the Repubs in Congress refused to eliminate?

I suspect no - because somehow it's all about Obama. All that other stuff doesn't count.
 
 
+146 # MADASHELL 2013-01-17 14:42
How interesting that the CEO of Whole Foods, who's customer base is largely Progressive, should describe Obamacare, as fascist. I will certainly never shop at Whole Foods again, even though I am a fanatic about organic produce. John Mackey is entitled to his point of view, erroneous as I think it may be, but many of his core base, entitled as well to their own point of view, may decide, as I have, that we don't wish to patronize his stores. We may be hopeless idealists, but we are definitely principled.
 
 
+67 # giraffee2012 2013-01-17 16:03
MADASHELL = I also won't shop WFoods - Trader Joe's and other stores are now carrying many ORGANICS also.
 
 
+77 # mitchell donian 2013-01-17 16:09
Mackey was instrumental along with Monsanto and Du Pont in defeating California Prop 37 whose purpose was to identify GM foods for consumers. Mackey obviously does not thinking you should know about the food you consume.
 
 
+1 # bmiluski 2013-01-18 10:25
I don't agree with Mackey on a lot of points, however, YOU ARE WRONG.....He worked FOR Prop 37. And he strongly believes in transparency when it comes to food products.
 
 
+71 # ladypyrates 2013-01-17 14:45
Mackey a Libertarian??? It didn't seem that way when he engaged in all manner of lying and back stabbing in denying his customers the choice of buying Organic Pastures fresh milk.
 
 
+44 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-01-17 14:48
From whistle blower Wendell Potter's Deadly Spin" p.7:

"...the industry's spin worked as intended. The new law does NOT include the public option the president once said was essential "to keep the insurance companies honest" - and it DOES include a provision that candidate Obama was adamantly opposed to: a mandate that all Americans not eligible for an existing public program buy coverage from a private insurer.

Candidate Obama said during the campaign that he did not think people should be forced to buy insurance they could not afford.

The insurance industry and many members of Congress persuaded President Obama to change his mind. As a result, insurers will get billions of dollars in new revenues from people required by law to buy their products and billions more from the government to subsidize premiums for people who can't afford them..."
 
 
+107 # Barbara K 2013-01-17 14:50
Whole Foods thinks Obamacare is Fascism? Denying us Health Care is what is real fascism.

.
 
 
+114 # michelle 2013-01-17 14:51
Whole Foods added to list of places I will not patronize. Push back with your dollars.
 
 
+87 # sailorrog 2013-01-17 14:52
Evidently the CEO of "Whole Paycheck", who may be brilliant at marketing organic everything, is a political cretin. If everyone who threw around condemnatory terms like "socialism", "Fascism", "Stalinism" and other heavyweight political rhetoric were laid end to end they would reach nearer and nearer to coast to coast. And they would do a lot less damage just lying there than they would making fools of themselves pontificating in the national media while poisoning the political atmosphere of our increasingly fragile democracy. It's not Obama that is the problem; it's the Tea Party, Libertarian and other fringe cretins who are the problem. If you are "mad as hell and not going to take it anymore" I suggest you move to Argentina where you would be happier among the few real remaining Nazis. The political atmosphere here would certainly improve tremendously. Thank you.
 
 
+24 # suzyskier 2013-01-17 18:53
Thank you Sailorrog!

You said it perfectly. Seems funny to me that those that cry Fascism here are more likely to be Fascists themselves. They need to check a good dictonary instead of throwing about terms they don't know the definition of, oops ended on a preposition.
 
 
+118 # PrimatePrincess 2013-01-17 15:06
Well, Mr. Mackey, you just started something I suspect you will not like. I love Whole Foods, but will stop patronizing your stores for such a reprehensible characterizatio n of the President's Health Care Program.

If you believe that there is no such thing as a greater good, and that corporate America has no responsibility in return for such amazing opportunity, then you have lost my vote (my dollars).

How ironic that your store appeals to people who are socially conscious. Your own audience will largely feel differently about you and your product. Go it alone if that's what you so clearly want.
 
 
+65 # RLF 2013-01-17 15:08
Fascism is insisting that the free market is the best way to regulate things like health care and then spending billions of dollars to control legislation that gives you a monopoly. What a Dick!
 
 
+111 # wwway 2013-01-17 15:08
Well, I guess I won't be checking out Whole Foods in Roseville, CA after this.
A gentleman delivered wood to our place today. He has a cancerous growth behind one ear. We know it's cancer because of experience. He doesn't have health insurance because he got laid off 4 years ago and his wife doesn't have health insurance where she works because they keep hours below 40 so benefits are never provided. This is not going to bode well for this family, I fear.
Not haveing access to health care is pre-meditated murder as far as I'm concerned.
 
 
+27 # Rita Walpole Ague 2013-01-17 19:46
wwway, jiggle my memory you did. Prior to the 2012 elections, a poor, dear fellow opened up to me re. the hell he's going through - dying with cancer, and no availability to get treatment, since he is unemployed and has been for some time. I gave him a hug and my deepest sympathy, explaining to him that with dual citizenship, Irish and U.S., I was more aware than most of my U.S. sisters and brothers, what healthcare should and does look like in every other advanced country in the world. He and I both agreed we are ASHAMED TO BE AN AMERICAN

I promised to keep him in my heart and prayers, and promised him I'd keep on opening my mouth and blogging for HEALTHCARE NOT WARFARE.

Healthcare for all = socialism? Sorry, but I honestly believe such care is more truthfully labeled as humanitarianism , pointed out to us emphatically as the way to go by an extremely humanitarian man/God named Jesus.

And then there's the example that beloved Jesus set for us all, when he booted the money grabbers out of the temple. Lots and lots of such corporate, money grabbing temples we've got these so troubled days, including it appears, an eating temple called Whole Foods.
 
 
+85 # X Dane 2013-01-17 15:14
T party people were screaming, before the law was passed. That there would be death panels?? That's what we have now.

Insurance companies will let you die when they refuse to pay for life saving measures, because other people have to make a profit of the insurance. TOTALLY IMMORAL. Health insurance should never be for profit.

John Mackey is a royal fake. The products in his stores are quite a bit more expensive, than products from other supermarkets, because they supposedly are wholesome and organic.

WEEEELL read carefully. Some frozen vegetables are from CHINA??? If you believe they are organic,...I have some swampland for you.

He may be one of the employers cutting employee's hours so he doesn't have to pay for health insurance. He need some ore millions.
 
 
+1 # SusanT136 2013-01-20 07:26
Quoting X Dane:
John Mackey is a royal fake. The products in his stores are quite a bit more expensive, than products from other supermarkets, because they supposedly are wholesome and organic.

WEEEELL read carefully. Some frozen vegetables are from CHINA??? If you believe they are organic,...I have some swampland for you.


Whole Foods was also one of the Big "Natural" Food companies who wanted to make a "truce" with GMO's and stop fighting to get them labeled. He's a right wing kook who identifies himself as a libertarian.

"CEO John Mackey has reportedly claimed that "the jury is still out" on whether genetically engineered crops and foods are unhealthy for people or the environment. (Mackey also has statedhttp://ww w.newyorker.com "no scientific consensus exists" to support global warming or climate change)."

http://www.naturalnews.com/037478_whole_foods_gmo_truth.html#ixzz2IWuFcrGm
 
 
+47 # Sallyport 2013-01-17 15:20
If you heard the interview on NPR, you probably noticed that this guy, Mackey, doesn't regard his own program of forcing his idea of proper eating on everyone else as fascistic. It all depends on whose ox is &c.
 
 
+52 # mitchell donian 2013-01-17 16:14
Mackey was instrumental along with Monsanto and Du Pont in defeating California Prop 37 which would have let you know if a product was Genetically Modified. Fascism is in Mackey's genes as well as in his vocabulary.
 
 
+24 # Street Level 2013-01-17 20:19
Shop at New Leaf Market if you have one in your neck of the woods. New Leaf beats Half Foods and openly supported Prop 37.
New Leaf's website even educates people about GMO's and how to avoid them.
Half Foods would never take such a position.
 
 
+79 # uncbros 2013-01-17 15:21
Here we go again another greedy Boob using attacks on Obama to justify not paying his employees a fair living wage or descent healthcare.Boob how much money do you need. Before you feel obligated to return some to the common good of the country ,employees or just out of the kindness of your stone heart.Give a little back.You didn't do it on your own no one does. Come out of your fantasy land and just realize you were one lucky Son of a Bitch to have what you have and those you would deny helped you get there.
 
 
-25 # Sharpone 2013-01-17 15:21
Employers should not be able to buy health insurance for employess. Everyone should be allowed and required to get their own health insurance. Changing jobs should have nothing to do with health insurance unless your employer gives you a voucher to help pay for it.
 
 
+16 # Mannstein 2013-01-17 19:37
Insurance companies are out to make profits and nothing more. Under your scenario try getting insurance as an individual if you have a pre existing condition. No don't even try telling me having a pre existing condition is one own's fault as some right wing turkeys claim.
 
 
+4 # X Dane 2013-01-18 14:04
Mannstein.
Being a MOTHER...If you have given birth to a child...you have a preexisting condition....If you have been treated for skin problems...You guessed it,..another preexisting condition, any other minor thing will prevent you from getting insurance, if you were to try to get it on your own.

With the new Affordable Care Act, (Obama Care) you will not be excluded. They have to take you...BUT you still may not be able to afford it. I do not know if you can get any help, (monetary)
 
 
+42 # MidwestDick 2013-01-17 15:22
Whole Paycheck: The only supermarket that has a mortgage broker to service the checkout line.
 
 
+12 # X Dane 2013-01-17 20:30
MidwestDick.

That is what my son in Law calls it too.
You may have read my comment above about this exploiter. He really takes the cake.
 
 
+58 # humanmancalvin 2013-01-17 15:32
Bye bye shopping at Whole Foods. It is that simple.
 
 
+23 # Mannstein 2013-01-17 19:40
Here here, this is the last time I set foot in that turkey's store.
 
 
+56 # baldyc76 2013-01-17 15:32
It looks to me as the big time healthy Whole Foods doesn't want to cover the employees with the insurance. It might hurt the PROFITS!!!! I no longer will frequent Whole Foods.
 
 
+48 # Clementine 2013-01-17 15:34
Guess what John Mackey? You chump, you just lost another customer.
What a jerk!
Isn't there anyone decent left in corporate America? Or is that too much to hope for?
Can't wait to leave this godforsaken country.
 
 
-39 # eric_frodsham 2013-01-17 15:34
Anything that is forced by the government (even cheap health insurance) is socialism. He is correct in saying that government is (or is trying) to control what happens with health care. Mackey does take pretty good care of his employees too, which should be noted.
 
 
+40 # The Ice Maiden 2013-01-17 18:06
Who cares what label you put on it?
Social security is DEFINITELY socialism
Medicare is DEFINITELY socialism
Medicaid is DEFINITELY socialism
Most of the laws that protect the general public can arguably be considered socialism, but I seriously doubt any of us would want to get rid of all of them.
Calling something socialism seems to be the current conservative response to any change that benefits someone other than the wealthy or the extremely lucky.
 
 
+7 # bmiluski 2013-01-18 10:31
Social Security is INSURANCE. Your premium payment is taken out of you paycheck. That, my dear, IS NOT SOCIALISM.
 
 
+5 # zornorff 2013-01-19 07:51
Corporate welfare is also socialism, although I don't think those who benefit from it(Exxon, GE with no taxes, etc) understand that.
 
 
+1 # Cassandra2012 2013-01-20 14:04
Having Firefighters (and Police, and Teachers and ...) service everyone in a community regardless of economic (or social) position is ---
(drumroll) "SOCIALISM"!!!

OMG run for the hills!
 
 
+12 # The Ice Maiden 2013-01-17 18:13
So what?
Who cares what label you put on it?
Social Security is socialism. Do you want to get rid of that, too?
Medicare is socialism. Do you want to get rid of that, too?
Medicaid is socialism
I could go on and on. Why don't you judge the change on its merits?
 
 
+16 # WestWinds 2013-01-17 18:29
Eric, take your head out of the echo chamber and get a life. You are so far off the mark it's appalling. You haven't been paying attention and you haven't done the necessary reading to know what's really going on. Get a subscription to Truthout then wake up and smell the Starbucks.
 
 
+24 # suzyskier 2013-01-17 19:03
Quoting eric_frodsham:
Anything that is forced by the government (even cheap health insurance) is socialism. He is correct in saying that government is (or is trying) to control what happens with health care. Mackey does take pretty good care of his employees too, which should be noted.


What?? He takes good care of his employees? I guess your definition of good care is a little different than mine,. I believe he pays them a starting salary of $10.00 an hour, you try to live on that. With such low pay he should buy them health insurance. How many homes and cars does one person need? How about boats, planes etc.
I will never shop in Whole foods again and plan to ask friends not to either. Piggy. If giving health care is socialism I say bring it on! I am sure citizens of northern europe are the lucky ones! The Danes are the happiest people in the world and they have socialism.
 
 
+9 # X Dane 2013-01-18 14:23
suzyskier.
The Danes may not be the HAPPIEST people in the world, but they are content, for middle class people have very good lives. They have nice homes, not lavish mansions but nice and comfortable, and they can take vacations in southern Europe and here.

The child care is for much better than ours, and NOBODY goes bankrupt if they get ill. They are also much better educated than we are here. Again education is free, so nobody starts out with a big debt.

I was in Denmark and Norway last summer, so I did see for myself.

In spite of all that I have lived happily here in California for 53 years
I came at the right time (59) We had not a lavish, but a good life and I built a business, that I gave to my daughter when I retired, So I am one of the lucky ones.
 
 
+27 # LizR 2013-01-17 15:41
Well, let's see, Bush was a fascist who supported torture and war and big business, and...so is Obama. Maybe you should consider getting yourselves a proper democracy, rather than a two-party job that can be hijacked by whoever can get "the best government money can buy" (as Mark Twain put it).

Like a proportional representation system, which encourages small parties, which are then able to grow - if people really support them, that is. Hence here in New Zealand the Green party has around 10-15% of the vote, and a comparable influence on parliament. How is America's equivalent doing, I wonder?
 
 
+17 # WestWinds 2013-01-17 18:33
People here in America are so used to only the two party system that it would be fair to call it "institutionali zed thinking." Never mind that the Green Party has ALL of the platform planks that we all want. Americans are just too afraid to step outside the box. Things aren't bad enough...yet. When they do get bad enough, the Green Party will look like a blessed relief from all of the crooks and liars. I keep telling folks to Occupy the Green Party but so far no one is listening.
 
 
+4 # MsAnnaNOLA 2013-01-18 05:08
Actually the problem is the two parties collude with each other and the media to exclude anyone with alternate views even if they are in a major party. The debates are how most Americans find out about candidates. If you take Buddy Roemer as an example.
 
 
+30 # Alternative 2013-01-17 15:44
Fascism is the current police state we have now bought and paid for by the wealthy and the corporations.

Time for every community to start their own Alternative worker owned organic foods cooperatives. Then these cooperatives can agree to cooperate in purchasing and distribution centers. Other cooperatives can provide IT services and others can provide sales & marketing. Eventually you can have purchasing power for your members to buy their own health insurance from the alternative wellness cooperative. Then you can take all of the money from all of this activity and put it in the cooperative credit union which will be used to finance other cooperatives and mortgages to their members. Then you can start your own cooperative schools that teach healthy sustainable ecological peaceful living and cooperative economics.

Mondragon in the Basque region of Spain did it and it is working phenomenally well.

Real Democracy where it counts, in the work place devoted to high employment in the community instead of absentee shareholders.
 
 
+12 # WestWinds 2013-01-17 18:35
We had a food coop here but the leading chain food store drove it out of business by getting into it and dismantling it from the inside. They don't play fair.
 
 
+24 # 4yourinformation 2013-01-17 15:46
I heard this interview and I basically agree with Mackey's observation. The corporate model in the USA has always needed the federal government to keep sustained. This is a command economy, regardless of what you may think about markets. Chomsky points this out all of the time. It's a semi-free market that punishes the working poor while assisting the rich and technocratic agenda of the corporations. By throwing out single-payer and destroying the Public Option, RomneyCare was implemented with a few good features, but not enough. It still allows a healthy profit for the biggest insurers that will stay standing after the smaller fish are killed off. More concentration of control by the Aetna's et al. The Rx industry totally escaped any regs. This is how fascism is done in America. I remember Chomsky saying another thing, which is true...he said "Fascism doesn't mean Nazis." He meant that it doesn't mean the heavy fist of some Hitlerite type of character. It means when corporations and governments collude to control a market.
 
 
+7 # Smokey 2013-01-17 18:05
[quote name="4yourinfo rmation"] " I remember Chomsky saying another thing, which is true...he said "Fascism doesn't mean Nazis." He meant that it doesn't mean the heavy fist of some Hitlerite type of character. It means when corporations and governments collude to control a market."

Call it "corporate statism," if you like.

Fascism happens when the big corporations own and operate the government. (Although, sometimes, things can get messy. The corporate alliance with Hitler took Germany into the Second World War. The big corporations survived and prospered, but millions of Europeans suffered.)

During the early 1800s, Alexis De Tocquevelle talked about the ways in which manufacturers might be able to take control of the USA. (That was before the rise of the big financial institutions that dominate today's USA.)

Universal health care? Bismarck promoted the idea in a big way. The first goal is keep the labor force and the military healthy. Just like Farmer Brown cares for his cattle.

In modern times, a new goal has been added. "Keep the profits flowing for the big hospitals, the big drug companies, and the other big money interests that profit from health care."
 
 
0 # Cassandra2012 2013-01-20 14:08
"Fascism should rather be called corporatism, as it is the merging of government and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini
 
 
+41 # Vardoz 2013-01-17 15:50
So all the rest of the developed and even some non- devloped nations provide universal health care to their people because they get that it is an essential life support service. But here, where our insurance companies make gigantic profits off the sick any avenue for more people to get health care is called facism. We have become a pathetic nation! All other developed nations also have affordable or free college but here where we now have a trillion in student debt and our govt still doesn't think that our future is worth investing in! The trouble is we are sooooo steeped in corruption from big money that the health, safety and welfare of the people are at the bottom of the list of priorities. Remind me never to shop at whole foods again.
 
 
+23 # LML 2013-01-17 15:52
For another insight into Whole Foods and its reprehensible methods to crush its competition here in Portland, OR see:
http://newseasonsmarket.blogspot.com/2008/11/were-just-trying-to-mind-our-own-local.html
 
 
+28 # Billo 2013-01-17 15:54
If Mackey has a problem with having to pony up more money for the Affordable Care Act, I can sympathize. Why should healthcare be the responsibility of businesses? Why are we the only industrialized country in the world using this stupid model?

So lets just go straight to single a payer healthcare system and take this big burden off of Mackey and other busnisses.
 
 
+8 # The Ice Maiden 2013-01-17 17:59
Exactly right, Billo!
 
 
+8 # LML 2013-01-17 20:20
Yes, above all let's protect the profits of poor innocent Mackey!

But while we are waiting for universal healthcare, maybe the question should be why shouldn't Mackey pay a little bit more so that his workers have better healthcare?

If he were rational and not greedy, Mackey could be working to get universal healthcare for everyone and in the process removing some of the burden from his company, but somehow I think his only interest is to cut his own expenses....
 
 
+32 # gclark 2013-01-17 16:04
Somehow Whole Foods freshness and its CEO don't go together now that I know of his non-support of our President-looks like I will be taking my business elsewhere !
 
 
+19 # The Ice Maiden 2013-01-17 17:58
my thinking exactly, gclark!
I can find good food elsewhere. And I will
 
 
+34 # The Ice Maiden 2013-01-17 16:14
We're the richest nation on the planet, and somehow it's wrong to expect our country to take care of its citizens? A country IS its citizens! We need mandatory, universal health care for every citizen, period. PERIOD. Otherwise we're left with the current unconscionable haphazard "protection" that protects the wealthy and the lucky and the very very responsible, but throws the unlucky, the poor, and the risk-takers under the bus. Mind you, I am tempted to cheer when you throw the educated risk-takers under the bus, but if I did that, how would I face the spouses and kids left behind to fend for themselves?

Get over it, CEOs. We need mandatory, universal health insurance so you employers don't get to control who gets to live or get proper care.
 
 
+1 # X Dane 2013-01-18 14:47
The Ice Maiden.
I agree with you, and I think I know who you mean with "risk-takers" the ones who destroyed our economy....But anybody who goes out on a limb and starts a business is a risk-taker... I know I did it...I worked hard and I was also lucky.

So I think we should differentiate between greedy no conscience risk takers, and people who start businesses big and small.
 
 
+29 # Cappucino 2013-01-17 16:18
Well, one thing would happen if employers never offered health insurance: all criticism of the health care bill by working people would IMMEDIATELY stop. A lot of people who have employer-provid ed insurance simply have no idea of how incredibly blessed they are. I've seen the figures. Literally half of the U.S. population would be considered to have a "pre-existing condition" and would not be able to buy health insurance on the open market as it is now. That includes 25% of all children and around 1/3rd of all twenty-somethin gs.

There are times when I've been so exhausted by the insurance nightmare that I just wish a pre-existing condition on people who are ignorant enough to criticize the health care bill. Nobody can understand what's that like until they've been through it. They'd understand it then. But I can't wish that on anyone.
 
 
+24 # lamancha 2013-01-17 17:06
Whole Foods is a joke! It's been found that 75% of it's foods are laden with GMO's. Their "fresh fish" - including salmon - are farm raised. Their salad bar is laden with heavy amounts of salt; their vitamins - almost every last one of them - contain non-vegetarian magnesium stearate and noxious fillers. Who is this guy to sound off - he's just a corporate swine, beholden to the bottom line.
 
 
+29 # reiverpacific 2013-01-17 17:07
I just wish all these clowns -including some of you who post here- would go and live in a truly Fascist State as I have in Franco's Spain, Suharto's Indonesia and Stroessner's Paraguay before they begin bloviation and throwing the term about like verbal confetti.
I despise the US health non-care system -it's the main reason I've never become a citizen- but Obama is the first to accomplish anything in the face of Libertarian and Rethuglican opposition, the next logical step being Universal Coverage.
That would REALLY set then off!
So all these European and Latin countries, Australia, New Zealand, S. Korea, Singapore, Canada and so many others are "Fascist" eh?
And BTW, I'm a small business owner and struggling like Hell; I'd much rather that Universal coverage be seen what it could be which would be a small tax (yes TAX) taken from the wages of every one working -like S.S. which my wife and I are very grateful for right now- so everybody else is covered. That would take the burden of paying premiums to for-profit big insurance and pharma for themselves employees.
Anybody who can't work that out needs to be mentally treated.
And in all the countries with universal coverage, private insurance is still available (but gets you no better medical treatment) and small luxuries like private rooms and different food can be paid by national health patients -as my aunt used to do.
Ignorance might be bliss but it's also rife in the USA.
 
 
+25 # Billbb 2013-01-17 17:10
A fool and his mind are long parted. In Mackey's case, his heart is absent, too.
 
 
+18 # upWising 2013-01-17 17:25
I will continue to shop at Whole Foods as always. From now own, I will put lots of frozen food on the bottom, wander all over the store (for a good mix) and fill my shopping cart(s) to the brim. Then I will put my letter to Mr. Clueless Mackey on top, park the cart in the aisle, and walk out. Putting all the food back will create lots of extra work for Whole Foods workers (overtime!!!) who are innocent in all of this. It will hit Mr. Clueless in his bottom line where (perhaps) he has feelings (since he is obviously without conscience or moral rudder).

Be a SECRET SHOPPER : Shop And Walk (Don't Forget Your Letter)> Shop OFTEN!!!
 
 
+3 # Smokey 2013-01-19 07:55
[quote name="upWising" ] "I will continue to shop at Whole Foods as always. From now own, I will put lots of frozen food on the bottom, wander all over the store (for a good mix) and fill my shopping cart(s) to the brim. Then I will put my letter to Mr. Clueless Mackey on top, park the cart in the aisle, and walk out. Putting all the food back will create lots of extra work for Whole Foods workers (overtime!!!) who are innocent in all of this."

Hmmmmm..... Looks like a Saul Alinsky tactic.... Might work at Wal-Mart and at a few other places.
 
 
+12 # Smokey 2013-01-17 17:42
Whole Foods? I've never understood why "liberals" are so delighted with this big corporation. In some ways, it's no better than Wal-Mart.

Whole Foods offers some top products at some top prices. However, in terms of community involvement and labor practices, Whole Foods and Wal-Mart are "rich sister and poor sister." They're both from the same family and - aside from cosmetics - they're much the same.

Poor folks usually shop at Wal-Mart. Better access, if you're living in a typical low-income neighborhood, and better prices.
 
 
0 # bmiluski 2013-01-18 10:36
Wal-mart has forced American manufacturing companies to manufacture the products they sell to Wal-Mart in China. Thus closing mfg. plants here and forcing thousands of people out of jobs. I don't believe Whole Foods has done that.
 
 
0 # Smokey 2013-01-19 07:29
Hmmmmm.... And where does Whole Foods purchase its fancy imports?

Do those extra travel costs - so that North American consumers can enjoy fresh strawberries in January - contribute to global warming? What are the labor practices like in Latin America?
 
 
+17 # zornorff 2013-01-17 17:43
Another rich man with diarreah of the mouth. Remember Henry Ford?
 
 
+17 # ghostperson 2013-01-17 17:54
As said by one fascist to one he accuses of bearing that label.

Our police state was the creature of the Patriot Act that most members of Congress signed without reading it in a knee-jerk reflexive reaction to 9/11 and the mythical "war on terror" that has at all times been a hollow mantra used to frighten the masses into embracing a fascist state.

To Wholefoods CEO, I state: "Takes one to recognize it, n'est-ce pas? Even if the recognition is a subjective allusion.

I blame Obama for not dismantling what the Bush-Cheney co-residency set in motion in goose-step reaction to neo-con propaganda and hysterics.
 
 
-11 # jazzman633 2013-01-17 18:10
Mackey, whose stores pander to every New Age whim and myth, ought to be a Rob Reiner liberal. In any event, he uses inflammatory words like "socialism" and "fascism" to overstate -- by FAR -- the case against Obamacare. He thus loses the argument and gives libertarianism a bad name.

Nothing in the Constitution about govt. taking over health care. That's where libertarians like me are coming from. Sure, we need govt. to regulate fraud. But wherever it's possible that private means might solve a problem, let's try that first.
 
 
+9 # GGmaw 2013-01-18 05:28
Private health care IS THE PROBLEM. The insurance companies work for PROFIT - not health care.
 
 
+3 # bmiluski 2013-01-18 10:37
Um, we have been using private means (insurance companies) to solve the problem of health care. And how has that turned out for us?
 
 
+2 # Smokey 2013-01-19 07:49
[quote name= "Nothing in the Constitution about govt. taking over health care. That's where libertarians like me are coming from. Sure, we need govt. to regulate fraud. But wherever it's possible that private means might solve a problem, let's try that first."

(Cough, cough.) We're in the midst of a major flu epidemic. A good time to talk about public health and government involvement in health care.

Communicable diseases have been with humanity for a long time. During the George Washington Administration years, the American government took early action to create what (eventually) became the Public Health Service.

Federalists, especially, knew that the control of communicable diseases is essential for interstate trade and the nation's prosperity. Obviously, private medicine, by itself, can't prevent and control epidemics.

By the early 1900s, as modern medicine began to advance in significant ways, more emphasis was placed on creating a healthy labor force and a healthy pool of military recruits. A new job for government.

FOOTNOTE: Much of the government money that goes into breast cancer research and prevention comes from - surprise! - military budgets. Same old story. Uncle Sam wants a healthy military (and healthy workers.)

Government programs for health care? They started with George Washington.
 
 
+11 # carp 2013-01-17 18:55
I don't think that Obamacare is the best plan out there, in fact there are too many flaws. But I am sick and tired of these CEO's that profit off of consumers and then refuse to support the system and reduce the hours of their workers so they can dodge any responsibility for healthcare. Oh Well, I can boycott WholeFoods, Arby's Wendy's the Darden group. doesn't matter to me. I will not support any business that refuses to support their employees.
 
 
+10 # bobby t. 2013-01-17 18:58
I used to think that only teachers think small if at all. I was disgusted by my profession for being anti-intellectu al, teachers damn it!
Here is the thing: the drug companies can price fix, because they do not come under the Sherman anti trust act. The states are required by a nice move long ago, to regulate drug prices. When was the last time you saw price fixing charges against Walgreens or Wal-Mart? In Florida, we have a governor who headed Columbia Hospitals. Check out the fraud against the feds when it came to false medicare claims. It was over a billion dollars and it was never paid back, even when they caught them. Scott said, what me? I no see, I no hear, etc....and that was that. And the brilliant voters in my state make him our leader, our champion.
Remember, if you have what is called single payer (yes, socialized medicine) the government buys the drugs in bulk, saving huge amounts of money making health care so much better for our economy. The GOP and some DEMs are working for the drug companies, and the retail stores they sell to. Me, I hate the retail stores for their price fixing and making people have to decide between meds and eating. We are an ignorant country, and made that way by the people I worked with all my life. Not all of course, but too many.
And by the way, see the movie 1900 if you want to learn about Italian Fascism. great movie and really makes you think. and don't throw isms around unless you know the definitions.
 
 
+9 # whywonder 2013-01-17 19:30
Tell me again why I should care bit what this person thinks? CEO of anything doesn't give license to speak from where he sits. He wouldn't know a fascist if it bit him in the grocery department.
 
 
+11 # hoodwinkednomore 2013-01-17 20:51
Betcha Mr. Whole Paycheck Mackey Millionaire enjoys having his healthcare--why , exactly, shoudn't the rest of us enjoy the same?
 
 
+3 # Lowflyin Lolana 2013-01-17 21:25
Food Ho!
 
 
+6 # tomr 2013-01-17 21:36
People like Mackey, who prioritize making lots of money over everything else, are the ones who end up at the head of corporations, whose purpose is to make lots of money. Then, because of this position, we get to here their opinions in the media, despite the fact that these people are ONLY educated in money-making, and not in political science, history, economics, social science, or anything else at all relevant.
 
 
+7 # Crusader Rabbit 2013-01-17 22:44
Just an FYI on fascism, by a couple of experts.

The preface to Scott Nearing’s 1973 edition, Fascism, summarizes a 6/27/73 article in the NYT by Herbert Marcuse. Nearing points out that Marcuse does not once use the term "fascism" but nevertheless very precisely defines it. Some of the points in Nearingʻs summary (his words):

1) Organized labor poses a threat to the profits and power of big business.
2)Big business turns to the government for protection and assistance.
3) Under the new conditions "the rule of law and the morals of legitimacy" become an obstacle to business and power. At the same time the law no longer protects the weak and helpless. It is weapon wielded by the strong.
4)Public policy is made through conspiratorial agreements among the domestic and international economic and political powers.
5)These forces change the ruling class and modify its activities, at home and abroad.
6) Networks of rackets, cliques and gangs make and break laws as they see fit. The cult of violence takes over and is preached and practiced as entertainment and as the instrument of public policy. Political assassination, power seizure, military preparations and war become the central theme of public policy.

I think Iʻll be shopping a lot more at my local co-op, the Whole Fascist olive bar be dammed.

The original Marcuse article: http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9404E2D6123DE63ABC4F51DFB0668388669EDE&scp=1&sq=Herbert+Marcuse+Law+and+Morality&st=p
 
 
0 # Cassandra2012 2013-01-20 14:16
"Fascism should rather be called corporatism, as it is the merging of government and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini
 
 
+7 # Corazone 2013-01-18 01:05
Most of the comments I've read on this article are so off point it's laughable. First, Mackey has a track record of positions that put him so far to the Right that Reagan would look like a Socialist. Secondly this article almost totally mischaracterize s fascism. Facism does NOT control the means of production -- it is a lethal partnership of a totalitarian government with business where businesses get carte blanche to do what they want (and in Nazi Germany use slave labor) as long as they support government's social and foreign policy. Even American companies like IBM collaborated with and profited from the Nazi Party's control of nearly every aspect of German life. Socialists and communists ended up in labor or death camps. Stealh-fascist- wannabe Mackey like Prescott Bush (and many other corporate leaders in the 30s) would like nothing better than to be able to employ virtual if not actual slave labor. And don't get me started on "Obamacare" which was largely patterned after Romneycare which in turn was first promoted by right-wing think tanks. Please progressives, don't bandy around phrases like "control the means of production" when you seem to be clueless as to what it actually means and have no historical basis on which to make your assertion. Production in Nazi Germany was nearly identical to the cozy relationship between the Pentagon and the defense industry today.
 
 
0 # Cassandra2012 2013-01-20 14:16
yes.
 
 
+8 # tm7devils 2013-01-18 01:27
I feel sorry for any Dem or Ind that works for WF...they're trapped...they hate their boss but like having a job during these times.
The only reason I will go into a WF store is to use the bathroom...but not the toilet!
I hope this info on how he feels goes viral and he loses 30% of his customers...som e people don't know when to keep their mouths shut.
 
 
+6 # Charles3000 2013-01-18 03:41
Here in the USA we do have a very well liked, excellent, fully socialistic medical care system. The government owns all the facilities and employs all the staff including the doctors and they buy meds in bulk at negotiated rates. It is a good system and the patients like it. It is called Veterans Health Care.
 
 
+2 # bmiluski 2013-01-18 10:41
Oh I thought you were going to talk about how when a person without health insurance goes to an Emergency Room receives care and then because he cannot pay the bill, it is absorbed (payed) by the rest of us. Isn't that socialism and don't we already have it?
 
 
+6 # CRitterATX 2013-01-18 05:33
Socialism? Almost funny. Facsism - you're getting warm. The man forgets to mention the real problems with Obamacare - It's not truly universal, and most importantly the insurance industry is still involved.....CR
 
 
+7 # cherylpetro 2013-01-18 06:26
Calling "Obamacare" one thing didn't quite do the trick, so time to pull out another alarming word to scare the paranoid, and easily firghtened! Pres. Obama wants the people of the country to be healthy, and to stop the uninsured from running up millions of dollars in unpaid ER bills, that just raises insurance premiums! If I am not mistaken, Whole Foods also backed the anti-gay marriage bill in California. The Nazis killed gays along with Jews, handicapped and others they considered inferior! One can't get more fascist than Nazis, and if anyone emulates Nazi fascism; it is Whole Foods, not President Obama! Whole Foods has been off my shopping agenda for quite awhile now, and will continue in perpetuity!
 
 
+3 # TNTruth 2013-01-18 08:28
...his photo speaks volumes;
 
 
+10 # Bookmark 7 2013-01-18 08:38
The ight has been very clever in renaming the Affordable Health Care act, so that all those who hate Pres. Obama will automatically rail against it. I also will no longer buy at Whole Foods...their produce is excellent, but I cannot afford their seafood or meat, so it will not be difficult to do.
 
 
+4 # medusa 2013-01-18 09:59
Why is health care considered part of the "means of production"? I feel sometimes like I'm living in the sci-fi future when billboards shout at me about how great, how competitive, this new hospital is! Let's get sick and go there! Let's leave our healthy afternoon and check into to the ICU!
 
 
+5 # RicKelis 2013-01-18 11:06
Some definitions, FYI:
American Heritage Dictionary definition of socialism:
Socialism. 1. a social system in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods.
Those antipathetic to socialism have spun the meaning away from the original intent. That altered meaning gets passed on to succeeding generations.
As for capitalism:
Capitalism. 1. An economic system characterized by freedom of the market with increasing concentration of private and corporate ownership of production and distribution means, proportionate to increasing accumulation and reinvestment of profits.
Fascism. A philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism. (American Heritage Dictionary)
If "ObamaCare" is fascist, it means that it is too far to the right; so let's let it go more toward the left with a single payer system, or other such social remedies. Notice, though, that this shoots the Whole Paycheck (foods) CEO's argument down-- unless he wants more socialism.
 
 
+5 # ghostperson 2013-01-18 14:41
A random out of body thought: Why don't we deport those who send U.S. jobs offshore and keep their profits there so that they can go live with their money.

While we are at it why don't we deny those who do so (to avoid U.S. taxation) the benefit of business tax credits and deductions involving foreign operations.

All profits/revenue /royalties/lucr e should be taxed as income and taxed as such.

Wage earners are required to report all income to the government and have deductions withheld. Not so for those who live and breathe on capital gains.

It's a double standard. A boot on the neck of ordinary people and a free pass for those who live in rarified financial air.

Tax planners for plutocrats understand that IRS has no system for tracking complicated, exotic structures designed to avoid the receipt of reportable "income."

Thus, a huge amount of money flies over, around and under IRS's radar. Not so for the masses whose income beans are meticulously counted.

It is likely that we need a constitutional amendment mandating that all money of every type and description received by business in the course of business be reported to IRS with a maximum amount of credits and deductions allowed, like the one that exists for earned income.

At one point it was around the $125K level according to my CPA. That would take tax loopholes out of our bought and paid for Congress's hands.
 
 
+2 # NAVYVET 2013-01-18 16:48
Another possible way to get messages out at Whole Foods (such as "Whole Foods workers--the country stands with YOU and YOUR HEALTH!") is to type these on good quality sticky back labels, and when nobody's looking or a camera isn't near, maybe out in the lot, simply take one of your messages off and stick it on the handle of the shopping cart. If the workers need overtime to scrape them off, well, is that a bad thing? Why not suggest some further messages. I have another: "CEO Mackey, I am reluctant to shop at your market, since your employees are much more likely to be diseased."
 
 
+2 # Big Jake 2013-01-18 19:42
Obama care barely scratches the surface of our ineffective, inefficient and completely institutionally corrupt health care system. And it is getting worse. Obama care gives us some tiny crumbs but the corruption continues. It is an unsustainable and unaffordable system. Other than a tiny handful of billionaires, nobody can afford to get sick absent insurance. That clearly defines that the whole thing is unsustainable. Obama, in Clinton fashion, gained a little ground but was careful not to antagonize the insurance, drug cartel, or the medical community. As long as we have a faltering personal income, an institutionaliz ed system, more and more of us will be left behind. This should be completely unacceptable for Americans. As to fascism or socialism, nonsense. However, will any of you geniuses who use these terms, please tell us what you would do. If no real solutions are forthcoming, than just shut the hell up.
 
 
+4 # motamanx 2013-01-19 00:08
Republicans have an idea and promote it as great. Then Obama likes the idea and says: "Let's do it." Suddenly the party of No doesn't like that idea any more, and votes against their own idea simply because Obama likes it. McConnell's only agenda as a US Senator was to make Obama a one-term president, and he acted on it, making himself marginal, ineffectual, and probably treasonous.
 
 
+3 # zornorff 2013-01-19 07:47
Another CEO with diarrhea of the mouth. A total hypocrite.
 
 
+2 # tbcrawford 2013-01-19 16:56
How are your morals? You gave a minimal contribution to support Prop 37, Label GMOs (CA) so you could claim virtue...and then quietly oppose this grassroots effort to know what we're eating. I believe this is called hypocrisy. A purveyor of food, it's tragic you also dish out poisonous dialogue.
 
 
+2 # Smokey 2013-01-20 04:53
COMMUNISM means "The government owns the means of production."

FASCISM means "The big corporations own the government." (Government exists, primarily, for the benefit of the big corporations and what Americans call the military-indust rial complex.)
 
 
0 # Innocent Victim 2013-01-20 16:36
Want to know about "Obamacare"? Go to YouTube. Listen to Nomi Prins on the subject. Not bad to watch either!
 

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