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Hightower writes: "As we've seen in their incessant, pigheaded attacks on the health-care reform law, their minds are not merely fogged up with extremist anti-government theories, they're impervious to rational thought."

Texas' progressive political curmudgeon, Jim Hightower. (photo: JimHightower.com)
Texas' progressive political curmudgeon, Jim Hightower. (photo: JimHightower.com)



Pigheaded Republicans

By Jim Hightower, Noozhawk

29 July 12

 

Pigheaded Republicans are so focused on repealing Obamacare that they've failed to offer an alternative.

ere's some useful advice from an old country saying: Never try to teach table manners to a pig - it doesn't work, it'll wear you out and it just annoys the pig.

The same advice goes for anyone who thinks they can teach even a bit of common sense to the preening political ideologues who've taken over the Republican Party and the U.S. House of Representatives. As we've seen in their incessant, pigheaded attacks on the health-care reform law, their minds are not merely fogged up with extremist anti-government theories, they're impervious to rational thought.

They failed to defeat Obamacare in 2010, despite trying to scare old people with mindless lies about "death panels." Now they're trying to repeal the law by getting people to swallow their hogwash that it contains "a massive tax hike on the middle class."

Really? No. One, it's not massive; two, it's a payment for direct benefit that people will receive, namely decent health-care coverage; three, very few people will have to pay the so-called "tax" at all; and four, many people and small business will get tax credits and federal assistance to offset the cost of coverage.

Their greatest failure, however, is that they offer no alternative to Obamacare. During the debate on their latest attempt to repeal the law, a Democratic lawmaker asked for a copy of the GOP's health-care plan so he could read it aloud to other members. Silence in the chamber.

The Republicans' political slogan has been to "repeal and replace" Obama's reform, but they've dropped the replace part, saying they can't offer an alternative until they complete the repeal.

No surprise - I doubt this bunch can walk and chew gun at the same time. Though they're a tenacious bunch! Maybe not tenacious, more like dogmatic, obstinate and obtuse, too. Pigheaded - yeah, that's it.

So, once again, on July 11, GOP lawmakers threw a group hissy fit on the floor of the House over the Affordable Care Act that Obama and the Democrats passed two years ago - a law the Supreme Court has just recently ruled to be constitutional. The House Repubs hate, hate, hate that law. So, all 244 GOP members pursed their lips in a collective pout and voted in lockstep to outright repeal the blanket-blank ACA. That'll show Obama who's boss, they crowed!

Well, not really, since their "repeal" won't pass the Senate, much less get past the president's veto pen. But these pouty solons aren't really interested in legislating - they're into political peacocking, putting on a show for the fans in the far-right-wing bleachers. And apparently it's an interminable farce, for this was the 31st time that they've voted to repeal the law!

Thirty-one replays with the same do-nothing result. Don't they have real work to do? At some point (probably back at about vote number 20 or 25), they crossed over from appearing ideologically steadfast ... to just plain stupid.

They snidely assailed the health-care reform as "Obamacare," as though that's a pejorative. But as the law has begun taking affect, more and more Americans are liking it a lot, because it produces real benefits for us. Start with the 30 million people who get help in affording prescription drugs, plus all of us who get some relief from the gouging and constant denial of coverage by monopolistic insurance giants, and Obamacare becomes a label of pride.

If I were him, I'd run on it - and go after the petty politicos who're trying to take away the benefits it provides for people.



National radio commentator, writer, public speaker, and author of the book, "Swim Against The Current: Even a Dead Fish Can Go With the Flow," Jim Hightower has spent three decades battling the Powers That Be on behalf of the Powers That Ought To Be - consumers, working families, environmentalists, small businesses, and just-plain-folks.

 

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+134 # Barbara K 2012-07-29 11:37
The Republicans have been so against anything that would help us or this country with their NO vote to everything, that they have actually become moot to our country. They have no meaning any more, they gave up their status in their pursuit to just bring down our President, with all the blocking they can do. We see that they have done nothing to earn their big incomes and benefits that we pay them to do and it is time for them to move on out of office and go to where they don't have to do their job; which is to take care of the American people instead of acting like spoiled brats on the playground, bullying all the other kids.
 
 
+74 # Jameswhadley 2012-07-29 13:46
Not moot if they win the election, alas. And it's only the puppet masters, not the puppets who have the money. Loads of not-vey-bright folks without a lot of money make up the rank and file (and I do mean RANK) of the GOP. The pea-brained tea-partiers for example; not well-to-do, not particularly well educated, but loyal Repugnicans.
Imagine the poor US with this group in charge.
 
 
+31 # mdhome 2012-07-29 17:54
Frightening
 
 
+18 # lexy677 2012-07-29 18:46
Absolutely frightening!
 
 
+48 # doneasley 2012-07-29 19:09
Quoting Jameswhadley:
... Imagine the poor US with this group in charge.


Yeah, just imagine, James, an America under these pigheaded bastards. Imagine no health care, substandard support for education, the elderly, our youth, the infirm, public employees, a crumbling infrastructure, and legislation directed against women, minorities, other religions, and the LGBT community, with more tax breaks for the rich. That's what we'll see in a government presided over by the robotic PUPPET, Willard Mitt RoMoney under the guidance of Grover Norquist and the Tea Party.

When I think of the worst, the Tea Partier who always comes to mind is the Illinois congressman, Joe Walsh - the big mouth chickenhawk deadbeat dad, who's running against Tammy Duckworth, the double amputee veteran. Walsh says she's not a true hero. And, while we're on that subject, just how did RoMoney - who can't wait to send other people's children off to war - and his 5 strapping sons evade military service? His comment was that his sons were doing their patriotic duty by helping him in his campaign (LOL). And how did RoMoney manage to write off $77,000 on his taxes against his wife's dressage horse, Rafalca, which is competing in the Olympics? Word is that $2,000 of that amount is for health care for the horse, while the average American spends a little over $1,500 per year.

Obscene, pigheaded, pea-brained, vile, REGRESSIVE robots!!!
 
 
+17 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 01:59
What education? They plan to close all of the schools. They want people going to work at 9 years old scrubbing toilets, sleeping under their sewing machines, sitting on dirt floors making their sports equipment for room and board. "Please, Sir. Please may I have some more?"
 
 
+18 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 02:04
Mitt Robme was able to write off the 77K on his taxes by taking a leaf from Justice Clarence Thomas's playbook in not declaring his wife's income for five or six years: Lack of appropriate conscience and judgment coupled with a "me first and only" modus operandi.
 
 
+13 # Michael Lee Bugg 2012-07-30 07:09
Westwinds, I like "Robme" and shall start using it often!
 
 
+3 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 01:57
....shudder...
 
 
+16 # maddave 2012-07-29 21:13
Barbara K wrote regarding the Republican Party: ". . . they have actually become moot to our country."

I disagree with you vehemently, Ma'am! The word I choose is "TOXIC" vice simply "moot.".
 
 
+10 # Barbara K 2012-07-30 07:13
maddave: Thanks, I hadn't thought of "TOXIC", we'll add that. okay?
 
 
+14 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 01:55
I think it goes WAY beyond this. The Republicans are like a cadre of sales representatives for the Steal the World for Profit industrialists. The Republicans don't represent or have anything to do with common people other than blow smoke up their noses to collect their money in campaign contributions and then their votes for mirror elections.
The horror is investment class money has been used to buy off the majority of the Democratic Party for the same purposes, and the Democrats we have elected to office, so-called "Moderates" and "Centrists" choose to live in the world of high finance, "doing business," for-profit thuggery.
But we have only ourselves, We the People, to blame. We have allowed ourselves to become complacent. We have allowed them to take over, remove civics from the schools, abdicated our power to the corporations for the promise of "convenience"; like George W. Bush said, "Leave the running of the country to us. You just go shopping." We have allowed ourselves to become complacent almost to the extinction of the America the world knew and loved and in its place we have lifted up a murderous, imperialistic America that the world hates, including ourselves.
 
 
+83 # Robert Cohen 2012-07-29 11:58
Hightower et al. are commenting about symptoms of a reversible problem, the money-in-politi cs that is legally corrupting our leaders. We must urgently unite around a peaceful rebellion to force the money-givers out of politics.

The proposed first step to achieve that objective is to file multiple class-action lawsuits seeking to reverse two absurd Supreme Court decisions: Santa Clara ("corporations are persons"), and Buckley ("money is speech"). Success will require one of the five conservative Justices to again step forward and go down in history as a true American patriot, as did Chief Justice Roberts recently in upholding Obamneycare.

As the cases advance toward the Supreme Court, widening public awareness of them will propel a tsunami of public pressure, outcry, and support from the over 80% of American citizenry who are disgusted with the legalized corruption of our politicians by the obscene amounts of money-in-politi cs. Past Supreme Courts have been responsive to public opinion.

Once those decisions are reversed, the liberated Congress would be enabled to enact legislation in the public interest, such as to provide for public financing of elections, free airtime for candidates, universal health care, raising needed revenue from those who can best afford to provide it, and exerting world leadership in preventing and mitigating global warming.

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+28 # lexy677 2012-07-29 19:21
NO NO and NO!! The problem is NOT "money in politics". No amount of money or advertising or campaign "ads" could convince me to go vote against my own interest. No amount of money can be spent to bamboozle, confuse and make me unable to recognize where my own interests lie.

The problem is with dumb, uneducated, bitter, white males who feel they no longer have the unfair advantages that they had pre-1968 and have ever since been voting for every "hollow fraud" every sociopath, every "venereal character" carrying the banner of the GOP who promises them;albeit in subtle code words and "dog whistles;a return of their unearned pre-1968 privileges. To have in their own words "white skin count for something again". The miserable bastards still have most of their privileges intact but can't see that; through the fog fear cowardice and insecurity. If they were not exactly as I have described, they would not have voted en masse for Reagan; who promptly started dismantling the labor unions for the benefit of the corporations. They would not have voted 54% for McCain although he chose a running mate who could barely sound intelligible and who knew as much about ANYTHING as a junior high school graduate. They will keep voting; in the south and in the mid-west;they will keep voting with their emotions and insecurities and numerous fears of "the other"; rather than with their brains; until the whole edifice comes crashing down our collective ears.
 
 
+14 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 02:17
I moved into the south seven years ago. You are correct. This is about white male domination and supremacy; privilege and class entitlement to arrogant behavior. This is why we have been unable to reach them with facts and critical thinking. They don't want what is best for all. They aren't interested in intelligent, linear logic. They are only interested in self-gratifying behavior and grandiose positioning. They want to be the bully in the schoolyard without consequences.
 
 
+99 # Regina 2012-07-29 12:14
"Don't they have real work to do?" you ask, Jim Hightower. As a matter of fact, they do. But they think that their primary task is to make Obama fail. So they obstruct every move he makes, even if he adopts something they previously approved of. When their failure to work becomes too visible, they haul off into their War Against Women and pass idiotic requirements that violate medical practice, medical science, medical ethics, and human decency (which doesn't apply to women since they are an inferior breed).
 
 
+57 # unitedwestand 2012-07-29 13:39
Like Mr. Hightower said, the Republicants are just making motions to make it look like they are working, "putting a show". Did I hear that it costs taxpayers $3,000,000 A DAY to keep Congress opened?

We are not getting our money's worth.
 
 
+24 # Mrcead 2012-07-29 14:40
Also known as: "busy work."
 
 
+5 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 02:33
Not even. Play time in the Congressional playpen.
 
 
+1 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 02:31
The whole Congress has become nothing but political theater since K Street stepped behind the green velvet curtain to pull the levers of power by proxy for the investment class and the banksters.

But in the end, it's our fault for putting these people into office without properly vetting them for their histories like voting records, personal affiliations and philosophies.

I'm glad I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton. Not too long ago she left the Methodist Church that her family belongs to and joined the Presbyterian Church. Every far Far Right NeoCON whackjob Reich-winger belongs to this extremist church; think John Knox; the ranting repressive provincial misogynist.
 
 
+4 # dovelane1 2012-07-30 09:16
There was a line in the movie "Animal House" I really liked. After they borrowed a frat bropthers car and wrecked it, they said "You blew it. You trusted us."

Is it life imitating movies, or movies imitating life? Or some combination thereof?
 
 
+79 # AMLLLLL 2012-07-29 12:19
Bravo once again, Jim. As a senior, the last thing I want to do, just ahead of a root-canal job, is to shop for insurance every year, not knowing if my 'voucher' will cover me. The stress on someone older than me is unimaginable, not to mention the window for chicanery.
 
 
+85 # maddave 2012-07-29 12:19
Forget "Obamacare", forget the economy, forget unemployment . . . The sad, sad fact is that with the GOP in the miserable state of disarray that it is in AND with its negative, truculent attitude toward any positive action whatsoever, if Barrack Hussein Obama were a white, anglo-saxon, protestant he would be leading Romney by thirty-to-forty popularity percentage points today and by 40 to 45 states come November 7th.

Listen to Limbaugh. Listen to Hannity. Listent to any of the right wing talk-show jocks. They are literally grasp[ing at straws, and still, those people who stand to lose the most under a 1%-run-GOP administration are buying their hate-and-fear rhetoric as gospel.

Go figure.
 
 
+27 # freeportguy 2012-07-29 16:11
Limbaugh, Hannity and the rest of Fox are not even simply commenting, they are actually CAMPAINING...
 
 
+4 # lexy677 2012-07-29 21:19
Bravo!!!See my comment above.
 
 
+7 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 02:41
Check out Lexy677 above. He has nailed it.
White males want to own an unfair advantage over others everywhere and they are willing to make any and all sacrifices to get it. It's about them being able to put their egos on parade and not get dinged for it; in fact, garner adulation for it, and if they can get that rush by sacking other countries or their own country, so be it. This certainly would explain why they support the biggest money drain going, the Defense Budget, while they scream their heads off about deficit spending, getting deeper into austerity and cutting spending everywhere else. Only their ego involvement can explain their schizophrenic approach to living life and the bigger picture.
 
 
-148 # jimattrell 2012-07-29 12:27
Front page Dallas Morning News today.....as calculated by the American Medical Association...O bamacare will cause a shortfall of 62,900 doctors by 2015 and double that by 2025. Kill ObamaCare, then fix (with minor tweaks) what we had. More importantly, get rid of the empty suit in the white house and bring the six-year, painful Democrat Harry Reid led Senate to an end!
 
 
+44 # paulrevere 2012-07-29 14:14
lol...oh...you choose to quote the folks who are defending Ferrari payments and that 7000 square footer that the plastic surgeon or anesthesiologis t just has to have?

May as well be positively quoting the Koch broz on sniveling about oil subsidies.
 
 
+34 # Mrcead 2012-07-29 14:43
Our medical system was fine before private business stuck its oars in - dragging us down to #34.
 
 
+61 # Carbonman1950 2012-07-29 15:06
Quoting jimattrell:
Obamacare will cause a shortfall of 62,900 doctors by 2015 and double that by 2025.


Your solution "Kill Obamacare"

Typical, just typical of the far-right that its solution to a shortage of doctors is to provide medical care to fewer people.

The "liberal" solution, the rational solution is to train more doctors and other medical personel.

The projected shortfall in three yeas is 62,900... OK we'll have live with that and work around it, but in FIVE years we could graduate a new and larger cohort of medical doctors and well before 2025 we could have educated all the doctors required.

BTW this is the same bizarre mind-set that has turned working people, the primary beneficiaries of labor unionization, against labor unions. The "thought process," using the term loosely) appears to be "That Union worker makes way more money and has better benefits than I do. I'm jealous. I'm going to vote for people who will take it away from him." Wouldn't they be better served to think "Those Union workers make way more money and has better benefits than I do. I'd like to live as well as they can. I should look into unionizing my workplace. I know it will be a fight, but my family is worth it."
 
 
+36 # freeportguy 2012-07-29 16:12
"Killing" is the sole and standard republican strategy about EVERYTHING...
 
 
+12 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 03:15
Yes. They are the destroyers; they don't know how to do anything else but tear everything down. Vacuous sods.
 
 
+15 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 03:14
All medical education should be free, in fact, all education should be free; only Ronald Reagan changed all that. Reagan said he wasn't going to educate people for free who would vote against him. But that went right over the heads of the people on the Right: If you are educated, then you are smart and enlightened; you can think for yourselves, and smart people don't vote for Reagans and the like once they become educated.

If all medical education were free we'd get all the doctors we could possibly want. But the problem is, the Righties have made being a doctor a get-rich-quick scheme/scam. There are certain areas of human living that should not be allowed to become for-profit schemes and medicine is one of them. Only people with the correct attitude toward medicine should be allowed to practice it and the doctors should not think of themselves as beholden to the Republicon Party first, as so many of them do now.
 
 
+39 # tabonsell 2012-07-29 15:21
From what you are saying is that "Obamacare" will create 62,900 brand-new highly paid jobs in the short term and twice that many in the long run. Looks like a good deal.

In case you didn't notice, "Obamacare" was just tweaking what we already had without going for a totally new approach as the majority of Americans wanted.
 
 
+24 # gzuckier 2012-07-29 16:48
Good point. There are basically three kinds of jobs that can't be offshored; medical, government, and the whole world of burger flipping, waitressing, and cashiering; why exactly are we doing our best to cut down on the numbers of the two of those which happen to pay enough to live on?
 
 
+6 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 03:18
It's all part of George W. Bush's plan to "restore chaos". That's all they know.
 
 
+7 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 03:17
This complainer SHOULD be happy. ObamaCare is actually Bob Dole Care (r) cum Romney Care (r). But this complainer doesn't know this, he's too busy practicing being intentionally blind.
 
 
+18 # gzuckier 2012-07-29 16:46
Quoting jimattrell:
Obamacare will cause a shortfall of 62,900 doctors by 2015 and double that by 2025. Kill ObamaCare, then fix (with minor tweaks) what we had.


Yes, it is true; the fewer people who can afford healthcare, the fewer doctors we will need. If only 1% of us could get healthcare, then there would be no problem!

Of course, if you look at the graph http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/29/health/policy/29doctors-graphic/29doctors-graphic-articleInline.jpg , "what we had" promises a shortage of 32,000 doctors by 2015 and 105,000 by 2025, accounting for the majority of the "double that by 2025". "Obamacare will cause", in reality, only a one shot shortage of 30,000 doctors when those millions of new people first get healthcare. Of course, that brings up the question of why exactly is the AMA so ticked off about that 30,000 when they seem OK with the impending 100,000 shortfall, which just happens to support high salaries for secondary and tertiary medical specialists?
 
 
+15 # Jameswhadley 2012-07-29 17:38
"Rational arguments seldom make it past the emotional filter that lies between reality and the rational mind."the left is ever going to make any progress in this country, we have to start sending messages that tap into that emotional filter and harness its power. The messages have to be simple and provocative. They must be short on facts and long on emotional appeal. Face it, rational persuasion doesn't get votes or sway politicians."
Not really an emotional filter, more a "tripwire." setting off broad societal- wide emotional explosions. That is what is needed.
 
 
+6 # lexy677 2012-07-29 21:31
Alas where are we going to get such a "tripwire" to set off broad societal-wide emotional explosions?. The republicans already have theirs; racism, xenophobia homophobia and a Pandora's box of diverse social pathogens in the shape of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others.

Any suggestions anyone??
 
 
+7 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 03:56
Maybe rational thinking doesn't cut it in Right-wing World, but somebody better make good sense to me or they're not getting this kiddo's vote.

As for getting through the reality filter, this is what advertising is all about; why it works and why it makes money.

"You've come a long way, baby." Says the voice over to a Virginia Slims cigarette ad showing a willowy model dressed in evening gown and dripping with diamonds.

"Marlboro Country for a Marlboro man." Says the voice over for Marlboro cigarettes (THE most popular cigarette in America; and the leading cause of cigarette generated cancer,) pictures a he-man on top a sturdy mount surveilling hundreds of head of cattle on thousands of acres of America.

"Eastern Airlines/The Wings of Man"
"The Men of Texaco"
"Nobody is Second Class on Southern Airlines"
Braniff: "The End of the Plain Plane"
Diet Pepsi: "Slip into Something Irresistible."
McDonald's: "You Deserve A Break Today."
Muriel Cigars: "Hey, Big Spender."

The facile effectiveness of advertising is really a terrible comment on how malleable the American mind is in the hands of corporate puppeteers.
 
 
+12 # tm7devils 2012-07-29 18:07
So..what's your point? Why shouldn't the (so called) upper class be hit with the same problems that the middle and lower classes have - high unemployment/lo ss of jobs; lowering of wages; forclosures; etc? Are you against equality?
Besides, the AMA's statement is no different than a fox stating that he's being discriminated against when locks are put on the hen house doors - I don't believe either one.
also, calling republicans pigheaded insults pigs(and they're smarter than most animals...which really makes the term ill-fitting)(So rry Jim, but I did love your article).
 
 
+13 # Texas Aggie 2012-07-29 18:25
I think that it says all that needs to be said about the right wing that you "forgot" to mention WHY Obamacare will cause the predicted shortfall. That you didn't mention the reason is that so many more people will now be able to actually have access to healthcare says everything. It is like complaining about building more community swimming pools because it will cause a shortfall in life guards.
 
 
+13 # doneasley 2012-07-29 19:17
... and bring in an even emptier suit with no ideas, who will be controlled by Governor Norquist and the Tea Party.

Bottom line: OBAMA CARES!!!
 
 
+14 # Michigan Mark 2012-07-29 19:35
The simple truth is that doctors will NOT leave the profession, because it still will pay more than they could make doing anything else, and many Docs like the job because they like the adoration they get from it.
AND the FED should fund the expansion of medical schools, so they would be spitting out new DR's in 50% higher numbers than they do currently.
Don't even try to say that the "quality" of the Docs will go down, there are plenty of competent people that could be Docs.
 
 
+9 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 03:05
What would you expect it to say? Texas is run by liars, cheats, and thieves. That whole state is nothing but one big crooks club and factory.

As for shortfall of doctors, if anything like that happened, they would only do what they have already been doing: importing them from foreign countries. The AMA has no conscience about what it does to this country; they are only in it for the money. We the People are only the excuse they use for a bill in their thought and financial equation.

As for the "empty suit in the White House", the only thing that really bothers you about that suit is that it is filled with a person of color.

And if you are in financial pain, you have no one else but yourselves to blame for supporting people who have turned America into a Banana Republic. Stop voting for the Regressives and vote for Progressives if you want beneficial change.

The Rethuglican't have never done anything for working Americans (even my European grandmother said so,) other than blow smoke up the collective nose of old white males looking to be a Big-man-on-camp us; a Society Swell.
 
 
+7 # MJnevetS 2012-07-30 07:10
Quoting jimattrell:
...as calculated by the American Medical [there will be] a shortfall of 62,900 doctors by 2015 and double that by 2025.
If you had read the full article (or the data supporting it, as I have not read that specific article), the reason for the shortfall is multifold. First, there will be a shortfall of doctors because MORE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO OBTAIN MEDICAL CARE!!! therefore, based upon numbers calculated for doctors per 100,000 people, there will not be enough doctors in CERTAIN areas. The reasons are poverty and Mammon desires of persons entering that field. The average general practitioner earns $200,000.00 per year, but specialists can average over 2x that amount. That is why there is a glut of cosmetic surgeons and dermatologists. Further, the areas with the greatest problems in doctor to citizen ratio are those impoverished areas, in which doctors do not desire to work or open up a practice. Thus, Obamacare will not CAUSE anything. It merely exposes the current problem endemic to the medical system in our country. When profit is the ONLY motivation to provide medical treatment, medical treatment will be unavailable to any but the rich. Adding of millions of people to the rolls of the insured, highlights the problems endemic to the system. This could not occur with Gov't run healthcare (i.e. single payer).
 
 
+35 # mickeynow 2012-07-29 12:28
Jim almost always has salient points to offer. Keep it up, Jim. Please.
 
 
+17 # Jameswhadley 2012-07-29 13:56
That's Jim Hightower, you mean, right? Not the Jim------ With the sublimely off - point remark above. The article, also in the NY Times (or written by a Times staffer from the same data) pointed up the dramatic increase in medical coverage due to the new law, and the consequent imbalance of trained doctors available to match the additional insured. Problem? Sure, but better by far than the existing situation and far more susceptible to a solution.
 
 
-110 # chirostv 2012-07-29 12:33
And yet the vast majority of the country is against this and your own darling Ms. Pelosi stated in the House Chamber that we would have to pass it to learn what was in it. Yup, it clearly is the Republicans and Conservatives that don't get it.
 
 
+49 # tabonsell 2012-07-29 13:24
A good portion of Americans against the healthcare act are so because they wanted a more inclusive program, such as Medicare or all. In total, those who want a better healthcare system are in a vast majority; those who want nothing, like you, are in the minority.

Passing a bill to learn what is in it was applied to the GOP's PATRIOT Act under George Bush the Inept, and a Republican Congress (55 Republicans in the Senate and 223 in the House).
 
 
+23 # paulrevere 2012-07-29 14:15
please link to the poll or polls that show your assertion about the vast majority of the country being against it?
 
 
+40 # Carbonman1950 2012-07-29 15:18
Quoting chirostv:
And yet the vast majority of the country is against this.


Depends on how you define "this."

If you ask people if they like Obamacare, they are against it. BUT if you ask if they like the features in Obamacare, without attributing them to Obamacare, they are ALL for them. Every one of them. Even two-thirds of Republicans are for them.

It's the same as polling people on their political philosophy. If asked if they are "liberal... or "conservative" the majority will say they are "conservative" or "center right." But when asked about policies the overwhelming majority of Americans do not support "conservative" policies and do support "liberal" policies.

It's all about labeling and "conservatives" are very very accomplished at convincing voters that they have the better label. Unfortunately, "conservatives" have proven themselves incompetent to run the country. Not surprising really... they believe that "government is the problem." It's stupid to think that letting people who don't believe in government will or even can run a government well.
 
 
+17 # doneasley 2012-07-29 20:04
"Not surprising really... they believe that "government is the problem." It's stupid to think that letting people who don't believe in government will or even can run a government well."

Carbonman, the GOP God Reagan first uttered those words "government is the problem" while he was dismantling the Air Traffic Controllers union. He must have been great, right? His name is plastered everywhere. In my hometown, Cincinnati, there's a highway named after him. I - and many others - still call it by it's old name. They can run a government allright - right into the ground. Can you imagine where we'd be if the Bush Recession had happened a year earlier? More tax cuts right? How do we manage to put complete idiots in control of our country? You wouldn't allow Bush to drive your used $3,000 car for fear he'd wreck your last means of getting to work. But we gave this guy a $3,000,000,000, 000 economy and - with "Deficits Don't Matter" Cheney in the passenger seat - he drove it off a cliff. Kinda like Thelma and Louise, huh? With America crumbling around our ears, Bush was MORE than glad to give the keys to Barack Obama.

Did you fill the tank, George?
 
 
+6 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 04:11
Your point is well made, Carbonman.

It points up the Limbnaughesque b-washing for certain buzz words, but no in depth understanding of the substantive kind.

But how could it be otherwise? Education has been gutted and the Right-wing talkers have sold the south and the mid-west on "homeschooling" which TRAINS people to read, write, do math and regurgitate historical chronologies, but don't truly EDUCATE in the application of information and scenarios, preferring to have the "thinking" for the Right be left in the hands of the Limbnaugh, Beck, Savage, Drudge drug/alcohol/mo ney/power/ addict paid hacks.
 
 
+41 # ritaague 2012-07-29 12:46
Thank you, Jim Hightower. And, my precious, forty year old son with autism, a clown each Holloween for countless years, is about to carry your opinion, as he marches in this year's Holloween Parade as a 'pretend politician clown'. Fake $100 bills will be attached all over his clown costume, flowing out of his big, clown costume pockets.

Wish I could get as hyped as you appear to be re. Obamacare. But, reality is, we here in the U.S. are still the only advanced country in the world to not have healthcare for all as a human(e) right. Single payer care for all Obamacare is not.

The nurses have it right when they say HEALTHCARE NOT WARFARE. Please tell Pres. Obama (who I now call Oh Bomb Ah) that continuation in constant warfare mode, even if soooo profitable for the military/indust rial/terrorism complex 1%ers and their villainaire minions, is simply more of the same old Bushwhacking and Kochsucking we've endured here and around the world since being lied into a war in Iraq.

HEALTHCARE NOT WARFARE !!!
 
 
+6 # Douglas Jack 2012-07-29 12:54
Institutional paths to engage Republicans followings don't work. Inclusion, productive-live lihood & economic-welcom e does. 1st Nation economic-democr acy www.indigenecommunity.info provides a guide.
If humans engage 'dialectically' ('both-sides') in formal open equal-time recorded & published dialogue as our primary means of interaction, then war is over. Any 2 friends or belligerents who engage dialectically can nip discord in the bud.
Mohandas Gandhi's 'Satyagraha' (Hindi = 'truth-search') was based in the practice of engaging both-sides in open dialogue. Gandhi would ask, "What are your best intentions and how can we help you achieve these?" Considering that; British Forces (including a large Canadian contingent) had massacred many thousands of Indians for such crimes as picnicking together on religious occasions, Gandhi still included everyone in this process. Gandhi noted that; war, murder, weapons, oppression are the path of cowards afraid to speak their truths together with another.
Activists who'd like to foster dialectic process merely have to engage in formal dialogues with both friends & perceived opponents & publish these in social or other media. People are drawn to dialectics because truth is so important. We don't need to await institutional players or approval. Start with anyone who's willing to speak their mind on any subject & we're off to the races. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/1-both-sides-now-article
 
 
+6 # paulrevere 2012-07-29 14:19
i agree...impedim ent problem in the west is that the avenues to mass presentation of that dialectic are owned by one side of the proposed two sided discussion...ha rd to get down the highway very far with two flat rightside tires...keeps dragging the steering wheel and thus the vehicle on into the ditch!
 
 
+3 # Douglas Jack 2012-07-29 17:59
Paulrevere, The key is organizing enormous left-side human & physical resources to reach ecological-econ omy goals & thereby show the right what we mean. Humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin = 'self-generatin g') ancestors organized critical mass in the multihome (eg apartment & townhouse buildings) where extended families / generations & talents interacted. Today 1/2 the world live in multihome dwellings, but passively & typically owned by right wingers. Indigenous sharing is facilitated by time-based human resource accounting on 'string-shells' for progressive ownership within the Production Societies. A typical multihome dwelling holds 100 people today equivalent to 2 - 10 million dollars of earning-spendin g as large as most medium size corporations. Such accounting is best known today among participatory corporations such as the Japanese-Keiret su, Korean-Chaebol, European Associative-Eco nomies etc, which form the most profitable economies of the world. Multihome & Production Society organization represent 'fractals' by which the strengths of individuals, families, communities, male & female in domestic 'economy' (Greek 'oikos' = 'home') come 1st while commercial & industrial are subsets. Both left & right are dysfunctional fragments of a once 'indigenous' whole. Left institutionally indoctrinated & mediated social-theories don't register in the minds of the right who want hands on involvement. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy
 
 
+1 # dovelane1 2012-07-30 09:30
As a musician, when doing shows, I tell people I don't want them devoted to me or my songs. I want them devoted to getting to the truth. If they can do that, then if there is a conflict between us, we are much more likely to resolve it if our intent and prioritites match.

So many people in all walks of life, are in it for the ego, for the adoration of their fans, or for the money and power. Everything changes when a person's desire is to get to the truth.

The main requirement for getting to the truth, as Anthony de Mello pointed out in his book "One Minute Wisdom," is not an overwhelming passion for it, but an unremitting readiness to admit one might be wrong."

Most people have learned to believe that it is important to have the courage of their convictions. In truth, the greater courage involves examining one's convictions to see if they are baswed on truth, and allowing others to examine them as well.

For people whose self-image is dependent on having a certain belief system, self-examinatio n will make them nervous, if not afraid. If they can't get past the fear, they'll find it hard, if not impossible, to look at information that differs from what supports their self-image.

As has been said, most people love the lie that saves their pride, but never an unflattering truth. To change that, we must make people believe, if possible, that we are their friends, and that we have their best interest at heart.
 
 
+12 # Bodiotoo 2012-07-29 16:40
I agree...I engage my TEA Party "friends" with honest responses and when they lower themselves to name calling, labeling...i.e. "You must be a Marxist/Communi st/Socialist etc", I merely underscore that that have failed to support their arguments and have lost the debate.
 
 
+25 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-07-29 13:26
I spoke with with some of my former college roommates. I asked their opinion on The Affordable Care Act. One roommate said "there will not be enough doctors to take care of the people." I laugehed and mentioned this "was" the same argument the Republicans used when in my youth, Medicare was being debated. I find it interesting that the Corporate Plutocrats thrive on Plutocrat Socialism for themselves. The super rich oil and gas industry which no longer need U.S. government subsidies, wealthy corporate farmers come to the United States treasury paid-in tax coffers and collect their trillions of dollars. And yet, no mention is made by any of our legislators to divert some of the trillions literally given away to corporate socialism to promote degrees by bright young men and women who want to pursue a career in the medical profession. Americans do not think in terms of the trillions given away to wealthy corporate interests as corporate Socialism. Why? Earl Nightengale had the answer:"men simply don't think."
 
 
+15 # diacad 2012-07-29 13:41
I disagree with Hightower on Obamacare. PPACA is Obama's Achilles Heel. SCOTUS did him no favors in upholding it.

Romney has promised to repeal Obamacare. Which only proves that a stopped clock is right twice a day, and opportunists are ready to exploit weaknesses.

After we have voted for the lesser evil in the fall, let's all work to replace the Obamacare sham with true universal Medicare For All.

Take the private insurance industry out of the loop, improve Medicare, and expand it to cover all age groups.

Almost all other industrialized countries have done this. As a result, their health care costs run about half of ours, and their outcomes(infant mortality, length of life, etc.) are much better than ours.

Instead, Obamacare (PPACA) insures the nearly 30% cut that insurance companies take from every health care dollar by guaranteeing their place at the operating table. And the Democrats have endangered their reelection by backing this unpopular plan designed by the industry everyone knows causes the most loss of blood. Even with this scheme, there will be tens of millions without adequate health coverage; some will choose to pay the fine and others will be forced to buy policies with the flaws and shortcomings we have grown to expect from these privateers. Their interest is private profit, not public health. Bankrupcy courts and resort to ER will still play a role under Obamacare.
 
 
+32 # Ellioth 2012-07-29 13:46
Jim - no one has accused the Republican party of rational thought for a long time.

The only thought they have is "lower taxes for the wealthy, make war and borrow to pay for it, screw the middle class and poor, let the good times roll."

Do you hear any other thoughts from them?
 
 
+24 # walt 2012-07-29 15:27
It's truly hard to believe that the polls show a "close race" between President Obama and the lying Romney and the entire obstructionist GOP.

Their whole goal continues to be to defeat the black president and their choice is Romney with his shiny suits, neat hair, white face and smooth and well-rehearsed lines. That's tragic since he has been totally dishonest and insincere with the American people. No, in fact, he is a total fraud and liar! And the GOP is anti-people and owned by the 1%.
 
 
+17 # Bodiotoo 2012-07-29 16:46
The polls are varied...
The time has come to make the POTUS a national election by the people...not put the power in a few "battleground" states. One National Hand Marked Ballot uniform throughout the nation.
Limit the length of the campaign and provide national airtime for the debates.
 
 
+5 # epcraig 2012-07-29 15:59
I don't like the reforms that took anti-trust and conservation out of Republican dogma.
 
 
+14 # DurangoKid 2012-07-29 16:27
This is where the left gets it wrong every time. Politics is not about rational thought. It's not about weighing the issues, pro and con, choosing the best options, and giving each side a fair hearing. It's primarily about choosing sides. People choose sides based on how the messages make them feel. It's not a rational process. The right wingers know this and they construct their messages around provoking the desired emotions. They instill fear toward ideas that work against their interests. They invoke images about power and strength that they want to be associated with messages that support their interests. Rational arguments seldom make it past the emotional filter that lies between reality and the rational mind. If the left is ever going to make any progress in this country, we have to start sending messages that tap into that emotional filter and harness its power. The messages have to be simple and provocative. They must be short on facts and long on emotional appeal. Face it, rational persuasion doesn't get votes or sway politicians. Simple slogans that get a galvanic skin response do. Either we're in a political fight to win or we're just spinning our wheels. The right understands this and that's why the win so often. It's time to take the gloves off.
 
 
+4 # paulrevere 2012-07-29 20:19
I beg to differ...politi cs is what it is, a dirty, lying, hypocritical realm for money and power mongers...is and always will be.

The civic minded roll of a citizen in our Constitutionall y Limited Representative Democratic Republic (tks to Thom Hartmann AND give that handle some thought)is to apply the common sense of the American people seasoned liberally with morals, ethics, reason and hard nosed assessment of the actions of the above mentioned sesspool of players.

They are stealing our money, our commons and our very souls with psychotic and sociopathic killing of people and entire countries around the planet...I challenge ANYONE to call that hyperbole!
 
 
+5 # lexy677 2012-07-29 21:55
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"the common sense of the American people seasoned liberally with morals, ethics, reason and hard nosed assessment of the actions of the above......."

I must admit I roared with laughter about this one. "common sense of the American people"?. We haven't demonstrated any such thing in decades. Our "common sense" elected Reagan, George W. Bush,almost elected McCain and Sarah "giant amoeba"Palin and now about to elect the mother of snake oil salesmen Mitt Romney? Ha! common sense indeed....bah humbug!!
 
 
+6 # charsjcca 2012-07-29 18:07
It is time for people to call a spade a spade. What is being referred to as 'republicans' are really DIXIECRATS. Republicans did not author and sign the Southern Manifesto in 1956. Call a spade a spade.
 
 
-17 # MidwestTom 2012-07-29 19:12
Maybe they are disturbed about the tax increases coming on dividends and pensions going from 15% to over 40% in January. Pretty tough on those who worked and saved.
 
 
+8 # Jim Young 2012-07-29 23:25
If you "worked and saved" so that your investment income is more than $250,000 a year. Not a major concern for me at the moment. I'd have to have over $8 million squirreled away in the safer investments I feel are sustainable to begin to worry.

How close are you to taking over $250,000 in interest (instead of working for it) that paying the rates that we managed during far better growth that you feel you were being robbed any more than the hundreds of millions of us that lost 40% of our wealth? We also pay a lot more percentage in payroll taxes.
 
 
+2 # WestWinds 2012-07-30 01:41
>>>"...impervio us to rational thought."
 
 
+5 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-07-30 01:43
I appreciate everything that Jim Hightower says and does BUT:
There is too much 'preaching to the choir' going on here. He certainly knows what he is talking about; I know what he as talking about, and I would venture to say that 90-95% of the commentators and readers on RSN know what he is talking about, and agree with him.
So what is new? Tell me something I don't know, or some way to get the attention of the pigheaded GOP! Maybe they should be made aware of the concept of ham hocks and bacon, two things that make sense, and have some use when the pig body is separated from the pig head.

There is one thing that Mr. Hightower did mention in his article that sounds ominous and prescient. With regard to the GOP Congress, he used the phrase 'voted in lockstep' to describe their behavior.
This sounds too much like Germany in 1936 for my taste in democratic forms of self governance.
 
 
+9 # Skyelav 2012-07-30 07:22
Excuse me but don't I remember that Romney passed almost exactly the same package in Mass? Don't we really want single payer health care and not privatized (i.e. for profit) health care? So didn't we assume the Very Republican Roberts would nix the whole thing to stick with his caucus? And are we forgetting all this now? Bottom line, someone wants to bury single payer forever and forever and the only admin that could do it and get away with it a la the Fox in the Henhouse, is a Democrat admin. Hmmmmm yeah..
 
 
+2 # thoreauvianflake@yahoo.com 2012-08-01 13:23
Robert Cohen wrote: "... the money-in-politi cs that is legally corrupting our leaders. We must urgently unite around a peaceful rebellion to force the money-givers out of politics."

This is the one theme that is not brought up enough.He is so on the money with this.Until we stop the rich from donating money to our corrupt puppet leaders,it doesn't matter who is prez,the ship is going to keep sinking.It is very sad how low we have sunk,how most americans walk around clueless.I worry for my little girls future.
 
 
0 # andylyons8 2012-08-04 07:44
Why is it that it seems as if republicans are like 3rd graders. The invented term 'Obamacare', said pejoratively, reminds me of how the word 'liberal' used to be used as a curse word. How do you share a country with such an infantile, closed minded group?
 

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