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Simpich writes: "The House of Representatives is poised to vote No on any attack on Syria. This is the moment to bring antiwar forces together, both in the United States and around the world."

Can the antiwar movement stop the U.S. from attacking Syria? (photo: Olivia Harris/Reuters)
Can the antiwar movement stop the U.S. from attacking Syria? (photo: Olivia Harris/Reuters)


If the House Says No to War

By Bill Simpich, Reader Supported News

07 September 13

 

he House of Representatives is poised to vote No on any attack on Syria. This is the moment to bring antiwar forces together, both in the United States and around the world. This is the moment that we can build a movement that can make history. Who will show leadership to ensure victory this month and move on making this movement move?

As of 8 p.m. last night, Firedoglake reported that the count was 226 leaning or firm No, 62 leaning or firm Yes. That means the No votes have a majority in the House, with 147 votes remaining undecided. The Huffington Post figures are similar, with 217 leaning No, 44 leaning Yes. In the House, Democrats are four to one against it, and the Republicans are almost ten to one against it. Florida congressman Alan Grayson thinks that if this trend continues, that the House may refuse to even vote on it "unless they want to simply put it out there to be defeated."

Antiwar actions will take place this weekend and in the days to come. Everyone should hit the streets. Everyone should lobby their Congressional representatives. Mass nonviolent direct action should take place now. It makes no sense after the vote. The idea is to make sure the bombs never fall.

Obama is going to address the nation next week, after Congress re-convenes on Monday the 9th. He is going to try to turn public opinion around, with the votes due to happen within a matter of days or weeks. Look at what Obama has to address � his rhetoric can't defeat these five obstacles, and I think he knows it.

  1. What burden of proof is required to show that the Syrian government is to blame and that they weren't set up in some way? Congressman Alan Grayson asked Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel about media reports that Syrian commanders were surprised to hear the news about the chemical attack. Hagel said he wasn't aware of these reports, but emphasized that any supporting documents would probably have to stay classified in any case. The legal community uses three different tools for making a decision: Preponderance of the evidence, clear and convincing evidence, and reasonable doubt. Which one is proper here? Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is the only reasonable standard for a question of this magnitude.
  2. This is important because chemical attacks are a terrible thing. What is the appropriate response? International law bars the United States from launching a preemptive attack, since an attack on Syria does not constitute self-defense. The United Nations can't take action, because Russia is on the Security Council and can block an attack. The place for action is at the World Court, and to seek criminal sanctions against the perpetrators. Anything else is illegal.
  3. The Syrian conflict is not simply a civil war � it is a proxy war. Several wars are going on simultaneously in Syria, with al-Qaeda among the opposition forces. Are the United States and al-Qaeda really about to fight on the same side? There are also self-defense pacts between Syria and Iran, which could result in Iran attacking Israel if Syria is attacked. Israel, Turkey, and Russia have major security interests that could be triggered if bombs start flying. Any attack could lead to a larger conflagration and American boots on the ground. Secretary of State John Kerry was forced to admit that yesterday.
  4. Any attack on Syria is estimated to cost one billion dollars every two weeks, according to Rep. Grayson. If this action were to take the full 90 days permitted in this bill, that would be seven billion dollars, while everything from food subsidies to the National Archives are experiencing severe cutbacks. Grayson points to the twenty million looking for work and almost fifty million on food stamps.
  5. There are two million refugees due to the Syrian conflict. The United States and others should be supporting these refugees through established, internationally recognized, neutral institutions and organizations, not by another round of endless war.

This is the moment for people to come together. We can act where we live with 435 flying pickets � one for each member of the House. The website of US Labor Against the War (USLAW) offers an excellent combination of educational materials and action suggestions to be used in the days to come. The Friends Committee on National Legislation and Just Foreign Policy are other great resources. Many other groups need our participation, fresh vision, and new approaches. We can start new groups, where we live and where we work. We can support those facing cutbacks and those fighting for a living wage by encouraging them to provide new leadership to the antiwar movement.

No president has ever been denied support for a military strike by either the Senate or the House. It's about to happen. Obama asked for a vote. The challenge is to make the House vote mean something. If we can stop the Pentagon from attacking Syria, we will make history.

How can we bring peace to Syria, if we tie the hands of the Pentagon? We can urge people from all sides of the conflict to come to the table. We can use the power of the media, the power of theater, the power of prayer. We can support the formation of an international, Gandhi-style nonviolent army to march to Damascus and help increase the peace. One thing is for sure: the path to peace is not aided by going to war for the sake of anybody's "credibility."

The antiwar forces in the United States have an enormous responsibility. People all over the world are looking to us. If we want peace, we have to work for peace. We can no longer stand on the sidelines and complain about being marginalized. We have to take the field. We have to act.




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+49 # tswhiskers 2012-11-15 14:26
So the fiscal policy of the U.S. has become keep on kicking the can down the road? Thanks primarily to the Reps. we have forgotten how to solve problems apparently. What do you think will happen in March, Mr. Reich? Is there no way to force the Reps. to act like politicians instead of spoiled children? Can the Reps. in the House be sued for failing to perform their jobs? I suppose there is no way to light a fire under their collectives a****. I am fed up with our do-nothing Congress. Sorry to vent. I just can't believe there isn't something that can force the Reps. to move, even if the country has to endure raised taxes for a few months.
 
 
+7 # Lgfoot 2012-11-16 10:54
How about impeachment for Treason? Putting party ahead of country must have some limits, and they have clearly surpassed any reasonable interpretation of the representatives right to protect his/her party's interests to the detriment of national interest. Four years of strangling the economy in a failed effort to defeat Obama was more than enough.
 
 
-43 # 666 2012-11-15 15:34
why isn't this stuff posted on some right-wing website? reich, two years ago when it was fashionable criticized obamanomics... then, as the election approched, couldn't write rah-rah-vote-fo r-obama columns fast enough...

btw, who actually is the architect of this grand betrayal, mr. reich?

before the election it was vote for obama or the country will go to hell; now will it be "accept the grand betrayal or the country will go to hell" can anyone use reason instead of fear-based sophistry any more?

I vote for the cliff. And I certainly don't want people like reich "saving" us from it.
 
 
+25 # brux 2012-11-15 18:47
weird point of view, i understand what you want but not anything about why, except that you throw around a lot of conservative rhetoric.

why do you blame robert reich as well, he has been dead on in everything he has said, and his suggestions are backed up with facts, history and a lot of famous economists, like Joe Stiglitz for example.

i don't think you really get it. if you want to understand how objective reich is read "the future of success" by him that talks about how all these factors have acted together to get us to this point, a situation he understands better than most and can articulate very well.
 
 
+18 # karlarove 2012-11-15 20:28
Its so weird that people continue to make this about Obama. Congress passes laws, and when they do so, they have agreed to pay them. They are the ones that are responsible for passing a budget. It is interesting that many members of Congress who voted for stuff without any idea of how to pay for it, and the revenue decrease (tax cuts), all in the past, but this is "Obamanomics?" Educate your self. Read about how the Constitution has three specific governing bodies for a reason. Write all your Congress members and tell them to do their blankety blanket jobs. And the Super Committee who was supposed to find a Super solution? Well, they are bought and paid for like the rest of the House, and why you think this is about Obama is crazy.
 
 
+45 # Barbara K 2012-11-15 16:23
Why on Earth do the stupid continue to send stupid Rs to congress? It isn't like we don't already know how inept and childish they are. They are being paid lots of money and do nothing to earn it. Anyone else would be fired from their jobs. How about some recalls? Doubtful if their voters know a single thing that is going on with them. They are the blind leading the blind.
 
 
+42 # AMLLLLL 2012-11-15 17:24
Barbara, I spoke with many of these people, and they are sadly misinformed on all sides. I spoke with women who think liberals are after their religious freedom, or let their husbands do all the politics in the family, including voting! It was tough... I credit Fox Noise and Rash Limbaugh for much of the poisoning of the well. It's so easy to take advantage of these people. All we can do is hope that this election jarred some into doing their own investigating, but that would conflict with their personality type.

We can and should push back against misinformation in the form of political ads to counter the deception. I just saw a dark, ominous anti-Obama ad, and this was after the election! Once every 4 years is not enough to keep the truth out there.
 
 
+16 # BradFromSalem 2012-11-15 20:31
AMLLLLL,

Wow,you really hit on all the points that make people keep returning the "R"s to office. There are a lot of people that paid very little attention to politics most of their lives. That was until they either lost their job or home, or some of their friends lost their jobs and/or homes back starting in late 2008.
So they decided to pay attention, since politics now made a difference in their life, up close and personal. Unfortunately, since they started paying attention late in the game it was very easy for them to accept that it's all Obama's fault. The TV News makes it all easy to understand and that Fox network is the most popular. So they got duped. And since they never paid hard attention in the past, there is very little for them to reference back to.
Most of the Republicans I know are good people. Many fall into the category I just described, and if it wasn't for the systemic dismantling of our economic infrastructure over the past 30+ years they would continue to not pay much attention. Others, are embarrassed by the insanity in the Republican Party; but that's their party and in many but not all cases they continue to vote for the R's.
At the end of thew day, I have found that they tend to hear things differently and the walls in many cases are too thick to break down overnight. We have to keep plugging away, and be ready to learn their language so we can translate Liberal ideas into something they will understand.
 
 
+4 # wantrealdemocracy 2012-11-16 09:55
Oh, come on Barbara. What makes you think it is any stupider to vote for an R or a D? Both of the corporate parties have the same agenda---screw the working people and help the rich get richer. It is true that all politics follow the way of least resistance which is why all of us need to get out on the street and say, loudly and clearly, "No Austerity!"
 
 
+22 # MichaelArchAngel 2012-11-15 16:52
As all plumbers learn "shit flows downhill". Go over the cliff happily! It can be fixed later and if not is still better than any proposed Grand Bargain!
 
 
+8 # tbcrawford 2012-11-15 16:55
Check out the People's Budget...some good ideas there if we can give up our guns!
 
 
-3 # Bildo 2012-11-15 17:08
I don't know why people still think there is a difference between Republican or Democrat. Or, why you even think voting in United States Inc. will do any good for the people. Are you really represented? No matter what, their agenda will be played out. Get ready for a rough ride.
 
 
+4 # BradFromSalem 2012-11-16 07:54
The Democrats have the Progressive Caucus. As tbcrawford notes, they have introduced budget legislation now called the "Budget for All". Additionally, the have reiterated the premise of the budget in their proposal to deal with the fiscal showdown. It's called the "Deal for All".

Check it out, if you like it, spread the word. Remind your Congress persons about it.

cpc.grijalva.house.gov/budget-for-all/

BTW, The Commonwealth of Massachusetts passed a state referendum endorsing this plan.
 
 
0 # bmiluski 2012-11-16 15:28
You might want to start reading something other than the comics. Like, oh I don't know, http://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/congress/.
Does money make a difference in governance....Y ou betcha, always has, always will, in any and every country. It's human nature....So I guess is whining.
 
 
+14 # Susan W 2012-11-15 17:40
And just what makes anyone think they would stick with another deadline? Furthermore, what good is a so-called "trump card" if it is never played?
 
 
+27 # MylesJ 2012-11-15 18:03
I'm with Warren Buffett. Take the leap. In 3 or 4 months the effect will be part of reality. Life will go on, and there will be deficit reduction. I like the Catch-22 approach. Go off the cliff and then the next day propose a tax cut for people making under $250,000 a year. That way there has been no tax increase, just an earlier law being followed, and a tax reduction is then offered. It is the only way to allow the GOP to obey their sworn allegiance to the great god Norquist and make progress on the deficit.
 
 
+30 # jpap100 2012-11-15 18:11
Tax cuts for the 2% must not be extended for a day! Mini-deal should be to extend tax cuts for the 98% period, so as to end uncertainty for a very nervous working class.
 
 
+38 # popeye47 2012-11-15 18:16
Why kick the can down the road for another 2 or 3 months. Draw a line in the sand for Jan. 1
If no compromise let the tax cuts for everyone expire. Then let Obama have a bill for a tax cut for those only making under $250,000. If the Republicans don't vote for it, then the people will hold them accountable.
But we don't delay this decision after Jan. No way.
 
 
+17 # one4all 2012-11-15 18:41
 
 
+12 # Shar 2012-11-15 18:41
What has happen that this country is made of WE THE PEOPLE?
The goofs in Washington DC, keep talking about it costing too much money to pay out people intitlements. It seems to me these are earned benefits and the goofs who collect $80,000.00 for kicking the can, think they deserve a continued paycheck, even though We The People have Fired Them are the ones who are depleating the money.
Can't there be a movement of Citizens to cut this as well as congressional members paying taxes on their health insurance which we pay for as well?
Shar
 
 
+17 # angelfish 2012-11-15 18:43
NO more "kicking the can down the road"! The President GOT his Mandate from the People! The ReTHUGlicans have to STOP the Bull-Puckey and DEAL with the President! The time to "fish or cut bait" has ENDED! WORK for ALL the People and FIX our Fiscal Problems NOW!
 
 
-5 # grandone@charter.net 2012-11-15 19:04
The "cliff" remains.
 
 
+3 # BradFromSalem 2012-11-16 08:00
Actually, the cliff is way past Jan. 1. It actually may never occur. The President actually hold all the cards, which is why he allows the cliff nomenclature to be used. Yes, taxes will go up on the Middle Class along with the tax increase on the wealthy; but the additional revenue will allow the President a lot of additional flexibility to apply that money creatively or just to pay down interest on the debt.

Don't believe what hear on the tv box, their first agenda is to get you go out and but that car or deodorant that they are always telling you about. Stay tuned for more details after this message!
 
 
+9 # truthbug 2012-11-15 19:05
How many here know what "going over the cliff" means? I don't. Yes, it means that there would be a repeal of the Bush tax cuts and a cut in spending. But don't we want the rich to pay more taxes and for the government to cut back on the military? Without knowing the specifics of what the taxes will be and what the cuts will be, we cannot say automatically that we're going over a cliff. I wish Reich would inform us more on what he means by this cliff.
 
 
+17 # banichi 2012-11-15 19:12
The 'Fiscal Cliff' is a myth made up by Republicans - particularly that mofo Boner - to panic people into thinking that there is a terrible disaster going to happen if the tax cuts for the rich don't get extended. (He doesn't care what happens to the middle class or the poor.)

Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC has given it a new name - the 'Fiscal Curb' which describes it much better. As he pointed out, nothing is going to happen immediately if ALL the tax cuts expire - just a bunch of Repuglicans standing there with goo on their faces because they didn't follow orders and scare enough people into supporting another rich-man's tax giveaway.

If you have not seen it yet, check out the Moveon.org and CREDO campaigns to send emails and phone calls to the President, and the members of the House who want to pull this B.S. on us. Let them know that just because the election is over and a horrible fate is averted, we are not going to let up on them. That's the only response that will keep them honest.

And let's all work on getting the s***heads out of office!!
 
 
+17 # Vermont Grandma 2012-11-15 19:24
Obama need backbone. The Republicans have made it clear that they will NEVER engage in bi-partisanship . There is NO point to "kicking the can down the road." To do so show the Republicans, once again, that Obama lacks backbone. They made it clear at the outset of Obama's first term that there would be no compromise, but he wasted time and capital seeking a bipartisan proposal re healthcare, only to see the Republicans vote against it as a block.

Obama did NOT get re-elected to cave to the Republican agenda. Let the cliff come, as it should, as it was expected to. Think of creative solutions for funding human services affected by the "cliff" - perhaps take what's left over of campaign contributions to the Obama campaign and split it up among affected programs to make up some of the cuts and encourage others, like Bernie Sanders and Pat Leahy and other Dems with big campaign pots to do so also, along with George Soros and Bill Gates, etc. etc. etc. But NO DEAL with the intransigent Republicans. They LOST!!! We can better cope with the cliff than having a spineless president.
 
 
+8 # Hey There 2012-11-15 20:48
 
 
+1 # Shar 2012-11-15 20:56
Lets not attack Obama, Grown Men are paid to do a job, which is about keeping Ameican and the citizens in a good position to have a life. They should not be forced to do their job.
Tha Amarican people are the ones who have no backbone, why don't we call, write or go as a crowd to the members who are not doing their job. Thats what needs to be done. Obama is not the father of grown men. Shar
 
 
+6 # sameasiteverwas 2012-11-15 19:46
I'm with Hal Sparks on this one -- extending or not extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy has NOTHING to do with the sequestration deal, and should be handled entirely separately -- they should be allowed to lapse, as the President has promised us, in January, and any grand deals, mini or otherwise, should be made without ANY reference WHATSOEVER to taxes at last going to something NEAR fairness for income over $250,000. I also think that people making money off of money -- not hiring anyone, just playing the market -- should be taxed half a cent per transaction -- not per share, per transaction -- and that money should be used initially to fund things like a Jobs Program for Veterans -- you know, like the one the GOP recently refused to allow to come to a vote. Then a Jobs Program for the rest of us. Also, I think it's time for a national lottery to help fund education. Why NOT?
 
 
+11 # m... 2012-11-15 19:59
Its time for most Democrats to grow a spine and stand for something besides spouting anti-Republican Rhetoric and getting themselves re-elected based on -- Republicans are bad and I'm not a Republican so vote for me.
Maybe begin with following Senator Warren's lead... :)
and view it at your chance to 'Refresh' yourselves with the American People.
You might be surprised at to just what kind of strong and much larger following you gather to yourselves/your 'base'...
 
 
+7 # JSRaleigh 2012-11-15 20:37
It's not better if it ends with another capitulation; cutting Social Security & Medicare while giving the Tbaggers everything they want on tax cuts.
 
 
+1 # politicfix 2012-11-15 21:00
Same old, same old. If Obama says he's going to keep the tax breaks there will be a civil war. He did that 4 years ago. He promised in the election that he wouldn't extend the tax breaks and he did with the threat of the deficit. Here we are again. January will roll around and the fiscal cliff is on the horizon. He'd better not pull the same thing and extend those tax breaks to the rich for even one day. He'd better not fool with social security or medicare or there will be a third party elected in 4 years. If Obama owes Goldman Sachs so much that he's willing to sell the people down the river again, he'd better consider that he has 4 years to deal with the group who put him in there.
 
 
+3 # Working Class 2012-11-16 12:57
 
 
+3 # shenry71 2012-11-16 15:21
Jobs, for the price of one war, we could have had a High Speed Rail system connecting all major metropolitan areas of the country. Hey, why don't we do it now?

Steve
 
 
+1 # shenry71 2012-11-16 19:39
Quoting shenry71:
Jobs, for the price of one war, we could have had a High Speed Rail system connecting all major metropolitan areas of the country. Hey, why don't we do it now?

Steve

Bmiluski, thank you for the Library of Congress citation, however, as Milton Friedman said,"I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you".
 

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