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Lee Romney reports: "Officials surveyed damage Sunday from a volatile Occupy protest that resulted in hundreds of arrests the day before and left the historic City Hall vandalized after demonstrators broke into the building, smashed display cases, cut electrical wires and burned an American flag."

Occupy Oakland demonstrators shield themselves during a confrontation with police, 01/28/12. (photo: Reuters)
Occupy Oakland demonstrators shield themselves during a confrontation with police, 01/28/12. (photo: Reuters)



Is Oakland America's Fallujah?

By Lee Romney, Los Angeles Times

30 January 12

 

Occupy Wall Street: Take the Bull by the Horns

 

Saturday's daylong protest was the most contentious since authorities dismantled the Occupy Oakland encampment late last year.

fficials surveyed damage Sunday from a volatile Occupy protest that resulted in hundreds of arrests the day before and left the historic City Hall vandalized after demonstrators broke into the building, smashed display cases, cut electrical wires and burned an American flag.

Police placed the number of arrests at about 400 from Saturday's daylong protest - the most contentious since authorities dismantled the Occupy Oakland encampment late last year.

Mayor Jean Quan condemned the local movement's tactics as "a constant provocation of the police with a lot of violence toward them" and said the demonstrations were draining scarce resources from an already strapped city. Damage to the City Hall plaza alone has cost $2 million since October, she said, about as much as police overtime and mutual aid.

Oakland has logged five homicides since Friday, and Police Chief Howard Jordan said the law enforcement "personnel and resources dedicated to Occupy reduce our ability to focus on public safety priorities."

The Occupy action was publicized by the group as a planned takeover of a vacant building that would be "repurposed" as a "social center, convergence center and headquarters of the Occupy Oakland movement." In an open letter to Quan on Wednesday, the group warned that if police attempted to thwart the takeover, "indefinite occupation" of Oakland's airport, port and City Hall could follow.

Police prevented an afternoon attempt by protesters to enter the city's idled Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center. Demonstrators then headed to the nearby Oakland Museum of California, where arrests occurred after an order to disperse was ignored. One officer suffered a cut to his face when a demonstrator threw a bicycle at him, another suffered a cut hand and a third was bruised, Watson said. At least one demonstrator was injured.

Later in the night, marchers entered the downtown Oakland YMCA, where hundreds of arrests took place. The City Hall break-in occurred about the same time, officials said.

Throughout the action, some demonstrators threw bottles, rocks, burning flares and other objects at officers. In a tactic that officials said they had not previously encountered, protesters also moved in on the police line carrying elaborate shields. One, displayed at City Hall on Sunday, was about 6 by 4 feet and built of corrugated metal on wood panels, complete with multiple handles. "Commune Move In" was painted on the front.

Occupy Oakland's media committee issued a statement condemning the police response, saying officers did not give demonstrators enough time to disperse before moving in to make mass arrests.

"Contrary to their own policy, the OPD gave no option of leaving or instruction on how to depart," the group said in a news release. "These arrests are completely illegal, and this will probably result in another class action lawsuit against the OPD, who have already cost Oakland $58 million in lawsuits over the past 10 years."

The Police Department is under a federal consent decree stemming from civil rights violations by officers more than a decade ago. A federal judge this month ordered all administrative and policy decisions to first be cleared with a court-appointed monitor.

The department's heavy-handed initial response to last fall's Occupy protests did not help its reputation. The use of tear gas and other projectiles on largely peaceful demonstrators Oct. 25 made international news after a military veteran was struck in the head and seriously injured.

But Quan said Sunday she believed officers had modified their tactics to better single out troublemakers.

"We're tired of one faction using Oakland as their playground," Quan said of demonstrators intent on clashing with police.

Of the first 20 people arrested, she noted, only three were from Oakland. Prosecutors will seek stay-away orders for some of the demonstrators, she added. Such orders were given to a number of people arrested in previous Occupy activity, and Quan said it wasn't clear whether any of them were arrested Saturday.

Oakland officials also will seek monetary damages from protesters, Quan said. In addition, the mayor said she would pursue "restorative justice" by asking that those deemed guilty be put to work picking up garbage and removing graffiti in East Oakland.

In a morning tour of the damaged City Hall, Quan pointed out that a room with a smashed door and toppled soda machine is used for classes for low-income, first-time homeowners. Several flags that had adorned the grand staircase were missing.

City Council agendas and trash littered the floor in the building's grand lobby. Although some graffiti had already been removed, evidence of the previous night's mayhem was visible in broken display cases.

Near the door, a more than century-old architectural model of the regal structure was toppled in its case. Oakland's City Hall was built after the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, and restored after the 1989 Loma Prieta temblor.

"It's really a symbol of how resilient Oakland is," Quan said of the building. "And we'll survive this too."

 

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+34 # CandH 2012-01-30 12:02
I fail to see the title reference to Fallujah in the article, unless of course we are talking about police using DU "smoke bombs," rubber bullets," and "stun grenades" on the Oakland protesters in order to cause massive birth defeats of the children born to them, causing the medical professionals around Oakland to tell the protesters to stop having children as a result: http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2011/03/japan-nuclear-crisis-dangers-radiation @ 4:20 - 5:05 in the video.
 
 
-66 # Robt Eagle 2012-01-30 12:46
Fallujah...in the title, this is just BS pure and simple. The author is looking to incite something that doesn't exist, other than jerks destroying proerty, or trying to use property they do not own or care to rent like law abiding citizens. The rable rousers who destroyed property should be jailed and tried and do jail time like any other piece of garbage.
 
 
+59 # feloneouscat 2012-01-30 14:56
Quoting
The rable rousers who destroyed property should be jailed and tried and do jail time like any other piece of garbage.


Because nothing says "America" like a police state.

Quan lied when she said that everyone would be accorded their civil rights. Her back was against the wall. A vet was in the hospital and frankly, she looked like the bad guy (which, would be because she WAS the bad guy).

She made her bed. Too bad the rest of Oakland has to deal with it.
 
 
+30 # disgusted American 2012-01-30 17:14
You nailed it.

And your comment - Because nothing says "America" like a police state - is priceless!!

Poor Chan. Let me get my violin. Now she's backpedaling - that's what all politicians do. They think we take stupid pills every morning.

Actually, some people do.
 
 
+28 # John Locke 2012-01-30 16:39
Robt Eagle: Try viewing this video. It was a confrontation the protestors were ready for this time, and whether you like it or not, I believe we are much closer to a violent revolution... Reports say that the Oakland police were trained by the US Military... watch the video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFaviIoy4rg

Take a look at what really went down in Oakland on the 28th. it was a war zone with thousands of OWS against a well Federally Trained Oakland police...everyone MUST see what happened... we are now an occupied country...
 
 
+43 # disgusted American 2012-01-30 17:11
Rable rousers?

So, Robt Eagle, what do you call the police thugs who put the Iraqi vet in a coma - he was just standing with a sign?

How about the police thugs who pinned bystanders to the ground, forced open their mouths and pepper sprayed down their throats?

What about the people in NYC who were closing their acc'ts at Bank of America and as they were walking out, cops pushed them back into the bank and arrested them.

OK with you?

Is it OK with you if Chan orders police brutality cuz that's where it's really at?

The U.S. gov't is trashing our lives and turning this nation into a gulag. And when people can't afford to feed their families, have no homes and no jobs b/c the corporations ship the jobs overseas while Congress rakes in lobbyist payola and looks the other way, people become frustrated and angry.

Always been this way throughout history. Remember "Let Them Eat Cake?"
 
 
+17 # John Locke 2012-01-30 19:28
disgusted American: I love your post, How about sending congress a large cake, Think they will get the symbolism?
 
 
+8 # David Starr 2012-01-31 11:09
Balding Eagle,

You have this fetish w/ accusing "rabblerousers" of destroying property. Property: I think of massive damage done as a result of U.S. imperial wars in other countries to important infrastructure, villages, parts of cities, etc. That doesn't seem to bother you, one is so "outraged" at the destruction of property. Your ultranationalis t denial makes you sound like a 1950s Rightie in the stages of mental rigor mortis.
 
 
+46 # bugbuster 2012-01-30 14:29
The Fallujah reference is a bit over the top, I would agree.

If you follow the Occupy forums and chat lines, you see how opinions, emotional content, and communication style are all over the map, with a lot of pretty hotheaded stuff. So I have no doubt that there are some hotheads making trouble in Oakland, which has a history of things like that anyway.

I hope and trust that the mainstream Occupy movememt keeps its eye on the ball like last fall and continues to present itself as a peaceful movement by folks of all ages and walks of life. That is its greatest strength. Public opinion has been fairly sensitive and preceptive so far about "who started it" and who is out of line.

We had a dustup here in our town involving a non-violent but pretty in-your-face and unpleasant group getting up in the face of a drama queen city councilman, who milked it for all it was worth. That didn't help the movement.
 
 
+3 # HJ7 2012-01-30 18:45
Quoting
The Fallujah reference is a bit over the top, I would agree.

If you follow the Occupy forums and chat lines, you see how opinions, emotional content, and communication style are all over the map, with a lot of pretty hotheaded stuff. So I have no doubt that there are some hotheads making trouble in Oakland, which has a history of things like that anyway.

I hope and trust that the mainstream Occupy movememt keeps its eye on the ball like last fall and continues to present itself as a peaceful movement by folks of all ages and walks of life. That is its greatest strength. Public opinion has been fairly sensitive and preceptive so far about "who started it" and who is out of line.


Many of us were happy to support the occupy people in their disgust with the greedy 1% etc. Paying bankers, CEOs, Hollywood personalities, people who knock or throw balls around etc. tens of millions a year is obscene but so is the violence of the now radicalized occupiers. They are losing the support of the man in the street.
 
 
+19 # John Locke 2012-01-30 19:44
HJ7: I hope you are aware that the First American Revolution only had the support of (3%) of the American Population, and we won...This movement even if it turns violent will have at least tha same (3%) and we will win again. Giving you a simple math example, we have some 11 million homes underwater right now, and some 5 million already having been foreclosed, with another maybe 2 million in the pipe. add to that the 25 million unemployed and there is a large potential for a real American Revolution, and the Government fears that it will happen. Thats the reason for the Military providing military hardware to the States and the Homeland detension bill and the facilities already set up to hold millions of Americans... The Banks will not give up without a fight, and they own this government.
 
 
+18 # John Locke 2012-01-30 19:36
bugbuster: This is not India, and we don't have a gandhi to give us a peaceful example. This started out peaceful, but has been infiltrated, and some people who have nothing left will react more violently. As the song goes
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose" The result is that a Violent Revolution is much closer than we dare acknowledge. And when it strikes, there will be bloodsheed on both sides until it is over.
 
 
+27 # giraffee2012 2012-01-30 14:50
Oakland has a "bad" part with gangs and all. The vandalism "looks to me" as if the damage is typical of "gangs" and not OWS - of course, it could have been a mix of the 2. But the fact that the OPD has a history of civil rights suits pending for 10 years - speaks VOLUMES why there is so much trouble in Oakland.

The financial district is across the bay in San Francisco - so I do not understand why the OWS aren't occupying in SF.
 
 
+6 # CandH 2012-01-31 08:39
Quoting
The financial district is across the bay in San Francisco - so I do not understand why the OWS aren't occupying in SF.


Oakland, is a West Coast "Port City," meaning it processes a significant portion of electronics/clothes/automotive goods/etc that are made by "10¢/day non-union 10-yr-old-girls" in Bangladesh/China/Malaysia/Peru/Mexico/etc, for US Corps that pay their CEOs/CFOs/etc Tens of Millions in compensation packages--IE Neoliberalism's NAFTA/CAFTA/etc Global Elites--the 1%.

(Liberals used to care about things like that, and so they knew precisely about the significance of Oakland. In fact, that's how Quan got elected--Labor. But I guess Labor isn't on the agenda of most progressives anymore, hence Quan's stance against anything Labor now.)
 
 
+44 # Glen 2012-01-30 14:52
Yep, bugbuster, good comments. Once there is a crowd forming, it is difficult to control who will then infiltrate that crowd, and many of those infiltrating are plants hired by the government, police force, or are actually members of that police force.

Things really can get out of control, as many who protested in the '60's found out. Nevertheless, ultimately, with fervor and stamina, the message will get out. Of course, the media has its own agenda, so one cannot be sure whose message is being heard.
 
 
+19 # disgusted American 2012-01-30 17:16
Could have been gov't infiltrator's that started the violence so there would be an excuse for the cops - scratch that - thugs to brutalize and arrest.

Then Chan comes out whining and crying all over herself as though her hands are clean.
 
 
+68 # DLT888 2012-01-30 15:04
Don't underestimate cops in plain clothes making believe the are part of the movement and inciting violence like smashing windows, etc. At a strike in Canada, 3 young men arrived and raised hell and, when no one took the bait, the 3 had to be 'arrested' all by themselves and put face down on the ground. The bottom of all 3 pairs of shoes were identical and police-issued! They were cops. So I don't believe 100% the reports that Occupiers did any of this (which may be true or it might not).
 
 
+25 # jerryball 2012-01-30 15:06
"Five homoicides since Friday..." About average for Oakland even without the cops deployed to find the perpetrators, but they never do, so why bother? Oakland is a war zone and the cops are Brown Shirt Assault storm troopers. A No-Man's land.
 
 
+15 # Fatback 2012-01-30 15:18
I really believe the author meant Tahrir Square in Egypt and not Fallujah in Iraq. That would be the only analogy which would allow this headline make any sense. Pretty sloppy writing, unfortunately.
I would liken the most recent Oakland demonstrations to those on college campuses between 1968 and 1971.
 
 
+4 # Jude 2012-01-30 19:15
The headline doesn’t make sense to me either, but in defence of author Lee Romney, I’d like to point out that newspaper writers do not generally write the headlines for their articles. There are specialists for that.
 
 
+1 # NOMINAE 2012-01-31 05:28
Quoting
I really believe the author meant Tahrir Square in Egypt and not Fallujah in Iraq. That would be the only analogy which would allow this headline make any sense. Pretty sloppy writing, unfortunately.
I would liken the most recent Oakland demonstrations to those on college campuses between 1968 and 1971.


Excellent point - a truly chuckleheaded title. However, in many, if not most cases, the article author has no input regarding the "headline title". That, for better or for worse, is usually supplied by whatever media source decides to run the article.
 
 
+23 # diacad 2012-01-30 15:30
Agent-provocateurs are clearly at work here and elsewhere - time for the OWS movement to tighten up a bit.
 
 
+7 # disgusted American 2012-01-30 17:19
Agree and said as much in a comment above. Gov't infiltrators.

Starting March 3, King Obama can use his NDAA which was a "must-have" according to Congress cuz the 1 percent is scared silly.

Violence is the last resort of cowards. Don't recall who said this but credit goes to whoever it was.
 
 
+9 # John Locke 2012-01-30 19:52
disgusted American: I Think Violence is the last resort when you try to accomplish change peacefully, and the opposition won't listen and attacks you. Then I believe Violence is really a form of self defense. I believe this is going to get Violent very quickly. I also believe that at this point in time they are not going to allow a peaceful protest. They want to bury OWS one way or another, But they also want us to all be slaves to the Masters on Wall Street. This (OWS)is a cry for freedom. and those that can stop the abuse won't becsuse they have a vested interest in the system and our submission.
 
 
+7 # Fatback 2012-01-30 15:32
Glen and DLT888.....Spot on!
 
 
+10 # Huck Mucus 2012-01-30 15:34
Yeah, that Flallujah reference took the wind out of the rest of the article. It's an insult to all combatants on any side, and the innocent victims who suffered through that horrible shit. It's like comparing the last Bronco game with the My Lai Massacre.
 
 
-38 # Robt Eagle 2012-01-30 15:40
The cops are doing their jobs of arresting those who are destroying property that does not belong to them, pure and simple. No brown shirts, no police state, just law enforcement like the kind you would want if someone destroyed your home or car.
 
 
+9 # KittatinyHawk 2012-01-30 18:23
You really are for the Bad Guys. I thought you were intelligent but you really have no clue do you.
Do you know what a snitch is? Do you know who the Usual Suspects are? Do you know that Cops go out and do the Mayor's dirty work and pay these creeps to infiltrate groups from Buddhists to OWS then pay them off in drugs?
Your attitude and remark makes me think you are a cop or Political Creep.
 
 
+18 # reiverpacific 2012-01-30 18:43
Quoting
The cops are doing their jobs of arresting those who are destroying property that does not belong to them, pure and simple. No brown shirts, no police state, just law enforcement like the kind you would want if someone destroyed your home or car.

Wrong again, o' reactionary one; I want cops like the kind I grew up with and could talk to, played rugby with (and against) and had the respect of the community well earned who were PART of the community. Not Darth Vader wannabe's who are armed to the teeth, are supposed to be working for us, not the criminals who are at the root of the discontent who won't pay taxes for their upkeep but can call on them as if they did and have gone unpunished. These bully-boys have no basis in any community any more!
Fancy more militarization of them from your safe li'l conformist seat wherever you declaim from? It's coming, armored personnel carriers, drones and all; hope you enjoy it when they "come for you".
 
 
+4 # John Locke 2012-01-31 14:22
Robt Eagle: Yeah Robert, I guess the fact that the Banks robbed this country and most of our citizens of their retirement, while giving themselves billions in bonuses, and kids like your two children are off invading countries around the world for their "banker masters", (and loving it) with the result of hundreds of thousands of civilian casualities as collateral damage, I guess to you that makes much more sense. then the millions of people who are homeless today in America taking over vacant bank owned property for shelter.
 
 
+20 # jwb110 2012-01-30 15:42
The Occupy Oakland folks need to set up a table and get signatures for a recall election of Mayor Quan.
 
 
+33 # RMDC 2012-01-30 15:42
I would not believe the mainstream LA Times on this story. The demonstrators say they did not break into the "historic" city hall.

Given that the suppression of OWS is organized by DHS and FBI, it appears that they have chosen Oakland to be the symbol for violence that is provoked by the police and a lot of infiltrators. this gives all OWS groups a bad name that the mainstream press and Fox and rant and rail about to no end. Using provocateurs is a standard police tactic. There is a ton of evidence over the years of police plain clothed infiltrators destroying property and sometimes shooting people in order to make it appear that the demonstrators are violent. The media can never tell the difference.

We now know with 100% certainty that an FBI agent fired four shots at Kent State that provoked the shooting by the national guardsmen. 1000s of FBI documents were de-classified recently that expose the whole plot. The shooter is known by name and he has been contacted by CNN. He will not talk. He lived under a witness protection program up until a few months ago when he was discovered in Akron, Ohio.

Look for the signs of police/FBI infiltrator and provocateurs.
 
 
+9 # disgusted American 2012-01-30 17:22
Mainstream media is the publicity team for the U.S. gov't so don't believe anything you hear there. It's all political posturing and/or what the gov't wants us to think took place.

Seek the truth and then using what you've found, let your commonsense kick in.
 
 
+7 # John Locke 2012-01-30 20:00
disgusted American: The term is "Propaganda" not "publicity"
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-01-30 18:20
Media know that Cops use tactics like paying off junkies to go and do their dirty work.
Prove it by getting rid of the riff raff.
What do you think the junkies care about your stand. They only care about their fix. Cops are in need of their fixes also, especially those on Political Band Wagon.
 
 
+8 # John Locke 2012-01-30 19:58
RMDC: Very good, yes that is little known about the FBI Inflitrator. I also believe that A lot of people are beginning to question what they read and hear from the "regular" media. I think OWS has made the point and "MOST" people are aware. I said Most, not all.
 
 
+14 # Tiffany49 2012-01-30 15:48
So why doesn't the Mayor find a place where they can stay and "occupy"?
 
 
+3 # John Locke 2012-01-30 20:01
Tiffany49: Her office is too small,
 
 
+8 # Sully747 2012-01-30 15:53
Fallujah?... Not even close...!
 
 
+22 # Suzy T. Kane 2012-01-30 15:59
Between American soldiers firing artillery and mortars in Fallujah, Iraq, and U.S. F-16s dropping bombs on the city, at least 70% of the city's buildings, homes and shops were destroyed. Hundreds were killed and thousands left homeless and without food and water, electricity or medical care. Please do not compare Oakland to Fallajuh.
 
 
+12 # RMDC 2012-01-30 16:30
Fallujah is more like tens of thousands killed. Maybe even a hundred thousand. The city was surrounded on all sides and from the air, and then the population was exterminated -- women, children, old people. Fallujah was one of the great war crimes of all times.

Suzy's right -- don't compare Oakland to Fallujah.
 
 
+12 # umrayya 2012-01-30 16:12
Oakland = Falluja?! Are you SERIOUS? Engage in extreme hyperbole much?

The United States military destroyed Falluja, murdered and maimed thousands of innocent human beings, and filled what was left of the city with toxic chemicals causing massive numbers of birth defects in the babies born there.

Likening what happened in Oakland to the devastation wrought on Falluja is just downright offensive and an insult to the historical city of Falluja and the human beings whose lives the United States military destroyed there.
 
 
+16 # reiverpacific 2012-01-30 16:13
Here is what Scott Olsen, the two-tour US Marine who was maimed and still suffers from the hit he took from a direct police projectile during an earlier peaceful protest said recently.

"They are terrorizing us from going out [to demonstrations] . That is a sad statement for our country." Olsen also says he expects to rejoin the Occupy and antiwar protests as his recovery progresses. "I look forward to being a part of the 99 percent and Iraq Veterans Against the War in 2012," he says [Source, "Democracy Now" website].

Now THAT takes courage and is a reminder that the cops bring on themselves much of the anger and inevitable push-back of the repressed -and as DLT888 rightly mentions, the agents provocateurs are always there, cowardly blacklegs and paid agitators, to add to the mayhem and indeed instigate it. I uncovered several of them whilst being a marshall or order-keeper at several large 60's and 70's demonstrations in Scotland, England and Europe and delighted in turning them over to their own cop-bosses!

I am actually saddened by the damage but consider the permanent and unreconciled damage to so many lives, still unpunished by lack of prosecutions of the true criminals, more foreclosures, more skullduggery uncovered by the banks and insouciance by Wall Street. I don't know about the "Fallujah" title but the heel of the oppressor is there and they continue to profit unchecked.

They are the real "pieces of garbage" RobtEagle is referring so tritely to!
 
 
+8 # mishanti2 2012-01-30 17:52
If these mayors had let these Occupy folks stay where they were peacefully protesting NONE of this violence would have happened. They stood in the park in NYC for almost 2 months and no violence till Bloomburg got his panties in a twist and started evictions. Leave them alone to protest and violence will stop. But these mayors are beholden to the police who have been trained by our military. Can't have all that training and let them not use it.
 
 
+8 # bluepilgrim 2012-01-30 16:28
One story at http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jan2012/oakl-j30.shtml says black-block had heavy attendance, and they might have done some damage. So could police provocateurs, or gangs. Hard to sort it out.

What is clear is that the oligarchy are very worried and that occupy is not over nor will it fade away, despite that propaganda from the oligarchy and it's media. It is also clear that the violence and repression from the government is not working at all.

This is what the collapse of empire and capitalism looks like.

BTW, there are reports of the US using both white phosphorus and other chemical weapons in Fallujah, and also not depleted uranium but slightly enriched uranium was found -- the city was attacked with some sort of new nuclear weapon.
 
 
+6 # SOF 2012-01-30 16:52
The reference to Fallujah was irresponsible. And, Police and FBI provocateurs are an old, known tactic -along with divide and conquer.
Oakland has some angry people who have been abused, exploited, shut out, shot at (and killed). That, not Occupy, makes people feel hopeless and eventually violent. Over-reaction by police -who have a long reputation of terrible abusive and violent behavior- is a big part of the problem. That does not excuse the violence.
And City Hall does belong to Oakland residents. According to witnesses the doors were open and ajar. Whoever trashed it is a dumb jerk -and we don't know who that was.
Although we (still) have the Constitutional Right to assemble in order to seek redress of grievance (unfair, abusive and protected financial system), it is a sign of the power of 1% and collusion by government, that city ordinance is used to prevent that Right.
Occupy must recommit to non-violence. It requires strength of commitment and discipline to maintain in a violent situation, but Non-Violence is the only way!
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-01-30 18:17
Most likely the Cops paid off their snitches to do this. In most other Cities they have been recruiting the Usual Suspects to hang out and they pay them off with drugs from locker room.

Keep come and focused, rid yourself of the transients. Told NY same, Cops need to give Media proof of violence and looting to keep the image bad. Grow up, learn the facts. We did a lot without violence and still do.
 
 
+2 # geov 2012-01-30 17:14
Suzy - Don't forget the white phospherous. The Fallujah reference is both nonsensical and grossly insulting.

Are there agent provocateurs in OO? Undoubtably. But they're not needed, because there's also plenty of young hotheads eager to do the state's work for free.

Most local Occupy groups have been admirably disciplined in their commitment to nonviolence. A few on the West Coast, especially Oakland, have not, and they're giving a bad name to the whole movement. Most of the "99 percent" want nothing to do with this sort of mindless hooliganism. This sort of mayhem doesn't further the "revolution" - it undermines it.
 
 
+6 # Stephen 2012-01-30 17:28
Oakland is where the revolution begins
 
 
+2 # HJ7 2012-01-30 18:57
Quoting
Oakland is where the revolution begins


Isn't evolution better than revolution with it's associated death and destruction? Revolution so often just leads to a new bunch of even more vicious thugs running the show.
 
 
+3 # John Locke 2012-01-30 20:05
HJ7: I can name a good Exception. The American Revolution, and remember this is not Europe the Mid East, Africa or Asia. America consists of a mixture of people whose ancestors already went through various revolutions. The French Revolution was very successful and followed the example of our own
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-01-30 18:14
Oakland finest is paying people to ravage City Hall at Taxpayers expense and then blame it on OWS per usual.
Guess they have lots of smack hanging out for their junkie snitches.

OWS stand tall, keep away from the Oakland Usual Suspects. We are keeping the prayers in the NE
 
 
+1 # wfalco 2012-01-30 18:25
Poor choice of words for the title.Fallujah? Fallujah- where a city was decimated and thousands were slaughtered.
I don't get the comparison unless the author was suggesting the protesters were on the verge of mass destruction.
As an "Occupy" sympathizer I have difficulty in agreeing with their methods of violence. It appears they were being a bit provocative against the police and destruction of property is unacceptable. The provacatuers can destroy a hopeful and rather profound movement. If mayhem and chaos is viewed by the average American (who may be on the verge of understanding the whole 99 versus 1 percent philosophy)the movement will be lost. If a radical like myself is against violence than certainly moderately conservative Americans(about 60% of the citizenry)will be appalled.
The lessons of Ghandi and King must be preached to the hooligan element-who are not the majority of the "Occupy" bunch.
Throw in a dose of Bhuddist philosophy and we just might have a peaceful revolution. But a violent revolution in the USA is impossible and not acceptable to any rational human being.
 
 
0 # CandH 2012-02-01 10:08
Agent Provocateurs--Age old tactics by the Police:

"Numerous pieces of evidence have surfaced that seem to prove that the Mossos d'Esquadra, Catalonia's autonomous police force, used agents provocateurs during yesterday's #15M movement protests outside the Catalan parliament." http://www.thebadrash.com/2011/06/16/catalan-police-use-agents-provocateurs-in-attempt-to-trigger-riot/

"Traditionally, an agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent(s)") is a agent employed by the police or other entity to act undercover to entice or provoke another person to commit an illegal act. More generally, the term may refer to a person or group that seeks to discredit or harm another by provoking them to commit a wrong or rash action." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

And there are now countless incidences by insiders at the recent Oakland protest, including the independent press, who are reporting APs and their direct violence and/or incitement of it.
 
 
+5 # Activista 2012-01-30 20:09
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFaviIoy4rg

police shooting into the group of protesters protecting their wounded comrade.
I believe that shooting wounded is WAR CRIME - quite sick and criminal.
 
 
+4 # Glen 2012-01-31 05:55
I watched that video, thank you Activista, and a number of others posted. Pretty rough. The cops have far more weapons at their disposal than in the past so any demonstrators must wear appropriate clothing, which gives the appearance of their being rougher than they really are. Very deceptive. Some of the participants have developed the ole Roman method of using shields - good idea.
 
 
0 # daveapostles 2012-01-30 21:34
It's very sad and will likely be counterproducti ve.
 
 
+3 # mswyers 2012-01-30 21:56
Is the statement "Oakland has logged five homicides since Friday" meant to imply that Occupy Oakland was directly responsible, or that the Oakland police are usually clairvoyant in their ability to prevent homicide when otherwise not distracted?
Personally I don't trust the Oakland police - you only have to look into the bogus investigation of the Scott Olson maiming - retired police officers and military doing the investigation? Really? Couldn't find a more impartial group to investigate? It boggles the mind.

It appears the city has been begging for a buyer or tenant for this building at the center of the Occupy Oakland controversy. It's not up to code - has anyone suggested to the Mayor the building could be made available to a group representing the communities' interests in exchange for bringing it in compliance with the proper building codes? That would be leadership.

http://occupyoakland.org/2011/11/city-seeks-tenants-for-the-henry-j-kaiser-convention-center-at-10-tenth-street/
 
 
+1 # rosross 2012-01-31 00:12
It is not appropriate to use a reference to Fallujah given how many men, women and children were murdered and maimed in this war crime. Violence is never an answer to anything and the Occupy Movement will do itself great damage by resorting to violence and inappropriate hyperbole such as the Fallujah comparison.
 
 
+5 # reiverpacific 2012-01-31 08:21
Quoting
Quoting
Oakland is where the revolution begins


Isn't evolution better than revolution with it's associated death and destruction? Revolution so often just leads to a new bunch of even more vicious thugs running the show.

Absolutely -but!
Unfortunately, the US has "Evolved" into a police state that increasingly quashes all freedoms of expression against what the "Man-in-the -street" began to accept as the status-quo but has come to realize by the recently-imposed depression, which has taken so much of what they and many of their neighbors worked for and stayed passive and disengaged about.
They are now forced to "evolve" into a critical mass which has no alternative but to push back.
Yes, this particular incident is regrettable in some of it's damage outcome and I think that the reference to "Fallujah" is specious at best and stupid at worst but these people were reacting to a precedent set by an especially brutal police action (again, ask Scott Olsen).
Perhaps if the forces of repression showed some evolution AWAY from thugishness, brutality and willingness to allow peaceful and organized freedom of assembly and by default, speech, we could all "Evolve" together, what?
 
 
+3 # berensmann 2012-01-31 20:03
We can go back a bit further than Fallujah, to Paris 1789...
The king's army (Oakland police) representing the aristocracy (our 1%) put down small outbursts throughout the city with such violence that it enraged the general population to revolution. It's "those who refuse to learn from history etc...." once more. The royalty never believed they were in danger until it was too late. And,it may be too late!
 
 
+1 # Texas Aggie 2012-02-01 20:58
"personnel and resources dedicated to Occupy reduce our ability to focus on public safety priorities."

Until the recent violence brought about by the police, once again, there was no reason that police personnel were necessary for Occupy. The first time, what damage were they causing and who were they a danger to? None and no one. This time if they had been allowed to occupy a vacant building, none of this would have happened.

The police, like most of the right wing, are experts at playing the victim as they victimize everyone else.

" Quan said of demonstrators intent on clashing with police."

I notice she had no problem with police intent on clashing with demonstrators. That in itself says all you need to know about what's going on.
 
 
0 # BenECoyote 2012-02-02 22:52
With Quan's increasing sell out to corporate pressures, it is imperative to replace her with a mayor that puts people first. The justice Party was formed to do just that, get the corporate schills and the money that buys them out of government, and return to a government by the people, for the people. Rocky Anderson is running for president on the JP ticket, http://www.voterocky.org/?recruiter_id=57374 He is the only presidential candidate to endorse OWS, but the JP was co-founded by one of the occupy dc organizers.
So, in order to make real change, we need people on the state and local levels to occupy the ballot in 2012 and run for office. If we aren't doing everything we can for peace, including voting, registering voters, and running candidates, then the corporations win.
 

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