Intro: "The looters and rioters who torched Britain's neighborhoods are "doing Big Brother" a favor by giving the government more latitude to destroy citizens' rights and freedoms, says WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange."
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, winner of the Martha Gelhorn journalism prize, 06/02/11. (photo: Linda Nylind/Guardian UK)
Assange: Rioters Are Doing "Big Brother" a Favor
14 August 11
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Riots put UK rights at risk, says WikiLeaks' Assange.
he looters and rioters who torched Britain's neighbourhoods are "doing Big Brother" a favour by giving the government more latitude to destroy citizens' rights and freedoms, says WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.
"Great Britain has turned itself into an Orwellian 1984 during the last decade, yet all those cameras and anti-terror laws could not prevent this recent chaos," he told the Star from England, where he is awaiting the outcome of his appeal against extradition to Sweden, which wants him for questioning in connection with a sexual assault case.
British Prime Minister David Cameron touched off a fierce debate Thursday by suggesting that the rioters, who have called up mob attacks through social media and instant messaging, could be shut down in cyberspace.
"When people are using social media for violence we need to stop them," he told the House of Commons. "We are working with the police, the intelligence services and industry to look at whether it would be right to stop people communicating via these websites and services when we know they are plotting violence, disorder and criminality."
The popular BlackBerry Messenger - produced by Canada's Research in Motion - had given police a new headache because of its closed network, he added: "we've got to examine that and know how to keep up with them."
Some MPs agreed, including Tory Louise Mensch, who tweeted that Cameron's plans were "common sense" and if Facebook and Twitter were carrying messages that incited violence "the world won't implode" if they were shut down for an hour or two. BlackBerry earlier announced that it was co-operating with police.
But advocates responded angrily that Cameron was "shooting the messenger," and covering up the government's inadequate responses by blaming social media and BlackBerry's free messaging service that is widely used by younger and poorer Britons.
"The naive public often is ready to sacrifice its privacy, and laws safeguarding basic freedom and rights in exchange for safety, guaranteed by the state," Assange said. "Now it is clear that governments cannot keep their promises."
Britain has extensive security laws that date back to the days of IRA terrorism. Surveillance grew in the early 2000s after the 9/11 attacks, and "7/7" assault on London transport that killed 52 people in July 2005. But as the riots spread this week, Cameron said he had asked the police if they needed additional powers.
Assange said the British government was paying the price "for creating a society that denies young people both responsibility, trust and proper challenges," adding "it is time to rethink rather than restrict things even more. The real problems, which led up to the riots, can only be solved by the whole community, not the government or police."
While Britons are outraged by the destruction of the riots, many are reluctant to blame the new media.
"Digital technology did play a role in providing rioters with an organizational tool," said sociologist Frank Furedi of University of Kent. "But the more important factor has been the role of the police or more specifically the disorganization of the institutions of law and order.
"Those who are involved in �recreational rioting' are not abnormal feral youngsters but young people who simply have no stake in their community."
Experts say that in any case shutting down social media sites or the Internet is unlikely to work.
"The first option requires every social media firm to cooperate with government," says an article in politics.co.uk. "Even if that were achievable individuals would still be able to create a new account."
And it said a Chinese-style "final option" of shutting down Internet access to turbulent regions would be so drastic "it would require highly controversial new powers to implement."
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The FCC is also to blame for perpetrating the likes of Fox News, Clear Channel and other nefarious media giants who prefer spewing propaganda and inventing crises to providing actual news and information. The FCC allowed conglomerates like Fox and Clear Channel to consolidate thousands of media outlets around the U.S. -- radio, TV, billboards, etc. -- thereby cornering the market on "news." The result is far less local news, blatantly false insinuations, and a gargantuan mouthpiece to foment fear and lies. And the saddest thing is, try to talk to a faithful follower of Fox News. They just don't get how they're being hoodwinked. I know one gentlemen, a survivor of Nazi Germany, who is glued to Fox News every night for two hours and believes nothing he doesn't hear on Fox.
Wall Street CEOS should be brought to justice. But even before that, I would love to see Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes tarred, feathered, and run out of the U.S. on a rail.
The difference is subtle, but important. MainStreetMento r is essentially saying that Obama is a bum, but he's "our bum".
John Locke apparently considers Obama a "bum" with no other redeeming attributes.
Both are valid and rational perspectives, depending upon their authors' points of view, the expression of which is what these online forums are supposed to be all about.
However, the reason for the dramatic difference in the "thumbs up/down" that you note above is simply that people responding to this article are not inclined to consider, or to even allow, an opinion that does not parrot their own.
Thus, the RSN comment thread that follows most articles becomes an "echo chamber" more similar to, than differentiated from, the very right wing echo chamber that everyone is so understandably unhappy with.
Popular gut-level *sentiments* are applauded, unpopular expressions are boo-ed. Thoughtful discourse itself be damned.
Take off the blinders we must, and recognize that our only HOPE for CHANGE is to say no to candidates from both parties, not merely 'damn a Dem. but vote for them'. Why so?
Your term 'corporate sycophant in the White House' says it all. No mere accident the Faux News is spinning we the sheeple with hype re. OhBombAh's coming landslide. Our villainaire rulers know well that none of the G.O.P. losers they've been distracting us with have a chance in hell of winning. The rulers want their boy, OhBombAh - a continuation of their puppet whore "W" - to return for another four years of more war, war, war for oil, oil, oil, and no real change to the evilrulers' total control of everything and everyone.
Only hope we have? Mass turnout of the 99%ers for an Independent such as Sanders, a non-bought Dem. such as Kucinich, or a fully tested vs. promising third party candidate.
It's far from over - plenty of time before the 2012 election next Nov. to experience a massive surge against the villianaire 1%ers and their candidates, and a recognition that huge ad campaigns, financed by the villainaires, are mere spinning. Candidates for pres. and congress and states offices who say no to such 'Kochsucking' buyouts may just pull it off in '12, providing we can get such 99%er serving people to run and announce their candidacy in a timely nad truthful manner.
Speaking about "willful blindness toward the facts," progressives need to wake up to the potential for stolen and fixed elections a la 2000 and 2004 (see respected journalist Mark Crispin Miller's work on this). The Republicans -- because they more and more represent an obsolete world view can ONLY win by cheating. We should be aware of this.
And maybe, just maybe, 2012 is the year when we abandon that other party, the Democrats, in favor of a third wave party that combines the most functional aspects of progressive and conservative (freedom and responsibility, pulling the plug on the Fed, replacing the income tax with a tax on speculative transactions). Think it can't happen?
Just watch ...
Would love to believe we will see a third wave party emerge in 2012 as farfetched as it may seem.
Who would have believed that TIME magazine would label them as "Most Important" and feature them as they are doing.
And then the only way to stop the Republicans would be a civil war. Not like the peacefull movement of the OWS but a bloody real civil war.
Obama has never had a strong Democratic congress to back him up and when he does cave it is because he is thinking of the hundreds of thousands of American that would suffer if he did not give in some things to the Repugs.
What he needs is a strong and powerfull 100% Democrats in the Congress so he does not have to give in some things to the Repugs.
What you people are suggesting will only weaken the Democratic party and enable the republicans to win again and we will start going back to the laws of 1889.
Thank you but no thanks.
Sorry most Democrats are decent people while most Repugs are horrible people.
If Obama has the support of the congress
Democrats) we will be able to get rid of a lot of those horrible laws they have enacted.
However this can only happen if we do not break up our party and start voting a third party in.
You darn well know the Repugs will vote in droves for all Republicans and that just may be the one to win.
God Forbid.
If Republican's win this election we will be stuck with a Republican Supreme Court for centuries to come .
Some of you sat at home in 2010 and the results were these Tea Baggers in Congress trying to make all sorts of crazy laws while the Republican corporation bought Justices made corporations people essentially able to buy a candidate .
Haven't you learned a lesson from that !Whether you like what Obama has done as president isn't as important as the alternative if you allow the Republican's to win .
We stand a chance of evening up those odds if Obama wins and appoints two more Democratic justices to replace those who will be retiring !
What we need to do is get rid of the Bluedogs and replace them with Liberal Democrats and vote real Democrat's to Congress ,the Senate and governors and mayors in our states . This is how the Tea Baggers came to Washington and changed laws in their states . We have to vote smart not stupid !
The President doesn't make the laws Congress and the Senate does as well as the mayors and governors in the states . If Obama had a clear majority in both houses of left leaning Democrats he would have to move further to the left .
If Obama had not done when he became president we would have gone over the hill.
If you think he is as Republican as the others how come they don't cheer him? They certainly were for Cain who is also black.
No they came after him because he has tried time again to do the right thing.
If he did what they wanted they would have cheered him and welcomed him, so you are entirely wrong. Do you think he had a magic wand to just turn everything around?
What he need is a strong Democratic Congress behind him, and what some of you are suggesting voting for a third party will just weaken the Democratic party and help the Republicans to win.
God Forbid.
You can not lay all the blame for Obama's failures on a weak Democratic Congress or even Republicans in Congress. Obama the candidate has simply not turned out to be the same person that we see now that he's president.
From the outset, for example, many of us were immediately alarmed and disappointed when we saw him choose the likes of Summers and Geithner (Robert Rubin clones) as part of his economic team. These people have never been committed to jobs and the American worker! On the contrary, their primary concern was Wall Street. Moreover, Obama pretty much ignored those in his administration like Christina Romer and Paul Volker. Watch the documentary Inside Job; it's an eye-opener.
the most votes were for Ron Paul with 23%. Fox headline then states that Paul had jumped into second place. even when a guy gets the votes he still doesn't win on Fox, whether his name is Gore or Paul
I continue to mull over the reason for it all, beyond the obvious.
They are NOT Americans for they don't give a damn, that they are weekening the country, and McCain and the other hawks are helping them. Our country is bleeding to death with all the right wing wars, and still they are itching to start a war with Iran.
Our poor men and women in the military are killing them selves at a greater rate than our enimies. It is a tragedy and disgrace,
Of course there is no money for education, so China, India and Brazil are zooming ahead of us. They don't need to fight us, They can just wait and pick up the pieces, when the country crumbles.
Hell...I long for the days of Richard Nixon. No emphasis on cutting social programs and he was an environmental liberal.
His scandal (Watergate) pales in comparison to what Junior Bush did with Iraq-nearly 4500 Americans dead and untold thousands of Iraqis massacred... for what? Of course I am aware of the atrocities of Vietnam,Laos, and Cambodia on Dick's watch. But he inherited Vietnam.
We fail to realize how far right we have fallen when the Dickster can be viewed as a liberal.
So true, they are void of facts, and throw out lies as catch phrases that their faithful followers regurgitate back up as facts. Fair and Balanced is an opposite mantra for Fox News really is, they are more apt to be dishonest and void of any facts. They lie...anyone who thinks they dont are being mislead by them and brainwashed. On the upside, maybe the Teabaglicans will have to revamp and get out of the opinion news and back into the real world not the one Rupert Murdoch has created for them, that is now destroying them.
They are in opposite world when Fox News says its:
Fair and Balanced it means we are lying out our asses.
No Spin it means we are spinning everything out our asses.
The real news you can bet they are lying and making things up that will tickle the ears of their faithful veiwers. No truth but just lying out their asses.
Look at Ruperts world...Greedy One Percent Party time, and its not so excellent! Hes crazy like a Fox news report.
Or rather their brains are getting annihilated.
The Republicans would love him and back him all the way. You know darn well they do not. And not because he is black (they so loved Cain until his (sexy woman appeared). But because he has fought for the 99%. Some times caving in on some things only to get the good things passed because that was the only way he could could get it.
"I'm sick and tired of hearing things
From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocrites
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
I've had enough of reading things
By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of Tricky Dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of hope
Money for dope
Money for rope
I'm sick to death of seeing things
From tight-lipped, condescending, mama's little chauvinists
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth now
I've had enough of watching scenes
Of schizophrenic, ego-centric, paranoiac, prima-donnas
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth
No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of Tricky Dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of hope
It's money for dope
Money for rope "
The Tricky Dick is not as dated as one may think, in fact the line was truly prophetic. Ailes first proposed the concept of privately owned propaganda based TV as a mean to manipulate the masses.
The big banks are backing Obama because he can keep the liberals in the population and congress quiet and in line. If there were a republican in the Whore House, there would be 10 times the protest and a real rebellion might actually be at hand. The liberal imperialist keeps the same policies going but gives some appearance of decency and legitimacy to the same old murder, theft, aggression, and corruption.
The big banks, CIA, and Pentagon are working for the same strategy they pulled off in 1996 when the Republican nominated a viagra charged up Bob Dole to run against Bill Clinton. The fascists wanted Clinton because he was doing their work and keeping the whole world quiet about it. The senile but erect Bob Dole was the perfect loser, someone who referred to himself in the third person.
So we will get another republican loser who will go down to Obama. But Obama deserves to be dumped because he is a tool of the fascists on Wall Street and the Pentagon. He campaigned by raising people's hopes that the really horrible policies of Cheney could be reversed. Obama has not reversed any of them. He has made them even worse than Cheney ever could have because Cheney had no credibility or legitimacy. Dump Obama. Who cares what republican replaces him? Let the full scale rebellion begin against a Newt.
Let's hope the election won't have to be decided by the Supreme Court.
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It's a common mistake, but I need to call your attention to the fact that you used an incorrect word - since 2000(or earlier) SCOTUS is known as the "Subprime" Court...and it will be known as such until the three remaining members that are traitors(Thomas , Scalia and Kennedy)quit or are replaced...hope fully by people of higher moral & ethical character!
Very nearly 100% of all our economic problems were caused by Republican policies, the very same ones that caused the panic of 1893 and he great depression. The slow (but steady) job creation has been held down by Republicans filibustering 44 jobs creation bills from the Pelosi House.
Certainly Obama has his faults, mostly from either weakness in standing up to the corruption of the entire Republican party or his continuing Bush policies. So, fault him for that, but understand that every Republican is infinitely worse.
The only way we will ever recover is to make certain that Republicans have no say in anything political until they have purged the wingnut component and the corrupt politicans who filibuster everything and who consistently vote FOR pollution and against tax increases on the 1%. In fact the 1% were surveyed and 68% of them said the taxes should be raised, so the only people they're representing are the Kock brother corrupt element.
There are only 5 reasons to vote Republican: Ignorance, stupidity, Insanity, bigotry and greed.