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Excerpt: "As we sought to clarify how the CIA had handled information about the hijackers before 9/11, we found a half dozen former government insiders who came away from the Sept. 11 tragedy feeling burned by the CIA, particularly by a small group of employees within the agency's bin Laden unit in 2000 and 2001, then known as Alec Station."

President George W. Bush, Condoleezza Rice and George Tenet in The Oval Office, October 2001. (photo: Eric Draper/The White House)
President George W. Bush, Condoleezza Rice and George Tenet in The Oval Office, October 2001. (photo: Eric Draper/The White House)



CIA's Account of 9/11 Under Attack

By Rory O'Connor and Ray Nowosielski, Salon

16 October 11



growing number of former government insiders - all responsible officials who served in a number of federal posts - are now on record as doubting ex-CIA director George Tenet�s account of events leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. Among them are several special agents of the FBI, the former counterterrorism head in the Clinton and Bush administrations, and the chairman of the 9/11 Commission, who told us the CIA chief had been �obviously not forthcoming" in his testimony and had misled the commissioners.

These doubts about the CIA first emerged among a group of 9/11 victims' families whose struggle to force the government to investigate the causes of the attacks, we chronicled in our 2006 documentary film "Press for Truth." At that time, we thought we were done with the subject. But tantalizing information unearthed by the 9/11 Commission�s final report and spotted by the families (Chapter 6, footnote 44) raised a question too important to be put aside:

Did Tenet fail to share intelligence with the White House and the FBI in 2000 and 2001 that could have prevented the attacks? Specifically, did a group in the CIA's al-Qaida office engage in a domestic covert action operation involving two of the 9/11 hijackers, that - however legitimate the agency�s goals may have been - hindered the type of intelligence-sharing that could have prevented the attacks? And if not, then what would explain seemingly inexplicable actions by CIA employees?

As we sought to clarify how the CIA had handled information about the hijackers before 9/11, we found a half dozen former government insiders who came away from the Sept. 11 tragedy feeling burned by the CIA, particularly by a small group of employees within the agency's bin Laden unit in 2000 and 2001, then known as Alec Station.

Among them was Gov. Thomas Kean, co-chairman of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, which was responsible for investigating 9/11. He agreed to an on-camera interview for our documentary in 2008. He surprised us by voicing many doubts and questions about the CIA�s actions preceding Sept. 11 - and especially about former CIA director George Tenet.

Four years after Tenet testified to the commission, Kean said the CIA director had been �obviously not forthcoming� in some of his testimony. Tenet said under oath that he had not met with President Bush in the month of August 2001, Kean recalled. It was later learned he had done so twice.

Did Tenet misspeak? we asked the New Jersey Republican.

�No, I don't think he misspoke,� Kean responded. "I think he misled."

A Tale of Two Hijackers

The story buried in footnote 44 of Chapter 6 of the 9/11 Commission report was this:

The commission became aware in early 2004 of a warning written by Doug Miller, an FBI agent working inside the CIA�s Alec Station. In January 2000, Miller tried to inform his bosses about a man named Khalid Al Mihdhar, who had previously been identified as a member of an al-Qaida operational cadre. By the spring of 2000, the CIA had learned that Mihdhar and another suspected al-Qaida operative, Nawaf Al Hazmi, had likely arrived in Southern California. But the CIA did not pass along the information to the FBI.

The draft cable - blocked by Miller�s CIA superiors - was not turned over to the commissioners or to the earlier congressional investigation. It was discovered in CIA records by an investigator working for a concurrent inquiry conducted by the Justice Department�s inspector general. Apparently it had been missed by Tenet�s DCI Review Group, convened immediately after the attacks to examine CIA records in order to prepare the director for the coming government investigations.

Kean was disturbed by the revelation.

�The idea that that information was left out of something that was so essential for the FBI, whose job it is to work within the United States and track these people � you know, it�s one of the most troubling aspects of our entire report, that particular thing," Kean said.

We pushed Kean. Could it be this was a simple mistake, a failure to recognize the significance of Mihdhar and Hazmi, as the CIA had initially characterized it?

�Oh, it wasn�t careless oversight,� Kean replied. �It was purposeful. No question about that in my mind � In the DNA of these organizations was secrecy.�

Mihdhar and Hazmi boarded American Flight 77 at Washington Dulles airport on the morning of Sept. 11. After the plane took off, they joined three other men in commandeering the aircraft and flying it into the Pentagon, killing a total of 184 people.

So how then had George Tenet and those responsible at the CIA managed to get away with misrepresenting the incident as a mistake for so long?

"Tenet was a likable guy,� Kean concluded. �He got away with some stuff because people liked him.�

�Malfeasance and Misfeasance"

In 2009, former White House counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke took the scenario further. In an on-camera interview he suggested that Tenet, once a close friend and colleague, had ordered the withholding of the information about the two al-Qaida operatives from the FBI and from the White House.

Clarke explained why he had come to that remarkable conclusion. Tenet, he said, followed all information about al-Qaida �in microscopic detail� and would call Clarke at the White House several times a day to share �the most trivial of information.� In addition, there were terrorism threat meetings held in person every other day.

We must have had dozens, scores of threat committee meetings over the time when they knew these guys had entered the country � They told us everything except this � So now the question is, why?

The only explanation Clarke could offer was admittedly speculative: that the CIA may have been running an operation to recruit the two al-Qaida operatives while they were living under their own names in Southern California. This might appear to have been a reasonable thing for the CIA to do. After all, Bill Clinton's White House had long complained to the agency about the lack of penetration agents in al-Qaida.

But if the CIA was following or recruiting or monitoring Mihdhar and Hazmi in the United States, that might well have qualified as operating on U.S. soil, a violation of the agency's charter. Once the two men were identified as hijackers on Flight 77, CIA officials may have begun a coverup of their earlier �malfeasance and misfeasance," as Clarke charges.

His language is blunt, especially for a national security policymaker.

�I am outraged and have been ever since I first learned that the CIA knew these guys were in the country,� explained Clarke. �But I believed for the longest time that this was probably one or two low-level CIA people who made the decision not to disseminate the information. Now that I know that 50 CIA officers knew this, and they included all kinds of people who were regularly talking to me, saying I�m pissed doesn�t begin to describe it.�

Clarke said he assumed that �there was a high-level decision in the CIA ordering people not to share that information.� When asked who might have issued such an order, he replied, �I would think it would have been made by the director,� referring to Tenet - although he added that Tenet and others would never admit to the truth today �even if you waterboarded them.�

The view from the FBI

We found the same suspicion was also prevalent among FBI counterterrorism agents from the time, particularly those who had worked under a legendary FBI agent named John O�Neill in New York. O�Neill, movingly portrayed in Lawrence Wright's Pulitzer Prize-winning "The Looming Tower," was one of the special agents in charge of counterterrorism in the FBI�s New York office. He retired to serve as chief of security at the World Trade Center and was killed in the Sept. 11 attacks, only three weeks after leaving the bureau.

O'Neill's deputy for counterterrorism was Pasquale D�Amuro, who was appointed inspector in charge of the FBI�s investigation into the attacks.

�I am cautious about saying it, because you have to deal with the facts,� D'Amuro told us. He said that he was told that Richard Blee, the chief of Alec Station, and his deputy, Tom Wilshere, had blocked the sharing of intelligence on Mihdhar and Hazmi with the FBI.

"I had heard that Blee stopped it from coming over, that Blee and Wilshere had had the conversation and stopped it,� D�Amuro said. �There�s no doubt in my mind that that went up further in the agency than just those two guys. And why they didn�t send it over - to this day, I don�t know why.�

Jack Cloonan, former manager at the FBI�s al-Qaida-busting I-49 Squad, is another insider pained by the CIA's actions.

�If you start to look into everything that�s Khalid Al Mihdhar and Nawaf Al Hazmi, you can�t help but conclude to most people�s minds that this is it,� Cloonan, said during an emotional interview in his New Jersey living room. �9/11 occurred not because the systems failed. The systems actually worked. Somebody made a critical decision not to share this information � If you look at this, it�s really just a handful of people. I don�t know how they sleep at night, I really don�t."

The CIA's failure to inform the FBI meant that a last chance to stop the hijackers was missed, says Clarke.

�And if they had�.� Clarke told us, his voice trailing off. �Even as late as Sept. 4," he went on, "we would have conducted a massive sweep. We would have conducted it publicly. We would have found those assholes. There�s no doubt in my mind - even with only a week left - we would have found them�"

Clarke is not an infallible or even a disinterested witness. As a top counterterrorism adviser at the time of the attack, he cannot help but take the tragedy personally. That said, the fact that at least three FBI agents share his views certainly enhances his credibility.

A spokesman for the CIA rejects the notion, telling Salon, "any suggestion that the CIA purposely refused to share critical lead information on the 9/11 plots with the FBI is simply wrong." The spokesman cited the 9/11 Commission report and a report of the CIA's independent inspector general. (The latter study, completed in 2004, has never been made public.)

The story of the alleged CIA intelligence failure attracted little other media interest until this August. That�s when Tenet, Richard Blee and another CIA official criticized by Clarke, Counterterrorism Center director J. Cofer Black, replied to our request for an interview. We had asked them to respond to Clarke's speculation.

Although they declined to be interviewed, Tenet, Black and Blee sent us a joint written statement that charged Clarke was �reckless and profoundly wrong� and that he had �suddenly invented baseless allegations which are belied by the record and unworthy of serious consideration.�

The statement, which we shared with the Daily Beast, was newsworthy because the three men had never before felt the need to explain their actions directly to the American public.

�We testified under oath about what we did, and what we didn�t know," they stated. "We stand by that testimony.�

The relevance of their testimony to Clarke's theory is hard to assess. Tenet and Black were never asked about the surveillance of Mihdhar and Hazmi, at least in their public testimony. Blee's testimony has never been made public.

"You�re Not Going to Say Anything"

The CIA's explanation is not convincing to Mark Rossini, an FBI agent who was assigned to Alec Station in 2000 and 2001. The assignment of tracking Khalid Al Mihdhar, he told us, had been given to a young staff operations officer who shared responsibility for watching events in Yemen along with Alec Station deputy chief Tom Wilshere.

Rossini, who resigned from the FBI in the wake of legal troubles, recalled in a phone interview that the staff officer's direct supervisor was a redheaded analyst working directly for Wilshere. He says that this supervisor, not referred to by even so much as an alias in any of the government reports on 9/11, is the same woman who told congressional investigators that she had hand-delivered Mihdhar�s visa information to FBI headquarters. This was later proven false when the investigators checked the log books at the FBI headquarters, discovering that she had never set foot in the building. Eleanor Hill, staff director of the congressional inquiry, also told us that her investigators found no evidence that the FBI had ever received the information.

Rossini remembered that the staff operations officer working under that redhead had ordered him and his fellow FBI agent Doug Miller not to tell their colleagues at the bureau, including John O'Neill's New York office, that Mihdhar was likely on his way to the United States in early 2000.

"She got a little heated," Rossini recalled. "She just put her hand on her hip and just said to me, �Listen, it's not an FBI case. It's not an FBI matter. When we want the FBI to know, we�ll let them know. And you�re not going to say anything.�"

Only two days before, this same officer had sent a message internally throughout the CIA misleading her fellow agents into believing that the information had been passed on to the FBI. Her later conversation with Rossini makes it appear that this was a deliberate misstatement. According to the Justice Department inspector general, she sent the misleading message only hours after posting an electronic note on Doug Miller�s draft warning to the FBI: �pls hold off � for now per [the CIA deputy chief of bin Laden unit]," a reference to Tom Wilshere.

We now know the staff officer is a woman named Michael Anne Casey. Her red-haired supervisor was a woman named Alfreda Frances Bikowsky.

Google penetrates the CIA

How we learned the names of those two CIA personnel can be summarized in one word: Google. In the case of the redhead, an Associated Press article from February 2011 seemed to refer to her. She had also been referenced in Jane Mayer�s book "The Dark Side," by her middle name, Frances. The AP article stated that she had an unusual first name. After searching State Department nominations from the past decade - often cover positions for CIA personnel but still entered into the Congressional Record -� a contemporary historian named Kevin Fenton with whom we work closely found a name that seemed to fit.

For the staff officer, we knew three important facts. She had a �man�s name" - most likely Michael, the name used in the Commission Report. She was in her late 20s at the time of the incident, and was a �CIA brat,� meaning she had at least one parent or another family member inside the agency. We wondered if she might be related to a prominent CIA figure, as her boss Richard Blee had turned out to be. One of the first names that came to mind, given her probable birth year, was William J. Casey, Ronald Reagan�s CIA director.

Pairing the first name �Michael� with the last name �Casey,� we found a number of people with that name working in State Department or military positions. Again looking in the Congressional Record, we found the name Michael Anne Casey - a woman with a man�s name - and another website listing Casey as 27 years old in 1999 and living in the D.C. area, which seemed to make her very likely the person in question. (Incidentally, we were later informed that she is no relation to William J. Casey.)

A CIA Threat

When we informed the agency's Public Affairs office that we planned to release an investigative podcast on iTunes on Sunday, Sept. 11, that named Bikowsky and Casey, the agency replied immediately.

�We strongly believe it is irresponsible and a potential violation of criminal law [emphasis added] to print the names of two reported undercover CIA officers who you claim have been involved in the hunt against al-Qaida," said spokesman Preston Golson.

Erring on the side of caution, we took the names out of our podcast. On the day we released the revised podcast on our website, we heard from Sibel Edmonds. A former FBI analyst and prominent whistleblower, Edmonds posted a story on her blog Sept. 21 stating that she had three credible sources and a document confirming that the redhead in our revised story was Bikowsky. She also stated that the staff officer involved was Michael Anne Casey and cited our website, Secrecy Kills. It was only then that we discovered our webmaster had briefly and inadvertently placed our entire email to the CIA on our site. Edmonds saw the information and published it.

Within minutes the information had spread widely through social media on the Internet. Before long Gawker breathlessly announced the latest of the CIA's problems: that Bikowsky, who had risen to become the head of the CIA's global jihad unit, had been outed. The rather more significant story - that a CIA intelligence failure had contributed to the 9/11 attacks - got short shrift from the popular gossip site.

In an effort to clarify the story, we asked the CIA two factual questions. We asked if Bikowsky's statement to the congressional 9/11 inquiry - that she had delivered Mihdhar's visa information to the FBI prior to the attacks - was accurate.

We also asked if former FBI agent Mark Rossini's recollection that Michael Anne Casey had told him not to report information about Mihdhar and Hazmi was accurate.

The agency did not address the specifics of either question.

�We do not, as a rule, publicly confirm or deny the identities of currently serving agency officers," a spokesman replied. "That includes those dedicated to the disruption of terrorist plots. The officers involved in those critical efforts have, thanks to their skill and focus, saved countless American lives."

The story of Mihdhar and Hazmi could easily be clarified, says Robert Baer, a retired CIA officer in the Middle East who worked directly with some of the people involved.

"A lot of these people who withheld this information were not covert operatives," he explained. "There was no reason to hide their names. They are out there in the public. You can find them in data and credit checks and the rest of it � They certainly could have been brought before the House or the Senate in closed session and an explanation and a report put out there."

Langley on the Defensive

The CIA prefers not to disclose but to protect the handful of people at the heart of this story.

Tenet remained George W. Bush�s CIA director for another two and a half years, where he was famously involved in passing along faulty intelligence about weapons of mass destruction that justified the disastrous invasion of Iraq. On Dec. 14, 2004, George Tenet was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Bush.

Richard Blee, chief of Alec Station in 2001, reportedly took over the CIA operation during the invasion of Afghanistan to capture or kill Osama bin Laden when bin Laden was surrounded in the mountains of Tora Bora three months after 9/11. According to 23-year career CIA officer Gary Berntsen, as reported in his book, "Jawbreaker," Blee was in charge at the time bin Laden managed to slip away to Pakistan to live comfortably for nearly a decade. Harper's Ken Silverstein reported that Blee was active in the controversial renditions and detainee-abuse programs. He is now retired and living in Los Angeles.

We do not know exactly what became of Tom Wilshere, a mysterious figure who has managed to maintain an even lower profile than the rest. Dale Watson, former head of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division, told us that us that Wilshere became a White House briefer during the Bush era.

Casey and Bikowsky have risen in the CIA�s ranks, despite the fact that Bikowsky has been associated with at least one major blunder. The AP reported that Bikowsky was at the center of "the el-Masri incident,� in which an innocent German citizen was renditioned (a euphemism for kidnapped) by the CIA in 2003 and held under terrible conditions (a euphemism for tortured) in a secret Afghan prison. The AP characterized it as "one of the biggest diplomatic embarrassments of the U.S. war on terrorism." It was no doubt something more to Khaled el-Masri. Despite that episode Bikowsky was promoted.

As chief of the counterterrorism center, Cofer Black was the boss of Casey, Bikowsky and Blee. He too was associated with the abuses of the extraordinary rendition program. He resigned shortly after George Bush was elected to a second term. Black then served as vice chairman of Blackwater USA, the controversial U.S.-based private security firm, from 2005 to 2008. Earlier this month Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney announced that Black would join his campaign as a foreign policy adviser.

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+189 # DPM 2013-02-16 11:46
Vive Warren!
 
 
+143 # MainStreetMentor 2013-02-16 13:39
 
 
+20 # Joe Bob 2013-02-16 20:49
Just in the Nick of Time.
 
 
+15 # RLF 2013-02-17 08:45
If these bankers had gotten their profits directly from selling drugs, the government could take all assets. Here is another consumer friendly opportunity to nationalize a criminal enterprise and then let them take it to court.
 
 
+13 # robcarter.vn 2013-02-16 20:21
Yes Good on her. I have been crying this cry for 2 years now, first year UK took their crooked banks to court and many settlements out of court for enough money to save UK from default and bankruptcy laughing at Euro troubles, not their UK problems. But same crimes in USA and their regulators said nought just stayed peaceful. Then Year 2 USA did some small settlements out of court for far less that real worth as proven in UK actions, and bigger settlements. I though perhaps even enough to avoid a fiscal cliff?.
Remember as OWS might say, and Wikipedia does sayt, Banks caused the Great Depression. Prof. Said also for 1829 depression so they executed him. USA banks coukld now petition GOP to move Elixabeth Warren to Gitmo? That may save your Bankers?
 
 
+170 # PABLO DIABLO 2013-02-16 11:53
Elizabeth Warren for President in 2016.
 
 
-10 # Scotty44 2013-02-16 15:38
You better find out what her positions are on other important issues - Iran, Palestine, war, the national debt possibly. She is great on financial crime, although I would have liked her to ask what the recidivism rate was on the agencies' "enforcement actions" just to point out their ineffectiveness .
 
 
+24 # WestWinds 2013-02-17 02:57
#Scotty44:
You ask good questions, but I asked them of her some months ago and her reply was that she would be just as strong and fearless with the other issues. I think team 99% may have finally found their team leader.
 
 
+171 # Barbara K 2013-02-16 11:55
Go get them Elizabeth. You can do it. If they can't behave and stop stealing from the citizens, see that they spend some time in jail. We have your back.

..
 
 
+191 # MEBrowning 2013-02-16 12:13
 
 
+144 # WestWinds 2013-02-16 12:25
Elizabeth Warren represents the TRUE America. She is an American hero and will bring back honesty, dignity and ethics to our country and our government. THIS is what true leadership is all about!
 
 
+14 # RLF 2013-02-17 08:48
Agreed! She shows the midAmerica horse sense that seems to have been forgotten out there.
 
 
+126 # ER444 2013-02-16 12:34
I live in germany and am originally from Maryland, and I donated three times to Elizabeth's campaign. She gives me hope that there is still something in America about which we can all be proud. BTW I also donated to Alan Grayson, am batting 1000!!
 
 
+16 # mdhome 2013-02-16 20:00
Two great wins for me also!
 
 
+101 # WestWinds 2013-02-16 12:21
Yaaaaayyyy!!!! Elizabeth Warren!!!!

Elizabeth Warren for President in 2016!!!!
 
 
+44 # Smokey 2013-02-16 13:24
Quoting WestWinds:
Yaaaaayyyy!!!! Elizabeth Warren!!!!

Elizabeth Warren for President in 2016!!!!


Wow! You heard it here first. Keep in mind that Obama quickly moved from Illinois politics to the White House.
 
 
+74 # socialismby2020 2013-02-16 12:28
Good Warren the bankers are scared of Warren because they sure aren't scared of Obama. Obama has kept all the main players that created the financial meltodown of 2008 in his cabinet and/or in the FED (Bernanke, Geitner, Paulson, Summers,Goldman , etc.) Obama received 5 times more campaign money from the big banks than McCain did. Obama is owned by Wall Street, yet the idiot TeaBaggers call hima socialist.
 
 
+75 # Wordslinger 2013-02-16 12:31
Screw the banks ... it's about time!
 
 
+13 # WestWinds 2013-02-17 03:00
I don't know about "screw" the banks, Wordslinger, but hold them accountable for all of their terrible behavior, absolutely.
 
 
+10 # goodsensecynic 2013-02-17 15:15
I've always wondered what "hold them accountable" means, if not gather the evidence, prosecute them and send them to jail. Their behaviour isn't "terrible"; it's criminal!

Or, will we be happy to let them express regret and then let them go back to business as usual.

So far, of course, they've gone back to business as usual and not shed a single crocodile tear.

On the other hand, I don't care much if some of these fraudsters go to the slammer or not. I don't even care much if they are somehow forced to pay restitution. What I want is for it never to happen again ... and that means real regulation - with Glass-Steagall being the MINIMUM.
 
 
+78 # reiverpacific 2013-02-16 12:42
Nice to know as I suspected, that Mrs Warren speaks the bankster Mafia's double-talk better than they do.
Wonder if she can get them doin' hard time and paying back some of their ill-gotten gains.
Suggest that the pillory be reinstated and line 'em up along Wall Street with rotten tomatoes or horse-shit before they begin their long trek to Abu Grahib.
Go after 'em and be as merciless as they have been and are, Eliza'!
 
 
+11 # mdhome 2013-02-16 20:02
one word for the banksters: rendition.
 
 
+11 # RLF 2013-02-17 08:51
The bankers certainly threaten the country more than most of the people we have been reditioning(sp) .
 
 
+86 # dhsbrenda 2013-02-16 12:53
I watch local officials fall for staff jargon and deflection of issues, and it makes me ill. Elizabeth is a breath of fresh air--and knowledge and ability.

That's all it takes to get through transparently wrong behavior to the core of what needs to be done.

I still send her what I can afford each month. Yes, we signed petitions to get her in the Senate, and we're going to do the same to make her President. No more inside cronyism and revolving doors. Power to the People.
 
 
+103 # Brooklyn Girl 2013-02-16 12:53
Comparing Elizabeth Warren, who deals with facts, with Ted Cruz, who deals with McCarthyesque innuendo, is ludicrous and insulting. That would be the false equivalency I have come to expect from the right, not from the left.

And if she does wind up having a few bankers indicted, the author's warning that some banks may go out of business is also ludicrous and insulting. Why shouldn't a criminal enterprise have to pay the price for its crimes? And there would certainly be plenty of other banks to take their place. I, for one, am not worried.
 
 
+13 # WestWinds 2013-02-17 03:03
I agree, Brooklyn Girl, this business about the banks collapsing is the paper tiger this rotten crowd of criminals want us to swallow so they can continue, undisturbed, with the fleecing of America. It's pure baloney!
 
 
+12 # Firefox11 2013-02-17 12:53
Nationalize banking, or at least create an alternative, Bank of the United States, just like we need an alternative to corporatized medicine.
 
 
+89 # gogogrl47 2013-02-16 12:58
Go Elizabeth!! Hate to say it, but maybe the women who got elected will "tell it like it is" and not be part of the "good ol' boys club". I live out of State and supported her heartily because I knew she wasn't afraid to speak out on ALL issues affecting us, the middle, working class people who made this country great. We are tired of the Congress and their antics!! Hope we have many more elected women speaking out!!
 
 
+30 # Nominae 2013-02-16 14:47
Quoting gogogrl47:
Go Elizabeth!! Hate to say it, but maybe the women who got elected will "tell it like it is" and not be part of the "good ol' boys club". I live out of State and supported her heartily because I knew she wasn't afraid to speak out on ALL issues affecting us, the middle, working class people who made this country great. We are tired of the Congress and their antics!! Hope we have many more elected women speaking out!!


She's a GEM because she's Elizabeth Warren. NOT because she's another carrier of the XX Chomosome.
 
 
+3 # RLF 2013-02-17 08:53
women are a mixed bag also...Nancy Pellosi with full on support of NDAA.
 
 
+83 # Working Class 2013-02-16 13:02
 
 
+19 # MichaelArchAngel 2013-02-16 13:03
Im one of those MEBrown is talking about!
 
 
+68 # grouchy 2013-02-16 13:08
Give'm hell Elizabeth. Send the deserving ones to prison. The rest have them demoted to teller. Get the banks to pay back all they stole. Regardless, we are putting you up for sainthood just for scaring the hell out of 'em!
 
 
+73 # imaginethat 2013-02-16 13:09
Yes, Elizabeth keep speaking the truth that you know. I am SO excited that you are knowledgeable and are so CLEAR with your understanding of the banking industry as well as their shenanigans. I wanted you in our government the first time I listened to you on Bill Moyers & Co! We have your back, indeed!
 
 
+53 # HerbR 2013-02-16 13:09
Vive Elizabeth ! Pour it on !!
 
 
+75 # artsci 2013-02-16 13:11
Let's hope the good Senator pushes hard to break up the big banks. Banks that are too big to fail or jail should be made small enough to fail and jail. Some of these bank execs are criminals, plain and simple. They're just criminals in custom-made suits.
 
 
+81 # M. de la Souche 2013-02-16 13:11
Dear lord, that was refreshing to watch! That is, up until the point that Mr. Tarullo manages to run out the clock with the usual long-winded obfuscation. It was not even a thinly-veiled attempt to answer Sen. Warren's question, merely a long string of words: no sound, no fury, but most assuredly signifying nothing. Sen. Warren, please do feel free to interrupt in the future when this occurs--this tactic, so common in hearings, needs to go away.
 
 
+24 # Vardoz 2013-02-16 13:19
From a Donor
We love her- she has more balls than most senators. If Corey Booker runs and gets in - that would also be a great addition.
 
 
+15 # Regina 2013-02-16 17:52
No, she's got BRAINS! The problem with a lot of men, notably those who seek overriding power (think about that doozy Cruz, and his forbear McCarthy), is that testosterone interferes with any cerebral functions they might have been born with. That's how come they just parrot the party line on every issue they face, and reject all reason and logic and evidence. And above all, they can't do simple arithmetic, particularly on the budget.
 
 
+42 # Beverly 2013-02-16 13:23
Refreshing to hear and watch is putting it lightly. Someone like
Elizabeth Warren has come along-- AT LAST -- someone who is fighting FOR THE PEOPLE!!!! BRAVO, and let's ALL SUPPORT HER TO THE ULTIMATE DEGREE!!!
I THANK YOU, Elizabeth Warren, and my hat is off to you, because speaking the TRUTH is not something we hear a lot these days!!! BRAVO and MORE THANKYOU'S!!
Beverly Smith
 
 
+40 # kalpal 2013-02-16 13:48
The guys who make a fabulous income out of fleecing the general public seem to be upset that a Senator thinks they should be spending a decade or two in a prison.
 
 
+42 # tclose 2013-02-16 13:50
As a member of the male gender, I have to express my admiration for women who are increasingly bring elected to Congress - Sen. Warren (how nice to use that title!) as a prime example. They tell it like it is, avoid obfuscation, and generally push for pragmatic and sensible policy. If more women were elected, both Democrat and Republican, we would I think solve many of the endemic problems we currently have with Congress.

Go for it, gals!
 
 
+21 # Nominae 2013-02-16 14:54
Quoting tclose:
As a member of the male gender, I have to express my admiration for women who are increasingly bring elected to Congress - Sen. Warren (how nice to use that title!) as a prime example. They tell it like it is, avoid obfuscation, and generally push for pragmatic and sensible policy. If more women were elected, both Democrat and Republican, we would I think solve many of the endemic problems we currently have with Congress.

Go for it, gals!


As a fellow member of the male gender, get real. We have no shortage of elected women to demonstrate the blindness of your position.

Elizabeth Warren is as GREAT as HUMANS come !

Voting for anyone based upon what's between their legs instead of what's between their ears is simply childish.
 
 
+16 # flippancy 2013-02-16 17:47
Last I checked Jan Brewer was a woman. So is Elizabeth Dole. Lots of rotten women in politics, but hooray for the Warrens and her ilk.
 
 
+25 # Penelope Jencks 2013-02-16 15:48
I'm not so sure gender enters into it... don't forget Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin & other foolish women who spout as much hot air as the worst of the guys!
 
 
+36 # par 2013-02-16 14:00
You say: Charging banks with lots of crimes, for example, would likely have the unintended consumer-unfrie ndly result of putting a lot of them out of business. That may of course happen if it is deserved but the most likely and more important result would be preventive and make more of them follow the law. Please remember how all financial officials just let the financial crisis develop prior to 2008 without lifting a finger because the common attitude at that time was that the financial markets would be free and regulate themselves. Names? Greenspan, Rubin, Summers, Levitt and later Cox. To read their statements before the crisis in light of what happened from 2008 is very depressing and shows how they all were completely wrong and misdirected. They did their best to destroy US, but our nation has been strong enough to handle even that test. Good luck Elizabeth Warren in preventing that from happening again.
 
 
+8 # PGreen 2013-02-18 08:56
Quoting par:
"Yes, Warren is a populist. Yes, some of her views seem reflexive and could be harmful if implemented. (Charging banks with lots of crimes, for example, would likely have the unintended consumer-unfriendly result of putting a lot of them out of business.) And yes, she sometimes misfires - aiming her wrath at, say, a panel of regulators who can only bring civil suits in the first place, rather than officials in the Justice Department like Lanny Breuer, who could actually have pressed criminal charges against banks but chose not to."
This is the epitome of damning with faint praise.

I agree with what you say, par, that if some banks go out of business because they are unable to operate justly and legally, than they should. In the 1930's, FDR seized a number of banks and placed them under government control until they came round. This is the sort of action that is required. Kevin Roose is either worried about sounding like a radical, perhaps for career reasons, or is a closet apologist for the financial services industry, but he lacks a sense of what is necessary in these extreme circumstances. Warren is exactly right to criticize the reluctance of regulators and DOJ officials at all levels, so extreme that it resembles nepotism.
 
 
+37 # angelfish 2013-02-16 14:07
Hallelieujah! We FINALLY have someone who will call these slimy Bas*ards OUT for their calumny and abuse of Americans! Happy Days ARE here again!
 
 
+30 # goodsensecynic 2013-02-16 16:53
Don't forget Bernie Sanders!

Now, there are two ...
 
 
+33 # Wolfchen 2013-02-16 14:41
Senator Elizabeth Warren for the next President, Attorney General or Supreme Court justice The has the intelligence, integrity and tenacity to bring the corporate criminals to trial and conviction. We need to bring back Glass-Steagall to break apart these corporate monopolies, and we need a presidency and justice department ready and willing to bring these corporate criminals to trial, seeking prison time as well as monetary damages. No more mere settlements...i t's time for criminal prosecutions all the way to verdicts...and lets fire any Attorney General and control agency appointees who are in fact agents in support of corporate crime.

Not only are the Republicans in bed with the Wall Street criminals, along with some Democrats, even Obama is involved in covering up corporate crime. Attorney General Holder is also a Wall Street lackey, along with much of Obama's cabinet. Also remember that even Bill Clinton signed off on ending the protections that were instituted un Glass- Steagall, so I wouldn't trust Hillary either. We also need public financing of elections along with instilling our Supreme Court with justices that have the interests of our nation as a whole as a primary interest. Since a democracy gets what it deserves, we have become too passive and dumb as an electorate, so as to let these corporate criminals take control of our nation.
 
 
+6 # MountainEyrie 2013-02-17 17:34
We also need run-off elections so 3rd-party candidates and those voting for them need no longer fear that their vote will skew toward the dark side....
 
 
+17 # joan fassett 2013-02-16 15:34
It is an absolute delight having Senator Elizabeth Warren AND Senator Allan Grayson and many more in office now if only we can do as well with the House of Representatives 2014. Congratulations Democratic President Obama and all! I want so badly to write something as nasty as and to Senator McCain but for now can abstain. Thank you Democrats All!!!!!
 
 
+8 # flippancy 2013-02-16 17:50
Quoting joan fassett:
It is an absolute delight having Senator Elizabeth Warren AND Senator Allan Grayson and many more in office now if only we can do as well with the House of Representatives 2014. Congratulations Democratic President Obama and all! I want so badly to write something as nasty as and to Senator McCain but for now can abstain. Thank you Democrats All!!!!!


Alan Grayson is the Representative from Orlando, but he would be a great Senator. From your post to God's ear!
 
 
+2 # Firefox11 2013-02-17 13:03
Senator Alan Grayson? I believe it is Representative AG, U.S. Rep for Florida's 9th District
 
 
+4 # tabonsell 2013-02-16 18:23
I fail to see how taking a corporation to trial by a regulatory agency (which is not a prosecuting organization) would result in anything different from what is accomplished by a settlement. If found guilty of a crime in a trial the corporation would be fined, which is essentially what happens in a settlement. There may be a difference in the amount of the fine, but we don't know that.

We need a two-pronged approach.

When a corporation agrees to an out-of-court settlement, that ought to be taken as an admission that some illegal conduct did occur. That should be a consideration for the Justice Department to seek indictments and trial for the individuals (i.e. executives) who were responsible for those crimes.

Since a regulatory agency could act against a corporation and the Justice Department against individuals there should be no double-jeoparey questions.
 
 
+12 # Joe Bob 2013-02-16 20:48
We need to name and embareass the perps.
Show that the Law exists, for everyone.
Put them in prison along with all the poor and middle class people who may or may not belong there.
 
 
+7 # Texas Aggie 2013-02-16 21:50
An important part of the difference is that when a settlement is reached, the perps insist on there being a statement that no illegal acts were perpetrated. Thus when they do it again after promising not to, there is no way that they can be hit hard. In addition the difference in the amount of money is significant. A settlement is just a cost of doing business or else the corporation won't agree to the settlement. A fine can be punitive.
 
 
0 # tabonsell 2013-02-18 18:48
Such a statement you cite about illegal acts would pertain only to the party bringing the accusation; i.e. a regulatory agency and would prevent only that agency bringing criminal charges.

That's why we need a two-pronged approach because such an agreement with a regulatory agency wouldn't apply to an agency such as the Justice Department. One agency can't make a agreement that subverts the authority of another agency, no more than your neighbor making a deal with the city that affects your rights.
 
 
+10 # RLF 2013-02-17 08:58
The problem with fines is that they should be ON TOP of the ill gotten gains. Make a billion illegally...the n pay it all back and then pay a billion fine...but it never happens. They make a billion and are fined 100 million which leaves a nice profit and incentive for future trespasses.
 
 
+11 # AUCHMANNOCH 2013-02-16 19:24
I like this women - I like her a lot because she says it like it is and her comparison of the full weight of the law bearing down on citizens and the timid slap on the wrist to the WS banks is self evident and valid. Living in Oz why should I care about any of this? Simple - the Wall Street banks insane greed stuffed up my retirement savings by half and unlike America the stock market in Oz hasn't recovered to where it was. I would like to see jail time for the crooks responsible. Yeah - call it revenge and I am one of millions inside and outside the U.S.A. who feel that way!
 
 
+4 # MountainEyrie 2013-02-17 17:29
Indeed, totally agree with thee.
 
 
+17 # Texas Aggie 2013-02-16 21:46
The banksters have no one to blame but themselves. If they had behaved like honest, decent people, this would never have needed to happen. If they hadn't prevented her from heading the consumer protection commission, she wouldn't be in the Senate. Be careful what you wish for because you may get it. Serves the SOB's right.

No quarter, Dr. Warren. Go get 'em. We have your back.
 
 
+5 # Walter J Smith 2013-02-16 21:49
One of the more impressive scenes in the whole thing is the one with Senator Manchin, D - Big Mountain Top Removing Coal, Inc., having tardily arrived to fill his seat at the hearing, sitting smugly behind and to Senator Warren's left, as if he were under arrest from her having given him a reality check. So then he begins reading something, as if changing his attention's object would somehow ease the pain of hearing that there might be bad news for the major corporate thugs cult.
 
 
+14 # Texas Aggie 2013-02-16 22:07
Dr. Warren asked if one of the reasons that the banks are trading below book value is that no one believes their books. Then Mr. Tarullo tried to make another point, but what he was saying is that yes, indeed, people did not believe the banks' books and did not think that they were worth as much as they claimed. He then accepted her second statement that some banks were trying to downsize by getting rid of some of their departments that they couldn't control.

This woman has a handle on the situation.
 
 
+6 # BeaDeeBunker 2013-02-17 01:36
Since appearance rather than substance seems to matter so much these days, I would like to make the following observation:

Senator Elizabeth Warren wears glasses in order to see better;

Sarah Palin wore glasses in order to appear better.
 
 
+12 # Artemis 2013-02-17 06:47
It is wonderful to read this outpouring of admiration and support for Sen Warren, but even more so to feel the deep gratitude for someone who is real, honest and actually speaks and acts as we expect ALL politicians to do.
Isn't it incredible that just one person can shine such a light on the path that has been lost in the slime and murkiness of government today?
 
 
+5 # Don Thomann 2013-02-17 07:38
YES!!!!!
 
 
+7 # MountainEyrie 2013-02-17 17:27
Dream Presidential Team:
Dr Jill Stein and Senator Warren!

Then we would not need to have a real revolution in order to regain positive momentum on all fronts.

But yes, BRAVO!!! and AMEN! to Sen Warren.
 
 
+8 # Paul Scott 2013-02-17 19:03
 
 
+6 # jussayin 2013-02-17 23:49
Finally, we have another senator besides Bernie who is willing to do their job.
 
 
-5 # Martintfre 2013-02-18 15:47
regulatory capture... I bet it wont be very long before you suckers realize she is paying ya all and she will be yet anther puppet for the fascist state just like Lord Obama the bail out King is.

As senator he voted for the bail outs and as president OweBama doled out our money -- to his political friends.
 
 
-5 # Jonathan Levy 2013-02-18 17:31
The banks are not scared at all. That was hardly anything for them to blink at. She asked if there were ever trials, that's all.
 
 
+3 # Rockie 2013-02-18 20:19
Elizabeth Warren for President. This lady has my vote. She is a breath of fresh air, and I don't care what party she belongs too. She is for the people.
 
 
0 # Buddha 2013-02-20 11:37
I'm one of those out of state donors, and I support her doing this 100%. Finally someone is. And I totally disagree the taking Wall St institutions to court would "put a lot of them out of business" rationalization in the article. First, putting those in charge of these institutions who knowingly committed their fraudulent activities on trial, and hopefully in jail, would simply mean those institutions would then pay a fine and hire another CEO, who hopefully would learn the lesson and not blow up our economy with fraud. Second, if an institution needs to get away with fraud to remain in business, then that is a business that needs to fail. That is like saying you can't go after the mafia, because if you do and put mafiosos in jail, the mafia might be weakened.
 
 
0 # friedbaloney21 2013-02-21 22:06
Please, please Senator Warren do not allow any fat-cat businessmen or any Fortune listed companies to corrupt you. They've almost completely hijacked our justice system and our representative government. Yes they've even corrupted (i.e. , bought off) President Obama (i.e., he only nominates Wall Street insiders to fill goverment posts). You are the last best hope for ordinary Americans who love our country more than they love personal gain.
 

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