Intro: "Out of work and without a high school diploma? If you're collecting unemployment insurance, you may soon be out of luck."
Under a new GOP proposal, people waiting in unemployment lines may wait in vain for checks if they cannot produce a high school diploma. (photo: Getty Images)
GOP Plan: No HS Diploma? No Unemployment Check
10 January 12
ut of work and without a high school diploma? If you're collecting unemployment insurance, you may soon be out of luck.
As Congress returns from the holiday recess, one of the most pressing items on its agenda will the two-month extension of jobless benefits enacted late last month. The compromise deal, part of a two-month extension of a payroll tax cut, tabled debate on wider reforms to the unemployment insurance program.
Those reforms include shortening the length of time jobless workers can collect benefits and a provision that would require anyone collecting them to have a high school diploma or be enrolled in an adult education program working toward a General Educational Development, or GED, certificate.
Sponsors of the measures, contained in H.R. 3630, argue that the current unemployment insurance program has been ineffective in getting long-term jobless workers back work. Some, including Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., have argued that extending unemployment benefits "doesn't create new jobs. In fact, if anything, continuing to pay people unemployment compensation is a disincentive for them to seek new work."
Opponents of the GOP proposals argue that jobless benefits are an insurance policy, into which workers pay premiums regardless of their educational background. They dispute the argument that benefits are a disincentive to work, noting that even as the job market has improved, there still aren't enough jobs to go around. There were 3.3 million job openings in October, the latest data available, and roughly 13.8 million people out of work that month, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Some opponents of H.R. 3630 agree that unemployment insurance programs are due for reform especially in a job market with stubbornly high levels of long-term unemployment. In the past, state unemployment offices typically offered services beyond simply distributing checks, including job counseling, resume writing and job referrals. Those programs have been largely phased out, according to Judy Conti, who is following the issue for the National Employment Law Project.
"That's taken away that human contact every couple of weeks and decimated these employment services," she said. "There really aren't a lot of people out there who are working with the unemployed to make sure their job search strategies are effective as possible, especially in this economy."
Job training and high school equivalency programs are also underfunded, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. State and federal budget cuts have stretched adult education programs, producing waiting lists in 50 of the 51 states and the District of Columbia. The number of people on those waiting lists doubled between 2008 and 2010, to 160,000. According to the most recent survey by the National Council of State Directors of Adult Education.
So far, there have been no talks on reaching a compromise measure to renew long-term jobless benefits beyond the two-month extension and none are schedule, according to a spokesman for the House Ways and Means Committee. The group estimates that it would cost about $160 million to eliminate that waiting list.
If the requirement is implemented, the provision would hit older, laid-off workers hardest. Nearly half of UI recipients without a high school diploma or GED are over age 45, and 35 percent are age 50 or over, the CBPP said, citing Census data. In 2010, half a million workers age 50 or over who received unemployment insurance lacked a high school diploma. By contrast, less than a fifth of those collecting jobless benefits without a high school diploma or the equivalent are under age 30.
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was to give us a full employment economy... but they refused to accomplish their mandate because they want business to be in control of labor and by having at least a 4% rate of unemployment, there are multiple people applying for a job, Management will determine compensation! with full employment labor determines compensation.
This is one of the stupidest things I have heard in a long time, and that's saying a lot. It's also one of the most hateful. After all the chest pounding by and about "the job creators," Kyl now says that the UNEMPLOYED have to create jobs?
This is the logic of people who believe that, in the midst of the worst recession since the Great Depression, if you are not employed, rich and successful, it's your own damn fault and you should be punished. And -- if you failed to graduate from high school, you must be doubly punished, because certainly you are just lazy and laziness cannot be tolerated; teenagers (high schoolers), after all, have all the wisdom, resources and support they could ask for as well as the ability to make the best decisions about the rest of their lives.
The consequences of joblessness in the United States are unusually cruel. Poverty, hunger, illness, suicide. It is UNCONSCIONABLE that members of the United States Congress are planning now to worsen those conditions by cutting off the meager life support that unemployment insurance provides. This is simply inhuman.
Even after the 8 disgusting years of the Bush administration and 12 months of this despicable Republican Congress, I have NEVER been more ashamed to be an American.
4???? don't you mean 40??????
And another very basic thing: The Fed doesn't print money. Banks create money by lending "money" that doesn't exist until the loan is actually paid back. e.g. imagine the bank has 10,000 on balance but lends over 100,000. If so, and this is SOP, then it is clear that they couldn't sustain even a very minor run on the bank, but thanks to digital technology they can just move numbers via electronic ledgers. This system will collapse regardless of what you believe. It is just a matter of time. It is an unsustainable system.
Remember when Herman Cain actually said this at one of his many on-camera discussions? This is actually the Republican mantra.
Bullshit as usual. When I HAD employees which I can't afford any more since the Depression hit -can barely afford myself-, it was some relief to me that if things went wrong, which they have, that there would be something for them if I had to let them go and I didn't grudge a penny of it.
And as self-employed, I get bugger-all but don't begrudge it those who do.
If there are "more taking than giving" due to continuing lack of opportunity or incentive to hire, it's not the "taker's" fault but those who would divert or downright rob the funds which are rightly for the common good, to the already over-funded military, or corporate bail-outs, or other useless pork for the already wealthy, bolstered by well upholstered bag carriers or lobbyists!
Mean is too nice a word for it but I'll settle for a nice, mild "mean-spiritedn ess".
Every time any of us pays out money for anything at all, it is taxed, either locally, county, state or federal. Telephones? Taxed. Water? Taxed. Food? Taxed. Television? Taxed. Electricity? Taxed. The list is endless.
Robt, take a second look around you and you will see that the propaganda rages and influences even those who are suffering. I know folks who know only a handful of folks receiving welfare or unemployment and they are furious that the recipients get anything at all and call them lazy. You appear to be in that group that denies assistance to even those who have paid into that which helps them, and conveniently overlooks just how much we all pay out, and pay and pay and pay, in taxes.
As jimyoung says, how about cutting off the fraud in banking and such. How about cutting off such massive spending in attacking countries and destroying lives? No, it appears your concentration is on citizens, blaming them for the economic disasters that the government and all connected brought down on our heads. If you cannot get a job, which way is up? If friends and family cannot get jobs or only part time time, just how is it they can help with the "up" part of your comment. Moving to China, Thailand, or Mexico?
Is it me or are the Republicans the most stupid, selfish, and stingiest people on earth?
@ hradford5
While it's astounding that this got past the editors (if they have any), it's a full-blown howler that you seem to be the only commenter who also noticed it.
unemployment insurance is not supposed to create long term employment. the oppressed, dwindling middle class drove the economy to its historic highs, now taxed and outsourced by the greedy who control OUR government to give the rich more wealth ... FDR had the right ideas... Hoover cut spending and things got worse. Keep your powder dry.
And how stupid can you be to expect someone without a job to find money to pay for GED classes, even at minimum wage?
If I believed in conspiracies then this would sound like a plan to force people to take jobs at the lowest pay possible. It would then become a conspiracy to reinstate slavery. But that would be a violation of the Constitution, wouldn't it?
Modern Republicans have bastardized Abraham Lincoln's famous quote to read:
"Government of the Corporate People, by the Corporate People, for the Corporate People shall not perish from the Earth while Corporate People still exist".
I don't have a high school diploma - but I taught myself and have worked as a programmer for ten years and make decent money. I've worked hard all my life starting at 14. Don't I deserve unemployment insurance if I get laid off and can't find a job?
I am really sick and tired of the "conservatives" reducing people's lives to soundbites.
Oh and BTW, unemployement would barely pay for food and car insurance to look for a job. It certainly won't cover my mortgage, clothes for the kids, dental, or a car payment.
As to kicking people off unemployment, with the jobless rate this high and no jobs for them to go to, what do you propose they do? Die under an overpass, quietly out of sight of your walled, gated GOP communities? More likely, when desperation hits, they'll smash your pampered skull to get what they can to keep their families alive. It's called a Society, folks, and you can't simultaineously be IN it and have no responsibility for it. No matter how rich, arrogant, entitled, and smug you may be, you don't get to have it both ways.
Beautifully said, mungosforge.
Robt Eagle, I'm having a hard time with your fire and brimstone damnation of people who've made bad decisions. Have you never made a bad decision? I'm sure you will respond that you have, but you suffered the consequences. Well, my friend, not everyone has family or friends who can help him back up; and not everyone is a an entrepreneur or capitalist -- who ASSUMES a certain amount of risk of failing and losing all. In fact, I think most people don't want to live with that kind of intentional insecurity. However, many people live permanently on the edge of losing all without any of the entrepreneur's potential to win big. And most of those people DO work hard, as hard as you. The point is that the entire society suffers when life, for the masses, becomes permanently precarious with no hope of success.
Our problem with allowing everyone who ever made a bad decision or became unemployed through no fault of their own fall completely into utter destitution (which, by the way, is happening to millions of hard working folks these days) is that there are huge social costs - aside from paying a little bit more in taxes. Society breaks down in a thousand ways, large and small.
Robt Eagle, your contempt for the poor prompts me to give you some advice: get your head out of Ayn Rand and read the teachings of Jesus.
Holyone, they aren't Republicans, they are FASCISTS.
"Son, do you know what I would be if I were a Republican?" inquired the mother.
"No," replied her son.
"Ashamed," said the mother.
It's the ones who used there education to bend & twist the rules to fill there own pockets giving out loans to those who under normal conditions would have been denied. And to top it off they still get there bonuses and bailouts
If you ask me they should be footing the unemployment bill as repayment for destroying are great country.
oh and by the way we would have plenty of jobs if they weren't out sourced over seas
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