Excerpt: "Republican White House hopeful Newt Gingrich has stirred controversy by calling the Palestinians an 'invented' people who could have chosen to live elsewhere. The former House of Representatives speaker, who is the frontrunner for the Republican nomination for the 2012 presidential race, made the remarks in an interview with the US Jewish Channel broadcaster released on Friday."
Gingrich mocked US policy on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, calling it 'out of touch with reality.' (photo: Dennis Van Tine/ABACAUSA.COM)
Gingrich Calls Palestinians 'Invented' People
10 December 11
epublican White House hopeful Newt Gingrich has stirred controversy by calling the Palestinians an "invented" people who could have chosen to live elsewhere.
The former House of Representatives speaker, who is the frontrunner for the Republican nomination for the 2012 presidential race, made the remarks in an interview with the US Jewish Channel broadcaster released on Friday.
Asked whether he considers himself a Zionist, he answered: "I believe that the Jewish people have the right to a state ... Remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire" until the early 20th century,
"I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs, and who were historically part of the Arab community.
"And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s, and it's tragic."
Most historians mark the start of Palestinian Arab nationalist sentiment in 1834, when Arab residents of the Palestinian region revolted against Ottoman rule.
Israel, founded amid the 1948 Arab-Israel war, took shape along the lines of a 1947 UN plan for ethnic partition of the then-British ruled territory of Palestine which Arabs rejected.
More than 700,000 Palestinians were forced from their lands by Zionist armed groups in 1948, in an episode Palestinians refer to as the Nakba or "catastrophe".
'Irrational Hostility'
Gingrich's comments drew a swift rebuke from a spokesman for the American Task Force on Palestine, Hussein Ibish, who said: "There was no Israel and no such thing as an "Israeli people" before 1948.
"So the idea that Palestinians are 'an invented people' while Israelis somehow are not is historically indefensible and inaccurate.
"Such statements seem to merely reflect deep historical ignorance and an irrational hostility towards Palestinian identity and nationalism."
Sabri Saidam, adviser to the Palestinian president, told Al Jazeera, "This is a manifestation of extreme racism and this is a reflection of where America stands sad, when Palestinians don't get their rights...this is sad and America should respond with a firm reaction to such comments that, if let go, more of which will come our way,"
"Let me ask Newt Gingrich if he would ever entertain the thought of addressing Indian Americans by saying that they never existed, that they were the invention of a separate nation, would that be tolerated?"
"Let's also reverse the statement; let's put ourselves in "the shoe of Jews who are listening now. Would they ever accept such statements being made about them?"
Saidam said, "I think it's time that America rejects such statements and closes the door to such horrendous and unacceptable statements."
Gingrich also sharply criticised US President Barack Obama's approach to Middle East diplomacy, saying that it was "so out of touch with reality that it would be like taking your child to the zoo and explaining that a lion was a bunny rabbit."
He said Obama's effort to treat the Palestinians the same as the Israelis is actually "favouring the terrorists".
"If I'm even-handed between a civilian democracy that obeys the rule of law and a group of terrorists that are firing missiles every day, that's not even-handed, that's favouring the terrorists," he said.
He also said the Palestinian Authority and Hamas, which governs the Gaza Strip, share an "enormous desire to destroy Israel".
The Palestinian Authority, which rules the occupied West Bank, formally recognises Israel's right to exist.
President Mahmoud Abbas has long forsworn violence against Israel as a means to secure an independent state, pinning his hopes first on negotiations and more recently on a unilateral bid for statehood via the UN.
Gingrich, along with other Republican candidates, are seeking to attract Jewish in the US support by vowing to bolster Washington's ties with Israel if elected.
He declared his world view was "pretty close" to that of Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and vowed to take "a much more tougher-minded, and much more honest approach to the Middle East" if elected.
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I still think Dennis Miller will win nomination, he's the perfect neo-clown hiding under a rock.
Since 9/11, Dennis Miller has been extremely peculiar and not funny at all.
Man was an a__ years ago things have not changed
ifamericaknew.org/history/maps.html
If we go back in History, I believe the Bible, Palestinians were a culture then.
And you posters who write these things call yourself supporters of freedom and human rights?
Just skimmed his "battle of the crater." Hilarious. Grew up five miles from the battlefield, had ancestors who fought in the battle, and read just about every book covering the topic. The Lizard's depiction is hilarious! But as long as nodding drooling tea party scum can slide their cards at Costco it'll likely be a best seller.
Too many liberals are OFF on this issue due to a lack of education historically and humanitarian=si e.
Let's consult an expert:
To quote the renowned historian/anthr opologist and “Holy Land” specialist, Ilene Beatty: "When we speak of 'Palestinians' or of the 'Arab population [of Palestine]', we must bear in mind their Canaanite origin. This is important because their legal right to the country stems...from the fact that the Canaanites were first, which gives them priority; their descendants have continued to live there, which gives them continuity; and (except for the 800,000 dispossessed refugees [of 1948 along with the 25,000 expelled just prior to and during Israel's first invasion of Egypt in 1956 and the additional more than 400,000 driven out during and after the war Israel launched on 5 June 1967]) they are still living there, which gives them present possession. Thus we see that on purely statistical grounds they have a proven legal right to their own land." ("Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan," 1957)
The United Kingdom of Israel was established in 1020 BCE and predates the “Palaistinê” people’s claim… dating to the 5th Century BCE; they split within a century to form the northern Kingdom of Israel and the southern Kingdom of Judah. The region became part of the Neo-Assyrian Empire from c740 BCE, which was itself replaced by the Neo-Babylonian Empire in c.627 BCE., a war with Egypt culminated in 586 BCE when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar II and the local leaders of the region of Judea were deported to Babylonia. In 539 BCE, the Babylonian empire was replaced by the Achaemenid Empire, the exiled population of Judea was allowed to return to Jerusalem. ("Their Land")
and if and if and if
my mother in law had a stearing wheel in her back, four wheels and a number 7 printed on her forehead she would be a city bus !!!
Screw the old books written by old men with old minds.
We live in 2011 modern times is here.
Respect for everyone is what is needed in this world.
I do agree about respect for everyone in this world... the problem is to much predjudice! we are a people that are anti something...whe ther Blacks, Jews, Muslems, Hispanics, Gays, Republicans ad infinitum, so under our current mindset, what you and I seek won't happen in our lifetime...
The Constitution is not a book with fairy tales about an apple and a talking snake in a garden!
The snake and apple are symbolic as is the entire bible collection of "stories"
I guess Plato and Sacrates are also old fools in your mind...and the historian Titus Flavius Josephus who is a well recognized historian FROM the period...I guess its easy to pick what you want to attempt to support inaccurate views...as for the old testament, i do not believe they are accurate stories of actual people or real events, but they do shed light on the period and some of the ancient players...an example there is No evidence that Moses was a real person or that the exodus actually occured, however the story does give us a match light of the period, and was written as a story based on symbalism...
After the "and if and if and if"...non-sensi cal metaphor, you go on to potty mouth "old books written by old men with old minds"...and end this crazy maze of words with
"Respect for everyone is what is needed in this world." Do you even know what you are talking about? I don't.
Going to the genetics of it all, people of that area became Jews, Muslims and Christians (The early Christian movement was made up of the Greek, Roman and Jews, but all Semite stock. The Zionists were Europeans of very very little semite genetic material - they came from the so-call Azcanazi (sp?) who were European stock who converted to the Hebrew faith, but genetically they haven't any more claim to the land than I have!
Oops, I guess Gingrich got the invention bit mixed up...but he's not really smart. Perhaps crafty would decribe him better. Anyway. Definitely a bad joke as presidential candidate. Seems like they just get worse, and we thought Bush was the bottom of the barrel.
What nonsense. There have been Jews and Fellahin (Philistines = Palestinians --same root) living side by side in that land for millenia, after the Romans expelled every Jew they could and became the first of many alien occupiers...
[Syria, Turkey etc. etc] . Palestine as an INDEPENDENT country/ nation is what is a myth.
America,if that's the best you can come up with .Talk about grovelling for the Jewish vote.
The Palestinian/Isr aeli situation is already past the point of no return. There probably won't be a two state solution because of the facts on the ground. The West Bank has been carved up to the point where eventually Israel will have to grant Israeli citizenship to the West Bank Arabs and eventually, to the Gazans, once Hamas gets with the program.
Newt has a really mean and vicious streak in him. This is typical of what Nietzsche called "men of resentment." He grew up southern white trash (he was born in PA but soon moved to small town Georgia) and shows the typical envy of that class for those born into more affluent and better educated people. He went to good schools but does not appear to have learned anything other than more resentment.
In these comments, Newt is trying to lick the ass of the Israeli lobby. I’m sure it will work. I’m sure they love hearing this. It is their own narrative.
Telling a people that the "do not exist" or that they are "invented" is pure racism.
Many other Nationalities and Germans were tortured, gassed, and yet the 'Holocaust' only seems to incur it happening to Jewish Faith only.
My Uncle died he was Irish Catholic, American Pilot, he was tortured as were everyone on his Plane. They were buried alive or burned to death.
But this sort of thinking on the hard right wing is not unusual. Remember Condolezza Rice who said that the horrific violence and death in Iraq was only part of the birth pains of the new new middle east. I don't think these expressions can be written off as mere opinion or ideology. They are the signs of a real sociopath, someone who is really dangerous. We know that Rice participated in the deliberate killing of some 3-4 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan (my estimates based on my study). She could not care less. Newt is the same kind of person. I can easily see him ordering genocide and not caring a whit. There are not really very many such dangerous people in the world. Cheney was one. Bush was too stupid to know what was being done in his name. Rice was one. And Newt is one. A real psychopath. He should be locked up somewhere so that he cannot hurt anyone.
"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not". - Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -
"Palestine was part of the Province of Syria" AND
"politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity." AND
"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." - Ahmed Shuqeiri, Chairman of the Palestinian Liberation Organization.
It seems you are unaware that military intervention in Palestine by the Arab League on 15 May 1948 was precipitated by the fact that during the preceding
5 months following passage of the recommendatory only/non-bindin g UNGA Partition Plan, Jewish forces (Irgun, Haganah/Palmach , Sternists) had already dispossessed and expelled about 400,000 Palestinians.
For example: during late April/48, 60,000 were driven out of Haifa as were 70,000 from Jaffa in early May and 60,000 from West Jerusalem in March and early May. In order to attempt to stem the accelerating expulsion of Palestinians and despite the fact they were outnumbered and outgunned, the Arab League state armies were forced to enter Palestine. During the ensuing war, Israel seized 78% of Palestine, ejected another 400,000 Palestinians and destroyed nearly 500 of their towns and villages, including mosques, churches and cemeteries.
For your further edification, the region between the Jordan River and the Med. Sea was first referred to as "Palestine" by the Greek historian Herodotus ("the father of history") during the 5th century BCE. To quote from his The Histories: ""...they live in the coastal parts of Syria; and that region of Syria and all that lies between it and Egypt is called Palestine." (VII.89)
This translation by Harry Carter is featured in the 1958 Heritage Press edition of Herodotus' famous work. Both older and newer versions corroborate the accuracy of the reference. A. D. Godley's 1920 translation of the crucial line states, "This part of Syria as far as Egypt is all called Palestine", while Robin Waterfield's 1998 updated Oxford translation renders the passage this way: "This part of Syria, all the way to the border with Egypt, is known as Palestine."
100 years later, in the mid-4th Century BCE, Aristotle made reference to the Dead Sea in his Meteorology. "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine...."
Jewish historian Josephus's (c.37-100 CE)The Jewish War, Antiquities of the Jews contains copious references to both "Palestine" and "Palestinians."
--David Ben-Gurion, quoted in “The Jewish Paradox” by Nahum Goldman
Newt Gingrigh is a lose cannon and self-
centered egoist who will be seen through by intelligent, well educated citizens,
It is irrelevant if there was any "historic" Palestine or not. It is literally insane to use territorial claims that go back thousands of years to determine legitimate borders in the modern world. To make a religious claim, as many on the far right do, has about as much legitimacy as if I were to tell a judge that I heard the voice of God and he told me to shoot my landlord.
No doubt Gingrich was counseled to use the term "invented" given the fact that Israeli historian Shlomo Sand recently published a bestseller in Israel entitled "The Invention Of The Jewish People" in which he basically demonstrates much of the mythology behind Jewish identity.
"Israel has a fully integrated Arab population." Nonsense.
Baruch Kimmerling, formerly George S. Wise Professor of Sociology, Hebrew University, Jerusalem: “The laws of Israel have become the laws of a master people and the morality that of lords of the land.” ("Politicide: The real legacy of Ariel Sharon")
The U.S. State Department's report on International Religious Freedom: "Arabs in Israel...are subject to various forms of discrimination [and the government] does not provide Israeli Arabs...with the same quality of education, housing, employment opportunities as Jews."
Ronnie Kasrils, a key player in the struggle against apartheid, minister for intelligence in the current South African government and a devout Jew: "The Palestinian minority in Israel has for decades been denied basic equality in health, education, housing and land possession, solely because it is not Jewish. The fact that this minority is allowed to vote hardly redresses the rampant injustice in all other basic human rights. They are excluded from the very definition of the 'Jewish state', and have virtually no influence on the laws, or political, social and economic policies. Hence, their similarity to the black South Africans [under apartheid]." (The Guardian, 25 May 2005)
What I don't understand is how can the Jewish people treat Palestinians this way...when they've experienced the same sort of discrimination and hatred...and worse, themselves??
I believe with as many that pledge yearly to go back to Israel, perhaps they should and fight their own battles rather than drag everyone else into their fights. I will say that to anyone that does not like the USA...go home! to anyone who believe killing is the means to an end...after centuries, show me the proof.
Ilan Pappe, professor of political science at Haifa University: "[Israel's] political system [is] exclusionary, a pro forma democracy - going through the motions of democratic rule but essentially being akin to apartheid or Herenvolk ('master race') democracy."
Adi Ophir, philosophy professor at Tel Aviv University: "...the adoption of the political forms of an ethnocentric and racist nation-state in general, are turning Israel into the most dangerous place in the world for the humanity and morality of the Jewish community, for the continuity of Jewish cultures and perhaps for Jewish existence itself."
One of countless examples of apartheid within Israel proper:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1134898.html
Ha'aretz, Dec. 14/09: "Jewish town won't let Arab build home on his own land "
Excerpt: "Aadel Suad first came to the planning and construction committee of the Misgav Local Council in 1997. Suad, an educator, was seeking a construction permit to build a home on a plot of land he owns in the community of Mitzpeh Kamon. The reply he got, from a senior official on the committee, was a memorable one. 'Don't waste your time,' he reportedly told Suad. 'We'll keep you waiting for 30 years.' "
The Hasbara puppets are being swept away.
Anti-semetism is a particularly dangerous and frightening issue because it fostered Nazism and Hitler's cruel and crazed regime akn the holocuast.
We make comments as we see the torture of all others as wrong. You seem to think we should only see you as a People and 'your problems' World is a big place and you are just one tribe. Sorry, I know my history, I also know must of us came from the Middle Eastern/Garden of Eden Culture. We even were brought up on the Jewish Diary known as the Bible. But you have slain, you talk democracy and let not others have theirs. Hypocritical eh?
Zionists are people who hold that one ethnic group, Jews, is special enough to set up a settler state belonging exclusively to itself, and to expect the support of the world community in protecting this state from the millions it has displaced and exiled.
Equating "Zionists" and "Jews" is
*a racist ploy by Zionists to claim the loyalty of Jews and sympathy of the rest of the world, and
*a racist weapon wielded by antisemites against Jews.
To conflate "Zionists" and "Jews" is as libellous as conflating "Neocons" and "Americans".
Is this really what U.S. Democracy has deteriorated into?
Actually they were warned and some tried to stop them, including many Jews who foresaw the strife and suffering to come. The debates in British Parliament at the time are most revealing, but there is also some interesting material by Hannah Arendt.
Either way, a comment of this sort is typical of Gingrich the hip-shooter. He is a loose cannon and not someone who should be president.
What seems the saddest part of it all, however, is how a candidate for the US presidency has to show his loyalty to Israel, especially when his own country is in dire straits!
I bet all of us who are desended from the Native Americans who suddenly had their land invaded, and the African people who were brought here as slaves wish THAT were true!
"Such statements seem to merely reflect deep historical ignorance and an irrational hostility towards Palestinian identity and nationalism."
These sentences just about describe the GOP inaccurate and ignorant of facts...it never stopped the Newster from just spewing his crap...facts be damned!
NEVER EVER VOTE REPUBLICAN!!
As for Newt, I worked for the government during his reign as Speaker and it was simply terrifying. Sadly, however, his despicable remarks about the Palestinians are not that far off our actual policy on the ground, regardless of what we mouth in order to pretend to be a neutral party that can run the "Peace Process."
But we know Newt will lose it big time -- his temper and manners etc will get the better of him.
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=0775d865-3d69-4523-97e5-2c6def207eb0
Sign Bernie Sander's petition to "get the $$ out of politics"
The Palestinians were there for centuries before the Zionist state of Israel was FORCED upon them. Many of them might even have Jewish ancestry, before their ancestors chose to convert to Islam.
People convert to other religions, and I question just what ancestral ties many of the Jews who have moved there in the past 50 years actually have. There are Black Jews in South Africa who are direct descendants of Jews who were forced into the Sudan, and, over hundreds of year, migrated through various countries, and ended up in what is now South Africa. They are very devout, but aren't interested in moving to Israel.
It is my understanding that most modern day Israeli Jews are Ashkenazis mostly from Eastern Europe and the broken up soviets of the USSR. Their ancestral connection to the land of Palestine is highly debatable. Even to the Middle East at all. They are secular Jews from places like Moldova. Avigdor Lieberman - Israel's contentious foreign minister is from Moldova. And btw God did not give "Israel" to the Jews- Balfour did.
Everyone took, migrated, took more. Balfour had no rights to give anything either.
This is the same old right making incendiary statements to deflect attention away from their own flaws and incompetence.
Zionist Israel is NOT a democracy and DOES NOT obey the rule of law ... at least not International laws. Israel has become a rogue state ... that commits crimes against humanity every day.
To reverse things on a more local level that Newt might understand, how would he feel if someone suddenly moved thousands of people into his home town, taking his house, and those of most of his neighbors, and declared that his town is no longer a part of the United States, but is the new Cherokee Nation? Would he be up in arms about it?
Doesn't that explain why the Palestinians have resisted Israel from the very beginning? Nobody asked _them_ what they thought of the idea ... the US and Britain just dumped the Jews on them, and carved out a nation for them, right in the middle of Palestine.
this is worn cliche ... about 9 in Israel were killed by "thousands" of rackets from Gaza (mostly by opponents of Hamas - more than 1400 Palestinians in Gaza were killed by IDF in three week bombing (mostly civilians/child ren) 3 years ago.
Operation Cast Led - Obama elect was informed.
3 billion Muslims worldwide; 650 million Arabs, including 10-12 million Palestinians between the River Jordan and the Med. Sea. The implications for US foreign policy, especially re the ME, should be obvious. The handwriting is on the wall. Unfortunately, Israel and its supporters refuse to read it. Fortunately, however, a large and ever-increasing number of enlightened and righteous Jews around the world realize what is happening and are divorcing themselves from Israel and Zionism.
Is/was the policy of State of Israel since 1945 -
ifamericaknew.o rg/history/maps .html
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A solution? How about justice? Dismantle the racist state of Israel. All 4 ½ million exiles to be free to return and reoccupy their homeland. All people born there - no matter what their forebears did - remain as equals. All settlers born somewhere else be sent back to where they came from. After that, a single state from the Mediterranean Sea to belong to all who live there and be governed democratically - one vote one value. No state, anywhere in the world, to belong to any self-proclaimed “special” ethnic group. After all, there’s only one at present.
What a terrible thing to say about anybody!
Obviously, the Jews & the Palestinians are both real peoples. It can be proven that they both have a legitimate connection to this particular land. There are history books, that are full of references, which can back that up. Their Semitic DNA proves their relationship.
Does this 3rd rate academic, Gingrich, who was denied tenure at a minor regional university, possess the gravitas needed to consign foreign peoples to illegitimacy?
On what ground does Gingrich stand? His history of serial adultery, his wish to repeal child labor laws, his kowtowing to corporations, so eager to line his pockets with filthy graft? As Speaker of the House, Gingrich was disciplined for ethics violations, & he was fined $300,000. Don't forget that the GOP asked him to step down, too.
The intemperate & hateful demagoguery of a charlatan such as Gingrich, points to a lack of integrity, a lack of ethical standards, a lack of empathy & compassion, toward his fellow human beings.
People need to take a stance against such a dishonest & immodest rabble rouser. His ersatz oratory does a disservice to the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, & Teddy Roosevelt. The bilious tirades of Gingrich taint the image of the USA itself.
You only have to dive into that unreliable but interesting (if you are selective enough) document called The Bible, to see Palestine as a nation state.
And I mean no disrespect to Israeli folks unless they swallow "Nit's" latest fabrication on HIS behalf -not theirs-there is a huge difference there.
If this guano-splat on the face of American politics is the best that the G.O.P. (Grumpy, Old, Pathetic) party can do for a candidate, well ----keep it up, Grincher!
The entire cast of "Idiotocracy" must be voting in their roles to give this poor cipher even a tithe of credibility!
I am a Catholic and I know that Palestine was mentioned in the old testament and new. But selective reading or acknowledgement seems to be inbred of all those who have racist feelings.
All I can say is I agree with you!
This ONLY truth Gingrich said - money from AIPAC will flow ... welcome to the new state USRAEL.
Even without entering into a fruitless argument about his recent comment characterizing Palestinians as an “invented people” I would like to point out that such a statement is completely irrelevant because at some point it has to be true about of any people. When groups of post-cave-dwell ing Homo sapiens organized themselves into a primitive community were they not in the process of inventing themselves?
I invite Newt to think about this: Once upon a time there was no ”United States.” Therefore the United States, as a state, and Americans [sic], as a people (exceptional and not) were invented as a people. In fact, even Newt might agree that those European uninvited “settlers” were, for a long time, simply part of the British Empire. Is it not true that Newt’s own tribe was; perhaps are, Englishmen who were historically part of the European community?
And what the hell would that mean?
Do YOU know who you are, Mr. Gingrich?
Duh double duh!
It takes courage to wake up!
I wonder, however, how many people realize that "Israelis" do not in fact exist. Israel is the only country in the world that differentiates between citizenship and nationality. There is no Israeli nationality. All citizens of Israel are referred within Israel as Jews, Arabs, or whatever and it is indicated on their passports. Truly shocking, but true and indicative of the innate racism of Israel and Zionism, its founding ideology.
What a terrible thing to say about anybody!
Obviously, the Jews & the Palestinians are both real peoples. It can be proven that they both have a legitimate connection to this particular land. History books are full of references, which can back that up. Their Semitic DNA proves their relationship.
Does this 3rd rate academic, Gingrich, who was denied tenure at a minor regional university, possess the gravitas needed to consign foreign peoples to illegitimacy?
On what ground does Gingrich stand? His history of serial adultery, his wish to repeal child labor laws, his kowtowing to corporations, so eager to line his pockets with filthy graft? As Speaker of the House, Gingrich was disciplined for ethics violations, & he was fined $300,000. Don't forget that the GOP asked him to step down.
The intemperate & hateful demagoguery of a charlatan, such as Gingrich, points to a lack of integrity, a lack of ethical standards, a lack of empathy, & compassion, toward his fellow human beings.
People need to take a stance against such a dishonest & immodest rabble rouser. His ersatz oratory does a disservice to the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, & Teddy Roosevelt. The bilious tirades of Gingrich taint the image of the USA itself.
This reflects very sadly on the mentality of the general public and anyone who votes for people like these must be out of their minds.
What more can one say about his mutterings?
They have such a long way to go now that I'd find new party that restores the best of what Lincoln, Hamlin, Washburns, etc, thought of banks, what Teddy Roosevelt thought about actually enforcing regulations, and what Herbert Hoover came to characterize as "anarchical capitalists" that took excessive personal advantage to skim and hoard instead of "trickling down" (that has never been implemented as advertised). Any attempts to "trickle down" seem to have led through filters that the super advantaged used to make sure they got their cut whether or not any real productivity boosters made it to the next point downstream. Seems they are building the cheap dams, with too little outflow capability, like the one that led to the Johnston Flood.
peaceandpalestine.com/maps
in 1900 there was like 4% Jewish population ... ref
ifamericaknew.o rg/history/maps .html
However, the book was written with all the sins that the Creator taught us were our arrogant egos. The Bible is an important book, people have been quoting it to their own egotistical needs for centuries,even the writers.
Would be nice that people who are speaking would get an education. I have heard more intelligent conversations on the street than I do from the Robots of the Parties in America
What is it about the Palestinians that is "invented" Newt? They look awfully real to me. And "they could have chosen to live elsewhere"? Where is "elsewhere"? This is one of the most ridiculous statements ever made by this pompous meathead. Could "elsewhere" be Newt's house?
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150586
In a sense, plundering and murdering others in the name of a god is the origin of ideological war, which has no limits on the length of conflictor the degree of destruction wrought. I am not singling out the Jews for this kind of criminality; there have been many instances of this kind of insane slaughter and mayhem--the American wars on native people on this continent being just one.
At this late stage in human history, it's too bad that we have not matured enough in mind, heart and spirit to stop this kind of madness and to stop trying to justify it in the name of some fictitious god, who is, by all accounts, a judgmental, vindictive and destructive tyrant who has no real love for his human creation, unless theyabjectly obey his commands.
Isn't it long past time to put away childish things and stop making self-righteous noises that are only sounding brass and tinkling cymbals? Howabout trying to love one another? Crazy idea, huh?
That was befor hebrews decided to leave Babylon,(Abraha m) and come to the land o milk and honey. I cite Wikepedia because it is an american site. I do not cite the Bible, although everything stated is there. Regards.
The Canaanites really did get a bad deal, but they were not necessarily related to modern day 'Palestinians'. [WE do NOT know who or what they were, or whether Hebrews along with Philistines displaced them.
In any case, the Philistines (Fellahin/Pales tinians) were hardly admirable... .
He's pandering here, and with his authoritative voice and firm declarations,a few uneducated idiots will believe him...some won't care what he says, as long as he says what they want to hear.... and some, like those who have posted here, know exactly what he's about- divisive politics. He's worse than despicable, but some actually want him to be the president. Are Americans really that dumb? I don't think so.
"So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation."
Both major parties are way off base when it comes to the Mideast. Time to be humble enough for both parties to ask themselves quitely, as Americans, what went wrong in the Mideast.
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Your anti-semetic comments are disgraceful! You should be ashamed to speak as you do and to reinforce one another's cruelty and ignorance when you lack knowledge, insight and awareness of what actually pre-empted and went on during the holocaust in regard to torture and potential genocide of a highly educated, cultured and refined people.
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