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The report begins: "Riding high in the polls, Gov. Rick Perry rode into Iowa on Saturday with tough talk on President Obama, the economy and foreign policy and a declaration that Social Security is not only a Ponzi scheme but a 'monstrous lie' for younger people."

Portrait, Texas governor and Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry. (photo: HomeTownProphetBook.com)
Portrait, Texas governor and Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry. (photo: HomeTownProphetBook.com)





Rick Perry: Social Security Is a 'Monstrous Lie'

By Peggy Fikac, Houston Chronicle

28 August 11

 

iding high in the polls, Gov. Rick Perry rode into Iowa on Saturday with tough talk on President Obama, the economy and foreign policy and a declaration that Social Security is not only a Ponzi scheme but a "monstrous lie" for younger people.

"If you're for the status quo in America, I'm not your guy," Perry told an overflow crowd eager to see the presidential candidate at The Vine Coffeehouse, where people repeatedly sang God Bless America - once to try to encourage Perry to come in from shaking hands with people outside.

Asked by a woman in the crowd about Social Security being viewed as an entitlement program, Perry reiterated the suggestion in his anti-Washington book, "Fed Up!," that the program amounts to a Ponzi scheme.

"It is a Ponzi scheme for these young people. The idea that they're working and paying into Social Security today, that the current program is going to be there for them, is a lie," Perry said. "It is a monstrous lie on this generation, and we can't do that to them."

Later, in Des Moines, when a reporter asked about the suggestion that his campaign was backing off some positions in the staunch states-rights book, Perry said, "I haven't backed off anything in my book. So read the book again and get it right."

National Conversation

He told the Ottumwa crowd that for people who are drawing Social Security or near eligibility "like me," he wasn't proposing a change in the program. But he said there should be a national conversation about potential changes for others, including raising the age of eligibility and establishing a threshold based on a person's means.

"Does Warren Buffett need to get Social Security? Maybe not," he said.

Presenting himself as the candidate who can put Americans back to work, Perry listed jobs lost in Iowa "since President Obama took over as president" and said one in eight Iowans is on food stamps.

"To be fair, President Obama inherited a bad economy, but he sure made it worse," contended Perry, who offered general suggestions for improvement such as limiting and simplifying taxes and the need to "quit spending money we don't have."

On foreign policy, Perry when asked about Israel cited a statement by Obama that Israel-Palestine borders should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps - a position Perry called "throwing Israel under the bus."

"I'm going to stand with Israel," he said.

Asked whether he'd consider preemptive strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities, Perry said there are "a lot of different ways to deal with Iran," including diplomatically and financially, But he added, "I'm never going to take off the table our ability to have a military solution to a country like Iran."

Switched Parties

Perry also was asked to explain his past support for Al Gore, in 1988 when Perry was a Democratic state House member.

"I never met a Republican 'til I was 25," said Perry, describing Texas' political past and his own, saying he "made both political parties happy" when he became a Republican in 1989.

In Des Moines, Perry also struck at Obama during a brief news conference. Asked whether he supported the potential Social Security eligibility changes he cited, Perry repeated his support for a "national conversation about how we can save the Social Security program that people expect to have as a retirement program.

"Anybody that is for the status quo ... I'll let the president speak for himself. If he wasn't for the status quo, we'd already be having this conversation."

He also called Obama "an absolute disaster as a president from the standpoint of our economy."

Perry's visit - which also included a meeting with Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad and corn growers - highlighted Perry's emphasis on Iowa's first-in-the-nation caucus vote on the presidential race.

Atop the Polls

Erstwhile frontrunner Mitt Romney has largely passed over Iowa in his emphasis on New Hampshire. Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann's win in the straw poll here was overshadowed by Perry's simultaneous jump into the race.

Perry has taken a lead in the polls, has a packed fund-raising schedule looming, plans visits to the other early-voting states over the long Labor Day weekend and soon after will face his first debate with other GOP candidates.

Texas Congressman Ron Paul, who came in second in the straw poll, took a bit of a dig at Perry's jobs message without naming him at a stop in Winterset.

"Presidents can't create jobs. Government can't create jobs. All they can do is create bureaucrats that interfere with your ability to create jobs," Paul said to applause from a crowd at the Northside Cafe. He also spoke at the Des Moines event before Perry.

Perry also has said that government doesn't create jobs, but at the same time, he's touting Texas' job numbers under his leadership as key proof that he has what it takes to put America back to work.

He said in Ottumwa that the country needs "someone who understands how to get America working again. And I'm it!"

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+169 # feloneouscat 2011-08-28 14:43
Texas unemployment is the highest since 1987. Texas had a $27 billion shortfall that is being taken out on schools and the poor. Perry has been a disaster for Texas. Now he wants to inflict that same disaster on the rest of the country.
 
 
+38 # Texas Aggie 2011-08-28 22:21
And it looks like he's going to be able to convince a lot of folks. If they elect him, I don't know what to say. A country gets the government that it deserves, but not everyone deserves to be dragged along by the mentally incompetent just because they are in a majority.

He said to read his book, and it needs to be quoted frequently to show his supporters just what they are supporting. But I'm willing to bet that for many, maybe the majority, being confronted with what a kook this guy is will only reinforce their support for him.
 
 
+10 # whatwehavehere. . 2011-08-30 08:24
Bravo-Take it from a Texan . .
The only time the GOP needs the man on the street is when he is headed to the polls. So Perry arrives, Bible in hand to announce his candidacy for President using the tried and true Republican Mantra: Voters will support any GOP Bible-thumping Christian as long as he is against abortion. Enter Perry,gun on his hip, spouting homophobic amendments. It was called the Moral Majority once, but it is always the same hypocrisy that professes Christianity to get elected. There is no excuse for ignorance. When you pull a lever for Perry you sentence us all to someone worse than Bush,a candidate intent on Corporate welfare, who will finish off the middle class. God hates liars. He equates lyingwith sexual immorality and stealing.
 
 
+6 # Bill Clements 2011-08-31 09:42
Yes, some of the dirty little facts that Perry doesn't want the rest of the country to learn about. Everyone of us should make it our duty to speak them and write them at every opportunity. Spread the word.
 
 
+119 # Barbara K 2011-08-28 15:21
Perry is a big lie on feet. He, as well as the rest of his ilk tell lie after lie and don't even try to pretend they are telling the truth about anything. Why in the world does he or his handlers think we would want a bagger for President who destroyed the state he was to be taking care of? He's not fit to be Governor, much less the President of our country.
 
 
+55 # ALinSTL 2011-08-28 16:54
WOW...JUST GOES TO PROVE THAT THE ONLY WAY TO BE A GOOD CHRISTIAN IS TO BE GOOD AT BEING FULL-TIME PRACTICING BIG LIAR...LOOK A BACKMANN, PALIN & PAUL FOR PROOF...START STICKING BIBLES AT THEM & ASK THEM TO SWEAR THEY AREN'T LYING ABOUT WHAT THEY JUST SAID...ALSO PROVES THAT ANYONE SUPPORTING THEM IS THE WORST OF CHRISTIANITY...
 
 
+46 # ALinSTL 2011-08-28 16:56
IT ALSO PROVES HE HATES TEXAS & TEXANS FOR ALL THE BAD THINGS HE HAS DONE TO THEM IN THE PAST, AT PRESENT & N THEIR FUTURES...HE'S DONE WORSE TO TEXAS THAN SANTA ANNA EVER DID...
 
 
+24 # NanFan 2011-08-29 04:46
Quoting Barbara K:
Perry is a big lie on feet. He, as well as the rest of his ilk tell lie after lie and don't even try to pretend they are telling the truth about anything. Why in the world does he or his handlers think we would want a bagger for President who destroyed the state he was to be taking care of? He's not fit to be Governor, much less the President of our country.


Because he doesn't even BELIEVE he's lying. He's a pathological liar for the detriment of all, and he's scarier than sh.t!

The Vine in Iowa is a WAY small bar and Iowa City is WAY Democrat. No one there, for real, is buying his pompous dominionist bull, except the few college-age kids who really don't yet know better...and then, they hear...their generation is being fed a "monstrous lie" about SSN from the government.

Sounds like Limbdawg to me on steroids and about to pound the world into dust just to get ready for a rapture that will surely only come in his addled mind.

Beware, though...do not forget the pulpit election of Dubya in 2004.

N.
 
 
+87 # GeeRob 2011-08-28 15:23
RSN, please do an in-depth story on the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham, convicted of murder in the arson deaths of his children. Inform your readers that Perry refused to reappoint the 3 members of the Texas Forensic Science Commission who called the determination of arson "junk science."
 
 
+48 # oakjoan 2011-08-28 17:12
There's a really good article in a New Yorker (within the past couple of years) that covers this travesty in depth. It's chillingly awful what happened to Willingham!

These people who support Perry and his slimy cohorts deserve what they get!
 
 
+40 # GeeRob 2011-08-28 18:15
Texas Monthly did one, too. But this travesty needs to reach as many people as possible.
Having won every election he's ever entered, Perry needs a new word to add to his resume: *LOSER*
 
 
+20 # NanFan 2011-08-29 04:56
Quoting GeeRob:
Texas Monthly did one, too. But this travesty needs to reach as many people as possible.
Having won every election he's ever entered, Perry needs a new word to add to his resume: *LOSER*


Pray that this new word becomes a reality! Otherwise, NAR politics in the White House will make NAZI politics look like milk toast. NAR is FAR worse, hoping for complete Christianiztion -- their style -- of the world. And their style is nothing like Christ's teachings, not even close.

Finally, how racist is it to support Israel's corrupt government at the hands of NOT trying to find, or even examine, a compromise that would help the Palestinians AND the Israeli people? I mean, really..."It's like throwing Israel under a bus" to consider the 1967 compromise??? It may not work, but it is a move to helping all, not just a few.

Look. Bottom line. Perry knows just what side his bread's buttered on, and he's in this to win. We can only hope that he will shoot himself in the foot -- metaphorically -- with some of his clap-trap rhetoric.

N.
 
 
+4 # tenayaca 2011-08-29 08:54
please try to add the link so that people don't have to search for it...and without even a title.
 
 
-98 # Songbird 2011-08-28 15:32
No when every one wanted God out of there life, school, work, not prayer at football or games. Then your getting what you ask for. Nothing but havoc and man this country is getting them and more to come.
 
 
+54 # murkel 2011-08-28 16:23
Seems you could use some more schooling to just learn to spell........An d please keep your god for yourself. Matthew VI.
 
 
+60 # tclose 2011-08-28 16:58
Songbird, you are warbling such crap, showing to all that the reason we are "getting what we asked for" is because uninformed and credulous people like you are buying into the koolaid of the far right. This has nothing to do with God, but everything to do with making intelligent choices, which is why God gave us the brains to do this, if you believe He/She had anything to do with it.
 
 
+33 # Monica Key 2011-08-28 17:13
Grammer check Songbird, it should be "out of their life".
However, that is the least of your problems.
 
 
+12 # sam kaplan 2011-08-28 18:34
Quoting Monica Key:
Grammer check Songbird, it should be "out of their life".
However, that is the least of your problems.


Hey - if you're going to nail writers for their "grammer" you might at least spell "grammar" right.
 
 
+6 # Dave B 2011-08-28 21:51
Grammar check, Monica... "out of their LIVES." Grammar police need training, too.
 
 
+6 # Dave B 2011-08-28 21:54
...and we also need to work on "your" versus "you're"...
 
 
+4 # racp 2011-08-29 10:22
I am ok with **grammar** police and I see Monica's grammar point as valid way to pointing what really the issue is. Dave B, you are more of a "typo police"... and one typo here or there it's ok with me. But I can only imagine what Songbird tried to say...literaly, because it says nothing...where is the subject? where is the predicate? what predicate modifies what subject? Those 3 sentences are a barrage of typos and punctuations mistakes... Impossible to tell with any certainty where things start and end. And as Monica, I am not sure if Songbird can either.
 
 
+50 # oakjoan 2011-08-28 17:14
Actually, the people who wanted god IN their lives are the ones who are getting what they asked for....executio ns of innocent people, ugly hatred of all those different from them, a total ignorance of science and belief in make-believe.
 
 
+31 # reiverpacific 2011-08-28 17:52
Quoting Songbird:
No when every one wanted God out of there life, school, work, not prayer at football or games. Then your getting what you ask for. Nothing but havoc and man this country is getting them and more to come.

If your English grammar and spelling is a reflection of your faith in God, then, he, she or it must speak a different language and use Klingon syntax.
I don't usually nit-pick like this and certainly wish to mock no-one but if you wish to communicate on any kind of forum, please do it without slaughtering the "Language that Shakespeare spake (or Bob Dylan, or George Washington, or Mark Twain --or, or --!)". 'Tis rich and fair and deserveth better -as Bush Jr. so readily demonstrated.
Perhaps this is what Gov. Perry wishes us all to sound like, not to mention our state of comprehension.
 
 
+12 # jon 2011-08-28 20:57
George Orwell's "Principles of Newspeak" - from his novel, "1984" - comes to mind.
 
 
+3 # Al Robles 2011-08-29 11:32
I really believe all of you that are correcting "grammer"....sh ould stop nitpicking and stick to the subject at hand. Hell, even I should not waste space telling you this. We should comment as best as we can, and be left alone if we don't spell quite up to "Shakespeare's" level. It's the intent that should matter to us.
 
 
+9 # Texas Aggie 2011-08-28 22:28
You're not making much sense. I can understand why people who support Goodhair don't particularly want God in their lives. After all, nothing he's ever done has any passing similarity to Christianity, but what does that have to do with football games? Surely you don't mean to imply that praying at football games somehow is a requirement for being Christian, do you?
 
 
+9 # NanFan 2011-08-29 05:04
Quoting Songbird:
No when every one wanted God out of there life, school, work, not prayer at football or games. Then your getting what you ask for. Nothing but havoc and man this country is getting them and more to come.


Ha! Ha! This is so laughable...God did ALL this to US!

Wow...we are so arrogant as humans to believe that some GOD is pulling the strings and watching each and every one of us at each and every moment of each and every day??? Are you kidding? Oh, and GOD likes money, too, by the way...so make sure GOD gets all yours...the poor in America, well, they really don't need it because they got what was coming to them, eh????????

This is ignorant babble, Songbird, that you are allowed to eschew, but...well... try to find your heart, that soul you believe so mightily in having saved.

And, bye.

N.
 
 
+106 # HommeVieux2 2011-08-28 15:40
SIxty years ago when I got my first job at 50 cents an hour I was told that I'd never collect on the little Social Security payments taken from my paycheck. Years later I watched my parents collect their SocSec, alleviating much concern for I and my brother and sister about their financial welfare. Now I am collecting my SocSec and only the Republican wish to destroy Social Security can keep my son and daughter from collecting theirs. How can a program that's done so much good, relieved so much worry and suffering for so many, have so earned their undying enmity for some 80 years now ?
 
 
+43 # ALinSTL 2011-08-28 17:00
JUST PROVES THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY REPUGLICNATS IN ANY OFFICE IN AMERICA AFTER 2012...THEY ARE THE AMERICAN AL-QUEDA, TRYING TO DESTROY OUR AMERICA IN ORDER TO INVENT THEIR RACIST-ELITIST- BAD-CHRISTIAN AMERICA
 
 
+11 # ladybird53 2011-08-28 18:07
ALinSTL - do us a favor and take the CAPS LOCK off.
 
 
-1 # Al Robles 2011-08-29 11:39
ALinSTL, It's the message content, not how it's delivered.
 
 
+42 # Carbonman1950 2011-08-28 17:54
Appears to me that Social Security has "their undying enmity" BECAUSE it has "relieved so much worry and suffering for some many." Social Security and Medicare are the proof that government programs can work well and efficiently; that government can be the instrument that corrects market failures and does things private industry refuses to do. Rightists simply cannot tolerate the existence of any program that disproves their faith that government can't do anything right or well.
 
 
+13 # CynthiA 2011-08-29 01:38
I agree, Carbonman. It almost seems as though some people do not believe in good government on principle. Why, then, should such persons claim to revere the Founders, who were trying to create a government? Mystifying, if true.
 
 
+17 # Texas Aggie 2011-08-28 22:31
Why do you think that the republicans associate "good, relieved so much worry and suffering" with a positive outcome? Seems to me that the average republican prefers to see the rest of the world suffer because it makes them feel so much superior that they are filthy rich.
 
 
+52 # Nell H 2011-08-28 15:42
There's nothing modest and shy about Perry is there? He is very good at "blowing his own horn."
 
 
+22 # TWells 2011-08-28 16:14
Quoting Nell H:
There's nothing modest and shy about Perry is there? He is very good at "blowing his own horn."

.... as well his hair.
 
 
+94 # SallyB 2011-08-28 15:45
Those "jobs" that Perry says he created in Texas are minimum wage jobs, hardly something to crow about. Now, had he created jobs with good livable wages and enacted single payer health care, I might listen to him. Otherwise, this swaggering cowboy Bush III needs to shut his trap. He's just going to be another Texas cowboy gunslinger in the White House. Anybody who falls for what he or Michelle Bachmann says is fooling themselves. But then again, never underestimate the stupidity of the American people. After all, they elected Dubya not once, but twice, and look what it got them. Hmmmph!
 
 
+30 # Regina 2011-08-28 20:03
Dubya wasn't elected either time -- the Supreme Court handed him his first "win" (with an assist from a Florida election finagler) and an Ohio election finagler handed him the second.
 
 
+20 # jon 2011-08-28 20:54
This, I fear, will become the norm.

Fascists have NO scruples, and they look down on - laugh at - anyone who does.
 
 
+20 # Texas Aggie 2011-08-28 22:39
Not all the jobs he "created" were minimum wage. A lot of them were in government, especially education. Under Goodhair government jobs rose three or four times faster than private sector jobs. And with his recent massive cuts in education, they will fall a lot faster than in the private sector.

And I have a problem with 'jobs he "created."' The problem is that he didn't do a blessed thing to cause them. The increase in jobs under his regime (11 years with total republican control of both houses and the judiciary) were almost completely due to increased population, mostly internal from a high birth rate, but also from Mexico, both illegal and legal, and from the high price of oil, a major factor in the Texas economy. Please, in the future say "jobs that happened while he was governor", and make a distinction about where they come from.
 
 
+91 # fredboy 2011-08-28 15:49
Perry is a bitter, sick, uninformed pup. He has no understanding of Social Security or how to lead this nation. Thus, he should be considered dangerous. We cannot afford crackpot leadership--200 0-2008 almost destroyed us.
 
 
+32 # Carbonman1950 2011-08-28 17:59
There are a great many people who honestly believe that 2000-2008 were among this country's best years. That Bush saved America from being overrun by Islamists backed by Saddam Hussein; that his tax cuts were great for the economy; that if not for him this country would be in even worse shape than it is. I find that sad and quite scary.
 
 
+13 # Texas Aggie 2011-08-28 22:40
You find it scary!!! I have a whole bunch of relatives who believe what you just said and it about gives me heart palpitations.
 
 
+11 # billy bob 2011-08-28 15:50
A perry / paul ticket is sounding like a strong possibility. He's probably just trying to woo paul supporters who "want their freedom".
 
 
+8 # Texas Aggie 2011-08-28 22:42
Can't do it. The Constitution requires that the president and vice president have to be from different states. That's why Cheney had to quickly reestablish Wyoming residency after he decided to name himself candidate for vice president.
 
 
+70 # MEBrowning 2011-08-28 15:52
Rick Perry is a monstrous lie.
 
 
+21 # ALinSTL 2011-08-28 17:02
WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU EXPECT FROM A "GOOD" CHRISTIAN...
 
 
+18 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2011-08-28 20:45
Quoting ALinSTL:
WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU EXPECT FROM A "GOOD" CHRISTIAN...


Perry is neither GOOD nor CHRISTIAN.
 
 
+17 # Patch 2011-08-29 05:22
One of the things I have learned in my 71 years is that the more someone proclaims their Christianity the less likely they are to behave as one.
 
 
+49 # gordontaurus 2011-08-28 16:00
perry is this year's palin. why oh why oh why do we waste any time paying the slightest attention to utter fools like him? we need the concerned folks to organize and push against the crooks and madmen who created this mess and not be used like the "Tea Party" is by the Koch brothers and the like who are unaware how quickly that they would be swallowed up by the ensuing chaos which they are sponsoring.
 
 
+18 # ALinSTL 2011-08-28 17:08
GOTTA WASTE THE TIME SO THEY HAVE NO CHANCE OF DOING THEIR PLANNED CRIMES...GOTTA PAY EVER SO CLOSE ATTENTION...THE GERMANS DIDN'T IN THE '20s & '30s & LOOK WHAT HAPPENED THERE...ALL REPUKES ARE KOCHSUCKERS THAT VIEW US AS COWARDLY PREY...THAT'S YOU, ME & OUR FAMILIES...OUR FAMILIES...
 
 
+35 # angryspittle 2011-08-28 16:21
Perry is the nadir of the stupid that the GOP prides itself in. He doesn't have the brains god gave a fork.
 
 
+46 # John Brookhouser 2011-08-28 16:21
My Grandmother and mother collected a very small pension and SS. without SS they would have been on the streets and starving. And yes I would have helped, but I was not earning much at that time either. Now that I'm close to retirement I'm glad that SS is there for me. Any political person that says that SS is unconstitutiona l and a ponzi skeam is a true nut case and is very dangerous. I would hope that those that say they are a christian stay away from those that spout this stuff. If you support their position then you have to know that you are denying all that Jesus taught.
 
 
+26 # in deo veritas 2011-08-28 16:41
What a bunch of morons those Paul supporters arew! They will get their frreom all right. When they die in futile wars or from lack of medical care they will be "free" and that is what the domestic fascists want-just like the Nazis they have their definition of @lives fit to live" and it doesn't include most of our population. Those who aid abet them are criminals and those who do not fight them will be the victims. Welcome to the Fourth reich if they succeed.
 
 
-31 # tcatt57 2011-08-28 16:44
We should all be well aware how the Media and apparently the alternative media use Rick Perry as a foil to take down Ron Paul. It looks like RSS has an agenda. They know the internet our lsst best hope to take our country back. Rick Perry is a carnival clown and cannot explain or define the very words and slogans he barks. Ron Paul is an Honest man, a doctor, a veteran, who knows more about history than Obama on his best day. No doubt Obama is intelligent, but we found he lacks a soul and backbone.
 
 
+14 # feloneouscat 2011-08-29 06:22
Quoting tcatt57:
We should all be well aware how the Media and apparently the alternative media use Rick Perry as a foil to take down Ron Paul.


Sorry, but I know Ron Paul. Ron Paul was my Congressman. Ron Paul is as big a disaster as Rick Perry.

Ron Paul was the Tea Party before there was a Tea Party. His solution is to cut government services. Rick Perry wants to cut government services.

In this article http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20089744-503544.html Ron Paul and his son defend the Tea Party, a Koch brothers plan to make the rich richer and the poor more devastated.

Paul has no more soul than Perry. To argue that he does is to ignore the facts.
 
 
+32 # in deo veritas 2011-08-28 16:44
Looking at the pic of Perry-ask yourself if this evil-looking varmint is what you want to run this country. Lots of people in Texas are very sorry for what their answer at the polls did to their state. They won't be so stupid again!
 
 
+38 # in deo veritas 2011-08-28 16:48
The entire republican Party is a monstrous lie! Those running it for the Koches and the teabaggers have destroyed everything it once stood for when led by Teddy Roosevelt and Ike. Thank God they left this earth before seeing everything they worked for brought to ruin starting with Reagan the Glibber and continuing with the vermin running it now!
 
 
+35 # mblockhart 2011-08-28 16:51
Say that again: If government can't create jobs, then Perry can't claim to have created jobs as leader of the Texas government. There's two lies. Government is a great job engine; just ask the contractors and the recipients of grants and loans and tax credits. And Perry didn't create any jobs as leader of Texas, the oil boom did.
 
 
+32 # chick 2011-08-28 16:51
First of all we have to remember he is first by the Republicans Period.

And his jobs that he created, he was able to do because of the Obama stimulus bill which of course he never gives credit to.
 
 
+43 # jon 2011-08-28 16:52
It begins to look like the oligarchy is going for broke with a last big push to put a total sycophant on their ticket, and then maniplate the election results using their increasing skill set of ballot theft techniques.

If the Republicans actually do nominate Perry, when 70 to 80 percent of the country is against touching the social security system, it indicates that they have an ultimate dirty trick waiting to be pulled.
 
 
+25 # dr. labwitch 2011-08-28 17:09
rick perry is a monster. and he lies. ergo, rick perry is a monstrous lie qed

he's also a screaming queen in private. can't wait for that one to surface MSM.
 
 
+15 # AndreM5 2011-08-28 17:48
References? If it is a joke, then OK it's not such a good one, but we lab Drs. require measureable facts. There are enough damning facts surrounding the preposterous Perry that bashing him with gay slurs is hardly appropriate.
 
 
+21 # Sewall-Mueller 2011-08-28 17:23
So, Rick, how much money did you get from the government last year? What about that little scheme with school teachers that you tried to get money from.
You are a disaster! I just hope people read your history and say NO TO RICK PERRY!!
 
 
+2 # Sewall-Mueller 2011-08-28 17:27
I see there's another Songbird.
Hm - I'm Toni Songbird - I forget what shows up on comments
 
 
+26 # minkdumink 2011-08-28 17:28
history repeats itself-the dimwits that elected the moron Bush,now want to elect the moron Perry.You would think that one guntoting,evang elical,lying,te xan,puppet of the rich that got us into this mess would be enough.Obviousl y the lame brains are gluttons for punishment.
morituri te salutant.
 
 
+9 # jon 2011-08-28 20:14
we who are about to die, salute you
 
 
+26 # robroy 2011-08-28 17:32
Are the mean and stupid really leading the blind and deaf? Is the constructive act now the tearing down of what others built? Social security money needs to go to its own account and not the general fund. It is that simple!! No medicare=sick and desperate people.
 
 
+1 # Cynthia 2011-08-29 01:45
RobRoy: have you read Scott's book? It is far more original than the movie.
 
 
+24 # earldog1 2011-08-28 17:35
Well Bush II is about as low as they come. I believe he will get his butt kicked in the primarys. I am a rich democrat and I will donate my quota to the democratic party like always to keep crazys like this out of the White House!! Social Security will stay for all!!
 
 
+25 # Jim Cap 2011-08-28 17:47
Well, the media now has a responsibility to follow up with Rick Perry on this. Here are some questions they might consider asking him for starters:

1) Why do you call Social Security a "Ponzi scheme"? What is this based on?

2) Are you aware that Social Security---even if we do absolutely nothing to it---is solvent for all payments until almost 2040, even by conservative estimates?

3) If you are truly convinced that Social Security is a "monstrous lie" and a "Ponzi scheme", then why do you have no plans to change it for current recipients or those over 50? Doesn't this contradict your statements about the program?

Let's start with these three and think of others. Social Security is too vital to leave this issue alone and allow Perry to skate by with such irresponsible and mendacious comments.
 
 
+7 # jon 2011-08-28 20:16
"mendacious" indeed !!
 
 
+17 # J D Walling 2011-08-28 17:49
Perry, all-considered even worse than most typical Republicans, would probably like to abolish Social Security to give more Reagan/Bush II-type GOP tax cuts to the richest.
 
 
+7 # Rara Avis 2011-08-28 18:05
If Social Security is a big lie Perry and all who support him can pay into our social security accounts. We'll gladly play along. Some of us have need of an old-age retirement or disability pension.
 
 
+17 # MicheleB 2011-08-28 18:26
Whoever said that Texans elected Perry and now are sorry...you must read back further. Those of us who are democrats have repeatedly voted against the man. But he's been governor for 10 years. We are outnumbered and outgunned by conservatives in this state. Believe me, they think he's just the perfect guy for the job and they aren't the least bit sorry about all the trouble he has caused.

Despite the fact that I wouldn't vote for him if you set me on fire, he did not create all the jobs the state has gained through the stimulus. He created SOME that way. But, he's been governor since Dubya left in 2000, so he claims responsibility for all those minimum wage jobs as well.
 
 
+18 # soularddave 2011-08-28 18:33
Lots of rational people have quietly mentioned the small adjustments that will have to be undertaken in order to keep Social Security on a sound footing without causing undue pain.

Those who scream that the sky is falling are trying to scare those of us with a vested interest in the program. Last time they wanted to privatize the program, and that would have resulted in tremendous losses for everyone. This is how we know that Mr. Perry is ill-informed and/or has an agenda that he's unwilling to define in public.

Considering where he gets his funding and inspiration, its clear that he is dangerous to a healthy Republic, and the people who live here.
 
 
+23 # angelfish 2011-08-28 18:47
Rick Perry is a MONSTROUS Fraud! He's like his predecessor, a loudmouthed, conniving dolt with aspirations too far above his intellect! His fifteen minutes are almost up so he should sit down, shut up and go back to Texas where he's a big fish in a little pond! Just look to Texas to see the damage he can wreak on the Country! WHAT is the matter with the ReTHUGS? WHY can't they have even ONE SANE, INTELLIGENT, HONEST Candidate? It SAYS something about them, don't you think?
 
 
+15 # jon 2011-08-28 20:20
It says that they are NOT honest, in fact, they are thieves.
 
 
+28 # Susan Prock 2011-08-28 18:49
First I will say that I am a Christian. Jesus is my savior! However I am also a Democrat who believes that Government has a role in our lives. At least in THIS country. I would never vote for Perry or any one else who spits out that right wing garbage. Both my mother (88) and myself (66) receive Social Security and would be out in the street without that money every month. Future generations deserve no less!
I think Perry and his gang just want the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. The Republicans want to destroy the middle class! They seem to hate any one who is not rich! Hello! You can not have a viable democracy without a strong middle class! The way to stimulate the economy is to put money into the hands of people who normaly would not have it. Et Al the poor and middle income workers. Not by making the rich even more prosperous.
Perry did not do Texas any good! He won't be good for the country!
 
 
+7 # jon 2011-08-28 20:24
The oligarchy don't just want to destroy the middle class, they want a major die-back, like we were in the horn of Africa. This is the ultimate "buy cheap, sell dear" gambit

(Republicans will ultimately be known as great de-populators)
 
 
+7 # earldog1 2011-08-28 21:18
I am also a Christian Democrat. The right christian tea-baggers that say they are christian belong mostly to the Pat Robertsons Pay-As-You-Go to find the Lord. I am a Methodist and my church is a mixture of races and ideas. I Pray for their souls , if they have one!! Excellent point you made by the way!!!
 
 
+22 # wwway 2011-08-28 18:54
The monsterous lie is combined many we've heard from the Republican party for more than 30 years...that Americans are lazy and want to live on the dole, that women are baby killers, that only the rich create jobs and that taxes are bad and that you have to be a Republican to be a Christian.
 
 
+7 # jon 2011-08-28 20:25
Amen !
 
 
+12 # Isar 2011-08-28 20:26
Well, it is clear that most of us don't trust Perry. By the way, he lies about Social Security (as do many Republicans) when the truth about Social Security is that the system is very solvent. The government takes in more money from SS contributions than it pays out. It is the ONE government program that works as it should. Medicare is having some problems, but those problems can be fixed if we keep Republican fingers out of the pie. As for Rick Perry, he is exactly what he appears to be, and it is that very "appearance" that will defeat him. He'll be gone from the scene pretty damn quick, and then we'll be saying "Rick who?"
 
 
+8 # edensasp 2011-08-28 21:40
Ponzi scheme?

Well I might believe that if I thought that all the happened with Social Security taxes when collected was just piled in a corner somewhere and not reinvested in the form of government interest bearing bonds & loans and actually generating a return. Unlike those who invested in Corporations like Enron and Wall street and other portfolios generated by the likes of Bernie Madoff and other ilk.

But its not. Its an investment for me and has been since 1977 (its 40th year of existence) when the Government mandated my participation under the threat of penalty. (Penalty, Not being able earn a living and learn a trade, educational advancement, etc).

The only Ponzi scheme being perpetrated by any agency of the US Government is Military retirement & veteran benefits. They have only one source of revenue and thats the defense budget funded by State and Federal tax dollars, supported by all parties. ( http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=4978&type=0 )
 
 
+11 # CL38 2011-08-28 22:06
This guy is a lunatic and an out and out liar. Now the right is pitting young people against retired and older people.

Remember this when you go to the polls to vote in the next election.
 
 
+13 # Archie1954 2011-08-28 23:08
Convinient how Perry neglects to mention that Obama was fought every inch of the way by Republicans when he tried to help the economy. There is no question that they are wanting him to fail and will do everything and anything in their power to make him do so, even if it means harming the US as a whole.
 
 
+11 # JohnnyK 2011-08-28 23:16
I just wish that I had his hair but that,s all.

This guy is scary. Ive been on Social Security for eleven years now. I paid for it for forty years and I deserve and need it. I'd never vote for this guy or anyone else that would threaten my Social Security.

This guy is worse than Palin or Bachmann.
 
 
+5 # giraffee2012 2011-08-29 03:08
Perry's the GOP/TP's worst nightmare. I can see President Obama and Perry in the final debates and I laugh.

There will be riots if the GOP privatizes or downs Social Security-- or Medicare -- education etc.

Register and get mail-in ballots ASAP and take that mail-in to the voting booth on election day and YOU put it in the Bucket.

I have an idea - feed back please.

I think I'll re-register as a GOP -- hold on I'm not going to be a GOP -- but it will guarantee that I can vote. GOP Governors have passed laws and made statements to make voting as a DEM difficult. I don't see anyone challenging Obama so I'd even get to vote for a GOP in primary (in my state) -- and that will be a hoot.

Anyone see a problem with this idea? In my state, other than the primary, all Dems/Repubs etc are on same ballot so I can vote for my Dem and be sure my ballot will not be discarded.
 
 
+10 # NuBN247 2011-08-29 07:16
I have a wonderful idea since, like Mr. Perry, I think some entitlements should be means tested. Let's means test health insurance for any politician, that is ANY politician, who holds a job paying at least $100K and force them to purchase their own. Perhaps then they will have a better understanding of what ordinary folks face when trying to insure their families. Notice how all the politicians who rail against so-called entitlements accept such perks using the flawed logic that they are "entitled" to them!
 
 
+6 # foxtrottango 2011-08-29 08:52
The truth is, the GOP and the Republican Party doesn't have anyone with some intelligence to be presidente, so they chose who tell the biggest whoppers and one who used religion to justify his ignorance, arrogance and bigotry.

Indeed, America deserves what it chooses to get.
 
 
+4 # tenayaca 2011-08-29 08:59
Best to also get distributed his abysmal record on healthcare (this from a TX publication):
http://www.stylemagazine.com/governor-perrys-record-on-healthcare/
 
 
+12 # tenayaca 2011-08-29 09:03
"Does Warren Buffett need to get Social Security? Maybe not," he said.

Does Rick Perry? I expect he doesn't need his Social Security either. In fact, why don't ALL REPUBLICANS beginning with the elected ones CONTRIBUTE their Social Security BACK into the trust fund (since SS is NOT PART of the general funds and does NOT contribute to the debt "crisis" at all).

I'm fairly sick of their "take it away" from the most vulnerable tactics. But then, I'm fairly sick of the Dems who don't stand up to them and stop their looting of the public safety nets.
 
 
+6 # davidhp 2011-08-29 10:04
We will see what America is made of come election day - will an out and out theocratic fascist like Perry or Bachman win or a slippier proto corporate apologist like Obama win.

Either way the working class takes the burden and hits. Time for the working class to stand up to the politicians controlled by right wing theocractic ideals or corporate fascists and excert the power of the general strike to shut down the country.
End the wars of agreesion, pass single payer health care, repeal Taft-Hartley, pass real immigration reform,repeal the tax breaks for million/billion aires, and increase capital gains tax for amounts over $500,000 to 50%.
 
 
+7 # zepcat 2011-08-29 10:13
One of the reasons these Conservative scumbags are against Social Security is it a main stay of the middle class and keeps us from having to work for starvation wages when we are old and frail much to the disdain of multinational corporations. The other is the Rich conservatives who have profited enormously from the Bush years are afraid they might have to pay back the money essentially stolen from the Social Security Administration to pay for the illegal wars we are still fighting. The Bush tax cuts were enacted to protect those who would love to see this country void of any citizen resistance and destroy the middle class and have multitudes of working poor working for subsistence wages. This would also take away the threat of illegals as they would no longer want to come here.
 
 
+3 # Guy 2011-08-29 11:37
Again we hear Israel no matter what they do,we will stand beside them.
"I'm never going to take off the table our ability to have a military solution to a country like Iran."
And he talks about the possibility of making war with Iran.Another war president?
Good luck to you folks in the USA.Here in Canada,we now have a war Prime Minister,we fell asleep and now we live with our decision.Be careful what you vote for.
Enough with war already.
 
 
+4 # David Starr 2011-08-29 15:55
I do agree. In fact, I am "obligated" to agree with most of the posters about yet another potential disaster on the Right, a "cunning", yet, knucle-dragging troglydite named Rick Perry.

Allow me to bring up a minor point, however, but which nevertheless irritates the hell out of me; which the Right has used before: In the article, Perry, being quoted, makes the pretension that he's not status quo. Talk about a flight from reality, given that the Republican agenda at its roots has been, is, the most reactionary part of the U.S. status quo. Nowadays, of course, they try to use "colored lights" to "hypnotize." Tragically, e.g., those among the working class are "willing" to go along, cutting their own throats.
 
 
+3 # in deo veritas 2011-08-29 16:52
RIGHT ON! I hope the govt. in Canada is not as corrupt as ours as I might like to live there someday. Indeed enough with wars!
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2011-08-29 19:45
If we get into any problems...Cana da and Mexico will go down with us.
Far better if we send the Politicians into outer space with all their corporate problems. Then those who want them can go after them and leave the Earth and us Earthlings alone.
 
 
+6 # russinaustin 2011-08-29 16:53
Every time Perry opens his mouth on an economic topic, he reminds us of his grade in economics at A&M - D.
 
 
+2 # Jane Gilgun 2011-08-30 12:42
If voters believe this opportunistic liar, then they have earned the consequences. It's too bad that so many who see through these self-serving lies are going to go down, too. Let's hope the snowbirds see through the lies and take to the streets and to the polls. Social Security is not an entitlement. I and my employers have paid high Social Security taxes my entire working life. So has everyone else.

Perry is illogical and is fitting the stereotype of the gunslinger. People for him have no idea how he manipulates them. Perry is a Ponzi scheme.
 
 
+1 # BVA 2011-08-31 13:50
Using Rick Perry's definition of Ponzi scheme every corporation is a Ponzi scheme! In fact every human institution that receives payments of any kind in the world is a Ponzi scheme by Perry's definition. Not a very useful definition to say the least.

This reminds me of Republican sophistry (insincere arguments) that government is creating too much business uncertainty. Business people are always uncertain to some degree. But it appears that a large amount of the current business uncertainty is being ginned up by the Republican Party rhetoric and obstruction of effective government action in order to delay the economic recovery -- so they can win the 2012 presidential election.

This sophistry is similar to rhetoric about government programs redistributing wealth. All government programs, in fact almost all human institutions, redistribute wealth -- it's just a matter of the direction of the flow of wealth -- who it's being redistributed from and to. Currently, and for at least the last 30 years, the net effect is a lot more wealth has been and is being transferred from the "non-rich" to the "rich" by all our institutions, public and private. You can see that vividly at work in Rick Perry's Texas economy.
 
 
+1 # jerryball 2011-08-31 15:01
Rick Perry is 10 years younger than Social Security.... So which is the lie? 61 years of success. I would hardly call that a lie -- if only the cheats, thieves, and liars would keep their hands out of it. Right now the only thing left of a $2.6Trillion fund is a bunch of I.O.U.s Honest Government is a lie. Dishonestly untruthful politicians ARE the lie.
 
 
+1 # BVA 2011-08-31 15:02
Government is the adjustable (Crescent) wrench, and/or the Vise-Grips of institutions. We choose to use it when all other institutions or combinations of institutions (business corporation, non-profit corporation, trade association, charitable organization, educational organization, or other private institution) are not large enough in resources to accomplish the task, not unbiased enough to be fair, not legally powerful enough to obtain compliance, or just plain inappropriate in the public's perception. Government gets all the thankless, difficult tasks of society.

If we had waited for private corporations, or other private institutions to act we would still have child labor, rivers catching on fire, worrying about our children catching polio, no healthcare for and high poverty rates among the elderly, struggling to get out of the Great Depression, and dealing with the Nazi government of Europe and the Japanese Empire of Asia.

The saying "a bad mechanic blames his tools" applies when we fail to realize that our government has been sabotaged. Hypocrisy applies to those that blame government for failures, while supporting policies that sabotage and hobble government action. Sometimes government is not appropriate, but more often its failure is caused by sabotage by corporate lobbyists and politicians seeking political advantage.
 

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