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Excerpt: "Chile's Supreme court sentenced 33 former intelligence agents of Augusto Pinochet dictatorship for the enforced disappearances of five communist activists in 1987 who were kidnapped, drugged and dumped out to sea."

Archive photo of anti-Pinochet protesters during a march outside of the country's Supreme Court in Santiago, Chile. (photo: EFE)
Archive photo of anti-Pinochet protesters during a march outside of the country's Supreme Court in Santiago, Chile. (photo: EFE)


Chile Sentences 33 Pinochet-Era Agents for Disappearing Communists

By teleSUR

23 March 17

 

After the 1973 U.S-backed coup that brought Pinochet to power, tens of thousands were murdered, tortured and disappeared.

hile's Supreme court sentenced 33 former intelligence agents of Augusto Pinochet dictatorship for the enforced disappearances of five communist activists in 1987 who were kidnapped, drugged and dumped out to sea.

The court sentenced the defendants to between three and 15 years in prison for the abduction and disappearance of the five members of the Manuel Rodriguez Patriot Front, the militant wing of the country's Communist Party.

The longest sentences were given to the former head of the National Information Center, General Hugo Salas Wenzel, and Major Alvaro Corbalan Castilla, both of whom will spend 15 years behind bars.

21 other officials were sentenced to 10 years in prison for their involvement in the event.

The Supreme Court also ruled that the families of the victims will receive compensation from the state amounting to US$575,000 for the families of the victims.

The victims, Julian Pena Maltes, Alejandro Pinochet Arenas, Manuel Sepulveda Sanchez, Gonzalo Fuenzalida Navarrete and Julio Mu�oz Otarola, were disappeared after being arrested by agents in retaliation for the kidnapping of Colonel Carlos Carreno in 1987.

During former President Sebastian Pi�era's candidacy launch on Tuesday at the National Museum of Natural History, small groups shouted slogans in favor of the former dictator on several occasions, sparking outrage on social media. Pi�era later said he did not support the chants.

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-32 # zakcat@ptd.net 2020-03-06 10:55
I take issue with this opinion; people are looking for a safe, sane, non-polarizing candidate as a contrast to the volatile, hate mongering trump. I know many solid Biden supporters who will work their hearts out to promote him and to DEFEAT TRUMP. The last thing we need is yet another polarizing politician to keep the left-right pendulum swinging wildly.
 
 
+25 # kath 2020-03-06 11:39
A safe, sane candidate with cognitive decline is okay?
 
 
+1 # Robbee 2020-03-06 19:41
how well anyone does in debates against dickhead is beside the point!

in 2016 hillary beat dickhead in each debate! - so what? it didn't matter! it didn't count!

debates are not places where dickhead? or anyone debating against him? loses an election

this minute? isn't dickhead honing his attacks on bernie? and biden? in today's speeches? in today's tweets? a new spin every day? - free-associatin g the latest breitbart? to the latest cable news?

*unless we are not paying attention* we know -

1. what conspiracy theories dickhead will campaign against bernie! and biden! *Note* IT DOESN'T MATTER if the conspiracy theories are lies; IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER if you can prove the conspiracy theories are lies!

dickhead is a demagogue - he slings alternative facts with the worst

2. it takes time to fend off conspiracy theories; no theory can be absolutely disproven; just to phrase a conspiracy theory creates some doubt in the mind of the hearer; and absolute conviction in one who hears what s/he wants to hear

3. it takes time for bernie to explain policies

whereas relying not on policies but "soul?" biden has a lower burden of persuasion!

4. if you believe debate performance matters? watch joe whip paul ryan's butt in 2012

5. pramila needs to compare the dollars of "medicare for all" with "public option"
 
 
-17 # Cowboy 45 2020-03-07 07:19
Sounds like you just recited the democrats playbook over the last few decades.

1.Throw out a bunch of conspiracy theories, doesn't matter if they are true as long as they damage the opponent.(Russi a, Ukraine) Meanwhile the democrats actually paid for the fake Russian born dossier on Trump and there is a yet to be investigated actual scandal involving Biden in Ukraine.

2.It does take time to fend off phony accusations. 3 years on Russia, and a year of impeachment garbage that weakened the country and produced nothing. (democrats played right into Putin's hands on that one)

3.It does take time to explain policies. Try to kill the conversation by calling the opposition racist, misogynists, homophobic, xenophobic, etc. It is easier to just tell everyone that everything will be free in the new socialist paradise. Just make sure you don't try to explain how you will pay for it. (Warren learned that lesson the hard way)

4.Did he get the questions in advance like Hillary did?

5. Just outright lie about what you want to do, don't worry the media has your back. There is no public option on the table with Bernie. It is government healthcare. That means the the medicare program will no longer exist in it's present form and everyone who has employer sponsored healthcare will no longer have it, and it will be replaced by a government program. (don't worry though, it has worked out well for our veterans.
 
 
+7 # trimegestus 2020-03-08 23:07
Cowboy, government-fund ed healthcare has a successful record in other countries.

In America in my home city of Philadelphia a major teaching hospital (Hahnemann University Hospital) closed in July 2019. Last week another Philadelphia hospital announced the closing of its in-patient facility. Rural hospitals, as well as urban hospitals, depend on Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements, which are inadequate to cover costs. Many hospitals are cutting services like obstetrics.

The American healthcare system costs much more per-person than European systems.

Medicare-For-All would be a good start for reducing costs and improving service and health outcomes.
 
 
+28 # Freddy 2020-03-06 11:44
Not mentioned in this article: Biden has repeatedly voted to cut Social Security. We could instead have a Democratic presidential candidate who is promoting Social Security expansion. That issue alone can bring along many who would otherwise support Trump.
 
 
+25 # dascher 2020-03-06 12:12
What "left-right pendulum" are you referring to?? Carter, Clinton and Obama were only "left" compared to the hard-right, racists, and neo-nazis that we've been presented by the GOP since Reagan and Nixon before him. It's been a moderate right - hard-right pendulum, if anything. The New Deal is almost completely undone between the demands of the hard right and the "compromises" of the moderate-right. You must have been born when Reagan was in office.
 
 
+24 # TTDM 2020-03-06 13:11
The problem with your disagreement is that Biden cannot and will not beat Trump. He will lose bigly. He will also crush the "left wing" of the Dems and he will not get their support. This is where moderates say "well, we need to unite around the Dem candidate, lesser evil! lesser evil!". Fuck. That.

I'm not voting for ANY evil anymore, as it screws us just the same as Trump and Bush. These corporate hacks use pretty words instead of vulgarity and people have figured them out, hence we get Trump. I will show the DNC the same "unity" they have shown me for at least 30 years: disdain, derision, and contempt
 
 
+16 # economagic 2020-03-06 17:06
Non-polarizing? !? I didn't really know who Joseph Biden was until he facilitated the confirmation to the Supreme Court of "Uncle" (Clarence) Thomas, and I have been righteously pissed off at him ever since.

His association with the "centrist" Obama, who did nothing special about the Climate Crisis and INCREASED the nuclear threat while maintaining and in some cases expanding the warmongering of his predecessors, did a lot to impress me about his policy orientation, all bad.
 
 
+13 # librarian1984 2020-03-07 06:33
I think you're forgetting that 'normal' was pretty damn bad. Most of us don't want to go back to the business-as-usu al circumstances that, frankly, got Trump elected in the first place.

Trump got votes because most people were sick of living paycheck to paycheck, with half a million people sleeping on American streets at night and another half million going bankrupt each year because they had the misfortune of getting sick.

Five million taxpayers lost their homes (even as taxpayers bailed out Wall Street), and Democrats under Obama lost 1000+ legislative seats around the country. Not so golden.

Joe Biden and the corrupt establishment backing him are neither safe nor sane. Au contraire!

And if you think Biden is non-polarizing, you are only partially correct. Both parties' establishments like him -- the GOP he emulates and the DINOs who've hijacked the party of FDR.

But I think you'll find he's QUITE polarizing within the party. There are millions of us who will not vote for the LOTE, war mongering, racist misogynist who's spent his entire career trying to cut Social Security and Medicare.

Biden's supporters don't have passion. They have fear. It's Sanders supporters who will get out the vote. It's Sanders who can defeat Trump.
 
 
-1 # politicaleconomist 2020-03-06 10:59
Nathan, Thank you, a great analysis as usual. One thing you get wrong, Hillary Clinton really did violate the law. You can read up on this by Dan Metcalf who was a HC supporter and is the foremost expert on the relevant aspect of the law. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/30/1532487/-Dan-Metcalfe-30-year-DOJ-vet-OIP-founder-difficult-to-imagine-Hillary-not-being-indicted
 
 
+7 # HarryP 2020-03-06 17:22
 
 
+2 # librarian1984 2020-03-07 06:39
There are many trolls on the internet. Bloomberg trolls. Trump trolls. White supremacist trolls. David Brock Hillary trolls. Teenager trolls. Even Russian trolls, or so I've heard.

It's easy to tell which one you are. You always crawl out from under your bridge when poor HRC is not properly worshipped.

What a sad calling .. but at least you'll never run out of work.
 
 
+2 # HarryP 2020-03-07 10:55
 
 
+2 # librarian1984 2020-03-07 18:23
If I could find any factual content, I'd have something to counter, but you tend to rely heavily on snark and insults with just a soupcon of contempt.

I think it's fascinating that people (and I note this especially in neoliberals) tend to project their own bad behavior onto others. Remember how she/they said Bernie wasn't dropping out soon enough (even though he dropped out earlier than she did against Obama) or that Trump would never accept losing the election (even though it's the Democratic party thats been torn apart by their unwillingness to take an honest look at why Trump won)?

I see the same inclination in you. What you accuse others of is usually a fairly accurate indicator of what you're up to.

Please. Try some 'factual content'. It would be such a refreshing change.
 
 
+4 # lfeuille 2020-03-06 23:27
Not the law. State Dept. regulations. They are not the same thing.
 
 
-14 # BKnowswhitt 2020-03-07 15:21
Correct she got treated with kid gloves compared to Trump. Joe Biden committed the Quid Pro Quo he got the investigation stopped in exchange for releasing usa funding to ukraine. RudyGiulianics 10 podcasts eye witnesses .. money laundering evidence on Hunter .. big big stealing of usa funds to ukraine via shell companies .. yasonovich (sp) stopped 4 investigations into H biden and more .. Dem Mafia machine is coming down and both Bernie and Biden will go down with it .. as well as liberal media including this shit blog ..
 
 
+25 # Macserp 2020-03-06 11:07
I made this same argument before he ever officially got in the race, but it has become even more evident what a dangerous move this is by the establishment Dems. He really comes up short and makes Hillary look galvanizing. I suspect the Dems, and the NY Times et al, have played right Into Trump's hand as he would obviously rather face Biden in the general election.
 
 
+6 # jsluka 2020-03-06 13:03
You are wrong, but it's weird and ironic. Trump and his minions believe that it is Sanders - not Biden - who is unelectable because "he's a socialist," and that's why Trump has told his minions to vote in the Democratic primary if they can and vote for Sanders. The immense irony of this is that it is, in fact, Sanders who is a sure to defeat them - not Biden. This is another sign of how dumb Trump and his minions are. They are supporting the one candidate that would certainly defeat them. There have been multiple news reports of this, such as: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/28/politics/trump-south-carolina-rally-democratic-primary/index.html
 
 
-23 # Cowboy 45 2020-03-06 15:43
Neither Sanders or Biden are electable. Lets face it the democrats bench is pathetic. The country is going to keep America great.
 
 
+6 # librarian1984 2020-03-07 06:41
And besides, Trump has kept all his promises and life in America is already so great again, right?

Hahaha. I'll bet you did magic tricks (very badly) when you were a kid.
 
 
-15 # Cowboy 45 2020-03-07 11:40
I believe he has kept all of his promises. Got us out of the Iran deal, the climate deal, got us new trade deals, sealed the border, cut taxes, brought manufacturing back, created jobs, rebuilt the military. I just don't get you folks. Everything in the country is going great right now. Wages are going up, especially on the middle to low end, everyone who wants a job has one. And yet liberals wake up every day pissed off because things are so miserable.
 
 
+14 # librarian1984 2020-03-07 18:33
He cut taxes FOR THE RICH.

The wall was going to be paid for by Mexico.

All the good high paying jobs would be back and factories would be back in the US.

We'd have a 'much better much cheaper' health system.

Our troops would be home. The wars would be over.

The intelligence community would be neutralized.

Unemployment is low because people have two and three low paying jobs -- and still can't pay their bills. Wages are NOT going up. They have been stagnant for 45 years ... AND STILL ARE.

Rebuilt the military?! BOTH parties fellate the bloated military. They can't throw $$$$$ at them fast enough.

'Everything in the country is going great'?!?!?!?

60% of people can't afford a $400 emergency. 500,000 people sleep on the streets every night. 20% of American children live in poverty. 22 veterans a day commit suicide.

You are brainwashed.

Believe me, I have MANY problems with Democrat sheeple. But you have such blinkered vision it causes pain.
 
 
-12 # Cowboy 45 2020-03-08 07:01
He cut taxes for everyone.

The wall will be paid for many times over when we don't have thousands of people pouring over the border that we need to deal with.

Companies are reinvesting in the US, and good paying jogs are everywhere, don't know where you have been. This is the best time in decades for a non educated or a college educated person to be entering the workforce.

Healthcare and entitlement reform will be second term after we win the house. House currently will not work with our president.

Trump is anti war and has tried to bring troops home. Unfortunately as long as there are radical Muslims in the world we aren't going to be able to do that.

The 2-3 jobs thing makes no sense, that was a ridiculous comment AOC made and was roasted for it. The only people not working right now are those who would rather live at the survival level and not work rather than do something with their lives. (like socialism). You must not be in the workforce, wages have gone up dramatically, especially on the low end.

People can't afford a $400 emergency because they are stupid with their money. Skip the Starbucks and pack a lunch for a few weeks and they will have that covered.
 
 
+2 # economagic 2020-03-09 06:56
"He cut taxes for everyone."

Yeah, but he cut those of Bill Gates by maybe 20 percent, and mine (middle class on Social Security) by zip. People making poverty wages got a slightly better deal: He cut their taxes by 0.1 percent.
 
 
+2 # librarian1984 2020-03-09 13:05
I agree with you on one thing -- whenever Trump tries to bring troops home the military-indust rial-intelligen ce complex loses its $h!te and stops him, and so-called liberals should be ashamed of siding with Brennan, Clapper et al just because they oppose Trump. This was a rare opportunity to shorten their leash and Dems blew it.

As for the rest, you actually made me guffaw.

Re the wall: that is just sad.

Re companies reinvesting: I know because I'm living it, I know my coworkers' situations, and I am informed with, you know, actual statistics. I'm not referring to anything AOC said. I am talking about the life I live -- and I drive to work on bad roads too.

You need to get out more and talk to people. They are working hard but still hurting, but you, like many Limbaugh lovers, have constructed a world of lazy hippies and hostile feminists.

In the 50s, when banks were regulated, one income could support a family. They could even have a car and go on vacation once in a while. Since then wages have stagnated while prices have not.

While worker productivity is some of the highest in the world, compensation has not risen. Do you know the minimum wage hasn't gone up in 10 years (and even then it was inadequate).

Please, show me one believable statistic about rising wages.
 
 
-10 # BKnowswhitt 2020-03-08 04:19
Problem here is that all buy into the Dem Machine politico .. One can't be rich unless they are corrupt .. those in low income are victims .. everything is either racist or some kind of rights violation .. weather and climate are changing radically because of CO2 .. not proven .. the World is a mess .. which is it but the 'Progressives' wrongfully assess why . so they can't acknowledge anything that Trump has done .. that's against Progresso Babble argument .. which would bring into question that they may be on the wrong ship all along ..
 
 
+2 # economagic 2020-03-09 06:53
Sir: On what planet have you been spending most of your time lately? And have you ever consulted any source of information that provides actual information, as opposed to fantasies to its worshipers?
 
 
-3 # BKnowswhitt 2020-03-10 00:59
Isn't about me or how smart i am or not .. it's about YOU .. YOU who believe in false science i use the CO2 farce because it is a glaring false example of Truth bastardized .. The Progressives want you to believe in their bullshit .. 31 Gov models are wrong computer models based on false science funded by gov's and the UN (which we fund almost entirely by the way and also that physically resides in NYC) that's USA and want to use those models to shame us into a false demonizing of oil gas and natural gas or shale fracking 9many false stories about fracking as well .. with this .. they want you and i and us all to believe they have identified the boogie man .. when in fact this is the BOOGIE MAN!!!!
 
 
0 # librarian1984 2020-03-14 04:04
Fossil fuel companies' own research found evidence of impending climate change due to their own activities AND THEY COVERED IT UP, knowing the dire consequences.

They are the most profitable companies in the history of the world BUT TAXPAYERS STILL SUBSIDIZE THEM!

Some might even call it corporate socialism.

99.6% of all climate scientists agree that human activity is leading to catastrophic climate disruption but you're all la-la-la don't-bother-me-with-facts.

Remember the Cheney Doctrine? If there's a 1% chance of terrorist activity you're allowed to ignore the Constitution. But with more than 99% consensus among, you know, scientists ... you just want to ignore it?

If we're wrong, we (boo hoo) live in a world with cleaner air and water; if you're wrong, the planet burns, probably resulting in our own extinction. So YOUR decision is to be paranoid and ignorant? Mind boggling.
 
 
+5 # lfeuille 2020-03-06 17:53
Trump team may believe that but Trump doesn't. He just says that to rile up his base, but private he thinks Bernie's program will be hard to beat.
 
 
+3 # librarian1984 2020-03-07 06:42
There is audio of Trump saying he was relieved Hillary didn't pick Sanders as VP.
 
 
+6 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2020-03-07 07:59
Yes, you have it right. Sanders is much stronger against Trump than Biden.
 
 
-7 # DeeBee 2020-03-06 13:14
Quoting Macserp:
I suspect the Dems, and the NY Times et al, have played right Into Trump's hand as he would obviously rather face Biden in the general election.


This is actually the exact opposite of reality. Trump has been targeting Biden (what was the whole Ukraine thing about) while saying Sanders is getting screwed. He clearly would prefer to run against Sanders than Biden as well as stir up hostility among Sanders supporters. He may be right or he may be wrong, but let's work from facts.

Nathan, it's absolutely true that Biden has weaknesses, but so does Sanders. That's what those of us who haven't drunk the Kool-Aid are trying to figure out. And as far as your ability to know what's going to happen, wasn't it your article that after Nevada said basically the fight for the nomination was over, Sanders was going to be the clear winner, and everyone should unite behind him ("After Bernie Sanders' Landslide Nevada Win, It's Time for Democrats to Unite Behind Him", 2/24/2020). A little humility seems in order.
 
 
+7 # HarryP 2020-03-06 17:43
DeeBee

I'm glad you're holding Robinson's feet to the fire. Too often, pundits pontificate and when they're wrong (especially in their predictions) they act as if they had never said it..

You're right to say the both Biden and Sanders are vulnerable to the shit storm Trump is sure to unleash. I would have loved to see a debate between Warren (who has her own liabilities) and Trump. She'd spit right back in his eye.
 
 
0 # lfeuille 2020-03-06 17:58
Trump was targeting Biden before the primaries started and Biden was leading in the polls. Biden's debate performances and his losing in the early contests changed the equation. Ukraine was about PAST crimes.
 
 
-1 # librarian1984 2020-03-07 06:46
Oh, you've drunk the Kool-Aid, all right, and I'm not sure you've demonstrated you know what 'facts' are.

Humility, meet kettle.
 
 
+7 # mmc 2020-03-06 11:30
This appears to be written by a member of traitor trump's staff. For trump, English is a second language, and he is ignorant, lying and dumb as a rock. If Biden wins the nomination, for our country to win it will be up to Mr. Sanders's supporters to come to the polls, vote for Biden, and not vote for trump. I will vote for the Democratic nominee, no matter who it is: will you, or will you disable our country further by staying at home or voting for the plague trump.
 
 
-9 # Cowboy 45 2020-03-06 15:45
The Bernie's will stay home if they won't be getting all their free stuff. Trump wins again.
 
 
+10 # librarian1984 2020-03-07 06:55
By 'free stuff' do you mean the benefits of citizenship generated by the taxes we pay?

Oh wait, MY taxes go to a bloated war machine bombing a dozen countries in my name and a corrupt political system that can't be bothered to put a functional voting machine in my district.

MY taxes subsidize history's most profitable corporations and bail out kleptocrats in suits.

You know public colleges WERE free 50 years ago (back in the good ol' days you purportedly yearn for), right? Our public schools were funded -- and considered the best in the world. We had the world's longest lifespans and best roads.

I'm sure you have a very interesting take on what happened to change all that ... and I suspect it's quite ill informed.

But hey! No problem, right? Everyone has the right to be loudly arrogant and deplorably ignorant. This is America.

Yeehaw, Cowboy!
 
 
-10 # Cowboy 45 2020-03-07 12:23
Federal taxes are for the things citizens and States cannot do on their own, such as the military and the interstate highways. The rest is supposed to be done at the State level.

Your taxes don't subsidize corporations, they get tax breaks on income for reinvesting in the business which is what gives us all the wonderful things we have in our lives that we didn't have 100 years ago, including life saving procedures and medicine. The only time we need to bail them out is when the government gets involved and does something stupid like dictating to the banks that everyone should get home financing, and then guaranty the bad loans.

Public schools were free 50 years ago. That was when professors taught more than 1 class per week, didn't have a staff of people working for them, and the university's weren't the bloated bureaucracies they are today. That was also before the government took over the student loan program making unlimited money available to anyone willing to sign for it which in turn drove up the tuition costs.

In Bernie's world we should pay for other people's child care, the guy who saved his money and worked through collage should help pay back the loans of the guy who partied and took 6 years to graduate and borrowed money for "living expenses". The guy who goes to work out of high school as a carpenter gets to subsidize the medical student who graduates as a surgeon making millions of dollars. Could go on.
 
 
+9 # librarian1984 2020-03-07 19:03
You have got things SO ass-backwatds.

When oil corporations get subsidies, where do you think that comes from? MY schools. MY roads.

Life saving procedures and medical research were subsidized by government funded academic research.

We bailed out Wall Street because deregulation in the Reagan and Clinton administrations have given us a roller coaster market with spikes and bubbles, not stability.

The collapse was from bundled derivatives passing losses down to small players while the fat cats looted the economy.

Academic bureaucracy was infinitely expanded with the corporatization of universities. Read the Powell Memorandum.

When the government ran the student loan program the interest rate was 3%; it was when it became privatized that tuition and interest rates skyrocketed.

In MY world, not just Bernie's, yes we should INVEST in an educated population because it's of benefit to all of us and our country. We should all put our share in for fire and police protection, and good roads, and kids who understand history and science. Why shouldn't Amazon pay any taxes? Even Warren Buffet agrees!

How is the guy who worked hard helping to pay back the deadbeat's loans? What are you talking about?

Most people work hard, but you construct fantastical hippie deadbeats and pretend every Democrat is like that. I suppose because somewhere deep down you know your ideas don't hold up.
 
 
-6 # Cowboy 45 2020-03-08 07:26
I don't have time to get into all of this, but I will quickly address some of it.

I don't agree with subsidies either, hey we agree on something.

Government and corporate investment in research. Corporations R&D is what you guys call tax breaks because that investment is not taxed.

Market has had spikes and crashes since the market began, look at a chart of the S&P 500. We are in another bubble now. A crash is sure to follow.

Those bundled derivatives were full of shit loans that had no chance of being paid back because the government decided we should have more minority home ownership. You need to look at the cause, not the symptoms.

The government runs the student loan program now, was taken over during Obama's term. Has gone crazy since then. When it was private the people making the loans actually had to worry about them being paid back.

Amazon will pay an obnoxious amount of taxes as soon as it is no longer in expansion mode.

Under Bernie's free College or loan forgiveness plans, those who didn't go to College are subsidizing those who did. Hence the plumber is paying for the surgeons medical degree. The guy who was responsible and worked his ass off to get through College with little or no debt would be paying for the loans of the guy who borrowed 20K on top of his tuition so he could have a good time at College and graduate with a degree in gender studies.
 
 
+3 # economagic 2020-03-09 07:22
"Market has had spikes and crashes since the market began, look at a chart of the S&P 500. We are in another bubble now. A crash is sure to follow.

Those bundled derivatives were full of shit loans that had no chance of being paid back because the government decided we should have more minority home ownership. You need to look at the cause, not the symptoms."

Again, you simply don't know what you're talking about, cherry picking your "alternative facts" from sources that don't deal in actual facts, or if necessary out of thin air.

It was not the requirement that banks lend to people in low-income neighborhoods who DID have sufficient income, but the aggressive marketing of mortgages by the big banks to people whom they KNEW could not pay. We even have their people on tape joking about "liar loans" and NINJA loans (No Income, Job, or Assets). They then buried those IOUs in packages with thousands of others, some of which were OK, and sold shares in the packages to their "investors,"* pocketing ALL of the proceeds and stiffing the buyers with the losses they KNEW would ensue. They even crafted similar packages to order for their FAVORED clients, who then cleaned up by betting heavily that they would fail.

*Misuse of the term "invest" is another story. Much of what is called "investing" today is speculation, aka gambling, according to the occasional honest economists who study them.
 
 
+1 # librarian1984 2020-03-09 12:49
No, the market was much more stable but with slower growth before Reaganomics and neoliberalism.

'Amazon will pay'

Wow. Speechless. You will believe anything.

Under Bernie's plan vocational school and apprenticeships are included. Do you remember all the lies about how, when we lost jobs to factories moving and technology, workers would get retrained to adjust to the new economy? That never happened.

Sanders will follow through on FDR's second phase, which included worker protections and health care -- which EVERY OTHER civilized country manages.

Do you realize the benefit to companies not having to insure their employees?
 
 
+1 # randrjwr 2020-03-11 10:49
Replying to all of your Comments on this Article:

All VERY WELL SAID!! Could you be persuaded to run for President?
 
 
+10 # economagic 2020-03-06 17:30
Oops, sorry, I gave you a green thumb but intended the opposite.

Apparently you favor the "business as usual prior to Trump" notion, that if we can just get Trump out of the oval office we can go back to the "good old days," say 1992-2016. Do you honestly believe that Biden would even attempt to rebuild the governmental infrastructure that Trump has savaged, in particular the EPA, the Departments of the Interior, State, Education, Justice, Commerce/Labor, and HHS (public health and the social safety net)? I don't.

Furthermore, we are staring the Climate Crisis in the face (unless "we" are pretending it doesn't exist) including a possible ecological collapse. We are 30 years behind on all that, with only ten years left to do a job that would have been challenging to do in 40. If another four years of Trump would be akin to being shot in the head, four years of Biden, who was a rudderless bumbler before he became demented, would be akin to being shot in the stomach, a long, painful death.
 
 
+7 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2020-03-06 12:00
I saw a recent episode of the Jimmy Dore show and he was talking about a Sean Hannity program on Biden's dementia. Dore showed a lot of clips of Biden. I think Hannity previewed what Trump's main attack on Biden will be -- he is losing his mind.

Dementia and Alzheimers happen to people as they get older. They are just normal parts of aging and don't need to be a cause for alarm since there is nothing that can be done about them. But they are signs that someone should not take on the most responsible job in the world. A president has to juggle a thousand issues swirling around him every day. Biden won't be able to do that.

Trump will make a mess of Biden. Why couldn't the power elites in the Democratic party pick a much better candidate? Was Gropin' Joe all they had?
 
 
+1 # Glen 2020-03-06 16:14
Alzhiemers and Dementia are NOT a normal part of aging. Those brain issues are not predictable.

A number of older presidents have had brain issues and folks covered for them. If Biden has a true brain issue, then yes, Trump will shred his credibility, but Biden has other concerns (and relatives) who will bring him down when Trump digs in and cuts him down.
 
 
+2 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2020-03-07 08:07
Glen -- "and folks covered for them."


Well, these "folks" are unelected and often unknown. Is that the kind of government we want. I don't think so. These behind the scenes "handlers" are precisely what we don't want.

I agree with you that Biden has other issues that are more crucial. He's just a bad candidate to send up against Trump. Why can't the power elites in the Demo party do better than Biden? Don't they have anyone else? Or is this just what they think of the presidency -- send in a near brain dead zombie like Reagan into the presidency and then let his "handlers" do all the work.
 
 
+3 # Glen 2020-03-08 06:39
The "folks" were in the administration and close. Kissinger, for instance. The U.S. government has often been run, not by the president, but by surrogates. Cheney did a powerful job pushing George W. and controlling the presidency. George may not have had classic dementia, but he certainly was/is chemical brain fuzzy.
 
 
+2 # HarryP 2020-03-06 17:32
RR

Were going to have the most enlightening presidential campaign in our country's history: The two candidates accusing each other of losing their minds. It's fodder for comedians such as Dore, who seems to be your prime source of information. How about going to Kimmel, Trevor Noah, Joh Oliver once in a while?

Btw, you're over 80. How's your Alzheimer's doing? Better than Trump's, I hope, who you think is able to handle thousands of issues. For real?Just look how he's doing with corona. His self-admitted "hunches" are treated on FoxNews as scientific wisdom chiseled into stone.
 
 
+3 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2020-03-07 08:04
HP -- it won't be an enlightening debate. It will be depressing and disgusting to see just how low into the sewer American politics has sunk.

Trump is an idiot but not from any dementia or brain degeneration. He's always been that way. Gropin' Joe is just fading out.
 
 
+10 # janie1893 2020-03-06 15:11
Thanks Nathan. Trump will out debate Biden from the first debate! Biden is not electable and will not be President. We will again have a President who is untruthful, greedy, self absorbed and who cares nothing for America.
 
 
+4 # margpark 2020-03-06 16:21
If Biden is the Democratic presidential nominee we will have the pleasure of seeing two old men who speak in garbled sentences in a debate. Not sure it will be very funny in the miserable state our country is in.
 
 
-11 # gbdoc 2020-03-06 18:44
 
 
+2 # lfeuille 2020-03-06 23:36
What you call "extreme measures" are favored by the majority of Democratic voters as shown in the exit polls. They have given in to Trump Panic encouraged by the MSM and have temporarily lost the ability to think things through.
 
 
+6 # librarian1984 2020-03-07 07:06
Well said.Extreme? Sanders would be considered a centrist in Europe.

Many polls have shown that there is majority support for the individual items on Sanders' agenda, even among Republicans, and in a poll a couple of months ago Sanders was ranked FIRST in every one of ten issues (environment, economy, foreign policy, etc) on being best able to lead US in the right direction.

The gaslighting you are getting about comparative electability is the result of years of media and political misinformation and fearmongering -- and it seems to have worked on you just as planned.

By 'realistic' I must suppose you mean Social Security cutting, warmongering, Wall Street loving 'centrist' -- but I must disagree that it will attract voters, any more than Hillary's feeble incrementalism did.

Didn't we just see this movie?

Do you remember Einstein's definition of insanity -- doing the same thing but expecting a different result?

Try thinking outside your manufactured consent. It's quite liberating.
 
 
+2 # chapdrum 2020-03-07 23:42
Whether it's Biden or Sanders, my guess is that DT will refuse to enter a debate (as what or who would stop him)...in the related way that, if he loses the election, he may refuse to leave office.
 
 
+1 # wilding 2020-03-08 10:10
Absolutely. We need Bernie. The young will turn out en masse for him as they did for Obama. With Biden we get fossil fuels, fracking, business as usual, no taxation for the super rich to pay their fair share, no health care for the struggling, no reduction of student debt and no green new deal, a program which would give jobs, energy independence and a flourishing economy.BERNIE is the only chance to beat Trump. lOTS OF CONSERVATIVES LIKE BERNIE TOO, BY THE WAY, AND HE MAY TRUMP TRUMP JUST BY BEING KIND, NICE AND GOOD.
 
 
0 # Uncle Freddy 2020-03-08 12:40
not sure the author has a grasp of all of his faculties ...?? as Trump won by a mere 70K electoral votes in 2016, even with all of the help he received from Putin .....and Trump has LOST votes / voters / support over the ;last 3 years, not gained votes / voters / support ....as long as the DEMs can instigate, hit home and make happen party unity around Joe and making sure he get elected, he'll win ....jeez, a ham sandwich with bad mayo can beat Trump in November !!!
 
 
0 # economagic 2020-03-09 09:23
I think a better metaphor for a Trump-Biden contest would be, "Trump will eat Biden alive." Trump's ruthless lies, non sequiturs, and BS keep any but the most practiced and focused debater off balance. Now his personality disorder (narcissism) will Trump (sic) Biden's cognitive decline.
 
 
0 # revhen 2020-03-09 10:20
I completely agree with Sanders on his concern for "climate change, health care, inequality and corruption." In fact I tried to get my church area organization and then our denomination to support his amendment to the constitution that would block the Supreme Court decision Allowing big business and the very rich to control our elections. And I support some sort of universal health care. "Medicare for all," believe it or not, is too weak a response. My wife and I spend some $6000/year on supplemental insurance. A national health plan such as in Britain would be far better. The problem is we have a maniacal incompetent in the White House. Bernie comes across as equally maniacal in his presentations. And to complement Castro on improving education in Cuba ranks with say that Mussolini at least made the trains run on time - in both cases ignoring the horrors of their administrations . Thus the turn to somebody comfortable who probably will work to undo many of the outrages perpetrated by Trump and the Republicans. We old folk have had a lot of experience and knowledge that leads us to put our trust into a sane, balanced, caring person.
 

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