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Wagner writes: "Sanders’s comments signal that, if she wins the presidency Nov. 8, Hillary Clinton may have to contend not only with Republicans who oppose her agenda but also with liberals in her party who were not excited by her campaign and have long feared that she plans to govern as a centrist."

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders confer during a break in their debate in Charleston, S.C., Jan. 17, 2016. (photo: Joseph Sohm/Shutterstock)
Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders confer during a break in their debate in Charleston, S.C., Jan. 17, 2016. (photo: Joseph Sohm/Shutterstock)


Bernie Sanders: I'm Going to Make Sure Hillary Clinton Implements Progressive Policies

By John Wagner, The Washington Post

26 October 16

 

en. Bernie Sanders, a loyal soldier for Hillary Clinton since he conceded the Democratic presidential nomination in July, plans to push liberal legislation with like-minded senators with or without Clinton’s support if she is elected — and to aggressively oppose appointments that do not pass muster with the party’s left wing.

In an interview, Sanders said he and other senators have started plotting legislation that would achieve many of the proposals that fueled his insurgent run for president, including a $15 federal minimum wage, tuition-free public college, an end to “mass incarceration” and aggressive steps to fight climate change.

The senators, Sanders said, also plan to push for the breakup of “too big to fail” banks and to pressure Clinton to appoint liberals to key Cabinet positions, including treasury secretary. Sanders said he would not stay silent if Clinton nominated the “same old, same old Wall Street guys” to regulatory positions that are important in enacting and overseeing the financial policies he supports.

“I will be vigorously in opposition, and I will make that very clear,” Sanders said.

Sanders’s comments signal that, if she wins the presidency Nov. 8, Clinton may have to contend not only with Republicans who oppose her agenda but also with liberals in her party who were not excited by her campaign and have long feared that she plans to govern as a centrist.

It remains to be seen how much sway Sanders will have in January. He is in line to take over the chairmanship of one of the Senate’s major committees if Democrats regain control of the chamber, but aides to some of the senators he said are working with him suggested that less of a coordinated effort is underway.

The proposals Sanders plans to push are contained within the Democratic Party’s 51-page platform, a document that he and his allies were instrumental in drafting in the run-up to the party’s July convention in Philadelphia. Although in the past the party platform has often been quickly forgotten, Sanders’s role in shaping it was key to his decision to support Clinton, and he has long planned to pressure her to follow through with action in the White House.

Progressive groups have questioned whether Clinton will fully embrace such initiatives as president and where they might fall on her priority list, particularly as she potentially faces a divided Congress and makes outreach to Republicans a focus of her campaign. Clinton did not embrace some of the policies contained in the party platform as a candidate in the primary cycle, but she has since signaled her support.

Sanders said he considers it his job “to demand that the Democratic Party implement that platform.”

The iconoclastic senator from Vermont, whose long-shot presidential campaign turned him into a national celebrity, shared his plans Friday during a candid and lengthy interview in his home town.

In recent weeks, Sanders has stumped for Clinton, traveling the country to rally skeptical progressives and others around her bid to defeat Republican nominee Donald Trump. But during the conversation in his office here, it became clear that Sanders is ready to reassert himself within the Democratic Party.

“The leverage that I think I take into the Senate is taking on the entire Democratic Party establishment, and, you know, taking on a very powerful political organization with the Clinton people,” Sanders said. “We won 22 states and 46 percent of the pledged delegates, 13.4 million votes . . .and a majority of the younger people, the future of the country. . . . That gives me a lot of leverage, leverage that I intend to use.”

Sanders said that his office and others have started converting the party platform into draft legislation. He said the lawmakers “informally” working with him include Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) — who campaigned with Clinton on Monday in New Hampshire — Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) and Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.).

Aides to those senators said they are certainly inclined to embrace liberal agenda items, many of which they have championed in the past. And Warren, in particular, has a history of speaking out against President Obama’s nominees when they are not up to her standards, and she has signaled a willingness to do so under another Democratic president.

Sanders said he has not sought assurances from Clinton or her staff that she would be on board with an effort to enact the platform “piece by piece,” as he intends.

But, he said, “right now, as I see it, that platform is where Clinton is at, where I am at, where the vast majority of Democrats are at, and that is what we’ve got to implement.”

The Clinton campaign has sought to play down any potential fissures with the left wing of the Democratic Party. On Sunday, Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon said that Clinton is “proud to have worked with Senator Sanders on drafting the most progressive platform in Democratic Party history.” If she is elected, Fallon said, Clinton “intends to partner with him to advance their shared priorities.”

During a rally in Raleigh, N.C., on Sunday, Clinton touted her proposal to make college debt-free — and credited Sanders with working with her on the idea. The two rivals had worked together after the primaries to scale back Sanders’s proposal to make public colleges and universities tuition-free for everyone.

But in other ways, Clinton has signaled that her early agenda may be designed to appeal as much to Republicans as Democrats. On Sunday, Fallon told reporters in Raleigh that Republicans should be able to support two of her top priorities, immigration reform and investing in the country’s infrastructure.

“We think that we have put forward ideas for the first 100 days that are the ones that Republicans should have every reason to work with us on,” he said.

Sanders said in the interview that he favors a more combative approach.

“It’s not good enough for me, or anybody, to say, ‘Well, look, Republicans control the House: From Day One, we’re going to have to compromise,’ ” Sanders said. “The Democratic Party, before they start compromising, has got to rally the American people around our ideas and make it clear that if Republicans do not go along with reasonable ideas to benefit the middle class and the working class, they are going to pay a very heavy political price.”

If the Democrats take over the Senate, Sanders is all but guaranteed to have a bigger voice in the chamber. He is in line to become chairman of the Budget Committee, although he said his preference would be to take the gavel of the Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, which has jurisdiction over the minimum wage, health care and many of the issues he has championed during his quarter-century in Congress.

Sanders said Clinton’s appointees to top positions in her administration would provide a strong indication of the direction she intends to take — and he plans to hold her feet to fire to fill her Cabinet with progressives. A top priority, he said, is a treasury secretary who does not come from Wall Street.

Like other progressives, he said he has been troubled by rumors that Facebook chief operating officer Sheryl Sandberg could be under consideration for that post.

Sandberg, Silicon Valley’s best-known female executive and author of a best-selling book on women’s empowerment, has a close relationship with former treasury secretary Lawrence H. Summers, who has ties to Wall Street.

“I personally believe that a billionaire corporate executive is frankly not the kind of person that working families want to see as secretary of treasury,” Sanders said. “We need somebody who has a history of standing up to Wall Street and is prepared to take on the financial interests whose greed and illegal behavior has done so much harm.”

Sanders said he also will make known to Clinton his views about who should serve in roles such as U.S. trade representative and attorney general.

“I expect her to appoint people who will head agencies in a way that is consistent with the Democratic Party platform, and if not, I will do my best to oppose those nominees,” he said.

Sanders characterized the platform as more progressive than Clinton’s campaign agenda but said she would have an obligation as the party’s president to try to enact it, regardless of which party controls the House and the Senate.

On a number of positions, her views are progressive,” Sanders said, “but I believe that the Democratic platform is more progressive and that the Democratic platform is the most progressive platform in the history of this country.”

Sanders will get another opportunity to promote his agenda next month, when he launches a 17-city tour in support of his new book, “Our Revolution: A Future to Believe In.” Sanders also has plans for a string of television appearances to tout the book.

The first half of the book, he said, is a recounting of his presidential campaign from a “very personal point of view.” The second half details many of the policy issues he pushed on the campaign trail, but in “much greater detail.”

The book tour, Sanders said, “will be a good place, I think, to begin talking about where we want to go as a country.”

During the course of the interview, Sanders, 75, first hedged when asked whether he would ever run for president again, but then he declared it as “highly, highly, highly unlikely.”

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+16 # wrknight 2016-10-26 08:58
Come on, Bernie. Wake up and smell the roses. By the end of the wars there won't be a nickel for those lovely, progressive promises.
 
 
+34 # wrknight 2016-10-26 09:02
Lydon Johnson proved that we can't have guns and butter. We will pay for it. If not through direct taxation then indirectly through inflation or some other means. One way or another, we will pay dearly for all this war.
 
 
+13 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 12:25
Wake up and smell the napalm is more like reality.
 
 
+10 # fletch1165 2016-10-26 13:24
Notice he won't even mention single payer anymore, which was a prime cornerstone of his campaign. Under the current corrupt lot, rates continue to skyrocket as predicted and more and more Americans get shafted.

Without a public option expect the pushers from the prescription drug companies accelerating their pace in getting unwitting people hooked on their toxic wares that kill more than even tobacco: opiates, anti-depressant s, pain killers, statins, mercury laced inoculations, etc, etc, etc. All for a quick buck for CEO's and next to nothing going to research.

The death rates for cancer remain the same as 1978. This country's medical system is worse than the third world. Babies have a far greater chance to survive to two years in Mexico than the United States. Hillary could have stopped the lead poisoning and brain damage in Flint, but she doesn't give a damn about anyone but herself. Anyone endorsing Hillary or her buddy Trump is a corporate shill I will never give my support. No one is more pro-Israel and ready to kill for them and the international banking cabal that controls them now than Hillary either. NO ONE.
 
 
+21 # Inspired Citizen 2016-10-26 09:07
What will Senator Sanders be able to do to stop President Oops-War Clinton from starting a war with Russia over Syria? Nothing.

https://youtu.be/8rpiqyGmQXQ
 
 
+1 # RMF 2016-10-26 11:50
By definition Congress always has the last word on anything -- it's called the "power of the purse."
 
 
+12 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 12:27
Quoting RMF:
By definition Congress always has the last word on anything -- it's called the "power of the purse."


Yep! And theirs is plenty full considering all the whoring they've done for the corporate, military, security complex.
 
 
+7 # Inspired Citizen 2016-10-26 17:03
Executive Branch of gov't has been "post-constitut ional" for 16 years now. "Anything" excludes military acts in "crisis."
 
 
+3 # John Cosmo 2016-10-26 18:32
Quoting RMF:
By definition Congress always has the last word on anything -- it's called the "power of the purse."


Actually, the degree to which they have the last word isn't all that significant. Instead they just borrow and spend anyway, increasing our national deficit.
 
 
+1 # RMF 2016-10-27 10:07
Deficits are good when used in a counter-cyclica l fashion as doing so smooths out the ups and downs (boom and bust) of the economic cycle and supports GDP in the bust phases.
Problem is GOP want to increase deficits for two improper purposes -- (1) giving tax cuts to wealthy and (2) create foundation for cutting programs that benefit working classes.
 
 
+1 # lfeuille 2016-10-26 21:04
It hasn't had the nerve to use it in decades.
 
 
-1 # RMF 2016-10-27 10:03
It certainly has had the nerve to use it in the present era -- one good example among many is the GOP Congress' law prohibiting expenditure of federal funds on provision of abortion services. This particular example is called the Hyde Amendment -- GOP Congress does it all the time, or tries to do so, until blocked by Congressional Dems.
 
 
-8 # Robbee 2016-10-26 14:41
Quoting Inspired Citizen:
What will Senator Sanders be able to do to stop President Oops-War Clinton from starting a war with Russia over Syria? Nothing.

- a progressive has only one argument for electing rump - the opinion that rump is unlikely to start war with russia - and - that hill is likely to start war with russia

robbee believes that either of them starting war with russia is highly unlikely - and that - of the two - putin's expansionist policies would needle rump worse - for rump all politics is personal - rump lacks perspective - he knows no difference between sending a tweet and sending a nuke - all the same to him
 
 
-11 # Robbee 2016-10-26 14:56
Quoting Robbee:
Quoting Inspired Citizen:
What will Senator Sanders be able to do to stop President Oops-War Clinton from starting a war with Russia over Syria? Nothing.

- a progressive has only one argument for electing rump - the opinion that rump is unlikely to start war with russia - and - that hill is likely to start war with russia

robbee believes that either of them starting war with russia is highly unlikely - and that - of the two - putin's expansionist policies would needle rump worse - for rump all politics is personal - rump lacks perspective - he knows no difference between sending a tweet and sending a nuke - all the same to him

- citizen - you led the movement to blackmail super-delegates into voting bernie - how did your undemocratic bullying work out for you?

we know bernie didn't appreciate you "bullying for bernie" - it was ugly and oppressive - had you? how good would it have felt, to you, to bully dems into voting bernie? - would you have apologized if bernie had won? why not?
 
 
+11 # wrknight 2016-10-26 16:51
Quoting Robbee:
robbee believes that either of them starting war with russia is highly unlikely - and that - of the two - putin's expansionist policies would needle rump worse - for rump all politics is personal - rump lacks perspective - he knows no difference between sending a tweet and sending a nuke - all the same to him

Robbee, along with a whole lot of other people keep talking about Russian expansionist policies. I would like Robbee and anyone else to tell me just where Russia has expanded at any time in the last 40 years. Tell me how much territory Russia controlled 40 years ago compared to today. Tell me where they are now compared to where they were 40 years ago.

Now, after telling me how much more territory Russia holds today compared to 40 years ago, tell me how much territory is held by NATO forces today compared to 40 years ago. Then, look up the word "expansion" and provide me with the dictionary definition and then, comparing the territorial occupation of the two competing powers, Russia and NATO, tell me which one has expanded and which one has contracted.

Do that, Robbee. Show me the numbers, show me the geographic locations of all this Russian expansion. Show the rest of the community just how much you know about it.
 
 
+7 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 18:01
Quoting wrknight:
[quote name="Robbee"]

Do that, Robbee. Show me the numbers, show me the geographic locations of all this Russian expansion. Show the rest of the community just how much you know about it.


Right on the money wrknight. Demonizing people and nations in order to justify military action and genocide has a long history in the US. Just ask Indians. We don't keep the treaties we sign, and we believe America's 'manifest destiny" is to rule the whole damned planet.
 
 
+25 # Ted 2016-10-26 09:11
All very nice, tough talk! We love it!

Please don't try cast me as a hypocrite or Bernie traitor, I consider Senator Sanders to be one the most valuable politicians and greatest men of our time. I mean that.

However let's be realistic about the amount of influence Sanders, as one Senator, is going to have on an administration that is probably already laughing about how easy it was to co-opt his campaign in the first place.

On November 9 clinton will be done with Sanders other than to lie some more about how closely she worked with him to hammer out a platform that most likely will be used as scrap paper in some obscure lackeys cubicle.
 
 
+23 # HowardMH 2016-10-26 10:27
Ted, I sure hope you are wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.

It is not just Sanders but several million voters that are Sanders supporters all across the country that Clinton will have to deal with if she puts the platform in the recycle bin.
 
 
+20 # Ted 2016-10-26 10:49
Honestly, we all know how much influence citizens have on elected officials. Virtually zilch.

Has clinton even once MENTIONED the massive citizen action happening at and in support of Standingrock?

We might get some lip-service now and then but the establishment politicians are VERY secure in their freedom to do whatever the heck they please.

Especially since so many of those Sanders supporters have so easily rolled over and will be accepting anything she does because after all, they voted for her.
 
 
+19 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 11:25
Quoting HowardMH:
Ted, I sure hope you are wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.

It is not just Sanders but several million voters that are Sanders supporters all across the country that Clinton will have to deal with if she puts the platform in the recycle bin.


The unelected deep state doesn't give a damn about what citizens think. What did you think the militarization of police is all about? The war mongers will not hesitate to declare martial law at the slightest threat. It doesn't matter who wins the election, the corporate, military, security complex wants war with Russia, and it will do whatever is necessary to make it happen.

"Today the path to total dictatorship in the U.S. can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by Congress, the President, or the people."

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/26/a-deep-state-of-mind-americas-shadow-government-and-its-silent-coup/
 
 
-12 # Robbee 2016-10-26 14:09
Quoting Ted:
All very nice, tough talk! We love it!

Please don't try cast me as a hypocrite or Bernie traitor, I consider Senator Sanders to be one the most valuable politicians and greatest men of our time. I mean that.

However let's be realistic about the amount of influence Sanders, as one Senator, is going to have on an administration that is probably already laughing about how easy it was to co-opt his campaign in the first place.

On November 9 clinton will be done with Sanders other than to lie some more about how closely she worked with him to hammer out a platform that most likely will be used as scrap paper in some obscure lackeys cubicle.

- bernie never kept it secret that hill is "infinitely better" than rump

some here cannot stand it that bernie is right

bernie and warren created the dem platform and hill's progressive stance

only if voters vote hill - do bernie, warren, 12 million bernie-voting dems and progress count

any vote for anyone but hill is a vote for rump - paraphrases bernie
 
 
+6 # wrknight 2016-10-26 17:05
Quoting Robbee:
- bernie never kept it secret that hill is "infinitely better" than rump

"Better" is a comparative adjective meaning more good than just plain good. Before you can convince me that hill is better, you need to convince me that she is good. So far, I'm convince she is just plain evil.

Quoting Robbee:
bernie and warren created the dem platform and hill's progressive stance

The democratic platform isn't worth the paper it was written on or the time required to read it. And the planks are even useful for firewood. If you believe any of that platform will see light of day, then you have your head where it can't see light of day.

Quoting Robbee:
any vote for anyone but hill is a vote for rump - paraphrases bernie

And a dish is a spoon and a bus is a dog and a cow is a door.... and whoever says that "a vote for anyone else but hill is a vote for rump" is a fool.
 
 
+22 # John Puma 2016-10-26 10:09
With all due respect (and more than a tad of disillusionment ), Sen Sanders would have promoted, and realized, more progressive policies if he had accepted Jill Stein's offer to head the Green Party ticket.
 
 
+7 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 12:14
Quoting John Puma:
With all due respect (and more than a tad of disillusionment), Sen Sanders would have promoted, and realized, more progressive policies if he had accepted Jill Stein's offer to head the Green Party ticket.


It wouldn't have mattered. The process is rigged.

https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/americas-voting-machines-risk
 
 
+3 # John Puma 2016-10-26 13:43
He wouldn't have had to get much to get more than zero.
 
 
+1 # wrknight 2016-10-26 17:10
Quoting crzkat:
... The process is rigged.

https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/americas-voting-machines-risk

It's not the voting that's rigged, it's the political parties that are rigged. The rigging is done well before the primaries. Hillary's nomination was locked in long before anyone got to see a voting machine. The primary elections and caucuses were simply formalities made to appear that the process is democratic. What's amazing is that Bernie came as close as he did to upsetting the well laid rigging of the party.

People who make allegations of rigged voting machines are simply throwing out red herrings to divert your attention away from where the real rigging is done. You need to shift your attention to the tall pole in the tent and away from the mouse droppings.
 
 
+5 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 18:14
Obviously you have not read about how simple it is to rig electronic voting machines. How do you think party hacks rig elections? If you followed the Democrat primaries it should be quite obvious how they rigged his losing.

You also do not give enough credit to the shadow government that controls the finances and direction of the US. It is the cabal that actually runs things. They control the money and the power, politicians have no choice but to follow their dictates or their presidency will fail. This is America. Money equals power.
 
 
0 # Depressionborn 2016-10-29 07:13
let's take away the money. stop paying taxes
 
 
+1 # librarian1984 2016-10-29 11:11
Maybe we can be cellmates!

:-D
 
 
+2 # John Puma 2016-10-27 01:35
To wrknight:

You are absolutely correct that "rigging" occurs well before actual primaries but that hardly precludes rigging at other levels with other methods.
 
 
+17 # Paul Larudee 2016-10-26 10:19
Clinton has shown how much she thinks she needs Sanders or cares about progressives. On women's rights, the progressives will back her. On her warmongering, the Republicans will back her. Either way, she calls the shots and the progressives will have essentially no influence.
 
 
+18 # djnova50 2016-10-26 10:27
Bernie, I voted for you in WA caucus and primary. I would have voted for you in the general election; but, I will not vote for Clinton in the general election. I have decided to vote for a candidate who has been campaigning on progressive issues.

Remember that Clinton has a public and a private policy. Her public policy is what she has on her campaign web site and gives in her campaign rallies. Her private policy is what she gives to her corporate sponsors. The two do not mesh.

Please watch this video. Cr Cecil Bothwell explains it fully why Jill Stein is the choice of progressives: https://youtu.be/G69GIM0clXs
 
 
+12 # kkartha 2016-10-26 10:30
Sen. Sanders is going to twist HRC's arms, if she doesn't comply to his wishes?
 
 
-1 # fletch1165 2016-10-26 13:33
The mafia corporate capos will kill him that employ Hillary if he doesn't fall in line.
 
 
+20 # tenacity11 2016-10-26 10:35
Good Luck with that one Bernie. She is so in bed with Pharma, Oil and the military complex. She's just telling people what she thinks they want to hear until she gets into office if she does and then watch the wolf come out of the sheep'
s clothing.
 
 
+11 # wrknight 2016-10-26 11:31
Don't forget Wall Street.
 
 
+9 # fletch1165 2016-10-26 17:57
Goldman Sach's Hillary doesn't give a rat's ass what Bernie and his 150 million supporters want.
 
 
+2 # wrknight 2016-10-26 18:16
You mean Goldy Sacks?
 
 
+17 # lamancha 2016-10-26 11:14
If Sen. Sanders enjoys significant clout with Hillary, he must urgently impress upon her to publicly renounce her disastrous, potentially people-ending "no fly zone" over Syria, to which she still seems committed.
 
 
+2 # Merlin 2016-10-26 15:57
lamancha 2016-10-26 11:14
"If Sen. Sanders enjoys significant clout with Hillary, he must urgently impress upon her …"

Well said!

Bernie doesn't and won't. The "opposition role" in this Kabuki theatre is just part of the show. It has no real meaning or effect.

The last 8 years are a testament to the reality of how much effect we The People, or anyone who holds an opposing point of view, has affected Obama's policies.

HRC will do as she is told and which she heartily agrees with.
 
 
+3 # fletch1165 2016-10-26 17:59
The Royal Bank of London that controls 85% of Israeli lands, and of which Goldman Sachs is a subsidiary of, will have nothing of it.
 
 
+11 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 11:29
The election is rigged. The fascists in the corporate, military, security state will make sure Hillary wins because she will go along with their plans for war with Russia and Iran. Bernie will be drowned out by the war party.

He never had a chance of winning, and neither does Trump.
 
 
+2 # fletch1165 2016-10-26 18:01
Shledon Adelson who is for Hillary, paid Trump $100 million to play his role and divide us so we won't be focused on the Power Elite you describe that run the international banking cartel.
 
 
+2 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 21:02
Adelson is a bit part player. The cabal that runs the central banks of virtually the whole world controls everything. They call the tune, and the rest of the world has to dance. This is the root cause of the tension between the west and Russia, China and Iran. Those central bankers are concerned that the BRIICs will be successful in creating a monetary system in competition with their own. Saddam, Qaddafi, and al-Assad had independent central banks. Qaddafi was promoting an African central bank with a gold guarantee. That's why he and Saddam are dead, and al-Assad is a dead man walking.

Iran, Russia and China want to establish a reserve currency independent from the dollar. That doesn't sit well with the cabal, nor with the fed because it diminishes US power abroad and domestically. To prevent that from happening we're going to go to war. The Pentagon says we're gonna win.
 
 
+1 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 21:04
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/10/24/us-army-chief-talks-up-war-with-russia-insists-us-will-win/

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/russian-lt-general-were-teetering-on-the-brink-of-war-with-the-united-states_102016

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-iran-foreign-policy_us_55f05c2ae4b002d5c07786b2

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/26/a-deep-state-of-mind-americas-shadow-government-and-its-silent-coup/

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/washingtons-global-economic-wars/ri17112

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-slide-toward-war-with-russia/

Straight from the horses mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqD8lIdIMRo

Wake the f*ck up, people. This election has already been decided. They're using it to distract your attention from the coming war, which may very well start before any one is inaugurated.

Do some reading outside of the mainstream propaganda media.
 
 
+5 # tedrey 2016-10-26 11:36
So that's how the wind now blows. 11 of the 12 previous comments say Sanders will have no influence, and proceed to ensure that by giving him no backing or even good wishes to his efforts. They're like the voters a year ago who said don't support Sanders because he hasn't a chance. We now have a proven champion within the fortress, ready to fight, and now we disown him and refuse him backing. He's asking us to do our part out here and we are telling him we don't care if he folds. Damn it, sometimes I think he's worth the lot of you.

I hope the next dozen comments will start to restore my faith in progressive sense and resolve.
 
 
+11 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 11:58
Don't hold your breath. Many of us have lost faith in this illusory democracy, and recognize the dictatorship it has become. Votes don't matter, the electronic voting machines are rigged.

"... countless investigative journalists, well respected institutions, filmmakers, and observers have noted for years: the US has one of the least transparent, most corrupt and unreliable electoral systems in the developed world."

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/26/dear-liberals-trump-is-right/

Bernie and all the delusional progressives-li berals can jump up and down and scream and cry forever. The deep state that runs the country doesn't give a damn.
 
 
+3 # Merlin 2016-10-26 15:50
tedrey 2016-10-26 11:36

As I note below:
Merlin 2016-10-26 13:00
“In an HRC establishment controlled Presidency, Bernie will represent the “loyal opposition.” That means that HRC will do as she chooses and Bernie will loudly and ineffectively complain. The position of “loyal opposition is very acceptable and actually wanted and needed by the PTB in order to foster the illusion that the People’s voice is being heard. (ala GB.)”

This whole election is Kabuki theatre, and you are buying into the theatre production as if it is real. When you believe in fantasy as you appear to be doing, the real world laughs at your being part of their “audience.”

This is a political magician’s world, and to believe the tricks you see are real, ignores the whole premise of what they are doing. Look! The lady does not really get sawed in half! That is the reality. Bernie is playing a role at this point. There is little reality in what he is doing.
 
 
+5 # wrknight 2016-10-26 17:32
Quoting tedrey:
So that's how the wind now blows. 11 of the 12 previous comments say Sanders will have no influence, and proceed to ensure that by giving him no backing or even good wishes to his efforts. I hope the next dozen comments will start to restore my faith in progressive sense and resolve.

Sorry, I'm going to make it 12 out of 13.

That doesn't mean I don't support Bernie. I will do everything in my power to help make his dream come true. I wish him the very best of luck, God speed and a thousand Hail Mary's, but that doesn't change anything. Hillary is who she is and no one (probably not even Bill) is going to budge her one inch from her sacred mission which is world domination by the holy American empire.

We exceptional Americans will show the ancient Romans how to do the job right.
 
 
+3 # fletch1165 2016-10-26 18:05
I guess youi were born yesterday tedrey. We have been fighting for change since the early 80's most of us. We have seen our work unraveled by corporate fascists that control both parties. Nothing will happen at the top until both parties are destroyed. I support grass roots only. The theft of the election and the DNC convention proved its criminal cabal corruption you won't ever penetrate.

Look what they did to Dennis Kucinich. Bernie is being disingenuous clearly. Sorry you are snowed.
 
 
-6 # elkingo 2016-10-26 12:08
As far as I can see, the entire political spectrum extends between 2 poles, capitalism and socialism. At the extremes, the furthest right is laissez faire capitalism, (read robber barons and class repression), and the furthest left is total governmental control of all economic activity, (read totalitarianism , fascism). In this regard, this “pendulum” can be visualized as capable of swinging in either direction, and indeed must be set at some humane level in between these.

Thus, in the 2016 American presidential election, Clinton’s candidacy is valuable only insofar as it implements policies and measures as such. Consideration of Trump’s candidacy in this regard is flatly ridiculous. In practical terms, one hopes that Sanders can indeed nudge her to the left. In his primary campaign, Sanders was urging toward socialism, and currently it is Stein. (continues)
 
 
+2 # wrknight 2016-10-26 17:44
I gave you a thumbs up because you have some interesting thoughts there, but you are confused in your use of terminology. First, fascism and socialism in the extreme are mutually exclusive as fascism is a coalition of business and government leaders. Socialism excludes private enterprise and thus the business leaders. Second, socialism need not be totalitarian as you can still have democratic processes within a socialist state.
 
 
+7 # elkingo 2016-10-26 12:09
(part 2)
But it is important to note that both candidates are the currently ultimate personality products of historically deteriorating capitalism, both are capitalist ideologues. But in two different “flavors” as it were. Trump is in the mode of “buccaneer” – the omnivorously aggressive capitalist entrepreneur (read “robber baron”), Clinton as the consummate “Washington insider” and “wheeler dealer”politici an.

Viewed from the standpoint of what the world desperately needs now, both for its very physio/biologic al survival, let alone abrogation of the immense cruelty billions endure there is, while ostensibly a substantive difference between the candidates,: none, except as indicated above. Choice between 2 establishment capitalists is virtually no choice at all, giving the pressing and increasingly ominous global situation.
 
 
+10 # elkingo 2016-10-26 12:11
And I think Crzcat is right. The election IS rigged in just that sense: that "we" could generate such recidivist candidates.
 
 
+11 # dusty 2016-10-26 12:14
What is referred to as "centrist" as a possible, perhaps likely, position that will be taken by HRC is a position way right of center, a corporation and Wall Street friendly position opposed to the needs of the people of our nation.
 
 
+9 # DLJ 2016-10-26 12:52
"Centrist?" Clinton is a corporate, wall street friendly lay down kitten. she is is high-flying hawk ready and more than willing to foment more wars and work for regime change whereever neoliberalism, like in Venezuela, has a foothold. We can only wish Bernie luck in pursuing the Dem platform, but it would be very naive to think that will happen--unless of course the people turn to the streets and force the situation.
 
 
+16 # Ted 2016-10-26 12:52
FROM CHRIS HEDGES

Part one;

Over the last 15 years, following my return to the United States after two decades as a foreign correspondent, I have written eleven books on American culture and society. 

These include:

War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning
American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America
Death of the Liberal Class
Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle
Days of Destruction and,
Days of Revolt and Wages of Rebellion: The Moral Imperative of Revolt

My reporting and writing, which has taken me to many parts of America, has convinced me that the traditional mechanisms of reform, including the two major political parties, have been captured by corporate power.

We no longer live in a functioning democracy, but a system the political philosopher Sheldon Wolin calls “inverted totalitarianism.”
We will step outside this system and build alternative movements, including alternative political parties, or see the rise of a Christianized fascism, of which the Trump campaign is the dress rehearsal.
 
 
+18 # Ted 2016-10-26 13:04
FROM CHRIS HEDGES

Part two;

It is imperative that you join me in contributing to the Stein/Baraka presidential campaign and vote for Jill and Ajamu in the upcoming election. There is no longer any genuine threat from Donald Trump that can be used as an excuse to vote for Hillary Clinton.

The current policies of austerity and endless war, of wholesale surveillance, of Wall Street fraud and abuse, along with a refusal to enact a massive green energy program to save our environment, will by 2020 ensure the rise of a far-right candidate endowed with a discipline and political skill that eludes Trump.

If Jill and the Green Party can get 5 percent of the vote we will have $10 million in federal funds in 2020 and broad, nationwide ballot access. This election is about building the momentum for this historical moment.

The time for resistance, genuine resistance, is now. We must step outside the political mainstream. We must, like Greece and Spain, invest in movements and parties to reverse our corporate coup. 

We must dismantle the neoliberal policies and imperial adventurism that have laid waste to our civil liberties and are destroying the nation and the planet.

Don’t be ruled by fear this election. Be ruled by your conscience.

Chris Hedges
 
 
+10 # djnova50 2016-10-26 13:13
Thanks, Ted. I read this letter this morning. But, there are probably many who have not read it. Chris Hedges, as far back as I can remember, has always supported the Green Party. In fact, RSN used to put his articles in their newsletter. It's possible to use the search window on the RSN and type in Chris Hedges to find them.
 
 
+7 # Merlin 2016-10-26 13:45
djnova50 2016-10-26 13:13

I second Ted's posting this! RSN will not. (Hmmmm… Maybe that is a good idea! We posters will bring Progressive articles (when appropriately and legally done here.) That way we could totally avoid the RSN published sHillary propaganda (of Krugman, Reich and the others) that has become the current trend!) It sure would be better than Kellis printing out the whole NYT Krugman articles as he is won't to do.

Bring on Chris Hedges and vote Green and Jill!
 
 
+8 # fletch1165 2016-10-26 18:10
I really don't understand how anyone that understands these realities can endorse Hillary. Stein is clearly the only choice.
 
 
+2 # wrknight 2016-10-26 17:59
Quoting Ted:
FROM CHRIS HEDGES
We no longer live in a functioning democracy, but a system the political philosopher Sheldon Wolin calls “inverted totalitarianism.”

A better name is fascism. Fascism, named after Mussolini's Fascist Party, was a coalition of business and government leaders that ultimately overthrew the Italian monarchy and established a dictatorship which subsequently outlawed all other political parties.

The primary distinction between Mussolini's evolving fascist government and what we have today is that Italy was ruled by a monarch before Mussolini and the fascists took over.
 
 
+14 # markovchhaney 2016-10-26 12:55
Why would Republicans be opposing HRC's agenda? After all, she's a Republican. Her agenda will, by and large, be theirs.
 
 
+2 # maindrains 2016-10-26 13:16
They will oppose her just because its in their DNA. She may be a republican but shes not the kind of Far Right Republican (yet.. I dont think) that the big money is supporting.In a way if Trump got elected he could create the doom of that extremist part of the GOP.He may be so bad he'll be good if you see what I mean!!
 
 
+2 # John Puma 2016-10-26 13:42
To maindrains:

Indeed, HRC's husband presided obediently over the GOP agenda and got impeached for his efforts.

I'll always assume they impeached him to attack her.
 
 
+1 # PCPrincess 2016-10-27 12:46
Exactly. They oppose Democrats, because intellectually- challenged civilians will choose the Republican candidate who says, "I will oppose Democrats" the most times in a sentence.
 
 
-9 # Robbee 2016-10-26 13:23
Quoting markovchhaney:
Why would Republicans be opposing HRC's agenda? After all, she's a Republican. Her agenda will, by and large, be theirs.

- sooner or later "markovchhaney" should be able to figure out that hill is not a Republican - but for "markovchhaney" it would take a miracle
 
 
+5 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 18:26
Quoting markovchhaney:
Why would Republicans be opposing HRC's agenda? After all, she's a Republican. Her agenda will, by and large, be theirs.


They're not opposing her. The whole mainstream Republican party has endorsed her. Cheney, Condaleeza Rice, the Bushes, Rumsfeld, Powell. The whole damned neo-con lot of them.
 
 
+12 # Merlin 2016-10-26 13:00
In an HRC establishment controlled Presidency, Bernie will represent the “loyal opposition.” That means that HRC will do as she chooses and Bernie will loudly and ineffectively complain. The position of “loyal opposition is very acceptable and actually wanted and needed by the PTB in order to foster the illusion that the People’s voice is being heard. (ala GB.)

Without any fantasy “voice” the People will be much more likely to turn toward revolution to be heard. With Bernie and EW etc. acting out their establishment part in the game, nothing changes. The People keep “hoping for change” (sound familiar?) until the next 4 or 8 years passes by.

If HRW was really interested in implementing the “platform” and working with Bernie, EW etc. she would be saying that and making it clear that this is her plan and goal. (However, if she did that she would sound like Jill Stein!) She has NOT done that!

So, in my view, this Bernie thing of holding HRW’s “feet to the fire,” is more of the Kabuki theatre we have been suffering through; just a role in the play. (Play your part well, and you will be well rewarded!)

I am not buying into this rigged Kabuki theatre production!

Go Green and vote Jill Stein!
 
 
-12 # Robbee 2016-10-26 13:32
Quoting Merlin:
In an HRC establishment controlled Presidency, Bernie will represent the “loyal opposition.” That means that HRC will do as she chooses and Bernie will loudly and ineffectively complain. The position of “loyal opposition is very acceptable and actually wanted and needed by the PTB in order to foster the illusion that the People’s voice is being heard. (ala GB.)

Without any fantasy “voice” the People will be much more likely to turn toward revolution to be heard. With Bernie and EW etc. acting out their establishment part in the game, nothing changes. The People keep “hoping for change” (sound familiar?) until the next 4 or 8 years passes by.

If HRW was really interested in implementing the “platform” and working with Bernie, EW etc. she would be saying that and making it clear that this is her plan and goal. (However, if she did that she would sound loike Jill Stein!) She has NOT done that!

So, in my view, this Bernie thing of holding HRW’s “feet to the fire,” is more of the Kabuki theatre we have been suffering through; just a role in the play. (Play your part well, and you will be well rewarded!)

I am not buying into this rigged Kabuki theatre production!

Go Green and vote Jill Stein!

- don't call hill kabuki until you see jillie in a kimono - jillie plays the part too well
 
 
+5 # maindrains 2016-10-26 13:10
I've been reading Jane Mayers"Dark Money" Its interesting to speculate as to whether the millions/billio ns of Koch et al. money is behind Trump or not. I'm sure their money will vote Trump just to ensure the next supreme court justices get nominated by Republicans. Whether or not Clinton gets elected all that money is unlikely to go quiet.. it will find a massive obstinate obstruction campaign just as with Obama. I think Bernie is being naive to think that just the pressure can oppose the torrent of money on the other side.
 
 
+17 # PaineRad 2016-10-26 13:12
Centrist? Sec. Clinton is only a centrist in terms of Beltway back rooms. Out here in the real world, separate from the harangues from party regulars, it's Bernie who is the centrist. He and Elizabeth promote policies that the vast majority of Americans want. Very few of the remaining Congresspeople do that on a regular basis.

Centrist my assphalt! Clinton is considerably to the right of center on just about everything that isn't narrowly defined as women's and children's issues. She is regularly in support of the larger initiatives that would harm women and children -- like BS "trade" agreements that harm air and water quality, ship jobs abroad and destroy the quality of our food as well as her penchant for supporting right-wing despots and coups. Lot of good any of that does for women and children!
 
 
+8 # lorenbliss 2016-10-26 13:13
Sanders' belief he can wrest "progressive" concessions from the war-mongering Goldwater Girl Hillary -- whose fanatically fundamentalist Christian "Angel of Death" persona is revealed via her intent to start World War III -- is the pre-doomsday equivalent of the rich German Jews' fatally deluded belief their wealth would reduce Hitler's antisemitism to mere posturing. The earlier error nearly obliterated the Jewish population of Europe; Sanders' error threatens to exterminate all human life on this planet.
 
 
-3 # Activista 2016-10-26 14:07
Lorenbliss: your repeated paranoia of nuclear war under Clinton is tiresome.
Clinton is a politicians - and the voters matter. Sanders has/will have fundamental influence on her policies as "Bernie Sanders: I'm Going to Make Sure Hillary Clinton Implements Progressive Policies" the article claims.
 
 
+5 # Merlin 2016-10-26 15:29
Activista 2016-10-26 14:07
"Sanders has/will have fundamental influence on her policies"

Pure fantasy. You are living the 2016 version of "Hope and Change."
 
 
+7 # lorenbliss 2016-10-26 18:07
@Activista: what is truly "tiresome" is the (ultimately suicidal) obstructive optimism of your delusions -- and the equally suicidal delusions of everyone else who thinks as you do and therefore will vote Hillary the Angel of Death into position to inflict her intended thermonuclear apocalypse.

Everywhere else on this planet, Hillary's warmongering as regarded as infinitely more dangerous -- and therefore infinitely more terrifying -- than even the near-apocalypse of the Cuban Missile Crisis, which I am old enough to remember vividly.

I was 22 at the time, married, literally only days beyond the active-duty half of a six-year Regular Army enlistment, at the beginning of a full-time job as a daily newspaper reporter and therefore as fully informed as any civilian militarily trained in intelligence analysis (including the use and effects of CBR warfare) could possibly be about what obtained.

Because of where we lived, within the thermonuclear blast radius of Oak Ridge, my wife and I (and everyone else in the area) knew it would be certain death if the crisis escalated into war -- that the best we could hope for was instant vaporization rather than the shrieking agony of death by fire or radiation poisoning.
 
 
+4 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 19:06
Actavista and many of the others making comments seem to have drank the kool-aid, and actually believe that this is a democracy and that their vote actually counts. I remember the Cuban Missile Crisis too. Thank god for Kennedy because the military establishment was all for a nuclear war. They actually put a war plan in front of him claiming that we would be victorious and suffer 'only' 20 million casualties. Unfortunately, he paid the price for thwarting the shadow governments war plans. No President since has had the balls to stand up to them.
 
 
+5 # librarian1984 2016-10-26 20:05
And now Ashton Carter and the State Dept. are determined to do AIPAC's bidding, supporting jihadists and escalating tensions with Russia.

I am shocked at Kerry, who seems totally uninterested in diplomacy.

Since when did Ash Carter decide our foreign policy, and why hasn't Obama fired him?
 
 
+3 # DogSoldier 2016-10-27 11:44
Kerry was never anything but a Democrat, narcissist, ego-maniac version of Trump. Despite his ancient anti-Vietnam war rumblings, Kerry has always sided with establishment and the war party. Don't forget that he voted for Bush's Iraq war too. and unlike Hillary he still stands by his vote.
 
 
+4 # lorenbliss 2016-10-26 20:58
Hillary with her Goldwater Girl arrogance has the same morally imbecilic "USA uber alles" mentality as the generals Kennedy defied.

Remember it was Goldwater, an Air Force reserve major general and thus one of Curtis LeMay's proteges, who wanted to nuke North Vietnam, which would have triggered instant war with the Soviet Union.

Clearly, Hillary has some twisted sense of loyalty to her original ideological role model and is bent on fulfilling his apocalyptic fantasies of global conquest, never mind the USSR is long gone and there is no alleged provocation by today's Russia that even remotely approaches that of the Soviet thermonuclear missiles in Cuba. (Which, by the way, were emplaced in retaliation for US emplacement of anti-Soviet thermonuclear missiles in Turkey.)

Apropos LeMay, without whose patronage Goldwater would never have been made a general, he "argued that the United States should launch 5,000 missiles on the Soviet Union...During the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, LeMay wanted to bomb Cuba." http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10724

Obviously, like LeMay and Goldwater, Hillary believes the US can conquer not only Russia but China as well, never mind the millions who would die as a result. Another belief undoubtedly driving Hillary is that most of humanity is "surplus" -- i.e., not exploitable for profit -- and should thus be exterminated.

Such are the genocidal inputs that form the core of Hillary's apocalyptic ideology.
 
 
+4 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 22:15
You're giving too much credit to Hillary, she didn't dream this plan up. She just bought in to the corporate, military, industrial, security complex. Why? Because that's where the money is.

America = Insane psychopaths permitted to govern a nation of unconscious, brainwashed citizens.
 
 
-8 # carytucker 2016-10-26 20:25
Quoting Activista:
Lorenbliss: your repeated paranoia of nuclear war under Clinton is tiresome.
Clinton is a politicians - and the voters matter. Sanders has/will have fundamental influence on her policies as "Bernie Sanders: I'm Going to Make Sure Hillary Clinton Implements Progressive Policies" the article claims.

Siding here with Activista: Tiresome, fabulist, and quite au courant as it perfectly aligns with the latest of Mr Trump's lunatic rants. I used to enjoy the mini-lectures of the Hate Hillary crowd, as they inveighed against the naive opinions of the callow Senator from Vermont, their erstwhile hero, who somehow lacks the depth of judgment and political acumen they find in themselves. Such glowing self-esteem, such virtue, declining to engage the larger political community because of their evident moral superiority! They'd rather live in the bomb shelter or in the wilderness with the Dr Stein cult-of-the-2 percent. Please go ahead. One week and 6 days till the end of the RSN era of the false prophets. I hope.
 
 
+4 # DogSoldier 2016-10-26 22:17
Even lunatics can be right some of the time
 
 
+1 # fletch1165 2016-10-26 18:14
Did the rich Jews ever care what happened to poor or even the average working class Jews? certainly they hated collectivist Jew's guts. That's why they bastardized and co-opted the modern father of Zionism Theodor Herzl's vision in the first place. Anyone that reads his book, The New Old Country will quickly come to this conclusion.
 
 
+14 # cmp 2016-10-26 13:56
Bernie wasn't invited to the Party. .. He crashed it - in more ways than one. He was never supposed to be a Primary Opponent, and neither was any other legitimate candidate.

On the first day he announced, I said, "We will see just how Powerful the internet really is.." .. And, we found for those subsets of the population who are online, it's real.

It is true, Bernie did not really touch the holy grails of Money in politics, Militarism, or Media. .. I feel that in part, his reason for this was he didn't have enough time to educate the masses. .. He needed to message fast .. And, speak directly to their immediate anxieties.

Bernie, he knows, that no Platform Concessions were made by the Dem Establishment with regards to reforming the rules of THEIR PRIMARY. .. I think that this is a one reason why he is doing what he has to do to keep his presence.. .. In other words, he is grooming for the future with Gabbard, Brown, Merkley, and anyone else from within, who will take his lifetime of experience. .. Because he knows, the 2 Owner Parties will have their new rules, vetting & safe guards in place for their subsequent Primaries to prevent any other uninvited guests from getting their ink, their microphone, and especially, their camera.

As soon as our government was born, the rich, they did what they do - they stole it.
.. And, it's a lifetime fight to just get heard. ..Let alone, get a piece of it back.

TY Bernie!

Support Jill Today! Keep the message going, LOUD!
 
 
+6 # librarian1984 2016-10-26 20:14
I have been wondering who will pick up Bernie's mantle. Chances are he won't run in 2020, so I hope he IS grooming people to carry on his work.

I have been looking at some other sites and have been appalled that just about everyone is on board for Hillary -- no questioning of her rhetoric or actions, no worries about war -- and a LOT of criticism of Jill Stein, really hateful stuff.

I feel the danger is so clear but we are some of the only few who see it.
 
 
+4 # librarian1984 2016-10-26 21:42
Okay I actually saw someone on a news show who was criticizing the activism being practised by 'journalists' on behalf of Clinton -- he was a GOP strategist. That makes sense. We are not getting ANY criticism of HRC from the msm.

He talked about news panels whose GOP members are almost always anti-Trump while Dem panelists are NEVER anti-Clinton. (yeah!) That there will often be a Libertarian on (because they will take votes from Trump) but never any of the millennials or Sanders supporters who don't support Clinton. (yeah!) He talked about skewed polling and nobody publishing stories critical of HRC, that no one questions her suitability based on Libya, Syria, Russia baiting, etc.

It really is bizarro when I have to hear truth from a Republican.

This is what the Clintons do. It's like they have some magical power that gets people to act against their own interests, betray their core principles and accept unquestioningly that they are worth lying, cheating and stealing for. How do they do that? Carrots, sticks, magic potions?

On another show, the Clinton campaign's Bobby Mook was actually questioned about the Clinton operatives starting violence at Trump rallies. He shrugged it off, saying they were NOT working for the DNC or HRC (though the tapes show differently) and that this was just a Trump ploy to hurt Hillary. No followup question.

American journalism is dead.
 
 
+2 # cmp 2016-10-27 09:45
Hey Librarian!
I hope that all is well for you and the family!

I was in NY for a little over six weeks visiting and helping out my parents. .. And, the last few weeks, since I have been back home, I 'am trying to get caught up here. .. I hope to get ahead, so I can head back up there and spend the Holiday's with them.

You know very well, there is the daily talking points they feed us. .. And, then there is the real story. .. A morsel of truth, is now called a "leak" and results in the banishment from society. .. And, spin, which used to be a lie is now the basis of the mainstream industry of communication.

I remember the day that Greenwald broke the revelations of Snowden. The following morning, I jumped out of bed to listen to what NPR had say about it. It was less than 14 hours and the commentator said, "We have been advised this morning to not use the term 'whistleblower, ' because this would imply that some laws may have been broken.."

But, In this era of the Communications Monopolies, it appears that we have 6,000 choices. .. But as you know, it's just 6 Corporations and they are all working off of the same daily approved 'Official Talking Points Memo.'

It's little wonder that on cue every 2 weeks, they seem to be trying to "chill" our 1st amendment with another revelation that they are monitoring our online actions, etc.
 
 
-12 # Robbee 2016-10-26 14:00
bernie never kept it secret that hill is "infinitely better" than rump

some here cannot stand it that bernie is right

bernie and warren created the dem platform and hill's progressive stance

only if voters vote hill - do bernie, warren, 12 million dems and progress count
 
 
+9 # chapdrum 2016-10-26 15:04
Good luck with that, Bernie.
 
 
+8 # futhark 2016-10-26 17:26
Too Late! Too Late! Too Late! My absentee ballot went into the mail today with the presidential vote for Dr. Jill Stein. With a voting record going back to 1972 for George McGovern, I concluded in 2004 that my vote was too valuable to waste on candidates who viewed military expenditures as a way of supporting a robust economy or who viewed military action or the threat thereof as valid means for advancing the economic interests of big corporations.

I thank Senator Sanders for his campaign which brought so many issues into sharper focus. It still seems to me that the best way of sending a signal to Ms. Clinton that a significant percentage of the voters do not like her pandering to Israel and the Military-Indust rial complex is to vote for Dr. Stein.
 
 
+2 # John S. Browne 2016-10-27 07:12
#

Uh huh, "'Burnished-Foo ls-Gold'/'Milit ary-Industrial- Sellout' Sanders", and I've got some great swampland in California to sell you!! LOL!! You're going to hold an extremely-evil, died-in-the-woo l corporate-fasci st's feet to the fire and "make sure ('Hitlery') Clinton implements progressive policies"!! Again, LOL!! Please spare all of us all such very bad jokes!!

More and more you unequivocally prove, starting with your endorsing that extremely evil, mass-murderous snake in the grass after the powers-that-be (PTB) and she stole the election from you, that you are nothing but a complete sellout too, like her, and that you are very likely "controlled 'opposition'" of "al CIAduh(!)"!!

As if it's not bad and evil enough that you supported, and still support, that trillion dollar fighter jet boondoggle!! You make me want to vomit, you completely phony totalitarian socialist wolf in "'utopian' socialism" sheep's clothing!! God, after "Odrona" that so many "Amerikans" are completely fooled by you, as they were by him even though he turned out to be a complete fraud and liar, is the ultimate in "bizarro-ness"!!

Please, you and all of your ilk take all of your globalist collectivist terrorism and totalitarianism in the false and fraudulent guise of "saving the United States, the West and the planet", and shove it all up your keasters!! You and all of your kind are a total disgrace to America, and are in-truth nothing but evil un-American and anti-American traitors!!

#
 
 
0 # Wally Jasper 2016-10-28 08:18
I believe you're wrong about Bernie, John. I don't believe he is a sell-out. He is trying to work within the system to reform the system. Whether this strategy will produce the desired results will remain to be seen. But Bernie has proven himself throughout all his many years of public service to be a courageous and honest servant of the people. I too did not take up his call to throw support behind Clinton; I already early-voted for Jill Stein. But to vilify Bernie for his sincere efforts to reshape American politics in the way he believes is most effective demonstrates an incredible blindness to the abundant good of that man.
 
 
-1 # John S. Browne 2016-10-28 11:18
#

Your response is a typical example of a deranged pathology, with how easily you "liberals" and "conservatives" can ignore extreme evils in your "champions". I cited two MAJOR examples of "'Burnished-Foo ls-Gold' Sander's" extreme evils, and you just slough them off as is they're not more than enough reasons to stop defending and supporting such a hypocrite as Sanders.

It goes to show too what I've been saying, that your kind will keep right on voting for complete fraud "Odronas", "Hitlerys" and Sanders, keep swallowing their fraud "hook, line and s(uc)ker" over and over again, and keep on feeling no responsibility for the evils that they perpetrate while in office, no matter how many innocent people die at their hands.

How many innocent civilians, do you suppose, die or will die as a result of the bombing sorties of that fighter jet that "Burnished-Fool s-Gold" supported and still supports? How many innocent people "have to" die before you wake up and totally stop supporting military-indust rial sellouts in the fraudulent (dis)guise of "'utopian' socialists" or whatever?

(Continued again)
 
 
-1 # John S. Browne 2016-10-28 11:19
#

I have no blindness whatsoever. I completely face the truth without any exception(s) at all, and I'm entirely set free by the truth. I also have the gift of discernment, and I see through all of the fraud(s). Thank God, I didn't vote for "Odrona" either time, having totally seen through his fake persona and promises. What a sham it all was, but most your ilk still don't own your complicity in it to this day, and you probably never will because you live in complete avoidance and denial.

Look at how you and your ilk fell for the vast majority, if not all, of "Odrona's" lies. What's your excuse(s) for not seeing through it? In truth, you don't have any. There's no excuse(s) whatsoever for your willful blindness, and deep avoidance and denial of reality; and now, your responsibility for the death of thousands of more innocent civilians, including children and American citizens, and the further erosion of our human rights and civil liberties, turning the U.S. into a totalitarian militarized corporate-fasci st police state, at "Odrona's" hands.

(Continued below)
 
 
-1 # John S. Browne 2016-10-28 11:20
#

Now you're insanely going to vote for "Hitlery", aren't you? That's a rhetorical question. How much evil do you have to vote for before you wake up and entirely stop doing so, if ever? How many and/or much more buckets of blood, maiming and displacement of millions of innocent human beings before you completely cease having ANYMORE responsibility for ANY MORE of that on your hands by supporting those who perpetrate it, if ever? When will you stop falling for and being fully fooled by frauds like "Hitlery", "'Burnished-Foo ls-Gold' Sanders" and "Odrona" (etc.?), if ever?

I'm so tired of all you fantasists and lunatics. Your delusions and extreme complicity makes me sick. You deny, and deny, and deny, and deny; and it never stops. You keep on being party to foisting evil frauds, and the evils they perpetrate, on us again and again and again, and it also never ends. Pull the veil entirely from your eyes, stop avoiding and denying, totally face what is really going on, be completely set free by the truth, and fully stand against all the fraud(s) and all of the evils that they commit. No more excuses. No more rationalizing. No more denying complicity when you were complicit. No more avoiding taking responsibility for the evils those you vote(d) for perpetrate(d).

#
 
 
+2 # newell 2016-10-27 08:24
"He is in line to take over the chairmanship of one of the Senate’s major committees if Democrats regain control of the chamber, but aides to some of the senators he said are working with him suggested that less of a coordinated effort is underway."

Then Progressive Citizens will make sure those senators implement OUR platform and more. If necessary, we will fill the streets.
 

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