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Escritt writes: "Dutch prosecutors have opened an investigation into the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH-17 on suspicion of murder, war crimes and intentionally downing an airliner, a spokesman said on Monday."

A pro-Russia rebel guards a train containing the bodies of victims of the MH17 crash in Torez. (photo: Getty Images)
A pro-Russia rebel guards a train containing the bodies of victims of the MH17 crash in Torez. (photo: Getty Images)


Netherlands Opens War Crimes Investigation Into MH17

By Thomas Escritt, Reuters

21 July 14

 

utch prosecutors have opened an investigation into the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH-17 on suspicion of murder, war crimes and intentionally downing an airliner, a spokesman said on Monday. Based on the Law on International Crimes, the Netherlands can prosecute any individual who committed a war crime against a Dutch citizen. The 298 people who were killed when the plane was downed over Ukraine included 193 Dutch citizens.

The spokesman said that a Dutch public prosecutor was in Ukraine as part of the investigation.

The Dutch prime minister meanwhile threatened tough action against Russia if it did not do more to help.

Western governments have pointed the finger of blame at pro-Russian rebels and at Moscow itself over the downing of the plane. Russia has denied involvement and blamed the Ukrainian military for the disaster.

"It is clear that Russia must use her influence on the separatists to improve the situation on the ground," Prime Minister Mark Rutte told a committee of the Dutch parliament.

"If in the coming days access to the disaster area remains inadequate, then all political, economic and financial options are on the table against those who are directly or indirectly responsible for that," he said.

His comments reflected a change in tone from previous days, when he had stressed the importance of ascertaining the facts of the crash before considering a response.

Rutte on Monday promised lawmakers "measures would not be lacking" if it was confirmed who was responsible for bringing down the airliner.

Rutte's remarks followed days of mounting pressure calling on the government to take a harder line against Russia.

"In the Netherlands we are inclined to approach our opponents in a fair and socially acceptable way in hope that opponents will respond in kind," said Dick Berlijn, a former head of the Dutch armed forces who has been outspoken in calling for a tougher approach.

"What we have seen, especially with the Russian administration is this didn't impact at all, they saw this as a weakness," he said in an interview with Reuters.

Russia, is the Netherlands' second-largest oil supplier and a major export destination for Dutch manufacturers. But growing consternation over the fate of flight MH-17 and its passengers may be forcing the government into taking a harder line.

On Monday afternoon, relatives of some of the passengers who lost their lives met Rutte alongside the Dutch King and Queen to be briefed on efforts to recover their bodies and to allow them to give their views on what sort of a memorial service should be held.


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+8 # RMDC 2014-07-21 15:16
This Dutch prosecutor better watch out. Any decent investigation is not likely to find the Russians or Ukrainian resistors guilty. It is much more likely that the Kiev nazis run by Poroschenko and Yatsenyuk to be the planners and executors of the shootdown. What will the Dutch prosecutor do then? He will have to indict Poroschenko or someone high in his government and by extension indict the Obama regime.

My guess is that this line of attack on Russia will disappear when some facts start coming out. Charges of war crimes are just a very typical and frequent way that Euro/American colonialists wage their wars. They charged all of their enemies with war crimes, but never their friends. Why isn't this Dutch prosecutor charging Netanyahoo with war crimes? It is obvious. He supports Netanyahoo.

So far the evidence given by the US regime to mass media around the world has turned out to be faked. this is a pretty good sign that the US is behind this shootdown. It had video ready to give out in a moment's notice.
 
 
+11 # nice2bgreat 2014-07-21 21:18
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While the (US backed ... coup) "Kiev nazis" have dirty hands and MAY be guilty of shooting down MH-17, it is unclear at this time who is responsible.

There are indications that Ukrainian separatists, possibly drunk, mistook the civilian airliner as a Ukrainian military transport plane. It is unlikely that whoever shot it down was specifically targeting a civilian airliner. This is more likely a grievous mistake in a war zone by poorly trained, overly zealous and irresponsible make-shift troops who have no business with such weapons.

Some responsibility, while not directly, falls upon the entity that determined the airline's flight-path through that airspace. While a straight line may be the preferred route, weather conditions, war, etc., require changes in flight-path.

Considering that the US has been either directly and/or indirectly involved with fabrication of evidence, staging of deadly incidents specifically intended to gain US military action, it is entirely appropriate to raise false-flag as a possibility, if only to highlight the lack of US credibility and its willingness to exploit tragedy.

For example, the deadly sarin gas attack in Syria carried out by Al Nusra Front and rebel factions was committed specifically to give the impression that the Assad government committed the act; all to then gain pretext for active US military involvement against Syria, which if not for clear evidence implicating the rebel forces, US participation was certain.
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+5 # Saberoff 2014-07-21 22:17
There are suggestions around now the separatists do not have capable weaponry for it.
 
 
+12 # soularddave 2014-07-21 22:37
suggestions and speculation is what the mainstream media consists of these days. Somebody fired a damn high powered rocket. I bet there are more than a few who know exactly WHO activated the weapon, and even more who know where that weapon came from. Under any reasonable system, it will take time to piece together the whole episode.

I can wait until they get it right. Only then can justice prevail. I can't imagine what that justice might consist of, though. How can a tragedy be avenged?
 
 
+6 # nice2bgreat 2014-07-21 23:03
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Where the weapons came from has no meaning. The coup d' etat Ukrainian government has many Russian-made weapons, including the ones suspected of being used in the attack against MH-17.
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+4 # Radscal 2014-07-21 23:07
"...For example, the deadly sarin gas attack in Syria carried out by Al Nusra Front and rebel factions was committed specifically to give the impression of that the Assad government committed the act;"

Yes. If this horrible loss of life was a "false flag" operation, it could be because the coup government has been begging the U.S. for more aid, both financial and especially military ever since it became obvious that the Ukrainian resistance was proving more difficult to quash than apparently was expected.

Certainly, the sense I get from the public is a much greater interest in Ukraine, and anger at Russia/Putin, which would make it easier for the US to escalate the situation.
 
 
+14 # Kwelinyingi 2014-07-21 16:56
This sort of selective investigations into war crimes is what recently prompted the African Union to set up court to rival the ICC. As one African diplomat put it, "No action has been taken on Syria, Sri Lanka or the invasion of Iraq, yet African leaders are the ones who have to get lawyers. What we're dealing with here isn't justice, it's bias". http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/657792-african-union-to-set-up-court-to-rival-icc.html. The diplomat could have added Libya, Afghanistan, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Grenada, Panama, Nicaragua, Israel, etc. Western countries led by the US cannot continue to fabricate language to sugar coat their own crimes against humanity. And on a cumulative basis, worse crimes than African ones, no less. While Western countries want to remain above the law and continue committing or abetting crimes against humanity, other "inferior" nations are supposed to simply lie down and play dead. Equality and justice before the law with no exceptions. Only then can finger pointing begin.
 
 
+6 # RMDC 2014-07-21 17:50
"His comments reflected a change in tone from previous days, when he had stressed the importance of ascertaining the facts of the crash before considering a response."

This is easy. He had not yet received his orders from the CIA. Now he's fully on board with accusing Russia before there are any facts at all.

First Sweden agreed to play the sucker in the ploy to abduct Assange. Now the Netherlands is doing it to build up a new cold war against Russia. These Europeans are such fucking cowards. I guess the US has all of them by the balls.
 
 
+3 # tingletlc 2014-07-21 23:00
You consistently provide analysis unsupported by any solid evidence I've yet seen. I envy you your sources.
 
 
+4 # Salus Populi 2014-07-22 01:37
There are two excellent independent pieces: one by Robert Parry who quotes a CIA source who h as been accurate in the past and who says it was the Ukraine government [at Consortium News]; the other by Wayne Madsen, at a site called Libya 360, which goes into great detail and names names, as well as pointing out the absurdity of the U.S.'s refusing to release its satellite and radar data -- it was carrying out naval war games in the Black Sea at the same time as the Malaysian aircraft was shot down, and its satellites, which are second to none, have maintained a 24/7 surveillance of the border area between Ukraine and Russia, including the area where the shoot down took place, for months. He also notes connections between some of the players in the Ukraine right wing and criminal classes and Israel, which chose the day of the shoot down to launch its ground invasion of Gaza -- while the shoot down handily turned the global media's attention to eastern Europe rather than the "world's largest open air prison camp" in which the IDF was "pin pointing" families at the opposite end of Gaza from the alleged tunnels.

Both well worth a perusal; the first is at "http://consort iumnews.com/201 4/07/20/what-di d-us-spy-satell ites-see-in-ukr aine/", and the second at "http://libya36 0.wordpress.com /2014/07/20/mh- 17-and-nato-exc ercise-breeze-2 014/".
 
 
0 # keenon the truth 2014-07-22 07:22
Having trouble accessing both
 
 
0 # RMDC 2014-07-22 07:48
Keenon -- take out the spaces in the string where the line breaks. it will work.
 
 
0 # RMDC 2014-07-22 07:57
Thanks. These are good resources. No one is talking about the NATO war games in the Black Sea. It is more than very likely that US navy ships monitored everything in the sky over Ukraine for the 10 days of the war games. This means they know exactly what was going on with the Malaysian Flight.
 
 
+2 # RMDC 2014-07-22 08:29
tingletlc -- OK. I'll provide links. That would be helpful. Sometimes my comments just express a frustration with the article, as in this case. Why would the Dutch prosecutor one day be saying we need to wait for the facts before we start executing some suspects. And then he changes and says we need to respond with " threatened tough action against Russia" even though there are no facts in. Clearly this prosecutor has some agenda for changing his mind. I'm just frustrated with the Reuters author who did not bother to ask the Dutch prosecutor why this absurd change of mind. Shouldn't a prosecutor know that you don't go to the sentencing before all the facts are presented?
 
 
0 # Radscal 2014-07-21 23:19
"I guess the US has all of them by the balls"

Yep. Can you say IMF?
 
 
0 # geraldom 2014-07-22 00:26
RMDC, the following article came out today concerning Ron Paul:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ron-paul-defends-russia-malaysian-151731466.html

I'm getting to like Ron Paul. His opinion as expressed in this article concerning what has happened in Ukraine since last year is right on. He kind of spoils it a little bit at the very end of the article as you will see if you read it.
 
 
+1 # RMDC 2014-07-22 07:45
geraldom -- thanks. Ron Paul always is good on foreign policy. I like him for that. I guess he has seen enough of the inside to know when the US regime is lying, so he looks elesewhere. And he is just honest on things like the US destabilization and regime campaign in Ukraine.
 
 
+9 # Mainiac 2014-07-21 22:08
This news service betrays its bias when it consistently uses the term “pro-Russian” in describing the East Ukrainians. A more accurate description is “Russian-speaki ng.” It was the puppet regime’s decision to ban the Russian language and talk of “ethnic cleansing” by the neo-Nazis that caused the protests to begin in the East.
 
 
+6 # Radscal 2014-07-22 00:39
Yeah. I used to think Reuters was the more objective news service, but not so much anymore. And this is especially troubling as fewer and fewer newspapers/maga zines/networks have foreign news bureaus anymore, so are more likely to just publish whatever Reuters or AP says.
 
 
+3 # polfrosch 2014-07-22 07:57
Lusitania, Pearl Harbour (probably), Northwoods, Tonkin, incubator babies, 911 (probably), WMD, sarin -

"MIHOP make it happen on purpose", false accusations and "LIHOP let it happen on purpose" as a pretext to start a war are so regular and commonplace I have no confidence in any mainstream media reports about heinous attacks committed by enemies of US interests.

If the reports indicate an urgency to take military action my suspicion rate hits 100%.

The situation regarding the media as watchdogs of the powerful was not satisfactory when I was young and got worse ever since. Now it is abysmal - the mainstream media have degenerated to a propaganda tool - partisan reporting -dem/rep- and entertainment.

The only comment from the MSM after another just another flag waiving total failure will be "Oops, we did it again. We`re sorry. How many people have died, you say? Several hunderthousand? Gee, that´s bad. And now for something completeley different. Breaking news - a jet has been shot down in Ukraine!!"

10 more years of journalism like this and all words will stink.

So what does that tell us about the state of the states we live in?

RSN is an alternative, that´s why I support it. But it´s not enough.

Those who post here in critical spirit are probably already tagged by the NSA.
 

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