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Excerpt: "There's not much point in staging a coup if you don't influence who is placed in power in the aftermath."

Petro Poroshenko. (photo: www.kmu.gov.ua)
Petro Poroshenko. (photo: www.kmu.gov.ua)


Wikileaks Cables Confirm New Ukrainian President Has Been Working For US Gov't Since 2006

By SCG News

19 June 14

 

here's not much point in staging a coup if you don't influence who is placed in power in the aftermath. Of course in order for a puppet government to be effective, they can't be perceived as such. You wouldn't want the natives to get restless would you?

The evidence that the U.S. was behind the toppling of the Ukrainian government early this year is so overwhelming at this point that the subject really isn't up for debate, however initially it was unclear how the election of Petro Poroshenko fit in. The ecstatic response by Washington when he was declared the winner, and their unbending support in spite of his ongoing military assault against civilians in the east, made it clear that he was the chosen one, but the paper trail wasn't immediately obvious.

As it turns out, the evidence that Poroshenko is in the pocket of the U.S. State Department has been available all this time, you just had to know where to find it. In a classified diplomatic cable from 2006 released by Wikileaks.org, U.S. officials refer to Poroshenko as "Our Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko".

A separate cable also released by Wikileaks makes it clear that the U.S. government was considered Poroshenko corrupt.

"Poroshenko was tainted by credible corruption allegations, but wielded significant influence within OU; Poroshenko's price had to be paid."

The U.S. government knew Poroshenko was dirty, but he was influential, and arguably their most dependable mole.

Perhaps the most interesting revelation comes from a 2009 cable where Poroshenko told then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton he supported "the opening of a U.S. diplomatic presence in Crimea" and "He emphasized the importance of Crimea, and said that having U.S. representation there would be useful for Ukraine." Poroshenko's role as an informant for the U.S. government continued in cables in 2010 as well.

Reading through the cables, I have to wonder if Poroshenko was actually breaking Ukrainian law by sharing the kind of strategic information that he did. Considering that this information was certainly used when planning the coup against Yanukovich, one could argue that he committed treason.

Poroshenko, however, isn't the only Ukrainian politician mentioned. For example, the cables mention the scandal surrounding Oleksandr Turchynov's destruction of SBU documents tying Julia Tymoshenko to organized crime, and note that the accusation that Tymoshenko wanted Turchynov get the Interior Minister position so that she could gather damaging information on her enemies. The cable refers to this accusation as "not farfetched". Turchynov went on to be installed as the acting president of Ukraine in the provisional government.

In order to grasp the extent of the U.S. government's tinkering in Ukraine it is worth reading the documents for yourself.

 

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+13 # Radscal 2014-06-19 22:06
"OU" Our Ukraine. That pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

This was interesting:
After speaking with Tymoshenko, it was clear that she "did not trust" OU, Poroshenko said.

This makes sense if she is a true, fascist nationalist, and would explain why she was so poorly received at the Maidan and left out of the coup government.

Since February, I've wondered if the U.S./IMF couldn't control the far right. It appears the far right is being coddled with those 4 or 5 ministries, but just like Bandera and the Nazis, the shared goals may be overshadowed by the nationalism.
 
 
+33 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-19 22:54
This Wiki-leaks is a game changer. The USA speeded up Maidan paramilitary snipers etc exactly when Russia & China created a Euro-Asian oil currency to displace USD trades. When Hussein created Euro based oil trades, the USA invaded within weeks. When Gaddafi created African Dinar oil currency, the USA invaded within weeks. Venezuela is trying to move from USD & perhaps will choose Euro-Asian currency, however US, Canadian, Israel & NATO destabilization / invasion is all ready underway & guaranteed.

The USA chose violence through Svoboda & Right-Sektor even though there was an election scheduled by the democratically elected Yanukovych within months. The USA didn't believe their Ukrainian puppets could win in a fair election & so expedited the violence. Svoboda & Right-Sektor earned less than 4% of the fixed Ukraine vote. When we look at the Ukraine fixed election results without all parties represented, without free-choice, US moneys pouring in for media control & with a fixed process such poor voter turnout can be understood.

This new Wikileaks will have lots to say about many things. Humanity needs full open 'debates' (French 'de' = 'undo' + 'bate' = 'the-fight') with both-sided, equal-time, recorded & published dialogues distributed widely in populations & worldwide in every aspect of our business, institution, education, politics & government. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues
 
 
-3 # tingletlc 2014-06-19 23:43
["OU" Our Ukraine. That pretty much says it all, doesn't it?]

On the contrary, it says nothing. "Our Ukraine" is a political party, not an adjective phrase denoting an individual client of the Department of State — although the SCG writer seems to want you to understand it that way.

[In order to grasp the extent of the U.S. government's tinkering in Ukraine it is worth reading the documents for yourself.]

I did, and I came up with a pretty innocuous interpretation. Poroshenko's politics suited State, which made him a useful and sympathetic insider. I see no hint of conspiracy, absent a lot of evidence-free interpolation between then and now.

Wikileaks is a boon to transparency, but you still have to read for sense.
 
 
-7 # stannadel 2014-06-20 03:19
Excellent analysis, the SCG conspiracy mongering just muddied the already turbid waters.
 
 
+15 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-20 09:13
tingletic "no hint of conspiracy". You forget that Ukraine was a democratic independent state with sovereign rights with an elected President Yanukovych & a scheduled election at that time. Victoria Nuland boast about investing 5 billion dollars through the so-called 'National-Endow ment-for-Democr acy' to choose both interim puppet Turchynov & Poroshenko as leaders. She is recorded as saying "Fuck" to the EURO union choices. We know that USA funded, armed & trained the Maidan paramilitary snipers shooting from the Maidan controlled building. This is what is called violent interference, espionage, destabilization into a sovereign nations affairs & conspiracy for murder in any court of international or national law. NAZI glorifying Svoboda & Right-Sektor which the USA financed, trained & armed received less than 4 % of the rigged election votes, hardly the massive popular uprising which Western Corporate media suggested.

Do you see "no conspiracy" because this violent interference into 'life-liberty & pursuit of happiness' is somehow 'normal' for you? Is your "sense" apart from all standards of human & national dignity? Are you aligned with your own illegal nation's overthrow of sovereign 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generatin g') 1st Nations?

It is time for Amerika, Kanata, Israehell, NATO & other illegal colonial extractive, exploitive entities to learn again about their original Great good way of kindness. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/2-mutual-aid
 
 
-5 # tingletlc 2014-06-20 14:47
[tingletic "no hint of conspiracy". You forget that Ukraine was a democratic independent state with sovereign rights with an elected President Yanukovych & a scheduled election at that time.]

Wrong. I forget none of that. I've merely said that I found no supporting evidence in the Wikileaks documents.

[Victoria Nuland boast about investing 5 billion dollars through the so-called 'National-Endow ment-for-Democr acy' to choose both interim puppet Turchynov & Poroshenko as leaders.]

Standard back-channel statecraft, I'd say — although five billion seems a bit rich.

[She is recorded as saying "Fuck" to the EURO union choices.]

Standard back-channel again, where Anglo-Saxon is a recognized diplomatic language.

[We know that USA funded, armed & trained the Maidan paramilitary snipers shooting from the Maidan controlled building.]

Do we know that? I've read it, but have never seen uncontroverted evidence.

[This is what is called interference, espionage, destabilization into a sovereign nations affairs & conspiracy for murder in any court of international or national law.]

If true, I won't argue.

[NAZI glorifying Svoboda & Right-Sektor which the USA financed, trained & armed received less than 4 % of the rigged election votes, hardly the massive popular uprising which Western Corporate media suggested.]

more>
 
 
-2 # tingletlc 2014-06-20 14:50
[NAZI glorifying Svoboda & Right-Sektor which the USA financed, trained & armed received less than 4 % of the rigged election votes, hardly the massive popular uprising which Western Corporate media suggested.]

Right. Leaving aside the claim of Western arming, for which I haven't seen evidence, my many hours of watching the Maidan live stream in January and February, although hampered by the fact that I speak and read no Ukrainian, gave me the very strong impression that I was watching a popular uprising, with Ukrainian national flags far outnumbering Svoboda and Right-Sektor. That the rightists polled less than 4 percent ("rigged"? — not sure I get your point) tends to support my impression.

[Do you see "no conspiracy" because this violent interference into 'life-liberty & pursuit of happiness' is somehow 'normal' for you? Is your "sense" apart from all standards of human & national dignity? Are you aligned with your own illegal nation's overthrow of sovereign 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generatin g') 1st Nations?]

more>
 
 
-1 # tingletlc 2014-06-20 14:51
None of the above. I simply saw no evidence of conspiracy in the documents. I'm well aware that my Government is a swamp of criminality. I live here and I read the news.

[It is time for Amerika, Kanata, Israehell, NATO & other illegal colonial extractive, exploitive entities to learn again about their original Great good way of kindness. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/2-mutual-aid]

To the extent that you're not laboring under the delusion that it wasn't always thus, I agree with you. Human nature is in dire need of a makeover.
 
 
+3 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-20 19:06
tingletic, "I simply saw no evidence" (Latin evidentem nominative evidens "perceptible, clear, obvious, apparent", present participle of videre "to see" (see vision).) Here are a couple e-links which document a number of the questions which you raise. Do we agree that?:
1) We aren't able to establish absolute 'proof' from this website exchange but we can begin to put together evidences (pieces) of patterns in a MSM corporate news vacuum which is falsely indoctrinating us & whole populations to believe strategic falsehoods. RSN & other alternative media sources offer those of us who are willing to read, study & research is pieces which eventually fit together in whole patterns.
2) articles such as found on RSN as well as fellow readers in the comment section can offer us pieces of the puzzle, glimpses & resources to search further.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/22758-meet-the-americans-who-put-together-the-coup-in-kiev

Ukraine: The Danger of False Narrative 27Mar’14 Consortium News by Robert Parry
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/03/27-5

Investigation Finds Former Ukraine President Not Responsible For Sniper Attack on Protestors, TheRealNews.com
Michael Hudson: A German TV investigation disproves the West's claim that Yanukovych was responsible for killing of dozens of Ukrainian protestors, making this President Obama's WMD moment - 17Apr'14 http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11730
 
 
-2 # tingletlc 2014-06-20 23:39
I understand English very well, Latin etymology and all. I also understand that constructs based on patterns of evidence can be all wrong. Think of Ptolemy and his epicycles. Nor am I asking for absolute proof of anything: I just object to conclusions drawn on the basis of incomplete or controverted evidence. That is my whole, narrow point. I have neither the time nor the expertise to vet the particulars of this case.
 
 
+4 # Radscal 2014-06-20 13:48
"... it is worth reading the documents for yourself."

But aren't you impressed with my ability to quote the cable without even reading it?

BTW: You apparently missed that my whole post was about the internal Ukrainian nationalist movement, and the possibility that the US/IMF might not be able to control it.
 
 
+1 # tingletlc 2014-06-20 23:04
["... it is worth reading the documents for yourself."

But aren't you impressed with my ability to quote the cable without even reading it?]

You've quoted me quoting the SCG article, which was not addressed to you. I never supposed you hadn't done the reading.

[BTW: You apparently missed that my whole post was about the internal Ukrainian nationalist movement, and the possibility that the US/IMF might not be able to control it.]

No, I got that. The only feature of your post that I addressed was your seeming endorsement of SCG's innuendo in saying "U.S. officials refer to Poroshenko as 'Our Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko'." Everybody refers to him as that, because that's a plain description of who he is and was.
 
 
+25 # NOMINAE 2014-06-20 04:06
Wikileaks releases and Snowden disclosures - the gifts that just keep on giving !
 
 
+1 # jojo5056 2014-06-20 07:52
Real sad part--"Wikileak s releases and Snowden disclosures" not one line pointing out USA/Israel orchestrated WTC Pentagon Sept 11 2001 bombing attacks. If they did,they be dead like Hasting.
 
 
+8 # RMDC 2014-06-20 06:51
"There's not much point in staging a coup if you don't influence who is placed in power in the aftermath. Of course in order for a puppet government to be effective, they can't be perceived as such."

This is the correct statement of the theory of US foreign policy. It is what the CIA was created to do. It would be interesting to go around the world to see just how many political leaders are in fact US puppets. My guess is about half. In Eastern Europe or former USSR, I'd say the number is close to 90%. Certainly Yeltsin and Gorbachev were US puppets and had been bribed somewhere along the way.

While the US gets away with this sort of betrayal of democracy and the laws of sovereignty in most cases, it appears that it won't in Ukraine. Putin knows what is happening and so do the Russian speakers of Ukraine. The civil war won't end. Either Ukraine will break up or the Poroshenko faction will be pushed out.
 
 
+8 # jojo5056 2014-06-20 08:01
Missed out--PM Canada's Harper Seal. Every time USA declares a invasion-- sidekick Conservative (past/present) governments are always ready to give military support.
You wonder why Canada/NATO/EU just does not join as combined states, US of Israel.
 
 
+9 # RMDC 2014-06-20 08:21
Yes, no doubt Harper in Canada is a US puppet. the US intervened in the elections to get him elected. Same in Australis. The CIA ran a huge program in Europe -- Operation Glaudio -- from the end of WW II up to now to control, rig, and manipulate the electoral process.

The BRICS nations are pretty much independent of the US puppet regimes. That is why they are hated so much by the west. But the fact is that the combined GDP of the BRICS is greater than the GDP of the US and Europe. And their population is about 4 time larger and Europe and the US. The BRICS are the future. US/EU is the past. The west is dying. I say, let it go.

Too bad we don't have euthenasia for empires. But I guess they euthenize themselves and the US is doing a pretty efficient job of that right now.
 
 
+6 # larry motuz 2014-06-20 09:48
To: #RMDC

Frankly, Harper supports the U.S.A. largely because he is an ideologically blinded, socially conservative, somewhat extreme cheerleader trying to construct in Canada the same kind of polarized and highly racist politics that prevails in the United States. "Puppets" need to be bought. Harper never needed to be bought to act like a puppet.

This doesn't mean that U.S. monies (largely from the plutocracy) haven't entered into Canada's politics. No doubt they have in a variety of ways, mostly 'masqueraded' through partisan 'think-tanks' posing as giving some 'thought' to political issues (while spouting nonsense), but actually activated mostly by greed and unbridled self-interest.

I probably think less of Mr. Harper and his egomaniacal 'Harper Government' than you
 
 
+4 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-20 10:42
Larry, As a Canadian politically involved in a number of parties, I characterize prime-minister Stephen Harper's alignment with the US Empire more in terms of his being groomed for the post. Grooming starts early through family connections, cottages, luxury recreation associations & a certain pliability of character which the young person/shill offers. Puppets are culturally groomed with huge expenditure of money, posts & jobs offered etc. The process is 'behaviour-modi fication' whereby expensive positive-reinfo rcement is provided for compliance right from youth, over a period of often decades.

When you say "Harper never needed to be bought . . ." you may be thinking more about immediate monetary transactions rather than monetized professional, familial & social relations. In order to create a sustainable peaceful abundant future for our children & all future generations & in the process stop from destroying the planet, we all need to move from our present colonial institutions to a culture of relations & life in mutual-aid. The reason Europeans came as economic-ecolog ical refugees to the Americas was because of the dysfunction which we created there. 1st Nations welcomed clothed, housed & fed us during our 1st few years as well as inviting us to immigrate formally to their communities, nations, confederacy & continental governance. In fear of our own tyrants we renege, abuse, kill & destroy. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/indigenous-circle-of-life
 
 
0 # bobaka 2014-06-22 11:17
Denial:this is a very complicated stress disorder.Can a person dwell long on the idea that the individual he has been taught and forced to love wants to murder him?No. That is the nature of the disorder:you transform the rape into love.
 
 
0 # iva 2014-06-23 11:03
I've debunked this article here:
http://blog.uvm.edu/aivakhiv-ukrtaz/2014/06/23/western-leftist-conspiracy-narratives-or-the-devil-in-the-details/

Why are so many leftists so eager to put their noggins to sleep when the right buttons are pushed ("evil U.S. behind X," etc.). It discredits the rest of us. C'mon, people, think a little.
 

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