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Excerpt: "Bill Binney is the high-level NSA executive who created the agency's mass surveillance program for digital information."

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Former Top NSA Official: "We Are Now in a Police State"

By Washington's Blog

18 March 14

 

ill Binney is the high-level NSA executive who created the agency’s mass surveillance program for digital information. A 32-year NSA veteran widely regarded as a “legend” within the agency, Binney was the senior technical director within the agency and managed thousands of NSA employees.

Binney has been interviewed by virtually all of the mainstream media, including CBS, ABC, CNN, New York Times, USA Today, Fox News, PBS and many others.

Last year, Binney held his thumb and forefinger close together, and said:

We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state.

But today, Binney told Washington’s Blog that the U.S. has already become a police state.

By way of background, the government is spying on virtually everything we do.

All of the information gained by the NSA through spying is then shared with federal, state and local agencies, and they are using that information to prosecute petty crimes such as drugs and taxes. The agencies are instructed to intentionally “launder” the information gained through spying, i.e. to pretend that they got the information in a more legitimate way … and to hide that from defense attorneys and judges.

This is a bigger deal than you may realize, as legal experts say that there are so many federal and state laws in the United States, that no one can keep track of them all … and everyone violates laws every day without even knowing it.

The NSA also ships Americans’ most confidential, sensitive information to foreign countries like Israel (and here), the UK and other countries … so they can “unmask” the information and give it back to the NSA … or use it for their own purposes.

Binney told us today:

The main use of the collection from these [NSA spying] programs [is] for law enforcement. [See the 2 slides below].

These slides give the policy of the DOJ/FBI/DEA etc. on how to use the NSA data. In fact, they instruct that none of the NSA data is referred to in courts – cause it has been acquired without a warrant.

So, they have to do a “Parallel Construction” and not tell the courts or prosecution or defense the original data used to arrest people. This I call: a “planned programed perjury policy” directed by US law enforcement.

And, as the last line on one slide says, this also applies to “Foreign Counterparts.”

This is a total corruption of the justice system not only in our country but around the world. The source of the info is at the bottom of each slide. This is a totalitarian process – means we are now in a police state.

Here are the two slides which Binney pointed us to:


(Source: Reuters via RT; SOD stands for “Special Operations Division,” a branch of a federal government agency.)

We asked Binney a follow-up question:

You say “this also applies to ‘Foreign Counterparts.’” Does that mean that foreign agencies can also “launder” the info gained from NSA spying? Or that data gained through foreign agencies’ spying can be “laundered” and used by U.S. agencies?

Binney responded:

For countries like the five eyes (US, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) and probably some others it probably works both ways. But for others that have relationships with FBI or DEA etc., they probably are given the data to used to arrest people but are not told the source or given copies of the data.

(See this for background on the five eyes.)

 

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+140 # Agricanto 2014-03-18 16:47
Hitler was once asked "what is the purpose of law in a fascist state?" Hitler replied that the purpose of law in a fascist state was to have so many of them that anyone, no matter how loyal to the Fürher, would have to violate one in order to comply with another. This made all citizens arrestable at any time.
 
 
+18 # WestWinds 2014-03-19 02:06
Quoting Agricanto:
Hitler was once asked "what is the purpose of law in a fascist state?" Hitler replied that the purpose of law in a fascist state was to have so many of them that anyone, no matter how loyal to the Fürher, would have to violate one in order to comply with another. This made all citizens arrestable at any time.


--- This is another reason "states' rights" doesn't work. You can't have 50 states, each with their own take on the law and not run into trouble at some point. This is why federal law needs to act as a governor and it also gives citizens a place to go when the state is so corrupt the consumer can't get any justice. All of this has been trashed under these NeoCons, and I can't help but wonder if we will ever get it back again. It's like Humpty Dumpty... just too many broken pieces.
 
 
+11 # ishmael 2014-03-19 02:53
Layers of law---> more confusion. A grand failing experiment.

Highest incarceration rate on the planet.

Maybe if people were more concerned with what the federal level is doing rather than their own little state this state of affairs might not happen.
 
 
+127 # curmudgeon 2014-03-18 16:51
Is anyone else beginning to think that the Nazis did not NOT lose WWII...only Germany?

And that the United States of Amerika has morphed into the 4th Reich?
 
 
+45 # JSRaleigh 2014-03-18 20:41
Quoting curmudgeon:
Is anyone else beginning to think that the Nazis did not NOT lose WWII...only Germany?

And that the United States of Amerika has morphed into the 4th Reich?


I don't think there's really a word that describes it, not like oligarchy or kleptocracy.

There's no "Führer", no "leader" ... it's bureaucratic fascism; totalitarianism without the "strongman" fronting it.
 
 
+26 # babaregi 2014-03-18 21:27
Quoting JSRaleigh:
Quoting curmudgeon:
Is anyone else beginning to think that the Nazis did not NOT lose WWII...only Germany?

And that the United States of Amerika has morphed into the 4th Reich?



I don't think there's really a word that describes it, not like oligarchy or kleptocracy.

There's no "Führer", no "leader" ... it's bureaucratic fascism; totalitarianism without the "strongman" fronting it.


Sheldon Wolin coined a word for it:

Inverted Totalitarianism.

Chris Hedges talks about it.
 
 
+18 # WestWinds 2014-03-19 02:09
Quoting JSRaleigh:
There's no "Führer", no "leader" ... it's bureaucratic fascism; totalitarianism without the "strongman" fronting it.

--- The strong men are the Koch brothers and the like behind the green velvet curtains pulling all the levers and making all the smoke and noise.
 
 
+14 # John S. Browne 2014-03-19 02:48
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On the contrary, Hitler was really just a figurehead, just as "Fourth Reich", "al CIAduh(!)" corporate-fasci sts like "Odrona" are figureheads. They are all "strongmen" in the sense that they have the global shadow government strongmen behind them telling them what to do and say, and what not to do and say. Do you think that Hitler didn't have international advisers, the same global shadow government advisers that we have today controlling the ship of state? Sure, the figureheads are allowed some leeway to act on their own, but only within the confines of the global shadow government's plans. Hitler was created and controlled by outsides forces, otherwise he could not have gained power, and completely transformed a free society into a totalitarian militarized police state, as he did. He was a "Manchurian(ize d)" figurehead, as the figureheads of today like "Odrona" are "Manchurianized ". They are the completely brainwashed and controlled frontmen for the global corporate-fasci st shadow government, who all want to turn the whole of the U.S. and the entire world into a totalitarian militarized police state.

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+57 # brux 2014-03-18 17:20
The operative word here is "turnkey".

Does everyone really know what that means?

Def: A turnkey or a turnkey project (also spelled turn-key) is a type of project that is constructed so that it could be sold to any buyer as a completed product.

Meaning custom designed for the aristocratic elite we have been let fester all over this world. Things are just bad and getting worse.
 
 
+1 # Buddha 2014-03-19 10:57
I think the point is that we truly AREN'T a Police State...yet. After all, in a true Police State, all of us participating in a forum like this would quickly disappear into a dark hole never to be seen again. But we are certainly creating the TOOLS for a prospective Police State, a "turnkey" project just waiting for someone to grab and use for their power. I am guessing this is the Oligarchs, who see the unsustainable income/wealth disparities they created likely to continue generating unrest a la Occupy...and if it ever comes to pass that they lose power, then viola, look at these wonderful tools of autocracy they have available to them to keep their gravy train going...
 
 
+4 # MendoChuck 2014-03-19 17:11
What makes you think that people are not "disappearing" at the present time?
Just because the "Lame Stream Media" does not tell you about them does not mean it is not happening today.

In case you haven't noticed, typing and venting on your keyboard keeps you off the streets.
 
 
0 # Buddha 2014-03-20 10:43
The people disappearing at the present time are the poor and minorities, simple meat for the for-profit gulag machine. In an Autocratic Police State, the people who disappear are the intelligentsia, those who could be a POLITICAL threat to that Police State. At the present time, people aren't disappearing for their political beliefs. Even those arrested during Occupy's crushing were generally given a ticket and let out of jail within 24hrs...in a true Police State, those of us who represented at our local Occupy protests would have never been seen or heard from again when it was crushed. Take a look at history, "Los Desaparecidos" in Argentina's Dirty War numbered upwards of about 30,000 of their citizens who were considered a political or ideological threat to the junta were killed/disappea red in a 7 year period. Anybody who thinks that is going on right now in the USA has their tinfoil hat on too tight. But we should certainly fear that it COULD happen here, we certainly are creating the tools for it.
 
 
0 # brux 2014-03-20 22:12
Perhaps the disappearing people are disappearing in ways that do not register as disappearing because they appear normal, i.e. arrests, accidents, disenfranchisem ent to the extent that they are rendered homeless and without support.???
 
 
0 # brux 2014-03-27 23:16
It costs money to make people disappear, our state is very good with money, and with hiding things under the rug. There is not need to make most people disappear, what we do in our country we do with very cynical and crucial reasons. We put a lot of people in prison to maintain the prison system in case. Most people are in a prison of their, imprisoned by their poverty and disenfranchisem ent.
 
 
+53 # oprichniki 2014-03-18 18:00
Yes, the law enforcement, judicial, and legal system is totally corrupt. See the book "Judicial Deceit" by retired Chief Justice, Elizabeth Weaver, Michigan Supreme Court for starters.
 
 
+7 # Lowflyin Lolana 2014-03-18 19:42
Thanks for the suggestion. Just ordered it.
 
 
+2 # Lowflyin Lolana 2014-03-24 19:10
Want to hear something WEIRD? I DID order it. I KNOW I ordered it. I've been waiting for it in the mail.
I go to Amazon, right? To check and see if it shipped. And, there is no record I even ordered it. None. When I know without a shadow of a doubt that I did. This freaks me out. WTF.
 
 
+1 # Lowflyin Lolana 2014-03-24 19:18
OK, maybe I'm just paranoid. I was positive I ordered this. I mean, it was in my cart, and I bought something else that day as well. But there's no confirmation email in my inbox from the purchase, so somehow it got left off the total and left in my basket. ....Who knows. I'm sure it was my mistake..someho w....computers and I do not always get along.
 
 
+58 # Seadog 2014-03-18 18:15
Everything is for sale, starting with our data and our privacy. This is the pay off of an entire generation raised under Reagan-ism.
 
 
+51 # cordleycoit 2014-03-18 18:17
This is the end of the Republic.
 
 
+4 # ericlipps 2014-03-20 05:03
Quoting cordleycoit:
This is the end of the Republic.

No, the Republic ended years ago. Remember when a Bush administration official announced, "We're an empire now"? Did you think he was kidding?

That was the same guy who introduced us to the idea of the "reality-based community" as something to which his bosses didn't belong.
 
 
+67 # reiverpacific 2014-03-18 18:21
I'm about have my UK passport renewed. It'll be interesting to see if there'll any pushback. There were no former questions as to "Are you, or have you ever been, a Nazi or associated with a Nazi group?" but they were still looking for Communist connections with the same phrase.
They gave me Hell for being a member of the far-left arm of UK Labor Party and the Scottish young Socialist party, vice president of the Edinburgh Socialist Society and President-elect of the Edinburgh College of Art student representative council.
They had records of every detail on my activism, anti-war activities, even what newspapers I read; way more than I could remember.
If I hadn't married my late first American wife, I doubt I'd ever have been issued a green card and these were much more positive "can-do" times unlike this mean-spirited, "conform of perish" era.
So it hasn't really changed much; just become more high tech and dragnet like.
Also, guess which country absorbed and gave sanctuary to some of the worst of the Nazi human experimenters and rocket/nuclear fission scientists, Nuremberg notwithstanding , and helped others to widespread South American safe havens?
I've always felt that there were strong Nazi or heavily Teutonic mores embedded in the very fabric of White US life, in it's tendency towards militarism, military-themed ceremonies and flag-waving, acted-out patriotism and already deeply racist inclinations, fueled by leaders for their own objectives and manipulations
 
 
+27 # Doubter 2014-03-18 19:06
And lots and lots of what I hate the most: AUTHORITARIANISM.
I suppose this includes militarism.
 
 
+11 # NAVYVET 2014-03-18 22:49
I believe you are correct about the heavy Teutonization of U.S. white culture. But where did it come from? It goes far back to the Gothic Germans, who overran all of Europe as Roman culture failed. During my graduate Medieval Studies, I noted the OVERWHELMING domination of Europe by German elites--even the monarchs of Castile. France was Teutonized. Although they kept Latin syntax and Gaulish nasality, and vocabulary from both, the German invaders brought in thousands of German verbs & nouns which replaced Latin ones. Most of Europe inherited German militarism, arrogance and male domination (the latter may be worse today than in the Dark Ages) plus creative energy, often a trait of barbarians. Charlemagne barely spoke Latin and thought in Frankish German. Some of the barbarian institutions led directly to parliaments at all levels, national to village, and to a culture of violence including personal touchiness, rebellions & civil wars throughout the Middle Ages. I find much of that admirable and we probably owe our legal liberties to Medieval German customs, but we also owe most of our faults to them. The bad stuff remained but much of the good stuff came apart during the colonial era. By abandoning Europe to stay-at-homes the colonists brought both the energy and the violence to the conquered territories overseas. From then on, as a very good German, Kurt Vonnegut, used to write, "So it goes. . ."
 
 
+8 # Even 2014-03-19 01:38
A little simplistic your analysis; The "Germanic" invaders were a number of very different groups, to limit it to "Gothic Germans" is presenting a false picture. Vandals, Goths, Ostrogoths, Burgundians, Lombards, Huns, Visigoths, Saxons,Franks, Angles, Alans, Sarmatians etc etc etc. These peoples (and the Celts before them) came from central Asia. Sure, to the Romans they were all Germans but the label is meaningless. "Most of Europe inherited German militarism, arrogance and male domination" Really?!!! So Roman society, not to mention Classical Greek society, was free of "militarism, arrogance and male domination"??? Please!
 
 
+6 # WestWinds 2014-03-19 02:15
"I've always felt that there were strong Nazi or heavily Teutonic mores embedded in the very fabric of White US life, with it's tendency towards militarism, military-themed ceremonies and flag-waving, acted-out patriotism and already deeply racist inclinations, fueled by leaders for their own objectives and manipulations

--- Reiverpacific, you must know that the English monarchy is all German. And that the "five eyes" are all English speaking countries. All the dots are there, but no one seems to want to connect them.
 
 
-4 # John S. Browne 2014-03-19 03:06
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And it's much more than that. It goes back to the Roman Catholic Vatican, which ultimately, behind the curtains behind the curtains... (sic), controls it all; as they long have.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/101658859/1339366

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+2 # reiverpacific 2014-03-19 12:46
Quoting WestWinds:
"I've always felt that there were strong Nazi or heavily Teutonic mores embedded in the very fabric of White US life, with it's tendency towards militarism, military-themed ceremonies and flag-waving, acted-out patriotism and already deeply racist inclinations, fueled by leaders for their own objectives and manipulations


--- Reiverpacific, you must know that the English monarchy is all German. And that the "five eyes" are all English speaking countries. All the dots are there, but no one seems to want to connect them.

Well, they were the exemplars for passing on Imperialism to their successors in their "special relationship". The Tudors are a bit of a joke any more -something to keep the Paparazzi busy, the Tourists gawking and the Southern English Tories in la-la land wishing for the days of "Off with his (or her) head!" and feudalism, not unlike most of those who claim power or access to same in the US these days!
It's all part of a continuing anti-social circle of exclusivity-see king, antithetical to a social species.
 
 
+3 # tref 2014-03-20 11:48
“I've always felt that there were strong Nazi or heavily Teutonic mores embedded in the very fabric of White US life”

If you doubt the truth of this statement, cast your eyes back to the 1940s. The Germans were invading and conquering or co-opting all of Europe save Switzerland and Great Britain. And the United States did nothing.

Then came Pearl Harbor and suddenly, though Japan was over 40% further away from California than was mainland Europe from Washington, DC, suddenly, to protect our Homeland, we needed to round up every Japanese American, throw them into a concentration camp, and seize their possessions while back East, not once in the totality of WWII was it suggested that we round up the German Americans, throw them in concentration camps, and seize all their worldly goods. Even when the famous “beloved” Charles Lindbergh spoke out defending Nazi Germany, even when groups of Nazi sympathizers lobbied successfully to keep the US out of the European theater, still no one proposed restricting the freedoms of the Germanic peoples in our country.

Can you spell hypocrisy?
 
 
-1 # brux 2014-03-20 22:15
A country is not a person, and certainly people, especially back then, did not have full information. Lots of people were wrong, lots of people listened to what the people they admired said and did, and lots of people can stampede into a big wrong mess ... but that does not mean the US has Nazi themes in it ... at least not the part of the US that did not have slavery or kill native Americans. I think you underestimate the ignorance and stupidity of people, even the most powerful people can be totally blind to reality, maybe even especially them.
 
 
+54 # giraffee2012 2014-03-18 18:33
When your state is voting for Congress, you had better vote out those who are in (with few exceptions)

Also, you had better campaign (door to door) for your un super packed candidate bc those funded by the top 1% (Koch, Bill Gates, etc) will vote against YOUR best interests and will fill the airways with false information about the good guys who dare to run against them.

This is NO joke. The aim of the uber rich is to make you so poor and without any assets your grandkids (and probably) kids will live as the poor did in the dark ages (long before the USA was founded) Google those conditions.

Furthermore phone, write, etc to any congress person who now holds office or is elected who does not vote to repeal all laws, etc that allow them to take your privacy, freedoms, etc.

Example; if your state is making it hard for anyone to vote==== YOU WILL BE NEXT

You do not matter to these thugs
 
 
-5 # Sweet Pea 2014-03-19 06:14
Quoting giraffee2012:
When your state is voting for Congress, you had better vote out those who are in (with few exceptions)

Also, you had better campaign (door to door) for your un super packed candidate bc those funded by the top 1% (Koch, Bill Gates, etc) will vote against YOUR best interests and will fill the airways with false information about the good guys who dare to run against them.

This is NO joke. The aim of the uber rich is to make you so poor and without any assets your grandkids (and probably) kids will live as the poor did in the dark ages (long before the USA was founded) Google those conditions.

Furthermore phone, write, etc to any congress person who now holds office or is elected who does not vote to repeal all laws, etc that allow them to take your privacy, freedoms, etc.

Example; if your state is making it hard for anyone to vote==== YOU WILL BE NEXT

You do not matter to these thugs
SO- you are saying that we should just give up and allow our society to be taken over by the wealthy corporations? I have to believe that many of us are aware of it and will rise to demand a stop to it.
 
 
+19 # Vardoz 2014-03-18 19:16
This is horrific news and does not make life in my country a happy thing. Who would have ever thought it would come to this. This will not translate into prosperity or better lives for tens of millions of men, women and children or for future generations. I only wish there was more interest in the looming, catastrophic climate crisis. I only wish all this spying was used to improve life for the majority not to make people feel less safe, and more stressed. This level of abuse of power will hurt people today and for generations to come.
The focus should not be on abuse of power but on the words of our constitution that was meant to create a more perfect union not a nightmare reality. Justice and just laws are the foundation of any civilized nation.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
 
 
+19 # Vardoz 2014-03-18 19:35
Will this mean that all those who are stashing their trillions off shore be held accountable? Will this mean that all the dark money that is being funneled by corporations to pay off reps and take over local governments bent on driving states into poverty to enrich corporations be stopped? Will this mean that Wall St and the trillion dollar military budget have more oversight? Will this reduce the corruption that is rampent in our govt? Will this massive illegal spying be used to supress freedoms and hurt the most vulnerable and the majority? Will this level of spying help our economy? Will it add more regulations of polluters and bankers? Will this level of spying do anything good at all?


The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned Into a War on American Ideals Paperback
 
 
+1 # Sweet Pea 2014-03-19 09:26
Of course not! Anyone who thinks that government works for the interests of the "common people" is living with a blanket over their head. BIG MONEY puts our elected officials in power and collects their rewards after the election. Our only choice is the lesser of two evil.
 
 
-1 # brux 2014-03-19 11:31
That's a bit too cynical ... it's not that the government works against people, it merely works FOR the people, or fake people who pay it and feed it. There are plenty of examples where the government does stuff for people, it's just that there is more pushback and pressure from corporations and the rich. If we could turn that around things would change over time, but now we've gotten into a circumstance where a critical mass of private interest has been reached that is steamrolling over everything else.
 
 
+10 # SageArtisan 2014-03-18 20:30
Those interested in Judicial Deceit here is a Vimeo recording of Justice Elizabeth Weaver about her book. It is an hour and 23 minutes long. I haven't played it yet, but look forward to.

http://vimeo.com/77525362
 
 
+8 # Anarchist 23 2014-03-18 21:00
'Lawful Evil'...not just a 'Dungeons and Dragons' concept anymore...Hitle r did it and this country is doing it. More than ever, the moral question is asked: Which side are you on?
 
 
+24 # Kootenay Coyote 2014-03-18 21:24
‘...they are using that information to prosecute petty crimes such as drugs and taxes....’ & just to nail Binney’s point down: how effectively has NSA hit Wall Street banksters with evidence for their crimes? not only is this totalitarian, but it’s obviously highly selective; = Fascism enthroned.
 
 
+2 # RODNOX 2014-03-18 21:51
and does the NSA sell our info to corporations for marketing purposes ??? actually not so much DO THEY--but when will they ?
 
 
+3 # WestWinds 2014-03-19 02:28
Quoting RODNOX:
and does the NSA sell our info to corporations for marketing purposes ??? actually not so much DO THEY--but when will they ?


--- They sell it to all businesses so when you apply for a job, a credit card, try to purchase from certain merchants, you get denied. I believe they keep an online data base of all "liberals" and when you go for something, they check this and if your name comes up, you don't get ________ fill in the blank. I've had WAY too many experiences that bear this out.
 
 
+5 # DaveM 2014-03-18 22:30
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt." --Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged".
 
 
+3 # WestWinds 2014-03-19 02:32
Quoting DaveM:
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt." --Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged".


--- Yes, and this "restores chaos" as George W. Bush said, and it serves to keep people so confused the REALLY bad guys (like the Wall Street crowd) get to do whatever they want because there is safety in such a cloud of protective dust. Eventually, with all the chaos, people become just too exhausted and desensitized to all the corruption swirling around them to try and do anything about it.
 
 
+2 # tref 2014-03-20 11:27
"Eventually, with all the chaos, people become just too exhausted and desensitized to all the corruption swirling around them to try and do anything about it."

And that is where the vast majority of American citizens are now. It is all so overwhelming that retreating into your living room to watch the latest on TV is so much easier. You can turn a blind eye and deaf ear to the cacophony outside and pretend all is right with the world.
 
 
0 # John S. Browne 2014-03-20 17:43
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But shouldn't you make quite clear for those reading you and interpreting it as perfectly okay, preferable and/or the recommended thing to do, that it is NOT okay to do that?

#
 
 
+5 # John S. Browne 2014-03-19 03:30
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The Hollywood "Atlas Shrugged" movies (Parts 1, 2 and 3 so far?---3 isn't on Netflix yet, so I've only seen 1 and 2) sure didn't bring this out (by design), did they? Yet anyway, if they ever do. Hollywood seems to be "sci-fi-ing" it (is that the way the book is?). The build up to what's really going on behind the scenes is very slow in building up to it, and it doesn't look like it really starts coming out until Part 3 (the last part?). So far, it appears to be a rather benign story (purposely to hide the real, evil truths of the book?). Yep, Ayn Rand sure was a "Hitler", wasn't she? That shadow government of the U.S. and the world is replete with these totalitarian international socialist, corporate-fasci sts. They are the most evil people in the world; and, for being such a minority, they run everything globally, and won't be satisfied until we're all enslaved, "serfdom-ized" and most of us exterminated. Anyone who thinks it's just a coincidence, and isn't intentional, that we're being slowly but surely poisoned and made diseased, or made increasingly susceptible to disease (GMOs, etc.), by the air, food and water, is deluded. NONE OF THIS IS ANY COINCIDENCE.

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+14 # Khidr 2014-03-18 22:36
NSA has always been of the Bankers and by the Bankers which includes AIPAC, MIC,
and Corporate America. They already had economic slaves in us (credit cards, mortagage payments,) lulled to sleep by sex, alchol, violence on Boob Tube. Has anyone noticed if any bankers have been caught & jailed? People we have been screwed, they are in the process of skinning us alive. We live in a canibal country, public agencies are busy fining the public for whatever infractions they can get us. Just last month I had to pay $188.00 for a parking ticket in Tucson Az. The public servants from the President, Congress, Judicary have forgotten that they are public servants and not the masters of the people.
 
 
+8 # WestWinds 2014-03-19 02:37
"The public servants from the President, Congress, Judicary have forgotten that they are public servants and not the masters of the people.

--- They aren't public servants, that's just the myth they allow to circulate. They think of themselves as our ruling class; our nobility; our masters. And who is out there to challenge them and their thinking?
 
 
+1 # skoorb 2014-03-19 06:37
http://www.filmsforaction.org/news/8_reasons_young_americans_dont_fight_back_how_the_us_crushed_youth_resistance/#.Uyki2um13l9.mailto

This link provides most of the reasons. 7 generations ago our congress voted to make education to subdue protest compulsory-- and the results today show how well this has worked. Those who keep their children separated from this system may be our salvation--they and their children-- but there are not enough. The true history of education is well documented by John Taylor Gatto and the history of money by Wm Engdahl. required knowledge for intelligent discourse.
 
 
+1 # Khidr 2014-03-19 12:32
Tried to access this link, it does not exist etc, is the message I got.
 
 
+1 # skoorb 2014-03-23 09:04
Quoting Khidr:
Tried to access this link, it does not exist etc, is the message I got.


you can google that title and find many links. If we fail to stop ending the capacity for hard thinking in our schools, we can never solve these problems. It was on aldernet.
 
 
+1 # Khidr 2014-03-19 12:29
Those of who you have not read Matt Taibbi's article "The Most Devious Scam Yet" on RSN should read this long & informative article.One can make a clear case for NSA & Wall Street being in cahoots. Specially in the light of NSA gathering info on Brazil's oil Co. and German's Siemens Co.
 
 
0 # reiverpacific 2014-03-19 20:56
Quoting Khidr:
Those of who you have not read Matt Taibbi's article "The Most Devious Scam Yet" on RSN should read this long & informative article.One can make a clear case for NSA & Wall Street being in cahoots. Specially in the light of NSA gathering info on Brazil's oil Co. and German's Siemens Co.


Of course NSA and Wall Street are in cahoots -who the Hell d'you think the National Spy Agency works for when all is said and done?
That's how they get the lowdown on how to manipulate what for whom, always in their favor of course and direct the military-corpor ate behemoth accordingly. There ain't no abstract about this except the figures and information they use, so it can be brought to bear in the "Right (in every sense)" cause for their mutual profit.
With the greatest respect for Mr Taibbi (and I WILL check out his article, which I thank you for directing me to) to tell me this -but the details will be fascinating and well worth reading as always, I'm sure.
 

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