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Pilkington and Devereaux report: "The US government has defended its use of drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen and other countries in front of the UN, telling a chamber full of largely critical nations that in President Obama's view the deployment of unmanned aerial attacks against al-Qaida targets was 'necessary, legal and just.'"

The US is taking heat from the UN over drone policy. (photo: USAF)
The US is taking heat from the UN over drone policy. (photo: USAF)


United Nations Berate US Drone Policy

By Ed Pilkington and Ryan Devereaux, Guardian UK

26 October 13

Brazil, China and Venezuela sharply critical of 'illegal' program but US says it has taken steps to introduce new guidelines

he US government has defended its use of drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen and other countries in front of the UN, telling a chamber full of largely critical nations that in President Obama's view the deployment of unmanned aerial attacks against al-Qaida targets was "necessary, legal and just".

Representatives from a slew of nations, including Brazil, China and Venezuela, lined up to berate the Obama administration for its intensive use of drone strikes. But the US delegation told a plenary meeting of the general assembly in the UN building in New York the president had taken steps to introduce new guidance and standards, and to set out the legal rationale for unmanned weapons deployed in the fight against al-Qaida and affiliated threats.

The UN debate marked the first time that member nations have come together to discuss the rapidly expanding militarised use of remotely piloted aircraft and the fraught international legal issues that it raises. It came at the climax of 10 days in which the question of the legality of drones has caught the headlines, with the release of two UN reports that have sharply condemned aspects of the programmes.

The authors of the two reports addressed Friday's UN debate, beginning with Christof Heyns, the UN's special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions. His study warned of the danger of proliferation of the un-piloted weapons among states and terrorist groups.

In his opening remarks to the UN debate, Heyns said "drones are here to stay". He argued that it was hard to make a case that unmanned aircraft were inherently illegal: "It is difficult to suggest that a weapon system is unlawful because a pilot is not on board."

But he added that drones were easy to deploy across international borders, often secretly. "So it is my view that although they are not illegal, they do pose a challenge, particularly as they are used often in secret, raising accountability issues."

The accountability theme was picked up by the second UN expert, Ben Emmerson, the special rapporteur on human rights and counter-terrorism. His ongoing investigation into lethal extra-territorial counter-terrorism operations has concluded that the 33 drone strikes that are known to have caused civilian casualties may have been carried out in violation of international law.

He told the assembled nations that lack of transparency was "the single greatest obstacle to an evaluation of the civilian impact of drone strikes and it's a challenge which makes it extremely difficult to assess claims of precision targeting objectively".

He urged delegates to consider whether an absolute ban was needed on secret deals cooked up between states for engagement in joint military actions.

Emmerson also underlined the state of chaos that exists in international law over drones: "Despite the proliferation of this technology, there remains a lack of consensus among international lawyers and between states on the core legal principles."

He added: "It's not the drone that is the problem. The problem is the lack of clarity under which it is lawful to deploy lethal force by drone."

The UK, one of three countries alongside the US and Israel that have attracted most attention for the use of unmanned assault aircraft, also tried to defend its military deployment of the technology. Emmerson's report points out that the UK government has reported only one incident involving civilian casualties: an RAF strike in March 2011 in Afghanistan in which four civilians were killed.

The UK mission attempted to defend its use of drones in military situations, telling the debate that the weapons systems were controlled by personnel on the ground and were therefore not "autonomous" or robotic � a status which would push them over into illegality in the opinions of most legal experts. The UK has no plans to replace controlled drones with autonomous weapons, the UN was told, while the engagement of unmanned planes within the RAF falls under exactly the same strict military rules as ordinary piloted fighter jets.

But several countries questioned the legality of the weapons. Venezuela called drones "flagrantly illegal" and said that by its accounting, 1,800 people had been casualties � only about 10% of whom were "targeted individuals". "This is like a collective punishment," Venezuela's representative said.

Brazil wondered where the line would be drawn in terms of potential targets for drone strikes. "In certain regions we might have sympathisers of terrorists � does that mean they become 'fair game' just because they sympathise with a particular cause, that they are legitimate targets of drone attacks, for yet another kill? This is uncharted waters."

China, which normally keeps to the sidelines of the most contentious international disputes, was driven to state that drones were a "blank space in international law, and this blank space is subject to abuse � We should respect the principles of UN charters, the sovereignty of states and the legitimate rights of the citizens of all countries."

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-21 # MidwestTom 2011-08-31 21:59
A citizen of NY making $100,000 pays a very high State tax, sat 15%, but then he gets to deduct his state tax before figuring his Federal tax, which he pays on $85,000 in income.

The same person is a state charging 3% state income tax pays his federal taxes on $98,000. A possible higher bracket. The citizen in the low tax state pays considerably more in Federal taxes.

Why should state taxes be deductible for Federal Income taxes? I think to be fair, everyone should pay the some Federal income tax rate, and every state should receive back from the Federal government the same percentage of their contributions.
 
 
+12 # Billy Bob 2011-09-01 05:07
I'm just curious why your example refers to someone making $100,000 a year. Are you refering to yourself?
 
 
+14 # DPM 2011-08-31 22:29
Hey Tom, Does that mean corporations and millionaires, too? Just checking.
Rick Perry=back asswards.
 
 
+14 # giraffee2012 2011-08-31 23:29
I think (feel, want) the United States to split into 2 countries: The blue states = 1 country (i know the borders are problems) and let the red states be another country.

The Red states can have the current Supremes --- especially Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and we can decide on the others.

That is the only way I can see to save Democracy! This article is just one more reason why we, the people, who are not part of the Religious Right, gun-toting whatever, will lose what we believe is a Democratic Society (I think we're actually supposed to be a Republic) - but you get the idea -- can have the Freedom/Democra cy/etc we know CAN work without corporations running the government (thanks to the 2010 Supremes' decision to allow personhood give us "the best government money can buy"


HOW DO WE Accomplish this divide. We are going no place (except to hell) under the red/blue divide in the present United States government.

Vote 2012 -- if you're in a GOP/TP states - register ASAP and get mail-in ballots -- your governor has warned you that Dem districts will be screwed up (and from the past elections only blue ballots have been found in boxes, trunks, etc. NOT COUNTED)
 
 
+3 # WEWINYOULOSE 2011-09-02 11:34
FINALLY!!! SOMEONE WITH SOME COMMON SENSE!!!!
 
 
+23 # ericlipps 2011-09-01 04:08
Ah, yes. So Warren Buffett should pay the same percentage of his income in federal taxes as a waitress at McDonalds.

Even he doesn't agree with that. Mr. Buffett understands that the rich should pay more because they can afford to, and has publicly called for increasing tax rates on the wealthy, including himself.

In the conservative glory days of the 1950s, the top tax rate on income was 91%. It's just over a third of that now.
 
 
+9 # Pickwicky 2011-09-01 16:27
The rich, it should be noted, also use more resources than the poor. Ah, but you say: they pay for them. Actually, many things are not directly paid for: compared to the poor, the rich pummel our roadways and bridges with larger vehicles, pollute our waterways with big boats, our atmosphere with more air travel, and so forth.
 
 
+13 # pgobrien 2011-09-01 06:17
How can we get this into the mainstream press? I'd love to see this on Fox News! Or, at least the New York Times
 
 
+11 # Billy Bob 2011-09-01 07:09
I agree with your last paragraph though, that there shouldn't be ANY tax exemptions or deductions, except from sales tax on food, and personal taxes on utilities.

People should also be taxed a progressively larger percentage from their income, the more they make. To make it as fair as possible, it should be on a sliding scale, rather than in incremental "brackets".

ALL income should be taxable, not just income that was earned from working. There shouldn't be a cap on how much of any source of income is taxable either.
 
 
+5 # fullsock 2011-09-01 07:18
I have seen these statistics before, and my question is: What expenditures are included in "getting money back from the Federal government"? Defense industry, payroll for Federal employees living in each state, welfare, housing and urban development grants, national parks, agriculture subsidies, etc.?
 
 
+14 # fredboy 2011-09-01 07:35
Rick Perry despises the Blue States.
Remember, this is all about hatred and national division. That's what's fueling their movement.
Put simply, they want to cripple our nation.
 
 
-39 # Carolyn 2011-09-01 07:38
Mr Reich would do well to read what Steve Forbes has to say to NewMax today. At last, someone has put his finger on the real problem -- the president. None of the democrats seems to have noticed how weird it all is.
 
 
+32 # GeeRob 2011-09-01 09:07
Forbes sits on the board of The Heritage Foundation. He's as conservative as they come. Forbes hasn't "put his finger" on anyone but the middle class and the poor.
 
 
+18 # dr. labwitch 2011-09-01 12:21
forbes is one of the 2% and wants to keep it that way. of course, to him everything is the president's fault. what he doesn't tell you is that it's president bush's fault! don't hear him griping about the cadre that pulled off the biggest heist of the early 21st century by stealing the entire US treasury does he?

BTW, the repubs HAVE noticed how weird it is? they made it that way! obstructionist misers that want all the $$ because that means power. no it doesn't, all it means is you have all the money and likely got it through thievery.
 
 
+7 # ABen 2011-09-01 14:35
Why any rational person would listen to Steve Forbes is beyond me. If he hadn't inherited wealth and position from his father, he would be penniless.
 
 
+3 # dr. labwitch 2011-09-01 14:40
one question carolyn:

is perry going to part the red sea too? talk to a burning bush? (i get to set the bush on fire!)

oh and the real problem IS forbes and his ilk. you people that read headlines and think you know what your talking about really are annoying.
 
 
-2 # tanis 2011-09-01 08:12
Someone once categorized the U.S. as having 5 areas. New England, Mid-Atlantic, Southwest, Mexamerica, etc. Maybe that's the way the economy needs to be observed instead of 50 states that have to be red or blue or "united".
 
 
+16 # artful 2011-09-01 08:13
Gee, good thing Rick Perry is a moron. Otherwise, he might hate himself for promoting the cause of Blue States.
 
 
+21 # Midwestgeezer 2011-09-01 08:42
And, to add insult to injury, this collection of right-wing "Red" states (remember when that was a terrible name to be called?)include s those low population states who give them effective control of the Senate, enabling them to block ANY progressive reforms in America. Among them many western "he-man" states who like to extoll their rugged two-gun individualism. It turns out that most are on the "gummint" dole. Even "Marshall" Perry used $16,000,000,000 .00 of "gummint" largesse to bail out his own self-sufficient go-it-alone state's fiscal woes. If hypocrisy were painful thay'd all qualify for an unlimited oxycontin prescription.
 
 
+20 # boudreaux 2011-09-01 10:27
I live in TX and cannot stand RIck Perry. I am a democratic and hate the fact that this is a repug state. From all that I hear about Perry, there is no way in hell that I am voting for him, he thinks that he is a prophet and can and will do what he wants if he gets elected, just remember this one thing, NOTHING GOOD COMES OUT OF TEXAS, We have George Bush to thank for that and that alone should strike fear in the heart of voters.....He ain't nothing but a show person who knows nothing about running anything....He is only for show just like Bush was...never forget this...
 
 
+6 # dr. labwitch 2011-09-01 14:42
i was born and raised here. fortunately, for most of my medical education i was out of texas. when i returned i was devastated by the stupidity revolution that took place while i was gone.

texans revere stupidity. they love it and they breed it.
 
 
+6 # jjaaqq 2011-09-01 13:30
Ordinarily I appreciate the information and perspective you provide, Dr. Reich. In this one I'm bothered by your calling Montana a far right state. We have a Democratic governor, and two Democratic senators. That doesn't make us a liberal state as we're quite divided, but then so is the nation.
 
 
+11 # DLT888 2011-09-01 13:45
It's always been that way. The Red states really do run "in the red". For all their bad-mouthing about welfare, THEY are the welfare. And I'm sick of the Blue states bailing them out when they vote like *sses.
 
 
+6 # amye 2011-09-01 14:38
Parry is no closet liberal! He's just not a smart feller! Doesn't know what he's sayin'! Too bad us blue state liberals don't scream about giving to all those red states repubs! But then again we are a more gracious group. Not the petty stuff we keep seeing with that Tea party group!
 
 
-9 # WEWINYOULOSE 2011-09-02 11:26
WOW Robert! What a piece! Piece of superficial crap! This is soo funny! See this is what all liberals do, now pay attention because I'm only going to say it once. Liberals-First they laugh at you, then they try to discret you, then they try to fight you....and FINALLY......TH EY LOSE!!! And that's exactly whats going to happen to Osama #2.
 
 
+4 # chick 2011-09-02 21:24
wewinyoulose: And the Republicans they throw rocks at you, knock you down and steal your money.

Wait until until 2012 you will be surprised what will happen.
 
 
+1 # RenK 2011-09-04 14:10
I believe "pork" has Southernvorigin s when it comes to politics. Add the large manufacturing base of the Blue states and this fiscal skewering makes complete sense to me. As to Obama, some commenters should remember he was elected President, not dictator. When voters elect a Congress dedicated to blocking his every move, they need to blame themselves and not Obama for failures to move on issues this country needs handled.
 
 
0 # VSweet 2011-09-06 07:27
Everyone is not on the mental instability that Rick Perry is trying to feed the nation with.
Division as a Nation is not a good idea. Why allow history to repeat itself? Countless loss of lives, families devestated, etc. when North and South fought against one another.
United we stand because we are the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Do not be deceived citizens of this nation.
 

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